A100



====
> COMO PODRIA HACER LO SIGUIENTE EN ML ??
>
> 1 2 3 4 -> 4 2 3 1
Sorry, I do not speak Spanish but this will do what you want.
It is quit a good example for ML, I think.
I reverses the stack order of any number of stack elements
( -> )
( ob1 ob2 ... obn -> obn ... ob2 ob1)
\CODE
SAVE
CD1EX
D1=C % point D1 and D0 to the Ŝrst stack level
D0=C
A=DAT0 A
?A=0 A -> EXIT % if 0 then no objects on stack
*TOP
D1+5 % point to next stack level
A=DAT1 A
?A#0 A -> TOP % do until top of stack
D1-5 % point to top stack level
*MAIN
A=DAT1 A % read highest object (level n)
C=DAT0 A % read lowest object (level 1)
DAT1=C A % swich them
DAT0=A A
D1-5 % point to level (n-1)
D0+5 % point to level 2
AD0EX
D0=A
CD1EX
D1=C
?A<C A -> MAIN % check if middle of stack is reached
*EXIT
LOADRPL % return to rpl
ENDCODE
@\
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> I reverses the stack order of any number of stack elements
Wouldnıt it be simpler to do:
<< ->LIST REVLIST OBJ-> DROP >>
--
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Kommunikationssysteme
====
> Wouldnıt it be simpler to do:
> << ->LIST REVLIST OBJ-> DROP >>
This is very slow because all three involved
UsrRPL commands are particularly slow if the
size of stack reversion is high. It nearly never
pays to program this in ML since the following
SysRPL program with 3 commands is much shorter,
really fast and error protected, in addition.
::
CKN (check for sufŜciently many stack objects)
reversym (reverse stack order of meta-object)
UNCOERCE (regain the real or zint in Level 1)
;
The stack diagram of this program is
ob1 ... obn %n -> obn ... ob1 %n
Brieŝy speaking, it reverses a user-meta-object.
- Wolfgang
PS. reversym is itself a SysRPL-program and uses
the meta-object commands pshzer and psh1&rev.
====
>
> I reverses the stack order of any number of stack elements
>
> Wouldnıt it be simpler to do:
>
> << ->LIST REVLIST OBJ-> DROP >>
Yep but that wouldnıt be in ASM now, would it?
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Peter Geelhoed schrieb:
>
>
>>Unfortunately I need the cumulative subtotals of the list,
not only the
>>total.
>>
>>But thanks anyway.
>
>
> Wou wonıt get rid of me that easily
>
> << DUP SIZE { } SWAP
> 1 SWAP
> FOR I
> OVER 1
> I SUB
> 0 +
> \\GSLIST +
> NEXT
> SWAP \\GSLIST
> /
>
>
> {1 2 3 4} -> {.1 .3 .6 1.}
>
> is that more like it?
>
>
>
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>
> Pivo
>
>
itıs me again. It works great. Any idea how to output the
subtotals ({1
2 3 4} -> {1 3 6 10} -> {.1 .3 .6 1.}) at the same time?
I tried several things but didnıt Ŝnd a good solution.
Georg.
====
> itıs me again. It works great. Any idea how to output the
subtotals ({1
> 2 3 4} -> {1 3 6 10} -> {.1 .3 .6 1.}) at the same time?
>
> I tried several things but didnıt Ŝnd a good solution.
>
of course: change the last SWAP to DUP ROT
<< DUP SIZE { } SWAP
1 SWAP
FOR I
OVER 1
I SUB
0 +
\\GSLIST +
NEXT
DUP ROT \\GSLIST
/ >>
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====
Thatıs what Iıve been looking for.
Georg.
Peter Geelhoed schrieb:
>
>
>>Unfortunately I need the cumulative subtotals of the list,
not only the
>>total.
>>
>>But thanks anyway.
>
>
> Wou wonıt get rid of me that easily
>
> << DUP SIZE { } SWAP
> 1 SWAP
> FOR I
> OVER 1
> I SUB
> 0 +
> \\GSLIST +
> NEXT
> SWAP \\GSLIST
> /
>
>
> {1 2 3 4} -> {.1 .3 .6 1.}
>
> is that more like it?
>
>
>
> --
> This message was written with 100% recycled electrons
>
> Pivo
>
>
>
====
> Unfortunately I need the cumulative subtotals of the list,
not only the
> total.
\Cumulative subtotals\? Example please?
====
Can someone tell me if:
1. There was ever a rechargeable battery pack for the HP41
series ?
2. If, so, where can I get one?
Mark.
====
There is even a small detachable recharger plug cover
on the side of the HP 41-series calculator.
If you take out the batteries you push it out to the left.
> Can someone tell me if:
>
> 1. There was ever a rechargeable battery pack for the HP41
series ?
>
> 2. If, so, where can I get one?
>
>
> Mark.
>
>
====
please look there: http://www.internationalcalculator.com/
they have all you need for your HP 41 CX.
Please excuse me for my bad english.
Wolfgang Arhelger
\MR\ <mark@ringrose.demon.co.uk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> Can someone tell me if:
>
> 1. There was ever a rechargeable battery pack for the HP41
series ?
>
> 2. If, so, where can I get one?
>
>
> Mark.
>
>
====
> Can someone tell me if:
>
> 1. There was ever a rechargeable battery pack for the HP41
series ?
>
> 2. If, so, where can I get one?
You might want to check at www.hpmuseum.org. Note that it has
\classiŜed ads\, sections on \Battery Packs & Chargers\ and
\Repairs \
&
Batteries\, and a searchable Forum with archive.
--
James
====
Iım not a 41 user, so I donıt know if you could use AA
rechargable \
batteries
with an external charger...
====
\R Lion\ <pitquim@NOSPAMyahoo.es> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> Iım not a 41 user, so I donıt know if you could use AA
rechargable
batteries
> with an external charger...
>
Yes, this works.
Back in 1981, I made my own recharger for this.
Raymond
====
>Can someone tell me if:
>
>1. There was ever a rechargeable battery pack for the HP41
series ?
>
>2. If, so, where can I get one?
>
>
>Mark.
>
1. Yes
2. I bought mine at the Penn State Book Store on Campus. (20
years ago)
Bill
alternate E-dress wtstorey@ieee.org.no.spam.please
(Use the obvious)
====
1. yes
2. good luck

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\Baboo\ <pawlrevere2@aol.comoicurax> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> 1. yes
>
> 2. good luck
>
Nowadays theıre often offered on eBay;-)
Raymond
====
Help (please)
On Sunday my HP41CX stopped working - the display no longer
comes on when I
press the ON key. I have tested the batteries and battery
holder from the
non-working calculator in my other, working 41CX, so I know
that they are
OK. The things I have tried since Sunday, to no avail, are:
1. Installed new batteries
2. Checked voltage across batteries when in the battery
holder to make
sure
3. Gently scraped the contacts inside the battery compartment
- there \
was
some oxidisation on a couple of the contacts
4. Swapped battery holders with the working HP41CX
The calculator was Ŝne until I removed the battery pack on
Sunday after I
got a low battery level warning \BAT\ on the (now
non-working) HP-41CX.
Since then nothing I have done will make the calculator turn
on.
Is there anything else that should be part of a routine check
?
Mark.
====
\MR\ <mark@ringrose.demon.co.uk> meinte
>On Sunday my HP41CX stopped working - the display no longer
comes on when \
I
>press the ON key. I have tested the batteries and battery
holder from the
>non-working calculator in my other, working 41CX, so I know
that they are
>OK. The things I have tried since Sunday, to no avail, are:
>
>1. Installed new batteries
>2. Checked voltage across batteries when in the battery
holder to make
>sure
>3. Gently scraped the contacts inside the battery
compartment - there \
was
>some oxidisation on a couple of the contacts
>4. Swapped battery holders with the working HP41CX
>
>The calculator was Ŝne until I removed the battery pack on
Sunday after I
>got a low battery level warning \BAT\ on the (now
non-working) HP-41CX.
>Since then nothing I have done will make the calculator turn
on.
I recall that i had similar propblems with my hp41C on very
rare
occasion. At last I had always been successful with holding
down
backspace when switching on. Downside is \Memory Loss\.
Sometimes it
needed several attempts.
HTH
G\.9fnter
====
leave batteries out for an extended period, say 24 hours.
that way all the
power is drained.

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====
Of what you hear believe nothing, of what you see only the
half. And
keep on hoping. ;-) (Old greek wisdom, or new greek crazyness
if you
like.)
Greetings,
Nick.
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>
> Somebody told me that in september, the new ROM was going
to be released. \
Is
> that true ? Iım eager for using the 1.19-7
>
> Bye.
> Leon.
>
>
>
>
>
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This unveriŜed information is a rumor,
but in the summer 2003 your dreams will come true.
X
> Somebody told me that in september, the new ROM was going
to be
released. Is
> that true ? Iım eager for using the 1.19-7
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2003 ?? Oh, my....... Iım taken aback.
Ok, Iıll go on dreaming. :-(
bye,
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> This unveriŜed information is a rumor,
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> This unveriŜed information is a rumor,
> but in the summer 2003 your dreams will come true.
what??... 2003 ???
:o(
Guenpovi
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Iım new to the 49, but Iıve been reading a lot about itıs
history. I
know that HP shut down itıs calculator development division,
and that
1.18 was the last ofŜcial Ŝrmware. Iıve upgraded to 1.19-6,
and so
far it looks great. Iım wondering who now \owns\ the 49
Ŝrmware code?
Is this the original code base from HP (1.18), or is it a
complete
rewrite? Are the original 49 developers still out there
(hpcalc.org,
Steve
====
> Iım new to the 49, but Iıve been reading a lot about itıs
history. I
> know that HP shut down itıs calculator development
division, and that
> 1.18 was the last ofŜcial Ŝrmware. Iıve upgraded to 1.19-6,
and so
> far it looks great. Iım wondering who now \owns\ the 49
Ŝrmware code?
> Is this the original code base from HP (1.18), or is it a
complete
> rewrite? Are the original 49 developers still out there
(hpcalc.org,
Itıs a bit of both.
The HP49 Ŝrmware is own by HP and license some part of it
(without owning
it) like :
The CAS (some is own by Bernard Parisse, and the rest by Mika
Heiskanen and
Claude-Nicolas Fechter)
Christian Bourgeois
====
>
> Iım new to the 49, but Iıve been reading a lot about itıs
history. I
> know that HP shut down itıs calculator development
division, and that
> 1.18 was the last ofŜcial Ŝrmware. Iıve upgraded to 1.19-6,
and so
> far it looks great. Iım wondering who now \owns\ the 49
Ŝrmware \
code?
> Is this the original code base from HP (1.18), or is it a
complete
> rewrite? Are the original 49 developers still out there
(hpcalc.org,
>
> Itıs a bit of both.
> The HP49 Ŝrmware is own by HP and license some part of it
(without \
owning
> it) like :
> The CAS (some is own by Bernard Parisse, and the rest by
Mika Heiskanen \
and
> Claude-Nicolas Fechter)
> Christian Bourgeois
>
And what about the rest of the Œintellectualı guts of the
machine? The
ROM and micro-code which does the unit conversions, the
multiplication/stack handling etc...?
Just curious...and wondering whether there is sufŜcient
material
Geoff
====
Perhaps somebody can be interested in little programs for the
15c (Iım \
sure,
easily portable to other models)
Sure they arenıt good programs from the point of view of a
programmer, but
theyıre small and do the work...
Triangle solver (sides-> angles&area) - 22 lines
Quadratic equation (real and complex solutions) - 25 lines
Entering statistic data with frequencies (traditional lack in
hp
calculators) - 23 lines
Z-ConŜdence interval for mean - 13 lines
Z-ConŜdence interval for proportion - 23 lines
(also, two little programs for sample size)
Binomial distribution - 19 lines
Iıve written two programs, Normal distribution and inverse
Normal
distribution, that actually I donıt use because their memory
and time
consuming.
smaller and/or quicker Iıll be happy if you send them to me.
====
How to I view a whole number with out the calc(49G) showing
it in \
scientiŜc
notation. For example I want to see the whole 15 digit number
for 2^50.
Jamie
====
Iım not sure what you want, but here we go:
1)
Check that [MODE] |CAS| _ Approx is un-checked.
The Header should show something like:
RAD XYZ HEX R= instead of R~
or
DEG R<< DEC C= instead of C~
depending on your other mode settings.
Note that there is a keyboard shortcut to change between ~/=
Hold down [Right-Shift] while pressing [ENTER]
or shortly: [RS]&[->NUM]
2a)
Do not use a decimal point in your integer calculations:
RPN: 2 50 [Y^x]
ALG: 2^50 [ENTER]
EQW: 2^50 [Up-Arrow] [UA] |EVAL| (on key [F4] )
2b)
You could use #binary integer with multiplication...
I hope this helped you.
> How to I view a whole number with out the calc(49G) showing
it in
scientiŜc
> notation. For example I want to see the whole 15 digit
number for 2^50.
>
> Jamie
>
>
====
I own both a HP49G and a TI83+. With the TI I can graph a
function, turn on
trace, and then enter a value for x and it tells me what y
is. How is this
done with the 49G?
====
> I own both a HP49G and a TI83+. With the TI I can graph a
function, turn \
on
> trace, and then enter a value for x and it tells me what y
is. How is \
this
> done with the 49G?
>
>
What Michael ask is how to know the Y value for X.
Once you have entered your equation, press VAR.
Input you value for X and use \F\ corresponding to your
function (Y1, Y2
..etc) and admire the result !
Matthias Lopez
====
When in graph mode press F3 \trac\ and use right and left
cursor to move
point.
ed
> I own both a HP49G and a TI83+. With the TI I can graph a
function, turn
on
> trace, and then enter a value for x and it tells me what y
is. How is \
this
> done with the 49G?
>
>
====
Back in 1980ıs there was an HP-41 module based on a book
called \Beat The
Racetrack\ by Dr William Ziemba (Dr. Z). Does anyone have one
that they \
want
to sell (in North America), or know of an HP-41 or HP-48
program to predict
winners of horse races?
====
http://www.watertightcase.com/3000series.html
it shpuld work
they are also sold in the UK
====
http://jewel.morgan.edu/~rcobo/cgg/hpcase.jpg
it is very strong. it can be locked with a padlock too.
> http://www.watertightcase.com/3000series.html
>
> it shpuld work
> they are also sold in the UK
>
====
Errk Itıs ugly. I prefer the real original HP48 one..
My 0.02?
--
Julien (Sunhp) Meyer
Lead Programmer of Jadeware (C) 1998/2002.
639cb51.0209032237.232588ce@posting.google.com...
> http://www.watertightcase.com/3000series.html
>
> it shpuld work
> they are also sold in the UK
>
====
I use a metallic school childrenıs pencil case to hold my
HPıs.
They Ŝt perfectly with a minimum of slack.
Some foam and even the Finnish post-ofŜce can not destroy my
HP.
> Errk Itıs ugly. I prefer the real original HP48 one..
>
> My 0.02?
> --
> Julien (Sunhp) Meyer
> Lead Programmer of Jadeware (C) 1998/2002.
>
> 639cb51.0209032237.232588ce@posting.google.com...
> http://www.watertightcase.com/3000series.html
>
> it shpuld work
> they are also sold in the UK
>
>
>
====
> I use a metallic school childrenıs pencil case to hold my
HPıs.
> They Ŝt perfectly with a minimum of slack.
> Some foam and even the Finnish post-ofŜce can not destroy
my HP.
yes, but it doesnıt ŝoat!
just kidding, he he.
the real test is in my school backpack. if it survives there,
then it
is made of good stuff.
====
Well, I got them (from PowerOn, 800-673-6227) yesterday.
The 39g is in the standard bubble pack.
The 49g just comes with a User Guide in a plastic bag
with no cable, warranty card, or anything else.
The serial number is ID 94701476 and the rom version is 1.10.
My next step is to try to install 19.6.
BTW, tax was $12.14 and shipping was $8.00,
for a total price for both of $128.13.
Martin Cohen
====
http://news.com.com/2100-1040-956357.html?tag=fd_top
\The Greek government has banned all electronic games across
the
country, including those that run on home computers, on Game
Boy-style
portable consoles, and on mobile phones. Thousands of
tourists in
Greece are unknowingly facing heavy Ŝnes or long terms in
prison for
owning mobile phones or portable video games.\
club is here to stay.
====
hitted the submit key twice. (Wrath!!!)
> http://news.com.com/2100-1040-956357.html?tag=fd_top
>
> \The Greek government has banned all electronic games
across the
> country, including those that run on home computers, on
Game Boy-style
> portable consoles, and on mobile phones. Thousands of
tourists in
> Greece are unknowingly facing heavy Ŝnes or long terms in
prison for
> owning mobile phones or portable video games.\
I donıt know if I should lough or cry...Iıll do both.
First the cry with wrath against the idiots called
\politicians\ in
Greece. The word \you\ in the following paragraphs is
directly aimed
to those idiots.
- You, the higher ups politicians in Greece who continue
ignoring
human rights, decided to protect people by banning computer
games this
time, instead of banning the misery in education and
corruption.
Perhaps because the latter would mean that you would bann
yourselfs.
One could have understanding if you have decided banning
games that
deal with violence and killing, though this would be also
very short
sighted, because the reasons for playing such games are
burried much
much deeper than the surface that you, the ignorants, just
scratch.
Remember, when you decide against the will of people next
time, you
were (unfortunately) born in Greece, the land where direct
democracy
was also born. No Greek, including you the idiots, has the
right to
put such a dirt on the only things that we, greeks, have to
rely on
and be proud of. We donıt possess the millions that you have
eaten up
in your political carrier, we donıt have the luxury that you
live in,
thieving and lying all your lives. The only thing that we
have is the
knowledge of what Greece has given to the world. Exactly
those ideals
that you shamelessly f**cked up beyond recognition.
In addition:
\Der Mensch spielt nur, wo er in voller Bedeutung des Wortes
Mensch
ist, und er ist nur da ganz Mensch, wo er spielt.\
---------Friedrich von Schiller
Trans: \A human plays only there, where he/she is human in
the whole
sence of the word. And he/she is only there totally human,
where
he/she plays.\
You politicians ignored one more time the
political/historical present
that was given to the world by the Greeks without ever asking
anything
to return. But not only this. You also ignored the just this
\being
human in the whole sence of the word\. And you did this in a
place
where the dream of life was dreamed in one of its most
beautiful
version.
Still in addition:
-Playing computer games results in programming better ones,
and to
program better games is one of the things that push inovation
to
higher degrees. Only ignorants would want to prevent the
people from
thinking about new algorithms and new methods for
programming. You,
the ignorants who live permanently outside any development in
our
world, want to prevent inovation and thinking? Go on, you are
not
going to change anything for the better.
Still, still in addition:
-When next summer the number of tourists in Greece goes
towards 0,
youıll have to change your \law\ again. Or have a small
revolution of
all people who earn for living from tourism. And greek
revolutions are
*not* that peaceful at all. ;-)
And now the lough with sarcasm taken to the endth degree.
\You\ means
again the political idiots in Greece.
- You so called \politicians\ in Greece, have totally lost
the contact
to your own people and the contact to everyday life. Do you
really
think that forbidding games will prevent anybody, especially
the
youngsters, playing games? Didnıt you idiots notice that
ignoring a
Greek, just has the result of having him ignoring you ten
times more?
Do you want to have one more law that nobody cares about?
Dinıt you
notice that kids go their own ways, and if you push too hard,
they do
things they wouldnıt do otherwise? Do you really think that
anybody in
Greece would just take that command of yours and act
accordingly only
because you can stand a couple of steps higher and shout
about your
political \efforts\? Hunderds of years in slavery were not
enough to
let the wish of Greeks for freedom vanish. Do you think that
you are
going to manage doing that in a few days? If you do, and it
seems like
you do, then youıre going to get very very very bad news. We
have
withstanded much harder situations. We only have a tired
smile for
you, the wannabe patriarchs. You *will* dance to our rhythm,
sooner or
later.
> club is here to stay.
You bet it is. I never programmed games for the calcs but now
perhaps
Iıll do and Iıll send them to any friend in Greece that has
an HP.
Mwahahahahaaa, they want criminals? Theyıre gonna get them!
Gamings,
Nick.
P.S:
\Es ist, als ob unsere Zivilisation den Anblick des
Spielenden nicht
mehr ertragen k\.9anne, weil sie in seinem zweckfreien Tun
eine Form der
Freiheit wittert, die ihr Konzept st\.9art.\
-----Friedrich Sieburg
Trans: \It is as if our civilization can no more stand the
sight of a
playing human, because this civilization smells a form of
freedom in
the purposeless doing of a game, that disturbs the very
concepts of
the civilization.
====
> I donıt know if I should lough or cry...Iıll do both.
he, he. iıll join you.
> First the cry with wrath against the idiots called
\politicians\ in
> Greece. The word \you\ in the following paragraphs is
directly aimed
> to those idiots.
wherever you go, you Ŝnd more or less the same. sometimes
(like here)
they get away with stuff like this (but not for too long).
> - You, the higher ups politicians in Greece who continue
ignoring
> human rights, decided to protect people by banning computer
games this
> time, instead of banning the misery in education and
corruption.
> Perhaps because the latter would mean that you would bann
yourselfs.
> One could have understanding if you have decided banning
games that
> deal with violence and killing, though this would be also
very short
> sighted, because the reasons for playing such games are
burried much
> much deeper than the surface that you, the ignorants, just
scratch.
> Remember, when you decide against the will of people next
time, you
> were (unfortunately) born in Greece, the land where direct
democracy
> was also born. No Greek, including you the idiots, has the
right to
> put such a dirt on the only things that we, greeks, have to
rely on
> and be proud of. We donıt possess the millions that you
have eaten up
> in your political carrier, we donıt have the luxury that
you live in,
> thieving and lying all your lives. The only thing that we
have is the
> knowledge of what Greece has given to the world. Exactly
those ideals
> that you shamelessly f**cked up beyond recognition.
>
> In addition:
> \Der Mensch spielt nur, wo er in voller Bedeutung des
Wortes Mensch
> ist, und er ist nur da ganz Mensch, wo er spielt.\
> ---------Friedrich von Schiller
> Trans: \A human plays only there, where he/she is human in
the whole
> sence of the word. And he/she is only there totally human,
where
> he/she plays.\
> You politicians ignored one more time the
political/historical present
> that was given to the world by the Greeks without ever
asking anything
> to return. But not only this. You also ignored the just
this \being
> human in the whole sence of the word\. And you did this in
a place
> where the dream of life was dreamed in one of its most
beautiful
> version.
>
> Still in addition:
> -Playing computer games results in programming better ones,
and to
> program better games is one of the things that push
inovation to
> higher degrees. Only ignorants would want to prevent the
people from
> thinking about new algorithms and new methods for
programming. You,
> the ignorants who live permanently outside any development
in our
> world, want to prevent inovation and thinking? Go on, you
are not
> going to change anything for the better.
>
> Still, still in addition:
> -When next summer the number of tourists in Greece goes
towards 0,
> youıll have to change your \law\ again. Or have a small
revolution of
> all people who earn for living from tourism. And greek
revolutions are
> *not* that peaceful at all. ;-)
>
>
> And now the lough with sarcasm taken to the endth degree.
\You\ means
> again the political idiots in Greece.
>
> - You so called \politicians\ in Greece, have totally lost
the contact
> to your own people and the contact to everyday life. Do you
really
> think that forbidding games will prevent anybody,
especially the
> youngsters, playing games? Didnıt you idiots notice that
ignoring a
> Greek, just has the result of having him ignoring you ten
times more?
> Do you want to have one more law that nobody cares about?
Dinıt you
> notice that kids go their own ways, and if you push too
hard, they do
> things they wouldnıt do otherwise? Do you really think that
anybody in
> Greece would just take that command of yours and act
accordingly only
> because you can stand a couple of steps higher and shout
about your
> political \efforts\? Hunderds of years in slavery were not
enough to
> let the wish of Greeks for freedom vanish. Do you think
that you are
> going to manage doing that in a few days? If you do, and it
seems like
> you do, then youıre going to get very very very bad news.
We have
> withstanded much harder situations. We only have a tired
smile for
> you, the wannabe patriarchs. You *will* dance to our
rhythm, sooner or
> later.
>
> club is here to stay.
>
> You bet it is. I never programmed games for the calcs but
now perhaps
> Iıll do and Iıll send them to any friend in Greece that has
an HP.
> Mwahahahahaaa, they want criminals? Theyıre gonna get them!
the NK revenge! ( add me too the team )
hey. one Greek student could make a security program in the
HP49G so
that only he could access the Ŝle system and the games (with
password) :) if they get the HP49G, just play dummy (or make
stealh
games that do not show up on Ŝle system). if the Greek gov
wants to
Ŝnd out they would have to post a message here to try to
Ŝgure it
out he, he. he could load it to hpcalc as a historical
program (the
2002 Greek revolution).
> Gamings,
> Nick.
>
> P.S:
> \Es ist, als ob unsere Zivilisation den Anblick des
Spielenden nicht
> mehr ertragen k\.9anne, weil sie in seinem zweckfreien Tun
eine Form der
> Freiheit wittert, die ihr Konzept st\.9art.\
>
> -----Friedrich Sieburg
>
> Trans: \It is as if our civilization can no more stand the
sight of a
> playing human, because this civilization smells a form of
freedom in
> the purposeless doing of a game, that disturbs the very
concepts of
> the civilization.
Greekings.
====
>
> I donıt know if I should lough or cry...Iıll do both.
>
> he, he. iıll join you.
>
>
> First the cry with wrath against the idiots called
\politicians\ in
> Greece. The word \you\ in the following paragraphs is
directly aimed
> to those idiots.
>
> wherever you go, you Ŝnd more or less the same. sometimes
(like here)
> they get away with stuff like this (but not for too long).
>
But Newsweek has already rated it to be even dirter than the
Belousconi-Government. I mean, can you imagine what could be
even
dirtier? I thought that he and his team were the top of all
possible
corruption, as they have all power in their hands. (They even
sell out
old Roman culture.) But no! The Greek government proved me
wrong. It
is possible to be even more corrupted. How much corruption is
necessary to outperfome Belousconi? For heavenıs sake!
> club is here to stay.
>
> You bet it is. I never programmed games for the calcs but
now perhaps
> Iıll do and Iıll send them to any friend in Greece that has
an HP.
> Mwahahahahaaa, they want criminals? Theyıre gonna get them!
>
> the NK revenge! ( add me too the team )
OK! The highly explosive kernel of the team has just taken
form. :-)
> hey. one Greek student could make a security program in the
HP49G so
> that only he could access the Ŝle system and the games (with
> password) :)
Yes, but a password with greek letters. Or perhaps chinese?
;-)
>if they get the HP49G, just play dummy (or make stealh
> games that do not show up on Ŝle system). if the Greek gov
wants to
> Ŝnd out they would have to post a message here to try to
Ŝgure it
> out he, he. he could load it to hpcalc as a historical
program (the
> 2002 Greek revolution).
Yeah, and then make a program that detects the presence of
greek gov
members and sends the Trabakoulas-Virus to their calcs.
For those about to play, I salute you,
Nick.
====
I think you might have missed the point. Grece has a huge
problem with
gambeling and money machines (ie: these casino electronic
games stuff), and
they declared that 1: they are not able to distinguish
between video game
and gambeling games and 2) that peoples are using normal
video games for
gambeling purposes... This is why they descided to ban every
game... a
little like the prohibition in the US, because peoples could
get drunk with
any type of alcohol, they even banned wine! how shamefull!
> hitted the submit key twice. (Wrath!!!)
>
> http://news.com.com/2100-1040-956357.html?tag=fd_top
>
> \The Greek government has banned all electronic games
across the
> country, including those that run on home computers, on
Game Boy-style
> portable consoles, and on mobile phones. Thousands of
tourists in
> Greece are unknowingly facing heavy Ŝnes or long terms in
prison for
> owning mobile phones or portable video games.\
>
> I donıt know if I should lough or cry...Iıll do both.
>
> First the cry with wrath against the idiots called
\politicians\ in
> Greece. The word \you\ in the following paragraphs is
directly aimed
> to those idiots.
>
> - You, the higher ups politicians in Greece who continue
ignoring
> human rights, decided to protect people by banning computer
games this
> time, instead of banning the misery in education and
corruption.
> Perhaps because the latter would mean that you would bann
yourselfs.
> One could have understanding if you have decided banning
games that
> deal with violence and killing, though this would be also
very short
> sighted, because the reasons for playing such games are
burried much
> much deeper than the surface that you, the ignorants, just
scratch.
> Remember, when you decide against the will of people next
time, you
> were (unfortunately) born in Greece, the land where direct
democracy
> was also born. No Greek, including you the idiots, has the
right to
> put such a dirt on the only things that we, greeks, have to
rely on
> and be proud of. We donıt possess the millions that you
have eaten up
> in your political carrier, we donıt have the luxury that
you live in,
> thieving and lying all your lives. The only thing that we
have is the
> knowledge of what Greece has given to the world. Exactly
those ideals
> that you shamelessly f**cked up beyond recognition.
>
> In addition:
> \Der Mensch spielt nur, wo er in voller Bedeutung des
Wortes Mensch
> ist, und er ist nur da ganz Mensch, wo er spielt.\
> ---------Friedrich von Schiller
> Trans: \A human plays only there, where he/she is human in
the whole
> sence of the word. And he/she is only there totally human,
where
> he/she plays.\
> You politicians ignored one more time the
political/historical present
> that was given to the world by the Greeks without ever
asking anything
> to return. But not only this. You also ignored the just
this \being
> human in the whole sence of the word\. And you did this in
a place
> where the dream of life was dreamed in one of its most
beautiful
> version.
>
> Still in addition:
> -Playing computer games results in programming better ones,
and to
> program better games is one of the things that push
inovation to
> higher degrees. Only ignorants would want to prevent the
people from
> thinking about new algorithms and new methods for
programming. You,
> the ignorants who live permanently outside any development
in our
> world, want to prevent inovation and thinking? Go on, you
are not
> going to change anything for the better.
>
> Still, still in addition:
> -When next summer the number of tourists in Greece goes
towards 0,
> youıll have to change your \law\ again. Or have a small
revolution of
> all people who earn for living from tourism. And greek
revolutions are
> *not* that peaceful at all. ;-)
>
>
> And now the lough with sarcasm taken to the endth degree.
\You\ means
> again the political idiots in Greece.
>
> - You so called \politicians\ in Greece, have totally lost
the contact
> to your own people and the contact to everyday life. Do you
really
> think that forbidding games will prevent anybody,
especially the
> youngsters, playing games? Didnıt you idiots notice that
ignoring a
> Greek, just has the result of having him ignoring you ten
times more?
> Do you want to have one more law that nobody cares about?
Dinıt you
> notice that kids go their own ways, and if you push too
hard, they do
> things they wouldnıt do otherwise? Do you really think that
anybody in
> Greece would just take that command of yours and act
accordingly only
> because you can stand a couple of steps higher and shout
about your
> political \efforts\? Hunderds of years in slavery were not
enough to
> let the wish of Greeks for freedom vanish. Do you think
that you are
> going to manage doing that in a few days? If you do, and it
seems like
> you do, then youıre going to get very very very bad news.
We have
> withstanded much harder situations. We only have a tired
smile for
> you, the wannabe patriarchs. You *will* dance to our
rhythm, sooner or
> later.
>
> club is here to stay.
>
> You bet it is. I never programmed games for the calcs but
now perhaps
> Iıll do and Iıll send them to any friend in Greece that has
an HP.
> Mwahahahahaaa, they want criminals? Theyıre gonna get them!
>
> Gamings,
> Nick.
>
> P.S:
> \Es ist, als ob unsere Zivilisation den Anblick des
Spielenden nicht
> mehr ertragen k\.9anne, weil sie in seinem zweckfreien Tun
eine Form der
> Freiheit wittert, die ihr Konzept st\.9art.\
>
> -----Friedrich Sieburg
>
> Trans: \It is as if our civilization can no more stand the
sight of a
> playing human, because this civilization smells a form of
freedom in
> the purposeless doing of a game, that disturbs the very
concepts of
> the civilization.
====
>
> I think you might have missed the point. Grece has a huge
problem with
> gambeling and money machines (ie: these casino electronic
games stuff), \
and
> they declared that 1: they are not able to distinguish
between video game
> and gambeling games and 2) that peoples are using normal
video games for
> gambeling purposes... This is why they descided to ban
every game... a
> little like the prohibition in the US, because peoples
could get drunk \
with
> any type of alcohol, they even banned wine! how shamefull!
>
>
and for the Greek Government. But, on the one hand even if
the amount
of money being spent for games is so huge, hey! Itıs *the
peopleıs*
money. If they want, theyıll should be able to throw that out
of the
window. And on the other hand, nobody in the government seems
to care
that an even bigger amount of money gets \lost\ in the
pockets of our
politicians. And as you say, such \prohibitions\ have always
done
exactly the opposite than that that was intended. Our
\politicians\
should have sufŜcient knowledge of history to know that. But
what can
you expect when the highest positions in Greek government are
occupied
by the least educated?
Greetings,
Nick.
====
> and for the Greek Government. But, on the one hand even if
the amount
> of money being spent for games is so huge, hey! Itıs *the
peopleıs*
> money. If they want, theyıll should be able to throw that
out of the
> window.
Well, I have to disegree with that..
You have your normal gambelers, and these ones should be
allow to keep \
doing
so, but you have also the Œdruggedı ones, the ones that can
not stop, and
they are throwing their familly money away, resulting in
devastation of the
familly, lake of education, food and all the rest, and you
also have even
worst cases of lost of responsability, a couple of years ago
in australia, \
a
women went for a Œquikyı and left out the one handed bandit a
couple of
hours later, handcuffed! she had just Œforgotı her 1 year old
daughter to
bake in the car with an outside temperature of over 40! \
and this should not
be allowed!
====
>
> and for the Greek Government. But, on the one hand even if
the amount
> of money being spent for games is so huge, hey! Itıs *the
peopleıs*
> money. If they want, theyıll should be able to throw that
out of the
> window.
>
> Well, I have to disegree with that..
Yeah, and thatıs good. Disagreement and discussion, the main
reasons
for creation of new things :-)
> You have your normal gambelers, and these ones should be
allow to keep \
doing
> so, but you have also the Œdruggedı ones, the ones that can
not stop, and
> they are throwing their familly money away, resulting in
devastation of \
the
> familly, lake of education, food and all the rest, and you
also have even
> worst cases of lost of responsability, a couple of years
ago in australia, \
a
> women went for a Œquikyı and left out the one handed bandit
a couple of
> hours later, handcuffed! she had just Œforgotı her 1 year
old daughter to
> bake in the car with an outside temperature of over 40! \
and this should not
> be allowed!
>
But Cyrille, Ŝrst of all, who decides what is a \normal
gabler\? The
government who still gambles with the lifes of millions of
people? The
common mind? The laws? In other words, whoıs gonna control the
controllers?
In addition: In your example the bad thing was not that that
woman
played. The bad thing was that she forgot her daughter.
Thatıs two
different pairs of shoes. If she had only played, for hours
for weeks,
even for years, but without hurting anybody, except perhaps
herself,
then nobody on this world would have the right to say
anything bad
about her, any even less to punish her for the game. One
could try in
this hypothetical case to help her, driven by human sympathy
but to
punish her because she just lose her whole money in games,
well,
thatıs too much for me.
Anyway, keep on disagreeing. Or esle we have all one opinion,
and that
will be (for me) the end of life. (You do your best to keep
my alive,
it seems ;-)
Greetings,
Nick.
Reply-To: \Veli-Pekka Nousiainen\ <DROP_vpn@welho.com>
====
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2122118,00.html
Ahhhh !!!
The Greeks are indeed incompatible with Greeks!
====
> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2122118,00.html
> Ahhhh !!!
> The Greeks are indeed incompatible with Greeks!
It would be easier to count what the Greeks are compatible
with. The
sequence of such things that Greeks are compatible to, breaks
at n=0.
;-)
A text passage from the above link:
\Nobody from the members of the parliament realised or could
foresee
the effects that this would have for PC games, Internet games
and game
consoles, simply because they are not familiar with that side
of
technology\
Now imagine what idiots are in our gov, when they didnıt even
realized
what computer and communication technology means in our days.
These
ignorants have the fate of approx. 10 millions people in
their hands.
WAKE UP GREEK POLITICIANS, WE LIVE IN 2002!!!!
Nick.
====
> they are throwing their familly money away, resulting in
devastation of
the
> familly, lake of education, food and all the rest, and you
also have even
> worst cases of lost of responsability, a couple of years
ago in \
australia,
a
> women went for a Œquikyı and left out the one handed bandit
a couple of
> hours later, handcuffed! she had just Œforgotı her 1 year
old daughter to
> bake in the car with an outside temperature of over 40! \
and this should
not
> be allowed!
but this is not allowed already, why do you think she
ended-up handcuffed ?
You have to stop thinking that the government should act as
the ultimate
authority and the father of all, showing the guidance to its
people. There
are limits that must be followed.
If you always assume that what the government is doing is for
your own good
and that you should follow him blindly, you end-up like in
pre-WW2 and Nazi
Germany with a whole population following blindly because
some highly \
placed
morons said so.
Banning has NEVER been a solution and has never solved a
problem (and there
are hundreds of examples).
There are many ways to stop this kind of extreme examples to
happen. For
example, gambling companies could be held liable if anybody
becomes \
addicted
to their services and commit a crime by negligence.
You may dislike gambling (and I do too), but banning it will
just make
need of people to gamble.
And remember also that no laws can prevent human stupidity.
You also seem to give too much credit to the Greek
government. The fact \
that
they passed a law to ban any games as little to do with their
will to help
people and make them stop gambling. All they wanted to
achieve was to stop
secure and reliable way for a government to make money easily
(like legal
gambling) and you will see if this (supposed to be) so kind
government will
ban it.
====
There are always idiots in any society and people who should
have been
sterilised rather than allowing them to have children. Just
because she
happened to choose this particular method to abuse her
children is a
condemnation of her not of the method. Should we ban alcohol
because a
few people become alcoholics?
>
>
>>they are throwing their familly money away, resulting in
devastation of
>>
> the
>
>>familly, lake of education, food and all the rest, and you
also have even
>>worst cases of lost of responsability, a couple of years
ago in \
australia,
>>
> a
>
>>women went for a Œquikyı and left out the one handed bandit
a couple of
>>hours later, handcuffed! she had just Œforgotı her 1 year
old daughter to
>>bake in the car with an outside temperature of over 40! \
and this should
>>
> not
>
>>be allowed!
>>
>
> but this is not allowed already, why do you think she
ended-up handcuffed \
?
>
> You have to stop thinking that the government should act as
the ultimate
> authority and the father of all, showing the guidance to
its people. \
There
> are limits that must be followed.
> If you always assume that what the government is doing is
for your own \
good
> and that you should follow him blindly, you end-up like in
pre-WW2 and \
Nazi
> Germany with a whole population following blindly because
some highly \
placed
> morons said so.
>
> Banning has NEVER been a solution and has never solved a
problem (and \
there
> are hundreds of examples).
> There are many ways to stop this kind of extreme examples
to happen. For
> example, gambling companies could be held liable if anybody
becomes \
addicted
> to their services and commit a crime by negligence.
> You may dislike gambling (and I do too), but banning it
will just make
> need of people to gamble.
>
> And remember also that no laws can prevent human stupidity.
>
> You also seem to give too much credit to the Greek
government. The fact \
that
> they passed a law to ban any games as little to do with
their will to \
help
> people and make them stop gambling. All they wanted to
achieve was to \
stop
> secure and reliable way for a government to make money
easily (like legal
> gambling) and you will see if this (supposed to be) so kind
government \
will
> ban it.
>
>
>
>
====
> Should we ban alcohol because a
> few people become alcoholics?
Or ban cars, because they unfortunately quite often are in
the hands of
irresponsible people, who are a huge danger, not only to
themselves, but
also to other people and their property - not to talk about
the economical
strain they put on a society.
No, banning is rarely the right choice...
====
> Or ban cars, because they unfortunately quite often are in
the hands of
> irresponsible people, who are a huge danger, not only to
themselves, but
As of today, I would vote that we ban doors as well after one
nastily tried
to crunch my hand.
Obviously, if doors (and probably windows too) didnıt exist
such accident
wouldnıt happen.
It would also drop the \break-in robbery\ counts by a
signiŜcant factor \
as
there would be nothing to break anymore to get in.
Plastic bags should also be ban, you can suffocate if you put
one on top of
your head. Sure you usually see signs and notes saying that a
plastic bag \
is
not a toy, but how is a 4 years old child going to read the
warnings if he
canıt read ?
Baseball bat should be ban, it seems that in the US more and
more people
(including 13 and 14 year old kids) are using them to beat to
death their
abusing father.
\The world is a huge playground for idiots\
====
> \The world is a huge playground for idiots\
Yes, and it gets quite dangerous when they decide to do
serious work ;-)
Greetings,
Nick.
====
> Should we ban alcohol because a
> few people become alcoholics?
>
> Or ban cars, because they unfortunately quite often are in
the hands of
> irresponsible people, who are a huge danger, not only to
themselves, but
> also to other people and their property - not to talk about
the \
economical
> strain they put on a society.
>
> No, banning is rarely the right choice...
>
I think smoking should be banned...
This way, people who smoke will pay a lot for bad quality
cigarettes, so \
they will
die poorer and younger and at last Iıll be able to enjoy a
walk without \
losing a
lung.
Hey, Iım in superb form, tonight!
Seriously, now, and more on topic, whatıs the status of HP48
in 49 in \
Greece, since
thereıs heaps of games for them?
Gerald.
====
>>>Should we ban alcohol because a
>>>few people become alcoholics?
>>>
>>
>>No, banning is rarely the right choice...
>>
> I think smoking should be banned...
> This way, people who smoke will pay a lot for bad quality
cigarettes, so \
they will
> die poorer and younger and at last Iıll be able to enjoy a
walk without \
losing a
> lung.
I donıt think weıre going to have to ban cigarettes. There
was a
(by someone whoıs opinion counts) that a case could be made
for the
companies to be charged with multiple counts of murder. The
premise
being that they are now being legally judged responsible and
they didnıt
have any less information 20 years ago and so, legally,
theyıve been
continuing to supply a substance that they knew was deadly.
Considering
there have been 800,000 deaths in Australia alone since 1950
and
continue at 50/day, that makes a lot of murder indictments.
====
>>>Should we ban alcohol because a
>>>few people become alcoholics?
Yes, because *I* donıt drink
> I think smoking should be banned...
Yes, because, _I_ donıt smoke
Games?
Yes, because I donıt play (that often)
Cars?
Yes, because I donıt own one
BUT
seriously folks:
that is put in to the users upper lip.
You may still buy it from Sweden or from tax-free shops
on air-ports or on ships
They should have done the opposite!
Why?
Cigar/Cigarette smoke goes to other persons lungs, too.
Thatıs the only thing that I would ban and with a reason!
Veli-Pekka
====
>
> I think you might have missed the point. Grece has a huge
problem with
> gambeling and money machines (ie: these casino electronic
games stuff),
and
> they declared that 1: they are not able to distinguish
between video game
> and gambeling games and 2) that peoples are using normal
video games for
> gambeling purposes... This is why they descided to ban
every game... a
> little like the prohibition in the US, because peoples
could get drunk
with
> any type of alcohol, they even banned wine! how shamefull!
How come on!... How can it be ever possible to justify such a
dumb law. Did
the prohibition achieved anything ? It was a period of crime
at its peak.
This is not just gaming, itıs part of education. Are you
telling me that \
all
Game is part of education, itıs the best way to learn and it
probably the
way people have been learning from the beginning of human
kind.
Why do you think teachers are always trying to make what they
are teaching
\FUN?\ because thatıs the only way a kid will ever learn.
I doubt this law will stay forever, itıs the most stupid
thing I have EVER
heard (except maybe each time Mr G. W. Bush open its mouth)
====
> How come on!... How can it be ever possible to justify such
a dumb law. \
Did
> the prohibition achieved anything ? It was a period of
crime at its peak.
I wonder why!? But actually, prohibition *did* reduce the
overall
consumption of alcohol in the US by a LOT. It did what it was
designed to do.. but it also had some undesired side
effects.. which
Iım guessing is a big part of why they got rid of it!
> This is not just gaming, itıs part of education. Are you
telling me that \
all
> Game is part of education, itıs the best way to learn and
it probably the
> way people have been learning from the beginning of human
kind.
> Why do you think teachers are always trying to make what
they are \
teaching
> \FUN?\ because thatıs the only way a kid will ever learn.
Youıd have to imagine what they were trying to accomplish was
something different than what it ended up being. It seems
like one of
those \punish all for the crimes of a few\. It was the same
thing
that happened in the United States with prohibition.. of
course it was
also part of a religous movement at the time that ended up
taking
things to an extreme. I think this falls in the category:
\ideas that
have good intent but dont turn out that way because they are
simlpy
impractical.\
> I doubt this law will stay forever, itıs the most stupid
thing I have \
EVER
> heard
Iıve heard more stupid things, but Iıd tend to agree with
you. I
wonder if \games\ also includes \competitions\ such as the
Olympic
\games\. Imagine if Greece no longer participated in the
Olympics..
wouldnıt that be the ultimate irony!?
Aaron
====
>
>
> I think you might have missed the point. Grece has a huge
problem with
> gambeling and money machines (ie: these casino electronic
games stuff),
> and
> they declared that 1: they are not able to distinguish
between video \
game
> and gambeling games and 2) that peoples are using normal
video games \
for
> gambeling purposes... This is why they descided to ban
every game... a
> little like the prohibition in the US, because peoples
could get drunk
> with
> any type of alcohol, they even banned wine! how shamefull!
>
> How come on!... How can it be ever possible to justify such
a dumb law. \
Did
> the prohibition achieved anything ? It was a period of
crime at its peak.
Yep!
> This is not just gaming, itıs part of education. Are you
telling me that \
all
> Game is part of education, itıs the best way to learn and
it probably the
> way people have been learning from the beginning of human
kind.
> Why do you think teachers are always trying to make what
they are \
teaching
> \FUN?\ because thatıs the only way a kid will ever learn.
Exactly!
> I doubt this law will stay forever, itıs the most stupid
thing I have \
EVER
> heard (except maybe each time Mr G. W. Bush open its mouth)
Mon capitaine!
With all my respect I may disagree with you about Mr. Bush
being able
to outperform the stupidity of our government. After all we
must have
something in Greece that keeps the world record. Even if this
something is the most dumb laws in the whole universe! ;-)
(Believe me there are much more laws of this kind in Greece)
Greetings,
Nick.
====
Iıve many Greek customers who bought me our computer games at
Jadeware, \
what
about if they canıt play it anymore ?
Totally stupid law, I hate about this..
--
Julien (Sunhp) Meyer
Lead Programmer of Jadeware (C) 1998/2002.
639cb51.0209041204.f6b77a5@posting.google.com...
> http://news.com.com/2100-1040-956357.html?tag=fd_top
>
> \The Greek government has banned all electronic games
across the
> country, including those that run on home computers, on
Game Boy-style
> portable consoles, and on mobile phones. Thousands of
tourists in
> Greece are unknowingly facing heavy Ŝnes or long terms in
prison for
> owning mobile phones or portable video games.\
>
> club is here to stay.
====
> Iıve many Greek customers who bought me our computer games
at Jadeware, \
what
> about if they canıt play it anymore ?
> Totally stupid law, I hate about this..
Stupid politicians just canıt make any intelligent laws.
Gamings,
Nick.
====
I hate games on a business computer and I always
remove them from my employers Windows system
with one exception: Eiffel Oy bought me a Philips Velo
(I asked for a HP 320) and the Solitaire was in ROM !
Iım glad that Iım not in any country with stupid laws
possessing my current HP Jornada 720
(which also comes with Solitaire in ROM)
OR
with a HP 48GX with a MINEHUNT in ROM....
BUT
I guess I would be safe if I donıt play it publicly
;-)
Wanna bet on which one of us is the better in
Solitaire/MINEHUNT, Nick ??
PS: The Greeks are incompatible even with Greeks ;-)
> http://news.com.com/2100-1040-956357.html?tag=fd_top
>
> \The Greek government has banned all electronic games
across the
> country, including those that run on home computers, on
Game Boy-style
> portable consoles, and on mobile phones. Thousands of
tourists in
> Greece are unknowingly facing heavy Ŝnes or long terms in
prison for
> owning mobile phones or portable video games.\
>
> club is here to stay.
====
>> I hate games on a business computer and I always
>> remove them from my employers Windows system
>> with one exception: Eiffel Oy bought me a Philips Velo
>> (I asked for a HP 320) and the Solitaire was in ROM !
You poor guy! Greek laws made a criminal out of you ;-)
>> Iım glad that Iım not in any country with stupid laws
>> possessing my current HP Jornada 720
>> (which also comes with Solitaire in ROM)
>> OR
>> with a HP 48GX with a MINEHUNT in ROM....
>> BUT
Oh no! I also have the 48GX. And the 49G with its tetris.
What am I
gonna do? Help! Iım scared to death ;-)
>> I guess I would be safe if I donıt play it publicly
>> ;-)
Perhaps they already wired each and every house and they are
watching
us, while we play? Let me see. Whatıs that under the phone?
Oh no, a
micro camera and a transmitter. They caught me! ;-)
> Wanna bet on which one of us is the better in
> Solitaire/MINEHUNT, Nick ??
Hahaha! I donıt have half a chance. I play so incompatible
that the
programs crash. But letıs go for a competition. How can we do
that?
And how can many many others participate? And of course, you
let me
win and I send the (signed) tetris diploma to every
politician in
Greece along with many greekkings, this time I hope from
everyone out
there.
> PS: The Greeks are incompatible even with Greeks ;-)
Now you understood us. Thatıs why we have 10 millions Greeks
and 20
millions political parties in Greece. Phenomenon also know as
\political inŝation\ or, as Harry Klinn, a greek comedian
said: \How
comes that so few people, in such a small country, in such a
short
time, have managed to do so big stupidities?\ Each Greek
seems to be
most incompatible with his/herself, though the degree of
incompatibility to anything else except the own self is
already in
unbelievable high degrees. (Trabakoulas does math, in order
to forget
about the steady contradiction with anything.) ;-)
> http://news.com.com/2100-1040-956357.html?tag=fd_top
>
> \The Greek government has banned all electronic games
across the
> country, including those that run on home computers, on
Game Boy-style
> portable consoles, and on mobile phones. Thousands of
tourists in
> Greece are unknowingly facing heavy Ŝnes or long terms in
prison for
> owning mobile phones or portable video games.\
>
> club is here to stay.
Gamings,
Nick.
P.S: Come on people, play more! Let the machines fume and
smoke!
====
>
>> I hate games on a business computer and I always
>> remove them from my employers Windows system
>> with one exception: Eiffel Oy bought me a Philips Velo
>> (I asked for a HP 320) and the Solitaire was in ROM !
>
> You poor guy! Greek laws made a criminal out of you ;-)
Are the new greek laws in accordance with
European laws? I bet one could argue something
like that at a European court
--
This message was written with 100% recycled electrons
Pivo
====
>...
>Are the new greek laws in accordance with
>European laws? I bet one could argue something
>like that at a European court
>...
Thatıs exactly the point I have discussed with a colleague
yesterday.
integrated in its Ŝrmware. So, many mobile phone
manufacturers are
handicapped with Greece, since they either canıt sell anymore
their
phones, or they are forced to rewrite the Ŝrmware especially
for Greece.
Sooner or later some European Court will outlaw this law fur
sure.
-------------------------------------------------------------
------------
Ralf Fritzsch
Bundesanstalt fuer Wasserbau Federal Waterways Engineering
and Research
Dienststelle Kueste Institute - Department Hamburg
-------------------------------------------------------------
------------
Unix _IS_ user friendly - itıs just selective about who its
friends are.
-------------------------------------------------------------
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====
>...
>Are the new greek laws in accordance with
>European laws? I bet one could argue something
>like that at a European court
>...
>
> Thatıs exactly the point I have discussed with a colleague
yesterday.
> integrated in its Ŝrmware. So, many mobile phone
manufacturers are
> handicapped with Greece, since they either canıt sell
anymore their
> phones, or they are forced to rewrite the Ŝrmware
especially for Greece.
>
> Sooner or later some European Court will outlaw this law
fur sure.
If you knew how many such laws exist in Greece that should
have been
outlawed since decades, you wouldnıt be so optimistic. But,
anyway
thanks for your optimism, it encourages me that perhaps some
time in
the future we, Greeks, will have modern laws.
Greetings, err still gamings,
Nick.
====
I was walking past an electronics store and saw an HP32SII
in the window. Apparently theyıre discontinued and this was
a leftover -- it was down to $39 Canadian, and given the
pathetic value of the Canadian dollar, thatıs practically
free.
So I added it to my other HP calculators (45, 48, 49).
My Ŝrst impression is that itıs just amazing how much they
could cram into it. Really comprehensive. It doesnıt look
as if it has softkey menus, but it does, and there sure are
a lot of commands buried in there. And the manual is
Ŝrst-rate, even better than the HP48 book.
I had a bit of trouble at Ŝrst (it wouldnıt behave the way
the manual said) until I realized that the stack entry is
the old classic style, more like the HP45 than the HP48.
And of course, there are only four levels (Iıve been spoiled
by the 48).
Oddity: I couldnıt Ŝnd any command to clear the stack. All
the other calcs have that. At least itıs no problem writing
a short program to do it.
The programming is a bit awkward compared to UserRPL, but
itıs very concise. It has to be, since there are only 384
bytes of user RAM. I know it was designed in the 80s, but I
thought theyıd have expanded it by now. Oh well, lots of
memory encourages sloppy programming (see Gates, Bill).
The speed: for short calculations there isnıt much
difference from the 48, but for long ones (a hefty integral,
say) it takes 6-7 times as long. But then thatıs why it can
run on three button cells.
In short, I think itıs just great and a Ŝrst-class backup
for my bigger calcs. Grab one if you can Ŝnd one.
Bill
====
> My Ŝrst impression is that itıs just amazing how much they
> could cram into it. Really comprehensive. It doesnıt look
> as if it has softkey menus, but it does, and there sure are
> a lot of commands buried in there. And the manual is
> Ŝrst-rate, even better than the HP48 book.
>
I agree- none of the 28/48/49 manuals have stacked up. And
yeah- thereıs a
ton of good functionality in there. If you donıt mind the
memory issues it
will easily get you through most courses in school, and is my
favorite
pocket calc (my 42s is just to pricey to put in a pocket)for
daily use.
> The programming is a bit awkward compared to UserRPL, but
> itıs very concise. It has to be, since there are only 384
> bytes of user RAM. I know it was designed in the 80s, but I
> thought theyıd have expanded it by now. Oh well, lots of
> memory encourages sloppy programming (see Gates, Bill).
I Ŝnd the programming much easier and more task-useable than
UserRPL,
actually.
The RAM is a bit of an issue- and itıs just life in HP land-
the 20S has 99 \

steps, when it would have dominated in its price range (under
$40US) to
this day if it had 384. The 32SII would have sold a lot
longer and better,
perhaps, if theyıd managed to cram in 3-4KB more without
raising the price
more than $15.
> In short, I think itıs just great and a Ŝrst-class backup
> for my bigger calcs. Grab one if you can Ŝnd one.
It is that- and more than a backup, as long as you donıt have
needs that
max the memory it is a Ŝne primary calculator. Itıs
drastically more
useful than any of the other non graphing (IE pocket) calcs
out there.
(barring the possible exceptions of the 20S for algebraic
entry, the 42S
for people who can afford $250 pocket breakages)....
--
while E <<koyote>>
====
Apparently others share your feelings about the 32sii. Check
out the
selling/buying frenzy on Ebay.
Bob
> I was walking past an electronics store and saw an HP32SII
> in the window. Apparently theyıre discontinued and this was
> a leftover -- it was down to $39 Canadian, and given the
> pathetic value of the Canadian dollar, thatıs practically
free.
>
> So I added it to my other HP calculators (45, 48, 49).
>
> My Ŝrst impression is that itıs just amazing how much they
> could cram into it. Really comprehensive. It doesnıt look
> as if it has softkey menus, but it does, and there sure are
> a lot of commands buried in there. And the manual is
> Ŝrst-rate, even better than the HP48 book.
>
> I had a bit of trouble at Ŝrst (it wouldnıt behave the way
> the manual said) until I realized that the stack entry is
> the old classic style, more like the HP45 than the HP48.
> And of course, there are only four levels (Iıve been spoiled
> by the 48).
>
> Oddity: I couldnıt Ŝnd any command to clear the stack. All
> the other calcs have that. At least itıs no problem writing
> a short program to do it.
>
> The programming is a bit awkward compared to UserRPL, but
> itıs very concise. It has to be, since there are only 384
> bytes of user RAM. I know it was designed in the 80s, but I
> thought theyıd have expanded it by now. Oh well, lots of
> memory encourages sloppy programming (see Gates, Bill).
>
> The speed: for short calculations there isnıt much
> difference from the 48, but for long ones (a hefty integral,
> say) it takes 6-7 times as long. But then thatıs why it can
> run on three button cells.
>
> In short, I think itıs just great and a Ŝrst-class backup
> for my bigger calcs. Grab one if you can Ŝnd one.
>
> Bill
>
====
I bought a 32SII as a backup and have to disagree. The
miserly 384 bytes
memory effectively renders any of the other advanced features
useless. \
Just
one equation for the built in Solver used a third of the
memory. Would \
have
been a lovely calc with even 8k of memory.
Nice display, keyboard etc. Itıs a good scientiŜc calculator
but thats
all. I guess I just wish it was a HP42.
> I was walking past an electronics store and saw an HP32SII
> in the window. Apparently theyıre discontinued and this was
> a leftover -- it was down to $39 Canadian, and given the
> pathetic value of the Canadian dollar, thatıs practically
free.
>
> So I added it to my other HP calculators (45, 48, 49).
>
> My Ŝrst impression is that itıs just amazing how much they
> could cram into it. Really comprehensive. It doesnıt look
> as if it has softkey menus, but it does, and there sure are
> a lot of commands buried in there. And the manual is
> Ŝrst-rate, even better than the HP48 book.
>
> I had a bit of trouble at Ŝrst (it wouldnıt behave the way
> the manual said) until I realized that the stack entry is
> the old classic style, more like the HP45 than the HP48.
> And of course, there are only four levels (Iıve been spoiled
> by the 48).
>
> Oddity: I couldnıt Ŝnd any command to clear the stack. All
> the other calcs have that. At least itıs no problem writing
> a short program to do it.
>
> The programming is a bit awkward compared to UserRPL, but
> itıs very concise. It has to be, since there are only 384
> bytes of user RAM. I know it was designed in the 80s, but I
> thought theyıd have expanded it by now. Oh well, lots of
> memory encourages sloppy programming (see Gates, Bill).
>
> The speed: for short calculations there isnıt much
> difference from the 48, but for long ones (a hefty integral,
> say) it takes 6-7 times as long. But then thatıs why it can
> run on three button cells.
>
> In short, I think itıs just great and a Ŝrst-class backup
> for my bigger calcs. Grab one if you can Ŝnd one.
>
> Bill
====
\Bill Markwick\ <bmarkwick@cfmx.com> escribi\.97 en el mensaje
>
> Oddity: I couldnıt Ŝnd any command to clear the stack. All
> the other calcs have that. At least itıs no problem writing
> a short program to do it.
>
I think that clear stack usually is not needed, but I guess
(as I donıt use
that model) there is a command like \CLEAR sigma\ of the
15c... This \
clears
stack and statistic registers.
Hope this helps.
PS: Also you can do: 0 ENTER ENTER ENTER...
====
The 32sII is an excellent calc.

be sure to understand http://www.anti-matrix.net
====
My junior year of high school I won a 48gx and tried to use
it at Ŝrst, \
but
I was really clumsy with it and used my ti86 for the
remainder of high
school (mainly because all the teachers at my school require
the use of a
ti83+ or 86 and offer no help with any other calulators). So
here I am in
college and just getting around to really using it, and I was
wondering how
to symbolically expand something like (a+b)^3 to the full
form. Any help?
~joe
====
\Jotux\ <joe at jotux dot com> escribi\.97 en el mensaje
> My junior year of high school I won a 48gx and tried to use
it at Ŝrst,
but
> I was really clumsy with it and used my ti86 for the
remainder of high
> school (mainly because all the teachers at my school
require the use of a
> ti83+ or 86 and offer no help with any other calulators).
So here I am \
in
> college and just getting around to really using it, and I
was wondering
how
> to symbolically expand something like (a+b)^3 to the full
form. Any \
help?
> ~joe
>
If really you want use your 48, I recommend you ordering two
RAM cards
(128kb and 1Mb) from http://uuhome.de/oklotz/index_e.html .
Installing
the most powerfull calculators for 65 euros. Youıll need some
time for
reading the documentation, but it is worth. Also, download
the AUR.
====
EVAL works. I Ŝnd playing with the EVAL FACTOR and SIMP in
the EQW are my
Ŝrst quickest steps to manipulatiing an equation. If they
donıt do what I
want then I pull out the manual.
> My junior year of high school I won a 48gx and tried to use
it at Ŝrst,
but
> I was really clumsy with it and used my ti86 for the
remainder of high
> school (mainly because all the teachers at my school
require the use of a
> ti83+ or 86 and offer no help with any other calulators).
So here I am \
in
> college and just getting around to really using it, and I
was wondering
how
> to symbolically expand something like (a+b)^3 to the full
form. Any \
help?
> ~joe
>
>
====
Original question [re HP48GX]:
> how to symbolically expand something like Œ(a+b)^3ı to the
full form.
On 48GX, try this program,
found in the Advanced Userıs Reference (AUR):
\\<< DO DUP EXPAN UNTIL DUP ROT SAME END
DO DUP COLCT UNTIL DUP ROT SAME END \\>> ŒEXCOı STO
> EVAL works.
Not on HP48G[X]
> EVAL FACTOR and SIMP in the EQW
Not on HP48G[X]
> pull out the manual
The AUR didnıt come with the HP48G[X]
(and is no longer available, although you can
still order a photocopy for as little as US $75 :)
[r->] [OFF]
.
====
Sorry, didnıt even cross my mind that the behaviour would be
different
between the 48 and 49 for such a basic command. Guess this is
an example
where the extra functionality of the 49 is worth the slight
speed drop due
to the processing and handling of the extra types.
Stephen.N
> Original question [re HP48GX]:
>
> how to symbolically expand something like Œ(a+b)^3ı to the
full form.
>
> On 48GX, try this program,
> found in the Advanced Userıs Reference (AUR):
>
> \\<< DO DUP EXPAN UNTIL DUP ROT SAME END
> DO DUP COLCT UNTIL DUP ROT SAME END \\>> ŒEXCOı STO
>
> EVAL works.
>
> Not on HP48G[X]
>
> EVAL FACTOR and SIMP in the EQW
>
> Not on HP48G[X]
>
> pull out the manual
>
> The AUR didnıt come with the HP48G[X]
> (and is no longer available, although you can
> still order a photocopy for as little as US $75 :)
>
> [r->] [OFF]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
>
====
> the extra functionality of the 49 is worth the slight speed
drop
> due to the processing and handling of the extra types.
Although the example Iım about to cite is atypical,
here is a case where an old HP48 [S/G] command
takes *15*times* as long to execute on the 49G
(and so does a program of mine which needs to use that
command):
http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=
2953da04.0201290432.23a461f8%40posti\
ng.google.com
Why was that old 48[S/G] command even altered at all
(it is incompatible on the 49G with the way it worked on the
48S/48G,
when the new 49G CAS SOLVE command replaces it completely in
the CAS?
So thatıs why my old 48[S/G] triangle solver program
isnıt \49G certiŜed\ (and never will be :)
http://www.mum.edu
.
====
reporting that a friendıs web site was entirely invisible on
the
google system (was not listed at all) despite being happily
picked up
by many others, including msn, hotbot, lycos, web crawler,
excite...
I told them that Iıd had the site checked out by experienced
programmers who conŜrmed it has all the necessary keywords,
correct
source coding, etc and that the fault is probably with
googleıs
procedures.
again on Aug 6 (3 months later!) to get another automated
response
[#721242] and here we are today, another month on with still
no
response despite many reminders in between.
Maybe google is working so hard on the problem of this
invisible site
that it is just too busy to reply. Or maybe google are just a
bunch
of hippie chancers who donıt give two ŝying fucks about the
people
who use their system.
====
> was entirely invisible on the google system (was not listed
at all)
> despite being happily picked up by many others, including
msn,
> hotbot, lycos, web crawler, excite...
> I told them that Iıd had the site checked out by experienced
> programmers who conŜrmed it has all the necessary keywords,
> correct source coding, etc and that the fault
> is probably with googleıs procedures.
None of the above matters to Google;
thatıs essentially what makes Google different
(and usually more valuable for the seeker of information).
Here is what matters; also note what \B2\ says:
http://www.google.com/webmasters/1.html
http://www.google.com/webmasters/1.html#B2 <===
http://www.google.com/webmasters/2.html
http://www.google.com/webmasters/4.html
http://www.google.com/webmasters/dos.html <===
Other venues for feedback to Google:
http://www.google.com/contact/index.html
http://www.google.com/quality_form
And, of course, you have also pursued the following already,
where you posted the same complaint, but no one supplied
the direct links above, which you could have found for
yourself.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=
google.public.support.general
Good luck.
.
====
Not through this newsgroup :)
An interesting thing about our written communications,
however,
is that we can even see and feel the expression of frustration
and the \shouting\ response that is conveyed by the all-caps
subject,
as well as its phrasing, and Iıd like to address that.
During the development of the Google Groups system,
through which you have posted, I sent several suggestions
and surprisingly, I usually got a personal response;
all the particular things that I suggested have also
eventually been implemented in Googleıs current system,
although this may be the result of the very same suggestions
having been made by very many people, or to have been obvious
to Googleıs developers anyway (or sometimes not, who knows?)
There was also once a time when Google cut off our access
to all search queries, returning instead a \terms of service\
notice; at Ŝrst, I thought that perhaps Google
was turning into a paid-only service rather quickly,
reply explaining what had led them to think that \our\
IP address was hosting a \robot,\ forwarding another
search engineıs automated queries through Google, and also
explaining how to test what IP address Google thinks we are
at.
I replied to them that \our\ IP address was actually
the ISPıs cache server address, the same for the entire
geographical area which that ISP covers, that \we\
were not likely responsible for the kind of queries
they had monitored, and that by blocking this one IP address,
they were also hiding themselves from a large population
all over southeast Iowa; I also gave them a contact at the
ISP,
and very shortly thereafter, Google removed the blocks.
I do not know what contact address(es) Google now maintains,
nor who, if anyone, now reads what is probably a vastly larger
like anyone, they might respond more to cordiality than to
cursing.
The only comparable site where I had ever before found so much
staff who always personally replied -- perhaps thatıs why
they folded :)
[and were bought by Google, which is the good fortune that has
preserved the ability to now access 20 years of postings
archives,
I can sympathize with what happens when a company does
and Ŝnd that the general public is often just the sort of
unappreciative bleep-heads that you accuse Google of being,
in which case it is not surprising that they might want to
better insulate themselves from having to directly talk to
anyone,
for reasons more than merely economic.
The general quality of life arises from all the interactions
between all the individual people, and the quality of all
those interactions arises in turn from the consciousness
of that same society of individual people, which together
forms a collective consciousness of the society.
That collective consciousness can be inŝuenced,
at a very deep level, by human beings who deeply experience
the total Ŝeld of consciousness within themselves,
but every individual person in society can also do
his or her part in being the sort of person you would yourself
like other people to be to you, as much as you can.
Project more appreciation and good to others; it is never
wasted.
Even if you never get a reply, your own calmness and positive
attitude
will still directly beneŜt you, yourself, because the quality
of
our own self-interaction is a major part of our own
well-being.
----------------------------------------
With best wishes from http://www.mum.edu
.
====
I have rarely read such complacent blather and indolent
psychobabble
in a supposedly serious newsgroup. You are obviously a dunce
who
judging from your prose style has read too many corporate
handouts, PR
mantras & celebrity biographies. You are therefore scared of
a)
shouting and b) thinking.
Maybe your lickass brown nosing strategy will get you brownie
(nose)
points from the corporate hippies at google who may even give
you a
new job as ball boy #40043 on their virtual tennis court.
More likely
you will fret and puff your life away in some dingy academic
ofŜce
festooned with timetables and blotchy snapshots of students.
Meanwhile, consider the style of google automated responses:
\keep on
googlinı\
Indeed - I mean, why donıt we also all just OD on Disney
Warner Google
acid and just die slowly & surely in the Disney Google Warner
desert
sands with our pricks up a stifŜe Warner Disney Google
Deadheadıs ass
while mouthing dimly remembered words to a Pink Floyd track...
Meanwhile, these businessmen have not replied to a simple and
legitimate question.
And who - except you, cares about how many questions such
pretentious
millionaires get?
And who cares about high stepping along the tripwire of
decorum you
have strung to protect your fragile ego from people like me?
> That collective consciousness can be inŝuenced,
> at a very deep level,
There are no levels at all, please try to understand this.
Your brain
has been addled by psychoanalytic-Romantic fantasies about
\levels\
only surfaces, only your words. Nothing else. Scary, huh?
>by human beings who deeply experience
Now you are sounding like a Christmas card...
> the total Ŝeld of consciousness within themselves,
Totality went out with Hegel, grow up!
> but every individual person in society
Cliches, or what?
>can also do
> his or her part in being the sort of person you would
yourself
> like other people to be to you, as much as you can.
Amen, spit and polish, lick the ŝoors clean, & letıs just
DANCE the
night away, yeah yeah yeah...
>
> Project more appreciation and good to others;
>it is never wasted.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaat?
> Even if you never get a reply, your own calmness and
positive attitude
> will still directly beneŜt you, yourself, because the
quality of
> our own self-interaction is a major part of our own
well-being.
>
You are deŜnitely insane.
> An interesting thing about our written communications,
however,
> is that we can even see and feel the expression of
frustration
> and the \shouting\ response that is conveyed by the
all-caps subject,
> as well as its phrasing, and Iıd like to address that.
>
Meanwhile, we will NOT address the bizarre contortions, cute
prose
rythms, and the abjectness that goes into being you...
====
Fred [sounded off like a braying animal, which is probably
why he commands so much respect in professional circles]
The Coming of Wisdom with Time
\Though leaves are many, the root is one;
Through all the lying days of my youth
I swayed my leaves and ŝowers in the sun;
Now I may wither into the truth.\
http://www.lit.kobe-u.ac.jp/~hishika/yeats.htm
http://www.bartleby.com/people/Yeats-Wi.html
http://www.nobel.se/literature/laureates/1923/
\Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible, without surrender,
be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others,
even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexations to the
spirit.\
http://colleenscorner.com/Poetry3.html
\I do not know what I may appear to the world; but to myself
I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore,
and diverting myself in now and then Ŝnding a smoother pebble
or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of
truth
lay all undiscovered before me.\
Just as small mistakes in programming may incapacitate
the operation of a computer or calculator, small
mistranslations
or misunderstandings can bury the knowledge which could
otherwise
be inherited by us from the long trail of human wisdom, e.g.:
\Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth\
The general error is to reverse cause and effect in the above.
You do not achieve what you desire by suppressing yourself,
but when you are really on the right track with what you
are doing, it communicates itself effectively to others,
and you can organize the means to accomplish things
without ŝoundering in your own chaos,
or trying to compensate with bluster.
The greater the quality of leadership, the less screaming or
violence of any kind is required to have the same inŝuence,
and that is how a quiet man like Gandhi, with weapons only
of his own spirit, Ŝnally sent an armed and vicious colonial
power
packing; he did not appear to be \winning\ at every step of
his path,
but what he did resonated with and uniŜed an entire nation,
and even an entire world was inŝuenced. A bullet from
a lone assassinıs gun can silence the one leader,
but can not halt the progress of all humanity,
which it was his gift to recognize and be an agent for.
Muhammad, Moses, Buddha, Christ -- there is no fundamental
difference
in what they all recognized, experienced, and taught,
although subsequent interpreters can lose all sense of it,
if they do not have the same quality of their own
consciousness
and consequent experience to keep them on the right track.
\In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.\ [John 1:1]
\Beauty, old yet ever new, eternal voice and inward word\
\During this period of his life Muhammad traveled widely.
Then, in his forties he began to retire to meditate
Muhammad recited the words of what are now
the Ŝrst Ŝve verses of the 96th surah or chapter of the Quran,
words which proclaim God the Creator of man
and the Source of all knowledge.\
They all do the same -- they meditate, they experience
the totality of all consciousness within themselves,
then they come out to teach it. If their disciples
follow the same steps, including the critical step
of also experiencing the source of pure consciousness
within themselves, then they continue to embody
the same original knowledge and pass it down;
if they neglect to have the personal experience,
however, then they drift off into distortion,
and their descendants turn ever more violent,
trying to compensate for the living effectiveness which they
lost.
Thatıs \a brief history of humanity,\ in a couple of
paragraphs.
If you want to put down mankindıs spiritual history, however,
at least do it with some humor and style:
http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/meek.html
\A teacher affects eternity;
he can never tell where his inŝuence stops.\
http://www.mum.edu
====
>
> \Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
> and remember what peace there may be in silence.
>
> As far as possible, without surrender,
> be on good terms with all persons.
>
> Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others,
> even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
>
> Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexations to
the spirit.\
apropos):
Go placidly amid the noise and waste.
and remember what comfort there may be
in owning a piece thereof.
Avoid quiet and passive persons
unless you are in need of sleep.
[..]
Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and
disillusionment,
and despite the changing fortunes of time,
there is always a big future in computer maintenance.
====
[shit removed]
I would surely prefer to read John H. Meyer posts rather than
yours.
Have you ever published anything of interest in this
newsgroup? Not that I
can remember.
John has been posting here for as far as I can remember and
is a valued
member of this community. So keep your ŝaming away.
====
> Not through this newsgroup :)
> An interesting thing about our written communications,
however,
> is that we can even see and feel the expression of
frustration
> and the \shouting\ response that is conveyed by the
all-caps subject,
> as well as its phrasing, and Iıd like to address that.
Well (though it is terribly offtopic). How many requests do
you
expect that google get a day to `please list our websiteı.
Iıd vote
for thousands. How many do you think are legitimate? Are *any*
legitimate? In particular, for the person who is complaining
here
(why here?), if the web site isnıt in whatever googleıs root
set is
(and they arenıt very likely to put it in the root set for
you, and if
no-one links to it, then as I understand googleıs algorithm
itıs not
going to show up. And thatıs *right*: google works by links
to a
site, so if you want to get them to list it, you need to get
people to
link to it, not complain at google, who are just doing their
job as a
search engine.
--tim
====
>... [Fred shows his anger about a website not found by
google] ...
The website is hosted on a HP48?
Holger
====
> The website is hosted on a HP48?
No no. *Google* runs on a large farm of HP48s. Theyıve been
trying
to port to HP49s (in fact, Google largely funded the HP49
effort at
HP), but the extreme load causes the keycaps to ŝake off and
the
screens to go a funny colour. Only HP48s will do for this
environment. I regret to say that they are now considering a
port to
some TI abomination, although Iıve been hearing recent
rumours that
they are also considering the 32SII.
--tim
====
> No no. *Google* runs on a large farm of HP48s. Theyıve been
trying
> to port to HP49s (in fact, Google largely funded the HP49
effort at
> HP), but the extreme load causes the keycaps to ŝake off
and the
> screens to go a funny colour. Only HP48s will do for this
> environment.
Unfortunately, the HP 48 keys arenıt really designed to be
pecked by
pigeons. Hoewver, they do withstand pecking much better than
the HP 49G
keys.
====
\Tim Bradshaw\ <tfb@cley.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> ... although Iıve been hearing recent rumours that
> they are also considering the 32SII.
That explains why the 32SII is no longer sold. Whith only 384
bytes of
memory Google will need HPs complete production of them.
Supposingly it is \
a
special model with network capabilities. I hope theyıll show
up on ebay \
some
day!
Wouldnıt it be a good idea to make another farm with 12Cs for
business
websites?
Holger
====
Iım having trouble transferring Ŝles to my HP49G. IO settings
are as
follows:
WIRE (Obviously)
Kermit
ASCII
No translation
Checksum Type 1
9600 Baud
No Parity
No overwrite
HPComm settings are as follows:
Translation: Mode 0
Checksum: Type 1
Speed: 9600
The calc connects to HPComm OK but I am unable to transfer a
Ŝle such as
ALBW1.1 the Allocated Bandwidth program by Mike Richards.
HPComm keeps
giving me a \The Ŝle you tried to send does not contain valid
data or a
valid program\ error.
I just canıt seem to get this transfer to work.
Any help would be greatly appreciated as this is driving me
nuts. I have \
had
it working correctly previously.
====
>
> Iım having trouble transferring Ŝles to my HP49G. IO
settings are as
> follows:
>
> WIRE (Obviously)
> Kermit
> ASCII
> No translation
> Checksum Type 1
> 9600 Baud
> No Parity
> No overwrite
>
> HPComm settings are as follows:
>
> Translation: Mode 0
> Checksum: Type 1
> Speed: 9600
>
> The calc connects to HPComm OK but I am unable to transfer
a Ŝle such as
> ALBW1.1 the Allocated Bandwidth program by Mike Richards.
HPComm keeps
> giving me a \The Ŝle you tried to send does not contain
valid data or a
> valid program\ error.
>
> I just canıt seem to get this transfer to work.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated as this is driving me
nuts. I have \
had
> it working correctly previously.
Well, itıs a directory, and it has a variable named ŒEXITı.
My 49G
doesnıt like it because I already have a library command
named ŒEXITı
(in OT49). I modiŜed it to use the name ŒQUITı for that
variable, and
also to use reals instead of ZINTs. See if you can download
the
following.
-------------------------------------------------------------
-----------
%%HP: T(3)A(R)F(.);
@ Checksum: # F8F3h
@ Bytes: 1126.5
DIR
DATA 2.048
FEC .666666666667
RS .911111111111
BTS 3.
RPRT
\\<< \Data: \ DATA 4.
RND \\->STR +
\ mb
FEC: \ + FEC 4.
RND + \ RS: \ + RS 4.
RND + \
Tran: \ +
DATA RS FEC * / DUP
BTS / \\-> t s
\\<< t 6. RND \\->STR +
\ mb
BTS: \ + BTS +
IF ŒBTS==1.ı
THEN \ (BPSK)\
+
ELSE
IF ŒBTS==2.ı
THEN
\ (QPSK)\ +
ELSE
IF ŒBTS==3.
Œ
THEN
\ (8PSK)\ +
ELSE
IF ŒBTS==
4.ı
THEN
\ (16QAM)\ +
END
END
END
END \
Symb: \ +
s 6. RND \\->STR +
\ mb
OcBW: \ + s 1.2
* 6. RND \\->STR +
\ MHz
AlBW: \ + s 1.4
* .02 + 6. RND \\->STR +
\ MHz\ + Œ\\182ı STO \\182
CLLCD 1. DISP 3.
FREEZE
\\>>
\\>>
PRINT
\\<< \\182 PR1 CLEAR
\\>>
PRDEV
\\<< -34. FS?
IF 1. ==
THEN { { \\\[]WIRE\
\\<< -34. SF 0.
DELAY 0. MENU
\\>> } { \IR\
\\<< -34. CF 1.8
DELAY 0. MENU
\\>> } } TMENU
ELSE { { \WIRE\
\\<< -34. SF 0.
DELAY 0. MENU
\\>> } { \\\[]IR\
\\<< -34. CF 1.8
DELAY 0. MENU
\\>> } } TMENU
END
\\>>
QUIT
\\<< UPDIR 2. MENU
\\>>
\\182
\Data: 2.048 mb
FEC: .6667 RS: .9111
Tran: 3.371707 mb
BTS: 3 (8PSK)
Symb: 1.123902 mb
OcBW: 1.348683 MHz
AlBW: 1.593463 MHz\
END
-------------------------------------------------------------
-----------
--
James
====
Binary?
X
> HPComm keeps
> giving me a \The Ŝle you tried to send does not contain
valid data or a
> valid program\ error.
====
... doesnıt seem to make any difference ...
====
When I lend my calc to friends, I wnt it to be algebric and
was not
happy with what I found on hpcalc so I developped my own.
Please send me comments.
It is available at:
http://www.chez.com/amiel/hp48/algcalc.zip
And only works on HP48G and HP48GX. It is obviously useless
on the 49
and use unsupported entry points that have changed from the S
serie.
Arnaud
====
Great idea! - I have exactly the same problem when I lend my
calc.
Needs to be developed
Andrew
> When I lend my calc to friends, I wnt it to be algebric and
was not
> happy with what I found on hpcalc so I developped my own.
> Please send me comments.
> It is available at:
> http://www.chez.com/amiel/hp48/algcalc.zip
>
> And only works on HP48G and HP48GX. It is obviously useless
on the 49
> and use unsupported entry points that have changed from the
S serie.
>
>
> Arnaud
====
\Andrew Hall\ <s4007925@student.uq.edu.au> escribi\.97 en el
mensaje
> Great idea! - I have exactly the same problem when I lend
my calc.
>
> Needs to be developed
>
> Andrew
>
>
Much better: donıt lend the calculator :-D
====
Back in high school when someone wanted to borrow my HP Iıd
give it to \
them,
watch them hit a few keys, and ask me, \whereıs the equals
key?\ They \
never
asked again.
>
> \Andrew Hall\ <s4007925@student.uq.edu.au> escribi\.97 en
el mensaje
> Great idea! - I have exactly the same problem when I lend
my calc.
>
> Needs to be developed
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> Much better: donıt lend the calculator :-D
>
====
This ng is Ŝlled with very useful and interesting posts whch
I read
contribute. I hope my thoughts here are not too OT.
I have been thinking about the direction HP has taken away
from RPN
for their new calculator products. There are obviously a lot
of folks
who use the advanced graphical and symbolic capabilities of
the
HP48/49 calcs, and the \wish lists\ often focus on enhancing
these
features with color displays, faster plotting, and the like.
For me
however, plotting and advanced data analysis are more
comfortable on a
PC using Origin, Axum, Matlab, or similar programs. So, some
prefer
the convenience of the handheld calc for advanced features,
but others
(like me) are more pedestrian in their use.
The products whose disappearance really pains me is the
RPN-based,
scientiŜc, shirt-pocket calculator. The HP42S, 15C, etc.
command
hefty prices on the used market. I know that some of this is
driven by
collectors, but I often see WTB posts from users whose 42S
just died
and they just want a replacement in working order. Even the
collector
interest in these calcs points to their great utility - I
doubt that
the algebraic HP20S, if discontinued today, would command
$200 on the
used market anytime soon.
So, this leads to question.
Is there a reasonable chance that ANYONE will introduce a new
pocket
scientiŜc calculator which uses RPN? I know the potential
market is
smaller, but with TI, Casio, Sharp, and others competing for
shelf
space at Walmart with their $8.99 - $12.99 offerings, could
someone
Ŝnd a place in their product line for a RPN-based scientiŜc
with
similar capabilities, but at a higher price? $50-$75 would
not be a
deterrent for me, and some keystroke programming capability
would be
worth more. Are there others like me out there, or not?
I would guess that few students would buy RPN on a whim,
since the
algebraic system is all they have been exposed to. Do you
think it
would catch on? Perhaps RPN and the OLD HP calculator
philosophy were
somehow tied together. HP calcs were never promoted to be the
cheap
calc for everyday balancing-your-checkbook use. The quality
was
higher, and the intended market was more demanding. The
professionals
and students for whom the older HP calcs were designed were
willing to
pay a little more, and invest a little more time in learning
how to
use it. Maybe the guys who buy cheap calcs at Walmart would
never be
interested in RPN.
Sorry for all the rambling here. I hope Iıll hear something
encouraging about the future, but I donıt know. Iım not too
old at 44
yet, but I have noticed the funny looks I get from new grads
if I talk
nostalgically about my old HP29C!
Don Davis
====
> I would guess that few students would buy RPN on a whim,
since the
> algebraic system is all they have been exposed to. Do you
think it
> would catch on?
Iım a mechanical engineering student in Queensland, Australia.
While hp calcs are not the most popular (due to the ti83(+)),
they are
deŜnitely not the least popular. eg. I see many more hp49ıs
than ti89ıs.
In my course (2nd year mech) there are at least 10 (out of 60
or so) people
that use an hp calc of the RPN variety. If trends are similar
in other
places, there is a market in RPN for students. Many friends
of mine are
envious of my 49ıs capabilities.
~17% * RPN market at UQ - sounds like a big enough share to
me. However,
Iım pretty sure that hp have done their sums. Pity.
Andrew
* ~17% from my (feeble) observations only.
====
> Is there a reasonable chance that ANYONE will introduce a
new pocket
> scientiŜc calculator which uses RPN? I know the potential
market is
> smaller, but with TI, Casio, Sharp, and others competing
for shelf
> space at Walmart with their $8.99 - $12.99 offerings, could
someone
> Ŝnd a place in their product line for a RPN-based scientiŜc
with
> similar capabilities, but at a higher price? $50-$75 would
not be a
> deterrent for me, and some keystroke programming capability
would be
> worth more. Are there others like me out there, or not?
I think the market for calculators in that price range has
been eaten.
It used to be the case that you could buy a good scientiŜc
calculator
for say, Ŝfty to a few hundred dollars, or you could spend
maybe
2,000 on a PC, and then have to buy or write software for it,
and it
wasnıt portable. So there was a whacking great hole in the
market
where engineers and other professional-type people would buy
a good
calculator. But now, well, a well-engineered calculator
*still* costs
$50-200, especially if the market is small. And the market is
small
because for $300 or something you can buy a PDA which will do
most of
what the calculator would do, *and* be a diary &c &c (and
soon, if not
now, be a phone too). And for not that much more you can buy a
genuinely portable laptop onto which you can stuff
mathematica and so
on.
So I think the market for decent calculators has changed from
professionals who couldnıt afford a computer - either because
it was
too heavy or too expensive - to people who arenıt *allowed*
to have a
computer, namely students in exams. Those people have
different
requirements (and less money).
Whether the market could sustain a low-end RPN calculator I
donıt
know. I suspect not, though.
--tim
====
\Don Davis\ <dddavis@mindspring.com> escribi\.97 en el mensaje
>
> Sorry for all the rambling here. I hope Iıll hear something
> encouraging about the future, but I donıt know. Iım not too
old at 44
> yet, but I have noticed the funny looks I get from new
grads if I talk
> nostalgically about my old HP29C!
>
> Don Davis
Iım 34 and the Ŝrst sci calculator I had in my hands was a
34c \that \
nobody
knows how works...\ (1981)
My 48 is a great help in my work but for many tasks I diary
use a recently
exchanged 15c. They are simply priceless.
And the future is black. Dark black.
====
Thereıs not much I wouldnıt do for a simple, good-quality, RPN
calculator, even just a 4-banger. Iıd probably buy several
(car,
workshop, study, kitchen...)
Neill McKay
====
the hp32sii works for me!
http://www.henryhall.com/catalog.htm
search for hew32sii, a really nice calculator :)
$66
anybody knows a cheaper place to buy?
> Thereıs not much I wouldnıt do for a simple, good-quality,
RPN
> calculator, even just a 4-banger. Iıd probably buy several
(car,
> workshop, study, kitchen...)
>
> Neill McKay
====
> the hp32sii works for me!
>
> http://www.henryhall.com/catalog.htm
>
> search for hew32sii, a really nice calculator :)
>
> $66
I have a 32sii, which is probably my favourite of 3 HPs.
Unfortunately,
$66 is above the \cheap enough to buy 3 or 4\ threshold. What
Iıd like \
to
see is a decent, simple, RPN calculator (not necessarily
build to HP
standards) in the $10-$15 range.
Neill McKay
====
| the hp32sii works for me!
| http://www.henryhall.com/catalog.htm
| search for hew32sii, a really nice calculator :)
| $66
The 48SX works for me. I bought my last one (#3) for $50.
====
Lately when I work with my HP49 I get to many variables like
ppar y1
y2 and stuff like that, so i tried to design a program in
sysrpl to
erase all the variables but the program it self, but I canıt
make it
work, it always erases all the variables.
::
Dovars
(here the comand that explodes the list and puts the number of
objects, I donıt remeber it now: FPTR 6 158)
Bint0
Do
Dup
ΠId CLN (this is the name of the variable where the program
is
stored)
EQ
ITE
:: drop ;
:: purge ;
Loop
I think that the problem is the way I compare the variablesı
name.
Any body has some ideas?
Marturo
\UBI DUBIDUM IBI LIBERTAS\
====
>
> I think that the problem is the way I compare the
variablesı name.
Exactly. EQ compares just the memory address of the two
objects. I.e.
#5555 DUP EQ ( returns TRUE )
#5555 #5555 EQ ( FALSE )
#5555 #5555 EQUAL ( TRUE )
Note that you cannot do this with built-in BINTs like BINT0.
Greetings
Thomas
--
Thomas Rast <t.rast@freesurf.ch>
\If you cannot convince them, confuse them.\
-- Harry S. Truman
====
> when I work with my HP49 I get too many variables like ppar
y1 y2
> and stuff like that, so I tried to design a program in
sysrpl
> to erase all the variables but the program itself.
Hereıs a very dangerous user program which can reside in a
directory,
which will clear every variable but itself
(so donıt store it in HOME, for heavenıs sake ;)
\\<< 15 TVARS Œ~ı + PGDIR ŒZAPı DUP RCL CLVAR SWAP STO \\>>
ŒZAPı STO
Like the nitroglycerin which my high school buddies
easily made in chemistry lab, however, or the nuclear cores,
chemical wastes, climate and genetic changes, etc. which
governments
and industries have manufactured and now are stuck with,
now the new problem is how to get rid of it,
to prevent the unfortunate destructive consequences of not
doing so.
But perhaps we could sidestep this problem
by not creating it for ourselves in the Ŝrst place,
except only as a [misguided] training exercise.
Note that these calculators permit the creation of
subdirectories;
when we work in a subdirectory,
all variables in its parent directory(ies) remain accessible
by name,
as with a \path\ in Unix or MS-DOS, or a \searchlist\ in
other systems.
So, create an empty directory, e.g. ŒMYDIRı CRDIR
Then go into that empty directory (just press the MYDIR menu
key).
Then solve equations and create many variables;
when you want to delete them all, just type CLVAR.
CLVAR deletes all variables in the current directory,
but it leaves all parent directories alone.
This accomplishes the goal that you wanted;
there are many extra tools that we could also make and use
when we donıt bother making ourselves a subdirectory,
such as \clean solvers\ and the like, which you have to
keep remembering to always use to make them effective,
but to me, the ultimate tool is just to take advantage
of the built-in capabilities, when thereıs no need to do more.
It is often equally not realized that every living entity
(and society) has native capabilities that can accomplish its
goals,
without creating its own obstacles and then losing itself in
the task of making greater efforts to solve the self-created
problems.
There is nothing more practical in the world than Ŝnding
the best \native\ way to accomplish the ultimate goals that
people really want, and thatıs just what we do at our
university.
\I simply say to you that we have the metaphysical mind
apprehending, comprehending, and ordering the physical.
The physical tending to be disorderly and the metaphysical
apprehending, comprehending, and putting together. Man,
therefore,
represents the very clearly demonstrated function in the
universe
that is essential to the regeneration of the universe.\
R. Buckminster Fuller, Approaching the Benign Environment,
1970.
Q171.F96 on your library shelf, if you have a well-stocked
library.
A different perspective on all of history; past, present, and
future.
Here also are the Ŝrst paragraphs of Fullerıs
\Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth\
http://www.bŜ.org/operating_manual.htm
\I am enthusiastic over humanityıs extraordinary and sometimes
very timely ingenuities. If you are in a shipwreck and all
the boats
are gone, a piano top buoyant enough to keep you aŝoat that
comes
along makes a fortuitous life preserver. But this is not to
say that
the best way to design a life preserver is in the form of a
piano top.
I think that we are clinging to a great many piano tops in
accepting
yesterdayıs fortuitous contrivings as constituting the only
means for
solving a given problem. Our brains deal exclusively with
special-case
experiences. Only our minds are able to discover the
generalized
principles operating without exception in each and every
special-experience case which if detected and mastered
will give knowledgeable advantage in all instances.
Because our spontaneous initiative has been frustrated,
too often inadvertently, in earliest childhood, we do not
tend,
customarily, to dare to think competently regarding our
potentials.
We Ŝnd it socially easier to go on with our narrow,
shortsighted
specializations and leave it to others -- primarily to the
politicians -- to Ŝnd some way of resolving our common
dilemmas.\
Note that in the second paragraph, Fuller has already
distinguished
\mind\ (metaphysical, which we call consciousness)
from \brain\ (physical), after which I can only think
to repeat the Ŝrst Fuller quote:
\I simply say to you that we have the metaphysical mind
apprehending, comprehending, and ordering the physical.
The physical tending to be disorderly and the metaphysical
apprehending, comprehending, and putting together. Man,
therefore,
represents the very clearly demonstrated function in the
universe
that is essential to the regeneration of the universe.\
This is exactly what we experience, what we apply to
education,
and what we apply to the entire world around us.
Gıday!
http://www.mum.edu
.
====
Can someone help me Ŝnding a hp48 emulator for psion/epoc?
Zender
====
I have two programs listed below which I need to join
however it is not obvious to me. My problem is I am
communicating with a SDL30 digital level and the only
way to prompt the instrument to start reading is to
initiate the Ŝrst program and then press the cancel button
on the calculator which then starts the machine to read.
The second program can be initiated to receive the
information.
Is there another way to prompt the same result not using the
RECV command hence deleting unnecessary keystrokes
and messy programming.
CLEAR \LM\ XMIT
RECV


BUFLEN DROP
SRECV CLOSEIO DROP
OBJ\\->

Martin
====
>
> I have two programs listed below which I need to join
> however it is not obvious to me. My problem is I am
> communicating with a SDL30 digital level and the only
> way to prompt the instrument to start reading is to
> initiate the Ŝrst program and then press the cancel button
> on the calculator which then starts the machine to read.
> The second program can be initiated to receive the
information.
> Is there another way to prompt the same result not using the
> RECV command hence deleting unnecessary keystrokes
> and messy programming.
>
>  CLEAR \LM\ XMIT
> RECV
>
>
>
> BUFLEN DROP
> SRECV CLOSEIO DROP
> OBJ\\->
>
>
>
> Martin
If I got you right, then you want the HP to tell the SDL30 to
start
reading. So you send the command LM and then the SDL30 starts
reading
and sends data to the HP. If that is what you want then you
could use:
<<
\\ -> data
<< OPENIO
\LM\ XMIT DROP
WHILE
BUFLEN DROP
REPEAT
Œdataı
SRECV DROP
STO+
END
data OBJ->
CLOSEIO
>>
>>
Was it what you wanted?
Nick.
====
>
> I have two programs listed below which I need to join
> however it is not obvious to me. My problem is I am
> communicating with a SDL30 digital level and the only
> way to prompt the instrument to start reading is to
> initiate the Ŝrst program and then press the cancel button
> on the calculator which then starts the machine to read.
> The second program can be initiated to receive the
information.
> Is there another way to prompt the same result not using the
> RECV command hence deleting unnecessary keystrokes
> and messy programming.
>
>  CLEAR \LM\ XMIT
> RECV
>
>
>
> BUFLEN DROP
> SRECV CLOSEIO DROP
> OBJ\\->
>
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> If I got you right, then you want the HP to tell the SDL30
to start
> reading. So you send the command LM and then the SDL30
starts reading
> and sends data to the HP. If that is what you want then you
could use:
>
> <<
> \\ -> data
> << OPENIO
> \LM\ XMIT DROP
> WHILE
> BUFLEN DROP
> REPEAT
> Œdataı
> SRECV DROP
> STO+
> END
> data OBJ->
> CLOSEIO
> >>
>>
>
> Was it what you wanted?
> Nick.
Nick,
The program you have written is basically what I had
in mind however my problem is not that.
I am told to get the instrument to read I need to send \LM\
(ie \LM\ XMIT). However to get it to read I need to send
\LM\ XMIT RECV or \LM\ XMIT Œnı KGET putting the calculator
in server mode.
So can the server mode be cancelled from within a program
or am I missing the obvious with IOPAR at { 1200 0 0 1 2 }
or is there another way to send the command.
Martin
====
--------snipped rest--------
> Nick,
>
> The program you have written is basically what I had
> in mind however my problem is not that.
>
> I am told to get the instrument to read I need to send \LM\
> (ie \LM\ XMIT). However to get it to read I need to send
> \LM\ XMIT RECV or \LM\ XMIT Œnı KGET putting the calculator
> in server mode.
But Martin, to *send* \LM\ or any other string you only need
XMIT. Why do you use RECV or KGET after that? XMIT just sends
the string \LM\ to the other device, instructing it so to do
something. The rest of the stuf, RECV or KGET is to just
receive what the other device sends to you. I must be missing
something here...
> So can the server mode be cancelled from within a program
> or am I missing the obvious with IOPAR at { 1200 0 0 1 2 }
> or is there another way to send the command.
No, the IOPAR is for transfer setting but nothing more.
Greetings,
Nick.
====
>
>  CLEAR \LM\ XMIT
> RECV
>
>
>
> BUFLEN DROP
> SRECV CLOSEIO DROP
> OBJ\\->
>
Considering your \no error checking\ approach, \\<< \LM\ XMIT
DROP \\>> \

should do Ŝne for the Ŝrst program...
HTH
Thomas
--
Thomas Rast <t.rast@freesurf.ch>
\If you cannot convince them, confuse them.\
-- Harry S. Truman
====
I have bought a PC connectivity kit for my HP48GX calculator.
I can
download just Ŝne and can edit with HP-IDE. The problem is
that the
calculator wonıt accept the edited Ŝles back.
Is this a common problem, or is it just me?
Rod
====
I just acquired a 48GX. How can I connect it to my B&W G3 in
order to
download software into the 48GX?
====
> I just acquired a 48GX. How can I connect it to my B&W G3
in order to
> download software into the 48GX?
You need Ŝrst a cable for connecting the HP48GX to the Mac. I
think
that such cables are still sold by HP, but Iım not sure. They
connect
the serial port of the HP48GX with the pronter or modem port
of the
Mac. (The G3 has serial printer and modem port, doesnıt it?)
Then you need some program like kermit, or version 4 of
ClarisWorks
along with a kermitor Xmodem module for the communications
Toolbox. Do
you have such software? If not, I could give you a very old
(but very
functional) version of kermit or CW.
I suppose you know how to set up I/O on the HP49G, so I go
directly to
the setup of the Mac. With ClarisWorks you start the program,
and
create a new communications document. Then select menu
connection and
choose serial connection with the same parameters like the
HP49G.
Choose also the right port (modem or pronter). Then you
select menu
Ŝle transfer and choose the protocoll for the transfer.
(Xmodem or
kermit) Select \binary\ for tranfer mode (not Macbinary!).
Then select
connect menu and the Program connects to the serial port that
you
selected previously. Now from the menu transfer you can selct
receive
or send Ŝle and so on.
Greetings and do not hesitate to contact me if you still have
problems.
Nick.
====
> I just acquired a 48GX. How can I connect it to my B&W G3
in order to
> download software into the 48GX?
>
>
> You need Ŝrst a cable for connecting the HP48GX to the Mac.
I think
> that such cables are still sold by HP, but Iım not sure.
They connect
> the serial port of the HP48GX with the pronter or modem
port of the
> Mac. (The G3 has serial printer and modem port, doesnıt it?)
>
No.
====
>
> I just acquired a 48GX. How can I connect it to my B&W G3
in order to
> download software into the 48GX?
>
>
> You need Ŝrst a cable for connecting the HP48GX to the Mac.
I think
> that such cables are still sold by HP, but Iım not sure.
They connect
> the serial port of the HP48GX with the pronter or modem
port of the
> Mac. (The G3 has serial printer and modem port, doesnıt it?)
>
>
> No.
>
> Instead they have USB and (sometimes) Firewire ports. Mac
operating
> systems up to OS 9 support serial ports, for backwards
compatibility
> support serial ports even if they are present in the
machine OS X is
> running on.
>
Oh man, I got left behind! ;-)
You must buy then a USB to serial converter. I have one for
using my
printers (serial and appletalk) from my iMac.
Or is there kermit over USB connection? Anyone has seen
something like
this out there?
Greetings,
Nick.
====
Iıve never used the equation library on the 48, so Iım not
sure how
eql49 should work. When I start it, the menus come up Ŝne
(although
the version at the top is 2.6 even though the lib Ŝlename is
2.7).
When I pick a formula and select SLV, I see the soft menus at
the
bottom for the vars, and the rpn stack at the top (Iım nit
sure this
is how it should look). If I type a number and select a soft
key, the
key does not Ŝll in like I would expect. If I then left shift
the var
I want to solve it seems to work ok. If I then select nxeq I
can move
between the formulas in the group, but I canıt seem to Ŝnd a
way to
move back up a level to select a new group of formulas. Is
this a
limitation, or is something wrong with my installation? Iım
using the
Steve
====
Behaves the same for me. I think once youıre into the solver
you have
exited eql49 so you have to start it again to select another
equation from
the library. Not sure if it would be possible to Ŝx.
Perhaps you could code a custom solver called when you exited
eql49 that
added a menu key to restart eql49. I often use additional
menu keys for
varius functions in my stored equations. eg (if I get this
right)
{ ŒY=k1*X+k2ı { X Y { \Set1\
0.7000 Œk1ı STO 0.3000 Œk2ı STO
} { \eql49\
eql49 EVAL
} } } STEQ 30.0000 MENU

Another thing Iıd like to see with eql49 is for the ENTER key
to act as OK
while in eql49. Sounds like a simple change.
Next change would be to combine the stored library, USEREQ
and directory
library modes so that the root list is a choice of these
modes.
Stephen N
> Iıve never used the equation library on the 48, so Iım not
sure how
> eql49 should work. When I start it, the menus come up Ŝne
(although
> the version at the top is 2.6 even though the lib Ŝlename
is 2.7).
> When I pick a formula and select SLV, I see the soft menus
at the
> bottom for the vars, and the rpn stack at the top (Iım nit
sure this
> is how it should look). If I type a number and select a
soft key, the
> key does not Ŝll in like I would expect. If I then left
shift the var
> I want to solve it seems to work ok. If I then select nxeq
I can move
> between the formulas in the group, but I canıt seem to Ŝnd
a way to
> move back up a level to select a new group of formulas. Is
this a
> limitation, or is something wrong with my installation? Iım
using the
>
> Steve
====
I have looked high and low for a decent example of the
operation of the
3d systems (speciŜcally fast3d) in the 49G.
None of the HP offered examples work, not one. The hp49g pdf
examples
fail. I am frustrated, but not beyond believeing that I have
screwed up.
I have done it before and likely wonıt stop until I am dead :)
I am using the 19-6 rom upgrade (so far so good...)
Additionally, could someone brieŝy explain to me what Masd
does?
Lastly, I know some briliant people read this list, and have
built these
calcs. I would just like to say \Nice job\.
Matt
====
Well, I might have enought knowledge about these 2 program to
be able to
help you...
Fast3D:
Purge the EQ, PPAR and VPAR variable (ie: remove all existing
stuff so we
start from a clean table)
in the 2D/3D menu (shift F4), choose FAST3D mode and enter
the following
equation: ŒSIN(X)*SIN(Y)ı, then press draw.
To make things bettern in the WIN menu (shift F2) enter -3 3
-3 3 for X and
Y and press draw.
you can then use the arrow, + and - and I and L to Œmoveı the
graph.
MASD:
MASD is a system-RPL and assembly compiler. ie: it allows you
to program \
the
calculator in these languages. This is much more complex than
RPL and much
more dangerous (ie: memory lost), however, it allows you to
make much \
faster
programs....
For more information, you should dig in the www.hpcal.org
website and look
for some documentation on programming in these languages...
>
> I have looked high and low for a decent example of the
operation of the
> 3d systems (speciŜcally fast3d) in the 49G.
>
> None of the HP offered examples work, not one. The hp49g
pdf examples
> fail. I am frustrated, but not beyond believeing that I
have screwed up.
> I have done it before and likely wonıt stop until I am dead
:)
>
> I am using the 19-6 rom upgrade (so far so good...)
>
> Additionally, could someone brieŝy explain to me what Masd
does?
>
> Lastly, I know some briliant people read this list, and
have built these
> calcs. I would just like to say \Nice job\.
>
> Matt
>
====
Yea, I guess you might have enough information, huh? :)
Cyrille, I am honored that you would take the time to engage
a lowly
cal. II student about his poorly run calulator, but I really
appreciate it.
Your example worked like a charm. After that worked, I went
back to the
original and (after wiping out the PPAR var and others) used
the following:
z=x^2*y-xy^3
This is the example in the manual(page 4-27 of the pdf).
It shows up as a blank screen after a few moments (10-20 sec)
of
calculating. This is to say that the screen shows a very nice
and normal
display, offering no data other than the compass in the lower
left and
the exit button in the lower right.
Is this a bug, or am I doing something else incorrectly?
Matt
>
> Well, I might have enought knowledge about these 2 program
to be able to
> help you...
>
> Fast3D:
> Purge the EQ, PPAR and VPAR variable (ie: remove all
existing stuff so we
> start from a clean table)
> in the 2D/3D menu (shift F4), choose FAST3D mode and enter
the following
> equation: ŒSIN(X)*SIN(Y)ı, then press draw.
> To make things bettern in the WIN menu (shift F2) enter -3
3 -3 3 for X \
and
> Y and press draw.
> you can then use the arrow, + and - and I and L to Œmoveı
the graph.
>
> MASD:
> MASD is a system-RPL and assembly compiler. ie: it allows
you to program \
the
> calculator in these languages. This is much more complex
than RPL and \
much
> more dangerous (ie: memory lost), however, it allows you to
make much \
faster
> programs....
> For more information, you should dig in the www.hpcal.org
website and \
look
> for some documentation on programming in these languages...
>
>
>
>>
>>I have looked high and low for a decent example of the
operation of the
>>3d systems (speciŜcally fast3d) in the 49G.
>>
>>None of the HP offered examples work, not one. The hp49g
pdf examples
>>fail. I am frustrated, but not beyond believeing that I
have screwed up.
>>I have done it before and likely wonıt stop until I am dead
:)
>>
>>I am using the 19-6 rom upgrade (so far so good...)
>>
>>Additionally, could someone brieŝy explain to me what Masd
does?
>>
>>Lastly, I know some briliant people read this list, and
have built these
>>calcs. I would just like to say \Nice job\.
>>
>>Matt
>>
>>
>
>
====
just a guess: are you entering xy as x * y?
Otherwise the calc would think you refer to
a variable called \xy\. When this variable
isnıt deŜned there will be no valid values
in your plot, hence the empty screen.
Thomas
> Yea, I guess you might have enough information, huh? :)
>
>
> Cyrille, I am honored that you would take the time to
engage a lowly
> cal. II student about his poorly run calulator, but I
really appreciate \
it.
>
> Your example worked like a charm. After that worked, I went
back to the
> original and (after wiping out the PPAR var and others)
used the \
following:
>
> z=x^2*y-xy^3
>
> This is the example in the manual(page 4-27 of the pdf).
> It shows up as a blank screen after a few moments (10-20
sec) of
> calculating. This is to say that the screen shows a very
nice and normal
> display, offering no data other than the compass in the
lower left and
> the exit button in the lower right.
>
> Is this a bug, or am I doing something else incorrectly?
>
> Matt
>
====
Matt
>
> just a guess: are you entering xy as x * y?
> Otherwise the calc would think you refer to
> a variable called \xy\. When this variable
> isnıt deŜned there will be no valid values
> in your plot, hence the empty screen.
>
> Thomas
>
> Yea, I guess you might have enough information, huh? :)
>
>
> Cyrille, I am honored that you would take the time to
engage a lowly
> cal. II student about his poorly run calulator, but I
really appreciate \
it.
>
> Your example worked like a charm. After that worked, I went
back to the \

> original and (after wiping out the PPAR var and others)
used the \
following:
>
> z=x^2*y-xy^3
>
> This is the example in the manual(page 4-27 of the pdf).
> It shows up as a blank screen after a few moments (10-20
sec) of
> calculating. This is to say that the screen shows a very
nice and normal \

> display, offering no data other than the compass in the
lower left and
> the exit button in the lower right.
>
> Is this a bug, or am I doing something else incorrectly?
>
> Matt
>
====
>
> I have looked high and low for a decent example of the
operation of the
> 3d systems (speciŜcally fast3d) in the 49G.
>
> None of the HP offered examples work, not one. The hp49g
pdf examples
> fail. I am frustrated, but not beyond believeing that I
have screwed up.
> I have done it before and likely wonıt stop until I am dead
:)
Red alert! Another suicidal tendency because of usage of the
Hp49G ;-)
To graph a fast3d plot. PURGE Ŝrst the variables EQ, PPAR and
VPAR.
They could contain some parameters that prevent the plot to
show.
Press simoultaneously [blue-shift] and [F4]. Enter your
equation and
choose plot type FAST3D. Enter the two independend variables
in the
input Ŝelds Indep: and Depnd:
Now Press simoultaneously [blue-shift] and [F2]. Enter the
appropriate
number of steps for Indep: and Depnd: (How dense the grid
will be).
Press [F5] and then [F4].
If it didnıt help could you please describe a bit more
detailed what
happens and how the HP49G reacts when you want to plot?
Greetings,
Nick.
====
For sale, two (2) HP 49G calcs located in the UK, both in
excellent
condition and one has hardly been used. Manual(s) included.
Make me a (sensible) offer...
====
What is HP-42X?
It is an HP-42S Extended MicroCode Emulator for HP-48GX/SX
and HP-49G. It
fully emulates the HP-42S calculator because it is based on
the real HP-42
ROM. Beside the emulation, I added some advanced features
(like 96K of RAM
and 31K of port memory) to the original speciŜcations.
Details on how to get it as well as some screen shots are on
my homepage
http://hrastprogrammer.tripod.com...
There are few variations of HP-42X according to the various
calculator
conŜgurations and different user needs. These are:
HP42X48: The FINAL version for HP-48GX with a 128K RAM card
in Slot1 and
>=128K RAM card in Slot2. Uses one RAM card for the
HP-42/Emulator ROM and
another for the HP-42/Emulator RAM.
HP42X48D: The DEMO version for HP-48GX with only one >=128K
RAM card in
either Slot1 or Slot2. Uses RAM card for the HP-42/Emulator
ROM and main
calculator RAM for the HP-42/Emulator RAM. Destroys some
parts of main
calculator RAM!
HP42X48L: The FINAL version for HP-48GX with only one >=128K
RAM card in
either Slot1 or Slot2. Uses RAM card for the HP-42/Emulator
ROM and Port0
for the HP-42/Emulator RAM.
HP42X48S: The FINAL version for HP-48SX with a 128K RAM card
in Port1 and
another 128K RAM card in Port2. Uses one RAM card for the
HP-42/Emulator \
ROM
and another for the HP-42/Emulator RAM.
HP42X49: The FINAL version for HP-49G with both banks of
Port1 empty. Uses
one bank for the HP-42/Emulator ROM and another for the
HP-42/Emulator RAM
(uses the whole Port1).
HP42X49D: The DEMO version for HP-49G with only one bank of
Port1 empty.
Uses this bank for the HP-42/Emulator ROM and and main
calculator RAM for
the HP-42/Emulator RAM. Destroys some parts of main
calculator RAM!
HP42X49L: The FINAL version for HP-49G with only one bank of
Port1 empty.
Uses this bank for the HP-42/Emulator ROM and Port0 for the
HP-42/Emulator
RAM. This version is especially suitable for use with HP-41X
because it
allows you to have both HP-41X and HP-42X installed together
(into Port1).
I am planning one maintenance release of HP-42X for october.
It will \
contain
Ŝxes for all bugs which will (eventually) be discovered as
well as the
following commands:
SAVE for exporting the HP-42 program to HP-48/49,
LOAD for importing the HP-42 program from HP-48/49,
SAVEP for saving the HP-42 program to port memory,
LOADP for loading the HP-42 program from port memory,
PURGE for deleting the HP-42 program from port memory and
CATP for displaying all programs contained in the port memory.
Registered users will get the maintenance release for free
when it will be
released.
====
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:45:56 +0200, \HrastProgrammer\
<groton@vip.hr>
>What is HP-42X?
>
>It is an HP-42S Extended MicroCode Emulator for HP-48GX/SX
and HP-49G. It
>fully emulates the HP-42S calculator because it is based on
the real HP-42
>ROM. Beside the emulation, I added some advanced features
(like 96K of RAM
>and 31K of port memory) to the original speciŜcations.
So I guess this means HP has freely released the 42S ROM for
commercial and non-commercial use alike?
-------------------------------------------------------------
---------------\
---
Jonathan Busby - <jdb@SNMAPOhouston.rr.com>
before replying.
====
> So I guess this means HP has freely released the 42S ROM for
> commercial and non-commercial use alike?
>
No, but you must dump the ROM from your HP-42S and use it
with the emulator
...
====
You know, you are really making it difŜcult for me to resist
buying this
from you. :-)
Gene
--
* All opinions herein expressed are mine and *
* mine alone. You may choose to ignore them *
* but I own them. *
> What is HP-42X?
>
> It is an HP-42S Extended MicroCode Emulator for HP-48GX/SX
and HP-49G. It
> fully emulates the HP-42S calculator because it is based on
the real \
HP-42
> ROM. Beside the emulation, I added some advanced features
(like 96K of \
RAM
> and 31K of port memory) to the original speciŜcations.
>
> Details on how to get it as well as some screen shots are
on my homepage
> http://hrastprogrammer.tripod.com...
>
> There are few variations of HP-42X according to the various
calculator
> conŜgurations and different user needs. These are:
>
> HP42X48: The FINAL version for HP-48GX with a 128K RAM card
in Slot1 and
>=128K RAM card in Slot2. Uses one RAM card for the
HP-42/Emulator ROM \
and
> another for the HP-42/Emulator RAM.
>
> HP42X48D: The DEMO version for HP-48GX with only one >=128K
RAM card in
> either Slot1 or Slot2. Uses RAM card for the HP-42/Emulator
ROM and main
> calculator RAM for the HP-42/Emulator RAM. Destroys some
parts of main
> calculator RAM!
>
> HP42X48L: The FINAL version for HP-48GX with only one
>=128K RAM card in
> either Slot1 or Slot2. Uses RAM card for the HP-42/Emulator
ROM and Port0
> for the HP-42/Emulator RAM.
>
> HP42X48S: The FINAL version for HP-48SX with a 128K RAM
card in Port1 and
> another 128K RAM card in Port2. Uses one RAM card for the
HP-42/Emulator
ROM
> and another for the HP-42/Emulator RAM.
>
> HP42X49: The FINAL version for HP-49G with both banks of
Port1 empty. \
Uses
> one bank for the HP-42/Emulator ROM and another for the
HP-42/Emulator \
RAM
> (uses the whole Port1).
>
> HP42X49D: The DEMO version for HP-49G with only one bank of
Port1 empty.
> Uses this bank for the HP-42/Emulator ROM and and main
calculator RAM for
> the HP-42/Emulator RAM. Destroys some parts of main
calculator RAM!
>
> HP42X49L: The FINAL version for HP-49G with only one bank
of Port1 empty.
> Uses this bank for the HP-42/Emulator ROM and Port0 for the
\
HP-42/Emulator
> RAM. This version is especially suitable for use with
HP-41X because it
> allows you to have both HP-41X and HP-42X installed
together (into \
Port1).
>
> I am planning one maintenance release of HP-42X for
october. It will
contain
> Ŝxes for all bugs which will (eventually) be discovered as
well as the
> following commands:
>
> SAVE for exporting the HP-42 program to HP-48/49,
> LOAD for importing the HP-42 program from HP-48/49,
> SAVEP for saving the HP-42 program to port memory,
> LOADP for loading the HP-42 program from port memory,
> PURGE for deleting the HP-42 program from port memory and
> CATP for displaying all programs contained in the port
memory.
>
> Registered users will get the maintenance release for free
when it will \
be
> released.
>
>
>
>
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If anyone is interested I am selling both books on half.com
they have never
been used and are in exhalent condition. I am also selling my
hp49 calc
(id94202887) it is a new replacement calc from hp barely
used. it