.3711 === Subject: Re: HP35S - Programming Form, e^(z), Re(z), Im(z), 100 Data Memory Utilities. I had an original HP35 - it was not programmable in any > way. I wonder what kind of 'programs' the 35s takes. The first > HP programmable (I also had one of these) was the 45. jrc > ------------------------------- > I've 'published' a few HP35s programs that may be of interest here: > (It is an excel97 sheet - hopefully readable by all.) > The code may not be optimized or maximally commented, but just wanted > to get it out there. > Some notes (which perhaps should be on the page): > The e^z routine [LBL E] is just a simple Taylor Series expansion - > with n in the y register and z in the x register, e^z approximation > mind, but found out to my surprise and pleasure that it works for > complex z input! Thus, this can give you the sine and cos for > imaginary z input. > The Re(z) and Im(z) routines [LBL I] were from one I lifted from the > web - I modifed it slightly to return the real part in x and the > imaginary part in y. > I've decided (somewhat arbitrarily) that 100 data registers (0 > through99) should be plenty for most any application - thus my form > has cells for all 100 in the bottom. > There are a couple utilities to utilize this data block: Clear all > 100, recall and display all 100, store randome data in the data block, > STO(X) and RCL(X) which recall /store the x register based on index > given. > Tomcee- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It was not programmable, but somewhat of a 'supercharged' HP35.. A year or so later, I purchased a HP65 which was the first pocket programmable calculator. You can study and/or peruse the excellent HP Museum for many details. (http://www.hpmuseum.org) TomCee === Subject: MI5 Persecution: Fitted up 26/4/96 (831) === Subject: Re: MI5? Please can someone explain what's going on here? Distribution: : >The (remote) possibility remains that 'Mike Corley' is either : >not schizophrenic (but is 'pretending' to be so) or 'he' is : >a product of a number of persons (?psychology students). : Given other ways in which I have seen people exploit some of The Internet's : capabilities to disrupt or indulge in sophistry, or to exploit a medium : that resembles speech without the non-verbal and intonation cues, etc : as a means of denigrating others, I question your use, albeit in quotes, : of the word remote. I'm not saying it isn't remote and therefore it is : great, I'm just saying that I don't think we can easily classify it as : remote, moderate, or great. I think you can build up quite a good picture based on what someone says and on their posting patterns. I don't think The Internet (capitals, no less) is as opaque a medium as you make it out to be. : It is not easy to determine the validity of all information on The : Internet without making use of extra supplementary information. : We do have the problem, pointed out by someone else, of the possibly : too perfect textbook characteristics of what is being posted. I explained that one, but I don't mind explaining it again (you don't mind having it explained again to you, do you now?). The reason my symptoms are such a perfect fit to the textbook is because the people causing the campaign fitted me up in such a way that what they did would resemble the symptoms of schizophrenia. Hence TV, radio, other media, people in the streets etc. By a fortunate coincidence (for them) these mthods of harassment are the ones which offer easiest channels of access (for them). It's really quite neat. All it takes is for people to start believing that the symptoms aren't symptoms but reality, though, and the house of cards collapses in a heap. And there are _lots_ of people now who knoiw full well what has gone on. : If harrassment by email, etc, has happened by someone out of the country, : can a complaint be made that results in arrest or whatever upon that : person's entry into the country? An interesting point which Mike may be : able to inform us about, as he's said he will be in the UK in a few weeks : time. Picture the scene at the airport; I arrest you for being Mike Corley and mailbombing people But my name isn't Corley. Who he? Mailbombing isn't illegal is it? You'd have to lock up a lot of people if sending annoying email was a crime Er..... : -- : David Stretch: Greenwood Institute of Child Health, Univ. of Leicester, UK. : dds@leicester.ac.uk Phone:+44 (0)116-254-6100 Fax:+44 (0)116-254-4127 : assume they are meant for you. Mike, this is called paranoia. But that's the way real abuse works, too. People interject words and phrases into what they say which they know will have meaning for the listener. And sometimes, they make it obvious. The very first evening of my job in Oxford, we went for a drink with the technical director, and a couple of other employees. The TD said in an as-if aside to one of the others, Is this the bloke who's been on TV? (he said it directly in front of me, and obviously meant mke to hear him saying it). The other person replied, Yes, I think so. I think the subtext of what the TD said was Why are they bothering with him? He's so insignificant, why would they possibly want to spend the resources going after him and putting all that expensive technology in his home, when there must be much better targets?. The Technical Director was given to sometimes disrespecting people, you see, and in my case he couldn't see the point of anyone expending money on harassing me. === Subject: Re: Treatment of Schizophrenia Distribution: : Probably 'cos you come across as reasoned & articulate, it's a pity : about the other stuff :) Veracity is so unreasonable. : >>pps. You should still see a doc again Mike. : > : >Doing so. Trouble is, all this mental-illness stuff provides camouflage : >for the harassment, which is real. It alows people who otherwise would : >consider the harassment seriously to disregard it. It makes conversations : >with a lawyer or police brief when otherwise it would merit discussion. : The point is that there are two possibilities happening here- : 1. There's a large conspiracy of people out to get you, for no : other reason than that they have the means to do so, and that : it involves a lot of the Media & a proportion of the public : 2. You (who admit to having some headspace problems) are suffering : from acute paranoid schizophrenia. : Possibility #1 is _possible_, but would be unprecendented (OTOH, : how would we know?), unfeasible, and many other things beginning : with _un_ which I can't think of at the moment. Besides, if there : was something going on, chances are some of us here would know : about it, and I'm convinced that nobody does. Unprecedented hits the nail on the head. It _is_ unprecedented, but we have only just reached the technical stage at which it is feasible, and we know video-spying is done to other people (NB the Diana-Hewitt episode) and is a routine tool of security agencies. Perhaps what is unprecedented is not the technical side, but the social manipulation of many people by a concealed element in what other countries would be called the secret police. The most disturbing element is the degree to which people allow themselves to be unquestioningly manipulated by an evil element within the state. 831 -- ------->>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access === Subject: Re: Calculator defined > Manjo, what you described is the Lua VM!! You almost copied its > manual, haha! The only difference is that you like it with Python > syntax, but the functionality is exactly as you described it below... Realy ? wow... that would be wonderful, especialy if VM was flexible enough so the copiler could be modified for various sytaxes. anyway in lack of other laguages i hope lua will do just fine. Reason why python cought my attention is that there is Python for ARM based WinCE also there are versions for Linux and OS so... it seams it could be setup to run on decent framework acting as hardware driver/OS. It has interactive mode which is just the thing for user interface, last but not least built in command reference help is good thinking on python creators's side. If i was more familiar with it Lua maybe it would be my first choice as well. (therefore spending few hours to get to know lua might be few hours well spent) Of course when you write about user interface and doing math in calculator we agree -stack more than nice (native to all HP users). But when it comes to writing programs, RPL seams upside-down for many HP newcommers or people learning to become programmers :-) (from programmers point of view) ...sounds interesting, and if Lua VM is powerfull and flexible adding other syntaxes is a matter of writing alternative compiler/interpreter. which should also be feasible but again if lua proves to be not to hard to understand maybe we all get to like Lua so much we would not bother at all. However, ability to change the compiler or interpreter(shell/user interface) is a must, the way i see it at least for two reasons : a) great flexibility (even RPL compiler could be possible -that way great deal of programs could be re-compiled from original RPL sources both system and user RPL) b) the story would become truy neverending, various languages, modules etc.. BUT compiled for VM (distributed as binary) they would all run the same way on all devices no matter which language of preferance you have setup on your device :-) manjo === Subject: Re: Calculator defined <33v3c3thnc2biivlihnhp4hmmfs9uk2cfj@4ax.com> <46c22c38$0$30368$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> Manjo, what you described is the Lua VM!! You almost copied its > manual, haha! The only difference is that you like it with Python > syntax, but the functionality is exactly as you described it below... Realy ? Yes. For real. <... Of course when you write about user interface and doing math in calculator > we agree -stack more than nice (native to all HP users). > But when it comes to writing programs, RPL seams upside-down for many > HP newcommers or people learning to become programmers :-) > (from programmers point of view) And we agree again. That's exactly what I'm thinking, you can have a stack to interact with the calculator and launch programs, and a ' forward syntax' scripting language. The VM's API has a stack to store values and run code, which is very convenient for the calculator, but on the other end the language couldn't be more different than RPL. It's a sort of BASIC, but more powerful and at the same time simpler. <... However, ability to change the compiler or interpreter(shell/user interface) > is a must, Here we disagree. I prefer one light VM optimized to run one simple language rather than a fat and slow VM that can run several languages with complex syntax. If you want several languages, then we need gcc and all its frontends and forget about a VM and run in the real thing. The project needs to be manageable by a few people, if the project grows too big it won't get done. Claudio === Subject: Re: Calculator defined > However, ability to change the compiler or interpreter(shell/user interface) > is a must, Here we disagree. I prefer one light VM optimized to run one simple > language rather than a fat and slow VM that can run several languages > with complex syntax. > If you want several languages, then we need gcc and all its frontends > and forget about a VM and run in the real thing. > The project needs to be manageable by a few people, if the project > grows too big it won't get done. > Ok, i spent few hours reading about Lua, as it seams Lua runs by interpreting bytecode for a register-based virtual machine so i immagine it's more like a virtual processor so i belive it would be feasible to implement other syntaxes to VM. like i said it's just a matter of compiler, anyway, Lua alone would be refreshing enough, with time (if there would be interest for it) other sytaxes may be introduced. There is lua for Linux, Windows, WinCE, Symbian, BREW etc... so platform independent programs could run on PDA, PC, Network server as well as on our calculators *very nice* Again even if there was only Lua syntax available it would be a great refreshment, *and* since RPL is simple language it may be possible to compile system and user RPL (without Saturn assembly) to Lua byte code. (of course this is a long-shot wild guess but... never say never !) manjo === Subject: Re: Calculator defined <33v3c3thnc2biivlihnhp4hmmfs9uk2cfj@4ax.com> <46c22c38$0$30368$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <46C65A0A.8020505@nyet.nyet Your hot swapper would be more general, > but don't entirely forget ARCHIVE/RESTORE, > of the current, limited, built-in environment > (small programs can also manage libraries in ports 0 and 1, > up to 256K more in 49G or 128K more in 49G+/50G/etc.) -- ARCHIVE/RESTORE can save your variables, but they don't save the emulator status, including the stack, screen, etc. and also Port1. A hot-swapper has to be... well... hot! The SD card data transfer rate is about 900 kbytes/sec, so 512kbytes should take about 0.6 seconds. A Full swap (saving the curent state, and loading another one) can take 1.5 seconds. The idea is to have a hot-key that can allow you to switch calculator environments on the fly. ARCHIVE/RESTORE are much slower than 1.5 seconds. Hot swapping with a hotkey is like having several calculators all running at the same time, you just switch from one stack to the other instantly. That's the whole idea. === Subject: Re: TED and 30 Columns > I'm writing the user's guide only for Spanish language, sorry. Your second language is *much* better than my second language. Like many Canadians, I speak 1 1/2 languages - English and very poor French. :-) OK, I volunteer to write the English docs for TED49, including a 33- column condensed version that you can put on the calculator. Bill === Subject: Re: My SysRPL Problem P.S. I've read as many of the SysRPL docs as I can find, but I find > most tend to skip over what I would consider to be the basics. Very > steep learning curve this SysRPL. :) > I usually do that as well but find that it always lands me in trouble. For instance I know C, I know Java, I skipped the basics in C++ thinking I know enough and I have never been able to do much at all in thins language... Arnaud === Subject: Re: HP 35s Programmable??? Original 35 was not. jrc meinte >It's interesting reading about the HP 35s which is (or is not) >now on the market - especially the comments about writing >'programs' for it. This must be a major upgrade for the original 35, which was >not programmable in any way. Many of us original '35 owners, >who paid $399 for an Hp-35, were abashed, then bought, the >new HP-45 which came out shortly after. The '45 was the first >programmable HP handheld, and used labels much as the 35s >'programs' suggest. The HP-45 was originally priced at $399. The '35 dropped to >$299 when the '45 came out. Some of us were able to get >'45's for a discount. Then mine was stolen. I have an HP45 here. Not at all programmable. === Subject: Re: HP 35s Programmable??? Original 35 was not. Well, maybe my memory IS bad (no, it is, no question...) I bought a 45, entranced by the hoopla around the 'gold key' - but only had it a few months. It was stolen soon after. I did get it at a discount 'under the table' where I worked - a large aerospace firm in Seattle (hint) :). So if it too was not programmable, what was the 'gold key' for? I did have a 65 - and a 67. It is possible that the 65 was indeed the first programmable What is certain is that the 35 was not. jrc > jrc meinte > It's interesting reading about the HP 35s which is (or is not) >> now on the market - especially the comments about writing >> 'programs' for it. >> This must be a major upgrade for the original 35, which was >> not programmable in any way. Many of us original '35 owners, >> who paid $399 for an Hp-35, were abashed, then bought, the >> new HP-45 which came out shortly after. The '45 was the first >> programmable HP handheld, and used labels much as the 35s >> 'programs' suggest. >> The HP-45 was originally priced at $399. The '35 dropped to >> $299 when the '45 came out. Some of us were able to get >> '45's for a discount. Then mine was stolen. I have an HP45 here. Not at all programmable. > === Subject: Re: HP 35s Programmable??? Original 35 was not. <13chclrk9obl804@corp.supernews.com Well, maybe my memory IS bad (no, it is, no question...) I bought a 45, entranced by the hoopla around the 'gold > key' - but only had it a few months. It was stolen soon > after. I did get it at a discount 'under the table' > where I worked - a large aerospace firm in Seattle (hint) > :). So if it too was not programmable, what was the 'gold key' > for? I did have a 65 - and a 67. It is possible that the 65 was > indeed the first programmable What is certain is that the 35 was not. jrc > jrc meinte >> It's interesting reading about the HP 35s which is (or is not) >> now on the market - especially the comments about writing >> 'programs' for it. >> This must be a major upgrade for the original 35, which was >> not programmable in any way. Many of us original '35 owners, >> who paid $399 for an Hp-35, were abashed, then bought, the >> new HP-45 which came out shortly after. The '45 was the first >> programmable HP handheld, and used labels much as the 35s >> 'programs' suggest. >> The HP-45 was originally priced at $399. The '35 dropped to >> $299 when the '45 came out. Some of us were able to get >> '45's for a discount. Then mine was stolen. > I have an HP45 here. Not at all programmable. > - Show quoted text - The gold key on the HP 45 was a shift key that gave access to the many additional functions the HP 45 had without requiring a larger or more densly crowded keyboard area. The 35 had only 3 dual function keys, the trig functions. Inverses were accessed by first pressing the Arc key. 24 of the 35 keys on the HP 45 had a secondary function available, accessed by the gold shift key. Here is the link to a photo of the 45 clearly showing the functions available. The ones printed in yellow above the keys are accessed with the gold shift key. http://www.hpmuseum.org/45.jpg Rich W === Subject: Re: HP 35s Programmable??? Original 35 was not. > Per my memory, and the HP museum site, the HP65 was the first > programmable HP calculator, for $695. Actually it was $795 :-) Yes, the HP-65 was the first HP programmable handheld. Brian Walsh === Subject: Re: new 50g user, seeking advice... ellyu...@gmail.com ha scritto: > hi everyone, Hi elly! > can anyone teach me how to run it on my emulator and > also my calculator if it arrives? > Generally speaking, if you run the emulator and then you get the file you want to install in another directory (of course *not* the .zip but the hp program file or library that is contained), you just have to drag-and-drop the program file from the directory to the screen of the emulator. You'll get then *something* on the emulator's screen, that could be EITHER a library number - for example: 1: Library 1625: Nosy... and, in this case, you'll have to STOre the library into a memory port (for example no. 2, enough stable even when all batteries are drained and some mess is done on the calc ;-) by doing: :2:1625 [ENTER] [STO] then perform a warmstart by pressing [ON]+[F3] to attach the lib, that will be found in the LIB menu ([RIGHT SHIFT] [2]) and activated by pressing the corrsponding soft-key OR a *real* program listing on the screen /this is the case of your rcdesign101 prog) - now you just need to STOre it into a variable, say RS, by doing: 'RS' [ENTER] [STO] You'll want to press the [VAR] key and then the brand new RS created var to get the program running. > i tried to use the debug4x program, made use of its emu48 because the > ROM file of the 50g is already included in it and i cant seem to find > the proper ROM to use anywhere in the net. am i doing this right? > please help me. > I can reassure you that the Debug4x package contains the ROM you need - please just check for a file of the .E49 type By the way, you may also want to try the EDUCalc all-in-1 packages: http://www.educalc.net/881486.page or http://www.educalc.net/2140088.page > since i am a beginner in using high powered calculators, can you guys > also advice me where to start learning, where to find the materials > and maybe the techniques you used. im interested in learning things > that will be of use to my field of study, im a senior university > student taking up civil engineering, hoping to specialize in > structural eingineering. > Well, for a quite thorough list, please have a look at this post of mine on another forum (and please excuse my immodest self-quoting :-) http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizsupport/questionanswer.do?threa dId=1149396 Very briefly, I'd suggest you start from the HP tutorials page: http://h20331.www2.hp.com/Hpsub/cache/383680-0-0-225-121.html and try a couple of further references: www.hpcal.org (an unparalleled wealth of software and documents) http://www.hpcalc.org/hp49/docs/misc/hptute.zip (Various Quick tutorials for the HP49x series of calculators. Broken up into 5 sections, ranging from getting started for new users (flags, data entry etc), to basic macros with user RPL and customizing menus and the keyboard. In HTML, lots of screenshots (with both the 49G and G+). By Alistair Borowski). > thank you for the help in advance. hope to hear from you all. > Hope this helps. Giancarlo === Subject: Re: new 50g user, seeking advice... thank you very much giancarlo...this is such a great help. i tried to run the rcdesign program in the emulator i had, i chose the 50g version of the kml script. i tried to do your instructions exactly as you've stated it. the storing of the program worked fine but when you run the program it says: get error: bad argument value. does this mean that the program is not compatible with the 50g? or just not compatible with the emulator i am using? thank you in advance. i am now checking out you post no hp's site, it sure is a lot of information. and it really will help in the journey i will be having with my caluclator, thanx a lot! elly === Subject: Re: new 50g user, seeking advice... > thank you very much giancarlo...this is such a great help. You're welcome! I'm really glad I could be of some help :-) > ... but when > you run the program it says: get error: bad argument value. does > this mean that the program is not compatible with the 50g? or just not > compatible with the emulator i am using? thank you in advance. I simply think that the program (which I did not test also because I'm not that expert about the matter ;-) does not gets the expected type of input. I suggest you read the Word document which is provided with the software and see if you can find there some hints. Last, but not least, why don't you think about contacting the author of the software at the following addresses: anacionales@insightts.net acnacionales@yahoo.com Hope this helps and enjoy your journey. Giancarlo === Subject: Re: new 50g user, seeking advice... On Aug 20, 8:35 pm, Giancarlo thank you very much giancarlo...this is such a great help. You're welcome! I'm really glad I could be of some help :-) > ... but when > you run the program it says: get error: bad argument value. does > this mean that the program is not compatible with the 50g? or just not > compatible with the emulator i am using? thank you in advance. I simply think that the program (which I did not test also because I'm > not that expert about the matter ;-) does not gets the expected type > of input. > I suggest you read the Word document which is provided with the > software and see if you can find there some hints. > Last, but not least, why don't you think about contacting the author > of the software at the following addresses: > anaciona...@insightts.net > acnaciona...@yahoo.com Hope this helps and enjoy your journey. > Giancarlo do you think that the program will work in the calculator rather than the ROM or, its the same and still wont work on the calculator? that are ASCII. it only runs binary format. i have tried other programs and they seem to work nicely. thanx again. elly === Subject: Re: new 50g user, seeking advice... > do you think that the program will work in the calculator rather than > the ROM or, its the same and still wont work on the calculator? > that are ASCII. it only runs binary format. i have tried other > programs and they seem to work nicely. When human-readable (ascii) program files are transferred to a real calc using file-transfer (cable) software, they are automatically translated and compiled on the calculator, becoming binary internal objects. If you drop the files on the emulator stack or bring to a calculator on an SD card, the text strings can be compiled using the STR-> or OBJ-> command, but often they first need a bit of translation to replace -> (three characters) by the single 8-bit character representing right arrow, and similarly for << and >> and all the other representations of 8-bit characters using 7-bit character sequences. The calculator has internal functions to do that, but you need a small program to invoke those internal functions manually; you can also do that first on a PC. The emulator will run virtually everything the same as on the calculator, except for programs written to use the internal ARM processor (bypassing the HP operating system) which thus far you are not using. Character translation on PC: http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=3671 http://www.hpcalc.org/hp48/pc/emulators/hpbinasc.zip Or on calculator or emulator: [r->] [OFF] === Subject: Few questions about HP 50g I'm a newbie with this calculator but I noticed some strange behaviour : 1. ILAP ain't working properly. When searching for ILAP(Kc/(S+1)^2) I get a wrong result.If I do LAP(result) I get Kc/(S+1), and than ILAP again the same result. Why?! 2. When I type ^2 , I get SQ(...) , rather than something (....)^2 ?? 3. When I type PR1 I don't get expected : 1: PR1 .... actually I don't get anything. I tried even 'PR1' but it reported error?! Any clues to these mysteries?? === Subject: Re: Few questions about HP 50g > I'm a newbie with this calculator but I noticed some strange > behaviour : 1. ILAP ain't working properly. When searching for ILAP(Kc/(S+1)^2) I > get a wrong result.If I do LAP(result) I get Kc/(S+1), and than ILAP > again the same result. Why?! 2. When I type ^2 , I get SQ(...) , rather than something (....)^2 ?? 3. When I type PR1 I don't get expected : 1: PR1 .... actually > I don't get anything. I tried even 'PR1' but it reported error?! Any clues to these mysteries?? Hi articavenger. As far as your 3rd question goes, even though it's not fully clear to me, here follows what the 49G+ Advanced User's Reference Manual says about the PR1 command: PR1 Type: Command Description: Print Level 1 Command: Prints an object in multiline printer format. All objects except strings are printed with their identifying delimiters. Strings are printed without the leading and trailing delimiters. Multiline printer format is similar to multiline display format, with the following exceptions: - Strings and names that are more than 24 characters long are continued on the next printer line. - The real and imaginary parts of complex numbers are printed on separate lines if they don't fit on the same line. - Grobs are printed graphically. - Arrays are printed with a numbered heading for each row and with a column number before each element. For example, the 2 ? 3 array 1 2 3 4 5 6 would be printed as follows: Array (2 3) Row 1 1] 1 2] 2 3] 3 Row 2 1] 4 2] 5 3] 6 Access: [RIGHT SHIFT][CAT][PR1] Flags: I/O Device (-33), Printing Device (-34), Double-spaced Printing (-37), Linefeed (-38). If flag -34 is set, flag -33 must be clear. Input/Output: Lev.1/Arg.1 Lev.1/Item 1 object object Hope this helps. Giancarlo === Subject: Re: Few questions about HP 50g > I'm a newbie with this calculator but I noticed some strange > behaviour : 1. ILAP ain't working properly. When searching for ILAP(Kc/(S+1)^2) I > get a wrong result.If I do LAP(result) I get Kc/(S+1), and than ILAP > again the same result. Why?! 2. When I type ^2 , I get SQ(...) , rather than something (....)^2 ?? 3. When I type PR1 I don't get expected : 1: PR1 .... actually > I don't get anything. I tried even 'PR1' but it reported error?! Any clues to these mysteries?? Are you in Algebraic or RPN??? === Subject: Re: Few questions about HP 50g > I'm a newbie with this calculator but I noticed some strange > behaviour : > 1. ILAP ain't working properly. When searching for ILAP(Kc/(S+1)^2) I > get a wrong result.If I do LAP(result) I get Kc/(S+1), and than ILAP > again the same result. Why?! > 2. When I type ^2 , I get SQ(...) , rather than something (....)^2 ?? > 3. When I type PR1 I don't get expected : 1: PR1 .... actually > I don't get anything. I tried even 'PR1' but it reported error?! > Any clues to these mysteries?? Are you in Algebraic or RPN??? ILAP error is just becouse this function works respect to the default independent variable X... in your case the calc is assuming the function as a constant... SQ means to say Squared... SQ = 2 ^ I dont understand very good the third question... could you please make it again... Hope it helps... === Subject: Re: Few questions about HP 50g If you get SQ(anything) and press EVAL again then you will get it in terms of anything^2. I will try to look into the third question tomorrow. === Subject: Re: HP graphing calculator power consumption What impress me more is that the Flash Read and Write cosumes MORE power (the maximum) than Read and Write in the SD card ? ! ! ! ! So I should run all the programs from the SD insted of the Flash, and install all libs on port 1 (not Flash) to be more power effective. I?ll try it. Daniel Calculator 50G 50G 49G+ 49G+ 49G 48GX 48GX 48GX > # of cards 0 1 0 1 0 0 1 2 > ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- > Write flash 90.0 95.2 74.0 73.4 24.5 n/a n/a n/a > Read flash 77.0 82.0 63.6 67.7 24.5 n/a n/a n/a > Write SD n/a 72.0 n/a 68.0 n/a n/a n/a n/a > Read SD n/a 72.0 n/a 68.0 n/a n/a n/a n/a === Subject: Re: HP graphing calculator power consumption the storage space on an SD card is also Flash... The high values for internal Flash access can indicate either a higher access speed than to external Flash, or the built-in Flash chips aren't optimized for low power Also note the significant difference between the FHB (49g) and the ARM-based machines calcs are major energy-wasters, compared to the FHB (49g) or the real HP-48 machines. Raymond Due.96o de Monte schrieb im Newsbeitrag What impress me more is that the Flash Read and Write cosumes MORE power (the maximum) than Read and Write in the SD card ? ! ! ! ! So I should run all the programs from the SD insted of the Flash, and install all libs on port 1 (not Flash) to be more power effective. IĞll try it. Daniel Calculator 50G 50G 49G+ 49G+ 49G 48GX 48GX > 48GX > # of cards 0 1 0 1 0 0 1 > 2 > ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- > Write flash 90.0 95.2 74.0 73.4 24.5 n/a n/a > n/a > Read flash 77.0 82.0 63.6 67.7 24.5 n/a n/a > n/a > Write SD n/a 72.0 n/a 68.0 n/a n/a n/a > n/a > Read SD n/a 72.0 n/a 68.0 n/a n/a n/a > n/a === Subject: Re: HP graphing calculator power consumption the storage space on an SD card is also Flash... > The high values for internal Flash access can indicate either > a higher access speed than to external Flash, > or the built-in Flash chips aren't optimized for low power Also note the significant difference between the FHB (49g) > and the ARM-based machines calcs are major energy-wasters, > compared to the FHB (49g) or the real HP-48 machines. Raymond Yes I notice the ARM machine consumes much more, but it worth it, the speed in calculus in between my HP48S (Saturn 2-4 Mhz) and the HP49g+/ 50g (+75 Mhz) is huge. I?ll pay for this ! Storage is what now confuse me ! Internal Flash should me more efficient than SD, but is a little bit the opposite, based on Eric measurements. So a little more research should be done here, and I will try a little bit on it. Now I move all the programs to SD, and will test the battery consume (BatStatus application). On first impressi?n do not notice any execution time difference on must of aplications used (I have a 2 Gb SD card now) and the start up time is just the same it was (really short). So, will tell you in few days if notice any change. Daniel === Subject: Re: HP graphing calculator power consumption > What impress me more is that the Flash Read and Write cosumes MORE > power (the maximum) than Read and Write in the SD card ? ! ! ! ! So I should run all the programs from the SD insted of the Flash, and > install all libs on port 1 (not Flash) to be more power effective. I?ll try it. Daniel > Calculator 50G 50G 49G+ 49G+ 49G 48GX 48GX 48GX > # of cards 0 1 0 1 0 0 1 2 > ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- > Write flash 90.0 95.2 74.0 73.4 24.5 n/a n/a n/a > Read flash 77.0 82.0 63.6 67.7 24.5 n/a n/a n/a > Write SD n/a 72.0 n/a 68.0 n/a n/a n/a n/a > Read SD n/a 72.0 n/a 68.0 n/a n/a n/a n/a- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Daniel; Let us know the results as running from SD memory may slow down operations due to reading speed. Also I note that the power on time is greater with a large SD card installed so you might try running speed with various sizes of SD cards to see if there is any noticeable difference. Rich W === Subject: Re: HP graphing calculator power consumption > I have measured the current draw of various HP graphing calculators > in order to get some idea of how power consumption has changed over > the years. Going from the 48GX of 1993 to the 50G of 2006 shows > about four times as much (300% more) power used. The most surprising thing I determined is that the 50G consumes > significantly more power than the 49G+. Not only does the 50G have > one more battery, but it also manages to draw more current, resulting > in an effective 40-50% greater use of power. I do not have any > explanation for the increase. All measurements were made by measuring the voltage across a 10.0 ohm > resistor in series with the batteries and calculating the current > draw from that. This means that the higher values may be off by a > bit, but the numbers should be accurate for the most part. An Extech > multimeter, obtained at Radio Shack, was used for the measurements. > I repeated a few of the measurements with a nice Fluke multimeter, > and the results were approximately the same, so the Extech can be > trusted. All tests were done with fresh batteries to ensure consistency. Tests for each model were done using the first calculator I found > lying around. Tests on subsequent examples showed differences from > unit to unit in the 5-10% range, so more accurate results could be > made by measuring several calculators and averaging them. All figures below are measurements of current in milliamps. For > power consumption, multiply by 6.0 volts on the 50G and 4.5 volts > on all other models. Calculator 50G 50G 49G+ 49G+ 49G 48GX 48GX 48GX > # of cards 0 1 0 1 0 0 1 2 > ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- > Idle 15.5 14.9 13.9 12.5 6.9 4.9 5.3 6.0 > Blinking 18.8 18.2 16.9 15.6 9.5 8.6 9.0 10.0 > Plotting 74.4 79.5 69.3 73.3 20.5 23.2 23.8 25.3 > Transmit Serial 89.2 93.1 n/a n/a 21.6 24.3 25.0 26.3 > Transmit USB 86.1 89.9 70.4 74.7 n/a n/a n/a n/a > Transmit IR 88.5 92.0 74.1 78.3 n/a 24.3 25.0 26.3 > Open I/O Serial 30.7 34.9 n/a n/a 7.4 5.3 5.8 6.4 > Open I/O USB 27.7 31.8 25.6 29.8 n/a n/a n/a n/a > Open I/O IR 31.0 35.2 29.9 34.1 n/a 4.9 5.3 6.0 > Beep 1 kHz 79.5 83.5 62.7 62.0 21.9 23.6 24.5 25.0 > Write flash 90.0 95.2 74.0 73.4 24.5 n/a n/a n/a > Read flash 77.0 82.0 63.6 67.7 24.5 n/a n/a n/a > Write SD n/a 72.0 n/a 68.0 n/a n/a n/a n/a > Read SD n/a 72.0 n/a 68.0 n/a n/a n/a n/a > Off 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.1 0.8 0: Zero cards installed > 1: 128 KB HP (or 128 MB Sandisk) card in slot 1 > 2: 128 KB HP card in slot 1 and 1 MB HP card in slot 2 Running the Meta Kernel on the 48GX drops blinking power from 9 mA > to 5.4 mA with only the 128 KB card installed and from 10 mA to 6.1 mA > with both cards installed. When the IrDA port is open, the 50G and 49G+ briefly show an increase > of about 5 mA about every 5 seconds. Data transmission tests were performed with no cable connected (for > USB and serial) or no device in range (for infrared). > Eric Rechlin - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > Eric; certainly raises some interesting questions regarding the reasons for the high power drain of the 50G. Is HP entering the battery business? ;-) It is certainly obvious that the 49G+ and 50G are power hogs compared to the earlier units. Rich W === Subject: Firmware Update 49G+ I have one of these calculators, which has always been a bit dodgy for me. In an attempt to alleviate some of the issues I updated the firmware to HP49-B Revision #2.05-4. This version made quite a large improvement, especially in battery life. Recently I purchased a 50G (I have a hard time resisting HP Calcs) and as part of this decided to upgrade the ROM to the latest on the HP site. I tried the connectivity kit (no joy) and using an SD card. The SD card worked and now my 50G reports version HP50-C Revision #2.09 I also saw that this firmware should work on my 49G+, so I tried loading it without any luck; I get an error partway through the update. Is there a known problem with the newer firmware and the 49G+? Is maybe there a different intermediate firmeware that I need to use before loading 2.09 or whatever else is current to the 49G+?? -- Quis corriget ipsos correctores? === Subject: Re: Firmware Update 49G+ > I also saw that this firmware should work on my 49G+, so I tried loading > it without any luck; I get an error partway through the update. Is there a > known problem with the newer firmware and the 49G+? Is maybe there a > different intermediate firmeware that I need to use before loading 2.09 or > whatever else is current to the 49G+?? did you use the Same SD-Card as for the 50Gs update or did you use another one? Be aware (and make sure that is), that the file-system on the card *must* be FAT, *not* FAT32! Volker -- Im .9fbrigen bin ich der meinung, dass TCPA/TCG verhindert werden muss === Subject: Re: Firmware Update 49G+ On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:22:40 +0200, Volker Neurath, during a pipe dream babbled: > I also saw that this firmware should work on my 49G+, so I tried loading >> it without any luck; I get an error partway through the update. Is there >> a known problem with the newer firmware and the 49G+? Is maybe there a >> different intermediate firmeware that I need to use before loading 2.09 >> or whatever else is current to the 49G+?? did you use the Same SD-Card as for the 50Gs update or did you use another > one? Be aware (and make sure that is), that the file-system on the card *must* > be FAT, *not* FAT32! AHA! Yes, that was the problem. THANKS! -- Quis corriget ipsos correctores? === Subject: Re: Firmware Update 49G+ > I have one of these calculators, which has always been a bit dodgy for me. > In an attempt to alleviate some of the issues I updated the firmware to > HP49-B Revision #2.05-4. This version made quite a large improvement, > especially in battery life. Recently I purchased a 50G (I have a hard time resisting HP Calcs) and as > part of this decided to upgrade the ROM to the latest on the HP site. I > tried the connectivity kit (no joy) and using an SD card. The SD card > worked and now my 50G reports version HP50-C Revision #2.09 I also saw that this firmware should work on my 49G+, so I tried loading > it without any luck; I get an error partway through the update. Is there a > known problem with the newer firmware and the 49G+? Is maybe there a > different intermediate firmeware that I need to use before loading 2.09 or > whatever else is current to the 49G+?? -- > Quis corriget ipsos correctores? There would not be any problem becouse 50g ROM 2.09 have been updated later in the 49g+ without problems... maybe the problem is about connectivity... === Subject: MI5 Persecution: Fitted up 26/4/96 (831) === Subject: Re: MI5? Please can someone explain what's going on here? Distribution: : >The (remote) possibility remains that 'Mike Corley' is either : >not schizophrenic (but is 'pretending' to be so) or 'he' is : >a product of a number of persons (?psychology students). : Given other ways in which I have seen people exploit some of The Internet's : capabilities to disrupt or indulge in sophistry, or to exploit a medium : that resembles speech without the non-verbal and intonation cues, etc : as a means of denigrating others, I question your use, albeit in quotes, : of the word remote. I'm not saying it isn't remote and therefore it is : great, I'm just saying that I don't think we can easily classify it as : remote, moderate, or great. I think you can build up quite a good picture based on what someone says and on their posting patterns. I don't think The Internet (capitals, no less) is as opaque a medium as you make it out to be. : It is not easy to determine the validity of all information on The : Internet without making use of extra supplementary information. : We do have the problem, pointed out by someone else, of the possibly : too perfect textbook characteristics of what is being posted. I explained that one, but I don't mind explaining it again (you don't mind having it explained again to you, do you now?). The reason my symptoms are such a perfect fit to the textbook is because the people causing the campaign fitted me up in such a way that what they did would resemble the symptoms of schizophrenia. Hence TV, radio, other media, people in the streets etc. By a fortunate coincidence (for them) these mthods of harassment are the ones which offer easiest channels of access (for them). It's really quite neat. All it takes is for people to start believing that the symptoms aren't symptoms but reality, though, and the house of cards collapses in a heap. And there are _lots_ of people now who knoiw full well what has gone on. : If harrassment by email, etc, has happened by someone out of the country, : can a complaint be made that results in arrest or whatever upon that : person's entry into the country? An interesting point which Mike may be : able to inform us about, as he's said he will be in the UK in a few weeks : time. Picture the scene at the airport; I arrest you for being Mike Corley and mailbombing people But my name isn't Corley. Who he? Mailbombing isn't illegal is it? You'd have to lock up a lot of people if sending annoying email was a crime Er..... : -- : David Stretch: Greenwood Institute of Child Health, Univ. of Leicester, UK. : dds@leicester.ac.uk Phone:+44 (0)116-254-6100 Fax:+44 (0)116-254-4127 : assume they are meant for you. Mike, this is called paranoia. But that's the way real abuse works, too. People interject words and phrases into what they say which they know will have meaning for the listener. And sometimes, they make it obvious. The very first evening of my job in Oxford, we went for a drink with the technical director, and a couple of other employees. The TD said in an as-if aside to one of the others, Is this the bloke who's been on TV? (he said it directly in front of me, and obviously meant mke to hear him saying it). The other person replied, Yes, I think so. I think the subtext of what the TD said was Why are they bothering with him? He's so insignificant, why would they possibly want to spend the resources going after him and putting all that expensive technology in his home, when there must be much better targets?. The Technical Director was given to sometimes disrespecting people, you see, and in my case he couldn't see the point of anyone expending money on harassing me. === Subject: Re: Treatment of Schizophrenia Distribution: : Probably 'cos you come across as reasoned & articulate, it's a pity : about the other stuff :) Veracity is so unreasonable. : >>pps. You should still see a doc again Mike. : > : >Doing so. Trouble is, all this mental-illness stuff provides camouflage : >for the harassment, which is real. It alows people who otherwise would : >consider the harassment seriously to disregard it. It makes conversations : >with a lawyer or police brief when otherwise it would merit discussion. : The point is that there are two possibilities happening here- : 1. There's a large conspiracy of people out to get you, for no : other reason than that they have the means to do so, and that : it involves a lot of the Media & a proportion of the public : 2. You (who admit to having some headspace problems) are suffering : from acute paranoid schizophrenia. : Possibility #1 is _possible_, but would be unprecendented (OTOH, : how would we know?), unfeasible, and many other things beginning : with _un_ which I can't think of at the moment. Besides, if there : was something going on, chances are some of us here would know : about it, and I'm convinced that nobody does. Unprecedented hits the nail on the head. It _is_ unprecedented, but we have only just reached the technical stage at which it is feasible, and we know video-spying is done to other people (NB the Diana-Hewitt episode) and is a routine tool of security agencies. Perhaps what is unprecedented is not the technical side, but the social manipulation of many people by a concealed element in what other countries would be called the secret police. The most disturbing element is the degree to which people allow themselves to be unquestioningly manipulated by an evil element within the state. 831 -- ------->>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access === Subject: MI5 Persecution: Bernard Levin 1/6/96 (2054) === Subject: Re: FANATIC'S FARE FOR THE COMMON MAN Distribution: : bu765@torfree.net (Mike Corley) quoted a typical, overblown Bernard Levin : piece, which sounds exactly like any number of other pieces by Levin over : the past thirty years. : He then goes on to draw an anguished parallel with a totally unrelated : incident that had happened between him and a friend a few days earlier. It is in the same style as his other pieces, but it's so close to what actually happened a few days previously, that it's completely reasonable to assume that someone told Levin about the meeting, hammed it up a Look at the parallels; 1. madman running loose about London 2. it's about a meeting which took place recently 3. the police are called (he must be controlled, however much that consumes in resources) 4. he might be violent, approach with caution, yes we're laughing but really we're afraid of him, or is it perhaps our own propaganda that we're letting manipulate us 5. he bursts into tears, and swears it's all true - and it is a very exaggerated impression of the conclusion of that meeting Don't worry if you don't believe me, neither my friend to whom I explained this nor my GP believe me either (until the friend found out otherwise!). If someone just presented this to you as I am presenting it now then I wouldn't find it credible (most likely), so it's not until you actually find out it's true that you can find it credible. And by then it's too late, because they've got you in their trap and explained how funny the abuse is. 2054 -- ------->>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access === Subject: MI5 Persecution: alt.fan.mike-corley 6/6/96 (3277) === Subject: A Mike Corley newsgroup? >To be honest, having made the mistake of reading his magnum opus twice >(like many forms of discomfort, one is prone to repeat the experience to >but am tempted by some of the sub-threads that develop. I made the grave error of showing one of his masterpieces to my > mother, together with some of the (less than respectful) responses > to it. Regrettably, she is now addicted to the Corley saga, is > very much an admirer of him (viewing him as a pugilistic underdog > deserving of great admiration) and I have to waste reams of paper > printing all this bilge out every other day, for her delecation. Given that Mr Corley clearly holds a certain fascination for some people, and that his website, although informative, isn't exactly ideal for encouraging discussion of the sort that we all enjoy so much (including Mike himself, by the look of things), would anyone be up for a Mike Corley newsgroup - uk.fan.mike-corley, alt.fan.mike-corley, whatever? (Sorry, I'm not very well up on these things.) This would be a perfect place for Mike to post his writings, and perhaps the occasional look at the ...mike-corley newsgroup posting in uk.misc and so on would be accepted in place of the current cross-posts. -- Richard Fairhurst (assistant editor, Keyboard Review) I am the vine: and you are the branches 3277 -- ------->>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access === Subject: MI5 Persecution: Old_500 5/7/96 (4500) === === Subject: Now we tell the truth as it really is Summary: Keywords: :AND a second posting which appeared in uk.legal on 5th July 1996 (isn't Mr :Corley popular ?) > I've just spoken to a man who knows and he has told me you > have never ever been a target. > you made complaints. Come off it Big Ears, if you're going to pretend someone else is giving me advice then at least get one of your fellow coppers to write it so that it isn't obviously written in the same style as your posts. Also both your post and the one you're pretending isn't yours were posted from pipex via news.dircon.co.uk, viz: YOURS; NOT YOURS; :NCIS leaks and most policemen regard it as unaccountable and occasionally :insecure. M Howard promises to make NCIS publicly accountable. You know a lot about what policemen think, don't you? 4500 -- ------->>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access === Subject: MI5 Persecution: Silly-billy 6/7/96 (5723) === Subject: MC Exposed as a Fraud { snip } Because he has made himself into a martyr and now he finds it impossible to back down. Mike's big secret has now been exposed. He made everything up. Every time Mike makes allegations against the police, MI5, Tom-Dick-and-Harry etc. those organisations have taken people off vitally important work to ascertain whether or not there was any substance in Mike's ranting allegations. When I'm told by someone who really does know such things that there was never any plot to get Mike then I trust that person sufficiently enough to accept his word. The problem is Mike has escalated matters to an extreme level and like many silly billys he will find it impossible to give up all his self created crap and to live a normal life. After all what can Mike do now this crap has been exposed as untrue ? What new cause can Mike dedicate himself to ? (Some might read that as: who else can Mike now start upsetting ?) So Mike write to John Major, c/o the Private Secretary, 10 Downing Street, London SW1A 2AA and ask the Prime Minister to help you. I'd normally disclose his fax numbers but if I did that you might jam up the lines with abusive postings just like you do here on Usenet. Is anyone interested in joining with me to do a mass e-mailing of protests to Anon Penet and to Toronto Free Net in an attempt to flood their computer systems thus forcing them to seriously consider pulling the plug on Mike ? I'm not sure but is my proposal called a flame ? === Subject: Re: MC Exposed as a Fraud John Youles commented: > I've found that torfree.net don't respond, perhaps if they got a high > enough number of complaints they might take notice. See their web pages > for email addresses. Perhaps we should give Mike 7 days from today (6 July 96) to come to his senses and they start a massive multiple E-mailing campaign to Toronto Free Net. If all us victims send multiple copies of E-mails to the right addresses in Toronto then perhaps the Canadians will begin to get the appropriate message. Copy e-mailed to Mike, just so he knows what is coming if he persists. Please think of the people sleeping in shop doorways every night ------------------------------------------------------------------- === Subject: I'm wasting MI5's time! I should be arrested! Summary: Keywords: It's such a pity that the Security Service has no powers of arrest. How are they supposed to implement a proper secret police state without the ability to snatch Joe Citizen off the street whenever they feel like it? >Every time Mike makes allegations against the police, MI5, >Tom-Dick-and-Harry etc. those organisations have taken people off vitally >important work to ascertain whether or not there was any substance in Mike's >ranting allegations. I see. So they're not wasting six years of manpower to persecute you. They're wasting six years of manpower to prove I'm _not_ being persecuted. I wish I was clever enough to think of something like that. I really, really do. >When I'm told by someone who really does know such things that there was >never any plot to get Mike then I trust that person sufficiently enough to >accept his word. Come on Big Ears, why don't you admit that you made this posting? This is exactly the same line you were feeding me a few months ago. The posts are from the same news server, it's even the same newsreading software (Forte Agent .99e/16.227). I'm afraid that if you friend in the know denied the existence of a plot then he was being, as they say, economical with the truth. Judging by the extreme reaction in London in May, and the panic you're showing now, as well as the replay post yesterday, I would say that things are hotting up again. But for you this time, not for me. I am out of harm's way, and there is very little you can do as long as I stay out of the UK. 5723 -- ------->>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access === Subject: MI5 Persecution: Silly-billy 6/7/96 (831) === Subject: MC Exposed as a Fraud { snip } Because he has made himself into a martyr and now he finds it impossible to back down. Mike's big secret has now been exposed. He made everything up. Every time Mike makes allegations against the police, MI5, Tom-Dick-and-Harry etc. those organisations have taken people off vitally important work to ascertain whether or not there was any substance in Mike's ranting allegations. When I'm told by someone who really does know such things that there was never any plot to get Mike then I trust that person sufficiently enough to accept his word. The problem is Mike has escalated matters to an extreme level and like many silly billys he will find it impossible to give up all his self created crap and to live a normal life. After all what can Mike do now this crap has been exposed as untrue ? What new cause can Mike dedicate himself to ? (Some might read that as: who else can Mike now start upsetting ?) So Mike write to John Major, c/o the Private Secretary, 10 Downing Street, London SW1A 2AA and ask the Prime Minister to help you. I'd normally disclose his fax numbers but if I did that you might jam up the lines with abusive postings just like you do here on Usenet. Is anyone interested in joining with me to do a mass e-mailing of protests to Anon Penet and to Toronto Free Net in an attempt to flood their computer systems thus forcing them to seriously consider pulling the plug on Mike ? I'm not sure but is my proposal called a flame ? === Subject: Re: MC Exposed as a Fraud John Youles commented: > I've found that torfree.net don't respond, perhaps if they got a high > enough number of complaints they might take notice. See their web pages > for email addresses. Perhaps we should give Mike 7 days from today (6 July 96) to come to his senses and they start a massive multiple E-mailing campaign to Toronto Free Net. If all us victims send multiple copies of E-mails to the right addresses in Toronto then perhaps the Canadians will begin to get the appropriate message. Copy e-mailed to Mike, just so he knows what is coming if he persists. Please think of the people sleeping in shop doorways every night ------------------------------------------------------------------- === Subject: I'm wasting MI5's time! I should be arrested! Summary: Keywords: It's such a pity that the Security Service has no powers of arrest. How are they supposed to implement a proper secret police state without the ability to snatch Joe Citizen off the street whenever they feel like it? >Every time Mike makes allegations against the police, MI5, >Tom-Dick-and-Harry etc. those organisations have taken people off vitally >important work to ascertain whether or not there was any substance in Mike's >ranting allegations. I see. So they're not wasting six years of manpower to persecute you. They're wasting six years of manpower to prove I'm _not_ being persecuted. I wish I was clever enough to think of something like that. I really, really do. >When I'm told by someone who really does know such things that there was >never any plot to get Mike then I trust that person sufficiently enough to >accept his word. Come on Big Ears, why don't you admit that you made this posting? This is exactly the same line you were feeding me a few months ago. The posts are from the same news server, it's even the same newsreading software (Forte Agent 99e/16.227). I'm afraid that if you friend in the know denied the existence of a plot then he was being, as they say, economical with the truth. Judging by the extreme reaction in London in May, and the panic you're showing now, as well as the replay post yesterday, I would say that things are hotting up again. But for you this time, not for me. I am out of harm's way, and there is very little you can do as long as I stay out of the UK. 831 -- ------->>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access === Subject: MI5 Persecution: BBC+ITN=MI5 23/7/96 (2054) === Subject: MI5 Buy into the Media : I was at speakers' corner on Sunday. There was one chap who was bellowing : about something or other, I don't know what, but one thing he said to : someone caught my ear: : BBC, MI5, same thing. Can't disagree with that sentiment. Wasn't it documented that MI5 sometimes bought journalists and broadcasters? I remember reading a report by some jouralist who had been offered an extra tax-free income by MI5 to become their covert mouthpiece, and had refused. Bet you lots of others didn't refuse. Why do you think MI5 have such easy access to the BBC and media? Because they're directly paying them off, that's why. Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:01:15 uk.misc Thread 20 of 25 Lines 17 Re: MI5 Buy into the Media No responses Iain@cummings.demon.co.uk Iain Cummings at Fish! Wasn't it documented that MI5 sometimes bought journalists and broadcasters? >I remember reading a report by some jouralist who had been offered an extra >tax-free income by MI5 to become their covert mouthpiece, and had refused. It was Jon Snow of Channel 4. -- Iain C*mmings - iain@cummings.demon.co.uk VISIT THE FEARFUL WORLD OF JIMMY McNULTY - VIOLENT NUTTER! This web-site is not suitable for mature prudes. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/7433/ > : >mouthpiece, and had refused. > : > : It was Jon Snow of Channel 4. Was it reported in any of the papers? It has been reported several times. The most recent was in Private Eye, a few months back. As I recall they also wanted information from him; journalists would be a natural choice for members of the Security Service and the Secret Intelligence Service for information sources. > It might be interesting to see what he had to say regarding their > attempt to recruit him. He was most concerned that many others would have accepted such an offer. However, we can probably make an educated guess as to some of those who accepted: Nigel West (Rupert Allason, MP) and Chapman Pincher would come near to the top of the list. -- / David Boothroyd. Socialist and election analyst. Omne ignotum pro magnifico. British Elections and Politics at http://www.qmw.ac.uk/~laws/election/home.html I wish I was in North Dakota. Next General Election must be before 22nd May '97 The House of Commons now : C 324, Lab 272, L Dem 25, UU 9, PC 4, SDLP 4, SNP 4, UDUP 3, Ind 1, Ind UU 1, Spkrs 4. Government majority = 1. Telephone Tate 6125. 2054 -- ------->>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access === Subject: MI5 Persecution: Latest technology 31/7/96 (3277) === Subject: Surveillance Distribution: world >> ... Normal surveillance >>mini-cameras are quite noticeable and require visible supporting >>circuitry. It seems to me the best place to put a small video surveillance >>device would be additional to a piece of electronic equipment such as a TV >>or video. I would imagine it is quite easy to compleatly hida a camera, even in >a familar enviroment, such as a persons home. You only need a hole the >size of a pin hole, for the camera to see through. This is true. I frequently employ private detectives to spy on people (there's a good reason for this and I'll tell you if you guess correctly) and one such detective showed me the latest technology only last week. A small rucksack. One strap of the rucksack has a tiny hole in it that you wouldn't notice unless someone pointed to it. That's the camera: the wires lead into the rucksack itself where there is a video tape recorder little bigger than a Walkman. I don't know if that's what Roger Cook uses but it certainly explains why it is that the subject can look straight into the lens and not realise (s)he's being filmed. Now, I say latest technology and I think that's the technology that the police use as well as the retired police who become private detectives, but no doubt the security services have far more sophisticated equipment. -- Jon 3277 -- ------->>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access === Subject: MI5 Persecution: Just too crazy 30/9/96 (4500) === Subject: Re: Is MI5 persecuting Mike Corley? Distribution: : > In summary, for there to be a serious possibility that Mike : >Corley's allegations are true, there needs to be evidence of two : >things. Firstly, there must be evidence of subversive activity on : >his part. Secondly, there needs to be evidence of MI5 taking : >measures to counter this subversive activity, in proportion to the : >magnitude of the threat posed. Upon reading Mike Corley's posts, : Alan, : What about the following scenario? MI5 conducts experiments including : field trials of novel surveillance methods. Say there was a research : project underway to see just how invasive a surveillance of an : individual could be. Perhaps it wasn't research, perhaps it was for : training of novice personnel. Either way, there is a sizeable risk of : detection. In order to minimise the consequences of this, you choose : someone who is out of the public eye, and if possible someone whose : credibility is already damaged - by diagnosis of schizophrenia, for example. : This will facilitate the plausible denial if something goes wrong. : I think this would be closer to Mike's theory. : Mike, if you are reading, please don't post the story again. Anyone can : think that I actually *believe* the above. On cost alone, it is extremely : unlikely to be true, and some elements of the story (people in the media : being in on it) are just too crazy (though I can see how the paranoia : builds to the extent that you can see them everywhere). My argument is that the fact that it's so totally crazy is what makes it so plausible and so hard to prove. I shall continue to try to find ways to kick down the house of cards. Because it is a brittle structure. It only needs one person to corroborate, and then it's all over. : P.S. Anyone else ever thought of what-ifs along the same lines? I : remember as a boy daydreaming that maybe I was the focus of national : attention in a let's follow the life of one person from life to : death study - that while I was out or in bed there were programmes on : the television about my life so far, etc. It makes for a good fiction, Perhaps MI5 have become victims of their own paranoia. Their agency has been thought of as acting disreputably, so when their decision arrives, they don't think twice about breaking the law. Whereas say CSIS (the Canadian equivalent) is at pains to point out how it would never ever do anything in contravention of the law, and how it is strictly controlled in what it does and how it does it. If this matter does ever make it into the public gaze, then it won't just be a few individuals in the media or security service who'll get hit. The UK is supposed to be a civilized democratic country (East Germany called themselves a democracy and they had the Stasi, but anyway). In a civilized country these things shouldn't be happening - and it is ultimately Parliament and the government who are answerable for not imposing sufficient restraints and accountability on those who are supposed to be ensuring security for citizens, not jeopardising it. ..................................................................... 4500 -- ------->>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access === Subject: SortA, SortB Hi... Could anybody please tell me what`s the function of SortA and SortB commands in Spreadsheet??? ROM 2.10-7.... === Subject: MI5 Persecution: Usual targets of such abuse 10/10/96 (5723) === Subject: Re: MI5 says Kill Yourself Distribution: >Indeed. If you've ever had a 'conversation' with someone suffering >from florid schizophrenia, you'll know how difficult it can be to >'argue' with them. I don't have florid symptoms. But I'm in a difficult situation, because those people who don't know, aren't going to believe, and those who do, they just go along with the crowd. It's never a good idea to go against the grain, and the grain here is defined by interests in the establishment and the media. Even people who could say out loud what was happening won't, because then there's a risk that they'll be seen as traitors and ostracised. Usually this type of 'hidden abuse' is racial and targetted at a racial minority within a country. You keep the minorities out of the good jobs, but you don't admit discrimination exists. It happens everywhere, not just in Britain. The persecution that is going on now is in reality a refined form of racism. Instead of nigger it's nutter, and abusing the mentally ill is still socially acceptable today. In 50 years it might not be, but today there isn't any social or legal sanction against it. So really they've refined racial harassment down to a minority of one. The words may be different, but the methods are the same. 5723 -- ------->>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access === Subject: MI5 Persecution: Excellent web page 19/10/96 (6946) === Subject: Re: MI5 persecution ;; Cost of the Harassment :On 4 Oct 1996 13:19:16 +0100, drh92@aber.ac.uk (DANIEL ROBERT > : > : :> Oh NO! > : :> Not here too. > : :> This MI5 persecution thread's been doing the rounds of UK.MISC for ages; > :> it concerns some paranoid loony who thinks that MI5 are out to get him. > : :> They're not; everyone else on that newsgroup IS. > : :> Killfile the moron NOW! > : Bit sad really, the guy (must be the same one) has an excellent web page. Definite waste of talent. PS: I am NOT disclosing his URL. > The man's been changing his anon remailer address periodically, too. Why on earth he does I don't know; he's in serious danger of creating some > real enemies, apart from the phantoms his sadly deranged mind has created. > ............................................................................ ............ === Subject: Re: MI5 persecution // BBC TV and Radio >I expect he will soon be seen in uk.out.to.lunch alt.folklore.urban which I saw and each of those included other groups in the Newsgroups line) I doubt he'll be seen anywhere for long. Using the xs4all remailer doesn't really help if you post the url to a web site which makes it clear who you are. Nuala, who thinks that the sad thing is he used frames much better than many sites done by supposedly 'sane' people. -- Out of the ash I rise/With my red hair/And I eat men like air - Plath You were everything to me/For twenty minutes/ Now I'd rather you would leave - Baby Chaos ............................................................................ ............ === Subject: Praise Totally excellent page. Although I am a little confused whi is being percecuted? mike.monty@zetnet.co.uk ............................................................................ ............ 6946 -- ------->>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access === Subject: MI5 Persecution: WTGROMT 18/11/96 (8169) === Subject: Re: MIKE AND THE DOWNFALL OF UK.LEGAL Distribution: world >Actually, I see uk.misc as a source of occasional interesting information, >and I like jokes. Some people can laugh, you see. > Not much. I thought they might, but the realization has arrived that this particular avenue of exploration is at a dead end. WTGROMT (well that's got rid of me then!) ....................................................................... === Subject: Re: MIKE AND THE DOWNFALL OF UK.LEGAL >>Actually, I see uk.misc as a source of occasional interesting information, >>and I like jokes. Some people can laugh, you see. Not much. I thought they might, but the realization has arrived that this >particular avenue of exploration is at a dead end. Oh please let this be true and not just another wind-up! >WTGROMT (well that's got rid of me then!) one of the colourful characters of uk.misc. Have a custard cream. Dave. ....................................................................... 8169 -- ------->>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access === Subject: Re: : Help us! Help us! - TERREMOTO On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:11:31 -0000, jhusel f The day after an 8.0-magnitude earthquake shook southern Peru, killing >> at least ~500 people and injuring ~1,500, residents of one hard-hit >> city yelled Help us! Help us! >> http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/08/16/peru.earthquake/index.ht... >> Help centers:www.cnn.com/ayuda >> My people needs your help! >> from Peru >> Gustavo Portales >> GaaK.org Help us please!!!! Polish Travellers Club in New York is collecting money for Peru http://www.odkrywcy.com/ Link Help Peru on the top. Unfortunately, in Polish :) But the telephone number of Red Cross they list is good for Spanish speakers and English speakers Information about collecting money for help was also listed on web page of Poradink Sukces, web page for members of Polsh community in the USA. Just for your information: http://www.poradniksukces.com/jmainp/ A.L. === Subject: Re: : Help us! Help us! - TERREMOTO GaaK ha scritto: > On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:11:31 -0000, jhusel f > The day after an 8.0-magnitude earthquake shook southern Peru, killing >> at least ~500 people and injuring ~1,500, residents of one hard-hit >> city yelled Help us! Help us! > >http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/08/16/peru.earthquake/index.ht... > >> Help centers:www.cnn.com/ayuda > >> My people needs your help! > >> from Peru >> Gustavo Portales >> GaaK.org > >Help us please!!!! > > People in my company have already started collecting monies for Red > Cross. > > A.L. Many people is helping, many countries... Unfortunelly, many people > died :-( 1970 Peru Earthquake (7.9 on the Richter scale) Archive: > The death toll of this earthquake was over 66,000. It is the 4th most > deadly earthquake of the world in the 20th century. This disastrous > earthquake destroyed about 200,000 homes and buildings and left > approximately 800,000 people homeless in a region of 40,000 square > miles. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970 Ancash earthquake 2007 Peru Earthquake (8.0 on the Richter scale): > Killing about 1,000 people. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007 Peru earthquake This is my first time, my first Earthquake. In Spanish Language: Hoy por mi, ma.96ana por ti. gracias. - Gaak - Hi Gustavo. I live in Italy, where I already suffered a couple of major earthquakes - the first one in 1972, when I was 6, and the second one in 1997. Both of them where not even comparable with the violent shaking that smashed Per.9d in the last days, but I just liked to let you know that I really *understand* what are the feelings one gets during an earthquake, and so please beleieve I'm really close to you and your people in this difficult situation. I'll also try to help with a little money if I can... Take care. Giancarlo === Subject: MI5 Persecution: No Justice 20/11/96 (9392) (sent 20/11/96) === Subject: No Justice for those with mental illness Summary: Keywords: Well, the legal option has just foundered on the rock of lawyers refusing to deal with me on the grounds that my perception of harassment must be due to the disease. So we're back to square one again, the same place we were two years ago. Now perhaps one of our uk.legal participants can clarify this point. To me it seems illogical that lawyers should have the final say on whether you are allowed to proceed with a civil case or not. Is there a default mechanism or agency for cases such as mine where it is difficult to find a solicitor to represent you? What exactly is the official Solicitor? What is it possible to do if you can't find a lawyer to represent you? A chance to get a useful response out of the uk newsgroups! perhaps they can be .......................................................................... Represent yourself....like the defendants in the McLibel trial. you will need to read some law..but you CAN legally represent yourself I believe. Mike W. .......................................................................... Yes, a lot of people do this nowadays. Saves on legal fees too. Lots of reading up required first, though. -- Paul .......................................................................... (posted 30/11/96 from bu765) === Subject: Re: No Justice for those with mental illness Distribution: >>Represent yourself....like the defendants in the McLibel trial. >>you will need to read some law..but you CAN legally represent yourself I >>believe. >>Mike W. Yes, a lot of people do this nowadays. Saves on legal fees too. Lots >of reading up required first, though. What can I do to get competent legal help though? If the case is on the face of it so bizarre that no solicitor would represent me or talk to me, then surely there must be a default mechanism? What is the official Solicitor that's been mentioned? .......................................................................... All you need do is go to a good library & read up about it - that's what the McLibel 2 did. -- Ban Everything or Ban Nothing ! http://www.mahayana.demon.co.uk/ ISO 1386-C compliant .sig All words written in the above posting are my opinions .......................................................................... 9392 -- ------->>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access === Subject: MI5 Persecution: David Hepworth (1) 26/2/97 (10615) === Subject: Absolute Obscene David Hepworth (GLR) Summary: Keywords: Last night (21/Feb/97), I was listening to BBC GLR. You have to understand that I was listening by stealth. Back in 1990 I used to have Capital blaring out of the speakers all over the garden (if he listens to Capital then he can't be with the volume turned right down. It could not possibly be overheard by any listening device, no matter how sensitive, because sound does not carry from the headphones. Yet somehow they are still able to tell which station I am listening to on the walkman. And last night, I bravely tuned to GLR 94.9FM at around 8.45pm. Everything went well for the first half hour or so. The DJ (today GLR told me it was David Hepworth) had a rock star spelling competition (how do you spell Shakespear's Sister?), no trouble there. I was recording the show onto tape just in case anything unpleasant happened, as I had reason to think it might. Around 9.10pm, it did. Here, precisely, is what Hepworth said after the song Come Around by the Muttonbirds (I have this on tape, and at some point will be posting the audio on my website); New album's called 'Envy of Angels', that comes out soon, that's the single that's already out, I would imagine, that's 'Come Around', the Muttonbirds, er, coming up after this, we got the rock-and-roll A-level, we have, I assume, Brian do we have an embarrassment of prizes in there, we do, don't we, (EMPHASIS) absolute obscene (END-EMPHASIS) amounts of prizes, there will no doubt be a riot at the back door, and that's, er, A-level coming up after this The key phrases in what he said are, EMBARRASSMENT of prizes, and what he himself emphasized verbally, ABSOLUTE OBSCENE amount of prizes. It is my belief (based on content and tone of voice) that when he spoke these phrases he knew I was listening, and that the phrases refer directly to my situation. The EMBARRASSMENT is the embarrassment he and other media people would feel at having their wrongdoing exposed; the ABSOLUTE OBSCENE (which he verbally emphasized) described the disgusting sexual abuse which the harassers have been throwing at me. Needless to say, I can't prove this is what he meant, although this has happened enough times that it's hard not to recognise it when you see it. But I shall be sending him a copy of this explanation. We'll see what he has to say for himself. .................................................................... === Subject: Re: Absolute Obscene David Hepworth (GLR) Distribution: >Last night (21/Feb/97), I was listening to BBC GLR. You have to understand that >>I was listening by stealth. Back in 1990 I used to have Capital blaring out of >> huh? I can't understand it myself. Can anyone else help us ? I will try to explain with greater clarity. I am prone to have ideas of interactive watching by people on TV, and interactive listening by people on the radio; which means as I listen to their programme, they are aware that I am listening (because my home is spied on, and those doing the spying phone up the radio station and tell them that I am listening to them), and they then interject nasty remarks in what they say. This is what I believe may have happened on Friday night with GLR, and what I It's happened before with other radio stations, most worryingly when I am listening quietly on my walkman as happened on Friday. This time, the interjected words were embarrassment and absolute obscene. The absolute obscene referred to the abuse which is currently being directed at me. I hope that's a little clearer. .................................................................... Facility thusly: ~ huh? Just because you need to read it twice in order to understand it, is that any reason to inflict it on the rest of us again ? -- '2% of people *do*, 98% of people wish they *had*' - David Fanshawe http://www.mahayana.demon.co.uk/ Read Flatland ! .................................................................... Mike, try playing a cassette in your walkman. There is no way they can reach you then. HTH -- Don Whybrow - Correct email address: don@whybrow.demon.co.uk .................................................................... > ............................ This time, the > interjected words were embarrassment and absolute obscene. The absolute > obscene referred to the abuse which is currently being directed at me. But it is possible that those two sets of interjected words could have validly referred to something else. > I hope that's a little clearer. .................................................................... >Some people, new to this group, may not realise the Mike is our resident >Paranoid Schizophrenic. This is not a joke, it is serious. He has >already admitted stopping taking prescribed drugs for his condition. Though I have to say I've never heard one as obscure as that, even from Mike. How he can believe a rubbish trail for a crap competition is directed at him is beyond me! He's sent a copy of the post to the jock, too. I hope he doesn't read it out. -- The John Shuttleworth Homepage: It's just an Austin Ambassador of a site! http://www.steviep.demon.co.uk/shuttle.htm .................................................................... 10615 -- ------->>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access === Subject: MI5 Persecution: Striking out action 10/3/97 (11838) === Subject: Scandalous, Frivolous or Vexatious Summary: Keywords: A couple of weeks ago I issued a summons against the BBC in my local county court, for the tort of private nuisance caused by the spying by their newsreaders on my home. My argument was that their spying had prevented me watching the news at home, and therefore interfered with my normal use of my home. The BBC's Litigation Dept at White City have replied not with a defence, but with an application for my claim to be struck out because; (a) it discloses no reasonable cause of action; and/or (b) it is scandalous, frivolous or vexatious. Their application will be heard next week. They have not made any affidavit in support of their application, nor have they given particulars as to why they consider my summons to be unarguable in law, which would be a necessary condition for there to be no reasonable cause of action. I am more worried about point (b). Allegations are scandalous (says Stuart Sime's book) if they impute dishonesty against another party; which my allegations do, against the BBC's newsreaders. As for frivolous or vexatious, I think that will be up to me to make a good argument for the effect the BBC's spying has had on my life, and up to the district judge's opinion of my case. Apparently seeking to have a claim struck out in this way is common practice when the plaintiff is a litigant-in-person. Even if it is struck out, there is always the opportunity to appeal. I think we could be in for a fight next week. .......................................................................... Sun, 02 Mar 1997 20:38:59 uk.legal Thread 52 of 54 Lines 13 Re: Scandalous, Frivolous or Vexatious Respno 1 of 1 Kate@carterce.demon.co.uk KKKKatie > Well, that'll liven up the dear old District Judge. Almost worth taking > the day off to see how Mike fares. almost worth taking a day off to see if he exists Kate -- Just back from the US - you've got to love a country that puts Vertical Clearance Impeded for Low Bridge .......................................................................... === Subject: Re: Scandalous, Frivolous or Vexatious Distribution: >Almost worthwhile taking the day off to go and punch him in the >face for all abuse he's given us on these groups. Which court is it? I'm not telling you which court it is. I don't want to be hounded by irate uk-miscreants! As for raising eyebrows, the member of staff who took the summons form didn't change their facial expression at all. Seen it all before, no doubt. .......................................................................... -I'm not telling you which court it is. I don't want to be hounded by irate >-uk-miscreants! >- >-As for raising eyebrows, the member of staff who took the summons form didn't >-change their facial expression at all. Seen it all before, no doubt. Take no notice Mike, some people are like that. I hope >you finally get this matter into court. I'm not so fond of the threats of violence against the persistent (yet Corley. Yet, encouraging the fantasies of the mentally ill isn't exactly healthy either. Do you go up to homeless mad people as say things like: They're coming to get you, or Look out behind you?. Smid .......................................................................... Quite the contary Mike. Your recent posts have been no problem. By friends than you know. I hope that you sort out your problem, sincerely. -- *********************************************************************** I'm Alan Packer and I move in a very mysterious way. If replying to me .......................................................................... I think it's good for Mike to vent his anger and frustration on >these two newsgroups. Consider it to be part of your duty to >the comunity in general. Yep. Just not, the, I think 180 posts, one week, when his illness got really bad. Oh yeah, and there was only three real posts, just repeated 60 times. >Mike does a first class job of drawing out the real personality >of the person hiding behind a node name. The way people react >to Mike gives it all away. Erm, explain this rather dubious statement. >As for you. Don't you think it's a trifle condescending to refer >to people as mad. I know they are homeless and without internet >access, but maybe they are just eccentric. Congratulations. This is my first real flame for about a year. I try to control my anger when I come across another uninformed naive idiot on usenet, but sometimes it goes free. We've had Corley have killed a couple of usenet groups I really rather lied. uk.media, to name but one. I gets my goat to read another useless er thinking he is a harmless eccentric. Mike is mentally ill. He is unwilling to deal with it. He seems to think that uk.misc is some sort of forum that MI5 reads. And it should be avenged. He's mailbombed a large quantity of people, 1. He thinks MI5 watches him through his television 2. He thinks all references to mad people, refer to him 3. He thinks all people shouting, are shouting at him. 4. He's been diagnosed as mentally ill, just not a paranoid schizophrenic. 5. He gives not a about any newsgroups he abuses. 6. He goes through quiet periods, then _very_ nasty periods. 7. All evidence of this great conspiracy is laughable, to say the least. 8. He gives internet/usenet a bad name to the media. Including mailbombing Chris Tarrant and faxing various celebrities. I do not condescend to him. I actually know what he does, and has done in the past, and am frankly not too respectful of him. He can be openly referred to as mad because he is. Let's check my mailbox saves: Repost of when I thought I'd seen the last of loopy mike: >>Actually, I see uk.misc as a source of occasional interesting information, >>and I like jokes. Some people can laugh, you see. Not much. I thought they might, but the realization has arrived that this >particular avenue of exploration is at a dead end. WTGROMT (well that's got rid of me then!) Have you actually visited his web page, and read the massive conspiracy that is supposed to be against him? Apparently MI5 watch him, but for no reason. They do it for a laugh. Because they can. It costs them a lot of money, but they still do it. Reality is but a memory for this man. >Anyway I understood the UKMTC members upset Mike Corely , but >I could be wrong. Heaven forbid. Smid .......................................................................... > Anyway I understood the UKMTC members upset Mike Corely , but >> I could be wrong. There was a pitched battle between MC and the artist formerly >known as Big Ears but that was before the UMTC by which time such outrageous proportions that we had to mount a concerted attempt to get his account(s) closed. The reason for the lack of he can bring an action as a LIP against the BBC (all solicitors having quite rightly and honourably declined to act for him). When this course of action is exhausted without result, I confidently predict that we will once again be the innocent victims of his ire .......................................................................... 11838 -- ------->>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access === Subject: MI5 Persecution: I am being ignored 17/4/97 (13061) === Subject: I am being ignored Summary: Keywords: Something mildly unusual is happening. Nobody has been getting at me for the last couple of weeks. Best of all, about three weeks ago I bought a video recorder to try to get some evidence from the News etc, and despite having watched Martyn Lewis, Michael Buerk and the whole lot of them, not one of them has said anything to me in the last three weeks. And I have been listening to and recording Capital, with no ill effect. All in all, I am being comprehensively ignored. Of course, I should have video-taped the news programmes back in 1990/91/92 (and even 93) when it was still all going on. Anthony Johnsson (casually name-drop to stick the knife in) will tell you how intelligent a person I am, yet I didn't have the good sense to record the programmes at the time, and it's a bit late now. Today another avenue of exploration closed when my second summons against the BBC was struck out (basically through lack of evidence), and an order was made by the district judge saying that I could not sue John Birt again without the express permission of the court. She explained that this was for my own good, to save me the summons fees. Costs were not awarded though (the BBC didn't even really seek costs), and I am free to sue anyone else I take a shine to. .................................................................. It is not that you are being ignored.... it is just that as your mental health improves, so your paranoia eases. OR... The dark forces are gathering strength for the final battle with you... Seriously though, it's nice to see you back - cos as long as they are persecuting you, I can relax knowing they haven't got time to bother me! Harry -- Harry Adams harry@smcat.com http://www.smcat.com .................................................................. Great news! Keep taking the tablets. .................................................................. (posted 11/apr/1997, re Neil Long at 8.35pm Capital Radio) === Subject: Re: I am being ignored Distribution: [unreasonable optimism snipped] Well, that didn't last very long, did it? Capital Radio this evening approx 8.35pm, Neil Long's programme a few moments after I switched to it (I am listening to it as I type this). The following spouted from his mouth; want to see Jacko in town? what a gig it's going to be, that guy is amazing, and PSYCHOTIC, but amazing on stage, 0171-4200958, on stage he's a MADMAN but he's wonderful God, I am so tired of this. It's been going on for seven years. When's it going to stop? I have the above extract on tape. When I get around to it I will post it, and the Hepworth snippet, as audio files on the website. Of course, all the doubting Thomases and Smids can carry on doubting, because the mere fact that moments after switching on the DJ starts talking about psychotic, that's not proof is it? copied to Richard Park, Group Director of Programmes. I suppose they'll just lie as usual. Bastards, basically. .................................................................. The solution is surely to not have a TV, video, radio or telephone in the house, Mike. That way they can't be used to watch you. Dave -- dave@ llondel.demon.co.uk Any advice above is worth what I paid for it. .................................................................. === Subject: Re: I am being ignored Distribution: >The solution is surely to not have a TV, video, radio or telephone in >the house, Mike. That way they can't be used to watch you. No. I tried that strategy in 1990/91 when I sold my television and stopped listening to the radio. It didn't work because they got at me through co-workers and eventually the general public. The solution is to gather evidence by recording everything, and then complain or sue if possible. I wish I'd recorded it all five or six years ago, then I might be more successful in a legal action now. .................................................................. Did anyone else watch the X-Files on Sky last night (Sunday 13th April) and recognise Mike's symptons in the chap with the tattoo? It was quite interesting to see someone responding in precisely the same way, picking up on individual words and phrases in ordinary sentences and applying parts to themselves as though they were intended. Not a pleasant ending though. You take care, Mike, and keep taking the medication. uk.misc just wouldn't be the same without you now. Claire -- **************************************************************************** ** * Claire Speed [ENTX] * Network & Operations Unit, Manchester Computing * * Dial-up, ISDN, TICTAC * C.Speed@mcc.ac.uk http://www.mcc.ac.uk/Claire/ * **************************************************************************** ** .................................................................. >moments after switching on the DJ starts talking about psychotic, that's not >proof is it? No, it isn't, but you knew that anyway. Mike, how is it that you think that this can't be a coincidence because it happened 'moments' after you switched on the radio? Haven't you just told us that you haven't heard a thing for two weeks? Going two weeks watching TV & listening to the radio without a reference to 'mad', 'crazy' or 'loony' is quite an acheivement, especially given the trashy radio you seem to prefer. I've just spent a lot of the weekend trying to keep a manic depressive under control, so that she doesn't have to go back into hospital and lose the last few months' memories to ECT. One thing I've noticed is that manic depressives almost seek to foster their fantasies, they enjoy the control and the high. You seem to be the same - you refuse to answer the points put to you that explain away what you call persecution totally - do you have the courage of your convictions to reply to this? Or do you enjoy the attention your illness brings you? -- Illtud Daniel idaniel@jesus.ox.ac.uk -see Twin Town- -Buy Apollo 440- .................................................................. > Something mildly unusual is happening. Nobody has been getting at me for the > last couple of weeks. Do please tell the *truth*. It has been longer than *2* weeks as I'm sure you have noticed, hasn't it ? Well I claim responsibility for the absence of persecution. When I rang John Major's personal private secretary, not the personal political one or any of the others in the same office, and I said you would vote for the Conservative Party at the General Election the secretary said Johnny would be so happy and as a sign of gratitude he rang-up the Head of MI5 and told them to save money for tax cuts by abandoning forthwith their campaign against you. Consequently MI5 and MI6 have been able to redeploy urgently needed resources (i.e. manpower and telecoms interceptions) against an international band of (*****censored*****). On behalf of the law-abiding and decent citizens in the British islands, I would like to sincerely thank you for your invaluable contribution to crime fighting by your instrumental achievement in releasing badly needed and very scarce MI5 and MI6 resources. > Best of all, about three weeks ago I bought a video recorder to try to get some > evidence from the News etc, and despite having watched Martyn Lewis, Michael > Buerk and the whole lot of them, not one of them has said anything to me in the > last three weeks. And I have been listening to and recording Capital, with no ill > effect. All in all, I am being comprehensively ignored. Please don't forget it is National Election time and the news broadcasts at 21:00 on BBC1 are preoccupied with British politics. > Of course, I should have video-taped the news programmes back in 1990/91/92 > (and even 93) when it was still all going on. Any particular date in mind ? I have a few in the library. You can also purchase copies from the BBC on 0181-743 8000 (central switchboard). > Anthony Johnsson (casually name-drop to stick the knife in) will tell you how intelligent > a person I am, yet I didn't have the good sense to record the programmes at the time, > and it's a bit late now. Perhaps it is for the best. Now that it is all over, you can return to Canada. Did you manage to get your Canadian citizenship ? What did your contracts at MI5 say about you becoming Canadian ? You never did mention the name of your MI5 liaison officer nor of any of the others. > Today another avenue of exploration closed when my second summons against the > BBC was struck out (basically through lack of evidence), and an order was made > by the district judge saying that I could not sue John Birt again without the > express permission of the court. She explained that this was for my own good, > to save me the summons fees. Costs were not awarded though (the BBC didn't even > really seek costs), and I am free to sue anyone else I take a shine to. That's true. But as it is now all over there is no need to worry about the past. MI5 said your file has been removed from the Registry and put in a burn-bag so there is nothing left for anyone ever to find. By the way, what was the URL of your famous Corley web site ? .................................................................. === Subject: Re: I am being ignored Distribution: : >Illtud Daniel typed: : > : >> You seem to be the same - you refuse : >> to answer the points put to you that explain away what you call persecution : >> totally - do you have the courage of your convictions to reply to this? : >> Or do you enjoy the attention your illness brings you? I have to admit that it is actually mildly amusing to have newsreaders watching you, although it is tiresome after a bit. I am currently in an interesting situation, because after my lawsuits against them I think the BBC newscasters have stopped watching me entirely; I also think that ITN, in particular John Suchet, *are* still watching but they're being subtle about it (his blink pattern followed mine). Being called nasty words is quite horrible though, and seems gratuitous; what do they gain by it, except to exercise their sadism? : >I think we all ought to remember that schizophrenia is a : >psychosis, and as such, unless you are American and believe : >that *anything* can be dealt with through counselling and/or : >psychotherapy, will not respond to this type of treatment. : Tell me about it. My friend is now unhappily resident in Warneford : mental health unit, or whatever they call psychiatric hospitals nowardays. I've never been in a hospital as an in-patient, ever. I think I've been very lucky in that regard. : Having said that, one should seek to disabuse even psychotics of their : delusions. The medicines haven't made any difference to my ideas. They obviously make a difference in the emotional impact and reaction. .................................................................. >I've never been in a hospital as an in-patient, ever. I think I've been very >lucky in that regard. You have. They're not pleasant atmospheres, especially the secure wings, which have more in common with prisons ('airlock' doors, list of 'banned' -- Illtud Daniel idaniel@jesus.ox.ac.uk -see Twin Town- -Buy Apollo 440- .................................................................. 13061 -- ------->>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access === Subject: MI5 Persecution: Peak Practice 26/4/97 (14284) === Subject: Peak Practice 1/4/97 wanted Summary: Keywords: I am looking for a recording of Peak Practice from yesterday 1.April on VHS tape. Willing to pay a reasonable sum for a recording. ................................................................. >I am looking for a recording of Peak Practice from yesterday 1.April on VHS >tape. Willing to pay a reasonable sum for a recording. Uh-oh. Peak Practice slagging you off as well now, eh Mike? -- Illtud Daniel idaniel@jesus.ox.ac.uk -see Twin Town- -Buy Apollo 440- ................................................................. === Subject: Re: Peak Practice 1/4/97 wanted Distribution: >Uh-oh. Peak Practice slagging you off as well now, eh Mike? You better believe it. Tuesday's episode had one of its characters being labelled as a lunatic with something wrong with them. I changed channels rapidly at this point, but in retrospect perhaps I should have carried on watching and taped the program. A few days ago I bought a video recorder (about time too) for evidence gathering purposes. But strangely the TV news (both BBC and ITN) haven't uttered a sound over the last few days. Almost as if they know they're being taped... ................................................................. >>Uh-oh. Peak Practice slagging you off as well now, eh Mike? You better believe it. Tuesday's episode had one of its characters being >labelled as a lunatic with something wrong with them. And? There are many characters in TV programmes who _are_ lunatics with 'something wrong with them'. Why do you think this alludes to you? In the eponymous book, Cervantes' Don Quixote is described as 'crazy' 'mad' and 'lunatic'. Do you think this is a reference to yourself, albeit written by a time-travelling 17th century Spaniard? If you accept that the character of Don Quixote can be described thus without it being a reference to you, what problem do you have with Peak Practice? Or do you enjoy tilting at your own little windmills? A friend's lodger has turned out to be paranoid schizophrenic. Her obsessions are strikingly similar to yours, she is convinced that she is being bugged, and that students at her college are making fun of her for being foreign. She has been looking for the services of a private detective. Maybe Oxford has this unfortunate effect on foreigners? I must say that I'm surviving rather well, or that's what the man under the stairs told me yesterday. -- Illtud Daniel idaniel@jesus.ox.ac.uk -see Twin Town- -Buy Apollo 440- ................................................................. So Mike, you are a woman, married to a doctor,have two children, speak spanish, and living in the Peak District. Is that a fair description of you? BAZZA ................................................................. 14284 -- ------->>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access === Subject: MI5 Persecution: Continuing Silence 9/5/97 (15507) === Subject: The Continuing Silence Summary: Keywords: The silence continues. I am enjoying listening to Radio 4 without any ill effects whatsoever. Admittedly I am recording every moment, but still. Even better, I have fished out a recording from ITN last year which at the time I was convinced had been about me, and on re-seeing it I am now convinced it is not about me at all. But that is not to disclaim all the many live incidents that have happened. Everything written on my website is true. For the newcomers, its URL (as seen in the Observer and Private Eye) is ....................................................................... The silence continues. I am enjoying listening to Radio 4 without any ill > effects whatsoever. Already the New Labour govt improves the quality of life of the populace! -- Why not drop by my web page sometime? http://www.man.ac.uk/~zlsiida Manchester's cheapest poker game still needs more players - drop me a line if interested, or if you know another game that I might like. ....................................................................... Mike, you're a ray of sunshine on a cold and miserable day. Long may the silence continue. David -- Right that's enough junk mail. If you really want to e-mail me, remove the y from my address ....................................................................... >better, I have fished out a recording from ITN last year which at the time I >was convinced had been about me, and on re-seeing it I am now convinced it is >not about me at all. You've cheered me up with this news, Mike. Seriously. The last sentence suggests that your health is improving, and you are beginning to become pragmatic, in some way... Take a deep breath, and look to the future. I wish you well. Smid ....................................................................... 15507 -- ------->>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access === Subject: Re: HP 50G AC Power Supply On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:56:21 -0700, Claudio Lapilli >This is the one I got (tested), but any other should be OK: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo= 2205152&body=MAIN Claudio > I prefer USP hub with external power supply, like this one http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=158910 A.L. === Subject: Re: HP 50G AC Power Supply Cell phone chargers and iPod chargers are relatively expensive. The > 50G doesn't need that kind of current anyway. An alternate solution is > a 4-port USB hub with external power supply, it costs only 10 US > dollars and it allows you to actually use the USB port while powering > your calc. 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