A167 Subject: Re: Transposing a formula with the 49g+ (Top-post fixed for last post... what a mess...) > You probably have your calculator set to display numbers in FIX 0 > format; that is, your numbers will be rounded to their integer part. If > you change ts mode (MODE => Number Format => Standard => OK => OK), > you'll see the fractional part too. I keep ending up with ... X = -(2.*Y-5.) where if you take x and y as being 2 in my original equasion, to me (and keep in mind that math isn't my strong suit), I end up with a wrong > answer. Where am I going wrong here? CC >>If I have a simply formula such as ... >2x + 3y = 10 >is there a way to make the hp49g+ turn it around and express it in > terms > >of a variable of my choice, eg ... >x= (10-3y) /2 > >Do ts: > >'2*x+3*y=10' >Enter >x >Enter >Solve > >The calculator gives > > 3y-10 >x = - ------- > 2 > >Note the leading minus sign. > > > >-- >Capaci Occasio > > > Next issue though ... > When I put in sometng like X=2 PI SQRT (LC) and try to solve Isolate for > L it says it can't do it - any ideas anyone? There is no 'L' in your equation. There is a 'LC'. If you meant L*C you have to write that. Daniel === Subject: Re: Transposing a formula with the 49g+ Ah, good point! (Me bad)! [Still top post but with 5 miles of previous text deleted] > There is no 'L' in your equation. There is a 'LC'. If you meant L*C you > have to write that. === Subject: Re: Transposing a formula with the 49g+ > (Top-post fixed for last post... what a mess...) There's notng wrong with Top-posting. Its better then having to scroll through a page of writing just to read a few lines. cheers, Al === Subject: Re: Transposing a formula with the 49g+ > There's notng wrong with Top-posting. Its better then having to > scroll through a page of writing just to read a few lines. Sure. But it's still worse than actually snipping everytng but a few important lines, then writing the text below, like we both did. - If you want to reply by mail, substitute my first and last name for 'foo' and 'bar', respectively. === Subject: converting text files... is it possible to convert a TI text file e.g. abc.89t to a hp 49g+ text file ??? most students use the TI as a formulary... so i got a set of about 100 t89 files wch would help passing the exam... wch text file viewer is usefull for viewing text and forumlas i prefer writung on the pc and then transfering to the hp... tia === Subject: Re: converting text files... > is it possible to convert a TI text file e.g. abc.89t to a hp 49g+ text file > ??? Only if you can get it to abc.txt (i.e. a Notepad-readable standard ASCII text file). Then it's quite easy... === Subject: Re: URPL code need help for speed Hello Heiko, I didn't use ts program on the 48Gx because of the speed. I found it porting my progrs to the 49G+ and the result is better but still not usable from my point of view. so quick right?). I tried to use also list processing but I had no advantages in speed... :-) > Giancarlo schrieb > ... It works, the only tng is that it is very slow. Any proposal for improving speed? I don't need the code, maybe some suggestion only: %%HP: T(2)A(R)F(.); Ç 0. 'A' STO C->PX 1. ->LIST WLE OBJ-> DUP REPEAT { # 0d # 0d } PVIEW 1. - ->LIST 'LST' STO B->R { 1. 0. } { 0. 1. } { -1. 0. } { 0. -1. } 5. ROLL 1. 4. START SWAP OVER ADD R->B DUP IF PIX? THEN DROP ELSE DUP PIXON 'A' INCR DROP LST SWAP 1. ->LIST + 'LST' STO END NEXT DROP LST END DROP È > Giancarlo, > I tnk you should not use STO witn the loop. The list objekt > should be handled witn the stack. > Heiko === Subject: Re: Conn4x Xsrvr library port on 48GX (Warning) PS: Also see: http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/forum.cgi?read=53474 Definitely don't try to store the XSrvr library anywhere except port 0 or 1, unless you're willing and prepared to do a memory clear. PPS: Would an XSrvr library for the 48SX/S be feasible? Are there any Xmodem applications available for the 48SX/S? === Subject: Re: Factoring using HP 48g? > I know on the TI89's there is a built-in function for factoring > polynomials. I was wondering if there was a similar built-in function > for the hp48g or if there was one i could download. Probably the simplest and fasted way is to place the poly coefficients in a vector and execute the PROOT command on it. It returns the roots and hence the factors of the polynomial. eg [1 0 -1] PROOT yields [-1 1] wch implies '(x+1)*(x-1)' There are freely available programs that can do symbolic factorization but they are pretty substantial in size so your 48G may not hold them. I suggest checking www.hpcalc.org for what is available. ~/.signature === Subject: Re: integrability of a mathematical function > Is there any program available for hp48 to check the integrability of > an indefinite integral? > If i enter sin(x)/x the program should tell whether it can be > integrated or not. > I have read somewhere that there is an algorithm for finding the > integrability of any mathematical function. > I want to know more aboutit. Please help. I tnk you mean integrability in closed form (finite terms). In principle, yes, there is such an algorithm -- the Risch algorithm. However, most computer algebra systems have only a partial implementation of it, and the algebraic case is quite hard, so such a function may return unknown rather than true or false for some cases. I don't know whether the Risch() function from the Erable library for the HP48xx (wch works with elementary functions) returns a message if no closed-form antiderivative exists, but you could try it. -- === Subject: Re: integrability of a mathematical function First you have to decide whether you say sin(x)/x is integrable or not. According to what you mean yes and no are orrect answers. === Subject: Does conn4x have any command line swtiches??? I just added a send to connected HP49G+ device to my Send to... Menu. I would like conn4x try to connect auatically to my calc when I click the link. Any ideas??? === Subject: Re: Does conn4x have any command line swtiches??? > I just added a send to connected HP49G+ device to my Send to... Menu. I > would like conn4x try to connect auatically to my calc when I click the > link. Any ideas??? Sorry, no command line switches and there is notng you can do to force an auatic connect. I thought of adding a swicth to do just that but did not implement it. I will put it on my list, though. In the meantime, you could look at Windows Scripting or the WinBat programs to do some sort of script to start up conn4x and then connect. -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - === Subject: Re: writing user RPL on my computer , I figured that out right after I sent ts post, but now I don't know where to get the H-> command. Is it in some library that I am missing? how do I write a user RPL program on my computer so I can transfer it to my calculator? using windows notepad doesn't seem to work. I couldn't figure out how to put 's mandelbrot program on my 49g+ > %%HP: T(3)A(R)F(.); > << > D9D20430F2CCD20212008FB9760808F70E00F14D29E4192195E4293195E20070A1E30080A1E > 10C60A3E2920400E4 > 4640A1E3930500E54650A1E500E480E1090E53EA00000AC5004440E2930300E4002780E3C530 > A1E3003880E100665 > 2E1FFFFFA186961D5E10066C3E86961C5E0F18DB8E86961D5E1006683E86961C5E0F18DB8E07 > 1341F00108340E000 > 80B60AE280B331FE9228319AAF0A7C151717FA6E55F1B0210034E922814413437FFFEFFFFAF7 > 31F481A60BAF23300 > 81BFAAF53128AC0B4406340010880BFF860D01564B421544A44580160B44AF23104A7107A6E5 > 6C161AF23166A7311 > BA6E10B54931FF8018F2120096A6F8F2120096E6F8080310180B338FC77621361B021001448D > 34150B2130 > 13 CHR SREPL DROP 10 CHR SREPL DROP H-> EVAL >> > Notice the slashes in front of the <<, >> and /-> ? These tell conn4x to > replace these characters with the special HP equivlent. > Transfer that program using con4x in ASCII mode. > Al Brandon === Subject: Re: writing user RPL on my computer > , I figured that out right after I sent ts post, but now I > don't know where to get the H-> command. Is it in some library that > I am missing? 256 MENU I don't know if in the 49G+ ts library is attached by default, in case it's not, then first do 256 ATTACH. Beto Reply: Erase between the dot (inclusive) and the @. Responder: Borra la frase obvia y el punto previo. === Subject: Re: writing user RPL on my computer much , I figured that out right after I sent ts post, but now I don't know where to get the H-> command. Is it in some library that I am missing? > 256 MENU > I don't know if in the 49G+ ts library is attached by default, in case > it's not, then first do 256 ATTACH. === Subject: Re: 49g+ KEYBOARD question > Ok, > I know all people are tired about ts subject.. but I want > to say what I have to say... After playing with my NEW > 49g+ I just see sometng that could explain why the new > 49g+ are missing keypress... As all says it misses really > rarly keypress but when it does I tnk ts is due to the > Software. My tough on ts subect is based on the fact that > if you press two keys simultanouly, they simply don't register.. > So when the calc miss keypress, I tnk, that simply because we > type too fast and we presse two key without the needed interval > to make the two register... > Anyway, we'll see that in some new rom release since ts is probably > due to the Saturn Emulation Part.. > Fell free to argument on it.. but Please don't start with like > the keybord is st.. hp is.... We should need constructive > comments =)) > I also disagree with ts hypothesis. I had one of the first 49G+ and the keyboard was horrible. I did as most did and waited for the supposedly better keyboard to come out and exchanged calculators. I have had the new calc for about a week now, and IMHO the keyboard is worse. It may be a little quieter but it is missing keystrokes. I am a EE student and it is hard enough learning the equations but add to that the faulty keyboard, it is even worse. I find myself concentrating more on entering the data making sure that every keystoke is accepted. In concentrating more on the keystrokes, I have slowed down on how quickly I enter data, and make sure that I am trying to t one key at a time. Ts is not acceptable. I need to learn EE, not how to t buttons on a calculator. I thought that maybe it was a learning curve going from the 48GX to the 49G+, but it is not. I will go back to the 48 until HP decides to actually fix the problem and not try to bandaid it. Like others have said, I have cheap calculators that function a million times better than the 49G+ as far as the keyboard is concerned. Al Hughes === Subject: Re: 49g+ KEYBOARD question ! In my opinion, you are wrong. and I will tell you why. In my calc if you press for example the v key on its right corner but not hard enough and you hear a click the key won't register. but if you press on its left corner or just press harder it registers. It has notng to do with software. It happens also in few more keys but I believe the problem is your fingers and brain are getting used to the amount of pressure of the keys, and than comes a key that needs more pressure or different type of tting angle, and it doesn't register. If all the keys were stiff it was better cause now you have to remember during typing wch key has to be pressed harder. I tnk all the keys should have been made like the arrows keys (without the round shape of course). They are quieter and softer. I don't know what really happend during the hardware manufacturing. I hope I am wrong, cause I am getting tired of ts keyboard, and I get mad every time I use my mobile phone wch has a better keyboard than a powerful tool such as the hp49g+... === Subject: My 49G+ will not Factor (2^67-1) On my HP 49 emulator 2^67-1 is factored correctly. However on my real 49G+ it does not factor it. Could some one use their original not updated 49G+ and see if it will factor 2^67-1? === Subject: Re: My 49G+ will not Factor (2^67-1) > On my HP 49 emulator 2^67-1 is factored correctly. However on my real 49G+ > it does not factor it. Could some one use their original not updated 49G+ > and see if it will factor 2^67-1? My 49 emulator (the one from HP) gets the same wrong answer as my 49g+ but the fast version of the same emulator gets the correct answer! === Subject: Re: My 49G+ will not Factor (2^67-1) > On my HP 49 emulator 2^67-1 is factored correctly. However on my real 49G+ > it does not factor it. Could some one use their original not updated > 49G+ > and see if it will factor 2^67-1? > My 49 emulator (the one from HP) gets the same wrong answer as my 49g+ but > the fast version of the same emulator gets the correct answer! > Interesting..at least I know my 49G+ is working like it should. Is your fast emulator the one by Sebastien Carlier called EMU48? That's the one I use. As a side note...the original TI92 does not factor it, but the TI92 with Plus Module does. === Subject: Re: My 49G+ will not Factor (2^67-1) > On my HP 49 emulator 2^67-1 is factored correctly. However on my real 49G+ > it does not factor it. Could some one use their original not updated 49G+ > and see if it will factor 2^67-1? My 49 emulator (the one from HP) gets the same wrong answer as my 49g+ but the fast version of the same emulator gets the correct answer! > Interesting..at least I know my 49G+ is working like it should. Is your > fast emulator the one by Sebastien Carlier called EMU48? That's the one I > use. As a side note...the original TI92 does not factor it, but the TI92 > with Plus Module does. The programs I use are Yuser and Yuserfast. Those are the ones HP offered to the public when the 49 was introduced. === Subject: Programming Question boundary=------------734AC7D41DA86DB2199AC315 --------------------------------------------------------------------- I am trying to evaluate the following expression as part of a program: 'a' = IP ((FP 'x'/'y') *'y'), where IP = the integer portion command, FP = the fractional portion command. My problem is that I get an invalid syntax error on the nested FP. When I evaluate ts expression using the equation writer, my HP has no problem understanding what I am trying to do. My understanding from AUG is that IP and FP are prefix operations, so they should evaluate the nearest expression. Is nesting the FP fatal (or am I not nesting it correctly)? Is there a more graceful method of programming to avoid ts problem? Boersma --------------------------------------------------------------------- name=m_e_boersma.vcf Content-Description: Card for Boersma filename=m_e_boersma.vcf begin:vcard n:Boersma; tel;fax:(616) 375-3107 tel;work:(616) 720-1409 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:m_e_boersma@voyager.net x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn: E. Boersma end:vcard --------------734AC7D41DA86DB2199AC315-- === Subject: Re: Programming Question Try using << x y / FP y * IP >> instead of trying to evaluate the expression.(Programmed in RPN mode not ALG) Lee === Subject: hp49g bug in 3d grapng window? hey i have ts really strange problem on my 49g. every time i go and edit the window settings it resets the independent steps to 2 after i leave. the only way i can graph tngs in 3d is edit the variable manually and then go straight to the graph screen. it is only like ts on the 3d modes, and is still there after a complete reset of ALL (and i mean all) the memory. has anybody else had a similar problem/know how to fix it? === Subject: Re: hp49g bug in 3d grapng window? > hey i have ts really strange problem on my 49g. every time i go and > edit the window settings it resets the independent steps to 2 after > i leave. the only way i can graph tngs in 3d is edit the variable > manually and then go straight to the graph screen. it is only like > ts on the 3d modes, and is still there after a complete reset of ALL > (and i mean all) the memory. has anybody else had a similar > problem/know how to fix it? Ts one has been around for ages. Doing 0. RES seems to make it go away. === Subject: Re: HP 33s questions Apparently Walmart had a special deal with hp to sell the first batches. However general release is expected sometime ts month. I guess due to some US exams deman is gh so it might be hard to get them before April (they sell over US$ 300 on ebay) === Subject: Re: HP-33S could have been nice if... > ...you could see the fing decimal point! Agreed! The only quasi-solution that I've found is to change the display mode to FIX or SCI. In those modes the decimal point doesn't need to be visible because it's in a fixed position. It's a sucky and annoying workaround, but I find it less sucky and annoying than trying to find a microscopic decimal point. For the severely visually impair a little program that puts the integer part in the Y register and the fraction part in the X register might be a useful tng to have in memory. === Subject: Re: HP-33S could have been nice if... > ...you could see the fing decimal point! > Ts is such a disappointment. It's VERY difficult to see, even when set to > display a 'comma'. > My 32SII's decimal point is very easy to see. Same with my 48SX and GX. All > my other HP's have had easy-to-see decimal points. > What in the HELL is with HP, these days? Do they do Beta testing -- and if > so, listen to the feedback? HP doesn't design them anymore---they outsource. > === Subject: Re: IRDA link between HP 48G and HP 49G+ ? > Are they both set to 115,200? Yes. Well, the 49g+ defaults to 115,200, and I've set the transfer program on my pocket pc to max at 115,200 also. > 48G is 4800 IIRC, the 49g+ can be set to ts speed.... So can the 48g transfer files with the 49g+ via IrDA? I'm just curious. Dave === Subject: Re: IRDA link between HP 48G and HP 49G+ ? > What's that little cable extending from the DB-9 end? I expect that it's for an external power (battery or AC adapter) connection, wch would be required for using with a 48 or 49G, or anytng else that can't supply power from a non-data line, as a PC's serial port *should* be able to. Don't bother with an adapter that expects to steal power for the serial port, or requires a device driver, unless you intend to use it with a PC only. But in that case, why not use USB instead? I expect that USB can be added to a PC, as long as it's running MS Windows 98SE or gher, or a *nix OS. === Subject: Re: Who is ? Unfotunately Democracy got us George Bush as President. > Actually, not. Technically, Junior Bush was appoint not elected. > So democracy is rather distantly associated at best with the > disaster that is BushCo. Appointed? How do you figure? The losers took it to the SC, the SC said tough you lose. That's that. > Oh, and who the hell cares who or what is? She's smart and > clear-head wch is all I (or anyone here should) care about. === Subject: Re: Who is ? should have expected that snipe from an academician. > Who is ? > > In comp.sys.hp48, she says she is leading a research group and in the > physics department of an Ivy-League university. > > Since has chosen to de her identity wle trolling publicly, I > have done likewise. You worked in your Bureau office for tooooooo long. Who is is not important. We need different voices and views, sometimes I agree, sometimes I don't. But I admire and support 110%. That is democracy all about. > Unfotunately Democracy got us George Bush as President. But then > that is another can of worms. === Subject: Re: Who is ? > I tnk it is funny that we assume to be female. > I tnk it is not so funny that ts poster (who apparently hails from > a Latin American country) > b) tnks that it matters whether or not I am female. > -- . I'm sorry. I hope I didn't give the impression that I in any way find your gender relevant. I was merely stating [rhetorically] my observation that folks all assume you are female when no one knows for certain. I believe there have been posters in the past in ts group who were male and portrayed themselves otherwise. And by the way, was the statement about from where I hail meant to be humorous? My name is indeed Spanish in origin but I am in Texas. Oh, wait. I get it now.... ~/.signature === Subject: Re: Who is ? As long as the subject's come up.... , have you ever been to Troy? Rich :-) === Subject: Re: Who is ? > Marc Murison replied: > Unfotunately Democracy got us George Bush as President. Actually, not. Technically, Junior Bush was appoint not elected. > Technically, no president is elected. > Look up the electoral college. I'll help. > http://www.fec.gov/pages/ecworks.htm So democracy is rather distantly associated at best with the disaster that is BushCo. > Bush is not the first president to win when someone else had > the majority vote. But the popular vote has never determined > the winner of the presidential election anywho. > Note, I'm not defending Bush or anyone else. In ts case I > cannot even determine the lesser of the two evils. > Rich Oh, and who the hell cares who or what is? She's smart and clear-head wch is all I (or anyone here should) care about. The way the U.S. president is elected after a long process, where people from different parties acroos the nation choose their candidates, and where all citizens are invited to vote (remember: you have to register first to vote, there is notng like a government controlled list where you appear) is a very nice example of democracy for the rest of the world. For me, president Bush, who was chosen by the U.S. people following a more than 200 year old system, has done the right tng (yes, Irak war included), and either way he did what he thought it was the best for s country. And that doesn't discard m as a legally elected president. The problem is that some people (mostly those liberal minds only repecting their own ideas) do not like m and therefore cast doubts about the legality of s mandate; unfortunately for them, tngs have happened the way they did, not the way the would have liked to. And it is democracy still, though they don't like it; probably, they prefer Sadam as the new candidate. === Subject: politics (was Re: Who is ?) A bunch of typical partisan blather. How about taking it to a political newsgroup? , === Subject: Re: politics (was Re: Who is ?) Ed Falis replied: > A bunch of typical partisan blather. > How about taking it to a political newsgroup? You mean RPN vs algebraic ain't political? You mean HP vs TI ain't political? Ya larn sumtin neew darn neer avary dai. :-) Rich > , > === Subject: Re: politics (was Re: Who is ?) > Ed Falis replied: > A bunch of typical partisan blather. > You mean RPN vs algebraic ain't political? > You mean HP vs TI ain't political? Pikers. You haven't lived until you've been through an emacs-vs-vi battle... .-. .-. .---. .---. .-..-. | Experts in Linux/Unix: www.WildOpenSource.com | |__ / | | |-< | |-< > / | Making the bazaar more commonplace `----'`-^-'`-'`-'`-'`-' `-' | Check out my new novel: Cloud Realm at: home: www.smith-house.org | http://www.smith-house.org/books/list.html === Subject: Re: politics (was Re: Who is ?) > Pikers. You haven't lived until you've been through an emacs-vs-vi > battle... I have a plan to make available a simple sysRPL environment I am using. Should I call it VI? === Subject: Re: politics (was Re: Who is ?) Larry Smith replied: > Ed Falis replied: >> A bunch of typical partisan blather. > You mean RPN vs algebraic ain't political? > You mean HP vs TI ain't political? > Pikers. You haven't lived until you've been through an emacs-vs-vi > battle... Like, do you use emacs? Rich === Subject: Re: politics (was Re: Who is ?) > A bunch of typical partisan blather. > How about taking it to a political newsgroup? How about asking the same of the several other people who brought up the subject with criticism of Bush? Or are only Bush *supporters* not welcome to post off-topic political comments? (I'd rather not see *any* political stuff here, but if anti-Bush comments are going to be made, it seems a bit unfair to single out pro-Bush replies for criticism.) Wayne Brown (HPCC #1104) | When your tail's in a crack, you improvise fwbrown@bellsouth.net | if you're good enough. Otherwise you give | your pelt to the trapper. e^(i*pi) = -1 -- Euler | -- John Myers Myers, Silverlock === Subject: Re: politics (was Re: Who is ?) > (I'd rather not see *any* political stuff here, but if anti-Bush comments > are going to be made, it seems a bit unfair to single out pro-Bush > replies for criticism.) I agree with you; I missed the earlier ones, though I guess I could have assumed there were some to provoke the message I replied to. === Subject: Re: politics (was Re: Who is ?) > (I'd rather not see *any* political stuff here, but if anti-Bush comments > are going to be made, it seems a bit unfair to single out pro-Bush > replies for criticism.) > I agree with you; I missed the earlier ones, though I guess I could have > assumed there were some to provoke the message I replied to. Fair enough. There's plenty of on-topic stuff to fight over, without dragging in the off-topic stuff too. :-) Wayne Brown (HPCC #1104) | When your tail's in a crack, you improvise fwbrown@bellsouth.net | if you're good enough. Otherwise you give | your pelt to the trapper. e^(i*pi) = -1 -- Euler | -- John Myers Myers, Silverlock === Subject: Re: politics (was Re: Who is ?) > Fair enough. There's plenty of on-topic stuff to fight over, without > dragging in the off-topic stuff too. :-) Yep, and I'm guessing there's going to be enough heated discussion about that off-topic stuff elsewhere in the next 8 months. Sorry to have inflamed the situation here. === Subject: Still no luck transposing simple formula on 49g+ I've entered ... '1/(2*PI*SQRT(L*C))' 'L' ISOL and calc returns ... ISOL Error: No solution found Any clues as to what I'm still doing wrong? Note: I'm entring the appropriate symbols for PI and SQRT - just don't know how to express them in text for the NG. === Subject: Re: Still no luck transposing simple formula on 49g+ It works with 'A= 1/(2*PI*SQRT(L*C))' Result 'L=-.25/-(pi^2.*C*A^2.)' Use SIMPLIFY go get rid of the minus signs (wch unfortunately combines pi^2 and 4). Substiture 1 for A. > > I've entered ... > '1/(2*PI*SQRT(L*C))' > 'L' > ISOL > and calc returns ... > ISOL Error: No solution found === Subject: Re: Still no luck transposing simple formula on 49g+ === Subject: Re: Symbolic substitution (hp49g+)? > Is there a built in method to join multiple equations (including more > than two) connected by a common variable? > For example, given two equations: A = B * C; and D = B / E > I'm seeking a result that would take the form: D = (A / C) / E > (Parenthesis for emphasis only, not needed in actual result). > In rpn: > [ A=B*C D=B/E] [D] > doesn't seem to do it for me with ISOL, SOLV, or EVAL > for your help. >Starting with Stack: >'A=B*C' >'D=B/E' >'B' > ISOL [ENTER] >'A=B*C' >'B=E*D' > SUBST [ENTER] >'A=E*D*C' > 'D' ISOL [ENTER] >'D=A/(E*C)' >[VPN] === Subject: Re: [OT] Attention someone who reads ts group and lives near Z.9frich Switzerland... >...your computer is spamming me with the W32.Netsky.D@mm worm. I've >received two e-mails from similar IP's over the past 2 days : > 183.58.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch ( 83.77.58.183 ) > 40.57.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch ( 83.76.57.40 ) >Both sources report their location as : > Z.9frich (47.367N, 8.550E) >According to a portscan, you have open SMTP ( 25 ) and POP3 ( 110 ) >ports on your system, wch probably means that you're still infected >yet another spam list. >Get the removal instructions from here : >http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.netsky.d@mm.htm l >or disconnect your computer. Or, I can contact your ISP and have them >do it for you. :) 2 more infected e-mails. I've just sent an e-mail to your ISP's abuse address. :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- before replying. === Subject: new to group; couple of quick questions please Looks like a good group, glad I found it. I have a couple of quick questions: --Is there a FAQ somewhere for ts group? If so, can you direct me to it? --I'm realizing for the first time since I bought my 48GX some long time ago, that I'd sure like to have a nice keyboard overlay for it like I do with my even more venerable 41CV. Do they make them? If so, can someone direct me to a source of blank ones? Or, does anyone out there have some sort of grapc file (like AutoCAD, that would be very cool; or, whatever) with the basic design of such an overlay? Charley Hale Lafayette CO