A319 Fantastic now things are working. now working :-) === Subject: Re: Getting started on the HP49g+ > Can somebody help me get started with the HP49g+ System RPL > programming. > I assume that I have to type in the program code, store it as a > variable in the Home directory, then use the ASM or ASM2 command to > assemble the code into an executable. I've not seen this stated > anywhere but it seems to be a fair bet. So I decided to try the example > program on page 4 of 'Programming in System RPL' by Kalinowski and > Dominik. These are the very frustrating results: > 1. Typed in the program from page 4 which calculates the area of a > circle:- > :: > CK1NOLASTWD > CK&DISPATCH1 > BINT1 :: > %2 %^ > %PI > %* > 2. Pressed the ENTER button and received an 'Invalid Syntax' message > pointing to %^. Hope this is not an insulting question but did you type all of this inside ? -- Vote for Pedro === Subject: graphical programing posting-account=UUNEEQ0AAABH0Osd2voGPY9Ezp7GRs30 hello i am new with this subject i alredy know hoe to program with out graphics, but i would like to know how to program with a graphic interface like the programs i dawnload from www.hpcalc.org i have a hp49g+ === Subject: Re: graphical programing posting-account=O6knhQ0AAAD8zE21TyMVwtCasYnRdHOm hello, if you download hpgcc package it comes with some example programs like a tetris game. i dont know about sysrpl or user-rpl examples coz im new too. === Subject: Help, Can not transfer files to my hp49g and hp48gx posting-account=G_yD8A0AAAAQ8pt9_q6C2i6L_vQAibxL I am using HP Graphing Calculator PC Connectivity Kit 3.0 to download files to my HP49G and HP48GX. The files are from hpcalc.org. However, when I drag and drop the files to my calculator, it says: not a valid filename. Please confirm or enter the new name below. My file name is FT2, a very simple and legal name. I try other files, the same warning window pops up.I can not process the transfer. My calculator is in Awaiting Server Cmd mode. My calculator pass the connectivity check. I can delete files in my calculator from my PC. What went wrong? What kind of file name should I use? David === Subject: Debug4x patch for bug reported by GaaK Now fixed. Download revised Debug4x.exe at: http://debug4x.home.netcom.com/Debug4x_p68.zip -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bill Graves RKBA! bgraves@ix.netcom.com === Subject: Re: Debug4x patch for bug reported by GaaK posting-account=JsAn3AwAAADGls087ebx6zXiNzDiYoQ3 New bug? Debug 4x v2.2 Build 69 File contains: DEFINE IfObInt TWENTYEIGHT ( was zint ) Uhmm?... I believe that it should be this way: DEFINE IfObInt BINT255d ( was zint ) This one can see when creating a Inform: - Open Inform Edit - Add New Label (type Text) - Check types: Real, Zint - Press Generate Source You will obtain in Source Box: { IfObReal IfObInt } ( Allowed Types ) - Build the project - Transfer this program to your HP49 - Execute the program - Select the Label - Press the [NXT] key - Press TYPES You will obtain: +----------------------+ |Valid object Type | +----------------------+ |RealNum | |Error, Unknown Type | +----------------------+ Uhmmm, If you replace IfObInt -> BINT255d, you will obtain: +----------------------+ |Valid object Type | +----------------------+ |RealNum | |Integer | +----------------------+ Yeah! August 25, 2005 www.gaak.org - GaaK - === Subject: Re: Debug4x patch for bug reported by GaaK - IfObInt I have doubts about BINT255d. On the HP48 this was TWENTY for a BINT. Perhaps it should still be TWENTY for a BINT and not BINT255d for a ZINT? -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bill Graves RKBA! bgraves@ix.netcom.com > New bug? > Debug 4x v2.2 Build 69 > File contains: > DEFINE IfObInt TWENTYEIGHT ( was zint ) > Uhmm?... I believe that it should be this way: > DEFINE IfObInt BINT255d ( was zint ) > This one can see when creating a Inform: > - Open Inform Edit > - Add New Label (type Text) > - Check types: Real, Zint > - Press Generate Source > You will obtain in Source Box: > { IfObReal IfObInt } ( Allowed Types ) > - Build the project > - Transfer this program to your HP49 > - Execute the program > - Select the Label > - Press the [NXT] key > - Press TYPES > You will obtain: > +----------------------+ > |Valid object Type | > +----------------------+ > |RealNum | > |Error, Unknown Type | > +----------------------+ > Uhmmm, If you replace IfObInt -> BINT255d, you will obtain: > +----------------------+ > |Valid object Type | > +----------------------+ > |RealNum | > |Integer | > +----------------------+ > Yeah! > August 25, 2005 > www.gaak.org > - GaaK - === Subject: how to disassemble a program using debug4x ? posting-account=O6knhQ0AAAD8zE21TyMVwtCasYnRdHOm hello: Is it possible to disassemble an hp program file ( blah.hp ) back to sysrpl ( if it was written in sysrpl ) using debug4x ? that would certainly improve my learning of the language. ps: here is my first sysrpl, it gives the name and number of object type in level one, YAY to me :P :: CK1 { real cmplx str real arr cmplx arr list global name local name program alg obj user bint grob tagged obj unit obj XLIB name dir lib backup obj built-in fnct built-in cmd internal bint extnd real extnd cmplx linked arr char obj code obj lib data minifont int symb vec/matrix font } SWAP ( lst obj ) XEQTYPE ( lst obj type ) DUP ( lst obj type type' ) ROTDROP ( lst type type' ) COERCE ( lst %type #type ) ROTSWAP ( %type lst #type ) #1+ ( list is one based ) NTHELCOMP ( type str? f ) IT ( type str? ) :: ( type str ) $ name ( type str str' ) >TAG ( type tag ) SWAP ( tag type ) ; $ value ( tag? type str ) >TAG ( tag? tag' ) ; === Subject: Re: how to disassemble a program using debug4x ? AFAIR debug4x also has a disassembler/decompiler. Congrats for your first SysRPL prog. You could improve it by using the built-in string constants instead of the strings themselves. Hint: JstGETTHEMESG is the key;-) Raymond Error0x4c schrieb im Newsbeitrag > hello: > Is it possible to disassemble an hp program file ( blah.hp ) back to > sysrpl ( if it was written in sysrpl ) using debug4x ? that would > certainly improve my learning of the language. > ps: > here is my first sysrpl, it gives the name and number of object type in > level one, YAY to me :P > > :: > CK1 > real cmplx str real arr cmplx arr > list global name local name program alg obj > user bint grob tagged obj unit obj XLIB name > dir lib backup obj built-in fnct > built-in cmd internal bint extnd real extnd cmplx > linked arr char obj code obj lib data minifont > int symb vec/matrix font > SWAP ( lst obj ) > XEQTYPE ( lst obj type ) > DUP ( lst obj type type' ) > ROTDROP ( lst type type' ) > COERCE ( lst %type #type ) > ROTSWAP ( %type lst #type ) > #1+ ( list is one based ) > NTHELCOMP ( type str? f ) > IT ( type str? ) > :: ( type str ) > $ name ( type str str' ) > >TAG ( type tag ) > SWAP ( tag type ) > $ value ( tag? type str ) >>TAG ( tag? tag' ) > === Subject: Re: how to disassemble a program using debug4x ? > AFAIR debug4x also has a disassembler/decompiler. Emu48 yes, only for display, but not debug4x... JY === Subject: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? posting-account=L8x4YQ0AAADtpf_klHFqoPGjVS6clfnr Hello ! I am trying to make my HP49G+ communicate with my Magellan GPS. It was really easy the opposite way (from the GPS to HP49G+) but when I prepare a file to be transfer to the GPS, the HP49G+ set a header in the file (HPHP49-X,*>A) that makes the GPS not to recognize it. So question is: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header when I try to write a file on the HP49G+? Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? > Hello ! <...> > So question is: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header when I try to > write a file on the HP49G+? you might want to try the following little program, written in HP-GCC. #include int main() { #define STRINGSIZE 1024 //make it large enough to fit your needs... unsigned stack = sat_stack_init(); char string_data[STRINGSIZE]; char filename[32]; FILE *f; sat_stack_pop_string(filename); sat_stack_pop_string(string_data); f = fopen(filename,w); fputs(string_data,f); fclose(f); sat_stack_exit(stack); return 0; } Put the string to store in stack level #2 and the filename (as a String as well) in stack level #1. The string data is written as a regular text file to the SD card. You can consider it being tested and functional. Welcome! ibl http://hpgcc.org -- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. --Albert Einstein === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? Is there a possibility to make the program define itself the value of the variable STRINGSIZE in accord with the length of your string ? Ingo Blank a .8ecrit dans le message >> Hello ! > <...> >> So question is: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header when I try to >> write a file on the HP49G+? > you might want to try the following little program, written in HP-GCC. > #include > int > main() > #define STRINGSIZE 1024 > //make it large enough to fit your needs... > unsigned stack = sat_stack_init(); > char string_data[STRINGSIZE]; > char filename[32]; > FILE *f; > sat_stack_pop_string(filename); > sat_stack_pop_string(string_data); > f = fopen(filename,w); > fputs(string_data,f); > fclose(f); > sat_stack_exit(stack); > return 0; > Put the string to store in stack level #2 and the filename (as a String as > well) in stack level #1. > The string data is written as a regular text file to the SD card. > You can consider it being tested and functional. > Welcome! > ibl > http://hpgcc.org > -- > Only two things are infinite, > the universe and human stupidity, > and I'm not sure about the former. > --Albert Einstein === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? > Is there a possibility to make the program define itself the value of the > variable STRINGSIZE in accord with the length of your string ? Yes. So I implemented a function 'sat_stack_pop_string_alloc()', which allocates it's memory autonomously, depending on the pushed data size. The routine must be prepared for Subversion check-in. I guess I'll do it today in the afternoon. When you wait until tonight after 01:00 CEST, you can download a fresh binary library build. Just go to the http://hpgcc.org web site and follow the instructions. best ibl -- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. --Albert Einstein === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? Ingo Blank a .8ecrit dans le message >> Is there a possibility to make the program define itself the value of the >> variable STRINGSIZE in accord with the length of your string ? > Yes. > So I implemented a function 'sat_stack_pop_string_alloc()', which > allocates > it's memory autonomously, depending on the pushed data size. > The routine must be prepared for Subversion check-in. > I guess I'll do it today in the afternoon. > When you wait until tonight after 01:00 CEST, you can download a fresh > binary library build. Just go to the http://hpgcc.org web site and follow > the instructions. > best > ibl > -- > Only two things are infinite, > the universe and human stupidity, > and I'm not sure about the former. > --Albert Einstein BTW, I had to copy individually the definition of sat_check_type() and sat_stack_pop_string() in the source file in order to compile it. Is there a way to avoid this ? Christophe === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? <...> > BTW, I had to copy individually the definition of sat_check_type() and > sat_stack_pop_string() in the source file in order to compile it. Is there > a way to avoid this ? I checked the 'saturn.h' header file and both functions are properly declared. Have you included the right headers and are you using a *recent* version? I believe the person, who initially checked in the 'sat_stack_pop_string()' function, simply forgot the header entry. That has been fixed in the meantime. BTW, the new self allocating pick/pop functions are checked in. For a binary library rebuild you have to wait until tonight. If it's urgent, you can check-out the svn repository and build it yourself. best ibl -- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. --Albert Einstein === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? I've searched in the svn repository, and I didn't find the function 'sat_stack_pop_string_alloc()'. Concerning the version of HPGCC, I use the following file : hpgcc11b.zip (version 1.1b normally). I have checked the file saturn.h which is in the package, and it doesn't have the definition of the functions. Is there a way to get a more recent version of HPGCC ? Christophe Ingo Blank a .8ecrit dans le message > <...> >> BTW, I had to copy individually the definition of sat_check_type() and >> sat_stack_pop_string() in the source file in order to compile it. Is >> there >> a way to avoid this ? > I checked the 'saturn.h' header file and both functions are properly > declared. Have you included the right headers and are you using a *recent* > version? > I believe the person, who initially checked in the > 'sat_stack_pop_string()' > function, simply forgot the header entry. > That has been fixed in the meantime. > BTW, the new self allocating pick/pop functions are checked in. > For a binary library rebuild you have to wait until tonight. > If it's urgent, you can check-out the svn repository and build it > yourself. > best > ibl > -- > Only two things are infinite, > the universe and human stupidity, > and I'm not sure about the former. > --Albert Einstein === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? > I've searched in the svn repository, and I didn't find the function > 'sat_stack_pop_string_alloc()'. No. The function is mapped by a macro in saturn,h > Concerning the version of HPGCC, I use the following file : hpgcc11b.zip > (version 1.1b normally). That's definitely too old. > I have checked the file saturn.h which is in the package, and it doesn't > have the definition of the functions. (see above...) > Is there a way to get a more recent version of HPGCC ? yes. Download a nightly snapshot, as suggested. http://hpgcc.org/ruby/nightly?doc=0 That's a tar.gz file, but I think you find a way to unpack it :) ibl > Christophe -- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. --Albert Einstein === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? Ingo Blank a .8ecrit dans le message >> I've searched in the svn repository, and I didn't find the function >> 'sat_stack_pop_string_alloc()'. > No. > The function is mapped by a macro in saturn,h >> Concerning the version of HPGCC, I use the following file : hpgcc11b.zip >> (version 1.1b normally). > That's definitely too old. >> I have checked the file saturn.h which is in the package, and it doesn't >> have the definition of the functions. > (see above...) >> Is there a way to get a more recent version of HPGCC ? > yes. > Download a nightly snapshot, as suggested. > http://hpgcc.org/ruby/nightly?doc=0 > That's a tar.gz file, but I think you find a way to unpack it :) > ibl >> Christophe > -- > Only two things are infinite, > the universe and human stupidity, > and I'm not sure about the former. > --Albert Einstein === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? <42fa33a9_2@news.arcor-ip.de> posting-account=L8x4YQ0AAADtpf_klHFqoPGjVS6clfnr Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? > Hello ! > I am trying to make my HP49G+ communicate with my Magellan GPS. > It was really easy the opposite way (from the GPS to HP49G+) but when I > prepare a file to be transfer to the GPS, the HP49G+ set a header in > the file (HPHP49-X,*>A) that makes the GPS not to recognize it. > So question is: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header when I try to > write a file on the HP49G+? > Daniel Your idea sounds very interesting ! But what does your program exactly do ? Does it manipulate a list of waypoints ? or tracks ? ( because the Magellan already enables you to do all these sorts of things ). Christophe === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? <42f7bc1a$0$7477$636a15ce@news.free.fr> posting-account=L8x4YQ0AAADtpf_klHFqoPGjVS6clfnr When working in the forest it is VERY important to know how dense is the forest, this is measured mainly with the diameter of the trees related to the space in between them. I use the GPS to know the real spacing in between the trees, and then make a relation of this spacment with the width, height, sanity, class, etc, of the corresponding trees of certain area. After knowing the density of the piece of land, you sometimes want to make prescriptions: cut some trees, or plant new ones to improve the growth rate of the trees in this area, or improve sanity of trees, or fix the soil protection to fires or other objectives you should want to do get. So, I can know select which trees I wish to cut or where you should plant them, but want to send their locations to the GPS so the field manager can find their location later, with the GPS, and do whatever is recomended. I wish to make all the analysis, selection, AND PRESCRIPTION in the field, so I can make recomendations and review the final status of the forest after recomendations in the same trip, not requiring me to go out to the office and back again to the field to evalaute in the field the recomendations set. Magellan can not relate waypoints to the width of the trees, or their volume, or sanity or type, etc, this is made on the HP49G+ now. Neither can calculate the area of a certain track. So, communication in both ways is VERY IMPORTANT, to finish in the field the analysis required and prescription set. Some day in the future, maybe we can have something like Qonos that could integrate a GPS and have a Cell phone so I can do everything in the forest and not need to go out for anythin, but this is a dream by now ... actual combination of HP49G+ with the Magellan GPS seems to work fine for the present state of the art. Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? > When working in the forest it is VERY important to know how dense is > the forest, this is measured mainly with the diameter of the trees > related to the space in between them. I use the GPS to know the real > spacing in between the trees, and then make a relation of this spacment > with the width, height, sanity, class, etc, of the corresponding trees > of certain area. > After knowing the density of the piece of land, you sometimes want to > make prescriptions: cut some trees, or plant new ones to improve the > growth rate of the trees in this area, or improve sanity of trees, or > fix the soil protection to fires or other objectives you should want to > do get. > So, I can know select which trees I wish to cut or where you should > plant them, but want to send their locations to the GPS so the field > manager can find their location later, with the GPS, and do whatever is > recomended. > I wish to make all the analysis, selection, AND PRESCRIPTION in the > field, so I can make recomendations and review the final status of the > forest after recomendations in the same trip, not requiring me to go > out to the office and back again to the field to evalaute in the > field the recomendations set. > Magellan can not relate waypoints to the width of the trees, or their > volume, or sanity or type, etc, this is made on the HP49G+ now. Neither > can calculate the area of a certain track. So, communication in both > ways is VERY IMPORTANT, to finish in the field the analysis required > and prescription set. > Some day in the future, maybe we can have something like Qonos that > could integrate a GPS and have a Cell phone so I can do everything in > the forest and not need to go out for anythin, but this is a dream by > now ... actual combination of HP49G+ with the Magellan GPS seems to > work fine for the present state of the art. > Daniel It's always surprising to see all the different possibilities that a GPS receiver can offer ... I now understand what you intend to do. I must admit that putting a commentary on a certain waypoint (with the Magellan and the Garmin as well) is not something easy and takes a lot of time (besides, I think you are limited in the number of characters). However, I don't know if the bad quality of reception of the GPS signals in a dense forest (even with a Meridian), will let you to do precise mesures ... the field manager could take a tree for another one. Have you already tested your system in real conditions ? I mean, have you asked someone to find a tree with only its coordinates ? Christophe === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? <42f7bc1a$0$7477$636a15ce@news.free.fr> <42f85863$0$28113$626a14ce@news.free.fr> posting-account=L8x4YQ0AAADtpf_klHFqoPGjVS6clfnr Yes, but it is not only coordinates, and it is much better than some other technics. We use at least three of them. When measuring trees we number them with paint, tag them with an aluminium piece and writhe its number, and mark its position (GPS or with compass and meter) All this notes go to the HP49G+ in a certain type of database, together with its with, type, heigth, sanity, crown position, etc. Paint help to look at trees from long distance (15 - 30 mts) but sometimes paint just go off because of rainfall, tree grouth etc, so we need to look at its tag, but sometimes tag goes off, or the tree falls down, soy you got to confirm it is (was) the tree because its position. The best technic should be teach the trees to talk and identify themselves when you ask them but... this is not going to happen. We have found that trees shadow does not affect GPS precission that much. Natural trees are normally between 10 to 25 mts, enough to identify trees in the worst precition we have on GPS understory conditions. The worst limitation is topography. Sometimes you are in an exposed hill and there is no trouble, but then you have to go down, to a river side, and the hills got close into a narrow valley. There you have much more troubles, beacuse in this narrow valleys trees tend to be closer and GPS tend to loose stellite access. of trees, at least 200 species in a 200 Has farm, so it is really easy to know if the tree you ar looking for is an Ajo that is really different from a Cristobal or Almendro just beside one to the other. And when there are two Ajos beside, they tend to have different size, one much bigger than the other, so again you can know which one you are looking for. Finally if the trees are so close, same kind and have same size, must of time does not matter if you cut one or the other, is not a big change on prescription. So there is the very first introductory class to Dasometry (tree / forest mensuration). Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? Since you combine different tools, innocent trees won't be cut. (well, normally) ;-) I feel reassured ... Personally, I made different tests with a Meridian Platinum in dense forest (compared with 10-25 meters), and obviously, the receivers detects less signals, and indirectly the precision is affected. I don't know whether you manage to have a WAAS signal in your zone, but this can help as it can also add a certain degree of imprecision. Therefore, if you see that this alters the precision, don't hesitate to disable the functionality. Finally, it's a pleasure to see that the Meridian and the HP49g+ are nearly in perfect synergy. Very good documentation for the Meridian : http://gpsinformation.net/MeridianFAQv2_0.pdf > Yes, but it is not only coordinates, and it is much better than some > other technics. > We use at least three of them. > When measuring trees we number them with paint, tag them with an > aluminium piece and writhe its number, and mark its position (GPS or > with compass and meter) All this notes go to the HP49G+ in a certain > type of database, together with its with, type, heigth, sanity, crown > position, etc. > Paint help to look at trees from long distance (15 - 30 mts) but > sometimes paint just go off because of rainfall, tree grouth etc, so we > need to look at its tag, but sometimes tag goes off, or the tree falls > down, soy you got to confirm it is (was) the tree because its position. > The best technic should be teach the trees to talk and identify > themselves when you ask them but... this is not going to happen. > We have found that trees shadow does not affect GPS precission that > much. Natural trees are normally between 10 to 25 mts, enough to > identify trees in the worst precition we have on GPS understory > conditions. > The worst limitation is topography. Sometimes you are in an exposed > hill and there is no trouble, but then you have to go down, to a river > side, and the hills got close into a narrow valley. There you have > much more troubles, beacuse in this narrow valleys trees tend to be > closer and GPS tend to loose stellite access. > of trees, at least 200 species in a 200 Has farm, so it is really easy > to know if the tree you ar looking for is an Ajo that is really > different from a Cristobal or Almendro just beside one to the > other. And when there are two Ajos beside, they tend to have > different size, one much bigger than the other, so again you can know > which one you are looking for. Finally if the trees are so close, > same kind and have same size, must of time does not matter if you cut > one or the other, is not a big change on prescription. > So there is the very first introductory class to Dasometry (tree / > forest mensuration). > Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? <42f7bc1a$0$7477$636a15ce@news.free.fr> <42f85863$0$28113$626a14ce@news.free.fr> <42f90649$0$23716$636a15ce@news.free.fr> posting-account=L8x4YQ0AAADtpf_klHFqoPGjVS6clfnr Wooow ! This information about Meridian is really good ! ! ! I mean for a newbe like me. But I am still not sure MapSend can do what I want ! ! ! I wish to have the map with some field details and I am trying to implement it with the OpenFire graph software in the HP49G+. Have you ever include some variable information on the GPS (like the water flow volume of a creek) ? Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? In fact, as I live in France, I have only Mapsend Streets & Europe, which only shows (as its name suggests) streets, roads, motorways ... but there isn't any topographical details. If you'd like to add variable information, you can always put a waypoint and write the information in the title (it's the easiest way as you will see at the end of the message). Concerning the implementation with OpenFire, I must say that I am quite sceptical. Indeed, the detail map that Mapsend produces in the file that it puts on the SD-Card, uses NavTech data, and even though the format is opened (you can have the specifications), it's very difficult to understand something, and to manipulate such data (for example : to add a street, a name, a hotel ...). But if you are relly interested in the format, I've searched and you can have the SDAL specification (the famous format) at the following address : http://www.navteq.com/sdalformat/formatspec.html (you only have to register to download the PDF file, and it's free) Finally, I've read your other post, and I'm quite surprised to see that the U.S. army can modify the way its satellites are disposed in the sky. Are you sure this is not a coincidence ? Christophe > Wooow ! This information about Meridian is really good ! ! ! I mean > for a newbe like me. > But I am still not sure MapSend can do what I want ! ! ! > I wish to have the map with some field details and I am trying to > implement it with the OpenFire graph software in the HP49G+. Have you > ever include some variable information on the GPS (like the water flow > volume of a creek) ? > Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? <42f7bc1a$0$7477$636a15ce@news.free.fr> <42f85863$0$28113$626a14ce@news.free.fr> <42f90649$0$23716$636a15ce@news.free.fr> <42f9d539$0$7805$626a14ce@news.free.fr> posting-account=L8x4YQ0AAADtpf_klHFqoPGjVS6clfnr I have never in the past 5 years got more than 4 - 5 stellite signals, good enough to work, but its much better to have 10. Same as in L.A. California. I can not imagine other reason why we should have that satellite cover. Do you? Could be because of Huracaine season, but this are not climate satellites. Many years ago, when president Clinton came to Costa Rica, a good friend of mine show me the way they follow the president and the power of this Army Satellites (a bit differente from what we have now). but seems like we are having some of that kind of cover. Anyway, there is nothing we can do to stop the rain, other than keep a raincoat. Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? <42f7bc1a$0$7477$636a15ce@news.free.fr> <42f85863$0$28113$626a14ce@news.free.fr> <42f90649$0$23716$636a15ce@news.free.fr> posting-account=L8x4YQ0AAADtpf_klHFqoPGjVS6clfnr I do receive 2 WAAS satelite signals, and 10 normal satellites almost every day, so precission is really good. Sad to say this is because U.S. Army is opening their eyes, expecting to prevent attacs on Panam.87 canal, because of petroleoum trouble, and midwest political disturbs, but it is working fine for me, too. This kind of satellite cover has not being seeing before. What I only need is to comunicate back the HP49G+ to the Magellan GPS, without the need of a laptop in the middle, but I feel is not going to be easy. Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? GPS would be nice Magellan is goos, Garmin, too and TomTom Perhaps something on a Nokia 7110? Navicore? VPN I do receive 2 WAAS satelite signals, and 10 normal satellites almost every day, so precission is really good. Sad to say this is because U.S. Army is opening their eyes, expecting to prevent attacs on Panam.87 canal, because of petroleoum trouble, and midwest political disturbs, but it is working fine for me, too. This kind of satellite cover has not being seeing before. What I only need is to comunicate back the HP49G+ to the Magellan GPS, without the need of a laptop in the middle, but I feel is not going to be easy. Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? <42f7bc1a$0$7477$636a15ce@news.free.fr> <42f85863$0$28113$626a14ce@news.free.fr> posting-account=cDjNzQ0AAABYi8nSTqQBPwRMH3jHIbL8 Hmm. . . mark the sanity of the tree. I guess that is why my house creeps me out. It must have been made with a less than sane tree! =) TW === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? <42f7bc1a$0$7477$636a15ce@news.free.fr> <42f85863$0$28113$626a14ce@news.free.fr> posting-account=L8x4YQ0AAADtpf_klHFqoPGjVS6clfnr Sometimes clima makes normal wood do VERY EXTRANGE things ... Like in Atlanta. The have very different climate conditions within the same day, wood responds in some interesting ways. Where do you live ? Dry and hot, climates are best for wood ... and fire too. Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? posting-account=cDjNzQ0AAABYi8nSTqQBPwRMH3jHIbL8 Does it have xmodem support? Try using XMIT, XRECV and see what happens. Those are text only. I assume it is using the IrDA? TW === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? posting-account=L8x4YQ0AAADtpf_klHFqoPGjVS6clfnr Does not have IrDA, I am transfering files through the SD card ! Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? posting-account=d8X8zw0AAAB_Eo2ldj3HF5DzN42pN3GY I assume though that it has RS-232. In a short bit we'll have our data collector out. Then after that I will get the GPS stuff done and you can use it for rough mapping. mm precision instruments will take a while longer, but for rough stuff the hard part is already done. www.pssllc.com TW === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? posting-account=L8x4YQ0AAADtpf_klHFqoPGjVS6clfnr It does has a com port. but the HP40G+ does not. The SD card works just fine now, to pass the information from de GPS to the HP49G+, and I made the software that process it. what I am trying is having a feedback to the GPS after the analysis done on the HP. Will the data collector send feedback information to the GPS? Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? posting-account=d8X8zw0AAAB_Eo2ldj3HF5DzN42pN3GY Yes. It will be a fully fledged controlled for simple GPS units (conversion of SPC and UTM is implemented already) at first, and then later on I am going to implement survey grade units. These require a lot more speed to do the calculations and so much more work. TW === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? > Hello ! > I am trying to make my HP49G+ communicate with my Magellan GPS. > It was really easy the opposite way (from the GPS to HP49G+) but when I > prepare a file to be transfer to the GPS, the HP49G+ set a header in > the file (HPHP49-X,*>A) that makes the GPS not to recognize it. > So question is: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header when I try to > write a file on the HP49G+? Hey! Maybe Cyrille will give us a flag to stop the prepending of the header?! (or a separate command RAWSEND/RAWSAVE or whatever) VPN === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? hello, tell me exactly what is needed and I will see what I can do :-) I imagine that what he wants to do is store the content of a string in the SD card, but I would rather be sure before I go and start codding... cyrille >> Hello ! >> I am trying to make my HP49G+ communicate with my Magellan GPS. >> It was really easy the opposite way (from the GPS to HP49G+) but when I >> prepare a file to be transfer to the GPS, the HP49G+ set a header in >> the file (HPHP49-X,*>A) that makes the GPS not to recognize it. >> So question is: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header when I try to >> write a file on the HP49G+? > Hey! > Maybe Cyrille will give us a flag to stop the prepending of the header?! > (or a separate command RAWSEND/RAWSAVE or whatever) > VPN === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? <04KJe.4850$OZ6.3923@reader1.news.jippii.net> posting-account=L8x4YQ0AAADtpf_klHFqoPGjVS6clfnr YOU ARE ABSOLUTLY RIGHT !!! I just want to write in a file a string with out the heading. I can delete the heading on my Pc, but when I am in the RainForest, far from electricity, and heavy rainfalls, I don«t carry with me the laptop, so ... If the HP49G+ can write down the file WITHOUT the heading the GPS will recognize it (I have already test it already!) Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? hello, you can try the following code: SAVE A=DAT1.A R0=A.W D1+5 % R0=@Name A=DAT1.A A+10.A R0=A.W % R1=@string data D1=A D1+5 C=DAT1.A C-5.A B=C.A % B=SIZE P=9 $80B06 ?B=0.A { % B contain error code LC(5)3 ?B=C.A ->{ LC(5)$A03 GONC .sss % Interrupted error } LC(5)#33 C-B.A *.sss RSTK=C LOAD C=RSTK GOVLNG =ErrjmpC % Exit with specific error } LOADRPL it takes a string on level 2 and a name (ID) on level one and should work (I have not tested it...) give it a try.... YOU ARE ABSOLUTLY RIGHT !!! I just want to write in a file a string with out the heading. I can delete the heading on my Pc, but when I am in the RainForest, far from electricity, and heavy rainfalls, I don«t carry with me the laptop, so ... If the HP49G+ can write down the file WITHOUT the heading the GPS will recognize it (I have already test it already!) Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? I have tried it, and it has displayed : Error : Invalid DOS Name coPJe.10028$up2.9200@news.cpqcorp.net... > hello, > you can try the following code: > SAVE > A=DAT1.A R0=A.W D1+5 % R0=@Name > A=DAT1.A A+10.A R0=A.W % R1=@string data > D1=A D1+5 C=DAT1.A C-5.A B=C.A % B=SIZE > P=9 $80B06 > ?B=0.A { % B contain error code > LC(5)3 ?B=C.A ->{ > LC(5)$A03 GONC .sss % Interrupted error > } > LC(5)#33 C-B.A *.sss RSTK=C LOAD C=RSTK GOVLNG =ErrjmpC % Exit with > specific error > LOADRPL > it takes a string on level 2 and a name (ID) on level one and should work > (I have not tested it...) give it a try.... > YOU ARE ABSOLUTLY RIGHT !!! > I just want to write in a file a string with out the heading. > I can delete the heading on my Pc, but when I am in the RainForest, far > from electricity, and heavy rainfalls, I don«t carry with me the > laptop, so ... > If the HP49G+ can write down the file WITHOUT the heading the GPS will > recognize it (I have already test it already!) > Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? and if it works you could include it in the next ROM as STOSD > hello, > you can try the following code: > SAVE > A=DAT1.A R0=A.W D1+5 % R0=@Name > A=DAT1.A A+10.A R0=A.W % R1=@string data > D1=A D1+5 C=DAT1.A C-5.A B=C.A % B=SIZE > P=9 $80B06 > ?B=0.A { % B contain error code > LC(5)3 ?B=C.A ->{ > LC(5)$A03 GONC .sss % Interrupted error > } > LC(5)#33 C-B.A *.sss RSTK=C LOAD C=RSTK GOVLNG =ErrjmpC % Exit with > specific error > LOADRPL > it takes a string on level 2 and a name (ID) on level one and should work > (I have not tested it...) give it a try.... > YOU ARE ABSOLUTLY RIGHT !!! > I just want to write in a file a string with out the heading. > I can delete the heading on my Pc, but when I am in the RainForest, far > from electricity, and heavy rainfalls, I don«t carry with me the > laptop, so ... > If the HP49G+ can write down the file WITHOUT the heading the GPS will > recognize it (I have already test it already!) > Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? Just one person asking this from Cyrille and he will do it?! The HP support is excellent!! SUperb! I think that nay applications (Tim Wessman?) like surveying will find a new storage option very, very useful The SD card seems to be more that just an external storage It differentiates HP from rivals in a very remarkable way HP with SD 4ever! Long live Cyrille! Viva la France! VPN YOU ARE ABSOLUTLY RIGHT !!! I just want to write in a file a string with out the heading. I can delete the heading on my Pc, but when I am in the RainForest, far from electricity, and heavy rainfalls, I don«t carry with me the laptop, so ... If the HP49G+ can write down the file WITHOUT the heading the GPS will recognize it (I have already test it already!) Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? <04KJe.4850$OZ6.3923@reader1.news.jippii.net> posting-account=L8x4YQ0AAADtpf_klHFqoPGjVS6clfnr We are near 400 Forest Engineers / Biologists down here that will be glad to have this kind of instrument for field work. Maybe tourist guides, surveyors and road-civil engineers will like it too, just need to put the pieces together. So it is not only me. So, Veli... I think you are saying TI does not have this kind of support ! ! ! := ) Does it? Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? <04KJe.4850$OZ6.3923@reader1.news.jippii.net> posting-account=d8X8zw0AAAB_Eo2ldj3HF5DzN42pN3GY Umm. . . if you store a plain string into the SD card it will not have a header. Test String :3:TestStr STO will give you a plain text string on the SD card. If you COPY the text file from the calculator though using the filer, it will have the HP header because it is an HP file. Try recalling the contents of the string and storing it directly and you should have no problems. TW === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? > Umm. . . if you store a plain string into the SD card it will not have > a header. > Test String > :3:TestStr > STO > will give you a plain text string on the SD card. If you COPY the Yes it will put a header when stored on the card. But when you recall it, the header will be removed by the RCL command. When you store an object on the SD card, the hp49 automaticall add a HPHP49 header to it. You can check it by reading the file on a PC Jean-Yves === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? >> Umm. . . if you store a plain string into the SD card it will not have >> a header. >> Test String >> :3:TestStr >> STO >> will give you a plain text string on the SD card. If you COPY the > Yes it will put a header when stored on the card. > But when you recall it, the header will be removed by the RCL command. > When you store an object on the SD card, the hp49 automaticall add a > HPHP49 header to it. > You can check it by reading the file on a PC and what is expected from Cyrille @ HPQ is a new command STOSD that will not store the HPHP49 header on SD text files VPN === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? <04KJe.4850$OZ6.3923@reader1.news.jippii.net> posting-account=d8X8zw0AAAB_Eo2ldj3HF5DzN42pN3GY Hmm. . . nevermind. It doesn't put the header in. I really don't think it should through Cyrille. A plain text file with no header on the SD card functions perfectly. A simple test if it is a text file==noheader would be fine. TW === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? <04KJe.4850$OZ6.3923@reader1.news.jippii.net> posting-account=L8x4YQ0AAADtpf_klHFqoPGjVS6clfnr I have tried the :3: strint Name STO and it does set a header on the file stringname. You can see it when you TYPE the file in DOS format screen. In the normal windows screen does not show, but it is really there, took me a while to find it. I agree with you: Plain text with NO header is the answer. So I hope Cyrille can make header does not appear on STO function of a String, somehow. Daniel === Subject: Re: Is there any way to avoid the HP Header in HP49G+ File? <04KJe.4850$OZ6.3923@reader1.news.jippii.net> posting-account=d8X8zw0AAAB_Eo2ldj3HF5DzN42pN3GY You can do it with a simple peice of C in HPGCC. But seeing how I don't know either very well and have to go take my calculus final. . . i will let those more qualified answer you. TW === Subject: Math Xpander compatibility posting-account=i3UCPg0AAAAwQSpCf7-v8Zxg-S-MJm3T Does anyone know if the HP Math Xpander software for Pocket PC will run on the HP-IPAQ 1910/1945 series or Dell Axim X30 === Subject: Re: Math Xpander compatibility > Does anyone know if the HP Math Xpander software for Pocket PC will run > on the HP-IPAQ 1910/1945 series or Dell Axim X30 It will certainly run on this :) http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5798951801 ambanmba === Subject: Re: Math Xpander compatibility > Does anyone know if the HP Math Xpander software for Pocket PC will run > on the HP-IPAQ 1910/1945 series or Dell Axim X30 why don't you try? Xpander will run on all ARM based PocketPC === Subject: Re: Math Xpander compatibility <3lq8k1F13tp74U2@individual.net> posting-account=i3UCPg0AAAAwQSpCf7-v8Zxg-S-MJm3T I don't own a pocket PC, and I'm trying to decide which model to get that will run Xpander. longer using MIPS or ARM based CPU's === Subject: Re: Math Xpander compatibility <3lq8k1F13tp74U2@individual.net> posting-account=gYgTgw0AAAClvkM0RMboAlAQIUmMBrIJ > I don't own a pocket PC, and I'm trying to decide which model to get > that will run Xpander. > longer using > MIPS or ARM based CPU's Really? What do they use nowadays? Intel XScale CPUs seem popular. Guess what? Those XScales inside your iPaqs are executing ARM code. Microsoft has only officially released PocketPC 2002 / Windows Mobile Give it a try. - Luke === Subject: Re: Math Xpander compatibility > I don't own a pocket PC, and I'm trying to decide which model to get > that will run Xpander. > longer using > MIPS or ARM based CPU's ??? They all are using an ARM based CPU: Intel XScale for most of them === Subject: Bad working HP-49+ posting-account=J9YXLw0AAABuMXuHvZICot5te2-MIcIW Hello! I have a HP-49G+ whitch i loaded with some libraries, like Jazz 6.8e,Studio49, ot49, etc. As I try to access the jazz library commands, I get the message XXX Error: Lib not fixed. Some other libraries won't work either. Can someone help me with this problem? Iwork with ROM 1.23, version 2.00 gives too much keyboard problems. === Subject: Strange behavior due to programming my HP-48 posting-account=J9YXLw0AAABuMXuHvZICot5te2-MIcIW Hello! I am experiencing strange behavior in my HP-48 due to some programming I have done. My 1 MB storage card (from HP) seems to have 32 ports instead of 8. The programs I make work fine, they are debugged, so there's nothing wrong with them. What can be the source of this problem? I would appreciate if someone will help me. With kind recards, Karel. === Subject: Re: Strange behavior due to programming my HP-48 seems the config info is shuffled, which can occur easily when playing with SysRPL;-) Maybe you should backup of your files to a PC, then do a 'master reset' on the calc, and you'll see that the card has 8 ports. Raymond schrieb im Newsbeitrag > Hello! I am experiencing strange behavior in my HP-48 due to some > programming I have done. My 1 MB storage card (from HP) seems to have > 32 ports instead of 8. The programs I make work fine, they are > debugged, so there's nothing wrong with them. What can be the source of > this problem? I would appreciate if someone will help me. With kind > recards, Karel. === Subject: Update : LNViewer1.1 You can download the new release of LNViewer at the following address : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/christophelaluc/LNViewer1-1.zip I have entirely rewritten the programs in SysRPL, and the execution is now very quick. List of commands : LDISP : { z -> $ } Put your integer on the first level of the stack ex: 12345678910111213141516171819202122 You will get the following string : 1234567891011121314151 6171819202122 Therefore, you can display your integer on several lines. (EDIT or VIEW) VLDISP: { z -> $ } Same as LDISP, but a new line begins every 33 characters, so that the string will be displayed on the full screen in VIEW mode (minifont). LSTR : { $ -> $ } Same as LDISP, but the command accepts a string, which can be some text for instance. VLSTR: { $ -> $ } Same as LSTR, but a new line begins every 33 characters. STRD : { $1 $2 Z -> $ } Lets you insert a string $2, every n characters, in a string $1 Thus, if you want to have the same result as the LDISP command type : 3: 12345678910111213141516171819202122 2: CHR_Newline 1: 22 (where CHR_Newline corresponds to the character which can be obtained by pressing RS+.) Enjoy ! Christophe LALUC === Subject: Re: Update : LNViewer1.1 posting-account=cDjNzQ0AAABYi8nSTqQBPwRMH3jHIbL8 > I have entirely rewritten the programs in SysRPL, and the execution is now > very quick. I assume you would like to learn a little more, so here are two rewritten commands that will cut your library down to 200 bytes. LDISP :: CK1NOLASTWD DUPTYPECSTR? Here I test if it is a string, if so.. case execute the next object and quit :: NEWLINE$ NEWLINE$ gives you n, no need for CHR>$ NULL$ FPTR F 1A xSREPL flashptr DROP DOSTR> I use this to avoid the DROP after. It calls palaparse. ; DO>STR If not a string, turn it into one. So ANY object will work. setStdEditWid This sets the width to 21/32 based on flag73 (edit mini?) DcompWidth@ Recall the width OVERLEN$ Get a big number for limit of # of lines. FPTR 3 9B ^StrCutNChr2_. Cuts $ at #chr with max #lines($ # # > $' # ) DROP ; This replaces your first 4 commands since you don't need to specify whether to use minifont or not, and it works on any object. STRD :: CK3&Dispatch You can use this since it is a named library command #33FF :: CKREAL COERCE #1+ PushVStack&Clear Saves a copy of the stack and clears it. BEGIN 2DUP $ # -> $ # $ # 1_#1-SUB$ Sub$ from 1 to Lam1 -#1 3UNROLL LAST$ $' $ # -> $' $'' Sub$ from # to LENCOMP$ DUPNULL$? Empty string left? UNTIL if so, exit loop DROP DEPTH number of objs left. For this, use the virtaul stack. ONE_DO SWAP&$ &$ LOOP ABND PopVStackAbove Restore the preious stack contents above your new string. ; ; I use the virtaul stack here because it makes it much quicker than This isn't the fastest possible I am sure, but it will run quicker and is about 130 bytes for both while expanding on your libraries capabilities. TW === Subject: Re: Update : LNViewer1.1 First of all, thank you for your advices. In fact, though it is my first SysRPL program, I have made the four commands for the following reason : I wanted to use a same command for converting in the two ways ( It's true, I didn't mention it in the post, but it's explained in the help), and therefore, it was impossible to adopt your option. For the distinction between a command and the V version, I must admit that I didn't think of using the flag. Very good idea ! It will enable me to put only two commands instead of four. I tried to make a version of STRD which only used the stack, but when I tested it, I realized that it took longer to execute than the version which uses local variables ... but I think it wasn't optimized at all. I will look at your solutions, Christophe For the distinction between a command and the V version, I didn't think of using the >> I have entirely rewritten the programs in SysRPL, and the execution is >> now >> very quick. > I assume you would like to learn a little more, so here are two > rewritten commands that will cut your library down to 200 bytes. > LDISP > :: > CK1NOLASTWD > DUPTYPECSTR? Here I test if it is a string, if so.. > case execute the next object and quit > :: > NEWLINE$ NEWLINE$ gives you n, no need for CHR>$ > NULL$ > FPTR F 1A xSREPL flashptr > DROP > DOSTR> I use this to avoid the DROP after. It calls > palaparse. > ; > DO>STR If not a string, turn it into one. So ANY object > will work. > setStdEditWid This sets the width to 21/32 based on flag73 (edit > mini?) > DcompWidth@ Recall the width > OVERLEN$ Get a big number for limit of # of lines. > FPTR 3 9B ^StrCutNChr2_. Cuts $ at #chr with max #lines($ # # >> $' # ) > DROP > This replaces your first 4 commands since you don't need to specify > whether to use minifont or not, and it works on any object. > STRD > :: > CK3&Dispatch You can use this since it is a named library command > #33FF > :: > CKREAL > COERCE > #1+ > PushVStack&Clear Saves a copy of the stack and clears it. > BEGIN > 2DUP $ # -> $ # $ # > 1_#1-SUB$ Sub$ from 1 to Lam1 -#1 > 3UNROLL > LAST$ $' $ # -> $' $'' Sub$ from # to LENCOMP$ > DUPNULL$? Empty string left? > UNTIL if so, exit loop > DROP > DEPTH number of objs left. For this, use the virtaul > stack. > ONE_DO > SWAP&$ > &$ > LOOP > ABND > PopVStackAbove Restore the preious stack contents above your new > string. > ; > I use the virtaul stack here because it makes it much quicker than > This isn't the fastest possible I am sure, but it will run quicker and > is about 130 bytes for both while expanding on your libraries > capabilities. > TW === Subject: Re: Update : LNViewer1.1 >> I have entirely rewritten the programs in SysRPL, and the execution is >> now >> very quick. > I assume you would like to learn a little more, so here are two > rewritten commands that will cut your library down to 200 bytes. X SNIPPETY-SNIP X > I use the virtaul stack here because it makes it much quicker than > This isn't the fastest possible I am sure, but it will run quicker and > is about 130 bytes for both while expanding on your libraries > capabilities. The fastest code could be assembler... Any Midi-Challange takers? Categories: A) ARM Assembler S) Saturn Assembler C) C (hpgcc) VPN === Subject: IMPLODE. HP48 -> HP49 posting-account=eR28NA0AAADbgJXkhd6TIRlsyrXFXlWO Hi... Please, help me, which is the equivalence of the command IMPLODE of the HP48 for the HP49? ******************************************************************* IMPLODE ------------------------------------------------------------------- HP48 5F2EE (IMPLODE) ( meta -> ob ) HP49 ?? ?? Builds symbolic obeying VUNS properties (UNSYM element), checking fcnapply, etc. Does not build symbolic if result is a single object valid in symbolics. ******************************************************************* === Subject: HP 49 G+ ROM Dump posting-account=aO0CHwwAAABlSZIHZij7z9TI1_583im_ Hello everybody, I recently bought an HP 49 G+ and I'm wondering if it would be possible to dump its ROM to the computer and use it in the EMU. Ruben === Subject: Re: HP 49 G+ ROM Dump > Hello everybody, > I recently bought an HP 49 G+ and I'm wondering if it would be possible > to dump its ROM to the computer and use it in the EMU. > Ruben I don't know of any ROM dump for the 49G+ BUT it won't do you any good. EMU cannot handle the real ROM because it does not do the ARM code. There is a 49G+ EMU in Debug4x but it uses a special, non-arm ROM. -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bill Graves RKBA! bgraves@ix.netcom.com === Subject: Re: HP 49 G+ ROM Dump >>Hello everybody, >>I recently bought an HP 49 G+ and I'm wondering if it would be possible >>to dump its ROM to the computer and use it in the EMU. >>Ruben > I don't know of any ROM dump for the 49G+ BUT it won't do you any good. > EMU cannot handle the real ROM because it does not do the ARM code. > There is a 49G+ EMU in Debug4x but it uses a special, non-arm ROM. > -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Bill Graves RKBA! > bgraves@ix.netcom.com There is a 49G+ EMU in Debug4x but it uses a special, non-arm ROM Can you detail this ? Where to find this special ROM ? Herve === Subject: Re: HP 49 G+ ROM Dump <42FBAEE7.1090005@laposte.net> posting-account=cDjNzQ0AAABYi8nSTqQBPwRMH3jHIbL8 > There is a 49G+ EMU in Debug4x but it uses a special, non-arm ROM > Can you detail this ? Where to find this special ROM ? Why in debug4x of course! It isn't a special rom that can be installed on a non-arm calculator, but rather workarounds are put in it so that it can have the larger screen, and a few other 49g+ features without emulating ARM. Just download debug4x and it comes installed. TW === Subject: Re: HP 49 G+ ROM Dump >>There is a 49G+ EMU in Debug4x but it uses a special, non-arm ROM >>Can you detail this ? Where to find this special ROM ? > Why in debug4x of course! It isn't a special rom that can be > installed on a non-arm calculator, but rather workarounds are put in it Yes it is a special ROM and isn't the one used inthe 49g+. There are a lot of native ARM entries who aren't in there so it can run in Emu48. If you used this ROM on the 49g+, it would work but would be much much slower than the real 49g+ rom Jean-Yves === Subject: HP calculators in WalMart I checked the newly opened WalMart store. Yes, they have HP calculators: 1 piece of HP33 and 2 pieces of HP10. I talked to manager. After few telephone calls he told me that advanced HP calculators can be purchased only from their internet store. I checked 2 other locations. No HP calculators on display. Of course, a lot of TI and Casio on display. A.L. === Subject: Re: HP calculators in WalMart The local Walmart in my small town outside of Houston has the HP 33 and 10. The 33 is on a locked security display with no price listed. The only people in the department didn't know the price. I didn't want to take the time for them to remove it from the secure display to scan it for the price. Jeff > I checked 2 other locations. No HP calculators on display. > Of course, a lot of TI and Casio on display. > A.L. === Subject: Re: HP calculators in WalMart > I checked the newly opened WalMart store. Yes, they have HP > calculators: 1 piece of HP33 and 2 pieces of HP10. > Of course, a lot of TI and Casio on display. Although I thoroughly enjoy my HP 33s (despite the fact that it _could_ have been so much more,), I imagine it's a pretty hard sell against the Casio fx-115 which -- for most people -- is almost as powerful as the '33s, and in some ways more so, because it sells for $15 vs. the HP's $50! === Subject: Re: HP calculators in WalMart On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:27:05 -0700, Joel Kolstad >> I checked the newly opened WalMart store. Yes, they have HP >> calculators: 1 piece of HP33 and 2 pieces of HP10. >> Of course, a lot of TI and Casio on display. >Although I thoroughly enjoy my HP 33s (despite the fact that it _could_ have >been so much more,), I imagine it's a pretty hard sell against the Casio >fx-115 which -- for most people -- is almost as powerful as the '33s, and in >some ways more so, because it sells for $15 vs. the HP's $50! Not only because price difference, but fx-115 solves polynomial equation (up to 3rd order), linear equations (up to 3 variables) and has 6 types of regression calculation. Moreover, calculates derivatives numerically, not only integrals like HP. OK, it has equation memory for only 1 equation and cannot be programmed, but for majority of users this is not the issue. And fx-155 has MUCH better display than HP. A.L. P.S. I have HP33, but I keep fx-115 on my desk... === Subject: HP-16C Programs posting-account=J9YXLw0AAABuMXuHvZICot5te2-MIcIW Hello! In the time that the HP-16C was on the market HP never bring out a solutions book for that machine. I want to make one, and publish it as a free document without any charge on the internet. Unfortunately, I have not enough programs, so I want everyone who has a HP-16C, and has some programs he want to share with others, to send them to me with some comment (and display readings in the program Karel. === Subject: Replacemanet No. 7.... now CNA51506xxx / CNA 51900xxx posting-account=RcPRuA0AAABQ1PtaB6fDS2aARZhzvLc3 Now it seems that I am a lucky guy. After the key hinges of the keys 1 and 2 from my 6th replacement (CNA 42501xxx) broke, I received 10mins ago my new 49G+. The s/n's are: CNA 51506xxx (sticker on the calc) CNA 51900xxx (using serial) My first impression: The keys appear to have a softer touch compared to my CNA 425xxx. (except the both shift buttons) But it came with ROM 1.23. I need to update to 2.00. The replacement came without batteries included and my ones are old. So I cannot do the update, until I have new batteries. So I go and buy some. See you later... ChristianB === Subject: Re: Replacemanet No. 7.... now CNA51506xxx / CNA 51900xxx posting-account=FjwNTA0AAACkoOZvbPG9Ru9bQtWL4f1J Now the replacements come without batteries? I have my third replacement, and for now (2 month) is working OK... but u never knows... christian.buhmann@gmail.com ha escrito: > Now it seems that I am a lucky guy. > After the key hinges of the keys 1 and 2 from my 6th replacement > (CNA 42501xxx) broke, I received 10mins ago my new 49G+. > The s/n's are: > CNA 51506xxx (sticker on the calc) > CNA 51900xxx (using serial) > My first impression: > The keys appear to have a softer touch compared to my CNA 425xxx. > (except the both shift buttons) > But it came with ROM 1.23. I need to update to 2.00. The replacement > came without batteries included and my ones are old. So I cannot do the > update, until I have new batteries. So I go and buy some. > See you later... > ChristianB === Subject: Re: Replacemanet No. 7.... now CNA51506xxx / CNA 51900xxx Avatar_e schrieb im Newsbeitrag > Now the replacements come without batteries? In my case... YES ;-) > I have my third replacement, and for now (2 month) is working OK... but > u never knows... > christian.buhmann@gmail.com ha escrito: Now it seems that I am a lucky guy. After the key hinges of the keys 1 and 2 from my 6th replacement (CNA 42501xxx) broke, I received 10mins ago my new 49G+. The s/n's are: CNA 51506xxx (sticker on the calc) CNA 51900xxx (using serial) My first impression: The keys appear to have a softer touch compared to my CNA 425xxx. (except the both shift buttons) But it came with ROM 1.23. I need to update to 2.00. The replacement came without batteries included and my ones are old. So I cannot do the update, until I have new batteries. So I go and buy some. See you later... ChristianB === Subject: FluidHP port submitted to hpcalc.org Hello. I've submitted my version of a port of FluidHP to hpcalc.org. It'll probably be available in a few days when Eric gets around to it. How are you doing Tim? Steen === Subject: Re: FluidHP port submitted to hpcalc.org posting-account=BhOLwQ0AAAAGxLzmZMrNIhvjYvNMjBnc Finals for my summer classes kept me too busy to finish mine unfortunately. Now I feel like a jerk because I was so excited for this little competition. . . =( Funny thing is, my interface I designed was almost identical to yours, except mine included units on the inputs by using IfMsgGetGrob. It was rather uncanny. TW === Subject: Re: FluidHP port submitted to hpcalc.org > Finals for my summer classes kept me too busy to finish mine > unfortunately. Now I feel like a jerk because I was so excited for > this little competition. . . =( Well, at least one port got finished. I hope that'll satisfy a couple of users. Will you finish your version, or is it far from completion? The version I sent you a couple of weeks back differs a bit from the one I've submitted to hpcalc.org - the final version is almost 200 bytes larger, but loads a lot quicker (4 times faster or so, which is important on the HP49G but not on the G+ at all). A couple of bugs were fixed too, as well as some minor graphical details added. > Funny thing is, my interface I designed was almost identical to yours, > except mine included units on the inputs by using IfMsgGetGrob. It > was rather uncanny. It just underlines the fact that it was a good approach we chose then ;-) It'd been nice to see how the same approach differed in performance and size though. Of course there are so many other things we could use our time on :-) Steen === Subject: New fast SD and HP49G+ I was wondering which brands and sizes of the new fast SD cards work with the 49G+. Also, what am I looking at are far as costs go. Harold A. Climer Dept. Of Physics,Geology, and Astronomy U.T. Chattanooga 318 Grote Hall 615 McCallie Ave Chattanooga TN 37403 === Subject: Re: New fast SD and HP49G+ posting-account=L8x4YQ0AAADtpf_klHFqoPGjVS6clfnr I am using Corsair 512 Km 40X and it is really fast at Fat16, with Fat32 is just the same a SandDisk 128 I use to have. Daniel === Subject: Re: New fast SD and HP49G+ > I was wondering which brands and sizes of the new fast SD cards > work with the 49G+. Also, what am I looking at are far as costs go. I use a 512MB SanDisk Ultra II and paid 45 Euro here in Germany. Compared to a standard Kingston card, the speed gain is almost by factor 10. Should you buy this card, you won't regret it. ibl > Harold A. Climer > Dept. Of Physics,Geology, and Astronomy > U.T. Chattanooga > 318 Grote Hall > 615 McCallie Ave > Chattanooga TN 37403 -- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. --Albert Einstein === Subject: Re: New fast SD and HP49G+ posting-account=cDjNzQ0AAABYi8nSTqQBPwRMH3jHIbL8 I have a 512mb ultraII by sandisk. I think it was 70$. notice a huge difference. Large direcotires do show quicker in the filer though. TW === Subject: Need to open up, clean keypad of 32S--Advice? Originator: pciszek at panix dot com (Paul Ciszek) I have a 32S II that apparently still has working electronics, but the keypad is sticky. Does anyone know how I can pry it apart without breaking anything, or have any advice about cleaning the keypad? -- Please reply to: | When the press is free and every man pciszek at panix dot com | able to read, all is safe. Autoreply has been disabled | --Thomas Jefferson === Subject: RPN/RPL Calculator implementations, list of, regular post [long, FAQ] Supersedes: <11ar9qblt6t492a@corp.supernews.com> Last-Modified: 2005-08-12 Posting-Frequency: bi-monthly URL: http://www.finseth.com/rpnrpl.html Copyright: 2002-5 by Craig A. Finseth Archive-name: computer/handhelds/rpn-rpl Disclaimer: Approval for *.answers is based on form, not content. RPN/RPL Implementations Document id RPN/RPL Implementations http://www.finseth.com/rpnrpl.html Last posted 2005-08-12 reposted about every 2 months Contact: Craig A. Finseth http://www.finseth.com Copyright This FAQ document is Copyright 2002-5 by Craig A. Finseth. It may be reproduced and archived as part of normal network distribution. Such distribution is assumed to include CD/ROM or other bulk, unedited distribution. It may be reproduced for individual or non-commerical use provided that it is reproduced intact. It may be reproduced for commercial use provided: o it is reproduced essentially intact including all copyright notices and acknowledgements, o the publisher obtains the latest version directly from the FAQ maintainer (using the above WWW site is acceptable), o the publisher provides the FAQ maintainer with information on what collection the copy of the FAQ is in, and how that collection may be obtained, o all material modifications (other than formatting) are clearly marked. Description This document provides a list of implementations of RPN, RPL, and HP calculators for other systems. You can help make it more comprehensive by sending me additional information and/or updates. To be included in this list, an implementation must: o implement at least a standard 4-level RPN calculator. Minor variations (e.g., 3 or 5 levels) do not preclude being listed. Implementations that include both RPN and algebraic modes are eligible. o implement an RPL calculator. o implement a clone (or near-clone) of any Hewlett-Packard calculator, even if it is an algebraic-only model. The following information is included for each implementation: Implementations are listed alphabetically by name. If the implementation emulates or approximates a specific calculator and it is not obvious from the name which calculator is emulated, the emulated calculator model is given in parentheses. The *LAST* *CHANGED/VERIFIED* line contains the date that the entry was last changed or an explict looks ok to me was received by the FAQ maintainer. The *ORIGINAL* *DISTRIBUTION* is the date (or partial date) of the first release. It is in YYYY-MM-DD format. The *VERSION* is the latest known version. It is probably out of date. The *ENVIRONMENT* is the operating environment. This is a very high-level description: consult the documentation on the product for any specifics. The *ORGANIZATION* is the name of and contact information for the implementor or current maintainer. The *STATUS* is one of o no longer available: Self-explanatory. o free: The implementation is available to most people at no charge. Even such free implementations may have restrictions: consult information about the particular implementation. Where available, information on how to obtain a copy is also listed. o shareware: Self-explanatory. o not free: The implementation is for sale. Contact the vendor for specifics. Many of the names of the implementations in this list are trademarked. Specific trademarks are not called out. Table of Contents Implementations Available for PCs: Linux, DOS, Windows, Macintosh, Unix Calc41 name: Calc41 last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: ? environment: Windows organization/author: ? status: not free Note: was sold by EduCALC. Emu28 name: Emu28 (includes 28C) version: 1.03 environment: Windows organization/author: Christoph Giesselink http://privat.swol.de/ChristophGiesselink/emu28.htm status: free EMU42 name: EMU42 version: 0.10beta1 environment: Windows organization/author: Christoph Giesselink http://privat.swol.de/ChristophGiesselink/Lewis/Hp42demo.zip http://w1.322.telia.com/~u32220482/comments_on_two_hp42s_emulators.pdf status: free Emu48 name: Emu48 (includes 38G, 39G, 40G, 48SX, 48GX, 49G) version: 1.34 environment: Windows organization/author: Christoph Giesselink http://privat.swol.de/ChristophGiesselink/. status: free Emu48 name: Emu48 last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: ? environment: Windows organization/author: Sebastien Carlier status: free Free42 name: Free42 (HP42S) last changed/verified: 2005-02-18 version: 1.1.13 environment: Linux and Windows organization/author: Thomas Okken http://home.planet.nl/~demun000/thomas_projects/free42 status: free Note: Palm version also available. HP Emulator name: HP Emulator (48GX) last changed/verified: 2002-10-29 version: 0.9.0 environment: Windows organization/author: Daniel Nilsson http://sourceforge.net/projects/hpemu status: free HP10BII Emulator name: HP10BII Emulator (48GX) version: ? environment: Windows organization/author: ? http://www.hpcc.org/links.html status: free HP-12C name: HP-12C version: ? environment: Windows / Macintosh organization/author: http://www.manquehue.net/rlira status: not free HP-12C name: HP-12C version: ? environment: Windows / Macintosh organization/author: http://homepage.mac.com/riclira status: not free HP-16C name: HP-16C last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: ? environment: Windows organization/author: Joseph M. Newcomer Co. http://www.pgh.net/~newcomer/hp16c.htm status: free Note: Palm version also available. HP-16C name: HP-16C version: preview environment: Java organization/author: Alexander Supalov supalov@foni.net http://home.foni.net/~supalov/hp16c status: free Note: It's available for online preview at http://home.foni.net/~supalov/hp16c . It's implemented using Swing, so that you may need to add Sun's Java plugin at http://java.sun.com/plugin to get it up and running. This is an ongoing effort, and there's a number of limitations to this emulator that we are well aware of, but there may be some that we've missed. Please bear with us: all constructive feedback will be highly appreciated. HP-25 Emulator name: HP-25 Emulator last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: ? environment: DOS organization/author: Nigel Bromley http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/square/gd86/freesoft.htm status: free HP-35A Emulator name: HP-35A version: ? environment: XWindows, Unix organization/author: Peter Monta http://www.pmonta.com/calculators/hp-35/ status: free HP-41C Emulator name: HP-41C Emulator last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: ? environment: Windows organization/author: Warren Furlow http://www.furlow.org status: free HP-41C Emulator name: HP-41C Emulator (Sim41?) last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: ? environment: DOS organization/author: Alvaro Gerardo Suárez http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bay/4919/ http://geocities.com/algesuar status: free HP-41C, HP-45 Emulators name: HP-41C, HP-45 Emulators last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: ? environment: XWindows, Unix organization/author: Eric Smith http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/hpcalc/ status: free HP-41C, HP-71B Emulators name: HP-41C, HP-71B Emulators version: ? environment: DOS organization/author: J. Garnier http://membres.lycos.fr/jeffcalc/ status: free HP-41C/CV/CX MicroCode Emulator name: HP-41C/CV/CX MicroCode Emulator version: 1.02 environment: Windows organization/author: http://www.hpcalc.org/hp48/pc/emulators/hp41epc.zip status: free HP-55A Emulator name: HP-55A Emulator version: ? environment: XWindows, Unix organization/author: Eric Smith http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/hpcalc/ status: free HP-67 Simulator name: HP-67 Simulator last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: ? environment: Unix, Apple GS organization/author: Christopher Neufeld http://caliban.physics.utoronto.ca/neufeld/hp67/hp67.html status: free hpcalc.org name: hpcalc.org (web site, many models) last changed/verified: 2005-02-23 version: N/A environment: various organization/author: http://www.hpcalc.org/hp49/pc/emulators/ http://www.hpcalc.org/hp49/pc/programming/ status: free Note: this site has many emulators and variations. Loki and LokiBin name: Loki and LokiBin last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: 1.0 environment: many organization/author: Craig Finseth http://www.finseth.com/#Loki status: free Note: Several implementations, including: command-line for Windows, Macintosh OS X, and Unix; system manager versions for HP95LX, HP100*, and HP200*; native GUI for Windows, Macintosh OS 8+ and OS X. Loki is a 4-function RPN calculator that does fractional input and output and units. LokiBin is a 4-function RPN calculator that does binary / octal / hex transformation and math. Nonpareil name: Nonpareil (many, many) last changed/verified: 2005-06-16 version: ? environment: Linux organization/author: http://nonpareil.brouhaha.com status: free Pscalc95 name: Pscalc95 (HP-28ish) version: ? environment: HP95 and similar organization/author: http://ftp.monash.edu.au/pub/palmtop/pscalc.lzh status: free RPL/2 name: RPL/2 (?) version: ? environment: ? organization/author: http://www.makalis.fr/~bertrand/rpl2 status: free Ttcalc name: Ttcalc (HP-41C) last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: 1.3? environment: Windows organization/author: Stefan Seiwerth, mailto:Seiwerth@aol.com http://www.hpmuseum.org/simulate/simulate.htm http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/ftp-home/pub/cica-win3/desktop/ttbcalc13.zip status: free WRPN name: WRPN (HP-16C) last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: ? environment: Windows organization/author: Emmet P. Gray, mailto:GrayE@hood-emh3.army.mil http://www.hpmuseum.org/simulate/simulate.htm status: free X48 name: X48 (HP48GX) version: 1.2 of the port, 0.4.1 of the original emulator environment: Macintosh organization/author: Markus Fritze http:www.markus-fritze.de status: free Xxxx name: Xxxx version: ? environment: Windows (probably) organization/author: Craig Pearce status: free Said to emulate an HP style RPN calculator. Written in Visual Basic. HP Calculators Emulating Other HP Calculators HP-41C/CV/CX MicroCode Emulator v1.15 for HP-48S/SX/G/G+/GX name: HP-41C/CV/CX MicroCode Emulator version: 1.15 environment: HP-48S/SX/G/G+/GX organization/author: http://www.hpcalc.org/hp48/apps/misc/hp41e48.zip status: free HP-41C/CV/CX MicroCode Emulator v1.15 for HP-49G name: HP-41C/CV/CX MicroCode Emulator version: 1.15 environment: HP4/9G organization/author: http://www.hpcalc.org/hp49/apps/misc/hp41e49.zip status: free HP-41X MicroCode Emulator name: HP-41X MicroCode Emulator for HP48GX/49G version: ? environment: HP48/9 Series organization/author: http://hrastprogrammer.tripod.com/HP41X/index.htm status: not free HP42X MicroCode Emulator name: HP42X MicroCode Emulator for HP48GX/49G version: ? environment: HP48/9 Series organization/author: http://hrastprogrammer.tripod.com/HP42X/index.htm status: not free HP-71X MicroCode Emulator name: HP-71X MicroCode Emulator for HP48GX/49G version: ? environment: HP48/9 Series organization/author: http://hrastprogrammer.tripod.com/HP71X/index.htm status: not free HP-IL Emulation for HP-41X name: HP-IL Emulation for HP-41X version: ? environment: ? organization/author: http://hrastprogrammer.tripod.com/HP41L/index.htm status: not free HP-IL Emulation for HP-71X name: HP-IL Emulation for HP-71X version: ? environment: ? organization/author: http://hrastprogrammer.tripod.com/HP71L/index.htm status: not free Implementations Available For Palm Systems Coconut name: Coconut (HP-41C) last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: 3.0.3 environment: Palm organization/author: ? status: both free and not free Free42 name: Free42 (HP42S) last changed/verified: 2005-02-18 version: 1.1.13 environment: Palm organization/author: Thomas Okken http://home.planet.nl/~demun000/thomas_projects/free42 status: free Note: Linux and Windows versions also available. HP-16C name: HP-16C last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: ? environment: Palm organization/author: Joseph M. Newcomer Co. http://www.pgh.net/~newcomer/hp16c.htm status: free Note: Windows version also available. Kalc name: Kalc last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: 3.0.3 environment: Palm organization/author: ? status: free MathU name: MathU last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: ? environment: Palm organization/author: ? status: not free Note: related to MathU Pro and PalmCalc. MathU Pro name: MathU Pro last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: ? environment: Palm organization/author: ? status: not free Note: related to MathU and PalmCalc. NeoCal name: NeoCal last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: 1.5 environment: Palm organization/author: ? status: not free P41CV name: P41CV version: 0.11 environment: Palm organization/author: Charles Lee status: not free (only $7, though) Palm16c name: Palm16c (HP-16C) last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: ? environment: Palm organization/author: Jake Schwartz status: not free PalmCalc name: PalmCalc last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: ? environment: Palm organization/author: ? status: not free Note: related to MathU and MathU Pro. PowerOne name: PowerOne last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: ? environment: Palm organization/author: ? status: not free Note: The finance version is the only one offering RPN. RPN name: RPN last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: 3.04 environment: Palm organization/author: http://www.palmgear.com status: not free RPN Calculator 1.0.1 name: RPN last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: 1.0.1 environment: Palm organization/author: ? status: free Implementations Available for Psion Systems DCalc name: DCalc (RPN) version: ? environment: Psion organization/author: Bob Hepple http://sedumi.freeshell.org/psion/index.html PocketIQ status: shareware Multifunction RPN Calculator name: Multifunction RPN Calculator (HP-16Cish) version: ? environment: Psion organization/author: Derek Johnson http://www.freeuk.net/decca status: shareware Psion48 name: Psion48 (similar to HP48SX) version: 2.1 environment: Psion organization/author: Xavier Galante http://Psion48.free.fr status: shareware Implementations Available for Texas Instruments Calculators RPN Calc name: RPN Calc version: 1.01 environment: TI-89 organization/author: Thomas Vino tomasvino yahoo.es http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/103/10381.html status: free RPN Interface name: RPN Interface version: 2.022 environment: TI-89, TI-92+ organization/author: Lars Frederiksen http://www.paxm.org/symbulator/download/rpn.html status: free Implementations Available for Windows CE Systems EMU48CE name: EMU48CE version: 1.23 Release 2 environment: PocketPC organization/author: Leopoldo Bueno Castillo http://web.jet.es/leobueno/soft/emu48ce.exe status: free EMU48CE name: EMU48CE version: 1.23f organization/author: Pete M. Wilson http://scw.us/ce/emu48/emu48.exe status: free HP-41C Emulator name: HP-41C Emulator last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: ? environment: WindowsCE organization/author: Warren Furlow http://www.furlow.org status: free Loki and LokiBin name: Loki and LokiBin last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: 1.0 environment: JavaScript organization/author: Craig Finseth http://www.finseth.com/#Loki status: free Note: JavaScript implementation tuned for Windows CE implementation and screen size. Loki is a basic RPN machine and LokiBin does binary/octal/hex transforms and math. Pocket 12C name: Pocket 12C version: 1.5 environment: PocketPC organization/author: Lygea http://www.lygea.com/Pocket12C/V150/Pocket12CV150.exe status: not free Pocket 15C name: Pocket 15C version: 1.1 environment: PocketPC organization/author: Lygea http://www.lygea.com/Pocket15C/V110/Pocket15CV110.exe status: not free Pocket 16C name: Pocket 16C version: 1.0 environment: PocketPC organization/author: Pirrama (Lygea) http://www.pirrama.com/Pocket16C/V100/Pocket16CV100.exe status: not free Implementations Available for Other Systems (may include some of the above) Calc name: RPN last changed/verified: 2005-06-27 version: 2.03 environment: Java, cell phones organization/author: Roar Lauritzsen http://midp-calc.sourceforge.net status: free Power48 name: Power48 version: 2.0 environment: various organization/author: Robert Hildinger http://power48.mobilevoodoo.com/ status: free Implementations Available for the Web CoCalc, CoCalc2 name: CoCalc CoCalc2 last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: ? environment: Java organization/author: http://www.cohort.com/ status: free HP-25 name: HP-25 last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: ? environment: Java organization/author: Larry Leinweber, mailto:larry@leinweb.com http://www.hpmuseum.org/simulate/simulate.htm status: free HP-35 Simulation name: HP-35 Simulation version: ? environment: JavaScript organization/author: Neil Fraser http://neil.fraser.name/software/hp-35/ status: free HP-45 Microcode Simulator name: HP-45 Microcode Simulator last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: ? environment: Java organization/author: Eric Smith http://www.hpmuseum.org/simulate/simulate.htm status: free Loki and LokiBin name: Loki and LokiBin last changed/verified: 2002-10-21 version: 1.0 environment: JavaScript organization/author: Craig Finseth http://www.finseth.com/#Loki status: free End === Subject: Time Keeper for the hp 49g+ Hello together, for those who want to keep time on the hp 49g(+) and have some time management, concerning daylight saving time or time zone shift in US or Europe. http://users.belgacom.net/EAA/Heiko/HP49/ClckAdjst.zip (programs with offline documentation, 98 kByte). For the hp 49g+ all time keepers does not work properly due to the unabillity of e.g. CLKADJ (hp 49g+) to adjust within tenth of a second or better. In general, it seem to be not possible to adjust the hp 49g+ within +/-1 s! After calibration with my tool it is theoretically possible to adjust your hp-clock within +/- 0.5 s in long term. I would appreciate your comments. Heiko Arnemann === Subject: AdictosHP new design Hello all, (hola adictos) especialy spanish speaking part of HP comunity, i noticed ADICTOS HP changed it's design, so why not take a look: http://www.adictoshp.org manjo === Subject: Re: AdictosHP new design posting-account=O6knhQ0AAAD8zE21TyMVwtCasYnRdHOm i cant register, when i click register it sends me to login page ( i use firefox 0.9.2 ) === Subject: Re: AdictosHP new design > i cant register, when i click register it sends me to login page ( i > use firefox 0.9.2 ) The important fotos de sexo link is dead. Also, nothing else on the page works for me, with Firefox 1.0.6. Tony. === Subject: Re: AdictosHP new design I'm sorry guys i can't help you (it is not my site), you should mail bug findings to ADICTOS HP (i hope there is some contacts listed) adictos hp is known site (i feel safe) so you should have no troubles viewing it with IE, since FireFox has troubles with some rare-special-features -maybe these are used in adictoshp. see you later manjo i cant register, when i click register it sends me to login page ( i use firefox 0.9.2 ) > The important fotos de sexo link is dead. > Also, nothing else on the page works for me, with Firefox 1.0.6. > Tony. === Subject: Re: AdictosHP new design [OT] If that site uses special IE features which aren't working with FF or Opera I'd just ignore it. The only site I use IE with is the Windows update site. [/OT] Raymond manjo schrieb im Newsbeitrag > I'm sorry guys i can't help you (it is not my site), you should mail bug > findings to ADICTOS HP > (i hope there is some contacts listed) > adictos hp is known site (i feel safe) so you should have no troubles > viewing it with IE, since > FireFox has troubles with some rare-special-features -maybe these are used > in adictoshp. > see you later > manjo > i cant register, when i click register it sends me to login page ( i > use firefox 0.9.2 ) > >> The important fotos de sexo link is dead. >> Also, nothing else on the page works for me, with Firefox 1.0.6. >> Tony. === Subject: Re: AdictosHP new design Hello Raymond, i am sorry but i totaly dissagree with you, and don't take it personal... WINDOWS and IE are still most used (at least on servers available to me) 80% over all other combined 20% so ... -your statment doesn't make much sense (that's statistics) developers opinions are very different (depending on personal preferences and target platform) but in my experience IE offers the most functionality with least possible restrictions -we can call it insecure or unsafe, but it makes things work. (that's my opinion) I would NOT ignore the ANY site if it wouldn't work with my favorite browser -i would simply use other instead as a workaround (that is individual) like i said before FF has difficulties with some features, alot of features which work great with IE and NETSCAPE may not be working right on FF, on the other hand FF has a reputation of being the safest to use -it is obviews trade (i think nobody should be upset about that) finaly: there is a lot of network equipment which requires IE or NETSCAPE for user friendly setup, FF and Opera are not mentioned. anyway... ( so much from me for your IE vs. rest of the world flamewar ) manjo P.S. > If that site uses special IE features which aren't working > with FF or Opera I'd just ignore it. You are welcome to ignore watever you want, and be sure to isolate yourelf from any contribution to good things that way ! === Subject: Re: AdictosHP new design > Hello Raymond, > i am sorry but i totaly dissagree with you, and don't take it personal... And I strongly disagree with you. There are standard that are well defined and would work with all web browsers. Some sites designed for IE exclusively broke those standards. Like other people have mentioned, I will avoid all web sites not respecting standards. JY === Subject: Re: AdictosHP new design Well I am realy surprised -from 2 people developing new things, let's say living on the edge of technology you 2 seem quite narrow sighted in this regard. i thought when: when some program hits the market, and becomes popular, bringing new functionality or options which become widely accepted -these kind of programs are setting new standards. It is not an issue here wether it is a simple Internet Browser, graphic software, wether it is a Microsoft product or product of any other respetfully onwned brandname company (including HP itself). i think you re looking at it from the wrong angle -sites realy can't force you to use any of the browsers they only limit themselves to specific audience. -i belive all of them are trying to be compatible with most used browsers, but some people haven't got the time (or budget) to make their site all around compatible. (my site for instance -i'm not even shure how it works or looks on other browsers because i realy don't have the time to test and make it look nice on all browsers) so i published one version which is IE safe, using at least possible special features and that's it... it's like: when you go to holliday (which i will be doing in few hours) if i go to the same place (standard) i will never get to know other places and people. Therefore even though i liked the place i was the last year very much i will go to another place. abother personal opinion: technology is about breaking limits, breaking standards, abusing the machine to the limit -the machine won't mind -it's built to be better than expected with our programming we're just helping the machines to achieve their purpose :-) Back to the subject -this is realy not about browsers -its about new design of a nice HP calculators related site -so feel free to visit (or ignore) at your own will, nobody will foce you to use or not to use anything Finaly: -if the important piece of information for some project was published on let's say IE only page -would you ignore it ? keep up the good spirit, and... see you in about 2 weeks manjo (exceptions we make is what makes us different) === Subject: Re: AdictosHP new design > Well I am realy surprised > -from 2 people developing new things, let's say living on the edge of > technology > you 2 seem quite narrow sighted in this regard. I'm not narrow. Internet Explorer 6 doesn't exist on my Mac, I use Firefox. Therefore I can't visit the site you linked. Will I bother getting a Windows PC just to access a web site? no. Again, IE6 doesn't add anything *new*, it's just breaking a well working standard to do the same thing which could have worked on all web browsers. For a site to only work with IE is just plain bad, and I can't find any excuses for it other than lack of I will bother Jean-Yves === Subject: Re: AdictosHP new design <3m8spkF15i212U1@individual.net> posting-account=q6_zDQwAAADn5AKk9rkezyhWWDbcYh4S Maybe we should evaluate the sites content and not its context. Personally, I believe that chauvinistic arguments regarding internet browsers as being unproductive. As most programmers know, there is more than one way to write code for a specific application. Can we just check our egos at the door? === Subject: Re: AdictosHP new design <3m8spkF15i212U1@individual.net> posting-account=cDjNzQ0AAABYi8nSTqQBPwRMH3jHIbL8 Just so you know, I LIKED visiting that site. When my browser of choice stopped letting me view the site, they had now decided that I wasn't important enough to visit. It has nothing to do with ego. It has to do with I have to search for where in the world my IE got hidden at since I don't have any links around for it. It is inconvenient for me to go out of my way to find some method of viewing that site. I don't want to have a link to IE easily accesable so that when someone uses my computer I don't have to worry about what is going to get installed. >when you go to holliday (which i will be doing in few hours) if i go to the >same place (standard) i will never get to know other places and people. >Therefore even though i liked the place i was the last year very much i will >go to another place. True. But that doesn't mean I should take a vacation to certain parts of the big city where I may get mugged, shot, etc. I'd prefer to go where I know that I am much less likely to have something bad happen to me. ;-) If I have to travel on vacation, I'd do it in a car that has been the most reliable. I wouldn't take something notorious for breaking down all the time. If I had to read the important information, I would most likely fire up my old win2k tablet. . . TW === Subject: Re: AdictosHP new design posting-account=cDjNzQ0AAABYi8nSTqQBPwRMH3jHIbL8 > i am sorry but i totaly dissagree with you, and don't take it personal... Well I disagree with you. If someplace tries to force me to use IE, I go elsewhere. I just switched banks because they turned their online banking into an IE enhanced site. The old one worked just fine. . . I used to visit that site regularly and read up. Now I can't. Is it my loss? I am not really broken up about it. TW === Subject: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... I see all these threads about the 49G+ and I really am stunned so many people are using them over the G series. I own five g series calculators (3 gx's, 1 g, and 1 g+) and two 49 G+ calculators (CN40 and CNA515). My first G series was a GX purchased back in 1995. Everything from dropping it on the floor more times than I can count and spilling a full can of Mountain Dew on it has not slowed it down one bit. I am on my second 49 G+ and the fact that this one, being almost a year newer than my first 49 G+ still does not enter key clicks in when I press the button every time. This is so freaking unacceptable I cannot believe this is still a problem a year later. I have reverted to using my G series calculators even though the 49 G+ rocks minus the key entry problem. My question is: how is everyone overlooking the key entry problem (where every keystroke isn't recognized) and bringing yourselves to use the 49 G+? One last thing, why did they change up the keyboard on the 49G+ compared to the 48 GX on stuff that should not have been changed (trivial at best). For instance, ÒTimeÓ on the 48 G is rightshift Ò4Ó and on the 49 G+ it is Right shift Ò9Ó. It seems that they were almost trying to annoy me personally. ;-) === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... > I see all these threads about the 49G+ and I really am stunned so many > people are using them over the G series. I own five g series > calculators (3 gx's, 1 g, and 1 g+) and two 49 G+ calculators (CN40 and > CNA515). > My first G series was a GX purchased back in 1995. Everything from > dropping it on the floor more times than I can count and spilling a full > can of Mountain Dew on it has not slowed it down one bit. > I am on my second 49 G+ and the fact that this one, being almost a year > newer than my first 49 G+ still does not enter key clicks in when I > press the button every time. This is so freaking unacceptable I cannot > believe this is still a problem a year later. > I have reverted to using my G series calculators even though the 49 G+ > rocks minus the key entry problem. > My question is: how is everyone overlooking the key entry problem > (where every keystroke isn't recognized) and bringing yourselves to use > the 49 G+? > One last thing, why did they change up the keyboard on the 49G+ compared > to the 48 GX on stuff that should not have been changed (trivial at > best). For instance, ÒTimeÓ on the 48 G is rightshift Ò4Ó and on the 49 > G+ it is Right shift Ò9Ó. It seems that they were almost trying to > annoy me personally. ;-) Functionally speaking, nothing can hold a candle to the 49g+. If HP would fix the alarms and/or utilize the 8192 Hz timer, and beef up the quality, I would not even look back. My 5 month old replacement looks like I'v got the creeping cruds, because the paint is wearing off, and it looks like finger grime. My first machine never did that. So far the keys do seem to be more robust and tactile. The SD card feature is absolutely wonderful, especially when sharing files. When I have a melt down, I can restore at work. BTW...my calculator does in fact recognize every keystroke. I do leave beep on and, if I hit a key and there is no beep, I just wait a brief moment. It does register every keystroke so far. I'd settle for a brushed aluminum keyboard. :-) === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... posting-account=K8WeyQ0AAAB8ao_Zwjn2KJiLs8m5Sc9f Mine does the same thing. I have noticed that it is pausing for a second, like it is working behind the scenes for a second, and then the calculator catches up and performs the keystroke. === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... That is great you are having so much luck. But I have two of them and they both suck. Functionally, of course the 49G+ rocks, and the SD card slot is awesome. Both are running Rom Version 1.23. Would 2.00 make a difference in the key stroke problem (not recognizing the problem?) I see all these threads about the 49G+ and I really am stunned so many people are using them over the G series. I own five g series calculators (3 gx's, 1 g, and 1 g+) and two 49 G+ calculators (CN40 and CNA515). My first G series was a GX purchased back in 1995. Everything from dropping it on the floor more times than I can count and spilling a full can of Mountain Dew on it has not slowed it down one bit. I am on my second 49 G+ and the fact that this one, being almost a year newer than my first 49 G+ still does not enter key clicks in when I press the button every time. This is so freaking unacceptable I cannot believe this is still a problem a year later. I have reverted to using my G series calculators even though the 49 G+ rocks minus the key entry problem. My question is: how is everyone overlooking the key entry problem (where every keystroke isn't recognized) and bringing yourselves to use the 49 G+? One last thing, why did they change up the keyboard on the 49G+ compared to the 48 GX on stuff that should not have been changed (trivial at best). For instance, ÒTimeÓ on the 48 G is rightshift Ò4Ó and on the 49 G+ it is Right shift Ò9Ó. It seems that they were almost trying to annoy me personally. ;-) > Functionally speaking, nothing can hold a candle to the 49g+. If HP would > fix the alarms and/or utilize the 8192 Hz timer, and beef up the quality, I > would not even look back. > My 5 month old replacement looks like I'v got the creeping cruds, because > the paint is wearing off, and it looks like finger grime. My first machine > never did that. So far the keys do seem to be more robust and tactile. > The SD card feature is absolutely wonderful, especially when sharing files. > When I have a melt down, I can restore at work. > BTW...my calculator does in fact recognize every keystroke. I do leave beep > on and, if I hit a key and there is no beep, I just wait a brief moment. It > does register every keystroke so far. > I'd settle for a brushed aluminum keyboard. :-) === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... > Functionally, of course the 49G+ rocks, and the SD card slot is awesome. > Both are running Rom Version 1.23. Would 2.00 make a difference in the > key stroke problem (not recognizing the problem?) I would definitely recommend updating the ROM. Ever since I got a 49G+ I really liked its power and speed, but because of the missed keystroke problem the calculator just gathered dust as I continued to use my old 48G. I contacted HP customer service, and they sent me a replacement 49G+, but its behavior was identical to my original one (and essentially unusable for quick calculations). The 2.00 update completely fixed the problems I was having with the 49G+. Some users report problems now with extra keystrokes, but I haven't had that happen to me. The 49G+ is working perfectly and I haven't touched my 48G since the update. Dave === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... caveat lector: I've only owned the 48/49 series directly mentioned in this post unless otherwise noted. worried me, and the keypad wasn't the best, but it held up better than the 49(and post) series. 48S/X: replaced my trusty 28S(no PC connection was annoying). BEST keypad on any of the three HP calcs that I have owned(28S, 48S/X, 49G). Sadly a certain former friend of the female persuasion was loaned this beauty, and neglected to return it, along with a memory expansion card, and a second card. 49G: Finally broke down and purchased this unit. A nearly inifnite decline in quality from the 48 series(note, only owned the S/X but had seen/toyed with ALL 48(and 28) series). The keyboard was uselessly abysmal, the OS was buggier than windows, batteries lasted about 1/10 the length of the S/X's, the improved display was/is crap, manuals?! ...etc. Now the good points, ah... well... the OS developers sort of stabilized the OS unofficially, or at least enough for it to be useful, and it was still RPN based is a bastardized fashion. (Unfortunate results of shifting development of high end calculators from Corvalis to less/non experience personnel in other locations, as evidenced by continued low quality in succeeding 49(and other) models.) Overall: HP48 series was the pinnacle, followed by the swift decline in quality exemplified by the 49s. (Snap up those 48 S/G Xs while you can!) === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... > That is great you are having so much luck. But I have two of them and > they both suck. > Functionally, of course the 49G+ rocks, and the SD card slot is awesome. > Both are running Rom Version 1.23. Would 2.00 make a difference in the > key stroke problem (not recognizing the problem?) I'm on my third, the second warranty replacement. I would strongly Suggest ROM Version 2.00, as would everyone, I expect. I do believe it has made a difference, but it might also be due to the newer manufacture of my current calculator. The first one was terrible at missing keystrokes, but like the second one, had keys break down (loose tooth syndome). The second one did not miss strokes, nor the third. Just hope the third one's keys hold out. Scott Chapin === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... > BTW...my calculator does in fact recognize every keystroke. I do leave beep > on and, if I hit a key and there is no beep, I just wait a brief moment. It > does register every keystroke so far. > I'd settle for a brushed aluminum keyboard. :-) Could you send me an email at : j y a @ [remove] hydrix.com JY === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... I think I'm going to seal my 48GX in a vault somewhere - judging by the way Ebay prices are going it'll probably be worth $50,000 in about 2 years time! > I see all these threads about the 49G+ and I really am stunned so many > people are using them over the G series. I own five g series > calculators (3 gx's, 1 g, and 1 g+) and two 49 G+ calculators (CN40 and > CNA515). > My first G series was a GX purchased back in 1995. Everything from > dropping it on the floor more times than I can count and spilling a full > can of Mountain Dew on it has not slowed it down one bit. > I am on my second 49 G+ and the fact that this one, being almost a year > newer than my first 49 G+ still does not enter key clicks in when I > press the button every time. This is so freaking unacceptable I cannot > believe this is still a problem a year later. > I have reverted to using my G series calculators even though the 49 G+ > rocks minus the key entry problem. > My question is: how is everyone overlooking the key entry problem > (where every keystroke isn't recognized) and bringing yourselves to use > the 49 G+? > One last thing, why did they change up the keyboard on the 49G+ compared > to the 48 GX on stuff that should not have been changed (trivial at > best). For instance, ÒTimeÓ on the 48 G is rightshift Ò4Ó and on the 49 > G+ it is Right shift Ò9Ó. It seems that they were almost trying to > annoy me personally. ;-) === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... posting-account=boybFQ0AAACcJkbp4Mpsq2-jhOTZrn5e i use my 48gx for work (where 2 2 + is 4) and my 49g+ for fun :) reth === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... > i use my 48gx for work (where 2 2 + is 4) and my 49g+ for fun :) > reth I am the same way, 48 G for when it matters and 49G+ for when I want to goof off and see what neat things it can do. Prices for the G series are out of sight, at least for the GX line. I have picked up 1 g, 1 g+ and a GX in the last two weeks. I actually got the GX from my brother who doesn't use it anymore. :-) I am just really upset that then 49G+ still misses my key entry's. It is very annoying and inexcusable. I guess if the 49G+ keyboard really was top notch, the G series prices would be a lot lower. I can't believe that I have got two calculators (49G+) that do the same thing, miss key strokes, but yet some people say theirs is fine. Either they are not using them as much as me or they are pounding the crapola out of their keyboard (even that doesn't work on my 49G+'s). Dissapointed HP fanatic here... === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... > I can't believe that I have got two calculators (49G+) that do the > same thing, miss key strokes, but yet some people say theirs is fine. > Either they are not using them as much as me or they are pounding the > crapola out of their keyboard (even that doesn't work on my 49G+'s). Well, then you have an idea of how I felt when I was the only one in a year or so that said my HP49G+ missed keystrokes - everybody else said naah, you just push the keys in a weird way :-) Steen === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... >I can't believe that I have got two calculators (49G+) that do the >same thing, miss key strokes, but yet some people say theirs is fine. >Either they are not using them as much as me or they are pounding the >crapola out of their keyboard (even that doesn't work on my 49G+'s). As an HP user for 18+ years I feel bad for today's engineers. They will never know the joy of using a work of art that's also a powerful computing machine. I never had any silly keyboard issues with my 11C, 15C, 41CX, 28S, 48SX, or 48G+. The HP of today forgot all about their glorious past and are now putting out cheap-quality, me-too items like the 49G+ (people who like Algebraic aren't going to buy HPs, stop putting it in HP calculators). Granted, the software inside the calculator is superior to any TI (or older HPs), but what good is it if you can't rely on the calculator itself? > Well, then you have an idea of how I felt when I was the only one in a > year or so that said my HP49G+ missed keystrokes - everybody else said > naah, you just push the keys in a weird way :-) > Steen It's so sad that even after so many people spoke up, HP is still working on it...and still haven't got it right. After returning my 49G+ for the umpteenth time because of the darn key press issue, I'm going back to my 48G+. Maybe one day, before I die, HP will revive the classics or at least pick up what's left of their pride and put out a true quality line of RPN calculators again. My $0.02, John === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... hello, Some might say that I am biased, but I put my HP48GX in my drawer when I got my first HP49G+ prototypes (note that I kept using my HP48GX instead of my HP49G, but the G+ is so much better than the G that they were no way I would keep using a GX...) >> I can't believe that I have got two calculators (49G+) that do the >>same thing, miss key strokes, but yet some people say theirs is fine. >>Either they are not using them as much as me or they are pounding the >>crapola out of their keyboard (even that doesn't work on my 49G+'s). > As an HP user for 18+ years I feel bad for today's engineers. They will > never know the joy of using a work of art that's also a powerful computing > machine. I never had any silly keyboard issues with my 11C, 15C, 41CX, > 28S, 48SX, or 48G+. The HP of today forgot all about their glorious past > and are now putting out cheap-quality, me-too items like the 49G+ (people > who like Algebraic aren't going to buy HPs, stop putting it in HP > calculators). Granted, the software inside the calculator is superior to > any TI (or older HPs), but what good is it if you can't rely on the > calculator itself? >> Well, then you have an idea of how I felt when I was the only one in a >> year or so that said my HP49G+ missed keystrokes - everybody else said >> naah, you just push the keys in a weird way :-) >> Steen > It's so sad that even after so many people spoke up, HP is still working > on it...and still haven't got it right. > After returning my 49G+ for the umpteenth time because of the darn key > press issue, I'm going back to my 48G+. Maybe one day, before I die, HP > will revive the classics or at least pick up what's left of their pride > and put out a true quality line of RPN calculators again. > My $0.02, > John === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... > hello, > Some might say that I am biased, but I put my HP48GX in my drawer when I got > my first HP49G+ prototypes (note that I kept using my HP48GX instead of my > HP49G, but the G+ is so much better than the G that they were no way I would > keep using a GX...) DUP === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... Cyrille, I haven't followed this newsgroup for a while, but it appears you are the resident guru (as well as an HP employee). I just want to make it clear that I think the software inside the HP 49G+ is the best I've seen in a calculator so far. That is absolutely true. However, the hardware really is shameful and so is the documentation. I really loved those Advanced User's Guides and Reference Manuals HP used to put out for the HP 48G+/GX and HP 49G. The 3-manual set for the HP 48SX (I'm counting the HP 48 Programmer's Reference Manual) was how I learned to use/program the 48SX to its fullest. I can't see how you can fully appreciate the 49G+ and 48GII with the dismal documentation that HP put out with these calculators. Unless, of course, you were already a 48 series user and were familiar with the calculator's power. But I digress. The hardware must be fixed. Now and then, I take out the batteries from my 49G+ and leave them out for 24 to 48 hours and put them back in with the hope that the unit would magically fix itself. At least, this seemed to be the only solution an HP tech support person would tell me every time I email or call in with a question. John > hello, > Some might say that I am biased, but I put my HP48GX in my drawer when I got > my first HP49G+ prototypes (note that I kept using my HP48GX instead of my > HP49G, but the G+ is so much better than the G that they were no way I would > keep using a GX...) [...deleted...] === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... I must agree with John I love my 49g+, I love the software inside; periodically i have a hit key missing, but i get over it. they moved some keys, but i get over it. i accept everything, but the lack of manual is terrible. here in Italy they sell with a little manual in italian. but if i want the full manual i have to download it in english. for me it's not a problem, but my friends can't read english. and anyway printing a 866 pages manual is a business. and there is no command reference, i found it after a month of research somewhere. i give only a stupid example: I had the 48G and i know that right arrow is SWAP, but a poor beginner..... how long will it take to learn it? it's not written on the keyboard and difficult to spot on the manuals. Davide p.s. if HP needs a translator English -> italian i offer myself! :-) John Nguyen ha scritto nel messaggio > Cyrille, > I haven't followed this newsgroup for a while, but it appears you are the > resident guru (as well as an HP employee). I just want to make it clear > that I think the software inside the HP 49G+ is the best I've seen in a > calculator so far. That is absolutely true. > However, the hardware really is shameful and so is the documentation. I > really loved those Advanced User's Guides and Reference Manuals HP used to > put out for the HP 48G+/GX and HP 49G. The 3-manual set for the HP 48SX > (I'm counting the HP 48 Programmer's Reference Manual) was how I learned > to use/program the 48SX to its fullest. I can't see how you can fully > appreciate the 49G+ and 48GII with the dismal documentation that HP put > out with these calculators. Unless, of course, you were already a 48 > series user and were familiar with the calculator's power. > But I digress. The hardware must be fixed. Now and then, I take out the > batteries from my 49G+ and leave them out for 24 to 48 hours and put them > back in with the hope that the unit would magically fix itself. At least, > this seemed to be the only solution an HP tech support person would tell > me every time I email or call in with a question. > John >> hello, >> Some might say that I am biased, but I put my HP48GX in my drawer when I >> got my first HP49G+ prototypes (note that I kept using my HP48GX instead >> of my HP49G, but the G+ is so much better than the G that they were no >> way I would keep using a GX...) > [...deleted...] === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... <43009329$0$161$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk> <5X7Me.8480$xW.7132@bignews6.bellsouth.net> posting-account=suN8BAwAAADcO6y731yl1i28HsnmFzQ- I have 2 48SX (had another one stolen), 1 48GX, and 1 49g+ I gave the SX's to my daughers to use in high school this year. I use the 48GX at the office and the 49g+ is in my office drawer. I still prefer the SX in style and fuction over all the newer ones even though is it a little slower. I despise menu driven junk. I guess I would still prefer UNIX or DOS also. So, what else can I say? I must be getting old! David > Cyrille, > .... === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... <43009329$0$161$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk> <5X7Me.8480$xW.7132@bignews6.bellsouth.net> posting-account=cDjNzQ0AAABYi8nSTqQBPwRMH3jHIbL8 > it appears you are the resident guru (as well as an HP employee). Congradulations Cyrille! We should buy you a hat or something. ;-) >I take out the batteries from my 49G+ and leave them out for 24 to >48 hours and put them back in with the hope that the unit would >magically fix itself. Funny thing is, it often does! =) TW === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... schrieb im Newsbeitrag >> it appears you are the resident guru (as well as an HP employee). > [..] >>I take out the batteries from my 49G+ and leave them out for 24 to >>48 hours and put them back in with the hope that the unit would >>magically fix itself. > Funny thing is, it often does! =) I came across in the early nineties, when the Jargon File actually was a single file. It's A story about 'Magic' . Here's the link: http://www.retrologic.com/jargon/magic-story.html Have fun:-) Raymond === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... Cyrille, so you don't have the missing keystroke problem? I do calculations and after calculation every day and can't afford to be studying over my screen seeing if what I typed in made it. No doubt the 49G+ is a better calculator but when you can't trust the keypad, it is worthless. I am just glad I am not the only one who feels this way. Long live the G series until they get a keypad worth using. :-) > hello, > Some might say that I am biased, but I put my HP48GX in my drawer when I got > my first HP49G+ prototypes (note that I kept using my HP48GX instead of my > HP49G, but the G+ is so much better than the G that they were no way I would > keep using a GX...) > > I can't believe that I have got two calculators (49G+) that do the >same thing, miss key strokes, but yet some people say theirs is fine. >Either they are not using them as much as me or they are pounding the >crapola out of their keyboard (even that doesn't work on my 49G+'s). As an HP user for 18+ years I feel bad for today's engineers. They will never know the joy of using a work of art that's also a powerful computing machine. I never had any silly keyboard issues with my 11C, 15C, 41CX, 28S, 48SX, or 48G+. The HP of today forgot all about their glorious past and are now putting out cheap-quality, me-too items like the 49G+ (people who like Algebraic aren't going to buy HPs, stop putting it in HP calculators). Granted, the software inside the calculator is superior to any TI (or older HPs), but what good is it if you can't rely on the calculator itself? > > > Well, then you have an idea of how I felt when I was the only one in a > year or so that said my HP49G+ missed keystrokes - everybody else said > naah, you just push the keys in a weird way :-) > > Steen It's so sad that even after so many people spoke up, HP is still working on it...and still haven't got it right. After returning my 49G+ for the umpteenth time because of the darn key press issue, I'm going back to my 48G+. Maybe one day, before I die, HP will revive the classics or at least pick up what's left of their pride and put out a true quality line of RPN calculators again. My $0.02, John === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... posting-account=lAaz6QwAAABR-WEJBEnTuXipZ8zCV0L0 My new hp49g+ does not show any of the missed our double key presses. It has the same functionaliyt and more than my 48GX and is way faster. For real life applications I don't see any reason to use the 48GX anymore. Of course to play with my old calculators, the 48GX comes out from time to time. The 49g+ is my calculator. Arnaud === Subject: Re: To those who own both, which do you prefer? (48 G series or 49G+) I am a 48 G guy and here is why... I have a 48sx and 48gx. Both of them are in a drawer somewhere. I use my 49G+ as a nice 4 function calculator with an infinite stack. Every now and then I'll use it to do a unit conversion. : I see all these threads about the 49G+ and I really am stunned so many : people are using them over the G series. I own five g series : calculators (3 gx's, 1 g, and 1 g+) and two 49 G+ calculators (CN40 and : CNA515). : My first G series was a GX purchased back in 1995. Everything from : dropping it on the floor more times than I can count and spilling a full : can of Mountain Dew on it has not slowed it down one bit. : I am on my second 49 G+ and the fact that this one, being almost a year : newer than my first 49 G+ still does not enter key clicks in when I : press the button every time. This is so freaking unacceptable I cannot : believe this is still a problem a year later. : I have reverted to using my G series calculators even though the 49 G+ : rocks minus the key entry problem. : My question is: how is everyone overlooking the key entry problem : (where every keystroke isn't recognized) and bringing yourselves to use : the 49 G+? : One last thing, why did they change up the keyboard on the 49G+ compared : to the 48 GX on stuff that should not have been changed (trivial at : best). For instance, ?Time? on the 48 G is rightshift ?4? and on the 49 : G+ it is Right shift ?9?. It seems that they were almost trying to : annoy me personally. ;-) -- ------------------- Keep working millions on welfare depend on you === Subject: Re: HPConnect >Which raises a question: is the problem that HP49G+ users don't use >Macs? Is the problem that my software sucks and no one can use it? Or >is there another, better package that I am unaware of? Or should I be >advertising HPConnect on other websites? A more likely reason is that the community of 49g+ users is fairly small. :-( > Yes....still under million users... > VPN I just found out about it. Downloading it now! Btw, know of a good program for macs running Tiger to transfer stuff to the 48 G series? :-) === Subject: Re: HPConnect > Btw, know of a good program for macs running Tiger to transfer stuff to > the 48 G series? :-) Old but very robust. I use ZTerm. Jean-Yves === Subject: Re: HPConnect Monsieur Cure-dent schrieb im Newsbeitrag > [..] > Btw, know of a good program for macs running Tiger to transfer stuff to > the 48 G series? :-) Since Mac OSX is a BSD Unix derivat basically, it should have at least KERMIT and a terminal program capable of XModem available. Raymond === Subject: Re: HPConnect > Since Mac OSX is a BSD Unix derivat basically, > it should have at least KERMIT and a terminal program > capable of XModem available. If you don't know.. Why do you even answer? JY === Subject: Re: HPConnect Jean-Yves Avenard schrieb im Newsbeitrag >> Since Mac OSX is a BSD Unix derivat basically, >> it should have at least KERMIT and a terminal program >> capable of XModem available. > If you don't know.. Why do you even answer? What's the problem here? I made a reasonable assumption. Raymond === Subject: Re: HPConnect Maybe the problem is that most of your posts lately have been assumptions Jean-Yves === Subject: Re: HPConnect Jean-Yves Avenard schrieb im Newsbeitrag > Maybe the problem is that most of your posts lately have been > assumptions so could you please show me some examples, except the initial post in this thread? Raymond === Subject: Re: HPConnect >Jean-Yves Avenard schrieb im Newsbeitrag > Since Mac OSX is a BSD Unix derivat basically, > it should have at least KERMIT and a terminal program > capable of XModem available. >> If you don't know.. Why do you even answer? >What's the problem here? >I made a reasonable assumption. Why not also spend a minute doing a web search so you can supply some useful information? http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mac.html http://www.ncus.org.uk/fjan03.htm http://www.download.com/sort/3150-2287_4-0-1-1.html >Raymond -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Schlyter, Grev Turegatan 40, SE-114 38 Stockholm, SWEDEN e-mail: pausch at stockholm dot bostream dot se WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/ === Subject: Re: HPConnect >>Jean-Yves Avenard schrieb im Newsbeitrag >> Since Mac OSX is a BSD Unix derivat basically, >> it should have at least KERMIT and a terminal program >> capable of XModem available. > If you don't know.. Why do you even answer? >>What's the problem here? >>I made a reasonable assumption. > Why not also spend a minute doing a web search so you can > supply some useful information? > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mac.html > http://www.ncus.org.uk/fjan03.htm > http://www.download.com/sort/3150-2287_4-0-1-1.html Alternatively, look for lszrz and minicom. You may have to build them yourself, but that should be a doddle. -- Raymond Wiker rwiker@gmail.com === Subject: Text Editor on Screen PC posting-account=llqzxQ0AAABJU0Sr-eVsjQR8HDtqO8Mu Hi fellas: Just a small question. How can I see the text editor of the calculator on my pc (after connecting the calc. to the PC o.c) to can work later using the keyboard of the PC to write the information on it? Can I make some copy and paste with the mouse from different sources and then put this information on the text editor and save it afterwards? Jp === Subject: Re: Text Editor on Screen PC posting-account=FjwNTA0AAACkoOZvbPG9Ru9bQtWL4f1J You can open Windows notepad and write anything then send as text to your 49g+. Then can see in your hp simply using SCROLL command or VIEW. Maybe your question is not fully undestanded*. *sorry my english === Subject: Re: Text Editor on Screen PC First of all, if you want to make your HP49g+ interact with your computer, you have to install a program, the HP Calculator Connectivity Kit, which you can download at the following address : http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/CoreRedirect.jsp?targetPage=ftp%3A%2F%2 Fftp.hp.com%2Fpub%2Fsoftlib%2Fsoftware4%2FCOL4344%2Fca-14082-7%2F48gii49Gplus _connectivity_kit_usb_drivers.zip Once installed, plug your calculator, press ON, launch the Connectivity Kit. On you calculator, press RS and right arrow key (RS: Right Shift), the display should change. On your computer, be sure that the third icon, on the right, displays letters and not figures (if not, click on it). Then, click on the first icon, a message Looking for calculators ... should appear briefly. Now, you can see the content of your HP49G+. Select the file you want to modify, click and drag on a window of explorer where you want to save the temporary file (for example, a windows like My Documents), a new file should be created, with the name of the variable. Edit it in Notepad, save the changes and do the reverse manipulation with the HP Calculator Connectivity Kit. A message will ask you whether you want to replace the existing file on the calc, answer Yes. Hoping, it will help you, Christophe LALUC > Hi fellas: > Just a small question. How can I see the text editor of the calculator > on my pc (after connecting the calc. to the PC o.c) to can work later > using the keyboard of the PC to write the information on it? > Can I make some copy and paste with the mouse from different sources > and then put this information on the text editor and save it > afterwards? > Jp === Subject: Re: Text Editor on Screen PC schrieb .. > Can I make some copy and paste with the mouse from different sources > and then put this information on the text editor and save it > afterwards? Hi Jp, assuming you use emu48, you can copy and paste strings. Use window-comands: Edit Past String/(Copy String) Heiko === Subject: Text Editor on Screen PC? <4300d9fd$0$949$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> posting-account=llqzxQ0AAABJU0Sr-eVsjQR8HDtqO8Mu > Hi Jp, > assuming you use emu48, you can copy and paste strings. > Use window-comands: > Edit > Past String/(Copy String) > Heiko Hi Heiko: Actually I am using the real calculator and no the emu48, so I want to connect this calc and then open the text editor to copy some text; let's say from a web site for instance, then save it into the calc (I don't know much about Hp49 g+, just in case...I don't even know how to see the calc and text editor after connecting and plug on the screen pc, help please!!!). Jp === Subject: Re: Text Editor on Screen PC? > Actually I am using the real calculator and no the emu48 Maybe Heiko was pointing out that you can do so much more by using your real calculator *with* Emu48 on your PC, because then not only can you copy/paste so easily between Emu48 and PC text (to test entirely on PC first, for example), but also you can then transfer between Emu48 and calc via cable, just like two identical calcs exchanging files: [r->][OFF] === Subject: How can I read HP programs in my Pocket PC? posting-account=lCKcAg0AAADsds5K7rIhkSEU5vSZQ9To I'd like to know if some body can help with this. I have a Pocket PC with HP calculator emulator within. My pocket and Calculator works exelent, but when I download software to my Pocket. My HP Emulator can not read it. So how can I do to get this?. Jhonny === Subject: How can I read HP programs in my Pocket PC? posting-account=lCKcAg0AAADsds5K7rIhkSEU5vSZQ9To My Pocket PC is a Cassiopeia E-200, Windows CE 2002, prossesor Strong Arm. I think my operative system and device are ok and my HP emulator was download from www.hpcalc.org, so I think I shouldn't have problems with this. I'll follow your recomendations to try that it works, but if you have more recomendation would be usefull for me. Jhonny === Subject: Re: How can I read HP programs in my Pocket PC? schrieb > My pocket and Calculator works exelent, but when I download software to > my Pocket. My HP Emulator can not read it. So how can I do to get > this?. Hello Jhonny, the files you tranfer with load object might be in ASCII-format. There is a sysRPL-program available on www.hpcalc.org (search for ascii which toggles the format, see also: === Subject: Re: Emu48 <-> Ascii programs Approved. <35CE257B.83095A9B@sti.com.br>,<6r87af$nev$2@news.iastate.edu>,<6rhl9v$k l3$1@news.iastate.edu> Heiko === Subject: Re: How can I read HP programs in my Pocket PC? > schrieb >> My pocket and Calculator works exelent, but when I download software > to >> my Pocket. My HP Emulator can not read it. So how can I do to get >> this?. > Hello Jhonny, > the files you tranfer with load object might be in ASCII-format. > There is a sysRPL-program available on www.hpcalc.org > (search for ascii which toggles the format, see also: Heiko's on the right track, as I vaguely recall having to do this with an actual 48. Your quickest bet is probably to check out the 48/49 FAQs as I group in the early-mid 90s period. (Also if it was a text program with unexpected line termination it would need to be edited via the same(?) or other program. Usually you got a string object on the stack instead of the expected binary object or program... IIRC) (I used to run the emulator on a Casio E-120, but didn't use it enough or have a need for transferring programs to it other than quickies that I a bit flakey IIRC, so I replaced it with another real calc, a 49G ...) === Subject: Re: How can I read HP programs in my Pocket PC? posting-account=boybFQ0AAACcJkbp4Mpsq2-jhOTZrn5e you have to be *a lot more specific * about your hardware and software if you want someone here to help you === Subject: Re: How can I read HP programs in my Pocket PC? posting-account=fgGaTw0AAAD45Fx2_7bZCc6hcNf--wQo Try a little harder next time ! === Subject: SC posting-account=JsAn3AwAAADGls087ebx6zXiNzDiYoQ3 New program for HP 49G and 49g+ available: The Memory Scanner. Enjoy it! August 15, 2005 www.gaak.org - GaaK - === Subject: Re: SC posting-account=FjwNTA0AAACkoOZvbPG9Ru9bQtWL4f1J Muy buen programa, quiz.87s editor hexagesimal ser.92a un nombre m.87s adecuado. Una duda: ÀLas aplicaciones internas de la HP pueden ser modificadas por ese programa, por ejemplo el EQW Writer? :D === Subject: Re: SC posting-account=JsAn3AwAAADGls087ebx6zXiNzDiYoQ3 > Muy buen programa, quiz.87s editor hexagesimal ser.92a un nombre m.87s > adecuado. > Una duda: ÀLas aplicaciones internas de la HP pueden ser modificadas > por ese programa, por ejemplo el EQW Writer? > :D No. This Sectors are ROM (Read Only Memory) - GaaK - === Subject: Display status screen while GX still works, how? & mac cable Anyone know a simple way to display a status bar or just a simple message on the screen during program execution that allows the program to continue running in the background? I want a message to flash on the screen while the program is still executing to let the user know what stage the program is in and that something is going on under the screen. This would need to be in USER RPL too. Can I get any more picky? :-) One last thing, I asked a question about what prgram to use with my Mac (running Tiger) but I just realized I don't have a cable. I have a pc serial cable that I am using with my work computer (pc) to do some file transfers. Can I use that cable with a usb to serial adapter and get it to work with my iMac? What cable's are you Mac users using. I have a iMac G5 btw. === Subject: Re: Display status screen while GX still works, how? & mac cable > Anyone know a simple way to display a status bar or just a simple > message on the screen during program execution that allows the program > to continue running in the background? I want a message to flash on the > screen while the program is still executing to let the user know what > stage the program is in and that something is going on under the screen. DISP and read the manual JY === Subject: Re: Display status screen while GX still works, how? & mac cable Anyone know a simple way to display a status bar or just a simple message on the screen during program execution that allows the program to continue running in the background? I want a message to flash on the screen while the program is still executing to let the user know what stage the program is in and that something is going on under the screen. > DISP and read the manual > JY I did not realize that DISP would allow the program to keep working. === Subject: HP Xpander Prototype for Sale on eBay Check out http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5798951801 if you are interested in a real HP Xpander. ambanmba === Subject: Re: HP Xpander Prototype for Sale on eBay posting-account=hYpJhAwAAABbgx9xHixEB8na9TYTFvkV > Check out > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5798951801 if you > are interested in a real HP Xpander. > ambanmba I thought selling these prototypes was supposed to be illegal. Isn't it? Bhuvanesh. === Subject: Re: HP Xpander Prototype for Sale on eBay posting-account=xTXGjg0AAABF1XGdodFZ180P8uioZUdq if you have a pocketpc you can give it a try: http://www.pocketpcfreewares.com/en/index.php?soft=644 uday === Subject: how to transform rectangular to polar with 49g+ ??? posting-account=RcPRuA0AAABQ1PtaB6fDS2aARZhzvLc3 With all the old HPs and with the 33s it is very simple to access the key R->P or P->R to transform rectangle coordinates to polar coordinates. f.e.: 3 4 [R-P] ---> 5 36,87¡ How can I access this command on the 49G+ ??? Christian === Subject: Re: how to transform rectangular to polar with 49g+ ??? > With all the old HPs and with the 33s it is very simple > to access the key R->P or P->R to transform rectangle coordinates > to polar coordinates. > f.e.: 3 4 [R-P] ---> 5 36,87¡ > How can I access this command on the 49G+ ??? The reason there is none is that on *old* calcs you had to use *two* separate real number objects (stack levels) to store two coordinates, and the possible meanings of the coordinates (whether rectangular or polar, and if polar then what degree mode) had to be kept track of in your mind, not that the calc itself could remember. Calculations using such two-part objects were also a formidable task to carry out. On the newer HP calcs, *one* object can represent a *pair* of coordinates together, and it has only *one* internal form (which happens to be rectangular); the polar form(s) are only alternate *display* options (and are also understood by the built-in *compiler* which replaced the number-only input of the old calcs), and calculations upon these new multi-part objects are simple, built-in commands, so there has been a deep evolution in the fundamental style of calculation between the old calcs and HP48/49, which makes the old and new ways a bit incompatible, just like any different human generations :) Of course, you can make the new calcs act old if you like, e.g.: P->R: << -16. SF ->V2 -16. CF V-> R->P: << -16. CF ->V2 -16. SF V-> To preserve the original flag state, if desired, insert RCLF UNROT at the beginning and ROT STOF at the end of each of the above. Time traveling back to 2002 for more verbose discussions: Good grief, the beta has vanished from new Google Groups URLs; what miracles a $4 billion new stock offering can accomplish :) [r->][OFF] === Subject: Re: how to transform rectangular to polar with 49g+ ??? posting-account=cDjNzQ0AAABYi8nSTqQBPwRMH3jHIbL8 Push MTH VECT and you are in the vector conversion menu. Enter two numbers, Push ->V2, push NXT and you can select which format to convet it to. TW === Subject: Re: how to transform rectangular to polar with 49g+ ??? ok thx... but this is strange: 33s: 3 4 [R->P] 5 36,87¡ 49g+ 4 3 [R->P] 5 36,87¡ schrieb im Newsbeitrag > Push MTH VECT and you are in the vector conversion menu. Enter two > numbers, Push ->V2, push NXT and you can select which format to convet > it to. > TW === Subject: Re: how to transform rectangular to polar with 49g+ ??? It's normal. With the HP-33s you have to enter y and then x and the order is reversed with the HP-49g+ (which seems more logical but there is definitely a reason). Christophe LALUC 430220f0$0$11760$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net... > ok thx... > but this is strange: > 33s: > 3 4 [R->P] 5 36,87¡ > 49g+ > 4 3 [R->P] 5 36,87¡ > schrieb im Newsbeitrag >> Push MTH VECT and you are in the vector conversion menu. Enter two >> numbers, Push ->V2, push NXT and you can select which format to convet >> it to. >> TW === Subject: Re: how to transform rectangular to polar with 49g+ ??? The HP-33S follows the 4-level stack scheme (that we know and love) with X, Y, Z, T being the 4 levels. HP likes for the user to put x value on X level, y value on Y level when entering data. The HP-49G+ doesn't have the concept of a 4-level stack so it's free to allow you to enter in data more naturally. John > It's normal. With the HP-33s you have to enter y and then x and the order is > reversed with the HP-49g+ (which seems more logical but there is definitely > a reason). > Christophe LALUC > 430220f0$0$11760$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net... >>ok thx... >>but this is strange: >>33s: >>3 4 [R->P] 5 36,87¡ >>49g+ >>4 3 [R->P] 5 36,87¡ >> schrieb im Newsbeitrag >Push MTH VECT and you are in the vector conversion menu. Enter two >numbers, Push ->V2, push NXT and you can select which format to convet >it to. >TW === Subject: website with solutions..... posting-account=UZpa1g0AAAAGK-b1uuwdq2SDcb2fyNNB books solution manuals. I know there are few ones I found but they are not up to date on the text books solution manual they have in stock. IF there are any other good ones let me know . I'm a EE student === Subject: Simplifying a imaginary equation how do I simplify an equation like R3 * 1/(J*w*C3) --------------- R3 + 1/(J*w*C3) without getting the nasty (1,0) format, basically I want to simplify it to R3 ------------ R3*J*w*c3 +1 But I cannot work out how to do this, help appreciated. Mick Carey www.mickpc.bigpondhosting.com === Subject: Re: Simplifying a imaginary equation > how do I simplify an equation like > R3 * 1/(J*w*C3) > --------------- > R3 + 1/(J*w*C3) > without getting the nasty (1,0) format, basically I want to simplify > it to > R3 > ------------ > R3*J*w*c3 +1 You need to be in exact mode (can be done with the XQ command), and it might be necessary to set flag -27 (although in this particular case I think not). Then you just do INV EVAL INV on your original expression (The INV trick is necessary if you use i as the imaginary constant - with J this isn't needed). Steen === Subject: Need HP42S rom posting-account=p1SMYg0AAAAhwgjCJ4xq-4L8To-cDz3S My own HP42S was stolen (or borrowed and not returned) and I really miss the HP42S way of doing things. I have a PocketPC and found software that would allow a HP42S to be emulated but it requires the HP42S rom. I know of no other in my local neighbourhood that uses this calculator and am resorting to asking here. Considering that I do own an HP42S I don't think it would be illegal to give me a copy of the ROM. I do have the cover and the manual left to prove it, if necessary. === Subject: Re: Need HP42S rom posting-account=lAaz6QwAAABR-WEJBEnTuXipZ8zCV0L0 You may want to check this: http://home.planet.nl/%7Edemun000/thomas_projects/free42/ Arnaud === Subject: Re: Need HP42S rom posting-account=p1SMYg0AAAAhwgjCJ4xq-4L8To-cDz3S I have, but carrying my pc with me around is not an option ;-) Very nice work, though, and it is installed and my new pc-calculator. I have aquired the rom, though, and I will now see if I can live with that solution. Getting a real HP42S is not exactly easy these days. === Subject: Re: Need HP42S rom posting-account=boybFQ0AAACcJkbp4Mpsq2-jhOTZrn5e sure it is - plenty ot them on ebay :) === Subject: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? Ok guys doing some advance research here Starting a college algebra class next week and even tho I haven't talked to the teacher yet I'm assuming I will need a graphing calculator. I also hope to take more advanced math such as calc and geometry in upcoming semesters Given that info any advice on graphing calculators to buy? TI or HP? I know its too early yet since I haven't talked to the teacher.... but I don't even OWN a calculator and trying to do /think in advance. BTW.... I'm 47 yr old. Never went to college after high school. Big mistake. I did however take a lot of math in high school. All the way up to calculus back in 1976. Maybe a little background on me might help with any advice John === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? >Ok guys doing some advance research here >Starting a college algebra class next week and even tho >I haven't talked to the teacher yet I'm assuming I will >need a graphing calculator. Wait until first day of classes and check what calculator is recommended by the teacher. You must be compatible with this one that he is using and the other students are using. A.L. P.S. 1. recommended should be read required 2. This group is NOT the best group to ask this questions. People here are HEAVILY biased towards HP calculators and RPN notation. They will recommend with full enthusiasm any piece of crap that has HP logo on it, even if for this or that reason it is not useable === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? i wanted to say my experience, just to enter in the group. at the licee i had a TI 68 and i loved. the at the university the professor suggested me the HP48G and i loved it even more. her only problem was the low amount of memory. now i have a HP49G+ and is grate. i never plot functions, but i do a lot of matrix calculations and a bit of programing. the HP fullfills all my needs, so I recomend HP to friends. Davide ha scritto nel messaggio > Ok guys doing some advance research here > Starting a college algebra class next week and even tho > I haven't talked to the teacher yet I'm assuming I will > need a graphing calculator. > I also hope to take more advanced math such as calc and > geometry in upcoming semesters > Given that info any advice on graphing calculators to > buy? TI or HP? > I know its too early yet since I haven't talked to the > teacher.... but I don't even OWN a calculator and > trying to do /think in advance. > BTW.... I'm 47 yr old. Never went to college after high > school. Big mistake. > I did however take a lot of math in high school. All > the way up to calculus back in 1976. > Maybe a little background on me might help with any > advice > John === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? I am neither condoning your conclusion that a spiffy calculator is a requirement for your math studies, nor am I making any recommendations. I am supplying following completely without prejudice. HP & TI are not your only calculator choices. Casio has a very broad range of calculators available, Sharp has a far smaller, but still noteworthy, range. See: Casio: http://world.casio.com/edu/ http://www.classpad.org/index.php Sharp: http://www.sharpusa.com/products/FunctionLanding/0,1050,4,00.html Happy shopping! Cordially, Richard Kanarek (Another elderly math student) === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? > http://www.classpad.org/index.php the Classpad is a good idea, but bad made. It's worst thing is the crappy display - bad contrast and usable as a mirror.... And the one, that i tested in April hasn't had a valid serial-number, which is necessary for registration for firmware-download. :( So i sent it back and probably i'll try again next year. In the meantime i will buy an HP 49+ ... Volker -- Besides, i'm of the opinon, that TCPA has to be stopped === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? > Ok guys doing some advance research here > Starting a college algebra class next week and even tho > I haven't talked to the teacher yet I'm assuming I will > need a graphing calculator. > I also hope to take more advanced math such as calc and > geometry in upcoming semesters > Given that info any advice on graphing calculators to > buy? TI or HP? > I know its too early yet since I haven't talked to the > teacher.... but I don't even OWN a calculator and > trying to do /think in advance. > BTW.... I'm 47 yr old. Never went to college after high > school. Big mistake. > I did however take a lot of math in high school. All > the way up to calculus back in 1976. > Maybe a little background on me might help with any > advice > John Unfortunately, if your school is like my son's, you have no choice. You have to get a TI and belabor the brute inefficiency an frustration of algebraic entry. RPN is not just a boon to massive number crunching, I find it pleasantly efficient in work-a-day numbers crunching. It only takes 20 minutes to get used to it, after which you'll want nothing else. I gave my father one when he was still working, I think a 32C. After years of using the TIs, he couldn't believe he hadn't bothered with HP sooner. Scott === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? Once more: get the hp 49g+ You can choose between RPN & Algebraic entry and even mix them! VPN Ok guys doing some advance research here Starting a college algebra class next week and even tho I haven't talked to the teacher yet I'm assuming I will need a graphing calculator. I also hope to take more advanced math such as calc and geometry in upcoming semesters Given that info any advice on graphing calculators to buy? TI or HP? I know its too early yet since I haven't talked to the teacher.... but I don't even OWN a calculator and trying to do /think in advance. BTW.... I'm 47 yr old. Never went to college after high school. Big mistake. I did however take a lot of math in high school. All the way up to calculus back in 1976. Maybe a little background on me might help with any advice John > Unfortunately, if your school is like my son's, you have no choice. You have > to get a TI and belabor the brute inefficiency an frustration of algebraic > entry. RPN is not just a boon to massive number crunching, I find it > pleasantly efficient in work-a-day numbers crunching. It only takes 20 > minutes to get used to it, after which you'll want nothing else. > I gave my father one when he was still working, I think a 32C. After years > of using the TIs, he couldn't believe he hadn't bothered with HP sooner. > Scott === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? > Once more: get the hp 49g+ > You can choose between RPN & Algebraic entry > and even mix them! One of the most useless features of the 49 series... If I had wanted an algebraic calc, I would have bought a TI. Why would you want to mix ? IMHO, this is also one of the flaws of the Qonos project (Is that still alive?): trying to put different things that do the same task into one machine. That is just a tech show off. It doesn't meet any actual user requirement, except that of nerds wanting to toy around maybe... Jaap === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? : > Once more: get the hp 49g+ : > You can choose between RPN & Algebraic entry : > and even mix them! : One of the most useless features of the 49 series... If I had wanted an : algebraic calc, I would have bought a TI. Why would you want to mix ? : IMHO, this is also one of the flaws of the Qonos project (Is that still : alive?): trying to put different things that do the same task into one : machine. That is just a tech show off. It doesn't meet any actual user : requirement, except that of nerds wanting to toy around maybe... I actually think that being able to choose between algebriac mode and rpn mode is a nice feature. Believe it or not some people actually prefer algegraic entry to rpn. Others have spent a long time using algebriac entry machines and don't want to spend $100+ on a machine with rpn entry. -- ------------------- Keep working millions on welfare depend on you === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? Once more: get the hp 49g+ You can choose between RPN & Algebraic entry and even mix them! > One of the most useless features of the 49 series... If I had wanted an > algebraic calc, I would have bought a TI. Why would you want to mix ? Not you, but does TI has that kind of versatility? Someone (like me) might want to mix Don't tell that you dpn't use EQW and ALgebraics in RPN mode? > IMHO, this is also one of the flaws of the Qonos project (Is that still > alive?): trying to put different things that do the same task into one no, No, NO !!! They are trying to sell to BOTH byers: Former HP 49 owners and TI owners, too You choose which one and leave it as you like > machine. That is just a tech show off. It doesn't meet any actual user > requirement, except that of nerds wanting to toy around maybe... > Jaap Veep === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? > Not you, but does TI has that kind of versatility? > Someone (like me) might want to mix That's not an answer to the question why you would want it ;) > Don't tell that you dpn't use EQW and ALgebraics in RPN mode? EQW, yes, but that is hardly algebraic input.. it's more like graphical input.. You can build the expression in many different ways. I mainly use it to copy a formula from paper. Actually I sometimes struggle with the EQW writer because it doesn't support RPN input, like first typing two vars and then using +. > no, No, NO !!! > They are trying to sell to BOTH byers: > Former HP 49 owners and TI owners, too > You choose which one and leave it as you like Then create two machines with different keyboards... or is that the plan ? IMO: Wanting to do it all is silly. Most likely you will dissappoint everyone, because a compromise always comes at a price. Jaap === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? Try dragging a selection across the = sign. You would expect it to at least change signs and jump to the other side (if applicable). No can do.. Toby > ... > EQW, yes, but that is hardly algebraic input.. it's more like graphical > input.. You can build the expression in many different ways. I mainly use > it to copy a formula from paper. Actually I sometimes struggle with the > EQW writer because it doesn't support RPN input, like first typing two > vars and then using +. > ... > Jaap === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? > Starting a college algebra class next week and even tho > I haven't talked to the teacher yet I'm assuming I will > need a graphing calculator. > I also hope to take more advanced math such as calc and > geometry in upcoming semesters > Given that info any advice on graphing calculators to > buy? TI or HP? > I know its too early yet since I haven't talked to the > teacher.... but I don't even OWN a calculator and > trying to do /think in advance. I'll bite. To answer your direct question: TI, mid-range to low-end graphing model. Almost everyone else in your class will be using TI. If you don't own a calculator now, you surely don't *need* a fancy calculator, and its best to use what's easiest. In this case, you want to get something that others are familiar with, so they can help you operate the thing. HP users like their calculators for the initially troublesome RPN input method. After a while, though, RPN and the rest of the calculator's interface become ingrained in the user. When this happens, HP users have traditionally outperformed the best TI users in brute number crunching efficiency. But you probably don't need to reach that level. To answer the question you didn't ask: Buy a thick pad of graph paper, a ruler, a compass set, a good eraser, and a basic scientific calculator with no graphing capabilities. Instead of relying on machines to plot things for you, learn how to make plots yourself. This should help you get a better feel for how things work. After all, math is all about understanding what is happening and why; machines can do the grunt work, but brain matter is needed to guide the whole show and check that the results are reasonable. Besides, there are always situations where you need to do a calculation or sketch a trend when your calculator isn't present. Best of luck, Daniel === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? Starting a college algebra class next week and even tho I haven't talked to the teacher yet I'm assuming I will need a graphing calculator. I also hope to take more advanced math such as calc and geometry in upcoming semesters Given that info any advice on graphing calculators to buy? TI or HP? I know its too early yet since I haven't talked to the teacher.... but I don't even OWN a calculator and trying to do /think in advance. >I'll bite. >To answer your direct question: >TI, mid-range to low-end graphing model. Almost everyone else in your >class will be using TI. If you don't own a calculator now, you surely >don't *need* a fancy calculator, and its best to use what's easiest. >In this case, you want to get something that others are familiar with, >so they can help you operate the thing. >HP users like their calculators for the initially troublesome RPN input >method. After a while, though, RPN and the rest of the calculator's >interface become ingrained in the user. When this happens, HP users >have traditionally outperformed the best TI users in brute number >crunching efficiency. But you probably don't need to reach that level. >To answer the question you didn't ask: >Buy a thick pad of graph paper, a ruler, a compass set, a good eraser, >and a basic scientific calculator with no graphing capabilities. >Instead of relying on machines to plot things for you, learn how to make >plots yourself. This should help you get a better feel for how things >work. After all, math is all about understanding what is happening and >why; machines can do the grunt work, but brain matter is needed to guide >the whole show and check that the results are reasonable. >Besides, there are always situations where you need to do a calculation >or sketch a trend when your calculator isn't present. >Best of luck, >Daniel math for over 20 some odd years as well. I had the hp 49g+ for all but the last of my calculus exam. You must understand what you are doing to get it into the calculator. The hp has the equation writer which is great for formula entry, and you can solve parts of the equation or all the equation at one time. Its great for checking your work. I would do the algebra by hand and then I would use the hp to check. During the last part of my calculus course my hp died. Just over the year warranty, not impressed. I cannot buy them in Canada easily, so I purchased one off ebay and also purchased a ti-89 Titanium localy in the mean time. Wow, the calculators are like night and day, there is no bult in equation writer on the TI and inputing parentheses was time consuming and error prone. There are not as many functions on the TI and formulas I saved had to adhere to strict naming parms. Even though the HP can be a prick, I would rather use it because it seems to have so much more, and less size and weight. My calculus book alone was aprox 5 lbs. Just be sure to carry a spare set of batteries and I have learned to add the hp49 help library in the calculator for when the teacher says, Ok class today we start #$#$ you know the calculator can do it but you dont know the syntax. I wish the HP was easier to use but I still would not go back to the TI, too many restrictions. Hope this helps, I had to promise my wife I will never take calculus again. Best of Luck, Mike === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? >Hope this helps, I had to promise my wife I will never take calculus >again. Haha How come may I ask? John === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? >To answer your direct question: >TI, mid-range to low-end graphing model. Almost everyone else in your >class will be using TI. Ohm: why should all your classmates will use TI be an argument? >HP users like their calculators for the initially troublesome RPN input >method. But you do know, that you can use both, RPN and AOS, on an HP 49? >To answer the question you didn't ask: >Buy a thick pad of graph paper, a ruler, a compass set, a good eraser, >and a basic scientific calculator with no graphing capabilities. No good advice. Volker -- Besides, i'm of the opinon, that TCPA has to be stopped === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? <3mpearF17shtoU5@individual.net> posting-account=cDjNzQ0AAABYi8nSTqQBPwRMH3jHIbL8 Buy a thick pad of graph paper, a ruler, a compass set, a good eraser, and a basic scientific calculator with no graphing capabilities. > No good advice. I think it was the best advice given in this discussion. A scientific calculator with an equation solver is more than enough for any algebra/early calculus class. It will really make you understand the math. Using graphing calculator promtes stupidity in the general student population. TW === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? : Buy a thick pad of graph paper, a ruler, a compass set, a good eraser, : and a basic scientific calculator with no graphing capabilities. : > No good advice. : I think it was the best advice given in this discussion. A scientific : calculator with an equation solver is more than enough for any : algebra/early calculus class. It will really make you understand the : math. Using graphing calculator promtes stupidity in the general : student population. How would you get the instant gratification of entering an equation, pressing a button and getting the graph. -- ------------------- Keep working millions on welfare depend on you === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? >math. Using graphing calculator promtes stupidity in the general >student population. It depends. It depends on how the teacher does his job. If he does it well, it won't matter if you use an grphing calc or not - if he does it bad, you're right - so far, that there is a _danger_ to get what you said. Volker -- Besides, i'm of the opinon, that TCPA has to be stopped === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? > and a basic scientific calculator with no graphing capabilities. So that brings up a new question: for low-end scientific calculators, what's good right now? No RPN, no fancy solvers, etc. I'm a die-hard HP 20S fan. My main task requiring a calculator is programming, and it works even better than a 48 or 49 series for that, if only because the base conversions are easier to get to[*]. But alas, the 20S is discontinued, and the closest replacement from HP (the 30S) sucketh mightily in comparison. Indeed, I like my old TI thirty-mumble from the late 80's better than the 30S. I'm _so_ glad I accumulated three 20Ses before they were discontinued. I'm probably set for life. But what about the poor sods who aren't in my position, and just need a good basic scientific calculator? [*] I use my 48GX and 49G+ for electrical engineering, one of my hobbies. For that task, they're better than the 20S. === Subject: Re: Graphing calculator advice? TI or HP? >In this case, you want to get something that others are familiar with, >so they can help you operate the thing. Agree. Point taken >HP users like their calculators for the initially troublesome RPN input >method. After a while, though, RPN and the rest of the calculator's >interface become ingrained in the user. When this happens, HP users >have traditionally outperformed the best TI users in brute number >crunching efficiency. But you probably don't need to reach that level. Understood I will wait.... but I'm glad I've checked into things cause now I'm better informed abt what's out there in case I do need to buy something. John === Subject: insufficient memory posting-account=UZpa1g0AAAAGK-b1uuwdq2SDcb2fyNNB I have tons of extended memory . the funny thing is that I have not learn how to work attaching the ex tended memory things like that. Do you know a way to clear the memory error? insufficient memory .... is there a hard reset button or somthing I can do about this === Subject: Re: insufficient memory > I have tons of extended memory . the funny thing is that I have not > learn how to work attaching the ex tended memory things like that. Do > you know a way to clear the memory error? insufficient memory .... is > there a hard reset button or somthing I can do about this I've been pondering this, not knowing what you mean exactly. Do you mean you cannot get the message to go away? Try ON+C and release first, then a hard reset, then remove the batteries. Scott Chapin === Subject: Re: insufficient memory posting-account=cDjNzQ0AAABYi8nSTqQBPwRMH3jHIbL8 Umm. . . the only memory actually used by the calculator for calulations is memory in HOME. Everything else is just storage space. So if memory in home is low, you won't be able to run things much without getting memory errors. Move stuff into port 1 or 2. TW === Subject: HP 33S at Amazon posting-account=Ab4Erg0AAADnPJuZhQ3v71vPuxtJ--tX Anyone recently bought a 33S from Amazon? If yes, are they selling the model with the radix size fixed? Gil P.S. If you bought a 33S with radix fixed from another vendor, please let me know. I really want to buy but don't have eagle eyesight to see nanodots :-) === Subject: Re: HP 33S at Amazon posting-account=IGUX2Q0AAAAhLOj1vOfIVSpMCs089TPn GIl, I found one at WalMart in DE this month. The display of the . was just about the same as a 33s I looked at in a collage book store, 22.2 is still bad to view. The , looked much better. The tail displays below the line of other numbers and you can see it without problem. If you can find it at a local WalMart you can check it out for yourself and decide. The cost was $49.xx. Good luck > Anyone recently bought a 33S from Amazon? If yes, are they selling the > model with the radix size fixed? > Gil > P.S. If you bought a 33S with radix fixed from another vendor, please > let me know. I really want to buy but don't have eagle eyesight to see > nanodots :-) === Subject: Re: HP 33S at Amazon >GIl, >I found one at WalMart in DE this month. The display of the . was >just about the same as a 33s I looked at in a collage book store, >22.2 is still bad to view. The , looked much better. The tail >displays below the line of other numbers and you can see it without >problem. If you can find it at a local WalMart you can check it out for >yourself and decide. The cost was $49.xx. Mine from WalMart has . invisible. I am using , instead. A.L. === Subject: HP-16C emulators Here are two websites offering good HP-16C emulators (+ = a positive, - = a negative, * = a comment). www.hp16.com, Chris Lusko, Java applet and application * What follows applies to the downloadable Java application, which has some features the online Java applet does not. + Complete emulation of function set, programming, and floating point + 64-character wide registers (see the entire number even in base 2) + X Y Z T LastX and I registers always visible + View programs as either row/column keystrokes or mnemonic notation + Export entire calculator state as a text file + Save entire state, Load entire state or program only or... + Free, and no license to expire - Only 203 bytes internal memory (like the real 16C) * Chris did this as a school thesis project that is just ending. www.hp16c.net, Jamie O'Connell, Windows application + Complete emulation of function set, programming, and floating point + User interface is a photo of the real 16C + Tri-section buttons (get f/g shifts with a single mouse click) + More internal memory than the real 16C - Beta release, free but with a 2-month license expiration * Jamie is a musician/programmer and MIDI enthusiast. Background: The HP-16C was manufactured from 1982 until 1989, and sells now on eBay for about $150 to $250 (10 in the last 2 weeks). More history on the 16C and all HP calculators can be found at http://www.hpmuseum.org. Various software emulators have existed through the years, but all I have seen fall short somehow. For example, only 32 bit word size, no double functions, no programming, incorrect floatt <> integer conversion, etc. I have been doing testing in the last few months with the two authors above that are both trying to do complete functional emulation of the 16C. (They just happened to be working on it at the same time.) Both are ready to have a larger audience see what they are doing. I have an HP-16C program written in 1982 that approximates e (2.718...) to 400 decimal places in 5 hours on an HP-16C. It runs correctly on both emulators (considerably faster). Others are also involved in the testing effort. I have not been able to find an online Users Guide for the HP-16C, so if you find one please post the location here. Rick === Subject: Re: HP-16C emulators > www.hp16.com, Chris Lusko, Java applet and application Sorry, it is www.hp16c.com (I missed the c.) Rick === Subject: Wireless printing to HP2100 I am unable to print to an HP2100 attached to a computer running first version of Windows98 thru a wireless laptop. When I try and do a test print I get the error unable to create a print spool. Also I have Nortons Firewall on the Laptop. === Subject: Re: Wireless printing to HP2100 A printing calculator?... GREAT Toby >I am unable to print to an HP2100 attached to a computer running first > version of Windows98 thru a wireless laptop. When I try and do a test > print I get the error unable to create a print spool. Also I have > Nortons Firewall on the Laptop. === Subject: Re: Wireless printing to HP2100 On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:38:38 -0400, Toby >A printing calculator?... GREAT Actually, my Casio Algebra FX 2.0(+) can print to compatible Casio label printers. I found literally cutting & pasting graphs into my homework far less trouble than doing it with a computer. I always suspected that, after I finally snapped, they'd find me weeping hysterically, balled-up in a fetal position, entirely naked except for hundreds of calculus equations stuck all over my body. Now that I no longer use the calculator, I'd better start wearing underwear. Cordially, Richard Kanarek >Toby >>I am unable to print to an HP2100 attached to a computer running first >> version of Windows98 thru a wireless laptop. When I try and do a test >> print I get the error unable to create a print spool. Also I have >> Nortons Firewall on the Laptop. === Subject: SHUTDN 49g+ posting-account=JsAn3AwAAADGls087ebx6zXiNzDiYoQ3 Hello. The next program is for HP 49G and 49g+ Source Code (MASD): CODE SAVE INTOFF2 { LC(3)$0FF OUT=C SHUTDN GOSBVL BITMAP ?ABIT=1.0 EXIT ?ABIT=0.8 UP LC(2)$18 GOSBVL RCKBp UP } INTON2 LOADRPL ENDCODE @ Save the program: << ASM HOME 'BPGK' STO >> ************************* To evaluate (HOME vs FILER): keys 49G: [ON]: exits [Right_arrow]: beep, beep, beep... - HOME -> OK - FILER -> OK keys 49g+: [ON]: exits [Right_arrow]: beep. - HOME -> OK - FILER -> ERROR (SHUTDN doesn't work from FILER, RepKey not available) That it is happening? The same thing happens when being executed from APPS (extprg). Problem with SHUTDN and Bank Switcher? The solution in the program: Delete SHUTDN - GaaK - === Subject: Re: SHUTDN 49g+ posting-account=JsAn3AwAAADGls087ebx6zXiNzDiYoQ3 ideas?? - GaaK - === Subject: ISOM and MKISOM I have mostly figured out what the two dimensional commands for the 49+ of ISOM and MKSOM do, but the 3-D commands are so far beyond me. Does anyone know how to use them, or know where they are explained? I can't find them in any AUG. === Subject: Re: ISOM and MKISOM -=[ Mon, 22.8.05 9:07 p.m. +1200 (NZT) ]=- Hello Virgil, in message ID : > I have mostly figured out what the two dimensional commands for the 49+ > of ISOM and MKSOM do, but the 3-D commands are so far beyond me. > Does anyone know how to use them, or know where they are explained? > I can't find them in any AUG. New in ROM 1.18. At least we have them in the 49g+ CAT :-) here a few years ago - it was in a GranhamKendall text file: ----------- > 2.- Any body has information about the commands MKISOM and > ISOM? I think it can flip and rotate a function and change > Y by X. It's posible? Yes this is one of the things that you can do with ISOM and MKISOM. Suppose that you have Y=X^2 and you want to mirror the function on the axis y=x. Then you enter the vector [-1 1] which stand for the axis y=x (coeffs of variables of -x+y=0). Then you enter a -1 because mirroring is an indirect symmetry. (for rotations you enter 1). Press MKISOM to get the matrix [[ 0 1][1 0]]. You can use this matrix to do the symmetry operation. Enter the vector [X X^2] (vector of coordinates of y=x^2) and press *. You get [X^2 X] which is the vector of the new coordinates [X' Y'] after the mirroring. This particular symmetry operation could be done by simply solving for X, but for more complicated operations MKISOM and ISOM is a great help. -------------- Interesting because it shows how the 2D MKISOM will take an axis instead of an angle. For the 3D we need to specify a plane I think. We can discover the MKISOM input by studying ISOM output :-) 3 IDN ISOM -> {0} 1 MKISOM -> our 3 by 3 identity again. [[0 1 0][0 0 1][1 0 0]] ISOM ->{[-1 -1 -1] 2pi/3} 1 - that [-1 -1 -1] is evidently the same plane as [ 1 1 1] :-) {[1 1 1] 2pi/3} 1 MKISOM gives quite a mess but EXPAND does reproduce our input matrix. It looks like the level 2 input must be a list in the 3D case - generally with 2 items in. If you only have one item the output is the 3 IDN. I first tried 90 1 MKISOM in degree mode and it worked perfectly but the reverse required the switch to RAD. -- Tony === Subject: Re: ISOM and MKISOM > I have mostly figured out what the two dimensional commands for the 49+ > of ISOM and MKSOM do, but the 3-D commands are so far beyond me. > Does anyone know how to use them, or know where they are explained? > I can't find them in any AUG. Did you have a look at the CAS documentation of Ren.8ee De Graeve? That's generally where you find the most up-to-date CAS doc. http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/english.html#hpcas === Subject: Re: ISOM and MKISOM -=[ Mon, 22.8.05 9:51 p.m. +1200 (NZT) ]=- Hello , in message ID <4309719f$0$1207$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr> : [...] > Did you have a look at the CAS documentation > of Ren.8ee De Graeve? That's generally > where you find the most up-to-date CAS doc. > http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/english.html#hpcas http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~degraeve/cas49_1.pdf And it even has programs in algebraic mode - I always wondered where that was documented :-) -- Tony === Subject: Re: ISOM and MKISOM I have mostly figured out what the two dimensional commands for the 49+ of ISOM and MKSOM do, but the 3-D commands are so far beyond me. Does anyone know how to use them, or know where they are explained? I can't find them in any AUG. > Did you have a look at the CAS documentation of Ren.8ee De Graeve? > That's generally where you find the most up-to-date CAS doc. > http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/english.html#hpcas === Subject: Looking for a Scientific Calculator posting-account=gX0K5A0AAABLM9_0jjZ7wQM7jHq26KBe school and am looking for a high quality, but relatively inexpensive scientific calculator. I've looked around but know virtually nothing about brands, the quality associated with them, the amount of functions i should go for, 2 or one level displays, battery or solar etc... so far i've looked at casio, sharp, hp and texas instruments (what i can find in stores locally). If someone can give me some insight about === Subject: Re: Looking for a Scientific Calculator hello, the HP33S is the only one (to my knowledge) that will do complex number calculations, which you will need... > school and am looking for a high quality, but relatively inexpensive > scientific calculator. I've looked around but know virtually nothing > about brands, the quality associated with them, the amount of functions > i should go for, 2 or one level displays, battery or solar etc... so > far i've looked at casio, sharp, hp and texas instruments (what i can > find in stores locally). If someone can give me some insight about === Subject: Re: Looking for a Scientific Calculator > the HP33S is the only one (to my knowledge) that will do complex number > calculations, which you will need... Hardly. Plenty of inexpensive calculators these days support complex numbers (and some probably do it better than the 33s, closer to what the old HP-42 did)! An example is the Casio FX-115MS: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004TVDO/qid=1124842999/sr=8 -1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-2179477-3377661?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846 . For $15.50+s/h (or available for ~$15 locally at many Wal*Marts), it's really a good deal. I'd recommend the original poster get this -- for $15, it's worth learning what features you like and need vs. those that you don't care about before getting something more expensive. The main thing you lose with any <$50 calculator is the ability to program your own general purpose routines (i.e., be able to use branching, flags, etc.). The HP-33s ($50) is the only calculator that I'm aware of that supports general purpose programming that's allowed on most standardized exams. ---Joel Kolstad === Subject: Re: Looking for a Scientific Calculator Looking at the reviews of the Casio FX-115MS, one reviewer suggests looking at this new Sharp, which is getting good reviews (and is also $15): http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00027RVVW/qid%3D1124843336/sr%3D11-1 /ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/002-2179477-3377661 === Subject: Re: Looking for a Scientific Calculator <11gnfpfooh0cj23@corp.supernews.com> <11gng01nbsnpnf5@corp.supernews.com> posting-account=gX0K5A0AAABLM9_0jjZ7wQM7jHq26KBe you'd recommend casio or sharp over texas instruments? === Subject: Re: Looking for a Scientific Calculator > you'd recommend casio or sharp over texas instruments? I don't know much about the TI scientific clacs but I've been using a casio fx82 for almost a decade now and I've only changed batteries once. Its also pretty much unbreakable not sure if these calcs are still available. -- Wing Wong. === Subject: Re: Looking for a Scientific Calculator <11gnfpfooh0cj23@corp.supernews.com> <11gng01nbsnpnf5@corp.supernews.com> posting-account=gX0K5A0AAABLM9_0jjZ7wQM7jHq26KBe Yeah for whatever reason i can't get the Sharp or the Casio explained above. I'm from canada and it doesn't seem like we have either of those products up here, nor will it allow me to ship one up from the states. Bummer, any other suggestions? I'm back at square one. -- Jon === Subject: Re: Looking for a Scientific Calculator <11gnfpfooh0cj23@corp.supernews.com> <11gng01nbsnpnf5@corp.supernews.com> posting-account=gYgTgw0AAAClvkM0RMboAlAQIUmMBrIJ > Yeah for whatever reason i can't get the Sharp or the Casio explained > above. I'm from canada and it doesn't seem like we have either of > those products up here, nor will it allow me to ship one up from the > states. Bummer, any other suggestions? I'm back at square one. > -- > Jon I don't know about the Casio fx-115. But the Casio fx-991 is available at my local Walmart and Staples stores in Halifax. By all appearances, the fx-991 is at least equivalent in functionality to the fx-115. It is probably my favourite of the non-programmable scientific calculators I've seen. My major complaint is that the Casio gets confused by something like sqrt(-1). However unwieldy it may be, at least the HP33s is able to correctly report back i. I would stay away from the 2-line TI scientific calculators -- none of them (that I've seen, anyway) have any imaginary number support, and you're likely to spend too much time navigating through the menus (looking for the hidden trig. functions) rather than actually performing computations. - Luke === Subject: Re: Looking for a Scientific Calculator <11gnfpfooh0cj23@corp.supernews.com> <11gng01nbsnpnf5@corp.supernews.com> posting-account=gX0K5A0AAABLM9_0jjZ7wQM7jHq26KBe What about sharp? There's a couple of sharp calculators for sale at staples and london drugs here in vancouver, curious what anyone knows about these? === Subject: Emu48 in Quantian posting-account=QMmFgA0AAAAFQmAqcXBNtjxAbGNd_eLq I am running emu48.exe in WINE on Quantian (Clusterknoppix) linux 0.6.9.3 installed on the hardrive. I am starting it from a shell with $wine emu48.exe backup.E48. The reason I start it from a command line is: FILE- EDIT- OPEN LOAD OBJECT SAVE AS SAVE OBJECT These dropdown menus bring up a browse window - either Open or Save, as is normal. However, the window fails to browse, that is it doesn't show the field from which to browse or navigate to find and open a saved session file (e.g. backup.E48) or find and transfer progs/files to/from the calculator. Konsole says err: commdlg:IShellBrowserObject could not browse to folder. On launching emu48 initially it works although I get err:syslevel (0x407cfacO, level2): Holding 0x408d0460, level3.Expect deadlock!. On starting Wine in general I get Warning: the specified Windows directory L C:Windowsis not accessible. Quantian is a huge math/science/heavy-on-physics-and-bio CD/DVD bootable linux - http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/quantian/ - which is a great place to embed a calc emulator (or two - yes vti works). BTW with emu48 this problem doesn't exist when I run regular knoppix off the CD drive. Bill PS Does anyone know how to get emu48 running in linux to do direct serial transfer to a real calc as it will in Windows? === Subject: transfer function Ok the transfer function for a low pass filter is 1/(1+jwc) How do I plot this on my 49G+? Mick Carey www.mickpc.bigpondhosting.com === Subject: Re: transfer function posting-account=gN0GeAwAAACDUmZms-nyTfoQ8BqkfexD Hello Michael Complex numbers are so straightforward with the RPL machines! > Ok the transfer function for a low pass filter is 1/(1+jwc) > How do I plot this on my 49G+? I have created a subdirectory on mine (ELE) that I keep and do all electronic stuff. Within that I have several subdirectories according to subjects but at the root of ELE I have the following program (function): << -> f << 2 PI * f * (0.0,1.0) * >> which I have named s. Note the PI that stands for the greek named constant (use the actual greek letter on the HP). Now, from within each subdirectory of ELE or from the root you can call s either by function call, such as s(1000), or as a program with an argument from the stack. To plot it you just go to the plot application (if you don't want to do it from a program manually) and write an algebraic of the form 'ABS(1/(1+s(X)))' for the function field, arrange the limits accordingly and there you are :-) If you do not want to bother with the generic definition of s(X) you can write it locally in the plot menu like 'ABS(1/(1+i*2*PI*X*C))' where X stands for the frequency f. Make sure the plot variable is X in the field below and not f. I hope I helped you. Enjoy the machine! !Demeter! === Subject: Re: transfer function > Hello Michael > Complex numbers are so straightforward with the RPL machines! >>Ok the transfer function for a low pass filter is 1/(1+jwc) >>How do I plot this on my 49G+? > I have created a subdirectory on mine (ELE) that I keep > and do all electronic stuff. Within that I have several > subdirectories according to subjects but at the root of > ELE I have the following program (function): > << -> f << 2 PI * f * (0.0,1.0) * >> > which I have named s. Note the PI that stands for the > greek named constant (use the actual greek letter on the HP). > Now, from within each subdirectory of ELE or from the > root you can call s either by function call, such as > s(1000), or as a program with an argument from the stack. > To plot it you just go to the plot application (if you don't > want to do it from a program manually) and write an algebraic > of the form 'ABS(1/(1+s(X)))' for the function field, arrange the > limits accordingly and there you are :-) > If you do not want to bother with the generic definition > of s(X) you can write it locally in the plot menu like > 'ABS(1/(1+i*2*PI*X*C))' where X stands for the frequency f. > Make sure the plot variable is X in the field below and not f. > I hope I helped you. Enjoy the machine! > !Demeter! Why the ABS() function? Mick www.mickpc.bigpondhosting.com === Subject: Re: transfer function >> Hello Michael >> Complex numbers are so straightforward with the RPL machines! > Ok the transfer function for a low pass filter is 1/(1+jwc) > How do I plot this on my 49G+? >> I have created a subdirectory on mine (ELE) that I keep >> and do all electronic stuff. Within that I have several >> subdirectories according to subjects but at the root of >> ELE I have the following program (function): >> << -> f << 2 PI * f * (0.0,1.0) * >> >> which I have named s. Note the PI that stands for the >> greek named constant (use the actual greek letter on the HP). >> Now, from within each subdirectory of ELE or from the >> root you can call s either by function call, such as >> s(1000), or as a program with an argument from the stack. >> To plot it you just go to the plot application (if you don't >> want to do it from a program manually) and write an algebraic >> of the form 'ABS(1/(1+s(X)))' for the function field, arrange the >> limits accordingly and there you are :-) >> If you do not want to bother with the generic definition >> of s(X) you can write it locally in the plot menu like >> 'ABS(1/(1+i*2*PI*X*C))' where X stands for the frequency f. >> Make sure the plot variable is X in the field below and not f. >> I hope I helped you. Enjoy the machine! >> !Demeter! > Why the ABS() function? > Mick > www.mickpc.bigpondhosting.com How do I graph the log of the function on one axis? Mick Carey www.mickpc.bigpondhosting.com === Subject: Re: transfer function posting-account=cDjNzQ0AAABYi8nSTqQBPwRMH3jHIbL8 > How do I graph the log of the function on one axis? > Mick Carey > www.mickpc.bigpondhosting.com A quick search on hpcalc.org using log plot reveals this item that may be of interest. http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=6311 TW === Subject: Re: transfer function posting-account=gN0GeAwAAACDUmZms-nyTfoQ8BqkfexD Hello Michael and ... you are surely having fun with this, aren't you?! Well, if you ask how to plot log values of a function you just define LOG(ABS(function)) in the function field of the plot menu and draw the thing. I am afraid, however, that you are not asking this. Instead, you rather want to have a log scale of the frequency axis displayed on your hp screen ;-) In that case, you need to draw from within a program that you will write that produces pairs of points that the PIXON command (look it up) handles. To do that you must use the proper coordinate mapping of the x and y physical-world values to the X and Y pixel coordinates of you hp49. Use the following relations: (R*log(x/Xmin)+L*log(Xmax/x))/log(Xmax/Xmin) for the x (frequency)values, and (B+((*yv - lim[Var].ymin)*(T-B))/(lim[Var].ymax-lim[Var].ymin)) for the y (magnitude of the transfer function) values where R,L,T,B are the pixel numbers of the right, left, top and bottom position of the hp screen (eg: 100, 10,10,60) and Xmin, Xmax, Ymin and Ymax are the limits of the physical-world function, ( eg: 0Hz, 10Hz, 0(dimensioless), 1(dimensionless)). You must do some programming as you see :-) I hope you are not discouraged and I did not make any By the way, the parametric plot accepts directly in the equation field a complex expression of the form '1/(1+i*w*C)' where w must be defined as the plot parameter and C any inline replaced constant. No need to specify separately the real and imaginary parts :-) !Demeter! === Subject: Re: transfer function posting-account=gN0GeAwAAACDUmZms-nyTfoQ8BqkfexD Hello Michael The ABS function is needed because plotting a function refers to plotting real quantities that assume either positive or negative values. However, complex valued functions such as the transfer function of a LPF must either be plotted in the parametric plot menu where the real and imaginary part will be specified for the x and y axes functions with parameter f or be plotted in the function plot menu where only the magnitude (ABS) of the LPF will be shown versus frequency. In that latter case, the phase response must be plotted separately by using the atan function and splitting the plot in four cases depending on the quadrant the imaginary and real parts of the transfer function lie. This is because the tan has a range from -90 to +90 degrees. For more info please refer to a mathematics or electronics textbook on the subject !Demeter! === Subject: Upgraded Rom to 2.0 (was 1.23) and CNA515xxxxx has no missed keystrokes anymore I think everyone knows that I received a new HP49G+ recently and was ticked off it was missing keystrokes like my first one. My old one s a CN402xxxxx (I haven't updated it yet). I am proud to say that Rom 2.0 has cured the missing keystroke problem it would seem for the moment. :-) Great news!! I will update my old one and report back. === Subject: Re: Upgraded Rom to 2.0 (was 1.23) and CNA515xxxxx has no missed keystrokes anymore CNA515 series eh? How does the keyboard feel compared to your original? >I think everyone knows that I received a new HP49G+ recently and was > ticked off it was missing keystrokes like my first one. > My old one s a CN402xxxxx (I haven't updated it yet). > I am proud to say that Rom 2.0 has cured the missing keystroke problem > it would seem for the moment. :-) Great news!! > I will update my old one and report back. === Subject: Re: Upgraded Rom to 2.0 (was 1.23) and CNA515xxxxx has no missed keystrokes anymore The keyboard is much softer (lighter is sound) and doesn't sound hollow and heavy like my original one. My right arrow key is having some problems every now and then when editing a small program, I am getting a missed keystroke but I can deal with the arrow key acting up. I updated my original one and it is much better on missed keystrokes but I hate the feel of the keyboard. I will give it a few more weeks of use and then figure out if I find it acceptable. Hopefully so, I really want to learn to use this as well as I use my 48GX. > CNA515 series eh? How does the keyboard feel compared to your original? I think everyone knows that I received a new HP49G+ recently and was ticked off it was missing keystrokes like my first one. My old one s a CN402xxxxx (I haven't updated it yet). I am proud to say that Rom 2.0 has cured the missing keystroke problem it would seem for the moment. :-) Great news!! I will update my old one and report back. === Subject: Re: Upgraded Rom to 2.0 (was 1.23) and CNA515xxxxx has no missed keystrokes anymore > I think everyone knows that I received a new HP49G+ recently and was > ticked off it was missing keystrokes like my first one. > My old one s a CN402xxxxx (I haven't updated it yet). > I am proud to say that Rom 2.0 has cured the missing keystroke problem > it would seem for the moment. :-) Great news!! > I will update my old one and report back. Uh Huh. That's been the general concensus. Scott === Subject: [hp49g+] can't start server Hello I have just installed my new rom v50 Version HP49-C Revision #2.00 But server command don't work neither red-shift + right arrow Has some body same pb as me ? -- Philippe Monroux Reunion island 55.3W -21.5S === Subject: Re: [hp49g+] can't start server The new rom worked on two of my calc's and fixed my missing keystroke problem. :-D I am stoked!! The server works great on both. Why don't you re-flash and try again. > Hello > I have just installed my new rom v50 > Version HP49-C > Revision #2.00 > But server command don't work neither red-shift + right arrow > Has some body same pb as me ? === Subject: Re: [hp49g+] can't start server Dans le forum comp.sys.hp48, MONROUX philippe a .8ecrit : Sorry, it was a flag pb > I have just installed my new rom v50 > Version HP49-C > Revision #2.00 > But server command don't work neither red-shift + right arrow > Has some body same pb as me ? === Subject: Is This a New Idea... ( Prime Sieve ) posting-account=gXhbegwAAADGqPjeoqi5G78ml6pFC5ww Please take a look at this... On my Blog... http://transamoebae.blogspot.com/2005/08/is-this-number-prime.html === Subject: INFORM Is ther a maximum number of inputs allowed? posting-account=K8WeyQ0AAAB8ao_Zwjn2KJiLs8m5Sc9f I am writing a program that is going to use the INFORM box. I can only get 16 variables to show up in the box and cannot figure out if that is the maxium I can use or if I can get to another page with more variables. Yes, maybe the INFORM box doesn't look like the best thing to use here but believe me, it is. Is 16 variables the max I can get with 4 columns? Anything over 4 columns and it gets bad for data entry. === Subject: Re: INFORM Is ther a maximum number of inputs allowed? posting-account=gXhbegwAAADGqPjeoqi5G78ml6pFC5ww If you're looking for a Clever way to get a whole sh*t load of Data into your Calculator... and the prescribed methods don't do it for you... WRITE YOUR OWN DANG INPUT ROUTINE...!!! That's what i was doing before the gx came out... i had pull down menu's and serial INPUTs before they were fashionable...! === Subject: Re: INFORM Is ther a maximum number of inputs allowed? posting-account=K8WeyQ0AAAB8ao_Zwjn2KJiLs8m5Sc9f Easy. No reason for the excitement. I have a TMENU routine working right now, but I was hoping to use the INFORM box. The reason I ask about the max variable input is because it only allows me to use 4 rows of data and there is room for at least 2 more rows. Just wanting to check that out. Now, since you are so kind to offer suggestions, when you say pull down menus, what do you mean exactly? Like chooseboxes? This first program needs to have 14 variables entered before execution. I am programing in UserRPL. === Subject: ORDER in the 49G+ compared to the 48G; Question about executing keys posting-account=K8WeyQ0AAAB8ao_Zwjn2KJiLs8m5Sc9f *All programs are in USER RPL* On my 48GX I would write a program to keep my main programs at the front (left most side) of the VAR menu. The program would look like this: << {A B C D} ORDER >> I would execute the program and it would move variables for A B C and D to the left. On the 49G+, when I run the program with variables in the directory besides the ones listed, I get an error: ORDER Error: Invalid Syntax When I run the program and the variables in the list are to the left, I don't get an error. Is there something I can do to keep from getting the error on the 49G+? I don't understand why I am getting an error. **************** Next question. I want to exectue the NXT function from a program. In other words, I want to execute the NXT funtion to rotate the soft menu to the next page. I also want to have a softkey that acts like the VAR key. I have not found a way to perform these methods and was hoping someone could be so kind to clue me in. I am going bonkers on this one. TIA!! :-)