A160 Subject: Re: ^IfMain - The Best Answer I ever Found for Debug4x Well folks, this is an area that just never worked for me (and I did the Debug4x!). Here are some old notes from my research and quesions on the ComboBox (or ChooseEdit box). > I had a query from a user of Debug4x and then I re ized I > did not know the answer either! I need some help, please. > On the HP49, when using an Inform Box with a Combo field > (Choose an item or edit a new one), I have the following > field definition: > ( Field1 definition ) > 'DROPF SE ( Field Message Handler ) > 2 ( Field Type, is Combo box > so c led ChooseEdit ) > { 0 } ( lowed Types are: RE ) > BINT2 ( Decomp object ) > { % 1 % 2 % 3 } ( Choose list ) > O ( Choose decomp ) > % 1 ( Reset V ue ) > % 3 ( Initi V ue ) > When the Inform Box appears there is a menu for CHOOSE and a > menu for EDIT. CHOOSE works just fine. When you select EDIT, you get > a Bad Argument Type message, select OK, and get a strange > character and 1d on the edit line. If you edit this line to > read 56.2 > for example, and then press enter - you get the v ue entered > properly! note that the above shows a way to get it started but there is a big problem! below is an answer from Cyrille that shows no one knows the answer!! If I remember well, a choose/Edit field does not store the v ue of the field, but the index of the currently selected v ue. So, if you want to edit it, you need to write a handler for the edit action in where you exctract the v ue out of the selection list before letting the system edit (by just returning F SE at the end of the event handler). You will of course need to perform the oposit operation at the v idation of edition. This looks like a shortcomming from the developer of the inform box engine So, , the re answer is no one has ever got this to work. If you can do it, there are a few who would be interested in the answer BUT I don't think it re ly works! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - === Subject: Re: ^IfMain - The Best Answer I ever Found for Debug4x Well, at least I know it now, I was reading the dissasembly from Nosy on ^IfMain (clearly a wrapper for ^IfMain2, thanks Cyrille) and the part that I think processes the field types do not have BINT2 as one of the posibilities. I was wondering if it was even programmed to the ROM. Of course, I am just browsing as a rookie, so I may be wrong. You say that it stores the index rather than the v ue, which implies that, besides the index, the actu choose list needs to get edited and saved somewhere in order to low new v ues to be entered. It wouldn't be a true combo field otherwise. Sounds complex to my still impressionable brain... > Well folks, this is an area that just never worked for me (and I did the Debug4x!). Here are some old notes from my research and > quesions on the ComboBox (or ChooseEdit box). > I had a query from a user of Debug4x and then I re ized I > did not know the answer either! I need some help, please. > On the HP49, when using an Inform Box with a Combo field > (Choose an item or edit a new one), I have the following > field definition: > ( Field1 definition ) > 'DROPF SE ( Field Message Handler ) > 2 ( Field Type, is Combo box > so c led ChooseEdit ) > { 0 } ( lowed Types are: RE ) > BINT2 ( Decomp object ) > { % 1 % 2 % 3 } ( Choose list ) > O ( Choose decomp ) > % 1 ( Reset V ue ) > % 3 ( Initi V ue ) > When the Inform Box appears there is a menu for CHOOSE and a > menu for EDIT. CHOOSE works just fine. When you select EDIT, you get > a Bad Argument Type message, select OK, and get a strange > character and 1d on the edit line. If you edit this line to > read 56.2 > for example, and then press enter - you get the v ue entered > properly! > note that the above shows a way to get it started but there is a big problem! > below is an answer from Cyrille that shows no one knows the answer!! > If I remember well, a choose/Edit field does not store the v ue of the > field, but the index of the currently selected v ue. > So, if you want to edit it, you need to write a handler for the edit action > in where you exctract the v ue out of the selection list before letting the > system edit (by just returning F SE at the end of the event handler). > You will of course need to perform the oposit operation at the v idation of > edition. > This looks like a shortcomming from the developer of the inform box engine > > So, , the re answer is no one has ever got this to work. If you can do it, there are a few who would be interested in the > answer BUT I don't think it re ly works! > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - === Subject: Re: ^IfMain - The Best Answer I ever Found for Debug4x I'll agree, when I did this it was extremely painful... > Well folks, this is an area that just never worked for me (and I did the Debug4x!). Here are some old notes from my research and > So, , the re answer is no one has ever got this to work. If you can do it, there are a few who would be interested in the > answer BUT I don't think it re ly works! > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - === Subject: HP49G+ Return/New Keyboard I sent my c culator to New Age after getting a case number from an HP rep and was promised that a new c culator would be sent out immediately upon reception of my old unit and would ARRIVE within 2-business days. Well, New Age had my c culator on Friday morning, 02/27 and shipped out a replacement on Tuesday, March 2nd (2 business days later). It is due to arrive on Tuesday, MARCH 9TH (a full 7 BUSINESS DAYS LATER). So, the mor of the story is to push HP into sending a replacement unit BEFORE you part with your c culator. This was not given to me as an option when I c led, even with a cc #. B, Just in case this happened, I purchased a NEW 49G+ from outpost.com (seri CN402...) BEFORE parting with my OLD unit (seri CN33...). The new keyboard is not as noisy and doesn't miss as many keystrokes as the origin keyboard. In addition, the new c culator is slightly heavier. I am disappointed in the HP C culator Division since the new keyboard shows only increment improvement over the old unit and the tech support rep was less than honest about the replacement shipping policy. I was in the process of starting an HP C culator User Group at RIT but have decided against it for the time being. My students deserve a fully function c culator. I will continue to use my 49G+ c culators and hope for a better keyboard/unit downstream, though the Voyage 200 by TI looks like a nice unit. Disappointed, - Former owner of the HP15C, 28S, 48GX, 49G - Current owner of (2) HP49G+ c culators and an HP IPAQ 5450 (which l have their own problems) === Subject: Re: HP49G+ Return/New Keyboard X > I will continue to use my 49G+ c culators and hope for a better > keyboard/unit downstream, though the Voyage 200 by TI looks like a > nice unit. > - Former owner of the HP15C, 28S, 48GX, 49G > - Current owner of (2) HP49G+ c culators and an HP IPAQ 5450 (which > l have their own problems) I'd like to say here that since TI has never had high qu ity products (OK, they are good, but not up to the old HP qu ity) so the users are less demanding Be Aware the TI's have tey own shortcomings and limitations, too! === Subject: Re: HP49G+ Return/New Keyboard > I'd like to say here that since TI has never had high qu ity products Better qu ity and design than new HP products, at least hardware-wise. They are so reputed to have very good testing. > so the users are less demanding Hmm, I would've thought I was a counterexample > Be Aware the TI's have tey own shortcomings and limitations, too! Of course. Everything has shortcomings and limitations, including older HP products. Bhuvanesh === Subject: Re: SD reader/writer brands...any suggestions? Thanks for everyone's input...I forgot to mention that I'm running win xp pro. I'll check out both the Imagemate 8 in 1 and the Lexar jump drive. p.s. I just noticed I must have been up way to late playing with my 49g+...look at my opening line! I hope everybody understood that I'm re ly grateful for l the excellent posting's on this site! > Hi everyone! > First of thank you to l the contributors to this news group. I've learned > a great de about my 49g+ from you guys. > I'm thinking about buying a SD reader/writer and wanted to know if anybody > had any recommendations. My SD card is Kingston. > I read in this group on how to create directories on the SD card directly > from the 49g+...(and I did it) ... and then I read a little further and > discovered that you can't (yet?) delete these directories directly from the > c culator. === Subject: Re: SD reader/writer brands...any suggestions? >I'm thinking about buying a SD reader/writer and wanted to know if anybody >had any recommendations. My SD card is Kingston. > >I read in this group on how to create directories on the SD card directly >from the 49g+...(and I did it) ... and then I read a little further and >discovered that you can't (yet?) delete these directories directly from >the c culator. > I'm so looking for similar things which works under Linux. Just about any card reader works in Linux. === Subject: Binary number to integer If I wish to convert say the ticks(#518108202382046d) for this moment to an integer(51808202382046)in UserRpl I use a sm l program thus << -> STR DUP TAIL OBJ-> DROP >> Is there a sysRPL entry point to do the same thing? === Subject: Re: Binary number to integer B->R > If I wish to convert say the ticks(#518108202382046d) for this moment > to an integer(51808202382046)in UserRpl I use a sm l program thus > << -> STR DUP TAIL OBJ-> DROP >> Is there a sysRPL entry point to do > the same thing? === Subject: Re: Binary number to integer Sorry, you want integers; try this: << B->R R->I >> on the 49G's > B->R > If I wish to convert say the ticks(#518108202382046d) for this moment > to an integer(51808202382046)in UserRpl I use a sm l program thus > << -> STR DUP TAIL OBJ-> DROP >> Is there a sysRPL entry point to do > the same thing? === Subject: Re: Binary number to integer > Sorry, you want integers; try this: << B->R R->I >> on the 49G's > If I wish to convert say the ticks(#518108202382046d) for this moment > to an integer(51808202382046)in UserRpl I use a sm l program thus > << -> STR DUP TAIL OBJ-> DROP >> Is there a sysRPL entry point to do > the same thing? << B->R R->I >> yields 5.18108202382E14 because the c culator does not yield more than 12 digits in Re mode. In Long Re one can get more digits but that involves more effort to do. As VPN has noted there is no direct B->R in menu 256 and what I am looking is a suitable entry point in SysRPL (SYSEV number). === Subject: Re: Binary number to integer Damn, that's sysrpl ! I need some orange juice... > Sorry, you want integers; try this: << B->R R->I >> on the 49G's > B->R > > If I wish to convert say the ticks(#518108202382046d) for this moment > to an integer(51808202382046)in UserRpl I use a sm l program thus > << -> STR DUP TAIL OBJ-> DROP >> Is there a sysRPL entry point to do > the same thing? === Subject: Re: Binary number to integer > B->R Look at the size of that thing! > If I wish to convert say the ticks(#518108202382046d) for this moment > to an integer(51808202382046)in UserRpl I use a sm l program thus > << -> STR DUP TAIL OBJ-> DROP >> Is there a sysRPL entry point to do > the same thing? === Subject: Re: Binary number to integer Not quite, he earns less than me! is the four-letter, english-sounding, highly-accesible version of Crist.97b , which can easily be confused with cryst b l, bringing quite unpleasant memories from elementary school. Crist.97b Bond did not work. > B->R > Maquire? > Look at the size of that thing! > > [VPN] > If I wish to convert say the ticks(#518108202382046d) for this moment > to an integer(51808202382046)in UserRpl I use a sm l program thus > << -> STR DUP TAIL OBJ-> DROP >> Is there a sysRPL entry point to do > the same thing? === Subject: Re: Binary number to integer > If I wish to convert say the ticks(#518108202382046d) for this moment > to an integer(51808202382046)in UserRpl I use a sm l program thus > << -> STR DUP TAIL OBJ-> DROP >> Is there a sysRPL entry point to do > the same thing? Hey! B~I is missing from my Hacklib, maybe JYA adds this to 256 MENU (standard floats max is 12 digits only and even LR is slightly sm ler than full 64-bit binary) === Subject: 49g+: possible reasons for varied keyboard experiences After reading l the varied opinions on people liking (or not) the new keyboard (CN352 and later) I decided to give it some thought and do some testing. There is one fundament difference (actu ly o) beeen the 49g+ keyboard and every other HP keyboard I have tested that I have not seen mentioned and that I believe may parti ly explain the varied reactions: On the 49g+, press o keys simultaneously (or very nearly) and you will get precisely NO key-presses registering ! This behavior is completely different from any other HP I've tried. Here are the results with my HP collection: 11C, 15C, 41CX: o simultaneous keys pressed will ways get you precisely one key registering - the first one down wins the keystroke race! 48SX, 32SII, 49G: o keys pressed will ways get you BOTH keys registering in a buffered fashion! I have a couple more HPs but didn't bother testing them since there seems to be a definite pattern here! The 49g+ seems the only one of the lot that ignores l keystrokes if there are o or more keys pressed simultaneously. Here is one theory then: People who use the 49g+ in a reasonably sedate and methodic fashion (like myself) seem to be happy with the new keyboard and are experiencing few, if any, missed keystrokes. People who are very quick and rapidly punch out c culations may actu ly be somewhat sloppy and hit more than one key within the 49g+'s tolerance interv . Those people will experience annoying numbers of missed key-presses. Again, this is only a theory and I invite comments from others who may agree or disagree. If I am right about this being a cause of people's problems (and I'm sure there may be more to it as I will explain below) then this may be a serious design flaw in the key scanning hardware on the 49g+. The big question is, can this behavior be changed in a future firmware update, or is this hard-wired into the low-level keyboard hardware ? Any comments from HP insiders on that question...? I will say that when I am punching away quickly, just playing around with the 49g+, I so have seen missed keystrokes with my new CN402 keyboard. When I am re ly using it, I seem to have no problems because I am going slower and take care to hit the keys precisely. The second factor in these keyboard problems (and might be more significant) may be this: on the 49g+, when a key's rollover pressure is slowly achieved and it clicks (done most easily, I find, with the fingernails of your left and right index fingers pushing down and very slowly increasing the pressure), the key still moves down a sm l fraction before it actu ly generates a key-press. On other HP's, most easily tested on my 41CX, 48SX and 49G, when this rollover pressure is gently achieved and the key clicks, there is an immediate key-press generated with no further downward movement required. I believe that this extra distance required by the keys, sm l as it is, can lead to missed keystrokes when one very quickly stabs at a key. One might feel the tactile click of the key as it hits its rollover point, but it may not actu ly travel that slight extra distance to actuate the contact. I have so deliberately tried this quick stabbing action and have generated missed keystrokes as well. Again, methodic , slow key punchers likely won't notice this, but quicker folks who stab at the keys would... So there you have it... o distinct and different design flaws, design compromises or whatever one wants to c l them, that may be the root of some people's complaints. I am sure that perhaps some are still getting keyboa with dirty contacts and there may be other issues as well. On my first 49g+, I could gently press down and seat a key (past its click) without it registering but then as I steadily increased pressure, it would fin ly register. That sure felt like dirty contacts and the famous wiggle-fix did indeed seem to help it to some extent. I can say with certainty that my new 49g+ absolutely does not have that particular problem however. Comments...? B, my 49g+ reports Version 03.54 build 0031 on the ON-D screen and Version HP49-C Revision #1.23 with the VERSION command. Lucky for me then that I'm the slow and methodic type - I am actu ly happy with my new 49g+ keyboard. And pardon the long posting! P.S. Three or more keys pressed simultaneously on the 48SX and 49G can show some interesting results depending on the pattern used. Certain patterns will yield no presses, 1, 2 or even l 3 keys registering. The earlier units (11C, 15C, 41CX) are very consistent - ways exactly one key registers, presumably the first one detected. This, I would think, is the best possible behavior for a keyboard to have. Another reason to resurrect the 41 keyboard and use it in the 49g+... === Subject: Re: 49g+: possible reasons for varied keyboard experiences >I believe that this extra distance required by the keys, sm l as it >is, can lead to missed keystrokes when one very quickly stabs at a >key. One might feel the tactile click of the key as it hits its >rollover point, but it may not actu ly travel that slight extra >distance to actuate the contact. I have so deliberately tried this >quick stabbing action and have generated missed keystrokes as well. >Again, methodic , slow key punchers likely won't notice this, but >quicker folks who stab at the keys would... I think this is probably the most likely reason - when using it norm ly, I press down just enough to cause the click in most cases, and it doesn't bottom out the key. I so type that way - possibly due to much experience with the origin IBM keyboard and the Northgate keyboard. === Subject: Re: possible reasons for varied keyboard experiences X > I believe that this extra distance required by the keys, sm l as it > is, can lead to missed keystrokes when one very quickly stabs at a > key. One might feel the tactile click of the key as it hits its > rollover point, but it may not actu ly travel that slight extra > distance to actuate the contact. I have so deliberately tried this > quick stabbing action and have generated missed keystrokes as well. > Again, methodic , slow key punchers likely won't notice this, but > quicker folks who stab at the keys would... X That's it! I'm a stabber and that's why there are some keys still not registering I think I'm used to the o key roll-over feature from the 48-line. I wonder how shift-holds will work on a 41 kb design.... PS: Would kindly test the angled pressure case, too. It seems that holding the c c and thumbing the kb will get good results, but on the desk you something hit the kb either angled or off-center! === Subject: Re: possible reasons for varied keyboard experiences Very nice post Mike! The one thing that I've noticed the most is that when I hold the c culator in my hands and use my thumbs to enter data, I never get a missed keystroke, but when I have the c culator laying on my desk flat, I use my index fingers (sometimes my middle fingers) and I can most ways get a missed keystroke, sometimes a lot of missed keystrokes! I've so noticed that if o buttons are pressed at the same time, no keypress is registered at l. My guess is that behavior is programmed to be that way (I'm not 100% on that, but it's my guess). When I press o buttons simultaneously on my 48GX, it's just as you say, a race to see which registers first. Both are buffered with the first getting executed and then the next, and so on. I would think that this can be programmed to behave the same way on the 49G+. Another thought of mine was maybe the key handler isn't refreshing fast enough to register re ly fast key presses. I don't know, but when more information on the hardware and ARM programming for the 49G+ is released we can start to investigate this ourselves. Who knows, with the recent revelations and discoveries of what can be done with ARM on the c culator, maybe we can write our own handler! Who will be the first? > P.S. Three or more keys pressed simultaneously on the 48SX and 49G > can show some interesting results depending on the pattern used. > Certain patterns will yield no presses, 1, 2 or even l 3 keys > registering. The earlier units (11C, 15C, 41CX) are very consistent - > ways exactly one key registers, presumably the first one detected. > This, I would think, is the best possible behavior for a keyboard to > have. Another reason to resurrect the 41 keyboard and use it in the > 49g+... === Subject: Re: Mac and 49G+ connectivity?? > Once again seeking stories of successful or problematic connectivity > with a Mac OS 9.x or OSX via USB port or other means. There should be a way to force the Mac to recognize the 49G+ as a gen USB seri device ... don't ask me, I have no Macs and no experience with them, but that's the way it works on Linux (according to Yoann IIRC), and OS X is Un*x too! As soon as that works you can use any Kermit or XModem capable program on the seri device. If you want to reply by mail, substitute my first and last name for 'foo' and 'bar', respectively. === <87r7w8x6bh.fsf@thomas.loc > Subject: Re: Mac and 49G+ connectivity?? > Once again seeking stories of successful or problematic connectivity > with a Mac OS 9.x or OSX via USB port or other means. > There should be a way to force the Mac to recognize the 49G+ as a > gen USB seri device ... don't ask me, I have no Macs and no > experience with them, but that's the way it works on Linux (according > to Yoann IIRC), and OS X is Un*x too! There is NO gen USB seri driver available for Mac OS X. You could try a couple of the chipset company's drivers, but you'll probably need to hack them. On linux it uses the gen type of the usbseri module, and with a bit of web surfing that driver arrived out of the FTDI chipset/driver set, one of which there is a version for Mac OS X, I haven't tried it yet though ( don't have a c culator) but could be worth a try. After that you'll have a seri port with relatively simple process of porting/downloading Mac OS X versions of the sofare used on Linux. > As soon as that works you can use any Kermit or XModem capable program > on the seri device. > === Subject: Re: Mac and 49G+ connectivity?? Mike, Interesting. I have been considering the Virtu PC pathway with a new HP49g+ option. Another is stick with Hp 48sx and buy a $200 USB seri converter - having ready spent $70on one that works for l OS but 9.2.2 ... easiest solution is for partner to come back so I can use old computer with seri port huh! chuckle... like many, $ short currently .. and demands re other serious life matters pressing...sister car accident, injury, etc an extraordinary person time so tight.. so in these circumstances ... very much appreciated your update. Optim path may be wait, save, upgrade hardware, OS and solve sever issues at once. .... Will continue to watch and assess. Cameron Downunder. === Subject: Re: Mac and 49G+ connectivity?? > 0403012238.2ab029ab@posting.google.com>... > Mike, > Interesting. I have been considering the Virtu PC pathway with a new > HP49g+ option. Another is stick with Hp 48sx and buy a $200 USB seri > converter - having ready spent $70on one that works for l OS but > 9.2.2 ... Cameron, which model USB->seri cable do you have, there are a few drivers available for Mac OS X from non-obvious places you might want to try. Do a search on http://www.macosxhints.com === Subject: Re: HP49G LGPL CAS release mmmm interesting :) on rom 1.19-6 write version and say Version HP49-B Revision #1.19-6 Copyright HP2001 and write ver and say 4.20010912 on rom build from HP49G LGPL CAS release write version and say Version HP49-B Revision #1.20-7 Copyright HP2002 and write ver and say 4.20010326 most recent ROM, but old CAS ?? Rodrigo Linfati rodrigo(at)linfati(dot)cl Parisse Bernard escribi.97 en el > Dear newsgroup, > I'm happy to announce the release of my contribution to the HP49G CAS > under the LGPL license. It means that everybody is now able to modify > the CAS source code (except for the files containing code from G48), > or add a new functionn ity, compile it, make a new ROM, and use it > in his HP49G c culator. For more information, get the archive (see > references below) and look at the README, LICENSE and ABOUT files. > This release was made possible thanks to may people (see ABOUT file) > and especi ly Cyrille De Brebisson. > Have fun, > > Web: English http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/english.html > French http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/ > Ftp: ftp://ftp-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/xcas/hpcas/casrelease.zip === Subject: Re: ARM code extraction utility Maybe you can format you web page with links or chapters.... > Hi l, > I have written a sm l Java program that should extract the opcodes out > of a file generated by the ARM SDT (linked to on my webpage). You need > java and the ARM SDT inst led to run it. Usage: > 1. Make the assembler put 0xFFFFFFFF just before and after your > code. This is done using DCD 0xFFFFFFFF on the ARM SDT. > 2. Type java ARM . This will > generate a file, output.ARM, containing ARM opcodes formatted to work on > the HP49G+ / MASD. > EG if your code is just MOV PC,LR, ter the assembly file to say > DCD 0xFFFFFFFF ; marker > MOV PC, LR > DCD 0xFFFFFFFF ; end marker > Then run the ARM code extractor to produce a file containing E00F0A1E, > suitable for putting in MASD. > You can get it at http:// page.ath.cx/hptute/arm.htm , at the bottom of > the page. Please let me know if there are any bugs, I don't have a 49G+ > to test it at the moment. It seems to recreate Cyrille's code fine though. > I'll enhance it tomorrow to so output binary files, suitable for > Thomas Rast's ARM Loader. > cheers, > === Subject: Re: ARM code extraction utility > Maybe you can format you web page with links or chapters.... http:// page.ath.cx/hptute/arm.htm better? === Subject: Re: My new hp49g+ usb problem. Help! Hello > Is this a typo or is it RE LY a new rom version. No, it is not a typo. Go to your self-test screen (ON-F6) and there for a while you will see the version and build number. Mine is 3.54, build 31. I have ROM 1.23 from the HP site (not the first that appeared on hp.c c.org). No problem thus far === Subject: Re: My new hp49g+ usb problem. Help! > So flag -34 (Print via IR or Wire) so effects USB connectivity with > Conn4x?! Didn't expect that at l... I'll have to try with Virtu PC > again on my Mac since I did not have -34 set last time. Or does -34 > only effect the LCD screen capture feature? Just the Screen Capture. I have found that is a good first test of the c culator. First try Screen Capture and if that works then try the connect. Connect does a lot of communicating before it reports a connection as good. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - === Subject: HP48S documentation X-PAA-AntiVirus: Passed X-PAA-AntiVirus-Message: Scanned by http://www.pandasofare.com/PAA hi l ! I'm searching for documentation (user manu or tutori ) for my HP48S I've lost mine. does someone could help me ? thanks PS : does the hp48G can apply to the HP48S ? === Subject: Re: HP48S documentation http://www.hpmuseum.org/hp48s.htm > hi l ! > I'm searching for documentation (user manu or tutori ) for my HP48S > I've lost mine. > does someone could help me ? > thanks > PS : does the hp48G can apply to the HP48S ? === Subject: Re: HP48S documentation > hi l ! > I'm searching for documentation (user manu or tutori ) for my HP48S > I've lost mine. > does someone could help me ? > thanks > PS : does the hp48G can apply to the HP48S ? Yes, most of the time. Be aware of the new commands look here: http://www.hpc c.org/details.php?id=5265 and here: http://www.mit.jyu.fi/tt/stak/hp48s.html === Subject: Re: Inequ ity problem > I solved for 'X' and it gave me > -1<=X<=3 or 3<=X<=6 but the book has a different answer -1<=X<3 or 3 I believe this bug (or one that was similar to this one) was reported > here a few months back. Anyone else remember? Actu ly, I don't think it's a bug, but a non-implemented feature. The CAS cannot handle strict inequ ities. Just try to solve 'X+1<0' for example, the c culator may display a warning (not tested). === Subject: Re: Inequ ity problem > Actu ly, I don't think it's a bug, but a non-implemented feature. The > CAS cannot handle strict inequ ities. It's still a bug. If the CAS cannot handle it, it should return the input unev uated, not give a wrong answer. Bhuvanesh === Subject: SM L QUESTION I'm having to convert some of my sysrpl programs to run on my new 49g+. Could some one please tell me which type? command to use to check for and integer, and can I test for a re and an integer with the same test. Thanks Lee === Subject: Re: SM L QUESTION > Could some one please tell me which type? command to use to check for and > integer, and can I test for a re and an integer with the same test. ckre will check for a re or integer (zint) and will give you a re === Subject: Re: SM L QUESTION > I'm having to convert some of my sysrpl programs to run on my new 49g+. > Could some one please tell me which type? command to use to check for and > integer, and can I test for a re and an integer with the same test. ^TYPEZINT? will check for integers. In masd you need to c l this as: FPTR2 ^TYPEZINT It has its corresponding ^DUPTYPEZINT? PS: You may want to take a look here: http://zon.astro.uva.nl/~dominik/hpc c/entries/hp49g/entries_111.html#SEC11 1 Beto Reply: Erase beeen the dot (inclusive) and the @. Responder: Borra la frase obvia y el punto previo. === Subject: Help with Library creation on 49G+ want to keep it as a library and am having much trouble Latest error is a CRLIB error stating insufficient memory when compiling I think I will have to split these .txt files and create o libraries Can anyone help me with the best way to do this? I want to make them l work together when finished and work off of an SD card in the 49G+ Thanks - === Subject: Re: Here we go again. . . Create-A-C c 2.0 anyone? > Here's my entry ... > The HP42S with the same everything as the HP42S :))) > Then you wouldn't stand a chance to win the contest, as you're not > creating anything :) Okay, the 42S except made of steel. ua Belsky Email: At yahoo dot com, I am belsky http://belsky.net === Subject: Re: Here we go again. . . Create-A-C c 2.0 anyone? >> >> Here's my entry ... >> >> The HP42S with the same everything as the HP42S :))) > Then you wouldn't stand a chance to win the contest, as you're not > creating anything :) > Okay, the 42S except made of steel. AND a diamond to protect the LCD === Subject: Re: Still defective keyboard > I received yesterday my Hp49g+ from Amazon (CN402...). After waiting > for a few months, I decided to go ahead when I read that HP had > fixed the keyboard. Unfortunately, the unit I received, despite the > seri number misses keystrokes and is very noisy (hollow sound, > etc.). I put it side by side to my HP 28S and I am ashamed that HP > management would try to save a few pennies on something as critic as > the keyboard. l the more so knowing of l the complaints about the > keyboard on the 49g! > I asked for a replacement. If the replacement is again defective, I > will return it and wait for HP to offici ly announce an re update. > It's very upsetting for people who have used wonderful devices like > HP15C or HP28S to have to de with such a disappointment - it's like > buying a $50,000 car and finding the same plastic switches and knobs > of a $12,000 car. As someone put it in this group, even a $10 Casio > c culator doesn't miss a stroke. > HP folks, if you read this, please get your act together - you are > losing old loy customers. As far as I am concerned, just redo the > 15C and I will be happy. > Gil I just received another HP49G+ from Amazon - same bad and noisy keyboard. That's it: I am waiting for the prepaid return label for mailing it back and get a full refund. HP: I will wait until the next good qu ity model. B - I c led HP support and asked how different is the new keyboard compared to the defective one. The answer was that it would not miss keystrokes. When I asked about the noise, the support speci ist with a somehow proud/arrogant tone answered that the noise was the same. She couldn't understand that it is somehow problematic to have a keyboard sounding like a sm l machine gun when you press key fast. Anyone out there who plans to start a new company developing and manufacturing good-qu ity RPN c culators? Gil === Subject: Re: Still defective keyboard > Anyone out there who plans to start a new company developing and > manufacturing good-qu ity RPN c culators? I still say that we should just l get together and do it. ua Belsky Email: At yahoo dot com, I am belsky http://belsky.net === Subject: Re: Still defective keyboard HP is a different critter now. The instrument company is out, the consumer electronic company is in. Maybe this transition was needed to survive. I don't think they'll ever do a sm l volume high qu ity widget again. I am glad I kept the 48g, gx. === Subject: Re: Still defective keyboard > This never ceases to amaze me. Here we have HP who was THE c culator > company of 10+ years ago, with the innovation, the qu ity and who just blew > the competition away, despite the attempts by TI to overtake, and now what > do we have? A rubbish keyboard for h f of those people reporting in this > group. Unbelievable! Let me me spell this out to HP. Go down to the HP > c culator museum/cupboard and have a look at the HP41 keyboard. It can't > have cost the earth and I for one would be prepared to pay some more for > that kind of user interface. > Anyone else vote for the return of the HP41 keyboard? > Dave I don't own a HP41 but those were the days where qu ity (not cost savings) was the mantra at HP - and the 41 was the flagship model! > It's very upsetting for people who have used wonderful devices like > HP15C or HP28S to have to de with such a disappointment - it's like > buying a $50,000 car and finding the same plastic switches and knobs > of a $12,000 car. As someone put it in this group, even a $10 Casio > c culator doesn't miss a stroke. > Coincident ly, I was so the user of old good HP15C & HP28S and they are > still working (unfortunately, I gave both models to some friends & > relatives) thinking I do not them any more. > Being reluctant to buy HP49G because of rubber keyboard, I got some hope > with the new HP49G+ & latest series, and I'm still waiting to see what > kind > of c c will be in the box. > HP folks, if you read this, please get your act together - you are > losing old loy customers. As far as I am concerned, just redo the > 15C and I will be happy. > Just make good c c and do not consider price i.e. saving on a keyboard. > , > T king about price: HP will have to scrap or recycle thousands of returned HP49G+ c culators, to pay l the employees in customer support working overtime to soothe irated customers, to pay l the postage fees to mail replacements, and to pay extra engineers to test units one by one before mailing them as replacement. l this without counting that an irated customer is a lost customer ( l marketing whiz will tell how high is customer acquisition cost, i.e. gaining a brand new customer vs managing existing happy customers). Putting l this on one side of the sc e and the couple of bucks that most likely a pointed-hairy marketing manager forecasted to save on each HP49G+ shipped by putting a low qu ity keyboard, what do you guess is more profitable for HP?... Paraphrasing another user, this is what happens to a company that uses customers as beta testers. The HP 49G+ may get on the ann s of HP as the Corvair for Chevrolet. One more time: HP, please get the HP15C, HP28S, HP41, etc. files off the shelf, and relearn how to do a re ly great products. And feel free to charge a few dollars more for it. Gil === Subject: Re: Still defective keyboard no doubt about it the HP 41 keyboard would be worth another $25 > This never ceases to amaze me. Here we have HP who was THE c culator > company of 10+ years ago, with the innovation, the qu ity and who just blew > the competition away, despite the attempts by TI to overtake, and now what > do we have? A rubbish keyboard for h f of those people reporting in this > group. Unbelievable! Let me me spell this out to HP. Go down to the HP > c culator museum/cupboard and have a look at the HP41 keyboard. It can't > have cost the earth and I for one would be prepared to pay some more for > that kind of user interface. > Anyone else vote for the return of the HP41 keyboard? > Dave > I don't own a HP41 but those were the days where qu ity (not cost > savings) was the mantra at HP - and the 41 was the flagship model! > > It's very upsetting for people who have used wonderful devices like > HP15C or HP28S to have to de with such a disappointment - it's like > buying a $50,000 car and finding the same plastic switches and knobs > of a $12,000 car. As someone put it in this group, even a $10 Casio > c culator doesn't miss a stroke. > Coincident ly, I was so the user of old good HP15C & HP28S and they are > still working (unfortunately, I gave both models to some friends & > relatives) thinking I do not them any more. > > Being reluctant to buy HP49G because of rubber keyboard, I got some hope > with the new HP49G+ & latest series, and I'm still waiting to see what > kind > of c c will be in the box. > > HP folks, if you read this, please get your act together - you are > losing old loy customers. As far as I am concerned, just redo the > 15C and I will be happy. > > Just make good c c and do not consider price i.e. saving on a keyboard. > > , > > > T king about price: HP will have to scrap or recycle thousands of > returned HP49G+ c culators, to pay l the employees in customer > support working overtime to soothe irated customers, to pay l the > postage fees to mail replacements, and to pay extra engineers to test > units one by one before mailing them as replacement. l this without > counting that an irated customer is a lost customer ( l marketing > whiz will tell how high is customer acquisition cost, i.e. gaining a > brand new customer vs managing existing happy customers). Putting l > this on one side of the sc e and the couple of bucks that most likely > a pointed-hairy marketing manager forecasted to save on each HP49G+ > shipped by putting a low qu ity keyboard, what do you guess is more > profitable for HP?... Paraphrasing another user, this is what happens > to a company that uses customers as beta testers. The HP 49G+ may get > on the ann s of HP as the Corvair for Chevrolet. > One more time: HP, please get the HP15C, HP28S, HP41, etc. files off > the shelf, and relearn how to do a re ly great products. And feel > free to charge a few dollars more for it. > Gil === Subject: Re: Still defective keyboard Hi David, hi folks. Me too I vote for a keyboard like the one found on the HP-41CX. I will not buy another c culator from HP until they deliver the qu ity I was used to get with their c culators before the HP-49. I like Gil comparison with cars. Read my numerous posts about HPs of the past. HPs designers should consider that the average age of the population of industri ized countries, where c culators are most likely to be used, is increasing. That means that the proportion of students compared to the working population is getting lower. And, I am sure that students can be happy with machines that do not follow trends or fashions with fluo colors and weird looking keyboa . Please HP, just get back to basics: solid, ergonomic and performant machines. Jean (Johnny) Lemire from Richelieu, Quebec, Canada. === Subject: Re: Still defective keyboard === > Anyone else vote for the return of the HP41 keyboard? though not having one, I'd like to have it. , === Subject: Re: Still defective keyboard > This never ceases to amaze me. Here we have HP who was THE c culator > company of 10+ years ago, with the innovation, the qu ity and who just blew > the competition away, despite the attempts by TI to overtake, and now what > do we have? A rubbish keyboard for h f of those people reporting in this > group. Unbelievable! Let me me spell this out to HP. Go down to the HP > c culator museum/cupboard and have a look at the HP41 keyboard. It can't > have cost the earth and I for one would be prepared to pay some more for > that kind of user interface. > Anyone else vote for the return of the HP41 keyboard? > Dave > It's very upsetting for people who have used wonderful devices like > HP15C or HP28S to have to de with such a disappointment - it's like > buying a $50,000 car and finding the same plastic switches and knobs > of a $12,000 car. As someone put it in this group, even a $10 Casio > c culator doesn't miss a stroke. > Coincident ly, I was so the user of old good HP15C & HP28S and they are > still working (unfortunately, I gave both models to some friends & > relatives) thinking I do not them any more. > Being reluctant to buy HP49G because of rubber keyboard, I got some hope > with the new HP49G+ & latest series, and I'm still waiting to see what > kind > of c c will be in the box. > HP folks, if you read this, please get your act together - you are > losing old loy customers. As far as I am concerned, just redo the > 15C and I will be happy. > Just make good c c and do not consider price i.e. saving on a keyboard. > , > your right. I am pissed i started with the re 32s and moved to 48s sx g gx. never got the 49g but man was i stoked to know the ultimate was comming ver soon. i remember waiting those precious 5 days, like a little boy before christmas. my ol gx she was above them l. took down any and l who chose to come up against her. i would inshe th her at school and l whol f l into aw at her site, ste th and above l her knowledge then i get the box and i gentlt rip open the wrappings to behold the king l crowned in gold. i placed the weird and strange batteries in and turned it on and went to make a key stroke ............... thuuuuuuck ting wing weeeeerrrrrrrffghjh aurge what the hell was that. i braced myself and did it again and again but nothing was shown on this high teck lcd i use my gx mostly and infact am ashamed to admit i own the gx most of the time. my pc scanners printer ink c cs are l hp but no more. tech support i9s in some out of the way country where you cant understand them and vise versa in the past 5 years one i gave hp $19345.67. and it is l this way now. no more. WE must stand against this we keep our money for ourselves and give the litte boys and girls cracker jack junk Revolt. i am sending back my c c for a refund, are you travis === Subject: Re: Still defective keyboard I would love the return of the 41 keyboard. Robert > This never ceases to amaze me. Here we have HP who was THE c culator > company of 10+ years ago, with the innovation, the qu ity and who just blew > the competition away, despite the attempts by TI to overtake, and now what > do we have? A rubbish keyboard for h f of those people reporting in this > group. Unbelievable! Let me me spell this out to HP. Go down to the HP > c culator museum/cupboard and have a look at the HP41 keyboard. It can't > have cost the earth and I for one would be prepared to pay some more for > that kind of user interface. > Anyone else vote for the return of the HP41 keyboard? > Dave > It's very upsetting for people who have used wonderful devices like > HP15C or HP28S to have to de with such a disappointment - it's like > buying a $50,000 car and finding the same plastic switches and knobs > of a $12,000 car. As someone put it in this group, even a $10 Casio > c culator doesn't miss a stroke. > Coincident ly, I was so the user of old good HP15C & HP28S and they are > still working (unfortunately, I gave both models to some friends & > relatives) thinking I do not them any more. > Being reluctant to buy HP49G because of rubber keyboard, I got some hope > with the new HP49G+ & latest series, and I'm still waiting to see what > kind > of c c will be in the box. > HP folks, if you read this, please get your act together - you are > losing old loy customers. As far as I am concerned, just redo the > 15C and I will be happy. > Just make good c c and do not consider price i.e. saving on a keyboard. === Subject: /LURK ON Gets: Weekly. Attn: Me. Chat: No. === Subject: Re: Another excellent experience with 49G+ keyboard exchange! > My c c has a headache, no POP-AH today. === Subject: Re: Another excellent experience with 49G+ keyboard exchange! Help! Pervert! Everybody hide your c cs! === Subject: Re: Another excellent experience with 49G+ keyboard exchange! X > Nothing negative to say about it? How about the legends are painted on > instead of molded in? AND the ENTER key is too sm l and in the wrong place there are only 6 function keys instead of full elve USER mode applies only to the standard environment SPC should be interpreted as comma in l cases (or vice versa) Natur ly when you change radix to comma SPC should equ ; This for speeding up keying in (complex numbers) The o shift keys should be to be able to be in effect both at the same time creating a new shift level (planes7 in pha and 8) The new level should be printed like the PHA at keys APPS MODE TOOL VAR STO> NXT NXT and CHARS should works in PHA mode Function keys should be free from PHA in order to use menus The cursor keys are too slippery Z key should be different from the division key ...endless ranting if I re ly wanted.... === Subject: Re: Another excellent experience with 49G+ keyboard exchange! Funny: it took me about a week to re ize that I don't need to turn of PHA mode to use the cursor keys. Comming from 48GX to 49G+ (no 49G), I liked this change a lot. I vote for PH ess menu keys. > X > Nothing negative to say about it? How about the legends are painted on > instead of molded in? > AND > ... > Function keys should be free from PHA in order to use menus > ... > ...endless ranting if I re ly wanted.... === Subject: Re: New HP 49G+ STILL not registering keystrokes! >I will have to use it for a few days to see if it is reliable enough >to run without the keyclick on. >Pete M. Wilson >Gamewood, Inc. >wilsonpm@gamewood.net Even more sadly, it isn't re ly that much more reliable. Doing some programming on the c culator caused a frustrating number of missed keystrokes, even though they plainly clicked. It seems they still need more force than overcoming the click to actu ly register a keypress reliably. === Subject: Re: Samson Cables told the truth as they knew it Hmmm......Samson is having a 'clearance' on the 49G+ units at $125 each. Looks like they're dumping the old inventory. I spotted them selling the newer ones on eBay for about $135. === Subject: Re: Samson Cables told the truth as they knew it > Hmmm......Samson is having a 'clearance' on the 49G+ units at $125 each. > Looks like they're dumping the old inventory. I spotted them selling the > newer ones on eBay for about $135. Fascinating! A clearance s e for a brand-new product, HP's latest and greatest c culator? That speaks volumes, if you ask me... === Subject: Re: Howto assign angle symbol to unshifted key > I have what is probably a very simple question, but I have been > researching it for hours. > I spend a lot of time entering complex numbers in using polar > notation (magnitude, < pha>6 every time I need the angle symbol. > Can anybody give me a quick and easy way to get this symbol assigned > to an unshifted key or a menu option? > Thanks in advance. I had the same problem as an electric engineer. Not only would I need polar notation, I would so need to quickly convert to rectangular (to c culate resistance and reactance). I have created a custom menu as follows: {< DEG RAD CYLIN SPHERE RECT}, where < is the angle symbol enclosed by speci parentheses. I assigned this list to the 'CST variable. Once that is complete, enter left-shift custom where the soft menus are available. This way l items that would be needed to enter complex numbers are available with one press of a function key. This has worked out re ly well and is very efficient as I can visu ly see what key I need to press. Hope this helps as this is another method to accomplish the same thing. Take care! === Subject: Re: Howto assign angle symbol to unshifted key > I spend a lot of time entering complex numbers in using polar notation > (magnitude, < pha>6 every time I need the angle symbol. > Here's a tiny program to simplify entering polar notation: > << DEG -19 SF CYLIN ->V2 >> > Enter the magnitude, then the angle (the < is the angle symbol): > 5 30 -> (5,<30) > Assigning it to a key is convenient. > That's pretty slick. I did not know about flag 19. I like that even better than the solution I wanted at first. - === Subject: A very little bug in old HP49 1.20-7 Manel. I have inst led the new ROM 1.20-7 (Vger.flash with connectivity kit) and have a little bug... It is not possible save anything to PORT 2. (No libraris, no variable....) If you store (from HOME to PORT2) anything with norm built-in File Manager (Blue-shit G) or wolfrag file manager HP49 takes a lot of time.....and does nothing. Store anything from PORT2 to HOME is possible. To port 1 it is possible. I try it on Emu48 and C culator and the result is the same. Anybody has this trouble? === Subject: HP48GII? Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have a few questions about the 48GII 1. Can it run L previously released HP48 programs? 2. Other than the Sm ler screen, slower processor, and no SD slot, What seperates it from the 49G+ === Subject: Re: HP48GII? > I have a few questions about the 48GII > 1. Can it run L previously released HP48 programs? The 48GII is re ly a 49g- so the answer is you can run what runs on a 49 only USR RPL programs are compatible with the 48. The consensus on this group is that it is not worth bothering with the 48GII === Subject: Re: emu 48 and pocket pc I did have the latest version. I got it to work by moving it out of the My documents folder and it worked fine. Thanks for the reply. >I loaded emu48 on my ipaq h2215 and it worked fine until I synced it at >work. After I synced, it stoped working. > Are you running my fixed version? > http://www.scw.us === Subject: Re: HP 33s questions > How some some websites that I go to say this c culator won't be out until > April, while others claim to be out of stock? > Different outlets have different de s. W Mart got a speci > sweetheart de from HP somehow. Some people claim to be getting > them from Samson Cables soon. Interestingly enough, I have been seeing the HP 33S for s e on Ebay. Apparently, a few people have gotten hold of some and are now sc ping them on Ebay. I have seen some of them going for upwa of $150! I can't believe someone would be in that much of a hurry. I can't see paying that when it will be out soon anyway. === Subject: HP 49G+ Questions I am a fairly new user to this group, and as such, I may be asking a few redundant questions here so please with me. I am so new to the HP 49G+, and other HP C cs for that matter as well. I briefly owned a HP 48GX during one semester of college 12 years ago, but didn't learn how to use it. I know that the HP 48GX and 48SX had an equation library in it, but I can't for the life of me figure out where it is in the 49G+. Is there one? If not, where can I download one from? so, can the 49G+ be used as a financi c culator (i.e. is there sofare I can download for that as well?). Addition ly, I am looking for anything that might fill-in the gaps in the manu s that come with the 49G+ too. I have noticed a few postings here and there about how horrible the documentation is for the 49G+, and I for one agree with everyone about that. I am just starting in engineering school, and would be very grateful to anyone within this users group who could point me in the right direction/make recommendations as to where to get answers to some of these questions. I am trying to take it l in, but I am getting somewhat overwhelmed with l the things that are out there these days! Thanks, === Subject: Re: HP 49G+ Questions > I am a fairly new user to this group, and as such, I may be asking a > few redundant questions here so please with me. I am so new to > the HP 49G+, and other HP C cs for that matter as well. I briefly > owned a HP 48GX during one semester of college 12 years ago, but > didn't learn how to use it. I know that the HP 48GX and 48SX had an > equation library in it, but I can't for the life of me figure out > where it is in the 49G+. Is there one? If not, where can I download > one from? so, can the 49G+ be used as a financi c culator (i.e. > is there sofare I can download for that as well?). Addition ly, I > am looking for anything that might fill-in the gaps in the manu s > that come with the 49G+ too. I have noticed a few postings here and > there about how horrible the documentation is for the 49G+, and I for > one agree with everyone about that. I am just starting in engineering > school, and would be very grateful to anyone within this users group > who could point me in the right direction/make recommendations as to > where to get answers to some of these questions. I am trying to take > it l in, but I am getting somewhat overwhelmed with l the things > that are out there these days! Thanks, > Well the manu question is a good one. Of course much splendid documentation about the HP49G+ is available on www.hpc c.org but nothing there covers everything. It'll take at least a few months before you'll understand only a sm l part of this machine. It has huge capabilities and an most endless list of splendid features. I have my HP 49G+ now since a few months and can not live without it no more. There are so many things the HP49G+ can do, the which if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that should be written. === Subject: Virus ert Dear ladyes and gentlemen, I have to tell you that some of us are infected with the new Netsky.D email virus. Please scan your systems to avoid further annoyances and to lower the internet traffic. To help you leviate this problem I can recommend you the following addresses where you can find 2 of the best antiviruses in the world, romanian of course, and both offer free online scan: www.bitdefender.ro www.rav.ro === Subject: Re: New 49G+ Keyboard - Something Nice to Say > Now, perhaps I am biased, but in my humble opinion, the TI c culators > clearly have the inferior keyboa . They are mushy and sloppy, and they > have the least amount of tactile feedback. I easily can create unwanted > keystrokes, and I easily can create missed keystrokes. Any kind of > off-center press results in the button tilting to one side, and haphazard > results. For sure, I would need to keep my eye on the display while using > these c culators. My fingers just are not that good. Why is it that the issue of hp making horrible keyboa or forgetting how to make good keyboa , has to be made into an hp vs ti debate? By easily can create does that mean you are using a ti for c culations and you notice mistakes or are you sitting around jabbing areas of the keys and making them tilt: ie are you actively trying to find situations that keys do not register? When you use your hp c c do you go around hitting the keys on the edges or do you consistently hit the center? I have this great knack of hitting keypresses on my ti89 dead on center. I did not need to learn this knack from negative feedback of missed/duplicated keys. I have never had any keyboard problems with any ti c culator that I have ever owned: ti85, ti86, ti89, this last one i've had for 4 years 9 months. I consider the feedback to be very noticeable. So what if they have the least amount http://www.ny l.net === Subject: Re: New 49G+ Keyboard - Something Nice to Say > I get perfectly reliable keyboard response on my 49G+. > Good for you. Apparently, the results people get with the new 49G+ > vary quite a bit. > The truth is that the 49G+ keyboard is in fact *better* than the 48GX > keyboard for o reasons: > The _truth_ may be that _your_ 49G+ keyboard is fine, but there seem > to be quite a few people with experiences that are very different from > yours. > 1) the matte finish of the keys minimizes any > chance of my fingers from slipping onto an adjacent key, > Hmm, I never had a problem with my fingers slipping of the 48 keys. > I'll skip any of the obvious cute remarks that one migth make here... > 2) the bright > gold contrasting background makes the keyboard more legible, especi ly in > dim lighting. > I agree with this. helen flamer your not. this guy just is used to clumsy i guess. hp did a sh@!#y job and i agree they are making us pay for advancements to0 get them more $$$$$$$$$ a conspirusey dont mind the spelling i am tired and bad we who use hp, like the others said, are spoiled, well no not spoiled at l just edemacated enough to know qu ity and we demand it. who do we demand top of the line stuff from? the fricken company that tought it to to us. unless hp does a rethink on their approach to me, then no more hp for me, other than my gx. in the past few years i have easily spent 19 thousand dollars for this company that is lot to a poor guy like me chris watch out for them chemic s where you work. thye get in the head sometimes. Travis === Subject: Re: New 49G+ Keyboard - Something Nice to Say > HP customers have been spoiled like rich kids > by the superiority of the previous models and > we still demand the very best from HP! > That's why we are HP users (and drive Mercedes, Porche, Jaguar,...) That's why we are HP users (and drive Mercedes, Porche, Jaguar, Dodge) === Subject: Re: New 49G+ Keyboard - Something Nice to Say > HP customers have been spoiled like rich kids > by the superiority of the previous models and > we still demand the very best from HP! > That's why we are HP users (and drive Mercedes, Porche, Jaguar,...) >That's why we are HP users (and drive Mercedes, Porche, Jaguar, Dodge) If you like the old HP's, you should be driving an Acura/Honda NSX... === Subject: Re: New 49G+ Keyboard - Something Nice to Say >That's why we are HP users (and drive Mercedes, Porche, Jaguar, Dodge) > If you like the old HP's, you should be driving an Acura/Honda NSX... Actu ly I don't have a car l my money goes to computer equipments NO, I have to pay the mortgage, I have 88_m^2 flat, 2nd floor === Subject: Re: [HP49G+/HP48GII] We're l just paying beta testers! > does is trying to write to and read from the card (hence it'll fail if > the card is not formmated properly, as well as if the reader is > faulty). I can't format my SD-card in the c c anymore either. > My SD-card works fine in my PC-based card reader. Your SD card may be faulty. Did you ever questionned that? The fact that it works in the PC is no proof whatsoever. 2 HP49G+ in a row not working with your SD card can't be a coincidence. Jean-Yves === Subject: Re: [HP49G+/HP48GII] We're l just paying beta testers! X > My SD-card worked flawlessly for 2-3 weeks in my first unit, so again > - if it's a compatibility problem it's not consistent beeen HP49G+ > units. You can't format it on the c c? Then it's truly broken... How tuff your luck can be? Xpander & ... === Subject: Web Navigator for HP49G and hp49g+ : new version online The latest version (0.08 and 0.08+) of my web navigator for HP49G and hp49g+ is available at : http://www.hp-sources.com/navigator/english.asp The 49g+ version features full-screen displaying, thanks to the SETLNED instruction (just like in the Telescope game of Jean-Marc Arsan), so you'll see eleven lines of text (7 pixel lines per character line since I use a pixel line to underline the links). As usu , some minor bugs have been fixed. If you find new ones, feel free to make me aware. If you use, try or like this program, please tell me too. === Subject: gener question: HP49G+ i've been out of HP-situation developments for a longer time, and yesterday i see HP49G+ in a shop. WHAT? i thought the whole project was dead and those were nothing more than rumours? anyhow, i was just wondering, what were the practic differences beeen 49G and 49G+? i read info on HPs site, but that didn't tell me much. does this mean the project is not dead? further support for 49G? is 49G+ just a dying breath, put together without much sense? i'm sorry if i'm asking you to repeat everything, i read the old posts and couldnt find l i was interested in. just a short answer will do design: http://www.dna-collective.tk/ urban assault: http://www.assault.tk/