A135 I was wondering if there was a fast way of producing a list with say, 256 numbers in it. Each term incrementally bigger than the previous one. eg. in Matlab it would look something like this: T = 16; h = 1/16; t = (0:h:T); t is the vector (or list) that I'm after. ==== You can use the seq command. Enter the following in the stack: 'x' 'x' 0 16 '1/16' seq The first 'x' is the function to be evaluated, the second 'x' is the variable, the next 3 values specify start, end and increment value. seq generates a list with the wanted contents. Holger I was wondering if there was a fast way of producing a list with say, 256 > numbers in it. Each term incrementally bigger than the previous one. eg. > in Matlab it would look something like this: T = 16; > h = 1/16; > t = (0:h:T); t is the vector (or list) that I'm after. > ==== > You can use the seq command. Enter the following in the stack: > > 'x' > 'x' > 0 > 16 > '1/16' > seq > > The first 'x' is the function to be evaluated, the second 'x' is the > variable, the next 3 values specify start, end and increment value. seq > generates a list with the wanted contents. > > I was wondering if there was a fast way of producing a list with say, \\ 256 > numbers in it. Each term incrementally bigger than the previous one. eg. > in Matlab it would look something like this: T = 16; > h = 1/16; > t = (0:h:T); t is the vector (or list) that I'm after. > But the SEQ command has to be in upper case letters, since HP49 operations are case sensitive. ==== Strange error, if you really have done the change to binary transfert ... Maybe it came from the hp connectivity kit ... Try to use hyperterminal ( go in file -> properties, set the port and \\ config it (9600 bauds , flux control: none (maybe it's not the same on your computer ( i'm french ) ) and then establish the connection go in your calculator ... transfer and try kermit and xmodem ) it can set up your problem i think ... but i have always resolved this type of problem by changing ascii to binary or binary to ascii ... Fran\\.8dois MULLER > I have spent some more time today trying to figure this out and it turns out > that I am getting an \\Invalid Syntax Error\\ error from the calc and \\ that > \\T ) DC current in a lo\\ is a line of text from the text file I am > transferring. I have examined the file and this line of text is no different > from any of the others but I removed it anyways and then I got an error for > a different line. I have tried sending using both ASCII and Binary. The HP > software gives me the error \\Invalid Syntax: The file you tried to send does > not contain valid data or a valid program\\ I have transferred text \\ files > like this before and I don't understand why this is happening? I am having difficulties transferring an 11KB text file from my PC to \\ my > HP > 48GX. When the file is about 75% done transferring around packet 108, > this > rest > enough current through? I have tried reconnecting the cable to my PC \\ and > HP > and I still get this error. Sometimes it will stop halfway through the > transfer and when I look at the file on the calc it is missing half the > text > and the file is only 4KB. I am using the HP Connectivity software by \\ the > way. This is really is really frustrating because I have transferred > files > to my calculator numerous times and never have had a problem before. If > anyone could help I would be very appreciative. ==== > I have spent some more time today trying to figure this out and it turns \ \\ out > that I am getting an \\Invalid Syntax Error\\ error from the calc and \\ that > \\T ) DC current in a lo\\ is a line of text from the text file I am A common problem in transferring text files is embedded quotation marks. The text file should be strings between double quotes, and not like this: \\The text might contain \\embedded quotes\\ like this.\\ If that's the problem, the only cure I know is to remove any internal quotation marks. Bill Toronto, Canada ==== > I have spent some more time today trying to figure this out and it turns out > that I am getting an \\Invalid Syntax Error\\ error from the calc and \\ that > \\T ) DC current in a lo\\ is a line of text from the text file I am A common problem in transferring text files is embedded quotation > marks. The text file should be strings between double quotes, and not > like this: \\The text might contain \\embedded quotes\\ like this.\\ If that's the problem, the only cure I know is to remove any internal > quotation marks. If you want the text have literal quotes embedded in it, then the thing to do is put it in a counted string form. The C$ $ form is most convenient for this. On any 48 series calculator or the 49G, you can use a \\counted string\\ form instead of the \\\\ string delimiters in the command line or in a PC \\ASCII format\\ file: C$ n characters where n is the number of characters in body of the string. For example: C$ 3 a\\b will be displayed on the stack as \\a\\b\\. C$ 3 abc will be displayed on the stack as \\abc\\. C$ 3 abcdef will be displayed on the stack with \\abc\\ on level 2 and 'def' on level 1 (assuming that no variable named 'def' is found). But the first non-numeric character (even if it isn't a separator character) after n isn't included in the body of the string, so: C$ 3abcdef will be displayed on the stack with \\bcd\\ on level 2 and 'ef' on level 1 (assuming that no variable named 'ef' is found). The a is discarded. If n is greater than the number of characters available in the command line or in the rest of the file, then the length of the string is shortened to match the available characters, so: C$ 20 abcdef is displayed on the stack as \\abcdef\\ A special case of the \\counted string\\ form is: C$ $ characters This form indicates that the rest of the command line or of the PC file is one string, much like saying that n=infinity (maybe it should be called the \\uncounted string form\\?). But note that for this form, you need exactly one separator character after the second $, before the body of the string; anything else will result in an \\Invalid Syntax\\ error. Space or NewLine seem to me to be the most convenient. C$ $ This is a test. will be displayed on the stack as \\This is a test.\\ If you use: level one, and similarly with other delimiters. So if you want the entire file to be treated as a string, add C$ $ after the ASCII transfer header. Don't forget to leave a separator after the second $, or else start the body of the string on a new line. Since the A() and F() parameters don't matter for a string, you could use simply: %%HP: T(3);C$ $ (with no trailing whitespace) as the first line and start the body of the string on the second line. The header tells the calculator to treat this as an ASCII transfer, and the T(3) in the header indicates that the with translation option 0, 1, or 2, then set this parameter to match. -- ==== I ended up checking the settings on my calculator and found out it was set up for ASCII transfers. After changing the setting to binary and setting the HP software to binary I have not had any problems :) > I am having difficulties transferring an 11KB text file from my PC to my HP > 48GX. When the file is about 75% done transferring around packet 108, this rest > enough current through? I have tried reconnecting the cable to my PC and HP > and I still get this error. Sometimes it will stop halfway through the > transfer and when I look at the file on the calc it is missing half the text > and the file is only 4KB. I am using the HP Connectivity software by the > way. This is really is really frustrating because I have transferred files > to my calculator numerous times and never have had a problem before. If > anyone could help I would be very appreciative. ==== >I am having difficulties transferring an 11KB text file from my PC to my \ \\ HP >48GX. When the file is about 75% done transferring around packet 108, \\ this >enough current through? I have tried reconnecting the cable to my PC and \ \\ HP It sounds like the file is corrupt at this point, and ends. You probably \\ have some embedded quotes, ending the string in the file. The whole file needs to be embedded in \\double quotes\\, and any internal quoting should be done with 'single quotes'. One other possibility is that you have exceeded some sort of text string \\ limit, but I don't remember a limit offhand. alternate E-dress wtstorey@ieee.org.no.spam.please (Use the obvious) ==== ==== Apologies if this has been discussed already - I couldn't find anything definitive in searching back-posts. I'm looking for a way to jump to a particular X value on a plotted graph. Using the cursor keys with trace enabled seems horribly tedious at times. accurate answer - this isn't what I mean; I simply miss the ability to view (with some speed) the approximate function result without having to scroll all the way there. The way I'm doing it now just seems silly. eshylay ==== Can somebody say what the adress is from the basic command GROB? How do we do textbook mode in sys-rpl? How do we display text as the inference aplet when you press on help? That was it for now. ==== Mariano, I was not REALLY able to help you... but you are quite welcome \\ anyway :) About your NEW CALCULATOR.... I have BOTH an hp48 and an hp49 coming because \ \\ I couldn't make up my mind... and I wanted to use a plug-in ROM which I like. However it seems from reading the posts that the hp49 is the better (more powerful) of the two.... better except for the quality of the keys and the placement of the \\enter\\ key... thanks for posting in the forum and let us \ \\ know how you like your new purchase when you get it ==== I'm looking to trade my HP-41cv with all covers, and manuals and electronically sound with the exception it has need of the repair outlined at this link: and Hp-82104A card reader boxed and looks as new for perhaps Garmin GPS III plus or Garmin GPS V? This is what I have, for the right item you can get it all: 1) an HP-41CV that does comes on when the front and back are held tight in hand. 2) 3 manuals for the HP-41CV, owners handbook, standard app's, and experienced user manual 3) boxed card reader w/manual and blank cards plus card holder 4) Brown HP vinyl case and quick reference guide (I may find the black leather HP case, I'm looking) 5) 3 modules with holder - stat 1 HP 00041-14001 with manual and quick card, hp-41 advantage 5061-7285, memory module hp-82106a with quick ref card If anyone would be interested in this, or perhaps some other trade And yes I can send pictures. I'm on ebay, you can check my feedback. ==== does someone have any information about the HP71 survey module (HP 82494). I could not find any on the HP museumsÇ DVD. Perhaps someone knows a trick to override the file protection. If I could read the files I could make a manual myself :) Stefan ==== >>> how will you realize that in a calc, where the stack can take full >>> memory capacity?! How large will the display be? 50\\? ;-) >>We're talking about a super HP41 here, aren't we? > Yes. >>Therefore the stack is only X,Y,Z,T and L , > Why? Even a spuer-41 can have > | the unlimited depth stack of a 48. Then it wouldn't be a 41. Lots of 41 programs depend on the 4-level stack to work correctly. I wouldn't consider any calc to be a true 41 unless it can run, unmodified, any 41 program (and that includes synthetic programs). -- Wayne Brown | \\When your tail's in a crack, you improvise fwbrown@bellsouth.net | if you're good enough. Otherwise you give | your pelt to the trapper.\\ \\e^(i*pi) = -1\\ -- Euler | -- John Myers Myers, \\ \\Silverlock\\ ==== > >> how will you realize that in a calc, where the stack can take full >> memory capacity?! How large will the display be? 50\\? ;-) We're talking about a super HP41 here, aren't we? > > Yes. > >Therefore the stack is only X,Y,Z,T and L , > > Why? Even a spuer-41 can have > > | the unlimited depth stack of a 48. > >And frankly, for day-to-day calculations without >surplus keystrokes I much prefer the >41's four-level stack. > > Oh, even for all-day calculations i like the 48th unlimitesd stack. > If i only could remember all the stack manipulation commands... > I rest my case. -- Steve Ballantyne (9907) ==== >Then it wouldn't be a 41. Lots of 41 programs depend on the 4-level >stack to work correctly. I wouldn't consider any calc to be a true >41 unless it can run, unmodified, any 41 program (and that includes >synthetic programs). There is no reason, why 41-programs that make use if the 4-level-stack won't work on an unlimited stack. Volker ==== > There is no reason, why 41-programs that make use of > the 4-level-stack won't work on an unlimited stack. Actually, there are several reasons. Here are a few that spring to mind: Many RPN programs made use of the automatic replication feature of the T register (level 4, the Top level). Any such program would fail to run in \ \\ RPL, which has no such feature. The program could of course be rewritten to emulate level-T-replication, but it would not be trivial. In any case, the point is that it would fail to run as-is. Also, the 4-level stack has a \\stack lift disable\\ feature that makes \\ keyboard inputs overwrite the X register instead of raising X to Y like usual. Once again, RPL has no such feature, so RPN programs that depend on it would \\ have to be rewritten in RPL. This particular task would be trivial (just adding \ \\ a DROP, probably), but it must be done or the program will fail. The HP-41 can directly address the entire stack. For example, STO Z as 3 UNPICK... but there's no simple equivalent in HP48 RPL. A particularly hairy HP-41 command that the PPC ROM made clever use of (not because it was necessary but because it's delightful to behold) is X<>L, \\ which swaps the X register with the LASTx register. Not only does RPL have no \\ LASTx (no, LASTARG is not the same as LASTx), but it has no \\swap level 1 with variable FOO' feature either. Needless to say, RPN programs containing \\ X<>L (or any of its hairy kin) would not work in RPL without significant \\ recoding. -Joe- ==== > Is a slide rule worth a 41CX? I'd say it depends on the type and condition of the slide rule, and the condition of the 41. Some slipsticks can be bought for a few dollars, others cost hundreds. I'm keeping my 41CX *and* my slide rules. -- Wayne Brown | \\When your tail's in a crack, you improvise fwbrown@bellsouth.net | if you're good enough. Otherwise you give | your pelt to the trapper.\\ \\e^(i*pi) = -1\\ -- Euler | -- John Myers Myers, \\ \\Silverlock\\ ==== I keep my old slide rule in case the power goes out. ; -) >> Is a slide rule worth a 41CX? I'd say it depends on the type and condition of the slide rule, and the >condition of the 41. Some slipsticks can be bought for a few dollars, >others cost hundreds. I'm keeping my 41CX *and* my slide rules. ==== I'm moving my first steps in programming my HP48G (512Kb upgrade by Cynox). First result is the following procedure that draft the well known Mandelbrot set. Yes, I know it's really slow (about half an hour, depending also from the loops'max recursion number), but, I repeat, it's my first attempt, so please, be patient... In my intention this was to be my first, symbolic contribute to the list. In reality, I know it's a quite hilarious, slow, implementation in RPL. So, let me say that I take occasion to welcome any suggestion and encouragement to: 1) make more slender and fast this procedure. 2) better, have news by someone interested in translating in System RPL and make also a more complete program. By myself, I'm strongly interested in learning Sys RPL, but: 1) time is lacking 2) I wish to start gradually, and while several guides are available on the net (I've downloaded and printed several ones), the ones with a less steep learning curve are out of publication, or really expensive when available here in Italy. Who knows, in the future... P.S. As the Mandelbrot set program is quite slow in completing a draw, if anyone interested in getting a pair of completed picture would help me suggesting on how to take them off from my HP48 and make them available on the net, I would be happy. Gianluca << erase -2.58 -0.88 0 0 0 -> <-A <-B <-X <-Y <-N << 0 130 for <-J <-A 0.0299237 + '<-A' sto -.88 '<-B' sto 0 63 for <-k <-B 0.0275 + '<-B' sto 0 '<-X' sto 0 '<-Y' sto 0 '<-N' sto while <-N 100 < <-X SQ <-Y + 4 < and repeat <-X SQ <-Y SQ - <-A + 2 <-X * <-Y * <-B + <-N 1 + '<-N' sto '<-Y' sto '<-X' sto end if <-N 2 mod 0 == then <-J <-K R->C pixon end next next >> PP.S.: \\->\\ and \\<-\\ are, respectively, the right and left arrow symbols; the only effective \\minus\\ relation is the one in the \\while condition\\ line. ==== try this link: http://www.hpcalc.org/hp48/graphics/misc/beno.zip or more general: http://www.hpcalc.org/search.php?query=Mandelbrot I haven't checked them all, but maybe the one or other comes with sources and/or explanation. Have fun, Raymond ==== X > P.S. As the Mandelbrot set program is quite slow in completing a draw, X It's time for ML ==== > It's almost as nice as John Holland's > Engineering Mathematics Library for the HP48. > > Can you provide a download URL (well, mainly to the manual)? Unfortunately, it is no freely available anywhere. The library was sold as an add-in card for the HP48 which came with a 600-page book by Academic Press. Amazon still seems to carry it, but it's over 200 dollars... On the other hand, an HP48 with that library is far and away the best handheld numerical machine to be had anywhere on this planet, bar none. -- Helen. ==== > Maybe ya'll dont want to get into a flame war over which company makes > better calcs, we have seen enough of them, but I would like to point > out the excellent C compiler available for TI-68k calcs. Yes, their C development environment is beautiful. It's a shame that so few people make use of it. It is entirely clear that the high-end TIs have much more potential than any of the comparable HPs, but the user community is different. That may change, though, now that HP is out of the picture. -- Helen. ==== many C compilers don't have many features (like for microcontrollers). is the TI C ansiC compliant or a pseudo C. ie. could you use the GNU scientific library? (i got gcc and gdb installed in my PDA hi hi). can you optimize? does it come with a good debuger? how many functions does it come with? TX > Maybe ya'll dont want to get into a flame war over which company makes > better calcs, we have seen enough of them, but I would like to point > out the excellent C compiler available for TI-68k calcs. > > Yes, their C development environment is beautiful. It's a shame that > so few people make use of it. It is entirely clear that the high-end > TIs have much more potential than any of the comparable HPs, but the > user community is different. That may change, though, now that HP is > out of the picture. > > -- Helen. ==== > > many C compilers don't have many features (like for microcontrollers). > is the TI C ansiC compliant or a pseudo C. ie. could you use the GNU > scientific library? (i got gcc and gdb installed in my PDA hi hi). can > you optimize? does it come with a good debuger? how many functions > does it come with? The c compiler is the gcc port to the 68k processor. The compiler does optomize. Sadly there is no debugger. It comes with more than a thousand: They have stopped keeping close track. This includes rom calls as well as other functions to provide functions of the studio and standard libraries. I guess you could use the gnu scientific library. How large is this library? The sdk by texas instruments does have a pc based debugger/simulator. But the compiler is not as good as gcc. -Samuel ==== I've bought a hp49g from a friend, in its original package like a newone! I've started use the 49g for 2 months before the real one arrive.. and I've spent the last 2 nights in searching the manuals (also in advanced user's guide), about this problem.. but nothing appear! The Filer says that port 1 have no free rooms.. and if I enter I'll find only absurd strings with the description of exter.. Somebody here that can help me? Sorry about my English (I'm italian), but \ \\ it language.. ;) , I know also RPN.. (-: Greetz, Shidov ==== >I've bought a hp49g from a friend, in its original package like a newone! I've started use the 49g for 2 months before the real one arrive.. and \\ I've >spent the last 2 nights in searching the manuals (also in advanced user's >guide), about this problem.. but nothing appear! The Filer says that port 1 have no free rooms.. and if I enter I'll find >only absurd strings with the description of exter.. Somebody here that can help me? Sorry about my English (I'm italian), but \ \\ it >language.. ;) , I know also RPN.. (-: Greetz, Shidov Type PINIT and your problems will go away. -- ==== >> Does anybody know a way to use the solver within a user program? >>30 MENU does the trick. >>The following program stores an equation into 'EQ', starts the solver, \\ and >>then when you press the CONT key it cleans up after itself. \\sqrt\\ is \ \\ the >>square root symbol. >><< 'S=E*sqrt(1-V^2)' STEQ 30 MENU >> HALT { S E V } PURGE 2 MENU >>S = elapsed time in Space >>E = elapsed time on Earth >>V = velocity / speed of light (e.g. .5 means half light speed) >>Run the program. Play with Einstein's Twin Paradox. When finished, \\ press >>CONT (shift-ON). The variables automatically get purged. >>The above is just one way to do it. Many others have been discussed here \ \\ over >>the years. I tried that, and it will sure do the job. But the little app that >runs when you press right-arrow 7 (solve). Is there any way to evoke >that one in a program? I guess I answered too soon, before trying the method you suggested. I tried it with the equation I gave, and entered all the variables but Ea, and when I tried to solve for that, I couldn't find any way to get a numeric solution. With the solver menu that comes up for right arrow 7, you just fill in the known variables, set the cursor over the unknown one, and press 'solve', and it finds the value of the unknown, regardless which variable that is. Am I misunderstanding something about that menu 30? -- john ==== > I couldn't find any way to get a numeric solution. > Am I misunderstanding something about that menu 30? Short answer: [left-shift][n] solves for n. More complete answer: Yes, menu 30 acts differently from all other menus. It is optimized for \\ fast & easy interactive solving of equations. Once you get used to it, you'll NEVER go back to the \\input form\\ solver. Menu 30 is the best invention \ \\ since tachyons. The non-obvious but essential keystrokes in menu 30 are: To SOLVE for [n], press [left-shift][n]. To STORE into [n], press [n], unshifted. To RECALL the value of [n], press [right-shift][n]. That's all you really need, but here are a few other goodies that \\power users\\ find very helpful: (1) Use menu 30 directly from the keyboard (not in a program) by pressing [left-shift][7][ROOT]. Type your equation and press \\ [left-shift][EQ][SOLVR]. In a program, use STEQ and 30 MENU as described in the previous posting. (2) Pressing any key (other than ON) while the solver is working will force \ \\ it to display its progress so that you can watch it converge on the solution. Besides being cool to watch, it's useful especially in two cases: (a) when \ \\ the solver is taking a very long time and you want to know if it's converging \ \\ or just spinning its wheels; and (b) when the equation has multiple solutions \ \\ and you want to get a feel for where they are without graphing the equation. (3) You can set the solver's initial guess by storing that value into that variable. Example: To solve for n at an initial guess of 5, press 5 [n] before solving for n (by pressing [left-shift][n]). (4) You can force the solver to find a solution within a given interval by storing the interval (as a list) into the variable. Example: To find a solution for n between 2 and 6, press { 2 6 } [n] before solving for n. \\ Press any key right away, and you'll see the process begin at 2 and 6. If no solution is found in that interval, the solver will hunt for one elsewhere. (5) You can combine both of the above by storing a list containing three values: the interval and the initial guess. Example: To solve for n between \ \\ 2 and 6, starting at 5, press { 2 6 5 } [n] before solving for n. (6) While the solver is running, pressing ON interrupts it *and* places on \ \\ the stack the upper and lower limits and current guess, in a list as described above. That way, you can interrupt a long SOLVR session to do something \\ else, and then store the list back into the variable and resume solving. (7) Press [right-shift][down-arrow] to see the current equation and the contents of the variables in the menu. (8) Press [EXPR=] to evaluate the left and right sides of the equation. If the equation has no \\=\\ in it, it is solved as if it ended with \\=0\\, \ \\ but pressing [EXPR=] will return only one value (the value of the whole expression). (9) If you don't like the order of the variables in the menu line, you can arrange them any way you like when storing the equation. Example: To force the variables in 'A+C=B+D' to be displayed in the solver in alphabetical order, don't just store 'A+C=B+D' into EQ, but store this *list* instead: { 'A+C=B+D' { A B C D } }. (10) You can also add one or more customized keys that do whatever you \\ want. For example, The following program sets up and starts the solver with an [EXIT] menu button that exits the solver and cleans up after itself: << { 'A+C=B+D' { A B C D { \\EXIT\\ << { A B C D EQ } PURGE 2 MENU >> } } } \ \\ STEQ 30 MENU >> That's a little nicer than pressing CONT (as in the example in my previous posting), and the idea can be extended to add as many keys as you want \\ doing whatever you want, right into the solver. There's even more SOLVR goodies in your manual. Check it out. Hope this helps! -Joe- ==== > I couldn't find any way to get a numeric solution. >> Am I misunderstanding something about that menu 30? Short answer: [left-shift][n] solves for n. More complete answer: Yes, menu 30 acts differently from all other menus. It is optimized for \ \\ fast >& easy interactive solving of equations. Once you get used to it, you'll >NEVER go back to the \\input form\\ solver. Menu 30 is the best invention \ \\ since >tachyons. The non-obvious but essential keystrokes in menu 30 are: To SOLVE for [n], press [left-shift][n]. >To STORE into [n], press [n], unshifted. >To RECALL the value of [n], press [right-shift][n]. That's all you really need, but here are a few other goodies that \\power >users\\ find very helpful: (1) Use menu 30 directly from the keyboard (not in a program) by pressing >[left-shift][7][ROOT]. Type your equation and press \\ [left-shift][EQ][SOLVR]. >In a program, use STEQ and 30 MENU as described in the previous posting. (2) Pressing any key (other than ON) while the solver is working will force \ \\ it >to display its progress so that you can watch it converge on the solution. >Besides being cool to watch, it's useful especially in two cases: (a) when \ \\ the >solver is taking a very long time and you want to know if it's converging \ \\ or >just spinning its wheels; and (b) when the equation has multiple solutions \ \\ and >you want to get a feel for where they are without graphing the equation. (3) You can set the solver's initial guess by storing that value into that >variable. Example: To solve for n at an initial guess of 5, press 5 [n] >before solving for n (by pressing [left-shift][n]). (4) You can force the solver to find a solution within a given interval by >storing the interval (as a list) into the variable. Example: To find a >solution for n between 2 and 6, press { 2 6 } [n] before solving for n. \ \\ Press >any key right away, and you'll see the process begin at 2 and 6. If no >solution is found in that interval, the solver will hunt for one \\ elsewhere. (5) You can combine both of the above by storing a list containing three >values: the interval and the initial guess. Example: To solve for n \\ between 2 >and 6, starting at 5, press { 2 6 5 } [n] before solving for n. (6) While the solver is running, pressing ON interrupts it *and* places on \ \\ the >stack the upper and lower limits and current guess, in a list as described >above. That way, you can interrupt a long SOLVR session to do something \ \\ else, >and then store the list back into the variable and resume solving. (7) Press [right-shift][down-arrow] to see the current equation and the >contents of the variables in the menu. (8) Press [EXPR=] to evaluate the left and right sides of the equation. \ \\ If >the equation has no \\=\\ in it, it is solved as if it ended with \\=0\\, \ \\ but >pressing [EXPR=] will return only one value (the value of the whole >expression). (9) If you don't like the order of the variables in the menu line, you can >arrange them any way you like when storing the equation. Example: To \\ force >the variables in 'A+C=B+D' to be displayed in the solver in alphabetical >order, don't just store 'A+C=B+D' into EQ, but store this *list* instead: \ \\ { >'A+C=B+D' { A B C D } }. (10) You can also add one or more customized keys that do whatever you \\ want. >For example, The following program sets up and starts the solver with an >[EXIT] menu button that exits the solver and cleans up after itself: << { 'A+C=B+D' { A B C D { \\EXIT\\ << { A B C D EQ } PURGE 2 MENU >> } } } \ \\ STEQ >30 MENU > >That's a little nicer than pressing CONT (as in the example in my previous >posting), and the idea can be extended to add as many keys as you want \\ doing >whatever you want, right into the solver. There's even more SOLVR goodies in your manual. Check it out. Wow! I had no idea. I passed over that in the manual because it seemed to dismiss it as a holdover from the SX. It'll take me awhile to -- john ==== Speed, the 2nd way you say, when I press Solve i get error:not exact:system what I'm going wrong? I have HP49 cheers Elvis \\Speed\\ schrieb im Newsbeitrag > The other way to do it is to type the three equations (using equation > writer or the stack) then typing 3 [ROW->] then type the variables > you want to solve for, the 3 [ROW->] then press [SOLVE] from the > [ALG] menu. You don't get to see how the calculator comes up with > it's answers this way though, and it takes longer to type the equations > in. I only very recently learned about this method (from this NG!), > but I will probably only use it if I already have the equations on the > stack. ==== >Speed, the 2nd way you say, when I press Solve i get error:not \\ exact:system >what I'm going wrong? I have HP49 > I don't know, what are the equations you're solving? Which flags do you \\ have set? equations. I tried with two equations with no solution and got { } which means empty \ \\ set. I tried two equations with infinite solution and got one of the equations as a solution, and Y=Y as the other solution (which is interesting, I was hoping to get a parametric solution). I tried exponential functions and got \\Error: non-polynomial system\\. I \ \\ got the same thing from using sin functions. I guess it only works with polynomial \\ systems. I couldn't get it to generate the error you described. Which ROM are you using? If you don't know, type \\VERSION\\ into your calculator and hit [ENTER]. --CS ==== > The memory registers of the 16C can be configured to be from 1 to 16 > nybbles (half-bytes) of physical memory wide (i.e. from 1 to 64 bits), > so having an extra four bits in the index register beyond the normal > 64-bit maximum word size would make it easier to address into physical > nybble memory (rather than 'virtual' words of anything from 1 to 64 > bits). Do you suggest that those 4 bits would hold a multiplier to be applied to the \\normal\\ value of the address register? The manual is surprisingly ambiguous as far as the formatting of the index register is concerned, so that this might be possible. Alexander -- Dr Alexander Supalov Senior Software Engineer -------------------------------------------------------------------- //// pallas / A Member of the ExperTeam Group Pallas GmbH / Hermuelheimer Str. 10 / 50321 Bruehl / Germany Alexander.Supalov@pallas.com / www.pallas.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- ==== > X > > p.s Bravo to N.Karagiorglou for his marathons.(I still do not know \\ all > > the things you are writing about but i am trying) > The impossible name striked again, it's \\Karagiaouroglou\\ but I guess > even copy-paste can't work with that string ;-) > What's up Doc Banner? > You have those nasty ALGebraic smileys again!! Oops! Correct them quickly.. {-B > >-:< GRRRR Doesn't look very peacefull, ehm... sorry??? (Diplomatic approach) No, not that, not my HP49G! > <49BORG assimilation begins....the picture of Mark changes slowly \\ to...> < [-:[] (Hulk with HP49G in brain-bean-soup) > Greetings, Nick Banner, green(k) and incompatible. ==== regarding SIMP.HPP. I can look at and edit the file in \\Code Warrior\\, so if there's a way to change the file so it will work, I can do that. I'm currently running Windows 98. Has anyone had this problem before? Does anyone know how to fix it? --CS ==== \\Speed\\ schrieb im Newsbeitrag > regarding SIMP.HPP. I can look at and edit the file in \\Code Warrior\\, > so if there's a way to change the file so it will work, I can do that. I'm currently running Windows 98. Has anyone had this problem before? Does anyone know how to fix it? > You could try it on a more stable operating system, like Windows NT, or Windows 2000 . I don't know if Win9x is even supported by Debug4x. Raymond ==== > regarding SIMP.HPP. I can look at and edit the file in \\Code Warrior\\, > so if there's a way to change the file so it will work, I can do that. I'm currently running Windows 98. I just downloaded a copy from HPCalc.org and then installed with no problems \ \\ at all on a Win98 SE machine that has never had Debug4x before. The install worked smooth as silk and I could load the Demo \\ project. SIMP.HPP is a project file from C:\\\\Program \\ Files\\\\Hewlett-Packard\\\\Debug4x\\\\Examples\\\\Simple which gets copied during the install. Is it possible you have an old copy of the program? (then do Ctrl Panel \\ add/remove and remove it). Do you have room left on your hard disk? (takes about 32 MB total)? I have received no other reports of failing to install and I do not know of \ \\ anything that would fail under Win98. If none of the above help, I would uninstall (if you can), delete all the Debug4x.zip etc \ \\ and go download a fresh copy. Perhaps there has been an error in the download? The author of Debug4x (based on excellent work by Cyrille, of course). -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bill Graves RKBA! bgraves@ix.netcom.com ==== > > in hpcalc.org in my 49g, using the same method that I use to normally > update the ROM of the 49. But when (I suppose) the process was about > a bank had to be erased, that I went to the \\Erase Banks\\ menu, as > > is using one more bank of 128KB than the HP49. > So go into the Erase bank menu and select the first \\user\\ bank and \\ format > it. Then download as usual. > thanks, problem [SOLVE]d ==== > ! > Are you sure that the users flag status is preserved? I regard leaving any flag, mode, or the current directory changed after the program ends to be very poor practice (or amazing arrogance), unless the program is specifically intended to do so. An exception would be if a warmstart were done while the program is executing. A possible exception (which is just barely possible in this program) would be if CANCEL were pressed while the program is executing. Do you really expect that I'd overlook such a thing in this program? > What if it was -55 SF at the beginning? Then the program errors out at the LASTARG command, before the SF and CF commands, and the flags and stack are left as they were. > Why not use PUSH & POP? They're not needed in this case. Yet another variation follows below. \\\\<< DEPTH \\\\-> d > \\\\<< LASTARG DEPTH d - > IF > DUP > THEN > DUP2 2 + ROLLD DROPN DUP DROP > ELSE > -55 DUP SF CF > END > \\\\>> \\\\>> In the following, if the last arguments buffer is empty, then the real number 0 is put both on the stack and in the last arguments buffer. Note that on a classic RPN calculator, the Last X register can never be truly empty; even after resetting continuous memory, it contains the value of 0 (or 0h in the case of my 16C). Checksum: # ECA9h Bytes: 69 \\\\<< DEPTH \\\\-> d \\\\<< LASTARG DEPTH d - IF DUP THEN DUP2 2 + ROLLD DROPN END DUP DROP \\\\>> \\\\>> -- ==== PS: The checksums that I listed in this thread are for the 48 series; they're different for a 49G. Also note that on a 49G, the numbers in the programs should be entered as reals (with a \\.\\ appended). With the following modifications, the programs should work on a 28 series, but note that I haven't tested them on a 28. Change \\LASTARG\\ to \\LAST\\ and change \\-55 DUP SF CF\\ to \\31 DUP CF \ \\ SF\\. -- ==== > Yes! I like that ability as well, and the option of simply opening the > through a slower html interface (since pages have to load). My favorite is tin. -- Wayne Brown | \\When your tail's in a crack, you improvise fwbrown@bellsouth.net | if you're good enough. Otherwise you give | your pelt to the trapper.\\ \\e^(i*pi) = -1\\ -- Euler | -- John Myers Myers, \\ \\Silverlock\\ ==== Just some thought and comments... > > There is no reason, why 41-programs that make use of > the 4-level-stack won't work on an unlimited stack. > > Actually, there are several reasons. Here are a few that spring to mind: > > Many RPN programs made use of the automatic replication feature of the T > register (level 4, the Top level). Any such program would fail to run in \ \\ RPL, > which has no such feature. The program could of course be rewritten to > emulate level-T-replication, but it would not be trivial. In any case, \ \\ the > point is that it would fail to run as-is. This can be done using some local variable on the 48/49. As about trivial or non-trivial, I think that it can't be very complicated if one completely abandons the \\T-stack-replication-principle\\. > Also, the 4-level stack has a \\stack lift disable\\ feature that makes \ \\ keyboard > inputs overwrite the X register instead of raising X to Y like usual. \\ Once > again, RPL has no such feature, so RPN programs that depend on it would \ \\ have > to be rewritten in RPL. This particular task would be trivial (just \\ adding a > DROP, probably), but it must be done or the program will fail. I consider the behavior of the newer machines better in the sence that it is more generalized. There are no buts. Any command will remove its arguments from the stack and return results on the stack (if any). There are no commands that expect their arguments/parameters after them. A generalized behavior, fewer rules, fewer things to remember. In other words a simpler world. > The HP-41 can directly address the entire stack. For example, STO Z > as 3 UNPICK... but there's no simple equivalent in HP48 RPL. Without UNPICK we can do that using: << -> l << l ROLL DROP DUP l ROLLD >> where l is the number of the stack level where we want to \\store\\ the contents of stack level 1. I don't know if that can be called \\simple\\. > A particularly hairy HP-41 command that the PPC ROM made clever use of \\ (not > because it was necessary but because it's delightful to behold) is X<>L, \ \\ which > swaps the X register with the LASTx register. Not only does RPL have no \ \\ LASTx > (no, LASTARG is not the same as LASTx), It is not the same and LASTARG is better (for me) because from LASTARG you can get LASTx, while the opposite is not always possible. Anyway, LASTx can be done using vectored enter and some variable as storage place for the last level 1 argument. > but it has no \\swap level 1 with > variable FOO' feature either. Oh, come on now Joe! DUP RCL UNROT STO would do that. > Needless to say, RPN programs containing X<>L > (or any of its hairy kin) would not work in RPL without significant \\ recoding. Oh well, depends on what you call \\significant\\, but you are right saying that recoding is needed. Anyway, I just wonder if still treasuring the 41 (which I also do) perhaps has to do with... nostalgia...??? You know, in the sense: \\oh that beautiful times when I was young and full of enthousiasm for that fantastic technology and felt like Perry Rhodan...\\. Perhaps one should keep that enthousiastic thinking for ever and consider anything with that particular enthousiasm which was part of the considerations in those \\glorious days\\ of the 41? Perhaps.. Greetings, Nick Banner. ==== No existe la version FEM49v5.2 para la hp49g, Caspar esta haciendo el FEM49v5.3 pero aun no esta terminado, recien la estamos probando, en cuanto este lista se publicara ... Saludos desde Peru Oscar Fuentes Fuentes > HI! > > You can try on www.hpcalc.org or author's home page (click the (H) on \\ hpcalc > beside the author). But as far as I know from the home page, the FEM48 \\ 5.2 > is the same for both 48 and 49. But I'm not 100% sure:) Haven't tried \\ yet:) > > Hope I helped:) > > KORPi > > Did someone port FEM48 v5.2 to HP 49G? :) Please!!! P.S. I am student in VERY small and poor contry... :( ==== The FEM49v5.2 version does not exist for hp49g, Caspar this making the FEM49v5.3 but even not this finished, recien we are proving it, as soon as this list was published... Greetings from Ica-Peru Oscar Fuentes Fuentes > HI! > > You can try on www.hpcalc.org or author's home page (click the (H) on \\ hpcalc > beside the author). But as far as I know from the home page, the FEM48 \\ 5.2 > is the same for both 48 and 49. But I'm not 100% sure:) Haven't tried \\ yet:) > > Hope I helped:) > > KORPi > > Did someone port FEM48 v5.2 to HP 49G? :) Please!!! P.S. I am student in VERY small and poor contry... :( ==== > Did someone port FEM48 v5.2 to HP 49G? :) Please!!! We are in the process of beta-testing the FEM49 v5.3 version. When it is ok, I will release it on my homepage and hpcalc.org (including FEM48 v5.3). > P.S. I am student in VERY small and poor contry... :( Lucky for you I made FEM48/49 free then. \\C\\ ==== > I was hoping to use the flag 1-5 annunciators on the display as an \\ animated > \\progress\\ indicator. Each time a solution was found by the program, \ \\ the > current flag would be turned off and the next one turned on, with \\ wraparound > from 5 to 1. > > Well, the program does the right things with the flags but nothing is > displayed while the program runs. When the program ends, one of the > annunciators does come on, as expected, but a little too late to be \\ useful. > > Am I doing something wrong here? Is this possible? If not, is there \\ some > other simple way to show that the program is making progress? (I did \\ also > something that does not stop the program and thus require me to start it \ \\ up > again.) As should be apparent from your experience, the flag annunciators are only updated when the stack display is updated. If you want some indication of your program's progress, a fairly easy and efficient way to do it is to do 1 DISP every so often. -- Steve VanDevender \\I ride the big iron\\ \\ http://jcomm.uoregon.edu/~stevev Little things break, circuitry burns / Time flies while my little world \\ turns Every day comes, every day goes / 100 years and nobody shows -- Happy \\ Rhodes ==== > As should be apparent from your experience, the flag annunciators are > only updated when the stack display is updated. If you want some indication of your program's progress, a fairly easy > and efficient way to do it is to do 1 DISP every so often. - Michael -- Remove \\No Spam Please\\ from return address. ==== > > First reason is, I have already stated in the past that the shitty > \\freedom fighters\\ of the world, the usa government, will attack Irak > no matter what Irak does. > > USA leaders decided to attack Iraq because Iraq has had 12 years to > disarm and has not, and because Iraqi president Saddam is butchering his > own people. He puts civilians, women and children, around military > targets using them as human shields, just so he can show on TV the > innocent lives lots from US aggression. He murders his own countrymen, > his own family, and any who oppose him. He has ordered the burning and > sabbotage of oil fields, deliberately creating environmental > catastophies that we *all* must live with. He poisons the air and the > land, and subsequently his own people by doing this, just to save his > own hide. Is this the man that you defend? I understand that you (and > many) have a distaste for the USA, but does your hatred for the US maybe > impair your judgement? If this had not been a US-led initiative, would > your stance be different? Either you didn't pay attention, because I gave many examples of lands that are even worse, but the us doesn't bomb them, because their butchers are conform to the butchers of Washington, So they are gooooood butchers. So the cretins in the white house let them be and are goooood friends. Or you are a member of the us governmet and have to silently leave those examples outside your answer, because where would we land if everybody was allowed to get all facts and buil up an opinion that negates the us manners? Or you belong to the people who are always ready to take the us banners and go free some other country because it has a miletaristic regime, without realizing that the most militaristic inhuman stupid regime of the whole history is the usa. How many weapons does your country have? Isn't that enough to devastate the world? Look at the mirror before you demand from others to disarm. The war is again a war for power and oil. That's all. > Several months ago the UN passed Resolution 1441 unanimously, which > demanded \\..immediate disarmament of Iraq.. or face serious > consequences.\\ All members of the security council passed this > resolution months ago. None can argue that Iraq has complied with the > resolution, because they are using their weapons against coalition > forces as we speak. To US leadership, \\immediate disarmament\\ did not > mean months or years, it meant exactly what it said: \\immediate\\. Who is the us leadership to decide what resolutions mean? Are you god? I also talked about the resolutions that other lands never fulfilled but you just passed this by. This is an obvious method that the us government uses to make us blind. > Furthermore, when Iraq did not disarm immediately, the resolution all > members passed should have been carried out as promised. When it became > obvious to US leadership that certain members of the UN would not pass > any resolution by the US or UK, no matter what it said, they decided > that they would enforce 1441 with the coalition they had built. If the > UN did not uphold its promise of \\serious consequences\\, then the UN \\ has > already failed in the eyes of US leaders. Members of the UN who passed > 1441 months ago should have voted otherwise if they were not prepared to > make good on the threat. So basically what had happened was this: The > UN passed a resolution unanimously, Saddam basically gave the UN \\the > finger\\, then certain parties in the UN decided they didnt actually > *mean* \\serious consequences\\, that they instead meant \\disarm > immediately, or you'll be given more and more chances until you do\\. > Meanwhile, the Iraqi president was sitting back watching the UN bicker > and fight among themselves due to his clever manipulation. The best example for counting with two measures is exactly ther above paragraph. While lands conform to the usa are allowed to have any weapons they want, all the others must have water pistols. And as about the oh so very well armed Irak, we see that exactly now. We see how much weapons this land has. Irak is almost not able to defend itself against the aggressors. The whole time the us speaks about an armed Irak, based on paparlapap! THERE WAS AND STILL THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT IRAK HAS SO MANY WEAPONS. THE USA LIES!!! And you are trying to remove our attention to this fact! AND EVEN IF IRAK DOES HAVE THAT WEAPONS, IT IS GOOD TO HAVE THEM AS LONG AS THE \\GOOD GUYS\\ HAVE THEM ALSO. LOOK AT THE MIRROR BEFORE YOU ACCUSE OTHERS FOR POSSESSING WEAPONS. > Remember that it was not the responsibility of the UN to prove that > Saddam did or did not have the alleged weapons, it was up to Iraqi > leadership to prove that.. Use the same tactics to take my attention from the fact that nobody INCLUDING THE USA can prove that s/he doesn't possess something. Can the usa prove that they don't have such weapons? > and only now that conflict has begun has Iraq > proved anything about their weapons, which are being fired at coalition > troops right now. Pustekuchen!!! There have been fired 6 rockets none of which was b or c. *AND* did anybody think to demand from the usa to destroy the atomic weapons? No! Then take your demands home and leave us in peace! > The whole purpose of weapons inspections was to find > them *before* they are being used against us. While a bombs used afainst us are of course gooooood bombs, eh? > Perhaps if the UN could > have presented a \\united front\\ against the Iraqi president, with the > whole world standing on his doorstep calling him to give up his weapons, > then military conflict could have been avoided. Instead we allowed him > to turn the UN members against eachother, create rifts between allies, > and basically play the international community for fools. He didn't do that! The usa did that demanding the whole word to obey its dirty plans. The whole myth of alies is nowadays smoke of yesterday. There is no reason that we stay in that aliance anymore. > Don't blame the USA for what has happened. I do that and will continue doing that the rest of my life. Which, of course, could be very short considering the fact that the usa bombs anybody that say no. > The whole world was in > agreement that Iraq must disarm immediately or face serious > consequences. Another usa extrapolation to the rest of the world. THE USA IS NOT THE WORLD: AND IF WE TALK ABOUT DISARMAMENT, GO DISARM YOURSELF BEFORE DEMANDING FROM OTHERS TO DO SO. > If any members of the council had not intended to back up > their threat, they should have vetoed 1441 when they had the chance. > None can deny that Iraqi leadership was given ample time to comply with > the demands of the world and I suspect you will see (and most > unfortunately for coalition troops will see all too well) the evidence > that either Iraq has been hiding, or the inspectors failed to report. Oh no, the same old story again, in the mean time it is boring!!! Since decades everybody speaks about the hufe military power of Irak and what they find is some miserable old things that he managed to hide in his toilett! besides, and I ask you a thousend times if I have to, did anybody demand from the usa to disarm? Why should anybody else do that? Because the usa dictates that? > You might *practice* the diplomacy that you champion, instead of coming > here to an internationally diverse forum \\guns-a-blazin\\. You exhibit > the very same aggressiveness and \\hot-headedness\\ that you fault > President Bush for. With the small difference that my bombs are words quite contrary to the machinery of death that devastates yet another country. I am better! You tried miserably to take the attention from the important points which are: 1) The whole inspection story didn't prove anything but cold farts! The usa goes to war because one analphabet believes the ignorants named \\his consultants\\. 2) It is impossible to prove that you don't have something. This is mathematics! (But what do I expect from the guy who was \\missunderestimated\\?) Such things rely not on proof but on trust! 3) Even if Irak has that weapons, you and yopur country have a multiple multiple of that amount, so start destrying your arsenal. 4) There were/are much more terrible regimes that the usa doesn't bomb but supports. Don't talk to me about the goodness of your leaders, I don't believe you. 5) Irak is under attack in order for the usa to accomplish its dirty plans. 6) The \\replacement man\\ for Saddam, prepared from the usa, is the same sort of butcher, like that whome you \\philanthropists\\ want to remove. You didn't answer any of those points! You hide behind your paragraphs and vetos and resolutions. I wrap them in shit and throw them away. I am not interested in bullshit! Hulk (Ozzy), because it perfectly describes politics nowadays! THEY COULDN'T SEE WHAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE SO OBVIOUS THEY HIDE BEHIND THE LAWS THEY MAKE FOR ALL OF US. THE MINISTRY OF TRUTH AT DEALS WITH PRETENSE THE MINISTRY OF PEACE THAT SITS ON DEFENSE I'M WASHING MY HANDS OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYIN' TO DO I'M BREAKING THE RULES AND ITS FOR ME AND FOR YOU. I'M JUST A ROCK 'N' ROLL REBEL I'LL TELL YOU NO LIES THEY THINK I WORKSHIP THE DEVIL THEY ONLY SEE THROUGH HIS EYES I'M JUST A ROCK 'N' ROLL REBEL. THEY LIVE THEIR LIVES IN FEAR AND INSECURITY AND ALL YOU DO IS PAY FOR THEIR PROSPERITY THE MINISTRY OF FEAR THAT WON'T LET YOU LIVE THE MINISTRY OF GRACE THAT DOESN'T FORGIVE DO WHAT YOU WILL TO TRY AND MAKE ME CONFORM BUT I'LL MAKE YOU WISH THAT YOU HAD NEVER BEEN BORN CAUSE I'M A ROCK 'N' ROLL REBEL I'LL DO AS I PLEASE I'M A ROCK 'N' ROLL REBEL I'M A FREE AS THE BREEZE I'M A JUST ROCK 'N' ROLL REBEL THEY'LL TRY PLAYIN WITH YOUR HEART THEY KNOW IT RULES YOUR HEAD THEY ONLY FEEL WHAT BIGOTRY FEELS THEY WON'T FOOL ME AGAIN GOD ONLY KNOWS WHY THEY COULDN'T SEE THAT OBVIOUS IS IT BECAUSE THEY MANIFEST THE INCUBUS THE MINISTRY OF WAR THAT GOT CAUGHT IN THE DRAUGHT THE MINISTRY OF JOY THAT STILL HASN'T LAUGHED WHEN ITS ALL BOILD DOWN AND THE DAYS AT THE END I'LL GIVE YOU NO BULLSHIT AND I'LL NEVER PRETEND CAUSE I'M A ROCK 'N' ROLL REBEL I'LL TELL YOU NO LIES THEY SAY I WORKSHIP THE DEVIL WHY DON'T THEY OPEN THEIR EYES by Ozzy Osbourne To be continued! HULK ==== > **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** > Off topic ????? > There should be a group for that. FIND IT !!! Here we talk about > CALCULATORS !!!!! > Am I wrong ? According to the title of the group, you are right. But! Is there anything at all nowadays, not connected to politics? X We can use the calculators to count votes in Florida... (-; ==== I'd like to enter a complex number in the polar form: (3*sqrt(2), angle_81.1 degrees) How can I easily do this? I can use ALPHA + RIGHTSHIFT + 6 81.1 to enter the second argument, but HP49 won't let me enter the first. -- Titus Barik (barik@ieee.org) ==== An error ocured during the move data process: -113 Component: Example Files File Group: Example Files File: c:\\\\MYDOCU~1\\\\HP49~1\\\\DEBUG~1\\\\Examples\\\\Simp\\\\Simp.HPP I don't know how helpful this is, but it might show what the computer was thinking about. I'll probably try it on my wife's computer and see what that does. looking forward to using it! I'm just learning how to program my \\ calculator, and I've read that Debug4x is an excellent tool for that. I've also found \ \\ a 600 some odd page document (from hpcalc.org) about SysRPL programming. It \ \\ said that I need to be careful because I could crash my calculator if I make a mistake. This motivated me to get some programming tools and an emulator, \ \\ that way if I mess something up, I just crash my PC instead of something \\ important (like my calculator). --CS ==== First of all, this is VERY of topic no matter how you put it. It has \\ nothing to do with calculators and news groups for political debates do exist. > First reason is, I have already stated in the past that the shitty > \\freedom fighters\\ of the world, the usa government, will attack Irak > no matter what Irak does. This just happened! Of course it did. Do you want to live a year in Iraq, and then report back how it felt like? A friend of mine is a news reporter - he's currently locked inside Kuwait and was in Iraq yesterday. He sat-phoned me this morning to say he was alright, and in this conversation he told me that civilians in Iraq are putting up defences towards Saddam Hussein! How many Kurdish and other Iraqi civilians should Hussein slaughter, rape or merely mutilate in your opinion? If Saddam got his way, he and his sons would rule all of the Middle East by now. The last 15 years he has laughed in our faces - this includes yours! > The biggest dictatorship > of the world, accuses lands which look like amateurs in comparison to > it. You are very anti-American in your attidtude. This definetely have no place in this debate. Keep it sober please. [...ramblings about bombs...] > In Greece we have thousands such buildings, would Saddam has fired six missiles into Kuwait today. None of which were Al-Samoud missiles - hence Iraq have other missiles than Al-Samoud. They also have radio-controlled planes and Al-Husayn missiles. I suspect Scuds too. None of this they told the inspectors. Why do you suppose Saddam Hussein were put under military control? Why the demilitarized zones? He's a villain and spits at us. > you please send some troups to bomb us? The amount of b and c > weapons of Irak is extremely low taken for itself, How do you know? > lower compared to the destruction potential of the usa. What about North Korea? > Even if this isn't true and the usa > has no b and c weapons, I just don't see any difference between > dying from an a bomb, from a b or from a c bomb. The Geneva convention might not agree there. > So, accepting your own politics, should I say: \\USA, you either > destroy your mass destruction weapon within a month, or the world > will bomb you!\\. What do you think? I think that if USA was responsible for massive genocide for the last 15 > Israel > has ignored uno resolutions since decades, but the usa never > mentioned any plans to attack that country. Have you? Israel has been shielded from these accusations not only by the USA, but by the entire western world. This means your contry and my own \\ too! I agree that Israel should be taken care of but I do not have the answer to how. The same goes for China, North Korea, Pakistan and a couple of other countries in varying degrees. The problem is that everybody complains but noone presents a solution. I say that if you can't provide a better solution - don't complain. This goes in many cases including this one. > b) The whole theatre of inspections was only for the eyes of the > world, a comedy perfectly put in scene by the politicians of the > white house. I know for a fact that it wasn't. I'm not able to prove it to you in any way, so you can ignore it. > If the attack > would happen, regardless non-existing evidence and regardless > what the uno says, what are you, usa, doing at the uno? The ones really destroying UNs reputation this time was France and Germany. What do you suppose a veto before the French knew what they were vetoing to means? That's a spanner into the works for you. > He > wants to remove Hussein, and put just another dictator to his place. Where do you have this from? > IRAK IS NOT THE END. AFTER IRAK THE SAME US IMPERIAL POLITICS WILL BE > CONTINUED. NEXT ONE COMES PAKISTAN OR IRAN. I actually hope so. I don'l like very much living under the threat of someone dropping a nuclear bomb in my backyard. This threat is real from Pakistan, but not from the USA. > 2) Not accepting the international criminal court Please explain? > 3) Not accepting the Kyoto Protocoll Nobody did, really. As of 23rd of may 2002, Greece was actaully the only member state of the EU that had not even submitted the Kyoto Protocol to \\ its parliament! Under the protocol Greece was allowed a maximum 25% increase in its 1990 levels of greenhouse gases by 2010 - these emissions had already increased 23.4% by 2000. How do you think Greece wil cope with this in \\ 2010? I think like everybody else in the world - by buying unused quotas from third-world countries. The USA merely admitted it too costly, but was prepared for some sort of action to be taken. Greece isn't much different from USA in this respect. > and you tell me that the usa wants to disarm a threatening country! Do you find USA threatening? > Those who pretend to love and promote freedom were the same > who ordered espionage of our offices in Germany, France and > some other countries. (ECHELON you know??) Do you have proof? > The freedom warriors violenced all rules. They flew in turkish > territory *BEFORE ANY AGREEMENT FROM THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT*! How do you know? Before any official agreement maybe, but now Turkey threatens to invade Iraq - what a coincidence. Don't you think any negotiations go on that you do not hear about? > The freedom warriors ordered a greek plane that was patrolling > inside greek air territory to return to its base or else it > would be shot! Which plane was that? If USA is given access to Greek airspace, that airspace is closed to civilian traffic. It's as simple as that. Maybe you should educate better pilots? Turn to your Greek government for an explanation! > I wish, > I really wish I had means to pay that back to you, yunkees! You're getting really scary, you know that, Nick? I think you should moderate you language and especially your damnation of all Americans. Nazis? Cowboys? Get real, Nick. Right at this moment I'm actually pretty embarrassed to live in the EU with you. ==== **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** Off topic ????? There should be a group for that. FIND IT !!! Here we talk about CALCULATORS !!!!! Am I wrong ? Bye. \\Nick Karagiaouroglou\\ escribi\\.97 en el \ mensaje > The decision to post this after my long silence about such things has > two reasons. First reason is, I have already stated in the past that the shitty > \\freedom fighters\\ of the world, the usa government, will attack Irak > no matter what Irak does. This just happened! The second reason is > that particular naive people, who still believe that the usa is doing > this for \\philanthropy\\ and \\humanity\\. Ha! The biggest dictatorship > of the world, accuses lands which look like amateurs in comparison to > it. Bush, perhaps because of his complex (\\they misunderestimated me\\, > what a clown!), had to do something to show us what a strong guy he > is. Braaavo Bush! Do you have anything else to show us? The whole story, uncluding inspections, until now have proven two > things: a) Sucking hot air about b and c weapons of Irak. The so called > evidence was more a bad excuse for \\if we suppose that Irak > has the weapons, then we must be right.\\ The presented videos > just show some guys working with barrels, some of them have > masks, while a couple of steps away some other guys just take > a walk happily in the middle of a so called c weapons industry. > Oh yes, we also saw some old abandoned buildings which of course > have to be b weapons production centers, just because the usa > wants it so. In Greece we have thousands such buildings, would > you please send some troups to bomb us? The amount of b and c > weapons of Irak is extremely low taken for itself, and even > lower compared to the destruction potential of the usa. Has > anybody ever thought, to demand from the usa to destroy their > weaponry, or else take the risk to be bombed? In the past I have > received letters telling me that the usa has absolutely no > b weapons and that the inspectors do control everything. > And I should believe that the land where these things were > first developed, has no usage for them? Ha! Not only the usa > has such weapons but the investigations for making them \\better\\ > run at the highest levels. Even if this isn't true and the usa > has no b and c weapons, I just don't see any difference between > dying from an a bomb, from a b or from a c bomb. The destruction > potential, be it of any kind, has nowhere/never reached the > degree of the usa weaponry. *This* is one of the reasons why > the usa feels, it is the cop of the universe. I'll stay at this > point for a while and do exactly the same like what the usa > did with Irak. I accuse the usa for possessing non-allowed > weapons. Most of the usa people out there are upset and either > tell me to go to hell, or keep on arguing that this isn't true. > I continue the same tune, \\you do possess such weapons\\. And > they continue the same excuses. You see what happens here? > You for yourself, usa, behave like the Irak government and just > tell > me that you don't have such weapons, while you are *NOT ABLE > TO PROVE THAT YOU DON'T POSSESS SUCH B AND C WEAPONRY*. If it > isn't obvious to you, then consider that it is mathematically > impossible to prove that you *don't* possess something. But > exactly > this is what your clown of a president demands from the Irak. > So, accepting your own politics, should I say: \\USA, you either > destroy your mass destruction weapon within a month, or the world > will bomb you!\\. What do you think? Do you find that funny? > I also received letters, telling me that the usa might have so > much military power but it isn't a dictatorship and it wants > freedom for everybody. Well, I'll tell you what I think. When > I see that there are even worse dictatorships on this world, > which the usa doesn't even talk about (China for example), I > realize how much the usa wants freedom for everybody. Israel > has ignored uno resolutions since decades, but the usa never > mentioned any plans to attack that country. If a dictatorship > dances to your song, then you smile and let it be. If a > dictatorship does things against your interests, you wipe > it out. THIS IS YOUR REAL ATTITUDE COWARDS OF THE WHITE HOUSE!! > You don't even think about droping a single bullet over Peking, > because you shit in your pants when you think about what the > chinese answer could be! Exactly what you did in the past, > when you only heard the two words: \\Red Army\\! Where were your > interest for human rights when the massacres in Tibet took > place? When the genocides in Armenia and Curdistan took place? > When the greek citizens were tortured to death from the > dictatorship that you brought to power supported for years? > You don't want freedom for the nations, pretenders and betrayers, > you want everybody to obey your rules, that's all! Or else, you > would have attacked the USSR exactly like you attack Irak now. > But, ha! The USSR would presumably dustify you, and cowards > never attack when they know that they will lose! b) The whole theatre of inspections was only for the eyes of the > world, a comedy perfectly put in scene by the politicians of the > white house. If the usa would attack one the way or the other, > what was the use of the whole shitty comedy? Why did your > president even participated the uno discussions? If the attack > would happen, regardless non-existing evidence and regardless > what the uno says, what are you, usa, doing at the uno? You could > just pack it up and go, there's no reason to be there if you > discuss only when others accept what you say. George W. Bush has started his war. Bravo again! What an achievement! > He > wants to remove Hussein, and put just another dictator to his place. > But a \\good\\ dictator this time, a guy which will co-operate to secure > the oil interests of the usa in Irak. The same general against whom > the accusations exist, that he ordered the usage of c weapons in the > past! The betrayers and cretins of the white house show their real > faces > here. This was the second part of my first prediction, which stated > that the > dictatorship will not be removed. We will have a Hussein under a > different > name, that's all. Now I make another prediction, which you, usa-friendly guys out there, > will also ignore just as you ignored the first, pretending that nobody > has told that and covering this unfair story in silence: IRAK IS NOT THE END. AFTER IRAK THE SAME US IMPERIAL POLITICS WILL BE > CONTINUED. NEXT ONE COMES PAKISTAN OR IRAN. THE WHOLE WORLD IS WHAT > THE USA WANTS. YOU ARE THE DARK SIDE OF POWER. must not > be anything else besides America. Alone the usage of the name > \\America\\ > for what should be called usa, is in its essence the result of the > arrogance > of those who consider the 300 (or was it 400?) years of \\history\\ of > this > land as the only existing \\culture\\. (Let it be said here: usa is NOT > America. > America is a whole continent with too many other lands and cultures, > which the > brain of your miserable president isn't able to grasp.) The total ignorance of non-usa interests and the egoistic behavior is > obvious: 1) Disprove any decision that banns atomic bomb tests > 2) Not accepting the international criminal court > 3) Not accepting the Kyoto Protocoll > 4) DENYING TO ACCEPT THE B WEAPONS CONVENTIONS - Now, what an irony, > and you tell me that the usa wants to disarm a threatening country! Should I continue? I think the above, especially point four > is enough to make the usa government turn red in shame. If it isn't, > then the usa government consists of people, whose capability to > tell right from wrong has been blasted out of theit heads. At the same time those weaker lands that don't want to obey the > criminal commands of the us, are targets for boycotting. The usa > put anybody under pressure that dares say \\no\\. What a love for > freedom they demonstrate here, really admirable! Even in your own dictatoric country, citizens of the usa, the > tactics of covering critics is now active! Even the Dixie > Chicks were wiped out of the lists of radio stations after > they expressed their dislike for what Bush started. What a > manifestation of democracy! People like Clooney or Hoffman or Newman are impossible to > hide of course, but for the time being anything possible is > done, to prevent them from protesting in public! The \\land of the free\\ is in reality the land of the slaves! > As long as what you want is what the us government wants, you > are allowed to be free. This is the freedom of a prisoner, who > can go where (s)he wants *INSIDE HIS PRISON*! The pluralism of opinions in the media in the usa was replaced > pretty fast by the uni-sono hymnes to the freedom loving land, > which is the biggest threat in our world since nazi germany. > Actually the us is even worse, because it *does* have the potential > to destroy the whole world. Those who pretend to love and promote freedom were the same > who ordered espionage of our offices in Germany, France and > some other countries. (ECHELON you know??) The freedom warriors violenced all rules. They flew in turkish > territory *BEFORE ANY AGREEMENT FROM THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT*! > You aleays take what you want, don't you??? The freedom warriors ordered a greek plane that was patrolling > inside greek air territory to return to its base or else it > would be shot! Over my country you give me commands? Is that > your definition of freedom? Remove everybody who stands on > your way? Even if the way is not in your territory? I wish, > I really wish I had means to pay that back to you, yunkees! When the cold war stopped I had the miserable feeling which > I couldn't explain. Now I know what it was. At least at that > times there was a power which could show you the stop sign. > Only the name USSR was enough to give you one month's nightmares. > Now, unfortunately, that power doesn't exist. So, usa, you > take the right to decide for the whole world, just because > you have the power. And this is one of the main differences > to Europe. In Europe we believe in the power of right. You, > usa, believe in the right of power. Usa government, cowboys > you were born, and cowboys you will die. You will make no > progress until someone else gets even more powerful and blast > you out of your offices, out of the uno, out of the world! > Another way you don't understand. Oh no, this time there will be no remorse! I will NOT apologize > for protesting against the usa tyranny. I'll keep HULKing > anybody who still has the face to answer this, saying that > the usa is right! AND I'll keep posting to this group > each and every case of the usa ignoring international > right. You got me green, now run for cover! Blasting the columns of truth to everybody! > Until you bomb me to keep me silent! > Nick Banner, alias the HULK! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! *** http://www.usenet.com Unlimited Download - 19 Seperate Servers - 90,000 groups - Uncensored -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ==== > I wish, I really wish I had means to pay that back to you, yunkees! > Oh no, this time there will be no remorse! I will NOT apologize > for protesting against the usa tyranny. I'll keep HULKing > anybody who still has the face to answer this, saying that > the usa is right! AND I'll keep posting to this group > each and every case of the usa ignoring international > right. You got me green, now run for cover! > This is a great idea Nick! I think you should post this to 20000 other groups too. There is an enormous potential for savings here. Just imagine what could be done with all the cpu-cycles wasted today to keep track of concentrated to one big pile of heated, ahem, discussion on current geopolitical events. We who are neither \\Yunkees\\, nor interested in the not-so-balanced arguments of the debate just have to go somewhere else, I guess. > Blasting the columns of truth to everybody! > Until you bomb me to keep me silent! I honestly don't think that the US military policy-makers finds that your propaganda will have enough impact on the world to motivate allocation of US tax-dollars to drop a bomb on you... /Jesper - where did I put that Xnews scoring documentation? ==== > > First of all, this is VERY of topic no matter how you put it. It has \\ nothing > to do with calculators and news groups for political debates do exist. In completelly disagreement I have to say that there is nothing in this world that can be taken apart from such events. Where do the calcs come from? What economy creates them? How is does this economy work? I do see deep relations. > First reason is, I have already stated in the past that the shitty > \\freedom fighters\\ of the world, the usa government, will attack Irak > no matter what Irak does. This just happened! > > Of course it did. Do you want to live a year in Iraq, and then report \\ back > how it felt like? A friend of mine is a news reporter - he's currently > locked inside Kuwait and was in Iraq yesterday. He sat-phoned me this > morning to say he was alright, and in this conversation he told me that > civilians in Iraq are putting up defences towards Saddam Hussein! How \\ many > Kurdish and other Iraqi civilians should Hussein slaughter, rape or \\ merely > mutilate in your opinion? If Saddam got his way, he and his sons would \\ rule > all of the Middle East by now. The last 15 years he has laughed in our > faces - this includes yours! And if my grandmother had wheels she would be a bycicle. But this is not the point! If we ask ourselves what life would be like in Irak, the next question is: Do you really believe that the usa government gives a tired penny about the life of people in Irak? If so, why does it completely ignore lands with even worst conditions of living? Because the are conform? > The biggest dictatorship > of the world, accuses lands which look like amateurs in comparison to > it. > > You are very anti-American in your attidtude. This definetely have no \\ place > in this debate. Keep it sober please. No, I am very anti-american-government! And this does have a very good place in the dabate. As about keeping it sober, why should I? Does it really matter to you, when at the same time some bomb hits somebody in Bagdad? > [...ramblings about bombs...] > In Greece we have thousands such buildings, would > > Saddam has fired six missiles into Kuwait today. None of which were > Al-Samoud missiles - hence Iraq have other missiles than Al-Samoud. They > also have radio-controlled planes and Al-Husayn missiles. I suspect Scuds > too. None of this they told the inspectors. Why do you suppose Saddam > Hussein were put under military control? Why the demilitarized zones? Why should they tell? Because the us demands it? How often did the us told us what secret weapons the have? > He's a villain and spits at us. Exactly the way Bush does! If I were he, I would presumably do the same. > you please send some troups to bomb us? The amount of b and c > weapons of Irak is extremely low taken for itself, > > How do you know? Because after so many years there is not a single real evidence for it. Each time there are \\buts\\ and \\might bes\\, but no evidence. > lower compared to the destruction potential of the usa. > > What about North Korea? Another example of a land that is presumably \\better\\ armed but is not under attack. (The chinese friends would be angry, and then god help us.) And if we speak about weapons, when is going the us to disarm itself? > Even if this isn't true and the usa > has no b and c weapons, I just don't see any difference between > dying from an a bomb, from a b or from a c bomb. > > The Geneva convention might not agree there. The Geneva convention will not return me from the death, be it because of radio activity or virus. > So, accepting your own politics, should I say: \\USA, you either > destroy your mass destruction weapon within a month, or the world > will bomb you!\\. What do you think? > > I think that if USA was responsible for massive genocide for the last 15 Oh, isn't it? Who is that land that hunts the armenians and the curds? Isn't it a \\friend\\ of the usa? Is \\indirect\\ genocide not so important in your eyes? And the whole industry espionage project in > Israel > has ignored uno resolutions since decades, but the usa never > mentioned any plans to attack that country. > > Have you? Israel has been shielded from these accusations not only by the > USA, but by the entire western world. This means your contry and my own \ \\ too! Yes! Exactly! Did I gave the impression that I consider the \\rest\\ of the western world to be any better? If so, I just use this opportunity for correction. > I agree that Israel should be taken care of but I do not have the answer \ \\ to > how. be more human than the other tyrants? > The same goes for China, North Korea, Pakistan and a couple of other > countries in varying degrees. The problem is that everybody complains but > noone presents a solution. I say that if you can't provide a better > solution - don't complain. This goes in many cases including this one. And I say, whenever you see an error, do complain. Shit remains shit, whether you have means to remove it or not. > b) The whole theatre of inspections was only for the eyes of the > world, a comedy perfectly put in scene by the politicians of the > white house. > > I know for a fact that it wasn't. I'm not able to prove it to you in any > way, so you can ignore it. usa does? Why? If some evidence exists, put it in the table so we can all see clear like you do. Why do you take that chance from us? > If the attack > would happen, regardless non-existing evidence and regardless > what the uno says, what are you, usa, doing at the uno? > > The ones really destroying UNs reputation this time was France and \\ Germany. > What do you suppose a veto before the French knew what they were vetoing \ \\ to > means? That's a spanner into the works for you. It means that they expected what really happened. But for me the reason for being very upset about France, is that nobody spoke about the french interests in Irak. Five years ago the same politician carried out atomic tests and now he is a pacifist! (As you can see, I can see what is happening here. Don't worry I am not blind.) And the same Fisher who declares the murdering of whole villages by germans in Greece to be \\self defense\\, haha, self defense, appears as an angel in the uno. BUT! Even knowing all this, is not enough to remove my attention from the fact that Hussein has to be removed for solidifying usa's power in the region. And this is disgusting! > He > wants to remove Hussein, and put just another dictator to his place. > > Where do you have this from? > 2) Not accepting the international criminal court > > Please explain? the world but heroes for the usa? It is not so long ago! > 3) Not accepting the Kyoto Protocoll > > Nobody did, really. As of 23rd of may 2002, Greece was actaully the only > member state of the EU that had not even submitted the Kyoto Protocol to \ \\ its > parliament! Under the protocol Greece was allowed a maximum 25% increase \ \\ in > its 1990 levels of greenhouse gases by 2010 - these emissions had already > increased 23.4% by 2000. How do you think Greece wil cope with this in \\ 2010? Why do you think that I think Greece is any better? This is not the point! The point is that Greece doesn't pretend to be the protector of the world, which the usa does (by bombing). And so, I have to mention these facts. > I think like everybody else in the world - by buying unused quotas from > third-world countries. The USA merely admitted it too costly, but was > prepared for some sort of action to be taken. Greece isn't much different > from USA in this respect. It is in fact worse, but as said doesn't play the holy! > and you tell me that the usa wants to disarm a threatening country! > > Do you find USA threatening? I'll speak for a moment as an Arab, and say \\yes\\. To my views they are. Is the opinion of the Arab-Nick less worthy than the opinion of the Greek-Nick? Would you ignore it if I were an Arab? > Those who pretend to love and promote freedom were the same > who ordered espionage of our offices in Germany, France and > some other countries. (ECHELON you know??) > > Do you have proof? Do you have a proof for the b.c weapons of Irak? > The freedom warriors violenced all rules. They flew in turkish > territory *BEFORE ANY AGREEMENT FROM THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT*! > > How do you know? Before any official agreement maybe, but now Turkey > threatens to invade Iraq - what a coincidence. Don't you think any > negotiations go on that you do not hear about? Perhaps! BUT the important thing is, as you said: \\Before any official agreement\\. > The freedom warriors ordered a greek plane that was patrolling > inside greek air territory to return to its base or else it > would be shot! > > Which plane was that? If USA is given access to Greek airspace, that > airspace is closed to civilian traffic. It's as simple as that. Maybe you > should educate better pilots? Turn to your Greek government for an > explanation! It was plane of the US air force (air force, that I don't lough!) The greek airforce was instructed to keep patrolling for eventual terrorist ships that could damage the us carrier. So my compadres did patrol. But! They were told that the usa that the would be informed *EXACTLY WHEN AND WHERE* the carrier would pass greek territory. But the so goooooooood usa didn't inform anybody. The greek pilot had to spots on the radar of the plane (presumably 30 years old). When he approached to see what was happening, the masters of the world started 2 hornets and ordered him, more or less, to get to the hell out of territory. The explanations were given by the greek government, and what explanations they were! But unfortunately since Greece is so small nobody really gives a damn. But! For one thing you are absolutely right! They should eductae better pilots. If someone ordered me over my own country to turn back without telling me what is going on, I would presumably play Kamikazi! > I wish, > I really wish I had means to pay that back to you, yunkees! > > You're getting really scary, you know that, Nick? I am not scary, I just want to see how a us soldier would react, if I had the means to behave in his country like he behaves in mine. But he (the usa pilot) is not the real responsible. The head of the monster controls the arms. So it is my most inner wish, to go sometime and shit in the garden in front of the white house, just because I have some armed people around me that are able to enforce my will. What would Bush than say? How would the citizens feel? And wouldn't they have the right to be angry? Just as I am? > I think you should moderate you language and especially your damnation of > all Americans. Nazis? Cowboys? Get real, Nick. Right at this moment I'm > actually pretty embarrassed to live in the EU with you. What are you saying to me? I have tried to focus as good as possible on the usa **politicians* and especially the cowboy-Bush and the other cowboys around him. And if I accuse and hate the usa politicians, does this mean to you that I do the same for all usa citizens? And you say to me to get real??????? Anyway, if you are embarrassed, don't worry! I don't live in the EU! Or do you concider any land on Europe to be automatically in the EU? Is that the influence of the usa government? Anyway, if I have such a bad luck to finally get in the EU, I promise to move to the Patagonia, or somewhere else. But even from there I won't lower my voice against suppression and betray. If we want freedom, then freedom for all. Not only for those who have the power. Hulk ==== > Fuck off you stupid piece of shit!!! Why? Are you a voyeur? Unfortunately I don't have the same powerful \\long range weapon\\ like the usa does, so it just doesn't \\rich the target\\. So perhaps it would be better if you do a demonstration for me. What? You can't? Don't you tell me that you \\disarm\\.... \\Low powered\\ HULK ==== > **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** > > Off topic ????? > > There should be a group for that. FIND IT !!! Here we talk about > CALCULATORS !!!!! > > Am I wrong ? According to the title of the group, you are right. But! Is there anything at all nowadays, not connected to politics? Find me that and I stop. If you can't find it, can we then still say that politics is off topic anywhere at all? I suspect not. Besides, at the moment in which we know that thousands will be directly or indirectly hit by the monster called war, can we really just sit here and discuss about our calculators only? Are we completely insensitive for other people's pain? Are we? Didn't we, the same people, express our sympathy for the victims and for the relatives and friends of the victims of the terrorist attacks on that black day? Are those Arabs now less victims, down there in that ancient land? NOT(HULK) ==== > **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** Off topic ????? There should be a group for that. FIND IT !!! Here we talk about > CALCULATORS !!!!! Am I wrong ? Bye. Leon! Why to quote *ALL* the OT?? Please... ==== >The decision to post this after my long silence about such things has >two reasons. Since most of your on-post topics in this forum in the past have been well thought out, I have to assume you have some sense of reason. You HAVE NOT displayed it during this post. First reason is, I have already stated in the past that the shitty >\\freedom fighters\\ of the world, the usa government, will attack Irak >no matter what Irak does. Great, you are name calling in only the second sentence of your diatribe. Well, since I happen to take it personally, I'll respond. You're a whining little worm. You are the worst kind of sniveling wrong-headed idealogue with little courage to take action but apparently lots of time and courage to mouth off. >This just happened! The second reason is >that particular naive people, who still believe that the usa is doing >this for \\philanthropy\\ and \\humanity\\. Ha! The biggest dictatorship >of the world, accuses lands which look like amateurs in comparison to >it. Bush, perhaps because of his complex (\\they misunderestimated me\\, >what a clown!), had to do something to show us what a strong guy he >is. Braaavo Bush! Do you have anything else to show us? Yes, that we are just one nation among a few in the world with the will, and ability to face this challenge. And by the way, your world too will be a safer place because of it. But we've been saying this all along so if you haven't got it by now, you probably never will. You really do need to get a dictionary and learn the definition of the word \\dictatorship\\. The whole story, uncluding inspections, until now have proven two >things: a) Sucking hot air about b and c weapons of Irak. The so called > evidence was more a bad excuse for \\if we suppose that Irak > has the weapons, then we must be right.\\ The presented videos > just show some guys working with barrels, some of them have > masks, while a couple of steps away some other guys just take > a walk happily in the middle of a so called c weapons industry. > Oh yes, we also saw some old abandoned buildings which of course > have to be b weapons production centers, just because the usa > wants it so. In Greece we have thousands such buildings, would > you please send some troups to bomb us? If we as a nation are as bad as you are making us out to be, we probably would have already. The fact is, we have not, and would not. You choose to believe Sadam does not have WOMD; we have significantly more intelligence assets that you do, and believe he does. It is the COMBINATION of possessing these weapons and a demonstrated propensity to use them in a reckless way that makes a Sadam-led Iraq such a threat. Is that really so hard for you to understand? > The amount of b and c > weapons of Irak is extremely low taken for itself, and even > lower compared to the destruction potential of the usa. How low is low? Is it low enough that you'd be willing to chance having a few liters of anthrax released in your hometown? If you're so foolish to make this gamble, don't expect the rest of the world to as well. We here in the USA as a matter of fact will not. Not any more. Not after the attacks of 911. I am not trying to tie this operation to the 911 attack any more that it has been in the past. I am saying we view the world through fundamentally different glasses now. > Has > anybody ever thought, to demand from the usa to destroy their > weaponry, or else take the risk to be bombed? In the past I have > received letters telling me that the usa has absolutely no > b weapons and that the inspectors do control everything. > And I should believe that the land where these things were > first developed, has no usage for them? Ha! Not only the usa > has such weapons but the investigations for making them \\better\\ > run at the highest levels. Even if this isn't true and the usa > has no b and c weapons, I just don't see any difference between > dying from an a bomb, from a b or from a c bomb. The destruction > potential, be it of any kind, has nowhere/never reached the > degree of the usa weaponry. *This* is one of the reasons why > the usa feels, it is the cop of the universe. I'll stay at this > point for a while and do exactly the same like what the usa > did with Irak. I accuse the usa for possessing non-allowed > weapons. And you seriously feel threatened by this? Seek professional therapy. Our nations share close ties(political and military); and I'd venture to say Greece as well as the cause of freedom world wide has benefitted form our \\playing cop\\. Either way, we don't really care if you would rather us not play cop. We undertake this operation for OUR protection. And you will have a safer world in which to snivel and feel perpetually angry at us. > Most of the usa people out there are upset and either > tell me to go to hell, or keep on arguing that this isn't true. > I continue the same tune, \\you do possess such weapons\\. And > they continue the same excuses. You see what happens here? > You for yourself, usa, behave like the Irak government and just >tell > me that you don't have such weapons, while you are *NOT ABLE > TO PROVE THAT YOU DON'T POSSESS SUCH B AND C WEAPONRY*. If it > isn't obvious to you, then consider that it is mathematically > impossible to prove that you *don't* possess something. But >exactly > this is what your clown of a president demands from the Irak. You are a little man. Are you incapable of intelligently making your point about our president without resorting to calling him a clown? Its clear that you are intellectually unable to put your rambling incoherent thoughts into any kind of cogent order. Militarily, we probably have the power to put the earth into a perpetual nuclear winter. These weapons are the by-product of a cold war which, you should be glad to know, we won. Its one of the reasons you and I are not talking in Russian.To even the most mentally challenged student of history, it should be clear that we have responsibly used this awesome power. To the vast majority of the world, it is understood that we continue to. Don't you see, it is not an issue of just posession of the weapons. It becomes a case for preemption when an irresponsible party attempts to gain control of weapons so powerful that tens of thousands can fall victim to a single application. > So, accepting your own politics, should I say: \\USA, you either > destroy your mass destruction weapon within a month, or the world > will bomb you!\\. What do you think? Do you find that funny? > I also received letters, telling me that the usa might have so > much military power but it isn't a dictatorship and it wants > freedom for everybody. Well, I'll tell you what I think. When > I see that there are even worse dictatorships on this world, > which the usa doesn't even talk about (China for example), I > realize how much the usa wants freedom for everybody. What are you doing about it? And what makes you think China is a \\worse\\ dictatorship than Iraq? > Israel > has ignored uno resolutions since decades, but the usa never > mentioned any plans to attack that country. If a dictatorship > dances to your song, then you smile and let it be. If a > dictatorship does things against your interests, you wipe > it out. THIS IS YOUR REAL ATTITUDE COWARDS OF THE WHITE HOUSE!! Israel is not a dictatorship either. Are you really this stupid? > You don't even think about droping a single bullet over Peking, > because you shit in your pants when you think about what the > chinese answer could be! Exactly what you did in the past, > when you only heard the two words: \\Red Army\\! Where were your > interest for human rights when the massacres in Tibet took > place? When the genocides in Armenia and Curdistan took place? > When the greek citizens were tortured to death from the > dictatorship that you brought to power supported for years? I thought you didn't want us to play the \\cop of the universe\\? It is easy to question our courage by saying we'd be shitting in our pants over the internet, isn't it? I'm guessing it'd be you with the shit is his pants if you tried to say this to just about any person in this nation's military. But you are in your safe little snivel cyber-land where talk is cheap and the world is a better, safer and mostly free place because of the US. > You don't want freedom for the nations, pretenders and betrayers, > you want everybody to obey your rules, that's all! Or else, you > would have attacked the USSR exactly like you attack Irak now. > But, ha! The USSR would presumably dustify you, and cowards > never attack when they know that they will lose! Except verbally over the internet where every delusional whacko like you can malign at will with no fear of the truth or physical retribution. > > b) The whole theatre of inspections was only for the eyes of the > world, a comedy perfectly put in scene by the politicians of the > white house. If the usa would attack one the way or the other, > what was the use of the whole shitty comedy? Why did your > president even participated the uno discussions? If the attack > would happen, regardless non-existing evidence and regardless > what the uno says, what are you, usa, doing at the uno? You could > just pack it up and go, there's no reason to be there if you > discuss only when others accept what you say. Maybe we should. Except, wait, the UN is here..we can't leave. And, we pay the bills too! Are you volunteering to host and pay for this bureaucratic, ineffectual organization in your country? George W. Bush has started his war. Bravo again! What an achievement! >He >wants to remove Hussein, and put just another dictator to his place. >But a \\good\\ dictator this time, a guy which will co-operate to secure >the oil interests of the usa in Irak. The same general against whom >the accusations exist, that he ordered the usage of c weapons in the >past! The betrayers and cretins of the white house show their real >faces >here. This was the second part of my first prediction, which stated >that the >dictatorship will not be removed. We will have a Hussein under a >different >name, that's all. Neither you or I have a damn clue what form a liberated Iraqi government will take. I see that has not stopped you from ranting on. Now I make another prediction, which you, usa-friendly guys out there, >will also ignore just as you ignored the first, pretending that nobody >has told that and covering this unfair story in silence: IRAK IS NOT THE END. AFTER IRAK THE SAME US IMPERIAL POLITICS WILL BE >CONTINUED. NEXT ONE COMES PAKISTAN OR IRAN. THE WHOLE WORLD IS WHAT >THE USA WANTS. YOU ARE THE DARK SIDE OF POWER. If we were in this war for imperialistic reasons, you'd soon see a new 51st state. Sort of like what Sadam tried to do in '90 to Kuwait. In fact, it will never happen. We probably could have \\annexed\\ all of Kuwait and most of southern Iraq back then. We didn't, did we? We won't this time either. We are not the \\dark side of power\\ you freak, we represent the brightest light of freedom. must not >be anything else besides America. Alone the usage of the name >\\America\\ >for what should be called usa, is in its essence the result of the >arrogance >of those who consider the 300 (or was it 400?) years of \\history\\ of >this >land as the only existing \\culture\\. (Let it be said here: usa is NOT >America. >America is a whole continent with too many other lands and cultures, >which the >brain of your miserable president isn't able to grasp.) Are you really so petty to be upset about this as well? The total ignorance of non-usa interests and the egoistic behavior is >obvious: 1) Disprove any decision that banns atomic bomb tests >2) Not accepting the international criminal court >3) Not accepting the Kyoto Protocoll >4) DENYING TO ACCEPT THE B WEAPONS CONVENTIONS - Now, what an irony, > and you tell me that the usa wants to disarm a threatening country! Yes, to the last part of 4), that is. You're getting it! He is a our generation. And you can bet he'd expand his empire into your country in a heartbeat if he thought he could get away with it. Should I continue? I think the above, especially point four >is enough to make the usa government turn red in shame. If it isn't, >then the usa government consists of people, whose capability to >tell right from wrong has been blasted out of theit heads. Continue? No, its time for you to crawl back into your delusional, misinformed hole. Stay on topic where you are highly regarded in this group and if you must post such trash talk in the future, look for groups like: alt.groups.idiots.usahate.diatribes.rambling.usenetbravado.littlemen At the same time those weaker lands that don't want to obey the >criminal commands of the us, are targets for boycotting. The usa >put anybody under pressure that dares say \\no\\. What a love for >freedom they demonstrate here, really admirable! Even in your own dictatoric country, citizens of the usa, the >tactics of covering critics is now active! Even the Dixie >Chicks were wiped out of the lists of radio stations after >they expressed their dislike for what Bush started. What a >manifestation of democracy! If they were removed from radio stations' play lists, it was because their opinions were unpopular, and improper to the majority of our public. Their absence on the play lists is the result of the private radio stations reacting to free market pressures in a open economy. Where is the political oppression here? You really don't seem to have a clue about this, do you? People like Clooney or Hoffman or Newman are impossible to >hide of course, but for the time being anything possible is >done, to prevent them from protesting in public! You watch too much of our TV apparently. They are actors, not statesmen or mouthpieces for popular american opinion, even though they often seem to think they are. The \\land of the free\\ is in reality the land of the slaves! >As long as what you want is what the us government wants, you >are allowed to be free. This is the freedom of a prisoner, who >can go where (s)he wants *INSIDE HIS PRISON*! You are an idiot. Really. Amazing viewpoint. I am tired of refuting your senseless rants. The pluralism of opinions in the media in the usa was replaced >pretty fast by the uni-sono hymnes to the freedom loving land, >which is the biggest threat in our world since nazi germany. >Actually the us is even worse, because it *does* have the potential >to destroy the whole world. Those who pretend to love and promote freedom were the same >who ordered espionage of our offices in Germany, France and >some other countries. (ECHELON you know??) The freedom warriors violenced all rules. They flew in turkish >territory *BEFORE ANY AGREEMENT FROM THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT*! >You aleays take what you want, don't you??? The freedom warriors ordered a greek plane that was patrolling >inside greek air territory to return to its base or else it >would be shot! Over my country you give me commands? Is that >your definition of freedom? Remove everybody who stands on >your way? Even if the way is not in your territory? I wish, >I really wish I had means to pay that back to you, yunkees! When the cold war stopped I had the miserable feeling which >I couldn't explain. Now I know what it was. At least at that >times there was a power which could show you the stop sign. >Only the name USSR was enough to give you one month's nightmares. >Now, unfortunately, that power doesn't exist. So, usa, you >take the right to decide for the whole world, just because >you have the power. And this is one of the main differences >to Europe. In Europe we believe in the power of right. You, >usa, believe in the right of power. Usa government, cowboys >you were born, and cowboys you will die. You will make no >progress until someone else gets even more powerful and blast >you out of your offices, out of the uno, out of the world! >Another way you don't understand. Oh no, this time there will be no remorse! I will NOT apologize >for protesting against the usa tyranny. I'll keep HULKing >anybody who still has the face to answer this, saying that >the usa is right! AND I'll keep posting to this group >each and every case of the usa ignoring international >right. You got me green, now run for cover! Blasting the columns of truth to everybody! >Until you bomb me to keep me silent! >Nick Banner, alias the HULK! This chip on your shoulder is likely to take years off your life. Really, you'll have a heart attack or a stroke early in life if you continue to let yourself remain delusional, uninformed, and perpetually rabid. I recommend that you enroll in some politically neutral university (if there is such a thing) and take some history and political science classes to get some perspective on this bent you have. Temper your rage with some facts (real ones!) and discussion. Intelligent opinions and viewpoints are never formed within such a state of extremism and ignorance. You'll find things are not nearly as bad as you see them. Failing that you could shut your whiny bitch ass up. God Bless America CW4 Jon F. Lenander ==== > X > Blasting the columns of truth to everybody! > But we knew all this already! Repeated exercise makes the masters. > Until you bomb me to keep me silent! > Didn't you already got some radiation from a gamma.bomb, Bruce? The didn't bombed here (yet). But if I continue this way there are many hopes that the brave murderers will do. I wait... > Nick Banner, alias the HULK! > Yes, but what has this to do with calculators? What economic power do they come from? How is this power created and maintened? Does it really have nothing to do with calcs? > There must be a \\i.hate.bush\\ or similar NG somewhere... > Veli-Pekka Irrelevalnt if there is or not. In these days each and every group, be it digital or not, has the duty to say loudly and clearly that the us government goes crazy. > PS: I hope that war is over soon and that the \\Burning Bush\\ > pumps massive amounts of oil to boost the economics. BTW, Irak was accused for burning up the oil fields in the last war. Everybody was, oh, so shocked, and pointed the fingers to Hussein, the bad guy. Now the us does the same, but this is of vourse something completely different, eh? The next verbal bombardments will occure each and every day. Perhaps thing is sure! They bomb with bombs, I bomb with words. I am better!!! Hulk ==== I am better!!! Hulk Perhaps. Amusing, for sure. ==== > X > PS: I hope that war is over soon and that the \\Burning Bush\\ > pumps massive amounts of oil to boost the economics. Hopefully this will stimulate HP to design more RPN calculators, particularly after the military has used up all of theirs. ==== > X > Yes, but what has this to do with calculators? What economic power do they come from? How is this power created and > maintened? Does it really have nothing to do with calcs? Hmmm. The next HP calculator... (which comes from the USA, why do you use it Nick? It's from USA!!!) will be using new energy source. Instead of Alkalines it uses A) Atomic eg. Nuclear power (from North-Korea power plant or any former Soviet retired military branch) B) Bacteria (from Saddams hidden weapons arsenal finally located via Hubble telescope) C) Chemicals like Neurogas or similar (pumped out of the USA military experiment soldiers lungs @ veterans hospital) O) Oil? X) None of the above. (-; ==== \\Carsten Dominik\\ answered to >> m> 1. Can I change the hp49g from rect to polar mode with just one (or two) >> m> keystrokes ? Get KEYMAN, this is one of the optional assignments it provides, under > the \\More\\ button (read the docs...) Yes, get \\Keyman\\, but the \\rect to polar mode toggler\\ is not \\ available anymore in \\More\\. Several togglers, including \\angular mode tog\\ you find in \\OT49\\ from Wolfgang Rautenberg ftp://ftp.math.fu-berlin.de/pub/usr/raut/hp49/ look in the sub-DIR \\Keys\\? You can find the angular-mode toggler in \\Topkeys.zip\\ In sub-DIR \\tools\\ you get OT49 or search on www.hpcalc.org ..Heiko ==== > 1. Can I change the hp49g from rect to polar mode with just one (or two) > keystrokes ? > You have to assign a small program to a key. > If you assign this to the [SYMB] key you need only 1 keystroke > << -16 DUP IF FS THEN CF ELSE SF >> Missing a questionmark, it better like that: << -16 DUP IF FS? THEN CF ELSE SF >> ______ Wolfgangs proposal, to assign this to leftshift_hold+pi *and coordinate system toggler to leftshift_hold+longhold_pi see \\Topkeys\\ has become to a standard ;-) You need Keyman and OT49 for this. Topkeys is optional, in case you can handle Keyman. ..Heiko