A131 > I am trying to interface one of my HP-48's to a Radio Shack DMM with > an RS-232 port. The meter requires 600 baud. Any way to get the calculator > to run that baud rate. Not that I know of, but it has been discussed before. Try searching for 600 baud and similar in the newsgroup archive at: http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search?group=comp.sys.hp48 For more general information on these calculators, see: http://www.hpcalc.org/ and http://www.engr.uvic.ca/~aschoorl/ -- James ==== > > I'm sure that other languages must have their good points, but I'm for > the most part blissfully ignorant of them. I'm sure they do, but that's as off-topic as the Irak discussion. Nothing to do with HP calculators. This newsgroup becomes more and more like a personal board with a few people case with Veli-Pekka posting mostly off-topic (and that I personally find uninteresting) stuff but more and more people are joining. This has to stop! This newsgroup is about HP calculators, and HP calculators only. ==== > > > > > I'm sure that other languages must have their good points, but I'm for > > the most part blissfully ignorant of them. > > I'm sure they do, but that's as off-topic as the Irak discussion. > Nothing to do with HP calculators. Yes, I was well aware of that, but at least this branch is a lot more fun than that discussion. I would've thought it much less likely to provoke further flaming than that topic. Excuse me for being human. > This newsgroup becomes more and more like a personal board with a few people > case with Veli-Pekka posting mostly off-topic (and that I personally find > uninteresting) stuff but more and more people are joining. It looks to me as if most (all?) of the persons posting off-topic also contribute to on-topic discussions, and vice versa. We have a saying: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. > This has to stop! This newsgroup is about HP calculators, and HP calculators > only. HP calculators (especially the RPL models) are the greatest things since hot and cold running water, and I hope that HP markets an even better model soon. Did someone pee in your Wheaties? Lighten up; get some sleep, or if you've just woken up, have a coffee. not about HP calculators. I'm sure that that will still leave you with something to read. -- James ==== > > How can I complete the square on my hp49g? How much detail are you looking for concerning how it got its answer? [Factor] and [solve] will complete the square, but it won't tell you how. You might be able to do it on the in equation writer using basic algebra (+ - * / [FACTOR]), but it's almost easier to do on paper. --CS ==== > [Factor] and [solve] will complete the square, but it won't tell you how. > > You might be able to do it on the in equation writer using basic algebra > (+ - * / [FACTOR]), but it's almost easier to do on paper. For example, I want: x^2 + 2*x + 2 = (x + 1)^2 + 1 [Factor] doesn't seem to let me get it into that form. [Solve] seems to give me the integral roots. The reason I want it in this form is that the laplace transform of a sine or cosine is easy to see in this form. Of course, I guess I could just go ILAP. -- Titus Barik (barik@ieee.org) ==== int.gatech.edu: > > How can I complete the square on my hp49g? http://www.hpcalc.org/search.php?query=complete+and+the+and+square Take a look into Quadro and SqrComp. ==== > Next Sunday we will switch to daylight saving time in Europe. > In the US the switch will be done one week later. A week passed... I think we switch to Summer time in Europe this night. The small revised AdjustCK on my site below does not only DST switching but highly precise clock adjustment and calibration very easily in a graphic environement on a running analog clock. In this environment you see jumping the hour-, minute- and sec-fingers on the clock's face when adjusting the time or switching DST or the time zone. The main concern of this post is to thank Heiko Arnemann who created the first drafts of html-docus for many of my tools, Keyman, Unitman, Libman etc. He also created most of the integrated pictures. I hope that the new documents are more easily readable by newbees than the older ASCII text files. I also reorganized my HP49 site. For the HP48 I had no time. Much of it could and should be re-ported from the 49. If somebody has - Wolfgang ftp://ftp.math.fu-berlin.de/pub/usr/raut/HP49/time/AdjustCk/ ==== Daylight savings time is the dumbest concept EVER!!! And I am lucky enough to live in Indiana were it is not used. ==== Can you type letters with the keyboard or only with the on-screen keyboard and stylus? Is programming TI-68k and HP style where you type in the commands letter by letter or TI-Z80 and Casio style where everything is only accessed through menus? After using the Casio AFX 2.0 for some time Im glad to see them add strings to Basic. ==== > Emulator for PC of the new CASIO ClassPad300 > > Casio ha sacado el emulador para MSWindows de la nueva CASIO > ClassPad300. > Hoy 26 de marzo lo descargu.8e y aun no he probado el (Sistema de > .8dlgebra Computacional C.A.S.) que es para mi, lo que mas valor tiene > en una calculadora de ultima generaci.97n > Desafortunadamente este emulador esta protegido y se puede evaluar > solo en 90dias o 999 ejecuciones (Lo primero que se cumpla) > > I Caracter.92sticas del VirtualCASIOClassPad300 Yes, but do you have a direct link to that emulator? I was unfortunately unable to locate it. (I searched for 2 hours) ==== > Yes, but do you have a direct link to that emulator? > I was unfortunately unable to locate it. (I searched for 2 hours) It was available at www.classpad.de but it seems impossible to connect correctly... ==== Insert rant about signal to noise. Here you go: www.classpad.de/manager You will have to fill out a form. -Samuel ==== > Insert rant about signal to noise. > > Here you go: > > www.classpad.de/manager > > You will have to fill out a form. > > -Samuel ==== >and they don't have TOC or index links in the document, I noticed the same thing. Even HP's 49 docs have some kind of indexing. I ordered and recieved the paper copies. It took about two weeks. They are VERY informative books, but don't expect them to be well made or well edited. One of my pages fell out and I'm finding spelling errors. There's a few mistakes, but they're fairly easy to sort out. I thought it was cool that they gave me the electronic version to tide me over until I got the hard-copy. Very good books. I hope Gilbert Urroz revises them someday. --CS ==== > In a previous post (I can't recall exactly which one), it was > mentioned that Urroz's books were available on greatunpublished.com. I > would like to get myself a copy, but since I don't know the web that > well, I just wanted to know if anyone here had ever had any trouble in > dealing with greatunpublished.com or should they be considered a > reliable company? It seems that I had better luck than some. I ordered both books and was able to download the PDF versions as soon as I paid, and the hard-copies arrived in a reasonable time. But the books had pagination errors; trivial in Volume 2, but bad enough to make much of the index pretty much unusable in Volume 1. They refused to take any responsibility for the pagination errors, (perhaps rightly) putting all of the blame on the author. Eventually the pagination errors in Volume 1 were fixed, and I was allowed a free download of the PDF copy. But I'm stuck with the hard-copy with the errors; it seems that the only way to get a replacement is to buy a new one (or print it myself from the PDF file). Later, I found out that my PDF copies could no longer be opened; seems that they were past the expiration date. I got to download new ones to replace them, so they did make good on it, but it was an extra hassle. Note that they don't necessarily do the proofreading and editing and so on that you'd ordinarily expect of a publisher. They obviously didn't for these books. By the way, be sure to keep a copy of the .exe files, not just the PDF files. The .exe files install a plug-in needed to open the file. Once, after upgrading Acrobat Reader, I had to run an .exe file again to re-install the plug-in. -- James ==== > I just ordered the electronic version of Book 1 as I'm in Europe. They took > my money fine, and the download worked... The book is a special EXE that > runs a PDF file.. not the absolutely greatest font for reading or printing You mean the version you received can be printed? My version is locked so that I can only look at it. I cannot bookmark it nor can I print it. I'm not certain what is what at this point in time. > easily, and they don't have TOC or index links in the document, but it's > readable on all my computers here. > > I'll probably order Book II when I get that far up the math food chain... > but I wish he'd go back and re-format the electronic version to be a tad > more electronic... > > Al... > > >>In a previous post (I can't recall exactly which one), it was >>mentioned that Urroz's books were available on greatunpublished.com. I >>would like to get myself a copy, but since I don't know the web that >>well, I just wanted to know if anyone here had ever had any trouble in >>dealing with greatunpublished.com or should they be considered a >>reliable company? >> > > > ==== > > I just ordered the electronic version of Book 1 as I'm in Europe. They took > > my money fine, and the download worked... The book is a special EXE that > > runs a PDF file.. not the absolutely greatest font for reading or printing > You mean the version you received can be printed? My version is locked > so that I can only look at it. I cannot bookmark it nor can I print it. > I'm not certain what is what at this point in time. There are no bookmarks in my PDF file and I can't add anything like notes or comments, but it prints out with no problem. As long as I can open the file that is; don't lose track of the original .exe file that installs the FileOpen plug-in. If I were you, I'd have a few words with GreatUnpublished. -- James ==== I can print it.. but can't change it or select anything in it. As I said, the font is kind of dithered so isn't the best for reading on the screen... My acrobat reader is version 4. Al... > > I just ordered the electronic version of Book 1 as I'm in Europe. They took > > my money fine, and the download worked... The book is a special EXE that > > runs a PDF file.. not the absolutely greatest font for reading or printing > You mean the version you received can be printed? My version is locked > so that I can only look at it. I cannot bookmark it nor can I print it. > I'm not certain what is what at this point in time. > > > > easily, and they don't have TOC or index links in the document, but it's > > readable on all my computers here. > > > > I'll probably order Book II when I get that far up the math food chain... > > but I wish he'd go back and re-format the electronic version to be a tad > > more electronic... > > > > Al... > > > > > >>In a previous post (I can't recall exactly which one), it was > >>mentioned that Urroz's books were available on greatunpublished.com. I > >>would like to get myself a copy, but since I don't know the web that > >>well, I just wanted to know if anyone here had ever had any trouble in > >>dealing with greatunpublished.com or should they be considered a > >>reliable company? > >> > > > > > > > ==== The alpha, alarm, busy and transmit symbol is on when my HP48SX is switched on. Do anyone know how to clear them ? What is wrong ? -- Torgeir Jakobsen torgeirj@start.no ==== Is there an electronic version of the hp48 manuals are available ? (s ou g versions) ==== www.hpcalc.org Cardon Matthieu schrieb im Newsbeitrag > > Is there an electronic version of the hp48 manuals are available ? (s ou g > versions) ==== > www.hpcalc.org Found the link to http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~rechlin/hpcalc/hp48gug.zip ==== Roman >You have to press [L-SHIFT]&[F1-F6] (means press them both together when in >RPN mode) YES.... I see now... HOLD DOWN [L-shift] it actually was in the book, on the page describing the operation of the [L-shift] key... how silly of me >How about [L-SHIFT]-[ON] (this will halt the calc and you can copy whatever >you want) >[L-SHIFT]-[ON] (the calc continues and you can paste your expresson into the >equation writer Y=' ') want then press enter.... if it's a variable, just make sure its in history. >I used an HP48G for some time before I got the 49 but hardly use the 48 >anymore. The 49 is realy an improved HP48 IMO. Well I may get to appreciate it as much as you guys eventually... just a slow learner, I guess. ==== I never read the FAQ or saw the pictures on Klotz's site prior to purchase.... I simply went to the site and ordered directly, based on a recommendation I read in here. But I have installed the cards and tested them and MINE ARE WORKING GREAT AS WELL. My initial concerns were that ONE - the solder blobs might be able to touch the metal plane of my other Pocket Professional cards and possibly short something and TWO - that I would not be able to get the Klotz's out of the calculator easily once they had been inserted.. BOTH these concerns proved to be false. there is sufficient clearance for the cards in either slot 1 or 2 AND I found a way to extract them from both slot 1 and 2 easily. So all thats left is for me to say THANKS first to Mr. Klotz for producing such a fine product and then to the rest of you in here for responding to evryone's post.... even when it seems a bit silly :) ==== Uh...ooooh... NO it says version #1.18, HP 2000 when I execute the version command. ...... and I don't have a flag -123.... highest flag is -120 approx mode because the expression contained a constant with a decimal part.... and I kept defying it by refusing to allow it to switch.... therefore I was the person cancelling the mode switch... and the calculator was telling me so.... kinda neat huh.... but I found it agravating until I realised what was happening. ==== Alex Did your calc come with ROM ver 1.19-6 ? If not can you explain exactly what to do to get it there ? Stephen ==== MendesS schrieb > Did your calc come with ROM ver 1.19-6 ? > > If not can you explain exactly what to do to get it there ? Have a look here: http://etud.epita.fr:8000/~avenar_j/hp/49.html ..Heiko ==== Jean-Dennis, Sorry... maybe I missed something... WHICH model TI calculator do your carry as your second machine ??? I have hp48 and hp49 and I am looking into getting TI also, hence my curiosity What is it that goes beond TI's abilities ? >Out of pure nostalgia, I guess... I also find the HP more fun to use than the > >TI, but I guess this is because I am more or less a techie. > >A more objective reason is that I feel that I need to carry *two* calculators > >with me, even for the 5% cases I need to go beyond the TI abilities. > >Jean-Denis ==== > Will you all then apology (HP, the NG, not ME) in this newsgroup > when HP officially releases it's new line of Saturn based > calculators, which will replace the current ones > ??? I'm not sure I would be ready to apologize to HP, but an apology to HP to continue with the Saturn series. One of the main problems with the HP49G was its ancient hardware. BTW, for whoever's interested, my site was completely restored about a week back (so please let me know if you run into any problems). -- Bhuvanesh ==== > Mass debating? Joe Horn's a good guy for either of those. -- James ==== > > > Is there any way to intentionally cause the NO SYSTEM error?? > Whats that about erasing a bank? Couldnt do that. Maybe it's rude of me to say so, but I'm glad to read that. > > Or you could execute something like: NO SYSTEM DOERR > > > > Why would you want to do this anyway? Trying to give someone a heart > > attack? > > > lol. i wanna show a friend the error, and most importantly how to fix > it. On your own 49G or your friend's? I think that fixing it would be a matter either of pressing the Q key or downloading the flash ROM to the calculator, but I must admit that I don't have all that much experience with the No System condition. > the NO SYSTEM DOERR would do good for the heart attack. erasing a > bank seems interesting, please help me o n that one. This is another thing that I have very little experience with. Seems to me that if you erased a bank used for the operating system flash ROM, then the 49G wouldn't be much good for anything other than a paperweight until you re-flashed it. If you erased a bank used for port 2, then there's a reasonably good chance that you'd lose something that was stored there. If you're up to a practical joke, remember that paybacks are hell; best not to cause a real No System condition. But if you really want to pursue this matter, then I suggest that you start by getting a bit of practice downloading the flash ROM. -- James ==== > > Maybe it's rude of me to say so, but I'm glad to read that. > > On your own 49G or your friend's? I think that fixing it would be a > matter either of pressing the Q key or downloading the flash ROM to the > calculator, but I must admit that I don't have all that much experience > with the No System condition. > On my own (or even better an emulator) > > the NO SYSTEM DOERR would do good for the heart attack. erasing a > > bank seems interesting, please help me o n that one. > > This is another thing that I have very little experience with. Seems to > me that if you erased a bank used for the operating system flash ROM, > then the 49G wouldn't be much good for anything other than a paperweight > until you re-flashed it. If you erased a bank used for port 2, then > there's a reasonably good chance that you'd lose something that was > stored there. > > If you're up to a practical joke, remember that paybacks are hell; > best not to cause a real No System condition. > agreed. For practical jokes its besto to go ON+D and then + enter on, which can be fixed (at least for me) > But if you really want to pursue this matter, then I suggest that you > start by getting a bit of practice downloading the flash ROM. I have... i have... One last thing- what are the easiest ways to erase a bank? [AC] ==== I have an HP49G. Current ROM is 1.19-6. I would like to zap everything and reset the whole bloody calculator to the state it was in when received from the factory. BTW it had ROM 1.18. Can anyone advise. I am getting extremely strange results and cannot seem to correct. Any advice would be appreciated. Barry ==== You would have to re-flash the ROM to 1-18 to restore the ROM. But you can be sure that 19-6 is not causing any extremely strange problems, other than previously reported bugs, so why bother? ==== r9rha.1886$lZ2.184179@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net, BMG > I have an HP49G. Current ROM is 1.19-6. I would like to zap everything > and reset the whole bloody calculator to the state it was in when > received from the factory. BTW it had ROM 1.18. Can anyone advise. I > am getting extremely strange results and cannot seem to correct. > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > Barry > To reset the memory press at the same time: ON-A-F. When asked if you want to recover the memory: press no. This will not put your calculator back to ROM 1.18. If you could explain what your problems are in a more specific manner, I'm sure you will get an answer. You can always flash your calculator back to ROM 1.18 but this will be a mistake. Feature-wise and bug-wise, 1.19-6 is far better ==== Jetzt auch mit HTML-Doku in Deutsch http://users.belgacom.net/EAA/Heiko/HP49/index.htm ..Heiko ==== How do you find the variance and standard deviation of a probability sample on a 49G? For example, I have the following: x 1 2 3 p 0.5 0.2 0.3 How do I find the variance and standard deviation? ==== You are right, I am wrong and apologize. But the 48GX is still the best!! Rod > > > One more time! HPGX get it not your 49 toy!!! Start anoter NG for that once > > and for all!! > > > Why that deep rooted hate my dear HPXX co-user? > Do not be such a racist against the 49ers! > We are all friends here :-) united under a > common cause against all external evil that > attempts to divide us and destroy the RPL land > of happiness that we support with our sweat! > Besides, face it, once and for all >:-O , that > the HP49 is a more complete machine compared > to any of the previous RPL calcs! > :-) > Any one care to defend my opinion against the > more conservative fellows of this newsgroup? > > !Demeter! ==== Veli-Pekka, knowledgble person on the HP calculators and sincerely value your input. Keep up the great work!!! Rod > X > > HP4x? I haven't seen much discussion of the 41C, 41CX, 41CV, 42S, 45, or > > 46 on this newsgroup. ==== ==== > I am trying to interface one of my HP-48's to a Radio Shack DMM with > an RS-232 port. The meter requires 600 baud. Any way to get the calculator > to run that baud rate. Not that I know of, but it has been discussed before. Try searching for 600 baud and similar in the newsgroup archive at: http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search?group=comp.sys.hp48 For more general information on these calculators, see: http://www.hpcalc.org/ and http://www.engr.uvic.ca/~aschoorl/ -- James ==== > > I'm sure that other languages must have their good points, but I'm for > the most part blissfully ignorant of them. I'm sure they do, but that's as off-topic as the Irak discussion. Nothing to do with HP calculators. This newsgroup becomes more and more like a personal board with a few people case with Veli-Pekka posting mostly off-topic (and that I personally find uninteresting) stuff but more and more people are joining. This has to stop! This newsgroup is about HP calculators, and HP calculators only. ==== > > > > > I'm sure that other languages must have their good points, but I'm for > > the most part blissfully ignorant of them. > > I'm sure they do, but that's as off-topic as the Irak discussion. > Nothing to do with HP calculators. Yes, I was well aware of that, but at least this branch is a lot more fun than that discussion. I would've thought it much less likely to provoke further flaming than that topic. Excuse me for being human. > This newsgroup becomes more and more like a personal board with a few people > case with Veli-Pekka posting mostly off-topic (and that I personally find > uninteresting) stuff but more and more people are joining. It looks to me as if most (all?) of the persons posting off-topic also contribute to on-topic discussions, and vice versa. We have a saying: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. > This has to stop! This newsgroup is about HP calculators, and HP calculators > only. HP calculators (especially the RPL models) are the greatest things since hot and cold running water, and I hope that HP markets an even better model soon. Did someone pee in your Wheaties? Lighten up; get some sleep, or if you've just woken up, have a coffee. not about HP calculators. I'm sure that that will still leave you with something to read. -- James ==== > > How can I complete the square on my hp49g? How much detail are you looking for concerning how it got its answer? [Factor] and [solve] will complete the square, but it won't tell you how. You might be able to do it on the in equation writer using basic algebra (+ - * / [FACTOR]), but it's almost easier to do on paper. --CS ==== > Next Sunday we will switch to daylight saving time in Europe. > In the US the switch will be done one week later. A week passed... I think we switch to Summer time in Europe this night. The small revised AdjustCK on my site below does not only DST switching but highly precise clock adjustment and calibration very easily in a graphic environement on a running analog clock. In this environment you see jumping the hour-, minute- and sec-fingers on the clock's face when adjusting the time or switching DST or the time zone. The main concern of this post is to thank Heiko Arnemann who created the first drafts of html-docus for many of my tools, Keyman, Unitman, Libman etc. He also created most of the integrated pictures. I hope that the new documents are more easily readable by newbees than the older ASCII text files. I also reorganized my HP49 site. For the HP48 I had no time. Much of it could and should be re-ported from the 49. If somebody has - Wolfgang ftp://ftp.math.fu-berlin.de/pub/usr/raut/HP49/time/AdjustCk/ ==== Can you type letters with the keyboard or only with the on-screen keyboard and stylus? Is programming TI-68k and HP style where you type in the commands letter by letter or TI-Z80 and Casio style where everything is only accessed through menus? After using the Casio AFX 2.0 for some time Im glad to see them add strings to Basic. ==== > Emulator for PC of the new CASIO ClassPad300 > > Casio ha sacado el emulador para MSWindows de la nueva CASIO > ClassPad300. > Hoy 26 de marzo lo descargu.8e y aun no he probado el (Sistema de > .8dlgebra Computacional C.A.S.) que es para mi, lo que mas valor tiene > en una calculadora de ultima generaci.97n > Desafortunadamente este emulador esta protegido y se puede evaluar > solo en 90dias o 999 ejecuciones (Lo primero que se cumpla) > > I Caracter.92sticas del VirtualCASIOClassPad300 Yes, but do you have a direct link to that emulator? I was unfortunately unable to locate it. (I searched for 2 hours) ==== > Yes, but do you have a direct link to that emulator? > I was unfortunately unable to locate it. (I searched for 2 hours) It was available at www.classpad.de but it seems impossible to connect correctly... ==== >and they don't have TOC or index links in the document, I noticed the same thing. Even HP's 49 docs have some kind of indexing. I ordered and recieved the paper copies. It took about two weeks. They are VERY informative books, but don't expect them to be well made or well edited. One of my pages fell out and I'm finding spelling errors. There's a few mistakes, but they're fairly easy to sort out. I thought it was cool that they gave me the electronic version to tide me over until I got the hard-copy. Very good books. I hope Gilbert Urroz revises them someday. --CS ==== > In a previous post (I can't recall exactly which one), it was > mentioned that Urroz's books were available on greatunpublished.com. I > would like to get myself a copy, but since I don't know the web that > well, I just wanted to know if anyone here had ever had any trouble in > dealing with greatunpublished.com or should they be considered a > reliable company? It seems that I had better luck than some. I ordered both books and was able to download the PDF versions as soon as I paid, and the hard-copies arrived in a reasonable time. But the books had pagination errors; trivial in Volume 2, but bad enough to make much of the index pretty much unusable in Volume 1. They refused to take any responsibility for the pagination errors, (perhaps rightly) putting all of the blame on the author. Eventually the pagination errors in Volume 1 were fixed, and I was allowed a free download of the PDF copy. But I'm stuck with the hard-copy with the errors; it seems that the only way to get a replacement is to buy a new one (or print it myself from the PDF file). Later, I found out that my PDF copies could no longer be opened; seems that they were past the expiration date. I got to download new ones to replace them, so they did make good on it, but it was an extra hassle. Note that they don't necessarily do the proofreading and editing and so on that you'd ordinarily expect of a publisher. They obviously didn't for these books. By the way, be sure to keep a copy of the .exe files, not just the PDF files. The .exe files install a plug-in needed to open the file. Once, after upgrading Acrobat Reader, I had to run an .exe file again to re-install the plug-in. -- James ==== Roman >You have to press [L-SHIFT]&[F1-F6] (means press them both together when in >RPN mode) YES.... I see now... HOLD DOWN [L-shift] it actually was in the book, on the page describing the operation of the [L-shift] key... how silly of me >How about [L-SHIFT]-[ON] (this will halt the calc and you can copy whatever >you want) >[L-SHIFT]-[ON] (the calc continues and you can paste your expresson into the >equation writer Y=' ') want then press enter.... if it's a variable, just make sure its in history. >I used an HP48G for some time before I got the 49 but hardly use the 48 >anymore. The 49 is realy an improved HP48 IMO. Well I may get to appreciate it as much as you guys eventually... just a slow learner, I guess. ==== I never read the FAQ or saw the pictures on Klotz's site prior to purchase.... I simply went to the site and ordered directly, based on a recommendation I read in here. But I have installed the cards and tested them and MINE ARE WORKING GREAT AS WELL. My initial concerns were that ONE - the solder blobs might be able to touch the metal plane of my other Pocket Professional cards and possibly short something and TWO - that I would not be able to get the Klotz's out of the calculator easily once they had been inserted.. BOTH these concerns proved to be false. there is sufficient clearance for the cards in either slot 1 or 2 AND I found a way to extract them from both slot 1 and 2 easily. So all thats left is for me to say THANKS first to Mr. Klotz for producing such a fine product and then to the rest of you in here for responding to evryone's post.... even when it seems a bit silly :) ==== Uh...ooooh... NO it says version #1.18, HP 2000 when I execute the version command. ...... and I don't have a flag -123.... highest flag is -120 approx mode because the expression contained a constant with a decimal part.... and I kept defying it by refusing to allow it to switch.... therefore I was the person cancelling the mode switch... and the calculator was telling me so.... kinda neat huh.... but I found it agravating until I realised what was happening. ==== Alex Did your calc come with ROM ver 1.19-6 ? If not can you explain exactly what to do to get it there ? Stephen ==== > Mass debating? Joe Horn's a good guy for either of those. -- James ==== > > > Is there any way to intentionally cause the NO SYSTEM error?? > Whats that about erasing a bank? Couldnt do that. Maybe it's rude of me to say so, but I'm glad to read that. > > Or you could execute something like: NO SYSTEM DOERR > > > > Why would you want to do this anyway? Trying to give someone a heart > > attack? > > > lol. i wanna show a friend the error, and most importantly how to fix > it. On your own 49G or your friend's? I think that fixing it would be a matter either of pressing the Q key or downloading the flash ROM to the calculator, but I must admit that I don't have all that much experience with the No System condition. > the NO SYSTEM DOERR would do good for the heart attack. erasing a > bank seems interesting, please help me o n that one. This is another thing that I have very little experience with. Seems to me that if you erased a bank used for the operating system flash ROM, then the 49G wouldn't be much good for anything other than a paperweight until you re-flashed it. If you erased a bank used for port 2, then there's a reasonably good chance that you'd lose something that was stored there. If you're up to a practical joke, remember that paybacks are hell; best not to cause a real No System condition. But if you really want to pursue this matter, then I suggest that you start by getting a bit of practice downloading the flash ROM. -- James ==== > > Maybe it's rude of me to say so, but I'm glad to read that. > > On your own 49G or your friend's? I think that fixing it would be a > matter either of pressing the Q key or downloading the flash ROM to the > calculator, but I must admit that I don't have all that much experience > with the No System condition. > On my own (or even better an emulator) > > the NO SYSTEM DOERR would do good for the heart attack. erasing a > > bank seems interesting, please help me o n that one. > > This is another thing that I have very little experience with. Seems to > me that if you erased a bank used for the operating system flash ROM, > then the 49G wouldn't be much good for anything other than a paperweight > until you re-flashed it. If you erased a bank used for port 2, then > there's a reasonably good chance that you'd lose something that was > stored there. > > If you're up to a practical joke, remember that paybacks are hell; > best not to cause a real No System condition. > agreed. For practical jokes its besto to go ON+D and then + enter on, which can be fixed (at least for me) > But if you really want to pursue this matter, then I suggest that you > start by getting a bit of practice downloading the flash ROM. I have... i have... One last thing- what are the easiest ways to erase a bank? [AC] ==== You are right, I am wrong and apologize. But the 48GX is still the best!! Rod > > > One more time! HPGX get it not your 49 toy!!! Start anoter NG for that once > > and for all!! > > > Why that deep rooted hate my dear HPXX co-user? > Do not be such a racist against the 49ers! > We are all friends here :-) united under a > common cause against all external evil that > attempts to divide us and destroy the RPL land > of happiness that we support with our sweat! > Besides, face it, once and for all >:-O , that > the HP49 is a more complete machine compared > to any of the previous RPL calcs! > :-) > Any one care to defend my opinion against the > more conservative fellows of this newsgroup? > > !Demeter! ==== Veli-Pekka, knowledgble person on the HP calculators and sincerely value your input. Keep up the great work!!! Rod > X > > HP4x? I haven't seen much discussion of the 41C, 41CX, 41CV, 42S, 45, or > > 46 on this newsgroup. > So HP 40G would be in and HP 39G (or 38G) would be out. > How about: > 'comp.sys.hp.symbolic' > ?? > Veli-Pekka > > ==== > I am trying to interface one of my HP-48's to a Radio Shack DMM with > an RS-232 port. The meter requires 600 baud. Any way to get the calculator > to run that baud rate. Not that I know of, but it has been discussed before. Try searching for 600 baud and similar in the newsgroup archive at: http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search?group=comp.sys.hp48 For more general information on these calculators, see: http://www.hpcalc.org/ and http://www.engr.uvic.ca/~aschoorl/ -- James ==== This small (ahem...) script converts MASD to GNUTools syntax. Since I don't really feel like supporting a mess of a script, I thought I'd post it here :) It's under the GPL: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt I needed it to convert the sources of my compiler project (still in the making, after more than a year, sorry), since I wanted to automate the bison table conversion and take advance of the big screen :) It does a pretty good job now, but you shouldn't batch process all your sources, it's not *that* good. Better convert small sections at a time and then correct and edit them by hand. (That's still way easier than retyping everything in SASM syntax!) C-u M-| /path/to/script/masd2sasm.pl RET (M-| is 'shell-command-on-region') know how much this sort of posts is appreciated. Greetings Thomas -=- 8< -=- CUT HERE -=- 8< -=- CUT HERE -=- 8< -=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w # License: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt use strict; my @instr = split /s+|[%;].*n/, join (, <>); my $i = shift @instr; my $f = (A|B|P|X|XS|W|WP|S); my $r = ([ABCD]); my $lnum = 0; my (@begin, @end); sub label { sprintf L%04x, $lnum++; } sub openblock { my ($b, $e) = (label (), label ()); push @begin, $b; push @end, $e; ($b, $e); } # MASD abbreviations # each line must have a t in front to distinguish it from a label! my %abbrev = ( SAVE => tGOSBVL =SAVPTRn, LOAD => tGOSBVL =GETPTRn, LOADRPL => tGOSBVL =GETPTRLOOPn, RPL => tA=DAT0tAntD0=D0+t5ntPC=(A)n, LOOP => tA=DAT0tAntD0=D0+t5ntPC=(A)n, SCREEN => tGOSBVL =D0->Row1n, MENU => tGOSBVL =D0->Sft1n, INTOFF2 => tGOSBVL =DisableIntrn, INTON2 => tGOSBVL =AllowIntrn, ERROR_C => tGOSBVL =ErrjmpCn, A=IN2 => tGOSBVL =AINRTNn, C=IN2 => tGOSBVL =CINRTNn, OUT=C=IN => tGOSBVL =OUTCINRTNn, RES.STR => tGOSBVL =MAKE$Nn, RES.ROOM => tGOSBVL =GETTEMPn, RESRAM => tGOSBVL =MAKERAM$n, SHRINK$ => tGOSBVL =Shrink$n, COPY<- => tGOSBVL =MOVEDOWNn, COPYDN => tGOSBVL =MOVEDOWNn, COPY-> => tGOSBVL =MOVEUPn, COPYUP => tGOSBVL =MOVEUPn, DISP => tGOSBVL =DBUGn, DISPKEY => tGOSBVL =DBUG.KEYn, SRKLST => tGOSBVL =Shrink$Listn, ZEROMEM => tGOSBVL =WIPEOUTn, MULT.A => tGOSBVL =MULTBACn, MULT => tGOSBVL =MPYn, DIV.A => tGOSBVL =IntDivn, BEEP => tGOSBVL =makebeepn ); # Instructions without field argument # Note that the 1's are dummies and not used my %passthru = ( ASLC => 1, ASRC => 1, BSLC => 1, BSRC => 1, CSLC => 1, CSRC => 1, DSLC => 1, DSRC => 1, A=IN => 1, C=IN => 1, PC=A => 1, PC=C => 1, PC=(A) => 1, PC=(C) => 1, D0=A => 1, D0=C => 1, D0=AS => 1, D0=CS => 1, D1=A => 1, D1=C => 1, D1=AS => 1, D1=CS => 1, AD0EX => 1, CD0EX => 1, AD0XS => 1, CD0XS => 1, AD1EX => 1, CD1EX => 1, AD1XS => 1, CD1XS => 1, CLRST => 1, C=ST => 1, ST=C => 1, CSTEX => 1, OUT=C => 1, OUT=CS => 1, UNCNFG => 1, CONFIG => 1, RESET => 1, C=ID => 1, BUSCB => 1, BUSCC => 1, BUSCD => 1, SREQ? => 1, SHUTDN => 1, INTOFF => 1, INTON => 1, RSI => 1, SETHEX => 1, SETDEC => 1, RTN => 1, RTNSXM => 1, RTNSC => 1, RTNCC => 1, RTNC => 1, RTNNC => 1, P+1 => 1, P-1 => 1, C+P+1 => 1, C=RSTK => 1, RSTK=C => 1 ); # Instructions which invariably require a single argument my %onearg = ( GOC => 1, GONC => 1, GOTO => 1, GOLONG => 1, GOVLNG => 1, GOSUB => 1, GOSUBL => 1, GOSBVL => 1, D0=(2) => 1, D0=(4) => 1, D0=(5) => 1, D1=(2) => 1, D1=(4) => 1, D1=(5) => 1 ); # Inverted tests # keys are regexps, values must eval() to the substitution string my %testinv = ( ?$r=$r.$f => q{?$1#$2.$3}, ?$r#$r.$f => q{?$1=$2.$3}, ?$r=0.$f => q{?$1#0.$2}, ?$r#0.$f => q{?$1=0.$2}, ?$r>$r.$f => q{?$1<=$2.$3}, ?$r<=$r.$f => q{?$1>$2.$3}, ?$r<$r.$f => q{?$1>=$2.$3}, ?$r>=$r.$f => q{?$1<$2.$3}, ?ST=0.(d+) => q{?ST=1.$1}, ?ST=1.(d+) => q{?ST=0.$1}, ?[AC]BIT=0.(d+) => q{?$1BIT=1.$2}, ?[AC]BIT=1.(d+) => q{?$1BIT=0.$2}, ?P=(d+) => q{?P#$1}, ?P#(d+) => q{?P=$1} ); # Skip and Skip-Else instructions and the jump they translate to my %skips = ( SKIP => GOTO, SKIPL => GOTOL, SKIPC => GOC, SKC => GOC, SKIPNC => GONC, SKNC => GONC, SKUB => GOSUB, SKUBL => GOSUBL ); my %skelse = ( SKELSE => GOTO, SKLSE => GOTO, SKEC => GOC, SKENC => GONC ); # Translators for UP UPC UPNC (only the C NC part) my %jumpcond = ( => GOTO, C => GOC, NC => GONC ); while (defined $i) { if ($i =~ /CODE/) { print STDERR Warning: RPL mode not supported (yet?)n; } elsif ($i =~ /*(.*)/) { print $1n; } elsif (exists $abbrev{$i}) { print $abbrev{$i}; } elsif (exists $passthru{$i}) { print t$in; } elsif (exists $skips{$i}) { my ($b, $e) = openblock; print t, $skips{$i}, t$en$bn; } elsif ($i eq }) { my $e1 = pop @end; pop @begin; print $e1n; if (@instr and exists $skelse{$instr[0]}) { my $i = shift @instr; my ($b2, $e2) = openblock; print t, $skelse{$i}, t$e2n$b2n; } } elsif ($i eq {) { my ($b, $e) = openblock; print $bn; } elsif ($i =~ /^P=(d+)?$/) { if ($i =~ /^P=(d+)$/) { print tP=t$1n; } else { $i .= shift @instr; next; } } elsif ($i =~ /^UP(NC|C|)(d*)/) { my $n = $2; $n = 1 unless $n; print t, $jumpcond{$1}, t, $begin[@begin - $n], n; } elsif ($i =~ /^EXIT(N?C)?(d*)/) { my $n = $2; $n = 1 unless $n; print t, $jumpcond{$1}, t, $end[@end - $n], n; } elsif ($i =~ /^?/) { if ($i !~ /./ and $i ne ?SB=0 and $i ne ?MP=0 and $i ne ?XM=0 and $i ne ?SR=0) { $i .= . . shift @instr; } my $t = shift @instr; if ($t eq { or $t eq SKIPYES) { my ($b, $e) = openblock; print t$intGOYESt$en$bn; } elsif ($t eq -> or $t eq ->) { $t = shift @instr; if ($t eq {) { my ($b, $e) = openblock; for (keys %testinv) { if ($i =~ /$_/) { $i = eval $testinv{$_}; last; } } $i =~ s/./t/; print t$intGOYESt$en$bn; } else { $i =~ s/./t/; print t$intGOYESt$tn; } } elsif ($t =~ /UP(d*)/) { $i =~ s/./t/; my $n = $1; $n = 1 unless $n; print t$intGOYESt, $begin[@begin - $n], n; } elsif ($t =~ /EXIT(d*)/) { $i =~ s/./t/; my $n = $1; $n = 1 unless $n; print t$intGOYESt, $end[@end - $n], n; } elsif ($t =~ /RTY/) { $i =~ s/./t/; print t$intRTNYESn; } } elsif ($i =~ /D[01][+-]/) { $i .= shift @instr unless $i =~ /D[01][+-].+/; $i =~ /(D[01])([+-])(.*)/; print t$1=$1$2t$3n; } elsif ($i !~ /./) { $i .= . . shift @instr; next; } elsif ($i =~ /([^.]+).(.*)/ and exists $onearg{$1}) { print t$1t$2n; } elsif ($i =~ / $r ([+-]) (d+) . $f /ox) { if ($3 == 1) { print t$1=$1$2$3t$4n; } else { print t$1=$1$2CONt$4,$3n; } } elsif ($i =~ / $r = $r - $r . $f /ox) { print t$1=$2-$3t$4n; } elsif ($i =~ / $r ([+&!-]) $r . $f /ox) { print t$1=$1$2$3t$4n; } elsif ($i =~ / $r = ( (?:-1)? -) $r . $f /ox) { print t$1=$2$3t$4n; } elsif ($i =~ / ( L[AC] (d+) ) . (.*) /ox) { print t$1t$2n; } elsif ($i =~ / ( L[AC] ) . (.*) /ox) { print t$1HEXt$2n; } elsif ($i =~ / ( D[01]= ) . ([0-9A-F]+) /ox) { print t$1( . length ($2) . )t#$2n; } elsif ($i =~ / ( R[0-4] ) = ( A | C ) . $f /ox) { if ($3 eq W) { print t$1=$2n; } else { print t$1=$2.Ft$3n; } } elsif ($i =~ / ( A | C ) = ( R[0-4] ) . $f /ox) { if ($3 eq W) { print t$1=$2n; } else { print t$1=$2.Ft$3n; } } elsif ($i =~ / (.*) . $f /ox) { print t$1t$2n; } elsif ($i =~ / G (OIN)? ([245]) . (.*) /ox) { print tREL($2)t$3n; } $i = shift @instr; } -=- 8< -=- CUT HERE -=- 8< -=- CUT HERE -=- 8< -=- -- Thomas Rast There is no way to peace. Peace is the way! -- Gandhi ==== > > I'm sure that other languages must have their good points, but I'm for > the most part blissfully ignorant of them. I'm sure they do, but that's as off-topic as the Irak discussion. Nothing to do with HP calculators. This newsgroup becomes more and more like a personal board with a few people case with Veli-Pekka posting mostly off-topic (and that I personally find uninteresting) stuff but more and more people are joining. This has to stop! This newsgroup is about HP calculators, and HP calculators only. ==== > > > > > I'm sure that other languages must have their good points, but I'm for > > the most part blissfully ignorant of them. > > I'm sure they do, but that's as off-topic as the Irak discussion. > Nothing to do with HP calculators. Yes, I was well aware of that, but at least this branch is a lot more fun than that discussion. I would've thought it much less likely to provoke further flaming than that topic. Excuse me for being human. > This newsgroup becomes more and more like a personal board with a few people > case with Veli-Pekka posting mostly off-topic (and that I personally find > uninteresting) stuff but more and more people are joining. It looks to me as if most (all?) of the persons posting off-topic also contribute to on-topic discussions, and vice versa. We have a saying: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. > This has to stop! This newsgroup is about HP calculators, and HP calculators > only. HP calculators (especially the RPL models) are the greatest things since hot and cold running water, and I hope that HP markets an even better model soon. Did someone pee in your Wheaties? Lighten up; get some sleep, or if you've just woken up, have a coffee. not about HP calculators. I'm sure that that will still leave you with something to read. -- James ==== This is a response to the guy posting a question about all the indicators being lit up upon boot on this 48GX. I am sorry for the new thread, but I I hope the guy still has a 48GX -- the non-fried edition. When all the indicators lit up on the calculator it means that the electrical current flowing through its circuits is too strong; unfortunately I don't remember the limit itself, which is in the class of mA, but you should definately do something about the batteries you are using, like change them. Are they rechargable? Then use normal (or alkaline, I never had problems with them). Anyway, good luck and post the results. -- Alexandros Andreou, Operator. | Reached at: ee4299 at ee.teiath.gr. America loves its anarchists when they are safely ensconced in the grave. ==== So what do ya think is it? ==== No way. Its too much like a PDA. If it were a PDA it wouldnt even be that good. I hate to see PDAs and calcs mix. If I wanted something like this I would get a Palm with Matlab or Mathematica. I would never pay more than $50 for it. ==== > > How can I complete the square on my hp49g? How much detail are you looking for concerning how it got its answer? [Factor] and [solve] will complete the square, but it won't tell you how. You might be able to do it on the in equation writer using basic algebra (+ - * / [FACTOR]), but it's almost easier to do on paper. --CS ==== > [Factor] and [solve] will complete the square, but it won't tell you how. > > You might be able to do it on the in equation writer using basic algebra > (+ - * / [FACTOR]), but it's almost easier to do on paper. For example, I want: x^2 + 2*x + 2 = (x + 1)^2 + 1 [Factor] doesn't seem to let me get it into that form. [Solve] seems to give me the integral roots. The reason I want it in this form is that the laplace transform of a sine or cosine is easy to see in this form. Of course, I guess I could just go ILAP. -- Titus Barik (barik@ieee.org) ==== int.gatech.edu: > > How can I complete the square on my hp49g? http://www.hpcalc.org/search.php?query=complete+and+the+and+square Take a look into Quadro and SqrComp. ==== > Next Sunday we will switch to daylight saving time in Europe. > In the US the switch will be done one week later. A week passed... I think we switch to Summer time in Europe this night. The small revised AdjustCK on my site below does not only DST switching but highly precise clock adjustment and calibration very easily in a graphic environement on a running analog clock. In this environment you see jumping the hour-, minute- and sec-fingers on the clock's face when adjusting the time or switching DST or the time zone. The main concern of this post is to thank Heiko Arnemann who created the first drafts of html-docus for many of my tools, Keyman, Unitman, Libman etc. He also created most of the integrated pictures. I hope that the new documents are more easily readable by newbees than the older ASCII text files. I also reorganized my HP49 site. For the HP48 I had no time. Much of it could and should be re-ported from the 49. If somebody has - Wolfgang ftp://ftp.math.fu-berlin.de/pub/usr/raut/HP49/time/AdjustCk/ ==== Daylight savings time is the dumbest concept EVER!!! And I am lucky enough to live in Indiana were it is not used. <89d0a867.0303291953.3ff3b5cf@posting.google.com> ==== > Daylight savings time is the dumbest concept EVER!!! And I am lucky > enough to live in Indiana were it is not used. Maybe you're too young to understand why daylight savings time was 'created'... -- ----- YC> Bonjour amis de la cuisine.. YC> Je recherche la recette du coq au vin, pour un amis. Amiti.8es -+- IH in : Neuneu poste en vin. ==== 89d0a867.0303291953.3ff3b5cf@posting.google.com, chris heaton > Daylight savings time is the dumbest concept EVER!!! And I am lucky > enough to live in Indiana were it is not used. It is great one day of the year when you have to wake up very early on a Sunday morning to do a triathlon. You then discover that you can sleep one hour more due to daylight saving. The feeling of discovering that you can sleep one more hour: Priceless ==== Can you type letters with the keyboard or only with the on-screen keyboard and stylus? Is programming TI-68k and HP style where you type in the commands letter by letter or TI-Z80 and Casio style where everything is only accessed through menus? After using the Casio AFX 2.0 for some time Im glad to see them add strings to Basic. ==== > Emulator for PC of the new CASIO ClassPad300 > > Casio ha sacado el emulador para MSWindows de la nueva CASIO > ClassPad300. > Hoy 26 de marzo lo descargu.8e y aun no he probado el (Sistema de > .8dlgebra Computacional C.A.S.) que es para mi, lo que mas valor tiene > en una calculadora de ultima generaci.97n > Desafortunadamente este emulador esta protegido y se puede evaluar > solo en 90dias o 999 ejecuciones (Lo primero que se cumpla) > > I Caracter.92sticas del VirtualCASIOClassPad300 Yes, but do you have a direct link to that emulator? I was unfortunately unable to locate it. (I searched for 2 hours) ==== > Yes, but do you have a direct link to that emulator? > I was unfortunately unable to locate it. (I searched for 2 hours) It was available at www.classpad.de but it seems impossible to connect correctly... ==== > Yes, but do you have a direct link to that emulator? > I was unfortunately unable to locate it. (I searched for 2 hours) Here it is (it was buried deep in the original post). It's in German, though: http://www.classpad.de/manager/ -- Bhuvanesh ==== Insert rant about signal to noise. Here you go: www.classpad.de/manager You will have to fill out a form. -Samuel ==== > Insert rant about signal to noise. > > Here you go: > > www.classpad.de/manager > > You will have to fill out a form. > > -Samuel ==== >and they don't have TOC or index links in the document, I noticed the same thing. Even HP's 49 docs have some kind of indexing. I ordered and recieved the paper copies. It took about two weeks. They are VERY informative books, but don't expect them to be well made or well edited. One of my pages fell out and I'm finding spelling errors. There's a few mistakes, but they're fairly easy to sort out. I thought it was cool that they gave me the electronic version to tide me over until I got the hard-copy. Very good books. I hope Gilbert Urroz revises them someday. --CS ==== > In a previous post (I can't recall exactly which one), it was > mentioned that Urroz's books were available on greatunpublished.com. I > would like to get myself a copy, but since I don't know the web that > well, I just wanted to know if anyone here had ever had any trouble in > dealing with greatunpublished.com or should they be considered a > reliable company? It seems that I had better luck than some. I ordered both books and was able to download the PDF versions as soon as I paid, and the hard-copies arrived in a reasonable time. But the books had pagination errors; trivial in Volume 2, but bad enough to make much of the index pretty much unusable in Volume 1. They refused to take any responsibility for the pagination errors, (perhaps rightly) putting all of the blame on the author. Eventually the pagination errors in Volume 1 were fixed, and I was allowed a free download of the PDF copy. But I'm stuck with the hard-copy with the errors; it seems that the only way to get a replacement is to buy a new one (or print it myself from the PDF file). Later, I found out that my PDF copies could no longer be opened; seems that they were past the expiration date. I got to download new ones to replace them, so they did make good on it, but it was an extra hassle. Note that they don't necessarily do the proofreading and editing and so on that you'd ordinarily expect of a publisher. They obviously didn't for these books. By the way, be sure to keep a copy of the .exe files, not just the PDF files. The .exe files install a plug-in needed to open the file. Once, after upgrading Acrobat Reader, I had to run an .exe file again to re-install the plug-in. -- James ==== > I just ordered the electronic version of Book 1 as I'm in Europe. They took > my money fine, and the download worked... The book is a special EXE that > runs a PDF file.. not the absolutely greatest font for reading or printing You mean the version you received can be printed? My version is locked so that I can only look at it. I cannot bookmark it nor can I print it. I'm not certain what is what at this point in time. > easily, and they don't have TOC or index links in the document, but it's > readable on all my computers here. > > I'll probably order Book II when I get that far up the math food chain... > but I wish he'd go back and re-format the electronic version to be a tad > more electronic... > > Al... > > >>In a previous post (I can't recall exactly which one), it was >>mentioned that Urroz's books were available on greatunpublished.com. I >>would like to get myself a copy, but since I don't know the web that >>well, I just wanted to know if anyone here had ever had any trouble in >>dealing with greatunpublished.com or should they be considered a >>reliable company? >> > > > ==== > > I just ordered the electronic version of Book 1 as I'm in Europe. They took > > my money fine, and the download worked... The book is a special EXE that > > runs a PDF file.. not the absolutely greatest font for reading or printing > You mean the version you received can be printed? My version is locked > so that I can only look at it. I cannot bookmark it nor can I print it. > I'm not certain what is what at this point in time. There are no bookmarks in my PDF file and I can't add anything like notes or comments, but it prints out with no problem. As long as I can open the file that is; don't lose track of the original .exe file that installs the FileOpen plug-in. If I were you, I'd have a few words with GreatUnpublished. -- James ==== I can print it.. but can't change it or select anything in it. As I said, the font is kind of dithered so isn't the best for reading on the screen... My acrobat reader is version 4. Al... > > I just ordered the electronic version of Book 1 as I'm in Europe. They took > > my money fine, and the download worked... The book is a special EXE that > > runs a PDF file.. not the absolutely greatest font for reading or printing > You mean the version you received can be printed? My version is locked > so that I can only look at it. I cannot bookmark it nor can I print it. > I'm not certain what is what at this point in time. > > > > easily, and they don't have TOC or index links in the document, but it's > > readable on all my computers here. > > > > I'll probably order Book II when I get that far up the math food chain... > > but I wish he'd go back and re-format the electronic version to be a tad > > more electronic... > > > > Al... > > > > > >>In a previous post (I can't recall exactly which one), it was > >>mentioned that Urroz's books were available on greatunpublished.com. I > >>would like to get myself a copy, but since I don't know the web that > >>well, I just wanted to know if anyone here had ever had any trouble in > >>dealing with greatunpublished.com or should they be considered a > >>reliable company? > >> > > > > > > > ==== > >>In a previous post (I can't recall exactly which one), it was >>mentioned that Urroz's books were available on greatunpublished.com. I >>would like to get myself a copy, but since I don't know the web that >>well, I just wanted to know if anyone here had ever had any trouble in >>dealing with greatunpublished.com or should they be considered a >>reliable company? > > > It seems that I had better luck than some. I ordered both books and was > able to download the PDF versions as soon as I paid, and the hard-copies > arrived in a reasonable time. > > But the books had pagination errors; trivial in Volume 2, but bad enough > to make much of the index pretty much unusable in Volume 1. They refused > to take any responsibility for the pagination errors, (perhaps rightly) > putting all of the blame on the author. Eventually the pagination errors > in Volume 1 were fixed, and I was allowed a free download of the PDF > copy. But I'm stuck with the hard-copy with the errors; it seems that > the only way to get a replacement is to buy a new one (or print it > myself from the PDF file). > > Later, I found out that my PDF copies could no longer be opened; seems > that they were past the expiration date. I got to download new ones to > replace them, so they did make good on it, but it was an extra hassle. > > Note that they don't necessarily do the proofreading and editing and so > on that you'd ordinarily expect of a publisher. They obviously didn't > for these books. > > By the way, be sure to keep a copy of the .exe files, not just the PDF > files. The .exe files install a plug-in needed to open the file. Once, > after upgrading Acrobat Reader, I had to run an .exe file again to > re-install the plug-in. > > -- > James > > > I contacted GreatUnpublished and cc'd Urroz at gurro@cc.usu.edu maybe this will help ==== The alpha, alarm, busy and transmit symbol is on when my HP48SX is switched on. Do anyone know how to clear them ? What is wrong ? -- Torgeir Jakobsen torgeirj@start.no ==== Is there an electronic version of the hp48 manuals are available ? (s ou g versions) ==== www.hpcalc.org Cardon Matthieu schrieb im Newsbeitrag > > Is there an electronic version of the hp48 manuals are available ? (s ou g > versions) ==== > www.hpcalc.org Found the link to http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~rechlin/hpcalc/hp48gug.zip ==== > Found the link to http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~rechlin/hpcalc/hp48gug.zip There's an interesting story behind that file ... in the next Datafile. HPCC #1046 ==== I've been making successful directory backups with the HP Connectivity Kit for a long time. Now, all of a sudden, the files will not transfer to my computer in full. They become truncated in size, and errors are generated when I try to send them from the PC back to the 49G. Any suggestions? ==== Please, check the configuration in your HP-49G. APPS (G Key). 2.I/O functions.. 5.Transfer.. Port: Wire Type: Kermit Name : Fmt : ASCII or Binary (for Libraries ... put Binary) Xlat : Newline Ckh : 3 (desactive if have a decimal comma) Baud : 9600 Parity: None _OvrW : Non active Press the ENTER key. Note: You can see now the IOPAR (Input Output Parameters) in the stack : {9600. 0. 0. 0. 3. 1.} Now, transfer from PC to HP-49G the directories or Library or any file each by each (not both). You can drag and drop with mouse cursor Miguel Angel CAPORALINI HERK **************************************************************************** *** > I've been making successful directory backups with the HP Connectivity Kit > for a long time. Now, all of a sudden, the files will not transfer to my > computer in full. They become truncated in size, and errors are generated > when I try to send them from the PC back to the 49G. > > Any suggestions? > ==== Roman >You have to press [L-SHIFT]&[F1-F6] (means press them both together when in >RPN mode) YES.... I see now... HOLD DOWN [L-shift] it actually was in the book, on the page describing the operation of the [L-shift] key... how silly of me >How about [L-SHIFT]-[ON] (this will halt the calc and you can copy whatever >you want) >[L-SHIFT]-[ON] (the calc continues and you can paste your expresson into the >equation writer Y=' ') want then press enter.... if it's a variable, just make sure its in history. >I used an HP48G for some time before I got the 49 but hardly use the 48 >anymore. The 49 is realy an improved HP48 IMO. Well I may get to appreciate it as much as you guys eventually... just a slow learner, I guess. ==== > I am using a HP49G calculator to calculate the following integral: > > S(0, infinity, X^2*L*EXP(-L*X ), X) with the constraint: L>=0 > > It is the constraint that's giving me a headache. I can't figure out how to > add it. > Looks like ASSUME is what you want. I entered (in RPN) (L>=0)' ASSUME and the integration answer was 2/L^2. For the algebraic syntax, use CAT to find ASSUME, then press HELP. Bill Toronto, Canada ==== Indeed, assume is what I was looking for. I had to flash my ROM in order to get it. Now I'm finally running the 19-6 version. The integration answer you have calculated is the correct one. I'm very glad you helped, me, but I have one more question: how to enter this in algebraic mode? I guess I have to put the line Assume(L>=0) somewhere in S(0, infinity, X^2*L*EXP(-L*X ), X)? Can anyone tell me how? Karel Maurissen Leuven, Belgium TODO: learn RPN :-) Bill Markwick schreef in bericht > > I am using a HP49G calculator to calculate the following integral: > > > > S(0, infinity, X^2*L*EXP(-L*X ), X) with the constraint: L>=0 > > > > It is the constraint that's giving me a headache. I can't figure out how to > > add it. > > > > Looks like ASSUME is what you want. I entered (in RPN) (L>=0)' > ASSUME and the integration answer was 2/L^2. > > For the algebraic syntax, use CAT to find ASSUME, then press HELP. > > Bill > Toronto, Canada ==== X > how to enter this in algebraic mode? > I guess I have to put the line Assume(L>=0) somewhere in S(0, infinity, > X^2*L*EXP(-L*X ), X)? Can anyone tell me how? X No! 1) ASSUME(L>=0) 2) The Integral Veli-Pekka ==== I finally managed to get to the correct solution :-) Veli-Pekka Nousiainen schreef in bericht > X > > how to enter this in algebraic mode? > > I guess I have to put the line Assume(L>=0) somewhere in S(0, infinity, > > X^2*L*EXP(-L*X ), X)? Can anyone tell me how? > X > No! > 1) ASSUME(L>=0) > 2) The Integral > Veli-Pekka > > ==== I never read the FAQ or saw the pictures on Klotz's site prior to purchase.... I simply went to the site and ordered directly, based on a recommendation I read in here. But I have installed the cards and tested them and MINE ARE WORKING GREAT AS WELL. My initial concerns were that ONE - the solder blobs might be able to touch the metal plane of my other Pocket Professional cards and possibly short something and TWO - that I would not be able to get the Klotz's out of the calculator easily once they had been inserted.. BOTH these concerns proved to be false. there is sufficient clearance for the cards in either slot 1 or 2 AND I found a way to extract them from both slot 1 and 2 easily. So all thats left is for me to say THANKS first to Mr. Klotz for producing such a fine product and then to the rest of you in here for responding to evryone's post.... even when it seems a bit silly :) ==== Uh...ooooh... NO it says version #1.18, HP 2000 when I execute the version command. ...... and I don't have a flag -123.... highest flag is -120 approx mode because the expression contained a constant with a decimal part.... and I kept defying it by refusing to allow it to switch.... therefore I was the person cancelling the mode switch... and the calculator was telling me so.... kinda neat huh.... but I found it agravating until I realised what was happening. ==== Alex Did your calc come with ROM ver 1.19-6 ? If not can you explain exactly what to do to get it there ? Stephen ==== MendesS schrieb > Did your calc come with ROM ver 1.19-6 ? > > If not can you explain exactly what to do to get it there ? Have a look here: http://etud.epita.fr:8000/~avenar_j/hp/49.html ..Heiko ==== > Alex > > Did your calc come with ROM ver 1.19-6 ? > > If not can you explain exactly what to do to get it there ? > > Stephen No, it didn t, it came with version 1.18, too. But I would definately recommend you to upgrade, because 1.19-6 is much better! Check this site! http://etud.epita.fr:8000/~avenar_j/hp/49.html All you need is the cable that connects your 49G with the PC. And be sure to follow the instructions exactly! Good luck with your upgrade :-) Alex Markatis GREECE-HELLAS ==== Jean-Dennis, Sorry... maybe I missed something... WHICH model TI calculator do your carry as your second machine ??? I have hp48 and hp49 and I am looking into getting TI also, hence my curiosity What is it that goes beond TI's abilities ? >Out of pure nostalgia, I guess... I also find the HP more fun to use than the > >TI, but I guess this is because I am more or less a techie. > >A more objective reason is that I feel that I need to carry *two* calculators > >with me, even for the 5% cases I need to go beyond the TI abilities. > >Jean-Denis ==== > Will you all then apology (HP, the NG, not ME) in this newsgroup > when HP officially releases it's new line of Saturn based > calculators, which will replace the current ones > ??? I'm not sure I would be ready to apologize to HP, but an apology to HP to continue with the Saturn series. One of the main problems with the HP49G was its ancient hardware. BTW, for whoever's interested, my site was completely restored about a week back (so please let me know if you run into any problems). -- Bhuvanesh ==== I have used a TI-89 for 2 and a half years and I would highly recommend it. You can get more archive space with a TI-92 or the V200 but they do not retain the classic calculator body style. ==== > Mass debating? Joe Horn's a good guy for either of those. -- James ==== > > > Is there any way to intentionally cause the NO SYSTEM error?? > Whats that about erasing a bank? Couldnt do that. Maybe it's rude of me to say so, but I'm glad to read that. > > Or you could execute something like: NO SYSTEM DOERR > > > > Why would you want to do this anyway? Trying to give someone a heart > > attack? > > > lol. i wanna show a friend the error, and most importantly how to fix > it. On your own 49G or your friend's? I think that fixing it would be a matter either of pressing the Q key or downloading the flash ROM to the calculator, but I must admit that I don't have all that much experience with the No System condition. > the NO SYSTEM DOERR would do good for the heart attack. erasing a > bank seems interesting, please help me o n that one. This is another thing that I have very little experience with. Seems to me that if you erased a bank used for the operating system flash ROM, then the 49G wouldn't be much good for anything other than a paperweight until you re-flashed it. If you erased a bank used for port 2, then there's a reasonably good chance that you'd lose something that was stored there. If you're up to a practical joke, remember that paybacks are hell; best not to cause a real No System condition. But if you really want to pursue this matter, then I suggest that you start by getting a bit of practice downloading the flash ROM. -- James ==== > > Maybe it's rude of me to say so, but I'm glad to read that. > > On your own 49G or your friend's? I think that fixing it would be a > matter either of pressing the Q key or downloading the flash ROM to the > calculator, but I must admit that I don't have all that much experience > with the No System condition. > On my own (or even better an emulator) > > the NO SYSTEM DOERR would do good for the heart attack. erasing a > > bank seems interesting, please help me o n that one. > > This is another thing that I have very little experience with. Seems to > me that if you erased a bank used for the operating system flash ROM, > then the 49G wouldn't be much good for anything other than a paperweight > until you re-flashed it. If you erased a bank used for port 2, then > there's a reasonably good chance that you'd lose something that was > stored there. > > If you're up to a practical joke, remember that paybacks are hell; > best not to cause a real No System condition. > agreed. For practical jokes its besto to go ON+D and then + enter on, which can be fixed (at least for me) > But if you really want to pursue this matter, then I suggest that you > start by getting a bit of practice downloading the flash ROM. I have... i have... One last thing- what are the easiest ways to erase a bank? [AC] ==== I have an HP49G. Current ROM is 1.19-6. I would like to zap everything and reset the whole bloody calculator to the state it was in when received from the factory. BTW it had ROM 1.18. Can anyone advise. I am getting extremely strange results and cannot seem to correct. Any advice would be appreciated. Barry ==== You would have to re-flash the ROM to 1-18 to restore the ROM. But you can be sure that 19-6 is not causing any extremely strange problems, other than previously reported bugs, so why bother? ==== r9rha.1886$lZ2.184179@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net, BMG > I have an HP49G. Current ROM is 1.19-6. I would like to zap everything > and reset the whole bloody calculator to the state it was in when > received from the factory. BTW it had ROM 1.18. Can anyone advise. I > am getting extremely strange results and cannot seem to correct. > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > Barry > To reset the memory press at the same time: ON-A-F. When asked if you want to recover the memory: press no. This will not put your calculator back to ROM 1.18. If you could explain what your problems are in a more specific manner, I'm sure you will get an answer. You can always flash your calculator back to ROM 1.18 but this will be a mistake. Feature-wise and bug-wise, 1.19-6 is far better ==== > r9rha.1886$lZ2.184179@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net, BMG > > >>I have an HP49G. Current ROM is 1.19-6. I would like to zap everything >>and reset the whole bloody calculator to the state it was in when >>received from the factory. BTW it had ROM 1.18. Can anyone advise. I >>am getting extremely strange results and cannot seem to correct. >> >>Any advice would be appreciated. >> >>Barry >> > > > To reset the memory press at the same time: ON-A-F. When asked if you want > to recover the memory: press no. > > This will not put your calculator back to ROM 1.18. > If you could explain what your problems are in a more specific manner, I'm > sure you will get an answer. I have tried to enter the following problem from the Urroz book: Mode is RPN, with Flag 117 set: Entering Quadratic Equasion using Equasion Writer: t^2-3t+5=0 Solve for 't' QUAD I get the following error: QUAD Error: No solution found The answer should be: {t-(1.5,1.65831239 > {'t=1.5,-1.65831239519)' 't=1.5,1.658312395180'} I find this behavior most confusing. BTW where do I find out reported bugs in 1.19.6? to reply directly to me delete the no spam. > > You can always flash your calculator back to ROM 1.18 but this will be a > mistake. Feature-wise and bug-wise, 1.19-6 is far better > > ==== > r9rha.1886$lZ2.184179@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net, BMG > > >>I have an HP49G. Current ROM is 1.19-6. I would like to zap everything >>and reset the whole bloody calculator to the state it was in when >>received from the factory. BTW it had ROM 1.18. Can anyone advise. I >>am getting extremely strange results and cannot seem to correct. >> >>Any advice would be appreciated. >> >>Barry >> > > > To reset the memory press at the same time: ON-A-F. When asked if you want > to recover the memory: press no. > > This will not put your calculator back to ROM 1.18. > If you could explain what your problems are in a more specific manner, I'm > sure you will get an answer. I have tried to enter the following problem from the Urroz book pp. 13-14: Mode is RPN, with Flag 117 set: Entering Quadratic Equasion using Equasion Writer: t^2-3t+5=0 Solve for 't' QUAD I get the following error: QUAD Error: No solution found The answer should be: {t-(1.5,1.65831239 > {'t=1.5,-1.65831239519)' 't=1.5,1.658312395180'} I find this behavior most confusing. BTW where do I find out reported bugs in 1.19.6? to reply directly to me delete the no spam. > > You can always flash your calculator back to ROM 1.18 but this will be a > mistake. Feature-wise and bug-wise, 1.19-6 is far better > > ==== rpMha.515$4P1.40743@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net, BMG >> r9rha.1886$lZ2.184179@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net, BMG >> >> >>> I have an HP49G. Current ROM is 1.19-6. I would like to zap everything >>> and reset the whole bloody calculator to the state it was in when >>> received from the factory. BTW it had ROM 1.18. Can anyone advise. I >>> am getting extremely strange results and cannot seem to correct. >>> >>> Any advice would be appreciated. >>> >>> Barry >>> >> >> >> To reset the memory press at the same time: ON-A-F. When asked if you want >> to recover the memory: press no. >> >> This will not put your calculator back to ROM 1.18. >> If you could explain what your problems are in a more specific manner, I'm >> sure you will get an answer. > > I have tried to enter the following problem from the Urroz book: > > Mode is RPN, with Flag 117 set: > > Entering Quadratic Equasion using Equasion Writer: t^2-3t+5=0 > Solve for 't' > QUAD > > I get the following error: QUAD Error: No solution found The answer > should be: > > {t-(1.5,1.65831239 > {'t=1.5,-1.65831239519)' 't=1.5,1.658312395180'} > > I find this behavior most confusing. This system doesn't have any real solutions: so in real mode the calculator returns No solution found, put your calculator in complex mode before you run the command QUAD and it will return complex solutions > > BTW where do I find out reported bugs in 1.19.6? No bug here ==== > rpMha.515$4P1.40743@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net, BMG > > >> >>>r9rha.1886$lZ2.184179@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net, BMG >>> >>> >>> >>>>I have an HP49G. Current ROM is 1.19-6. I would like to zap everything >>>>and reset the whole bloody calculator to the state it was in when >>>>received from the factory. BTW it had ROM 1.18. Can anyone advise. I >>>>am getting extremely strange results and cannot seem to correct. >>>> >>>>Any advice would be appreciated. >>>> >>>>Barry >>>> >>> >>> >>>To reset the memory press at the same time: ON-A-F. When asked if you want >>>to recover the memory: press no. >>> >>>This will not put your calculator back to ROM 1.18. >>>If you could explain what your problems are in a more specific manner, I'm >>>sure you will get an answer. >> >>I have tried to enter the following problem from the Urroz book: >> >>Mode is RPN, with Flag 117 set: >> >>Entering Quadratic Equasion using Equasion Writer: t^2-3t+5=0 >>Solve for 't' >>QUAD >> >>I get the following error: QUAD Error: No solution found The answer >>should be: >> >>{t-(1.5,1.65831239 > {'t=1.5,-1.65831239519)' 't=1.5,1.658312395180'} >> >>I find this behavior most confusing. > > > This system doesn't have any real solutions: so in real mode the calculator > returns No solution found, put your calculator in complex mode before you > run the command QUAD and it will return complex solutions > > >>BTW where do I find out reported bugs in 1.19.6? > > > No bug here > pc were able to be used on an exam I am preparing for... but alas my choices were the 48, 49 or TI series... Barry ==== > > r9rha.1886$lZ2.184179@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net, BMG > > > > > >>I have an HP49G. Current ROM is 1.19-6. I would like to zap everything > >>and reset the whole bloody calculator to the state it was in when > >>received from the factory. BTW it had ROM 1.18. Can anyone advise. I > >>am getting extremely strange results and cannot seem to correct. > >> > >>Any advice would be appreciated. > >> > >>Barry > >> > > > > > > To reset the memory press at the same time: ON-A-F. When asked if you want > > to recover the memory: press no. > > > > This will not put your calculator back to ROM 1.18. > > If you could explain what your problems are in a more specific manner, I'm > > sure you will get an answer. > > I have tried to enter the following problem from the Urroz book pp. 13-14: > > Mode is RPN, with Flag 117 set: > > Entering Quadratic Equasion using Equasion Writer: t^2-3t+5=0 > Solve for 't' > QUAD > > I get the following error: QUAD Error: No solution found The answer > should be: > > {t-(1.5,1.65831239 > {'t=1.5,-1.65831239519)' 't=1.5,1.658312395180'} > > I find this behavior most confusing. > > BTW where do I find out reported bugs in 1.19.6? > > to reply directly to me delete the no spam. > > > > > You can always flash your calculator back to ROM 1.18 but this will be a > > mistake. Feature-wise and bug-wise, 1.19-6 is far better > > > > I changed the independent variable to 't' (MODE|CAS to get there) Then I put in the equation using eqution writer then SOLVEX (Left Shift 7, (S.SLV) F5) I then got the 2 complex solutions. I don't know if it is really necessary to change the independent variable. Good luck. Aubrey. ==== > Mode is RPN, with Flag 117 set: > > Entering Quadratic Equasion using Equasion Writer: t^2-3t+5=0 > Solve for 't' > QUAD > > I get the following error: QUAD Error: No solution found The answer > should be: I got the same error. It should really be asking to switch to complex mode or saying Error: non-real solution. If you set flag -103 (complex numbers on) then you should get an answer. I got {t=(3-i*sqrt(11))/2) t=(3+i*sqrt(11))/2)} This is the exact version of {'t=1.5,-1.65831239519)' 't=1.5,1.658312395180'}. You can set this flag either in the [MODE] [CAS] menu (check _Complex), in the [MODE] [FLAGS] menu (scroll down to -103 and check it) or by holding down [<-] and pressing [TOOL]. The third method is probably the easiest. You can also type -103 FS. A million ways to skin a cat. --CS ==== 9LNha.657$4P1.50399@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net, BMG > pc were able to be used on an exam I am preparing for... but alas my > choices were the 48, 49 or TI series... > The 49 is a complicated calculator, I agree. But not in this specific case. Solving an equation in complex or real mode is something common to many CAS. I can't find my TI89 to check this, but I believe that on the T89 to solve your equation you would have had to use the command cSolve to solve it. The 49 gave a perfectly correct solution for your equation: There are no solutions if you're solving your problem in the real space ==== > > > > I would either use the MIPS... > A MIPS or ARM seems to be nice, but they are more power hungry than a HP > calculator. Exactly! Exactly! This is the point! > Any palm with a real processor consumes much more batteries than a HP > calc. Think about the main differences: * most palms use SDRAM or another form of dynamic memory, which tends to consume more power AND require a special controller, which means, more chip space and more power, again, * do you really need a MMU? most MIPS and ARM machinesdo have these so you can run a true multitasking system with paging; I don't see a need for this - what would you page to? ;) * you don't really need that kind of speed if you don't want to run some fool-oriented OS like Windows CE However, a small 16-bit DSP might do, when clocked very low (also good for maths). I think the power consumption could be greatly reduced. Or variable clocking - speed-on-demand, this could also be very good. > Parallel logic is fast but not in a FPGA ! I think the original serial > design isn't such a bad idea for the logic can be much simpler. Why not > boost the clock frequency but remain serial?? Because boosting clock means higher current; it's easier to use the slow clock. You can use low power slow memories then. > If anybody wants to be realy advanced - why not asynchronous ?? It can > be very fast and very power saving. Only the toggling parts of the logic > are consuming power, the rest remains static and drews a very litle > current. It was alredy done with an 8051 microcontroller at Philips. Eeek. Asynchronous. Go debug that design. ;-) And testing is a real bitch, also. You know, you've got to test the chip. And FPGA will _never_ be as power-efficient as a real silicon so I'd recommend a very low clocked CMOS off-the-shelf. > greetings, Christian Daniel Have fun, Stanislaw Skowronek ==== > > > > > > I would either use the MIPS... > The snipped text was not mine, but Christian Daniel's (as seen at the end) X > Because boosting clock means higher current; it's easier to use the slow > clock. You can use low power slow memories then. X Right! I would scale down the process from 2000nm to 250nm AND then the Voltage may be lowered down to 1.8V...1.1V Now you can get the frequency up to 33.3MHz X > And FPGA will _never_ be as power-efficient as a real silicon so I'd > recommend a very low clocked CMOS off-the-shelf. > > > greetings, Christian Daniel > > Have fun, > Stanislaw Skowronek I would also like to point out (again) that it may be feasible to change (this is much more work) the serial operations requiring 16*more clocks into one parallel operation (example: add operation) in the Saturn CPU's 64-bit (16*4-bit) nibble-serial registers/ALU's. NOTE: When Pentium 4 was introduced, it was considered very slow CPU. You really have to boost the frequences to get the most out of a design. This is possible with the Saturn, too. It was and still is the best CPU for a *calculator* - operating months in one set of batteries instead of a mere day like the current PDA's Veli-Pekka ==== Jetzt auch mit HTML-Doku in Deutsch http://users.belgacom.net/EAA/Heiko/HP49/index.htm ..Heiko ==== > > Jetzt auch mit HTML-Doku in Deutsch > Isn't it ``auf Deutsch''? there are a lot of possible writings: mit HTML-Doku in der Sprache Deutsch or abreviated in Deutsch or in deutsch for in deutscher Sprache or auf deutsch geschrieben is may be possible, too. I think not auf Deutsch (s. Duden, two columns). German is my mother tongue, but not my favorite subject ;-) I have updated both, englisch and deutsche http://users.belgacom.net/EAA/Heiko/HP49/index.htm Best wishes Heiko ==== > Jetzt auch mit HTML-Doku in Deutsch I'm not being pedantic here, I'm just curious about the ammount of German I've forgotten over the past six-ish years. Isn't it ``auf Deutsch''? -- Alexandros Andreou, Operator. | Reached at: ee4299 at ee.teiath.gr. America loves its anarchists when they are safely ensconced in the grave. ==== How do you find the variance and standard deviation of a probability sample on a 49G? For example, I have the following: x 1 2 3 p 0.5 0.2 0.3 How do I find the variance and standard deviation? ==== > xbar = mean = sum of (x*p) = 1*0.5 + 2*0.2 + 3*0.3 > Variance = sum ((x-xbar)^2*p) > Note that if your sample size is n, then the unbiased sample > estimate of the population variance is given by > (n/(n-1))*sum ((x-mu)^2*p) = Variance*(n/(n-1)). I just wanted to add that a lot of the things he mentioned above are already built in (eg. sum(x*p), sum(x^2), etc.). You can get to them either from the [->][STAT] menu (which is a choose box no matter what your flag settings are) select 4. Summary stats.., or type (in RPN) 96 MENU. The latter will give you all the same commands, only in a soft key format (versus choose boxes). To find the ones you'll need, hit the soft-key [SUMS]. You can view/change SigmaDAT from the [DATA] softkey. --CS ==== > How do you find the variance and standard deviation of a probability > sample on a 49G? > > For example, I have the following: > x 1 2 3 > p 0.5 0.2 0.3 > Put your data in sigDAT, x in 1st column and p in 2nd column: Mean: .82 sigmaX*Y sigma Y / é PSDEV: .82 sigmaY sigmaDAT OBJ-> EVAL DROP 0 1 ROT START ROT SQ ROT * + NEXT OVER * sigmaX*Y SQ - SWAP DUP * / sqrt é Hope this helps ==== > I just wanted to add that a lot of the things he mentioned above are > already built in (eg. sum(x*p), sum(x^2), etc.... Sorry, Speed: the 49G, as every hp calculator I know, has the lack of entering data with frequencies... You can find WMEAN in calcs like 32SII, but you can not get SDEV or PSDEV in that calculator for a list of grouped data. If you want to describe grouped data in hp calculators you need to program either the entering of data or the functions like mean, sdev, etc... Here: http://www.hpmuseum.org/software/15stgrp.htm you can get a program of mine for entering grouped data in a 15c. Easily portable to other RPN calcs. If you are interested I can send you versions for 32SII and 42S. In the 48/49 (RPL) with matrices statistics, is a better way to program a new mean, a new psdev and sums... In this thread, I have written some of them... Regrads ==== automatically on the calc. > > xbar = mean = sum of (x*p) = 1*0.5 + 2*0.2 + 3*0.3 > > Variance = sum ((x-xbar)^2*p) > > Note that if your sample size is n, then the unbiased sample > > estimate of the population variance is given by > > (n/(n-1))*sum ((x-mu)^2*p) = Variance*(n/(n-1)). > > > I just wanted to add that a lot of the things he mentioned above are > already built in (eg. sum(x*p), sum(x^2), etc.). You can get to them > either from the > [->][STAT] menu (which is a choose box no matter what your flag > settings are) select 4. Summary stats.., or type (in RPN) 96 MENU. > The latter will give you all the same commands, only in a soft key > format (versus choose boxes). To find the ones you'll need, hit the > soft-key [SUMS]. You can view/change SigmaDAT from the [DATA] > softkey. > > --CS ==== You are right, I am wrong and apologize. But the 48GX is still the best!! Rod > > > One more time! HPGX get it not your 49 toy!!! Start anoter NG for that once > > and for all!! > > > Why that deep rooted hate my dear HPXX co-user? > Do not be such a racist against the 49ers! > We are all friends here :-) united under a > common cause against all external evil that > attempts to divide us and destroy the RPL land > of happiness that we support with our sweat! > Besides, face it, once and for all >:-O , that > the HP49 is a more complete machine compared > to any of the previous RPL calcs! > :-) > Any one care to defend my opinion against the > more conservative fellows of this newsgroup? > > !Demeter! ==== Veli-Pekka, knowledgble person on the HP calculators and sincerely value your input. Keep up the great work!!! Rod > X > > HP4x? I haven't seen much discussion of the 41C, 41CX, 41CV, 42S, 45, or > > 46 on this newsgroup. > So HP 40G would be in and HP 39G (or 38G) would be out. > How about: > 'comp.sys.hp.symbolic' > ?? > Veli-Pekka > > ==== > > > I say, let him talk. In fact, give him *more* rope. Know what I mean? > I would say that John's contribution to the world of HP calculators entitles him to pretty much anything except incest and morris dancing. (I forget who said that.) Why would the world be a better place if John is forced to recant? Sincerely, Bill (For those who are annoyed at all the recent off-topic posting, this one is definitely right on. If John is driven away, the loss is very much our own.) ==== > Therefore > to say I ate that hot dog with relish would have two distinct meanings. > Four, actually. The Chinese would interpret it quite differently.. ;-) Werner ==== Ooops, _you_ did it again! > > I don't know _some_ english words ... X > http://dictionary.reference.com > http://thesaurus.reference.com incessant ? => continuous (CMOS memory with a condensator backup, HP 25C) volubility ? => flow profuse? => excessive, plentiful fecal ? => decomposed (which I guessed from the context) Your explanation where more complicated than explanateyee. > intemperance? => impulsiveness > > intriguing = fascinating (Spock's favorite adjective!). Nice To Know (basis) [in contrast to secret agent's Need To Know) I thought that opportunistic would be a better http://thesaurus.reference.com synonyme > grievances ? * NOT IN THE THESAURUS * miss-spelled (by me?) ?? trifling ? => insignificant (I thought the opposite...) peevish ? => irritable wrangle ? => fight (close enough to wrestle[mania] for me to guess) > Hope this helped. If not, I'm at a loss for words. ;-) You have no more words? > -Joe- > A word to the wise is sufficient. If one understands it! I don't seem to have the Gift of the Holy Spirit to interpret languages... but once again, with the http://thesaurus.reference.com I don't seem to need it for reading this NG Veli-Pekka ==== > > > I don't know _some_ english words ... > > The richness of the English language unfortunately makes it impossible > to learn it all. There is no way for any one person to know the entire > vocabulary. unfortunately? But that's one of the things that I love about my mother tongue. It has so many ways to express an idea, with so many nuances. (But on the other hand, with so many ways to misuse or abuse the language.) It shows such a predilection for growth and so many delightful quirks. It has so much available room for learning. When you include the possible compounds, various forms, archaisms, neologisms, and appropriations from other languages, is there any limit to the vocabulary available in the English language? When I can't bedazzle 'em with my brilliance, I can always try to baffle 'em with my bull____. My thanks to England for this marvelous gift (or did The Colonies instead steal it?). I'm sure that other languages must have their good points, but I'm for the most part blissfully ignorant of them. > It's a good idea to keep a good dictionary at hand. (Or, in > British English, to hand). My favorite is the Random House Collegiate > Dictionary, but there are many other excellent ones, including these > free-to-use online ones: > http://dictionary.reference.com > http://thesaurus.reference.com For myself, I'd fain have the wondrous Oxford English Dictionary, in particular to indulge my penchant for archaisms. Alas, it scarcely seems affordable for a non-professional user. Yet even the O.E.D. doesn't attempt to be all-inclusive. > > logorrheic = > > log.87or.87rhe.87a (l.99[Eth]guh rEE_uh, log[Eth]uh-) n. > - pathologically incoherent, repetitious speech. > - incessant or compulsive talkativeness; wearisome volubility. > > Just as diarrhea is an abnormally profuse flow of fecal matter, > logorrhea is an abnormally profuse flow of words. Sort of like > mental diarrhea. Logorrheic is the adjective form of that noun. surmised the meaning from its roots and the context. I fully intend to add logorrhea to my personal vocabulary; I'm sure that I'll find occasion to use it. I expect that the British would spell it logorrhoea? Very locally, we have the expression diarrhea of the mouth with a complication of constipation of the brain. Logorrhea captures much of the meaning of diarrhea of the mouth, albeit not quite perfectly accurately or so graphically. I wonder whether there's such a wonderful substitute for constipation of the brain? Nick, can you find some Greek roots that we can put together for this? Hey Nick! Are you with us? Oh well, if he's not, then I do hope that he's catching up on his sleep. I'll admit that I have a very slight suspicion that I myself just might, on rare occasions, be somewhat afflicted with logorrhea, but I hope very rarely with constipation of the brain (save in the hours between sunrise and noon, of course). Conciseness is often admirable, but sometimes a great many words seem to be needed to completely and accurately express one's thoughts. Besides which, my sheer ebullience in using the language tends to lead me to ramble on.... Argh! Am I showing some faint symptoms reminiscent of logorrhea? I hope that it doesn't progress to logomania! Personally, I'm always glad to see a new post from either Joe or John. They're both quite knowledgeable and helpful on the subject of my favourite calculators. Even when off-topic, they're usually witty or wise. Regardless of the merits or evils of TM(r), surely it's sometimes good to just relax, clear the mind of those concerns which one can do precious little about, and remember those things that are really most precious to us. A good sleep does much to heal both mind and body. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit. The best puns are those that go unnoticed. Oh well, it's a deep subject, but I suppose that I'd better dummy up for a while. -- James ==== Alternate Definition: logorrheia = A vowel movement ;-} Bob > > > > > > I say, let him talk. In fact, give him *more* rope. Know what I mean? > > > > I would say that John's contribution to the world of HP calculators > entitles him to pretty much anything except incest and morris > dancing. (I forget who said that.) > > Why would the world be a better place if John is forced to recant? > > Sincerely, > Bill > > (For those who are annoyed at all the recent off-topic posting, this > one is definitely right on. If John is driven away, the loss is very > much our own.) ==== > The best puns are those that go unnoticed. A good pun is its own reword. > Oh well, it's a deep subject... *That* one didn't go unnoticed. ;-) -Joe- ==== > Alternate Definition: > logorrheia = A vowel movement ;-} -Joe- Hanging is too good for a man who makes puns; he should be drawn and quoted. -- Fred Allen ==== How can I complete the square on my hp49g? -- Titus Barik (barik@ieee.org) ==== > Emulator for PC of the new CASIO ClassPad300 thanks for the links. Do you have any idea of the real speed versus the emulator speed? If the real speed is approx the same as the emulator speed, then it's probably a good competitor to the TI89/92 and HP49. The interface and geometry is a real plus (even compared to the TI92 since the stylus is much more appropriate for that), the CAS is at first very similar to the TI89 CAS (better than the graph 100). Programming is much better than on previous Casio, but not as good as on to TI/HP: it seems impossible to define a user function with usual programming control structures. Strange: it seems there is no spreadsheet. The different applications communicate a little bit together inside the e-activity app, but not as much as they could. ==== In a previous post (I can't recall exactly which one), it was mentioned that Urroz's books were available on greatunpublished.com. I would like to get myself a copy, but since I don't know the web that well, I just wanted to know if anyone here had ever had any trouble in dealing with greatunpublished.com or should they be considered a reliable company? ==== Yes and no. Be careful with your receipts and order etc. They send by mistake two part II's into Finland's HP Distributor Radix Oy and then say that Radix should either _pay_ the shipment of the 2nd Part II back OR to pay again in order to keep it, before they would send but I guess that the laws of US allows that (and bombing civilians in...) Otherwise I enjoy reading my Part II (: which I got free from Radix after the episode described above) (: No, no, no, not the war, it's not over yet. After the Urroz episode II) > In a previous post (I can't recall exactly which one), it was > mentioned that Urroz's books were available on greatunpublished.com. I > would like to get myself a copy, but since I don't know the web that > well, I just wanted to know if anyone here had ever had any trouble in > dealing with greatunpublished.com or should they be considered a > reliable company? > ==== I just ordered the electronic version of Book 1 as I'm in Europe. They took my money fine, and the download worked... The book is a special EXE that runs a PDF file.. not the absolutely greatest font for reading or printing easily, and they don't have TOC or index links in the document, but it's readable on all my computers here. I'll probably order Book II when I get that far up the math food chain... but I wish he'd go back and re-format the electronic version to be a tad more electronic... Al... > In a previous post (I can't recall exactly which one), it was > mentioned that Urroz's books were available on greatunpublished.com. I > would like to get myself a copy, but since I don't know the web that > well, I just wanted to know if anyone here had ever had any trouble in > dealing with greatunpublished.com or should they be considered a > reliable company? > ==== > Yes and no. > Be careful with your receipts and order etc. Yes and no too. I have experienced their mistake for the shipping. They charged me the shpping fee of UPS Global Priority Mail as their as I requested. fault and refund the balance. Be careful and make them ensure what you need. Kenji Nagahama, Japan nagahamaknj@mx10.ttcn.ne.jp ==== >In a previous post (I can't recall exactly which one), it was >mentioned that Urroz's books were available on greatunpublished.com. I >would like to get myself a copy, but since I don't know the web that >well, I just wanted to know if anyone here had ever had any trouble in >dealing with greatunpublished.com or should they be considered a >reliable company? > I had problem with them too. When they sent me the books many of the figures were entirely black. I tried several times to get the problem fixed,but never did. They sent me three copies of the two volumes and all still had this problem. So I just printed out the offending pages from the electronic version and taped them over the pages with the mistakes. Harold A. Climer Physics/Astronomy Lab Instructor U. Tennessee At Chattanooga ==== > In Sept 1983, Dr. Dobb's Journal published a benchmark, submitted by Bill Savage, (then) > of Houston. The benchmark goes like this. > > 10 RADIANS > 20 A=1 > 30 FOR I=1 TO 2499 > 40 A=TAN(ATAN(EXP(LOG(SQR(A*A)))))+1 > 50 NEXT I > 60 PRINT A > > A compilation of results was published in the British publication, DATAFILE, Volume 8, > Number 1. All of the HP Saturn based machines such as the HP71/28/48/27/32/42 got the > same result, namely 2499.99948647. The HP75 got 2499.9994203. The HP41 got 2499.970322. > desired result is 2500 exactly. This result can only happen with exact arithmetic. > > In the case of the HP71/48/49/42, etc., without exact arithmetic, would a result of > 2500.00000000 be what we should wish for? Did the HP71 get what it should have, and if > not, why not? In general any numerical approach to the computation expressed by the program above will produce some value close to, but not equal to, 2500, since several transcendental functions (tan, atan, exp, log) are involved whose values for the arguments given to them in the program above cannot be expressed precisely in any finite numerical representation. Whatever finite numerical representation (typically floating-point) is used will end up producing only approximate intermediate values, and hence the accumulated error. A symbolic computation system (which is not the same thing as what you seem to mean by exact arithmetic) could simplify the expression inside the loop to A=A+1 (although the SQR(A*A) would usually be simplified to the more generally correct ABS(A), so you might get A=ABS(A)+1). In fact on an HP 48 I could write a little program like << 'A' 1 2499 START DUP SQ /- LN EXP ATAN TAN 1 + NEXT >> (by /- I mean the square root symbol, but I don't have the manual handy to look up the translate code for it) to produce an exact algebraic representation of the computation (don't try this at home; you'll get an algebraic which takes forever to display), which could conceivably then be simplified by ALG48 or the HP 49 CAS to the numerical value 2500. -- Steve VanDevender I ride the big iron http://jcomm.uoregon.edu/~stevev Little things break, circuitry burns / Time flies while my little world turns Every day comes, every day goes / 100 years and nobody shows -- Happy Rhodes ==== > To me it worked immediately. > I have both the M$ & Sun Java installed. This may be it. We're using Windows as a development vehicle. Kids just feel themselves more comfortable there yet, although I told them, of course, that this is not everything out there, and they've actually ran Alexander -- Dr Alexander Supalov Senior Software Engineer -------------------------------------------------------------------- //// pallas / A Member of the ExperTeam Group Pallas GmbH / Hermuelheimer Str. 10 / 50321 Bruehl / Germany Alexander.Supalov@pallas.com / www.pallas.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- ==== > Did you have to check the batteries?? You may laugh, but the kids are eager to emulate that, too. :) Alexander -- Dr Alexander Supalov Senior Software Engineer -------------------------------------------------------------------- //// pallas / A Member of the ExperTeam Group Pallas GmbH / Hermuelheimer Str. 10 / 50321 Bruehl / Germany Alexander.Supalov@pallas.com / www.pallas.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- ==== > > Did you have to check the batteries?? No, I did not. > You may laugh, but the kids are eager to emulate that, too. :) May one do a some sort of hardware reset if it jams/got stuck ? Veli-Pekka - Old Kid Of The Block ==== > > > To me it worked immediately. > > I have both the M$ & Sun Java installed. > I used Mozilla 1.3 with Sun Java and it worked right away. guillen ==== > I used Mozilla 1.3 with Sun Java and it worked right away. Alexander -- Dr Alexander Supalov Senior Software Engineer -------------------------------------------------------------------- //// pallas / A Member of the ExperTeam Group Pallas GmbH / Hermuelheimer Str. 10 / 50321 Bruehl / Germany Alexander.Supalov@pallas.com / www.pallas.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- ==== Can some kind list reader offer specific information on the computation of summary statistics (e.g., sigmaX, sigmaY, sigmaXY, sigmaX-squared, sigmaY-squared) from a two-columned matrix of x,y pairs ? I have a student with an HP28C in my engineering statistics course who has a need to compute these summary statistics for working with a linear regression model (and the exam is next Friday!). We've figured out how to work the calculator's linear regression function, but cannot determine how to get these other summary statistics. Note that he has the calculator's Reference Manual and the all-to-brief introductory guide -- we do not have the Owner's Manual with the section on Programming Examples. Many thanks. -- Gary E. RAFE, Ph.D. grafe@eng.utoledo.edu ==== Gary: John > Can some kind list reader offer specific information on the > computation of summary statistics (e.g., sigmaX, sigmaY, sigmaXY, > sigmaX-squared, sigmaY-squared) from a two-columned matrix of x,y pairs ? > > I have a student with an HP28C in my engineering statistics course > who has a need to compute these summary statistics for working with > a linear regression model (and the exam is next Friday!). > > We've figured out how to work the calculator's linear regression function, > but cannot determine how to get these other summary statistics. > Note that he has the calculator's Reference Manual and the all-to-brief > introductory guide -- we do not have the Owner's Manual with the section > on Programming Examples. > > Many thanks. > -- > Gary E. RAFE, Ph.D. > grafe@eng.utoledo.edu ==== Good day, Is it possible to transfert a text file from the note pad of my Palm Vx to my HP 48S. How can i do???? Vincent Graphics in RPN mode --------------------------------- When in RPN mode, Y= , win, graph, 2D/3D keys cannot be used to do those functions. So it seems, we must use the APPS key and select 1. Plot functions Question 1. I select 1. Equation Entry I press ADD to add an equation and it prompty puts me in the Equation writer HOW DO I ADD EXPRESSIONS that are already stored in VARIABLES ??????? Question 2. But assuming I add my equation by writing a new one in the eqn writer as per question 1..... I then press OK hoping to get back to PLOT FUNCTION menu so I can select my independent variable and set my horizontal and vertical ranges..... BUT INSTEAD.... I end up at the turn on screen looking at an empty stack. I must then select APPS again, then 1. Plot Functions before doing Plot Setup or Plot Window...... and after each of these operations I end up back at the stack. SURELY.... there must be a way to quickly flip between Plot Window, Graph Display and Plot Setup..... because I cant believe that you PRO's are putting up with this ! better than a 48 ==== hi, MendesS schrieb im Newsbeitrag > > Graphics in RPN mode > --------------------------------- > When in RPN mode, Y= , win, graph, 2D/3D keys cannot be used to do those > functions. You have to press [L-SHIFT]&[F1-F6] (means press them both together when in RPN mode) This should solve some of your problems. > HOW DO I ADD EXPRESSIONS that are already stored in VARIABLES ? How about [L-SHIFT]-[ON] (this will halt the calc and you can copy whatever you want) [L-SHIFT]-[ON] (the calc continues and you can paste your expresson into the equation writer Y=' ') > Question 2. But assuming I add my equation by writing a new one in the eqn > writer as per question 1..... I then press OK hoping to get back to PLOT > FUNCTION menu so I can select my independent variable and set my horizontal and > vertical ranges..... BUT INSTEAD.... I end up at the turn on screen looking > at an empty stack. Just press (from the equation writer Y=' ') [L-SHIFT]&[F2] (to make the proper adjustments) and then [L-SHIFT]&[F3] (to plot your equation) 49G is > better than a 48 I used an HP48G for some time before I got the 49 but hardly use the 48 anymore. The 49 is realy an improved HP48 IMO. Roman ==== I am using a HP49G calculator to calculate the following integral: S(0, infinity, X^2*L*EXP(-L*X ), X) with the constraint: L>=0 It is the constraint that's giving me a headache. I can't figure out how to add it. I have been searching the manual, the web and the google groups for a solution, but I could not find one. Could someone please help me? Karel Maurissen I just received Klotz cards..... they look NAKED just a bare PCB... not what I was expecting I wonder if any of the complaints I have been reading on this board could be related to a total LACK of shielding....... I mean my Pocket Professional ROM cards at least have a metal plate on each side. DO ALL KLOTZ CARDS come like this.... BARE PCB ????????????? and if they do, can anybody REASSURE me that they work GREAT like this with NO problems ?????????? ==== > I just received Klotz cards..... they look NAKED > just a bare PCB... not what I was expecting > I wonder if any of the complaints I have been reading on this board could be > related to a total LACK of shielding....... I mean my Pocket Professional ROM > cards at least have a metal plate on each side. > DO ALL KLOTZ CARDS come like this.... BARE PCB ????????????? > and if they do, can anybody REASSURE me that they work GREAT like this with NO > problems ?????????? Ummm...I'm assuming you visited the the Klotz site, and that's where you bought the card from? They explain and answer _all_ your questions above. http://uuhome.de/oklotz/faq_e.html ==== > > I just received Klotz cards..... they look NAKED > > ...as they are in the pictures in Klotz's site... http://uuhome.de/oklotz/1mb_e.html The mine (1Mb) works without problem. Enjoy it ==== I have two 128K and one 2M card and they have worked great. John > > I just received Klotz cards..... they look NAKED > > just a bare PCB... not what I was expecting > > I wonder if any of the complaints I have been reading on this board could be > related to a total LACK of shielding....... I mean my Pocket Professional ROM > cards at least have a metal plate on each side. > > DO ALL KLOTZ CARDS come like this.... BARE PCB ????????????? > > and if they do, can anybody REASSURE me that they work GREAT like this with NO > problems ?????????? ==== >DO ALL KLOTZ CARDS come like this.... BARE PCB ????????????? > >and if they do, can anybody REASSURE me that they work GREAT like this with >NO >problems ?????????? I have one 128K and one 2M. No problems in nearly a year! Bill alternate E-dress wtstorey@ieee.org.no.spam.please (Use the obvious) Can anybody help me with this one ? It's NOT listed in any of the documentation that comes with hp49G Also, what's the best way to insert a stored expression object into a formula that I am building in the Equation writer...... in ALGEBRAIC mode PS. I already KNOW how to do it in RPN.... it's the CAS that's drivin me crazy.. (mainly because the DOCUMENTATION that comes with 49G is CRAP compared to what came with the 48SX and GX) ==== X > Also, what's the best way to insert a stored expression object into a formula > that I am building in the Equation writer...... in ALGEBRAIC mode [HIST] ==== > Can anybody help me with this one ? > > It's NOT listed in any of the documentation that comes with hp49G Check the status of flag -123 If it is set, clear it! (49G with ROM version 1.19-6 I presume, right?) Hope this helps! Alex Markatis Civil Engineer GREECE-HELLAS ==== Same discussion in French: http://www.hp-network.com/forum/read.php?f=1&i=12999&t=12999 > Here (but in French): > > http://www.hp-sources.com/cours/xnviewconv/ > > > > > > I want to know if we can see grobs in the Hp40 in 8 colors??? > > > > ==== I really dig this situation. Really. First there are guys debating on political matters. Then there are guys debating on the debating on political matters. And here I am, debating on the debating on the debating on political matters. Jazzy, isn't it? Anyway. I promise that in compensation for this almost but not entirely OT which requires my getting re-acquainted with ASM, which is also jazzy). Anyway, be well, X -- Alexandros Andreou, Operator. | Reached at: ee4299 at ee.teiath.gr. America loves its anarchists when they are safely ensconced in the grave. ==== Remember to 1) adapt to the screen resolution and 2) to calculate alone the lines to save CPU resources. 3) ...Forget it! You probably knew _all_ the tricks already... > I really dig this situation. Really. First there are guys debating on > political matters. Then there are guys debating on the debating on political > matters. And here I am, debating on the debating on the debating on political > matters. Jazzy, isn't it? > > Anyway. I promise that in compensation for this almost but not entirely OT task > which requires my getting re-acquainted with ASM, which is also jazzy). > > Anyway, be well, > > X > > -- > Alexandros Andreou, Operator. | Reached at: ee4299 at ee.teiath.gr. > America loves its anarchists when they are safely ensconced in the grave. ==== >I really dig this situation. Really. First there are guys debating on >political matters. Then there are guys debating on the debating on >political matters. And here I am, debating on the debating on the >debating on political matters. Jazzy, isn't it? Mass debating? -- Bruce Horrocks Hampshire England bh@granby.demon.co.uk ==== I write to group since Caspar Lugtmeier does not support prog anymore. If you are Caspar, please let me know. Am trying to model in FEM 48 since it may be programmed easily. MODEL Units mm N have three nodes x z -1000 0 0 0 0 10000 Two different properties e i a 210000 175e6 1960 section 180000 1 52 guy wire hinged in both ends (howÇs that done?) loads NLF 3 5000 0 0 0 and then comes the problem; I define a distributed load on the vertical section, run the prg and compare with a standard FEM package.Results match. But when trying to introduce a load parallel to the x-axis on the guy wire results vary by a few percent in mm deviation. I assume that IÇm doing something wrong, but cannot se what. I have more demanding taks ahead, if I get it working, where I have several levels of guy wires for the guyed mast. I see a great potential in this program and the usage there of... ;) ==== > I agree with you 100%. There are plenty of other places to post that! Let's > keep this for HP Calcs, especially the **48** series, hence the name. 49 > should start a new group! > > Rod Welcome to comp.sys.hp4x! All 39Gers go to your own froup. -- Alexandros Andreou, Operator. | Reached at: ee4299 at ee.teiath.gr. America loves its anarchists when they are safely ensconced in the grave. ==== You apparently can't read. It is the **48** group, dumbass! > > I agree with you 100%. There are plenty of other places to post that! Let's > > keep this for HP Calcs, especially the **48** series, hence the name. 49 > > should start a new group! > > > > Rod > > Welcome to comp.sys.hp4x! All 39Gers go to your own froup. > > -- > Alexandros Andreou, Operator. | Reached at: ee4299 at ee.teiath.gr. > America loves its anarchists when they are safely ensconced in the grave. ==== One more time! HPGX get it not your 49 toy!!! Start anoter NG for that once and for all!! > I'm saying STOP to all this political discussion about war and > discusion about history!! > This groups is supposed to be about HP4x and not about that crap that > is going on out there ! > > Demo ==== > One more time! HPGX get it not your 49 toy!!! Start anoter NG for that once > and for all!! Troll. ==== > I agree with you 100%. There are plenty of other places to post that! Let's > keep this for HP Calcs, especially the **48** series, hence the name. 49 > should start a new group! > > Rod I thought that it was supposed to include the 28 series. In any case, much of the discussion of either the 48 series or the 49G applies to both. It makes sense to me that one newsgroup be used for all RPL calculators. It would, however, be helpful if all posters mentioned which particular model they were referring to. > > I'm saying STOP to all this political discussion about war and > > discusion about history!! > > This groups is supposed to be about HP4x and not about that crap that > > is going on out there ! > > > > Demo HP4x? I haven't seen much discussion of the 41C, 41CX, 41CV, 42S, 45, or 46 on this newsgroup. -- James ==== X > HP4x? I haven't seen much discussion of the 41C, 41CX, 41CV, 42S, 45, or > 46 on this newsgroup. So HP 40G would be in and HP 39G (or 38G) would be out. How about: 'comp.sys.hp.symbolic' ?? Veli-Pekka ==== > X >> HP4x? I haven't seen much discussion of the 41C, 41CX, 41CV, 42S, 45, or >> 46 on this newsgroup. > So HP 40G would be in and HP 39G (or 38G) would be out. > How about: > 'comp.sys.hp.symbolic' How about: comp.sys.hp.rpn ==== Why do idiots like you try to spoil it for everyone else? We're all perfectly happy with what we've got, which is a group that can discuss any HP calculator regardless of which model or whether it is RPN or not. Who cares what the NG is actually called? As a 39G user I may not have much in common with the 48/49 but I have enough that I get some benefit from the discussions. If you don't like it then go away and stop bothering the rest of us. > One more time! HPGX get it not your 49 toy!!! Start anoter NG for that once > and for all!! > You apparently can't read. It is the **48** group, dumbass! ==== > One more time! HPGX get it not your 49 toy!!! Start anoter NG for that once > and for all!! Why that deep rooted hate my dear HPXX co-user? Do not be such a racist against the 49ers! We are all friends here :-) united under a common cause against all external evil that attempts to divide us and destroy the RPL land of happiness that we support with our sweat! Besides, face it, once and for all >:-O , that the HP49 is a more complete machine compared to any of the previous RPL calcs! :-) Any one care to defend my opinion against the more conservative fellows of this newsgroup? !Demeter! ==== > > One more time! HPGX get it not your 49 toy!!! Start anoter NG for that once > > and for all!! Lol. Turns out this toy is quite faster and has WAY more memory. Sure theres the design problem and the IR issue... but those are nothing serious. 49G is better then GX. Im talking technically here. Theres no question about it. Speed and power are the things that matter in the end (tests). Im not saying that the 48 series is bad (quite good in fact) but the forum should be dedicated to HP CALCS. .... > > Why that deep rooted hate my dear HPXX co-user? > Do not be such a racist against the 49ers! > We are all friends here :-) united under a > common cause against all external evil that > attempts to divide us and destroy the RPL land > of happiness that we support with our sweat! > Besides, face it, once and for all >:-O , that > the HP49 is a more complete machine compared > to any of the previous RPL calcs! > :-) > Any one care to defend my opinion against the > more conservative fellows of this newsgroup? > > !Demeter! 100% agreed. [AC] ==== > time is setting the limits :( Eric needs to have full account in server > -> I have to set up separate server, because institute policy does not > allow strangers into our web server. Furthermore I have to separate it > from our network with bridging firewall and all of it means one full day (and relevant daemons) for newer patches and set up the virtual host', but we're on a more lax institute policy (we already have mirrors of a few sites, mostly of things we use ourselves, and also have the www.gr.uiccc.org :) ). Anyway, mirrors are never enough. Any other guys with bandwidth, step up! And girls, surely... -- Alexandros Andreou, Operator. | Reached at: ee4299 at ee.teiath.gr. America loves its anarchists when they are safely ensconced in the grave. ==== > I was wondering if anyone else is using the X48 (0.50) emulator under > although it mainly works well, it has one (somewhat) annoying flaw: > the autorepeat rate on the keyboard for the editing keys is far too > fast (for example, if you press the cursor up key to move up the > stack, you invariably move up the entire stack, not just a single > level). This affects both keyboard entry, and clicking with the mouse > on the virtual keys. > > Does anyone have any ideas about possible solutions to this? I have > tried looking at the source, but my experience with unix type systems > isn't quite up to the task :( Use x48 0.4.0? A bientot Paul -- Paul Floyd http://paulf.free.fr (for what it's worth) Netgear: the worst technical support I've ever encountered.