glk4: The earth is 4.5 billion years old, not 6000, life did not start by a
miracle in 6 days. People like us have been around 200,000 years
glk4: There was no Noah flood
glk4: Each geological period evolved different species over millions of years.
Genetic continuity is a law of nature.
glk4: The stories of Gods doing things is not supported by any physical
evidence
glk4: Heaven and hell are not detected. people did not live for hundreds of
years
glk4: Sticks do not turn to snakes
glk4: Spotted branches do not make farm animals be born spotted
glk4: Dead people do not wake up and walk around town
glk4: Stories of a betting session in heaven is fiction
glk4: The fire-breathing Leviathan is not real
glk4: Snakes do not walk or talk
glk4: Cave art dates to 30,000 years old. The first hominids date to about 6
million years old.
glk4: These claim are not supported by any external evidence
glk4: The idea of Adam and Eve is not supported by any science or history
reference
glk4: All animals and people have ancestors going back hundreds of million
years
glk4: The order of events in Genesis is not science, earth before sun stars
and light

Fundamenta: To your first point... Science has changed the estimate of how old
the earth is several dozen times in the last 100 years. This is hardly an exact
science. It is likely to change again in the future, so its meaningless to
proclaim that earth is 4.5 billions years old. That is only the current
estimate.
Fundamenta: To your second point, Noah's flood was a supernatural event and
thus would not be bound by natural law. It should also be pointed out that
with the earth still 2/3rds covered by water it can still be called flooded.
(If 2.3rds of your bedroom was underwater you would call it flooded)
Fundamenta: To your third point, Genetic continuity is the result of DNA. And
DNA being common in all living things is equally evident of a single creator.
Fundamenta: To your fourth point, the existence of Israel today can be called
physical evidence of Gods miracle, as no other nationality has ever been
disolved and reformed like the Jews have.
Fundamenta: To your 5th point
Fundamenta: Heaven and hell are supernatural places therefore cannot be
detected by natural means.
Fundamenta: Except if you want to take the definition of "Hell" literally,
which means, "The grave" in which case you simply need to walk down to your
local graveyard to detect hell.
Fundamenta: To your sixth point, There is evidence that the human race went
through a genetic bottleneck. While scientists have postulated that this was
the result of a super-volcanic eruption, that has never been proven. Besides,
Adam and Eve being perfect creation by God would have had perfect DNA which
would mess up sciences current theories.
Fundamenta: and now since I am running low on time I will address two or three
more subjects
Fundamenta: Fire breathing animals have been common to many folklores (such as
Dragons). And it is known that certain animals can use certain chemical
reactions to produce interesting result. Creating a checmical reactions that
appears like fire could very well be possible.
Fundamenta: Adam and Eve ARE supported by a history reference. Two of them...
The Bible and the Koran.
Fundamenta: And I think I have shown that these arguments do have some answers
to them.
Fundamenta: The Bible is a supernatural book and thus can only be fully
understood using supernatural methodology.
Fundamenta: Looking at the first three Chapters of Genesis and applying known
science, it becomes fairly clear that the creation story is a narrative of
events
Fundamenta: Being a narrative, it would have to have a narrator, and since the
Book of Genesis was not made for several thousands years afterward, the
narrator could not be an actual witness.
Fundamenta: Even at that, all the person could do was best describe what he
saw.
Fundamenta: If you take a look at the creation story, specifically, the first
couple of verses, it becomes fairly clear that what happened would have defied
all known laws of science.
Fundamenta: Concepts like time and space would have been in flux
Fundamenta: Quite frankly, I doubt even if a modern scientist were to
witness this event, he would have the capability to describe it in scientific
detail.
Fundamenta: And Genesis was never meant to be described in scientific detail.
Fundamenta: Its is only meant to set the foundation for how the national of
Israel came to be. To give its backstory if you will.
Fundamenta: It has never been, nor will be a scientific journal of events
Fundamenta: And that goes for the rest of the Bible. The bible is not a
scientific book... its a theological one.
Fundamenta: Its not designed to be an argument for the case of Gods
existance... its designed to help those who already believe.
Fundamenta: All throughout the bible, the bible assumes the existence of God.
Fundamenta: It does not attempt to make an argument for his existence.
Fundamenta: It also assume the existence of the supernatural, and does not
attempt to make an argument for it also
Fundamenta: The bible was designed for those who already take those things for
granted. Not for those who are skeptics.
Fundamenta: Many would say that, "A miracle can save any bible story" as an
argument, but that statement really is true. If the bible is true, then yes,
supernatural miracles DID happen, and they do defy the laws of nature to work
Gods will.
Fundamenta: So to sum up.
Fundamenta: The Bible is a supernatural book, and is only really useful if
used in a supernatural way.
Fundamenta: Using it as a scientific journal to attack its stories is wrong
because it was never meant to be a sciencetific journal. It makes assumptions.
Fundamenta: And finally
Fundamenta: Genesis is a narrative, and needs to be understood in that context.

glk4: If all you can offer is faith claims from a holy book you have offered
nothing but what any religion can claim
glk4: A miracle like the flood would leave world physical evidence. None is
detected anywhere
glk4: The Bible assumptions are contrary to ALL physical evidence all over the
universe
glk4: Assuming a god did things is a faith claim which any religion can offer
glk4: Theology is NOT science. It has its own methods, all based on faith
glk4: Where there is no observer, no report of past events is possible lacking
physical evidence
glk4: The Bible assumes many supernatual things, gods, angels, demons, watchers
cherubim, seraphim, Thrones and powers,
glk4: No satan is detected either
glk4: Scientists discovered the early history of the earth and universe by
observing physical evidence. It is disagrees with Bible stories
glk4: Space and time do not act as you propose
glk4: The Bible writers had no source other than tribal traditions in many of
their stories
glk4: It is a story, as you claimed, not a history
glk4: The fact early geologists had no good age for the earth does not refute
the accuracy of modern science, using atomic dating of many bodies, earth,
moon,
Mars and meteorites
glk4: The fact there is no one true Bible and no one true church but dozens,
hundreds shows the truth of the matter is not known
glk4: As you said a God can do any magic tricks you propose to create any
appearance.
glk4: Hell appears to be more than the grave and spirits of bad dead people
are tortured there by fire
glk4: The origin of cells and DNA 3.5 billion years ago is unknown so a god is
not a suitable explanation for a science mystery
glk4: No animal shoots fire, except in fiction. The beetle shoots hot juice,
not fire
glk4: The water of the earth is 97% in the oceans and they do not go climb
mountains for a year
End of debate