HP-24 ==== > No, in fact it accepts symbolic, real, complex and zint. Not according to SDIAG ;-) ==== Since I still can't enter bugs for the HP49G+ on Eric's site, I'll post it here: RCLF: {#3084030285010FFh #0h #801010500A000008h #0h} (complex, exact and rigorous on) 'd1ARG(X)' EVAL and 'd1ABS(X)' EVAL will result in gibberish expressions - they both suddenly contain invalid IDs ('#1.' in fact). ==== > > Since I still can't enter bugs for the HP49G+ on Eric's site, Why not? If you visit http://bugs.hpcalc.org/, you should be able to do it. Where do you run into a problem? -- James ==== > Why not? If you visit http://bugs.hpcalc.org/, you should be able to do > it. Where do you run into a problem? I can only choose HP49G as product to report a bug for. ==== --------------------------------------------------------------------- Idan, After reading your last posting, I don't think I have explained what gave such offence to Laurie and to me. Please allow me to try to explain better. Early in this thread, posting #3, Arnaud said that he bought his 49g+ from Classic Calculators. Later, you said in posting #7 that just because they say they check every unit -- I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THEM. In English, this is exactly the same thing as calling Laurie a LIAR directly to her face. Ask anyone to confirm this. In English, there are just a few things that a person can say that will almost always provoke a fight or cause a violent reaction. One example is the hated word nigger. Other examples could be written down here. The idea is that if you say one of these fighting words to another person, he is, under our laws, not guilty of any crime when he hits you on the nose or worse. Calling someone a liar is also using one of the worst of the fighting words. People whose English is not perfect should be taught NEVER to call someone a liar. An example of how offensive this was to Laurie is that by calling her a liar you made her so mad that in five locations she used double exclamation marks and double question marks. British subjects are usually so reserved that they seldom use any exclamation marks. But she used double ones: !! !! !! On the question of Freedom of Speech: It is a cherished right, but it has limitations. Under this right you may NOT call someone a liar. This is a fighting word that is NOT protected. I have written more than enough. I hope I have explained why it hurt Laurie's feelings so very much to be called a liar. If you are sorry that you hurt her feelings, then you should tell her that you are sorry. ==== > > An example of how offensive this was to Laurie is that by calling > her a liar you made her so mad that in five locations she used double > exclamation marks and double question marks. British subjects are > usually so reserved that they seldom use any exclamation marks. But she > used double ones: !! !! !! > Well, isnt that a little bit exagerated?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????? Just my opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > On the question of Freedom of Speech: It is a cherished right, but > it has limitations. Under this right you may NOT call someone a liar. > This is a fighting word that is NOT protected. Still exagerated IMO... If he thinks shes a liar so what?? nothing proves hes right. Actually most things point to him being wrong. > > I have written more than enough. I hope I have explained why it hurt > Laurie's feelings so very much to be called a liar. If you are sorry > that you hurt her feelings, then you should tell her that you are sorry. > -- Laurie's feelings were hurt?????? OMG!! Are you just assuming that?? You know in school, college, work, or whatever you do, its quite common to hear insults way worse then liar. If feelings got hurt by such, then im sure that any person would live with hurt feelings. Personally i doubt anyone could get through life when such nonesense gets to them. I doubt laurie put to much attention to it. ==== > Idan, > > After reading your last posting, I don't think I have explained what > gave such offence to Laurie and to me. Please allow me to try to explain > better. > Early in this thread, posting #3, Arnaud said that he bought his > 49g+ from Classic Calculators. > and every unit before sending them out to customers. > Later, you said in posting #7 that just because they say they check > every unit -- I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THEM. > > In English, this is exactly the same thing as calling Laurie a LIAR > directly to her face. Ask anyone to confirm this. > > In English, there are just a few things that a person can say that > will almost always provoke a fight or cause a violent reaction. One > example is the hated word nigger. Other examples could be written down > here. The idea is that if you say one of these fighting words to > another person, he is, under our laws, not guilty of any crime when he > hits you on the nose or worse. Calling someone a liar is also using > one of the worst of the fighting words. People whose English is not > perfect should be taught NEVER to call someone a liar. > > An example of how offensive this was to Laurie is that by calling > her a liar you made her so mad that in five locations she used double > exclamation marks and double question marks. British subjects are > usually so reserved that they seldom use any exclamation marks. But she > used double ones: !! !! !! > > On the question of Freedom of Speech: It is a cherished right, but > it has limitations. Under this right you may NOT call someone a liar. > This is a fighting word that is NOT protected. > > I have written more than enough. I hope I have explained why it hurt > Laurie's feelings so very much to be called a liar. If you are sorry > that you hurt her feelings, then you should tell her that you are sorry. > -- It is funny to hear somebody in the parlament, TV, radio, newspapers, etc. calling the former US President, Bill Clinton, or the british Prime Minister, Tony Blair, to be a BIG LIAR (on his face, before them) and in PERFECT english and they didn't hit anybody on the nose (or worse). And we are talking of the representants of a full nation, not just a private person. Cancel-Lock: sha1:+ALq9y80LqVJEWR7H+CZL+X0NzY= ==== > Idan, > > After reading your last posting, I don't think I have explained what > gave such offence to Laurie and to me. Please allow me to try to explain > better. > Early in this thread, posting #3, Arnaud said that he bought his > 49g+ from Classic Calculators. > and every unit before sending them out to customers. > Later, you said in posting #7 that just because they say they check > every unit -- I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THEM. > > In English, this is exactly the same thing as calling Laurie a LIAR > directly to her face. Ask anyone to confirm this. Indeed this could be the case. However I do not think it was meant in a personally malicious manner. But, nevertheless, it was probably best left unsaid. > > In English, there are just a few things that a person can say that > will almost always provoke a fight or cause a violent reaction. One > example is the hated word nigger. Other examples could be written down > here. The idea is that if you say one of these fighting words to > another person, he is, under our laws, not guilty of any crime when he > hits you on the nose or worse. Calling someone a liar is also using > one of the worst of the fighting words. People whose English is not > perfect should be taught NEVER to call someone a liar. Be careful not to confuse anyone with what is opinion and what is fact. Striking ANYONE in a situation other than to prevent harm to yourself or someone else you are defending, is against the law. In no case I am aware of is it considered legal to hit someone for calling you a name. Heck, this is what separates us from countries where adultry can get you stoned, stealing can get your hand removed, talking out against your government can get you executed. Granted, calling someone a liar in the US is grounds for being angry, and possibly litigation in court, but never for physical violence. As a matter of fact, it is against the law to even threaten to kill someone. > > An example of how offensive this was to Laurie is that by calling > her a liar you made her so mad that in five locations she used double > exclamation marks and double question marks. British subjects are > usually so reserved that they seldom use any exclamation marks. But she > used double ones: !! !! !! The use of !! means nothing. I have seen countless folks on the internet who make judicious use of punctuation marks. Many also do not even use them at all. Some never capitalize. Some use all caps. This is rather weak point to make becuse it does not necessarily indicate state of mind. At most it might indicate lack of education. > > On the question of Freedom of Speech: It is a cherished right, but > it has limitations. Under this right you may NOT call someone a liar. > This is a fighting word that is NOT protected. Here you are correct. It could technically be considered slander but fortunately our system of justice provides the judge a way to determine if the claim of slander is frivolous or justified. Calling someone a checked each unit, I will believe her because I have no reason not to. However if she didn't, she lied. > > I have written more than enough. I hope I have explained why it hurt > Laurie's feelings so very much to be called a liar. If you are sorry > that you hurt her feelings, then you should tell her that you are sorry. Best, -Al Arduengo -- ~/.signature ==== X > I did plan on looking at 128, 64, and 256 cards (in MB), but since I > really wanted to get a 128 card, which would have been the same price > without a match, or maybe $10-20 cheaper with one, I was going to > spend the $20-$30 to get the bigger card so I would have something > worth more for my money. Seems I got a 256MB card for what I thought I > would be paying them for a $128 one. > Now to just hope that new ROMs offer better support for it soon and > that I figure out how I want to use it; this is more memory than the > PC in the other room has in RAM. ;) The calc has 1/4 MB of RAM, The SD could be considered as a HD (or tape drive - in case of libraries) ==== For a Mac, use thae maximum For a PC, use less than 1GB for Win98SE or earlier > What you need in RAM is greatly influenced by what OS you will run and > what apps you will run (simultaneousely). Do you know what demands you > want to be able to put on the system? > I hear you on this one. When I get around to building the replacement > for this HP oldie I'm using right now, I am going to see what the sweet > spot RAM size is for it. ==== > Sorry, but you are falling for a a couple of traps from the difference > between the 48SX / 48GX and the 49G level calculators. > > 1) They have a new type called INTEGER. Input a number like 1000 and press > ENTER and you have placed the INTEGER 1000 on the stack. Fix 3 does not > place commas into integers. To show integers you must be in a fix mode and > be dealing with REAL numbers. Type 1000 then the decimal point to get a > real. It will show with commas. This has been true for 4 years now. The > reason the 48 series doesn't do this is that they don't have the integer > type. HP has been asked to find a way to show integers with commas as well > as show commas when in standard mode. Given the LARGE number of things the > user community asked for that were incorporated into the 49G+, I think there > is a good chance this will come in the future. X I would like to see decimal grouping also AFTER the decimal point 1,234.567,89 Hexadecimal could be grouped by four # 1234 5678 9ABC DEF0_h ==== I have read the posts and the only way I have seen is to compile user rpl on emu first. how the heck do you do that. Never used and emu before. can you hook the calc to a serial port and then use kermit? ==== Once you have d/l'd and unzipped the debug4x program you will notice a subfolder containing Emu whatever name you choose). Now you can use Conn4x to FILE | DOWNLOAD FILE (Manual XRECV), and follow the on screen directions. I made a little program <> to save a few keystrokes! The process just goes: 'YOURVAR' enter XRECV. I did the same thing for sending files to the pc: <>. I know there's a simpler way ... just *got* to be one! However, this gets things going at least. You could also save EMU49ASC.BIN to your calc if you wanted, and then you wouldn't need the emulator. This whole concept seems pretty archaeic, given the so called advanced evolution of hp calc's. The hp48sx, historic as it is, is more advanced in this regard though ... even the PDL could at least transfer prgm files from the pc to the calc and so on, not to mention HPcomm! >I have read the posts and the only way I have seen is to compile user >rpl on emu first. how the heck do you do that. Never used and emu >before. can you hook the calc to a serial port and then use kermit? ==== I use SDIAG (from emacs) http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=3940 You may choose a version that has the ML & SysRPL removed > It occurred to me that, with all the memory that's available on a > 49g+, there isn't anything keeping one from storing a brief summary of > all available commands, to be utilized when trying something new. > > I robotically walked through the CAT menu, appending each command to > a string, and then parsed the string into a sorted, corrected list of > 762 command strings. I envision three lists, each with the same > number of entries: > > 1. the 762 commands (perhaps to grow in the future?); > > 2. a list of strings briefly explaining what the corresponding > commands do, and > > 3. a list of lists, each detailing the various combinations of > arguments accepted by the corresponding command. (Remember the > CATALOG function on the 28C/S?) > > A simple application would return the explanation of and/or arguments > allowed for a given command. Of course, once the information is > available in a structured form, other bells & whistles could follow. > (I don't think a .pdf reader would be the way to go just yet ... ) > > The whole business should fit well within the 49G+ memory, and could > be stored on the SD card by experienced users when not in use. > > I figure if several folks could divide up the investigation & data > entry, we could have a shared resource in no time. (Its availability > might make for greater acceptance of the new model among new users.) > > Responses? Ideas? Am I off base? (Is there something already > available??) Do let me know! ==== > > MUCH later, I wanted the string back, so I copied the directory back > to Flash (IIRC), entered the directory and brought the string into the > stack. I PURGEd the Flash copy of the directory, and the stack image > of the string changed to External (without quotes). EVALuating the > External object resulted in a warm (cool?, cold?) start, with the > Powered by Metakernel (sp?) splash screen ... > Actually, I think that the SD card is a red herring. After successfully copying the directory from SD to Flash (Port 2), none of the subsequent event-related activity involved the SD at all. The real question is, after deleting original image of a copied-to-stack object (specifically, a 4000+ character string), is it normal for appearance of the stack entry to to switch to External, and then for evaluation of an external object to result in a re-boot? (I see only the briefest mention of external object in the 49G+ User's Guide in a list of TYPE code values.) ==== > Lastly, with Macintoshes (with OS X) being used more and more in the > scientific community one would hope that HP might make an effort to > support the Macintosh platform once again - a version of HPComm that > will run under OS X allowing direct USB connectivity would be most > welcome! > > > > Or at least put the ROM upgrades in a format (e.g., *.zip as opposed > to *.exe) that Macs can handle after downloading. Agreed! Another note: I have tried, so far unsuccessfully, to interface the 49g+ with my dual-G4 Macintosh running OS X v10.3 and VirtualPC v6.1 running Win2000 with the supplied USB cable. VirtualPC detects the 49g+ and lists it in its USB device list. When I try to activate it and click Okay to close the dialog, there is a long delay of maybe 10 seconds until the program responds again. If I then go back to VirtualPC's USB device list, the 49g+ shows as deactivated again - damn! So far I have gotten all other USB devices including card readers, mice, USB printers etc. to work with VirtualPC, but not the 49g+. Perhaps a slightly non-standard USB interface implementation as well? At least I can get my SanDisk SD card reader to work in VirtualPC... Mike Mander > > Tom Scott ==== > At least I can get my SanDisk SD card reader to work in VirtualPC... The card reader should work flawlessly without any driver under 10.3. Michael -- -= Michael Hoppe , =------ ==== Yes, it does work without a driver, however an SD card that was formatted in the 49g+ will *not* be accessible. That applies to both OS X v10.2 and v10.3 (not sure about OS 9). If the card was formatted on the Mac as an MS-DOS disk using Disk Utility, it works fine - except it seems one can only format it as a FAT32 so it won't work in the 49g+. A card formatted on a PC as a FAT16 will also show up on the Mac, but as I mentioned, I have had difficulties with cards in the 49g+ unless they were formatted *in* the 49g+. This is the reason why I am using the SD reader with VirtualPC since VPC will indeed see cards formatted by the 49g+. I am not sure at this point whether the 49g+ is doing a non-standard format or if the Mac's MS-DOS mounting software is incomplete (or buggy) - I'm not sure who to blame... ;-) Also, as much as OS X is my OS of choice, it still really bugs me that it leaves .DS_STORE files and other junk on PC formatted cards. I believe Apple has fixed OS X's behavior on PC networks in this regard, but not for memory cards it seems. Another reason to use VirtualPC. I will have to experiment more with PC formatted cards (as opposed to 49g+ formatted cards) to see if I still have problems in the 49g+. Maybe it was a fluke since I haven't read that others are having any such problems... Lastly, Lexar Media will soon be releasing their ImageRescue 2.0 software which will also work with non-Lexar cards. This software also has an OS X version. Hopefully this might be a solution for OS X FAT16 formatting...? http://www.lexarmedia.com/newsroom/press/press_10_30_03a.html Mike Mander P.S. In my initial experiments where I was having problems with the SD card, I was using a *real* PC for formatting the card and not VirtualPC... > > At least I can get my SanDisk SD card reader to work in VirtualPC... > > The card reader should work flawlessly without any driver under 10.3. > > Michael ==== > > The card reader should work flawlessly without any driver under 10.3. Yes, but (at least in my case) the SD card had to be formatted with a Windows platform before it would work in my HP49G+. Tom Scott ==== I thank you for your suggestions, but I think you were missing the point of my post. The bit about needing an algebraic calculator was just a way of explaining how I came to read the TI-36X instructions. The point of the post was to expose my suprise at the fact that these algebraic calculators are nothing more than RPN with infix notation for a few of the operators and without all of the stack manipulation. I always knew that the classic algebraic mode calculators weren't as good as RPN, but I never realized that without most of RPN's constructs, they can't do the math that people need. I guess what this shows is that the jump from something like a TI-36X to an RPN system isn't that great; the TI is just RPN with some added confusion to make it look algebraic. -Josh > I lost my Casio calculator watch, and so I no longer have a calculator with > me all the time. So, I decided that I need a beater calculator to throw > in my satchel so that I can calculate fuel economy when I'm at the gas > station, and do other mundane tasks. I wish I could take an HP (like my 32SII), > but with the way I treat my bag, it would be destroyed within weeks. I don't > want to have to worry about something that can't be replaced. > I've been carrying around this gift certificate to Radio Shack for about > eleven months, and I figured that perhaps I would just get a scientific > calculator from them. The best one that they sell seems to be the TI-36X, > so I downloaded the manual to check it out. > Now, I would much prefer RPN to algebraic. But, I spent a chunk of my life > using a TI-85, and while I don't like the input style, it is consistent and > makes sense. Because of this experience, I figured that an algebraic > scientific calculator would be fine. > Well, my reading of the TI-36X manual proved me wrong! The thing is a disaster, > and I'm sure its faults are shared by all other calculators of this style. > Because the thing can't display parenthesis and non-numbers (like square root > and TAN), it can't let you just type in the problem like you would write > it on paper. I thought that the advantage of algebraic calculators was that > it was just like on paper, but it turns out that that isn't the case! > Instead, the thing works in a sorta half-RPN, half-algebraic way. That is, > most operations are postfix and only affect the 'x' register. An example: > 256 [square root] [+] 4 [square root] [=] yeilds 18! > So the thing has a stack of sorts, and it is letting me apply the square > root to the 'x' register. In fact, there is even an [x<>y] key so that > I can do a little bit of stack manipulation. > Initially, I figured that the unary operations behaved like in RPN, and the > binary operations behaved like in algebraic. That isn't even true! Some > of the binary functions (like the n choose x function) require you to enter > your numbers like this: > 52 [x<>y] 5 [n choose x] [=] > That is just strange! It is actually a postfix binary operator! > After using RPN calculators for so long, I had no idea what a sorry state > algebraic calculators are in. It is like an admission that their notation > doesn't work well enough for real math, and that RPN is really the way to go, > even if they try to avoid it. > So the way I see it, the only algebraic calculators that work in a logical > way are the ones that emulate the input methods of the algebraic graphing > calculators. So that would be the two-line algebraic scientifics. > I guess I could get one of those, or just wait for the HP33S. > -Joshua > -- > -Joshua Belsky > jjbelsky@yahoo.com > http://belsky.net -- -Joshua Belsky jjbelsky@yahoo.com http://belsky.net ==== I suspect the 33s will be quite susceptible to damage, so be careful. The best value in an Algebraic that I've found lately may no longer be available. The SPECTRA SSC-200 was at Target for $7.00 and under. It's a two-line scientific with 26 memories, an ANS function (as in, previous result), and just about any function you might think of (no SOLVE or graphing) all in a tight, compact little package. Its top line is a dot-matrix array that shows the formula being entered, with math symbols and editing capabilities, and the lower line is a clear 7-segment, 10-digit display. It has no hard plastic cover, but it's so small and solidly-built, I suspect it will take a lot of abuse. (Conversely, it should be easy to find some kind of small, hard case in which to carry it.) It's really an amazing little beast. I cited it once as an example of how tough it must be to make money in the low end of the calculator business. A spec sheet and pictures are available at: http://www.spectraintl.com/xspe/ssc-200.html . I bought a couple at Target last Spring, but haven't seen it there lately. (I'd buy a couple more.) You may want to take a look. FYI . . . ==== > I wish I could take an HP (like my 32SII), > but with the way I treat my bag, it would be destroyed within weeks. Probably not, but why take the risk? I'd recommend the HP20S, which is probably the best algebraic calculator ever made. It's a lot less expensive than the HP32SII, and just as durable. ==== If you want an algerbraic calculator a simple sharp/casio scientific will do the job, mine has lasted at the bottom of a school bag for 3 years plus a year at the bottom of a univeristy bag, I would think that they are hardy enough and, their entry style is true algerbraic so no need to learn funny input techniques. (BTW I would recomend the sharp EL-506/556 beacuse I prefer them to the casio) > I lost my Casio calculator watch, and so I no longer have a calculator with > me all the time. So, I decided that I need a beater calculator to throw > in my satchel so that I can calculate fuel economy when I'm at the gas > station, and do other mundane tasks. I wish I could take an HP (like my 32SII), > but with the way I treat my bag, it would be destroyed within weeks. I don't > want to have to worry about something that can't be replaced. > > I've been carrying around this gift certificate to Radio Shack for about > eleven months, and I figured that perhaps I would just get a scientific > calculator from them. The best one that they sell seems to be the TI-36X, > so I downloaded the manual to check it out. > > Now, I would much prefer RPN to algebraic. But, I spent a chunk of my life > using a TI-85, and while I don't like the input style, it is consistent and > makes sense. Because of this experience, I figured that an algebraic > scientific calculator would be fine. > > Well, my reading of the TI-36X manual proved me wrong! The thing is a disaster, > and I'm sure its faults are shared by all other calculators of this style. > > Because the thing can't display parenthesis and non-numbers (like square root > and TAN), it can't let you just type in the problem like you would write > it on paper. I thought that the advantage of algebraic calculators was that > it was just like on paper, but it turns out that that isn't the case! > Instead, the thing works in a sorta half-RPN, half-algebraic way. That is, > most operations are postfix and only affect the 'x' register. An example: > > 256 [square root] [+] 4 [square root] [=] yeilds 18! > > So the thing has a stack of sorts, and it is letting me apply the square > root to the 'x' register. In fact, there is even an [x<>y] key so that > I can do a little bit of stack manipulation. > > Initially, I figured that the unary operations behaved like in RPN, and the > binary operations behaved like in algebraic. That isn't even true! Some > of the binary functions (like the n choose x function) require you to enter > your numbers like this: > > 52 [x<>y] 5 [n choose x] [=] > > That is just strange! It is actually a postfix binary operator! > > After using RPN calculators for so long, I had no idea what a sorry state > algebraic calculators are in. It is like an admission that their notation > doesn't work well enough for real math, and that RPN is really the way to go, > even if they try to avoid it. > > So the way I see it, the only algebraic calculators that work in a logical > way are the ones that emulate the input methods of the algebraic graphing > calculators. So that would be the two-line algebraic scientifics. > > I guess I could get one of those, or just wait for the HP33S. > > -Joshua > > -- > -Joshua Belsky > jjbelsky@yahoo.com > http://belsky.net > ==== Shoot! Radio Shack (at least 'round NYC) still has a few discontinued $7 algebraic scientifics (one memory register) and has a high-school style slide-on hard front shield; it'll take your satchel banging. As to fuel economy, do it in your head! I round off the gallons and miles to one decimal place. I'm trying to keep my stack from imploding (as to blowing it). > I lost my Casio calculator watch, and so I no longer have a calculator with > me all the time. So, I decided that I need a beater calculator to throw > in my satchel so that I can calculate fuel economy when I'm at the gas > station, and do other mundane tasks. I wish I could take an HP (like my 32SII), > but with the way I treat my bag, it would be destroyed within weeks. I don't > want to have to worry about something that can't be replaced. > > I've been carrying around this gift certificate to Radio Shack for about > eleven months, and I figured that perhaps I would just get a scientific > calculator from them. The best one that they sell seems to be the TI-36X, > so I downloaded the manual to check it out. > > Now, I would much prefer RPN to algebraic. But, I spent a chunk of my life > using a TI-85, and while I don't like the input style, it is consistent and > makes sense. Because of this experience, I figured that an algebraic > scientific calculator would be fine. > > Well, my reading of the TI-36X manual proved me wrong! The thing is a disaster, > and I'm sure its faults are shared by all other calculators of this style. > > Because the thing can't display parenthesis and non-numbers (like square root > and TAN), it can't let you just type in the problem like you would write > it on paper. I thought that the advantage of algebraic calculators was that > it was just like on paper, but it turns out that that isn't the case! > Instead, the thing works in a sorta half-RPN, half-algebraic way. That is, > most operations are postfix and only affect the 'x' register. An example: > > 256 [square root] [+] 4 [square root] [=] yeilds 18! > > So the thing has a stack of sorts, and it is letting me apply the square > root to the 'x' register. In fact, there is even an [x<>y] key so that > I can do a little bit of stack manipulation. > > Initially, I figured that the unary operations behaved like in RPN, and the > binary operations behaved like in algebraic. That isn't even true! Some > of the binary functions (like the n choose x function) require you to enter > your numbers like this: > > 52 [x<>y] 5 [n choose x] [=] > > That is just strange! It is actually a postfix binary operator! > > After using RPN calculators for so long, I had no idea what a sorry state > algebraic calculators are in. It is like an admission that their notation > doesn't work well enough for real math, and that RPN is really the way to go, > even if they try to avoid it. > > So the way I see it, the only algebraic calculators that work in a logical > way are the ones that emulate the input methods of the algebraic graphing > calculators. So that would be the two-line algebraic scientifics. > > I guess I could get one of those, or just wait for the HP33S. > > -Joshua > > ==== I need to purchase a copy of this AUR. Where exactly can I do so. ==== > If you really want commented code on the calc, you may > ... use comment DROP > sequences, > both of which may be waste of memory. > > This is the only case I know where comments DO slow down programs and > make them bigger :-) > > Indeed, the ideal slow-down tool for programs which run too fast on the > HP49G+ and to fill up all this unused empty memory :-) > > By the way, it is no problem to write a small program for the reserved > variable betaENTER which does the following: While still in the command > line, each time you press ENTER on your commented program string, your > source is not only nicely compiled but at the same time, a copy of the > source with all its comments is saved automatically on the SD-card. Neat idea, Professor! If I want comments in my source I might use string @ with comments STOred as 'Example.txt' A subsequent Exampl.txt STR-> will run the program ==== > Sorry to be the bearer of sad tidings, but it's true: the ON+UPARROW > solution to the LCD blinking is NOT a good solution, since it puts > the 49g+ into high-drain mode. The blink that you ordinarily see > (after approx 2.5 seconds of keyboard non-use) is the ARM going into > low-power mode. > I've been using the ON+UP > trick every day for over a week now with on the same set of batterys. I'm > off for a few days, so I may try and wire it up to a meter and see how big > of a problem it is or isn't. > I did some *quick* testing with my ammeter and discovered the following: Test #1) Calculator idle, clock on, and visible menu flikering - current draw cycles between 10mA and 23mA every couple seconds. The cycling appears to be a fairly regular pattern (not intermittent). Haven't concluded if this coincides exactly with the flickering (I only have one set of eyes 8-). Test #2) Calulator idle, clock on, pressed +, no visible menu flickering - current draw held steady at 23mA. I wished I had done another test with the clock off, because the menu flickering is essentially non-existent on my 49G+, even without pressing +. Matt ==== Matt So at 23mA, you get about 50 hrs per set of batteries (vs. ~100 hrs at 10mA). That's acceptable to me. If they can't eliminate the flicker in low-power mode, then perhaps it's better to have the option to choose the mode you prefer. Let's hope they at least give you some way of setting which is the default mode - I still haven't found a way to put ON+UP in STARTUP. ref: http://www.duracell.com/oem/Pdf/MN2400.pdf Rick > Sorry to be the bearer of sad tidings, but it's true: the ON+UPARROW > solution to the LCD blinking is NOT a good solution, since it puts > the 49g+ into high-drain mode. The blink that you ordinarily see > (after approx 2.5 seconds of keyboard non-use) is the ARM going into > low-power mode. > > > I've been using the ON+UP > trick every day for over a week now with on the same set of batterys. I'm > off for a few days, so I may try and wire it up to a meter and see how big > of a problem it is or isn't. > > > I did some *quick* testing with my ammeter and discovered the > following: > > Test #1) Calculator idle, clock on, and visible menu flikering - > current draw cycles between 10mA and 23mA every couple seconds. The > cycling appears to be a fairly regular pattern (not intermittent). > Haven't concluded if this coincides exactly with the flickering (I > only have one set of eyes 8-). > > Test #2) Calulator idle, clock on, pressed +, no visible menu > flickering - current draw held steady at 23mA. > > I wished I had done another test with the clock off, because the menu > flickering is essentially non-existent on my 49G+, even without > pressing +. > > Matt > ==== > Matt > > > So at 23mA, you get about 50 hrs per set of batteries (vs. ~100 hrs at > 10mA). That's acceptable to me. If they can't eliminate the flicker in > low-power mode, then perhaps it's better to have the option to choose the > mode you prefer. Let's hope they at least give you some way of setting > which is the default mode - I still haven't found a way to put ON+UP in > STARTUP. PR1 ==== X > have probably inserted and extrcated an SD card 20 or 30 times over > the last weeks before the reader failed. ON-D 7 reports CARD TEST > FAIL, and this happens with all 4 SD cards (all 128 MB versions) I > own (and they work fine in my external reader on Win2k and WinXP). > They are of course formatted with FAT16 aso. X > Anobody else with failing SD card readers on the HP49G+? My SD reader has survived hundreds of insert/removals with power OFF & ON, formatted once on PC & once on + Before the format (on the PC) one SD card refused to update ROM otherwise than Illegal DOS Name with libs - I'm happy with the SD/MMC ==== > All 113 programs do need to be visible to normal users, since they are > all intended to be user-level functions. Is there at least an easy way > to make a soft menu item have the little manila-folder-like tab that > they use for directories and sub-menus? Other than that, writing a > nesting menu program would be trivial. You could use the following methods A) use a graphical key to represent the submenu then under that key you start a new (T)MENU (don't forget the MAIN label) B) use a real subdirectory with the same name Again you should have a new MENU in your subdirectory (with MAIN together with UPDIR command to go back up) In case someone did not understand the above short desciptions I'm sure James with give Prangeable explanation (-; ==== > aussi en italien, allemand, fran.8dais, espagnol ou esperanto ;-) I think it is very nice that even after the end of the ACO, aussi may still be spoken here. ==== > > Maintenant des messages en allemand ou autres passent aussi sur > comp.sys.hp48 sans d.8echainer les foudres de nos amis anglophones... Donc > si > ce groupe est international, je ne vois pas pourquoi on y causerait pas > aussi en italien, allemand, fran.8dais, espagnol ou esperanto ;-) > > > And, we English speakers enjoy the non-english posts--it is fun to try to > translate. (Much more fun than French class ever was--as there is material > you want to know!) > > > > I guess if everyone talked in their own language, much less people would be > By the way where has he gone? I haven't seen any postings from him for a > while... Hei, Arno Who has ever been upset by my comments (except JYA) ? Kuka on koskaan hermostunut kommenteistani (paitsi JIA)? I just got my new HD back on-line. Sain juuri uuden KL:ni takaisin linjoille (A warranty replacement by GNT) (GNT:n takuuvaihto) BPU ==== Just be given a HP48SX without any manual. The 4 basics ops I can do :-) but I would like to go further. Any idea where I could download pdf manuals, or buy them, even heavily used, or any other suggestion ? Herve, Paris, France ==== > Just be given a HP48SX without any manual. The 4 basics ops I can do :-) > but I would like to go further. Any idea where I could download pdf > manuals, or buy them, even heavily used, or any other suggestion ? > Herve, Paris, France Search back through the archives on google, the manuals are available. ==== Please feel free to check this auction for an HP48G I am selling: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3058759161 ==== > Now that Christmas is coming I started to think to buy one of the new 49g+ > (probably from Eric Rechlin of hpcalc.org, who assured me he can ship > worldwide). I can confirm that. Eric is very fast and friendly too. In less than ten days I got mine in Italy, at a modest price, much cheaper than here even including shipping costs (well, the fact that the EUR / US$ exchange is currently very good helps). Mime-version: 1.0 ==== --------------------------------------------------------------------- Slightly off-topic but has anyone had any success connecting with Virtual PC on a OS X mac. So far IÕve had none. TIA, Britt ==== > Sir, I come from a place in the world, the states of the old Confederate > States of America, where such insulting remarks as yours, especially > addressed to a lady, can and often will get you killed. Even though things in this country are not as good as when I came here, I don't believe they are quite as bad as that. > You have seen on the news, I am sure, what we Americans do when we get mad. Things that are most un-democratic... I'm not taking a side in the issue in question, but I just had to reply to some of these silly remarks. -- Bhuvanesh ==== > Idan, you stated in regard to Laurie's response that just because they say > they check every unit ? i dont really belive them, if you ask me... I believe Mr. Chumbley has his cart before his horse. Idan is not responding to Laurie at all, but rather to the text at the bottom Classic Calculator's 49G+ pricing page (see: http://cnb-host4.clickandbuild.com/cnb/shop/classiccalculators?listPos=15&pr oductID=51&search=&op=catalogue-product_info-null&prodCategoryID=1). To quote from Idan's message, he said i got into the classic calculator site and saw that their price ... Apparently Mr. Chumbley doesn't know how to read a thread-tree either. If he did, he would see Laurie's response is linked Idan's message, not the other way around as he mistakenly believes. To see what I'm talking about Mr. Chumbley, please review the thread-tree on the left-half of the page at: http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&threadm=874q x9srz8.fsf%40exal.austin.rr.com&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dgroup%253Acomp.sys.hp48%26 hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26site%3Dgroups . Clearly, Laurie's reply in response to Idan's post. If he knew how to read the tree, Mr. Chumbley would have replied to Idan, not to Laurie as he did. By his own words he says, this message is intended exclusively for idan.. Then why not reply to Idan's post? > Sir, I come from a place in the world, the states of the old Confederate > States of America, where such insulting remarks as yours, especially > addressed to a lady, So you think Idan's insulting remarks are addressed to a lady the text of Idan's message? Was it the incriminating words their price, they say, or belive them? >can and often will get you killed. Are you for real? I'm friggin' embarrassed they let people like you out! I'm glad you're from the south.. do me a favor, stay there! >You have seen on the > news, I am sure, what we Americans do when we get mad. Your insulting remark > should be withdrawn and a public apology posted here addressed to Laurie. Again, cart before the horse. How about admitting your ignorance and instead, publically apologize to Idan? Laurie seems to be holding up just fine. > Then you should, perhaps, keep your mouth shut here on this newsgroup for > about six months. Please head your own advice, Mr. Chumbley. You've embarrassed the nation plenty. This one's going to take a while to dig out of. Start diggin'. > > Deo vindice, > James F. Chumbley Yes, God will vindicate the rest of us. Matt Kernal ==== > I bought last night the hp49g+ from Samson Cables and I will inform > you about the quality of the product and about the service. However, I > paid 145$ and 26$ for shipping - quite fair price if you ask me. > I have nothing to do with any of the companies. all I want is a good > price and good service and a working hp49g+. here's the address of > Samson Cables : Just for you to understand my position, $26 would not be far from the fee I would have to pay just to clear customs, even before paying customs duty. Arnaud PS: Don't let those crazy Americans shut your mouth. Please continue contributing Cancel-Lock: sha1:dxHoZmm9e91FAWUhkQp5L3xwCe4= ==== >> I bought last night the hp49g+ from Samson Cables and I will inform >> you about the quality of the product and about the service. However, I >> paid 145$ and 26$ for shipping - quite fair price if you ask me. >> I have nothing to do with any of the companies. all I want is a good >> price and good service and a working hp49g+. here's the address of >> Samson Cables : > > Just for you to understand my position, $26 would not be far from the > fee I would have to pay just to clear customs, even before paying > customs duty. > > Arnaud > > PS: Don't let those crazy Americans shut your mouth. Please continue > contributing Dang! I was afraid Americans in general would get stereotyped by this guy. Arnaud, please don't generalize. Very few Americans feel like that Chumbley fellow. I am very patriotic and a USMC veteran as well a product of the South (Confederacy, as it were). But I don't feel have the same view as Chumbley. Idan, thanks for recognizing that we are *not* all like that. -Al A. -- ~/.signature ==== > Dang! I was afraid Americans in general would get stereotyped by this > guy. Arnaud, please don't generalize. Very few Americans feel like > that Chumbley fellow. I am very patriotic and a USMC veteran as well a > product of the South (Confederacy, as it were). But I don't feel have > the same view as Chumbley. I agree. I still have the overall impression that the typical American is quite friendly. Most Americans I know (including myself :)) oppose Bush on most issues, and are not the we will do exactly what we want type. The US has done some things that are wrong, but it's time to put those things behind us. As Gandhi said, An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind. Bhuvanesh. something I oughtn't, I apologize. ==== oN 12-Nov-03, Bhuvanesh said: > I agree. I still have the overall impression that the typical American > is quite friendly. Most Americans I know (including myself :)) oppose > Bush on most issues, and are not the we will do exactly what we want > type. The US has done some things that are wrong, but it's time to put > those things behind us. As Gandhi said, An eye for an eye only ends > up making the whole world blind. Don't confuse the views in a locality (yours) with the prevailing views in the country. Much of the country is conservative, and even in California (where I reside), the liberals are found primarily in the coastal cities. For my part, I agree with much of what Bush has done, and of what he proposes to do. I disagree with his imposition of steel tariffs (they never work as intended, and the consequences are often dire), but he's likely to rescind those soon. It's worth noting that most programs proposed by liberals achieve the opposite of the claims made for them. As to claims of people being killed for admittedly rude language, that isn't likely to happen (even in the South0, other than in drunken brawls. -- Bill ==== > Sir, I come from a place in the world, the states of the old Confederate > States of America, where such insulting remarks as yours, especially > addressed to a lady, can and often will get you killed. You have seen on the > news, I am sure, what we Americans do when we get mad. Your insulting remark > should be withdrawn and a public apology posted here addressed to Laurie. > > Then you should, perhaps, keep your mouth shut here on this newsgroup for > about six months. Are you in fact inside a red balloon, Sir? ==== Will BZ49 uncompress files from a 48GX compressed with BZ4, or do I need to uncompress all my files and rewrite the code prior to transfer? Scott