B169 Subject: Curious HMS Result Does anyone have an explanation for the following on the 49G+? With an input value of 0.0800 to the following program, the result is 0.0760. << HMS-> ->HMS >> The expected result is 0 hours, 8 minutes and 0 seconds (i.e., the same as what was entered). I was using this sort of conversion on the front end of a program to limit/bound some data entry time values. It was somewhat disappointing when this happened. I enter 8 minutes and the calculator returns 7 minutes and 60 seconds. Yes, I know they could be considered the same but... Gary === Subject: Re: Curious HMS Result > Does anyone have an explanation for the following on the 49G+? > With an input value of 0.0800 to the following program, the result is > 0.0760. > << HMS-> ->HMS >> > The expected result is 0 hours, 8 minutes and 0 seconds (i.e., the > same as what was entered). It's caused by roundoff, since .08 converts to .133333333333. Change the last 3 to a 9, and you get .08 back again. This problem isn't very likely to happen - I work with HMS commands at work all the time, and your post is the first time I've seen this oddity. Bill === Subject: Re: Curious HMS Result > Does anyone have an explanation for the following on the 49G+? > With an input value of 0.0800 to the following program, the result is > 0.0760. > << HMS-> ->HMS >> > The expected result is 0 hours, 8 minutes and 0 seconds (i.e., the > same as what was entered). > I was using this sort of conversion on the front end of a program to > limit/bound some data entry time values. It was somewhat > disappointing when this happened. I enter 8 minutes and the > calculator returns 7 minutes and 60 seconds. Yes, I know they could > be considered the same but... > Gary Actually, it returns 7.59999999999E-2, and your display settings round it to 0.0760 The culprit is of course the HMS-> command: 8 minutes cannot be accurately represented in HR format. === Subject: Re: Curious HMS Result > Does anyone have an explanation for the following on the 49G+? > With an input value of 0.0800 to the following program, the result is > 0.0760. > << HMS-> ->HMS >> > The expected result is 0 hours, 8 minutes and 0 seconds (i.e., the > same as what was entered). > I was using this sort of conversion on the front end of a program to > limit/bound some data entry time values. It was somewhat > disappointing when this happened. I enter 8 minutes and the > calculator returns 7 minutes and 60 seconds. Yes, I know they could > be considered the same but... > Gary It is a roundoff error. In STD mode, .08 HMS-> results in .13333333333, and then ->HMS results in 7.59999999999E-2. It is due to the fact that terminating decimal seconds do not all covert to terminating decimal hours and terminating decimal hours do not all convert to terminating decimal seconds, so there is a round off error possible when doing these conversions, and you hit it. === Subject: Re: hp49g+ Is there a flag to keep all angles positive in polar form? Okay, I know I'm being lazy for asking this but how does one compile a SysRPL program on the 49G/49G+ calculators? My limited experience so far has been with User RPL and thought it would be quicker if one of the HP guru's of this fantastic forum could provide an answer. The more I learn the more I want to learn! Gary > Hi Reth - Wow now that is cool. I looked all over for it. I haven't > done the system programming much. But I have perused it a bit. Guess > ***original message below *** > Now I see... > they are there (P-R and R-P) but in SysRPL; in the 48/49 you wouldn't need > them but if you do: > RP :: > CK2&Dispatch > 2REAL > %REC>%POL > ; > @ > PR :: > CK2&Dispatch > 2REAL > %>POL%REC > ; > @ The above will work as the 41 ones; you might modify them slightly: RP :: > CK2&Dispatch > 2REAL > :: > %REC>%POL > %360 (to get angle ) > %MOD (between 0-360) > %>HMS (and even in DMS format > ; > ; > @ PR :: > CK2&Dispatch > 2REAL > :: > %HMS> (input angle in DMS format) > %POL>%REC > ; > ; > @ > === Subject: Re: hp49g+ Is there a flag to keep all angles positive in polar form? X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original > Okay, I know I'm being lazy for asking this but how does one compile a > SysRPL program on the 49G/49G+ calculators? > My limited experience so far has been with User RPL and thought it > would be quicker if one of the HP guru's of this fantastic forum could > provide an answer. search for SysRPL in the www.hpcalc.org Eduard Kalinowsky has written an excellent book about SysRPL Read also the HP 48 version You need at least extable downloaded to your calc and saved in the Flash Your text source file should end with @ alone as the last line and start with...hmmmm.was it !NOCODE !RPL My memory is not so good, I'm still sick, but much better now. [VPN] === Subject: Re: error using hptools > Doh! It appears that MAKEROM.DOC left this tidbit out and I failed to > recognize I was in assembler mode. This fixed it! Glad it helped. Check you yahoo email account... Jean-Yves === Subject: Re: FBI turned ..... IGNORE, PURE GARBAGE X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Plonk !! === Subject: Txt-Editor and how to get 0.5 to 1/2 fast Hi there, I just got my HP48G+ a few days ago. I surfed along homepages like area48.com and hpcalc and read the normal user-manual and some other manuals, but I still don't know how to get a decimal like 0.5 to 1/2 1/2 to 0.5 with RF and NUM but how to reverse it? And is there a PGM which allows me to write plain txt-files on my PC and then transfer them directly to my HP48g+ and read them there? Hope someone can help me with those basic questions. === Subject: Re: Txt-Editor and how to get 0.5 to 1/2 fast X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original > Hi there, > I just got my HP48G+ a few days ago. > I surfed along homepages like area48.com and > hpcalc and read the normal user-manual and some other manuals, but I still > don't know how to get a decimal > like 0.5 to 1/2 ->Q (and ->Qpi) > 1/2 to 0.5 with RF and NUM but how to reverse it? > And is there a PGM which allows me to write plain txt-files on my PC and Notepad, use the communication program downloadable from HP web-site and also from www.hpcalc.org > then transfer them directly to my HP48g+ and read them there? > Hope someone can help me with those basic questions. [VPN] === Subject: Re: Txt-Editor and how to get 0.5 to 1/2 fast I can't seem to find that Q button. My friend got an older HP and there he has that Q button... but on my HP49G+ it seems, that there is no such button... btw thx for the txt-file tip !! Veli-Pekka Nousiainen schrieb im Newsbeitrag > Hi there, > I just got my HP48G+ a few days ago. > I surfed along homepages like area48.com and > hpcalc and read the normal user-manual and some other manuals, but I still > don't know how to get a decimal > like 0.5 to 1/2 > ->Q (and ->Qpi) > 1/2 to 0.5 with RF and NUM but how to reverse it? > And is there a PGM which allows me to write plain txt-files on my PC and > Notepad, use the communication program downloadable from HP web-site > and also from www.hpcalc.org > then transfer them directly to my HP48g+ and read them there? > Hope someone can help me with those basic questions. > [VPN] === Subject: Re: Txt-Editor and how to get 0.5 to 1/2 fast > I can't seem to find that Q button. My friend got an older HP and there > he > has that Q button... but on my HP49G+ it seems, that there is no such > button... > btw thx for the txt-file tip !! Just type alpha rightshift 0 alpha Q the 'Q' key is also the Y^x key. It will look like ->Q when you type it out. -- ~/.signature === Subject: Re: Txt-Editor and how to get 0.5 to 1/2 fast Ahhh thx a lot! It works finde. But I only manage to do it in the RPN mode.... how about the algebraic mode? or does noone use it? ;-) Maybe I should start using the RPN mode... that library is also just for rpn-modes.... news.ti.com schrieb im Newsbeitrag > I can't seem to find that Q button. My friend got an older HP and there > he > has that Q button... but on my HP49G+ it seems, that there is no such > button... > btw thx for the txt-file tip !! > Just type > alpha rightshift 0 alpha Q > the 'Q' key is also the Y^x key. It will look like ->Q when you type it > out. > -- > ~/.signature === Subject: Re: Txt-Editor and how to get 0.5 to 1/2 fast you can get HLP49 (library 1749) by Bill Markwick, it's got everything you'll need > I can't seem to find that Q button. My friend got an older HP and there he > has that Q button... but on my HP49G+ it seems, that there is no such > button... > btw thx for the txt-file tip !! > Veli-Pekka Nousiainen schrieb im Newsbeitrag > Hi there, > I just got my HP48G+ a few days ago. > I surfed along homepages like area48.com and > hpcalc and read the normal user-manual and some other manuals, but I > still > don't know how to get a decimal > like 0.5 to 1/2 > ->Q (and ->Qpi) > 1/2 to 0.5 with RF and NUM but how to reverse it? > > And is there a PGM which allows me to write plain txt-files on my PC and > Notepad, use the communication program downloadable from HP web-site > and also from www.hpcalc.org > then transfer them directly to my HP48g+ and read them there? > > Hope someone can help me with those basic questions. > > [VPN] === Subject: Re: Carly Fiorna on FoxNewsCable Today... X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original > 10 Min. > Neil Cavuto > 1:30 PM > West Coast > I think she's utterly charming. O know, I know, I have a huge photo of her .... I use it for target practising (-; [VPN] === Subject: Re: invalid syntax in USER RPL X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original > which is not really a program, but a macro execution. My knowledge of > object programming is limited at best. > I am writing a program to compute an impedance offset for a 50 ohm > adds them together. > ex: (CF1 + CF2) ... where CF? are the two equations to be evaluated > and added. I tried to manually type them in, I tried to use the soft > keys to call them. I get an 'invalid syntax' message and the first > CF? is highlighted. Even if I delete one it still highlights the > other. Have you opened the manuals? Maybe you need ticks around it: '(CF1+CF2)' > And while I am at it, if I am looping a set of equations and need to > check if the answer is close enough to the ideal and then kick out and > show the number. Is there a way to perform a double check condition? > What I mean is how would I program the math statement; 1.03t<= > variable >= 0.97t, where t is a previously calculated number. > Any expedious help would be greatly appreciated. 1.03 t * variable <= variable 0.97 t * >= AND alternatively '103*t<=variable AND variable>=0.97*t' [VPN] === Subject: Re: May I ask other questions please? X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X >> Are the designers here also ? > yep X > have a good day, cyrille Cyrille (and thus HP) is still lurking around? GREAT! Now... How about a cheap HP-47G without any basic symbolics (just numerical integrate and ROOT) (no ISOL, QUAD, derivate, etc...) to compete with the TI-83/84 Just remember to ALWAYS use FlashROM so that bugs can be fixed easily Even if the upgrade only could be done by a re-seller [User-Flash is not that important] [VPN] === Subject: Re: May I ask other questions please? X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response > Are the designers here also ? >> yep >> have a good day, cyrille > Cyrille (and thus HP) is still lurking around? > GREAT! > Now... > How about a cheap HP-47G without any basic symbolics > (just numerical integrate and ROOT) > (no ISOL, QUAD, derivate, etc...) > to compete with the TI-83/84 > Just remember to ALWAYS use FlashROM > so that bugs can be fixed easily > Even if the upgrade only could be done by a re-seller > [User-Flash is not that important] > [VPN] Naturally HP-15C Platinum with 16*speed and 32KB memory and HP-42SII is a must and then.....more....more :-D [VPN] === Subject: Re: May I ask other questions please? > Naturally HP-15C Platinum with 16*speed and 32KB memory > and HP-42SII is a must and then.....more....more > :-D > [VPN] and don't bother designing new keyboards please, use the old style ones :) === Subject: Re: May I ask other questions please? X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original >> Naturally HP-15C Platinum with 16*speed and 32KB memory >> and HP-42SII is a must and then.....more....more >> :-D >> [VPN] > and don't bother designing new keyboards please, use the old style ones :) You mean old kinposh 49g+ superior quality keyboard OR the old HP-41C keyboard which never fails thus customers will not buy a new calculator... 8-P [VPN] === Subject: Re: May I ask other questions please? X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X >> Who does design on the H/P calculators today? ( I can't tell.) > Wouldn't have a clue - the latest versions (49g+) are manufactured by > Kinpo > in China if that helps. X I think that HP still does the design The manufacturing happens where it is cheap [VPN] === Subject: Re: May I ask other questions please? X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X > after finding that not all the keys on the 33s do what I think > they should, and other calculators seem to be able to do. You may check the HP's web site for learning modules [VPN] === Subject: Re: May I ask other questions please? > I hope this is not impolite, > but is that pronounced Boo-Vanish ? Boo-vanish as in ghosts? ;-) Bh is something most English speakers cannot pronounce correctly. A first approximation would be Boo-vuh-nash where the a is pronounced as in ate. > I can' imagine I've ever seen a name quite so unusual. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? :-) My name does have a meaning, as do a majority of names in India (a couple of decades back, most Indian names had a meaning). -- Bhuvanesh === Subject: Re: Price comparison between 48GX/49G+ X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original >I am in the market for purchasing a Graphing/Scientific Calculator. I > love the 48GX, but the price is very high, no matter where I look. > But it seems the 49G+ brand new is cheaper, than the older 48GX, and I > KNOW the 49 has much more power, but it doesn't appeal to me in looks. > Why is the price so much more for the 48GX? I don't want to spend > much more than $150, and I don't need mint condition, I just need > something that will last me through my Highschool and College years. > And be able to play a few games in class ;-). The 48GX is sought after by the surveyors using the card slots They pay a lot for a working pocket computer with good keys For a student the 49g+ offers much more in speed & power [VPN] PS: some collectors also ruin the market by paying hilarious prices for the 48GX === Subject: Re: Price comparison between 48GX/49G+ X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response >> 49g+ is the one for you, don't hesitate, grab one! > Also consider the TI-89 Titanium, that doesn't have any keyboard problem > AFAIK. IMO the Titanic keyboard is mushy and the key locations are awful there is no USER keyboard with such things as shift&hold, etc... there is no tactile feedback, aonly positive thing is that the keys register ok [VPN] PS: The software sucks, too... === Subject: Re: HP49G+ ? Great Quality.... !!! Update: GOOD NEWS !!!! X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response >> Yes I Have. In the connectivity kit speed is set to 115200. But if I >> select >> HPx9G+ it turns grey. The HP shows the 115200 in the IOPAR Variable.... >> Maybe I could try less speed ??? > Speed settings on the 49G+ has no effect when the USB port is selected > So no need to bother trying different speed, any values in IOPAR will be > ignored Jean-Yves, will the Qonos use faster USB speed? Like 1Mbit/s or even faster? [VPN] PS: when can I buy it. Can I become a beta-tester? Is there a gcc in the Qonos itself? === Subject: Re: Functions and lists (49g+)? X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response > Here is an excerpt from the HP48G Advanced Users Reference Manual (maybe > it might help) > DEFINE: > Affected by Flags: > For arguments of the form 'name=exp', if flag -3 is set exp will be > evaluated to a number before it is stored in name (if exp contains a > formal variable DEFINE will error if flag -3 set). > Remarks: if the left side of the equation is name only, DEFINE stores exp > in the variable name. > If the left side of the equation is name followed by parenthetical > arguments name1, ...,namen, DEFINE creates a user-defined function and > stores it in the variable name. > Examples: > 'A='2*X' DEFINE stores '2*X' in variable A. > 'A(X,Y)=2*X+3/Y' DEFINE creates a user-defined function A. The contents of > A is the program << -> X Y '2*X+3/Y' >>. X There is both old command DEFINE and the new function DEF In the keyboard you find DEF just above [ 2 ] [VPN] === Subject: Re: Functions and lists (49g+)? X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X >> 'A(X,Y)=2*X+3/Y' DEFINE creates a user-defined function A. The contents >> of A is the program << -> X Y '2*X+3/Y' >>. > There is both old command DEFINE and the new function DEF > In the keyboard you find DEF just above [ 2 ] > [VPN] Naturally one could program this capability using UserRPL even if it wouldn't pre-exist [VPN] === Subject: Re: Hp 49 keyboard question X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response >> X >Mine is fine, but I might be having the same power consumption problem >mentioned in a differeny, and was wondering if I should remove the Zener >diode (and void the warranty), or send it back and hope the new one has >no keyboard problems. What are my chances of getting another good one? >> HP 49G or hp 49g+ >> I would not remove anything while the warranty is effective >> If ROM update to the latest does not help >> just return the calculatrice >> [VPN] > Oh sorry its a 49g+. I also forgot to mention that another option I am > considering is just not doing anything about the power consumption > problem, and just buying some rechargeable batteries or something. VERSION should say (in the second line) Revision #1.23 IF NOT THEN upgrade.your.ROM END [VPN] === Subject: Re: Hp 49 keyboard question & first impressions... X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original > Now that I have had this machine a few days, I observed some keystoke > missing now. It seems to happen when I go into a fast input mode > without putting full pressure on the keys. I have key-clicks on, but > turned the sound off, so I don't have to hear it. Keys are a little > stiff which may be why it doesn't get the stroke registered each and > everytime. I've just got to adjust to it's ways. The o/s is much > faster than the 48gx, and the screen has a nice contrast to it. The > fonts are a little crappy though. Resolution could have been better I > think. Screen size is much better. I like the connectivity software a > lot. I have used Mr. Prange's software to convert my 48 programs (a > few) to the 49 format with about 90% of the conversion being done, > then a little post editing to get it the rest of the way. I've only > converted about 4 programs, so I may not be doing everything the way I > impressed with this group. Many questions not found in the 'manual' > can be answered here, and I appreciate it. Just wish HP had developed > some additional material as a reference. Out. There are some learning modules on the HP's website I like the most the plotting examples (-8 [VPN] === Subject: Re: Hp 49 keyboard question & first impressions... X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original >> But of course, sometimes we're blind to an obvious problem with >> something that we've written, and an extra set of eyes can be a >> big help, so indeed ask when you're really stuck. > Is there any way you can use comma format with unit objects ? > I mean that even in Fix format the unit objects DO NOT have commas. Try ANY older hp and it does not work... )-: [VPN] === Subject: Re: Hp 49 keyboard question & first impressions... X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X > Well, thank you, I suppose, but I'm a bit puzzled as to what you > could be referring to. If you mean Conn4x, that was written by > William Graves, not me. X > If you want to edit anything in the program, then it's perhaps > easier to transfer it from the 48 series to the PC in Kermit ASCII > translation mode 3, edit it on the PC, transfer it to the 49g+ > with the SD card, and then use my ASCII on SD program 'TxtToObj' > on it; see: http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=6017 X [VPN] === Subject: Re: Impressions of my 49G+ X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response >> Try as I might, I find it difficult to see evidence from Agilent or HP's >> website to show that the two companies are still linked at all -- just >> how much of a relationship do they have with each other nowadays? >> (chuckles) Maybe they should have spun off ACO with the test-equipment >> division when Agilent was formed... > They are no link left whatsoever... > Jean-Yves Excatly why AGilent calculators may have still worked well with all those test equipments to test the calculatrice and MALE engineers at leadership... [VPN] BTW: good job so far Gherkin === Subject: Re: Impressions of my 49G+ X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X > eventually be fixed you can rest assured. What I cannot understand is why > the 49G+ was released when it was. It could NOT have undergone any sort > of > extensive characterization and qualification process otherwise the > keyboard X In china (hot & moister) it perhaps works all the time They should have tested it also in USA: Alaska & Death Valley 8-P [VPN] === Subject: Re: HP Xpander protoype for sale on Ebay... X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X > Jean-Yves > Who has a few xpander at the office... and could send one to me? right? Veli-Pekka Nousiainen Sokinsuontie 3A1 FIN-02760 Espoo, Finland Tel:+358 44 7006007 === Subject: Re: Plans for on-calc C programming? X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response >> Right. Someone should port FORTH to the 49G+ instead. :P > My favorite bumpersticker: FORTH LOVE IF HONK THEN yes . === Subject: Re: Plans for on-calc C programming? X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response >> what about the Qonos? Will it include a gcc compiler? >> Is it possible to use that gcc to compile C for the emulators? >> If not - I would love to see the hpgcc team to fix it > Sure, just buy us a Qonos each ;-) > Seriously, you are talking about a huge amount of work. All the existing > hardware libraries would be useless. Even with a fully documented list of > OS calls, it would still be a tricky project. > Why would you want to run an emulation program, and then break out of it > again to run a native program? You could just write a native program in > the first place. > Qonos is supposedly Linux based; Standard GCC should work fine with it. > Plain Vanilla GCC should work much better then either TIGCC or HPGCC > anyway. Both TI/HP GCC break the standard in several ways. X and eats the Lion down in a few days which will live for a month in one charge I just may want to use the Intel Xscale (similar to ARM) for the added speed in the calc mode - sometimes Maybe we just don't understand each other well My fever is down, but I'm still on a sick leave and not feeling very well and English is not my 1st language [VPN] === Subject: Re: Plans for on-calc C programming? X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response Have you guys considered having a C interpreter on the calculator? It's a much smaller footprint to have a C or 'almost C' interpreter running than an actually compiler, linker, etc. With some care, you could write and run interpreted C on the calculator, and then compile it if you wanted the last bit of speed. ---Joel === Subject: Re: Nice piece of hardware sorry manjo. How old are you and is the 49G+ the only hp calc do you own? I just want to say that because I have seen lots of messages (interesting messages) of you talking about this machine, you know a lot. I have done an external keyboard ,now a really imnpressive one for the 48g series, and is perfect, but had no success in HP community, I prefer touching hardware than software, so I hope you have good luck with this new machine. Just wanted to say that you are a good future for hp community. Bye. === Subject: Maybe i didn't properly introduce myself > sorry manjo. > How old are you and is the 49G+ the only hp calc do you own? > I just want to say that because I have seen lots of messages > (interesting messages) of you talking about this machine, you know a > lot. > I have done an external keyboard ,now a really imnpressive one for the > 48g series, and is perfect, but had no success in HP community, I > prefer touching hardware than software, so I hope you have good luck > with this new machine. > Just wanted to say that you are a good future for hp community. I assume it was RS232 keyboard (with some work any PC keyboard can be 48 external keybaord) -i hope you used that knowledge when you did you keybaord. I have built a Sound card (8 bit DAC resistor lather type) for my 48 SX i will release my PCB design and software concept for it in HARDWARE section of OPENFIRE site if somone is interested. http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~manjo/openfire/ So, G+ is not the first calc i own -back in 94. i purchased 48 SX for my studies in electrical engeneering (http://www.fer.hr/) -i own it today, and it works fine, my girlfriend uses it :-) -although electerical engeneer i was in the class of what you would call computer science -never finished my studies, was little less than half-done :-( -now i'm working with companies in US -designing and producing large e-commerce systems and web applications. (large foremost in monthly income as well as number of items and information) -prior to my studies i finished high-school as Telecomunications technitian majoring in Packet Radio communications (this was prior to GPRS and 802.11) -my interest in electronic came very early in elementary school since then i electronic concepts very early. About my age: Cyrille and Lilian, are about same age as me, but i am just a little bit jounger :-) About my enthusiasm: -my work (main income) is not related to HP nor calculators, it is related to internet, servers, and services -i bought G+ because i was following HP's progress in calculators -even waited for it to be released, when i have read the G+ specs i was happy with many improvements over older models and was planing to buy it. (note i never showd such interest for 49G) As my main goal and passion is to programm the G+, i waited to see if ARM programming will be supported. The moment i saw Al Borowski's site on ARM programming i decided i want it. (then i saw some things done by Cyrille on french newsgroups) -that made me even more sure i wanted G+ Waited for a while more (to see the keyboard issues fixed) and since CN40x should have issues fixed i decided to buy one. My CN407 has some issues, and broken hinges, i don't complain so much because i can live with that (for now) but as soon as somone reports new imrpoved models have no keyboard issues i will send this one for replacement. Again G+ is not about money for me -that's why i'm trying to help anybody as much possible so that these issues can be fixed, because it realy is a beautifull machine and i would love to see it widely accepted. I'm not sure if they are classes in Calulator environments and programming available, but I would sure add a class in Computer Science studies to calculators and calculator programming in general. The area has become so large in both budget (makret size) and knowledgebase that it realy deserves more attention from both, scientists (educational population) as well as manufacturers. HP did realize that -and is showing that by offering emulators to educators so they can get familiar with the platform and the product proior to purchase. The main goal of this is to prepare the educated and educators for difference in operation (very different from both common calculator or PC or even PDA) -once they get familiar with the system and they get the G+ in their hands they might say : finaly this is it, this is the real thing on the other hand unprepared person might be unplesently surprised and loose a lot of enthusiasm and will to learn when they realize how different it is from everything they know, so their response might be: what the hell is this thing good for ? manjo === Subject: enough about me :-) the people who influenced me the most can be found listed on my site: (list is growing bigger every day, and i realy am happy to say *thak you all*) manjo http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~manjo === Subject: Re: Nice piece of hardware X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original >> Manjo: a demo :)) >> Lilian > I see Lilian has some faith in me, that's nice to see :-) > Remember Samsung chip was not built for G+ specifically > it is general purpose chip supporting SD etc... > Thoughts: > Camera basicaly has a memory area (frame) where image data is updated > you write some code to specifi address to triger update and then read the > data from > image frame captured by the CCD. > so with right programming everything that works with iPAQs has to work > here. > of course some heavy ARM work would be needed and camera documentation > from > HP > (for that lovely tiny camera) > now... > coycojesus > (do you seriously think it wouldn't work ?) X I seriously think it's too much work you need a host driver and I hope your peripherals don't draw power.... I'm waiting for the Qonos....2005 [VPN] === Subject: Re: Nice piece of hardware > I seriously think it's too much work > you need a host driver and I hope your peripherals don't draw power.... > I'm waiting for the Qonos....2005 Of course VPN it would be MUCH work it's endless possibilities of application i'm thinking here :-) (not fear of the work) You didn't quite follow VPN this little camera i'm talking about is not USB it's SD slot. (power from SD slot is sufficient for it to work -neat little thing eh ?) here's my reecent thinking about qonos: if QONOS will be more like PDA rather than calculator (like it seems) and if it will cost over $350. this will: a) make me like my G+ even more or b) help me to add 100 or 200 more dollars and buy h5550 with nice little attachable-dettachable keyboard which was missing for soo long, but now available as an accesory. Further i think HP didn't implement all these nice features to G+ because they didn't want to get ahead of themselves. However if TI releases something worth competing with (or QONOS turns out to be greater success than anticipated) HP will eventualy react. Finaly i don't need to remind you there is a LOT of room for enhancements in G+ just if all features of current hardware was used, not to mention hardware enhancements. manjo === Subject: Re: Nice piece of hardware X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original >> X >> I seriously think it's too much work >> you need a host driver and I hope your peripherals don't draw power.... >> I'm waiting for the Qonos....2005 > Of course VPN it would be MUCH work > it's endless possibilities of application i'm thinking here :-) > (not fear of the work) > You didn't quite follow VPN this little camera i'm talking about is not > USB > it's SD slot. > (power from SD slot is sufficient for it to work -neat little thing eh ?) Yes, but then the SD is not SDIO > here's my reecent thinking about qonos: > if QONOS will be more like PDA rather than calculator (like it seems) Well it seems to become the only Linux PDA outside Japan (where Sharp Linux PDA's are still sold) and have reasonable PDA features including keyboard for both the alphabet and numeric calculations The Mathexplorer, Xiac, and GnuPlot sound all very interesting AND when in the calc mode you have a choise of fully Saturn/Motorola assembler compatible HP/TI calculator - respectively. > and if it will cost over $350. this will: > a) make me like my G+ even more or That too! :-D > b) help me to add 100 or 200 more dollars and buy h5550 with nice little > attachable-dettachable keyboard which was missing for soo long, but now > available as an accesory. Nope. Hydrix SDA is a hybrid with no compromise in either PDA or calc. > Further i think HP didn't implement all these nice features to G+ because > they didn't want to get ahead of themselves. Hmmm. never though about that. Carly would allow for reasearch budget? Naaah! LOL! Impossible.... > However if TI releases something worth competing with (or QONOS turns out > to > be greater success than anticipated) Ti on the other hand could release a more advanced (and finally faster) calc. > HP will eventualy react. > Finaly i don't need to remind you there is a LOT of room for enhancements > in > G+ just if all features of current hardware was used, not to mention > hardware enhancements. > manjo Cyrille and other would surely do wonders with proper budget for research and enough time for programming plus proper HW testing outside of China. I don't think it will happen in Carly-dynasty We will have to wait for a real leader for the Company :-( [VPN] - Pessimistic Mode On === Subject: Graphics on HP49G+ X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Is it possible to convert a .bmp file to a format for the calc? I've found one program wich converts it into a .GG file, but the Conn4x program shows a warning that the file may damage the calc. If I transfer it anyways, nothing is possible with the file. === Subject: Re: Graphics on HP49G+ X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response xnview > Is it possible to convert a .bmp file to a format for the calc? > I've found one program wich converts it into a .GG file, but the Conn4x > program shows a warning that the file may damage the calc. If I transfer > it anyways, nothing is possible with the file. === Subject: 512kb in HP48SX I found a 4x128kb memory card for the SX on a german side. http://www.klotz-electronic.de/index_e.html Who owns this card and can tell me something about quality and compatibility?