HP-26 ==== Are you talking about VirtualPC with WinXP running on a Mac or WinXP on a real PC? If you have the USB connection to the 49g+ working under VirtualPC, I would love to hear about it! ;-) Mike Mander > > I also have been unable to make the 49g+ USB connection work with > Virtual PC 6.1 on OS X 10.2.8 or 10.3. There is today a 10.3.1 update > already which apparently addresses some USB connectivity issues (among > a few others), but I sincerely doubt the update will help with this > problem. > > With a Mass-Storage-Device compliant SD card reader, it should be no > problem reading 49g+ formatted cards with Virtual PC under OS X. Just > don't use a multi-slot type of reader. Only the primary slot > (usually the CF-slot) will be visible in VirtualPC. Get a single slot > SD reader for this task. > > See my other posting on another thread with details of my problems re: > the 49g+ and my Macintosh. > > Mike Mander > > > > Slightly off-topic but has anyone had any success connecting with Virtual PC > > on a OS X mac. So far IÕve had none. > > > > TIA, > > > > Britt > > > > > > -- > hey this happened to me last night and windows XP said it found new > hardware. i followed through with the install and now it works fine > again. could be that it is loosing the install data. In any event > that is how i fixed the problem. Travis ==== > > Are you talking about VirtualPC with WinXP running on a Mac or WinXP > on a real PC? If you have the USB connection to the 49g+ working > under VirtualPC, I would love to hear about it! ;-) > > Mike Mander > > > > > > I also have been unable to make the 49g+ USB connection work with > > Virtual PC 6.1 on OS X 10.2.8 or 10.3. There is today a 10.3.1 update > > already which apparently addresses some USB connectivity issues (among > > a few others), but I sincerely doubt the update will help with this > > problem. > > > > With a Mass-Storage-Device compliant SD card reader, it should be no > > problem reading 49g+ formatted cards with Virtual PC under OS X. Just > > don't use a multi-slot type of reader. Only the primary slot > > (usually the CF-slot) will be visible in VirtualPC. Get a single slot > > SD reader for this task. > > > > See my other posting on another thread with details of my problems re: > > the 49g+ and my Macintosh. > > > > Mike Mander > > > > > > Slightly off-topic but has anyone had any success connecting with Virtual PC > > on a OS X mac. So far IÕve had none. > > > > TIA, > > > > Britt > > > > > > -- > hey this happened to me last night and windows XP said it found new > hardware. i followed through with the install and now it works fine > again. could be that it is loosing the install data. In any event > that is how i fixed the problem. Travis Mike, No real pc. I personally hate macs. Windows XP Professional is what I am running on. I have not had any more trouble with my comm4x since then so something worked. hey I have another post about not getting 49.bin to work on the emu49. have any idea? Travis ==== X > hey I have another post about not getting > 49.bin to work on the emu49. have any idea? Travis The 49G & EMU48 Saturn emulator are low-level hawdware wise different from the ARM9 based calc and a new EMU is needed The 49.bin ~2MB will not work on emu, which needs a ~4MB file Veli+Pekka ==== Folks, I have an 8th ed. version of this guide for sale. (December 1994) Very fine condition. $30.00 shipped USA/Canada Bill ==== By any chance, would you have also a hp48sx user manual(s) to sale ? Herve a .8ecrit dans le message de > > Folks, > > I have an 8th ed. version of this guide for sale. (December 1994) > Very fine condition. > > $30.00 shipped USA/Canada > > Bill > ==== > Perhaps it just my paranoid nature left over from 9-11, but the name and > the repeated off subject posts make me wonder if there is more than just > garbage in these odd patterns in his signature. Anybody else think the > FBI should take a look at these? > KW It is just ASCII art. Stenographed ascii art? I don't think.. :) ==== Greetings Is it OK to use the following libraries on the HP49G+ (all from HPCalc.org): Emacs version 1.11 by Carsten Dominik CQIF version 1.7.7F by Pierre Tardy Nosy version 4.0 by Jurjen Bos I do not want to load them if they are just going to crash the machine. Gordon Pegue ==== GP> Greetings GP> Is it OK to use the following libraries on the HP49G+ (all from HPCalc.org): GP> Emacs version 1.11 by Carsten Dominik GP> CQIF version 1.7.7F by Pierre Tardy GP> Nosy version 4.0 by Jurjen Bos Emacs 1.11 largely works but has problems with the longpress functionality. Better to get Emacs 1.12 from my site for the time being http://zon.astro.uva.nl/~dominik/hpcalc/emacs/ You need to create a global variable (in HOME) 'lht', and store a number like 900. into it. This will also slow down KEYMAN's long-hold time correctly. I don't have a 49G+ yet (still waiting for better news about the keyboard), but from WR's posts I read that Nosy does not work on rom 1.20, but it works fine on rom 1.22. I don't know about CQIF. - Carsten GP> I do not want to load them if they are just going to crash the machine. GP> Gordon Pegue ==== > Emacs 1.11 largely works but has problems with the longpress > functionality. Better to get Emacs 1.12 from my site for the time > being. Long-press is not the only problem with Emacs. There are problems with the header size change in Emacs' Search and Replace option, manageable only by those who know its mechanisms, hardly by the normal user. In addition, RPLED has an old bug which easily leads to a TTRM, namely when a control alarm arrives during a session with RPLED. Who does not know what a control alarm is should read the old HP48 docus. It is not mentioned in the 49 docus, even not in the huge User's Guide from the internet where it should have been explained. For this and other reason I made a tool Topkeys+ containing a serie of useful key assignments for the HP49G+, in particular a bug-free and faster variant of RPLED on longhold DownArrow. It can still jointly be used with the application memu of Emacs. Clearly, Topkeys+ includes also a TEVAL option, just on the longhold EVAL key. A very nice assignment can be made at the RS DownArrow key which yields details on the current menu. Clearly, the assignment preseres this function in default mode. However, in edit mode it moves the cursor down only if DownArrow is normally pressed. If longer hold details on the current menu are displayed. The edit mode is not left or affected in any way by this intermediate display. I wunder why such an option is not included in the built-in Edit menu. At any rate, I included the stable PTR 258D6 (display details on the menu) in my personal extable and called it DETAIL. This useful pointer should also be added to the expected new extable, at least to Thomas Rast's extable version. Wolfgang http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/~raut/WR49/Topkeys+.htm ==== > Greetings > > Is it OK to use the following libraries on the HP49G+ (all from HPCalc.org): > > Emacs version 1.11 by Carsten Dominik > CQIF version 1.7.7F by Pierre Tardy > Nosy version 4.0 by Jurjen Bos Nosy works, but the cursor moves too fast unless you're careful. No idea about the others, but I recall someone saying Emacs works. Al > > I do not want to load them if they are just going to crash the machine. > > Gordon Pegue ==== > Wait till hp updates the 49g software. > NO > Buy it now and learn to use it immediately > The FlashROM is there for updates My apologies for being unclear. I hope these other posts of mine explain what I meant. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2179575005d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&se lm=551a73ee.0311041953.75694487%40posting.google.com http://www-s.ti.com/cgi-bin/discuss/sdbmessageview.cgi?databasetoopen=calcul ators&topicarea=Graphing+Calculator+Comparisons&viewmethod=Thread&messageid=1 43206 ==== Here's a direct URL. http://h20015.www2.hp.com/en/taskPageSelect.jhtml?reg=&plc=&lc=en&cc=us&prod Id=hp49ggraph351775&pagetype=manual&docparent=manual > Hope this hasn't already been mentioned and I just missed it, > but I just downloaded the latest 49g+ User's Guide from > www.hp.com and it's now bookmarked and about 2 MB bigger > than before. I haven't looked yet to see what's changed though... > > Mike ==== Is there a program that lets ou create Apps-like menus, so you can make and edit an Apps-like menu. You could taker the libs, put them in a directory, then move the directory to the sd card, then you make a shortcut, or menu to the sd card. Will this work? ==== > Is there a program that lets ou create Apps-like menus, so you can > make and edit an Apps-like menu. You could taker the libs, put them > in a directory, then move the directory to the sd card, then you make > a shortcut, or menu to the sd card. Will this work? :3: Program :3: {directory sub directory Program} Try to EVALuate those in your 49g+ Veli+Pekka ==== I have posted this earlier. Is anyone working on a translation for Crazy cars to the 49G? Someone said they were and that they were going to release it soon. Its been almost 2 months and I still can't see anything posted? Thanxz in Advance, CID ==== Idan, you stated in regard to Laurie's response that just because they say > they check every unit ? i dont really belive them, if you ask me... > He said HE didn't believe him personally, he never accused her of lying, just that he didn't believe her > Sir, I come from a place in the world, the states of the old Confederate > States of America, where such insulting remarks as yours, especially > addressed to a lady, can and often will get you killed. You have seen on the > news, I am sure, what we Americans do when we get mad. Your insulting remark > should be withdrawn and a public apology posted here addressed to Laurie. > Where do you live, compton, or let me guess, alabama???? Where I come from (USA) we respect other peoples opinions, not threaten bodily harm if we disagree. And as for bragging about what We Americans do when we get mad, speak for yourself. You are a blubbering idiot. Please don't group me into your backwards hillbilly mentality. Your name fits you well. > Then you should, perhaps, keep your mouth shut here on this newsgroup for > about six months. > I'm an American, do i have to shut up for six months as well? I can't even believe you know how to operate that 49g+ > Deo vindice, > James F. Chumbley ==== If you want to really make it pretty for the user, why not even have it display the i, unless you think some might be confused by that. > Can I wish for Complex Numbers in Polar Mode with Units? > internally like Matrices with Symbolics and/or Integers eg. lists > { 5._V 45._o} > extaernally - that is: the user looks at pretty print: > (5_V <) 45_o) > AND naturally that should also work in the EQW > and regardless of RAD/DEG mode, because angle unit is explicitly noted > > > ==== how about because sometimes the i is a j! chic > If you want to really make it pretty for the user, why not even have it > display the i, unless you think some might be confused by that. > > > > Can I wish for Complex Numbers in Polar Mode with Units? > internally like Matrices with Symbolics and/or Integers eg. lists > { 5._V 45._o} > extaernally - that is: the user looks at pretty print: > (5_V <) 45_o) > AND naturally that should also work in the EQW > and regardless of RAD/DEG mode, because angle unit is explicitly noted > > > > ==== Ja Ja Ja... > how about because sometimes the i is a j! > chic > ==== I have a sneaking suspicion that there are a lot of people in this NG that are good in many areas of mathematics. I work in construction, and have found basic math, geometry, algebra, and trigonometry useful, as well as I know them. I would like recommendations of good books or websites to brush up on and learn more about these. For me, it's fun. Also, I've never done calculus, and would like to know useful applications for it, as well as good books, etc. as above. GC ==== >I have a sneaking suspicion that there are a lot of people in this NG that >are good in many areas of mathematics. > >I work in construction, and have found basic math, geometry, algebra, and >trigonometry useful, as well as I know them. > >I would like recommendations of good books or websites to brush up on and >learn more about these. For me, it's fun. > >Also, I've never done calculus, and would like to know useful applications >for it, as well as good books, etc. as above. > > >GC > It's not a pure mathematical book, but I'll order it quickly: A New Kind of Science by Stephen Wolfram The author is the author :-) of Mathematica, the best simbolic calculation program (for me). It talks about all sciences, from mathematics to finance, fractals, geology etc. There are hundreds of beatiful images created with Mathematica, and it's huge!!! about 1200 pages. Daniele ==== GC, >[...] >I would like recommendations of good books or websites to brush up on and >learn more about these. For me, it's fun. >[...] Here are some books I really enjoyed because they offer some great (and not at all boring) history as well. But they're definitely more about how math developed rather than teaching how to do it. So if you want text books, skip these! Livio: The Golden Ratio - Phi Maor: e - The story of a number Others recommended to me that I haven't gotten to yet: Blatner: The Joy of Pi Bodanis: e=mc^2 Bunch: The Kingdom of Infinite Number Maor: To Infinity and Beyond Nahin: The Story of (sqrt)-1 Seife: Zero Have fun! Mike ==== If you can find a copy of these old books by Isaac Asimov, they are really good too! Realm of Numbers Realm of Algebra (often called the best book for learning algebra ever written) Realm of Measure They prop up on the prominent internet auction site with some regularity. That's where I got my copies. FWIW, Gene -- * These statements and opinions are mine alone and do not reflect my employer's views. * > GC, > >[...] >I would like recommendations of good books or websites to brush up on and >learn more about these. For me, it's fun. >[...] > > Here are some books I really enjoyed because they offer some > great (and not at all boring) history as well. But they're > definitely more about how math developed rather than teaching > how to do it. So if you want text books, skip these! > > Livio: The Golden Ratio - Phi > Maor: e - The story of a number > > Others recommended to me that I haven't gotten to yet: > > Blatner: The Joy of Pi > Bodanis: e=mc^2 > Bunch: The Kingdom of Infinite Number > Maor: To Infinity and Beyond > Nahin: The Story of (sqrt)-1 > Seife: Zero > > Have fun! > Mike ==== i have a soft spot for the Stroud books http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/103-1191043-6838251 I havent used them as a student but i have recomended them to my own engineering students who have had great succcess with mr Strouds very particular way of teaching mathematical problem solving. > I have a sneaking suspicion that there are a lot of people in this NG that > are good in many areas of mathematics. > > I work in construction, and have found basic math, geometry, algebra, and > trigonometry useful, as well as I know them. > > I would like recommendations of good books or websites to brush up on and > learn more about these. For me, it's fun. > > Also, I've never done calculus, and would like to know useful applications > for it, as well as good books, etc. as above. > > > GC > > ==== There are thousands and thousands of excellent Math books, and I'm sure plenty of people will offer their suggestions, but trust me, you can't do better than getting this one first: What Is Mathematics?: An Elementary Approach to Ideas and Methods by Richard Courant and Herbert Robbins Here's a link to it (if copying to the the URL field of your web browser, remember to place it all in a single line) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0195105192/qid=1068810774/sr=1 -1/ref=sr_1_1/102-6918850-4792151?v=glance&s=books If you visit the link, you'll be able to read up to 18 customer's reviews, as well as a number of editorial reviews and comments, including a comment by Albert Einstein himself: A lucid representation of the fundamental concepts and methods of the whole field of mathematics ... Easily understandable. This book has it all: it's extremely comprehensive, dealing with all the most important mathematical fields, plus it's very clear, easy to understand, and most importantly, will appeal to anyone's imagination and thus it makes excellent, very enjoyable reading. I could recommend you at least a dozen additional excellent Math books, but honestly, I think this is the one you ought to see first. Welcome to the wonderful world of Mathematics. ==== > I have a sneaking suspicion that there are a lot of people in this NG that > are good in many areas of mathematics. > > I work in construction, and have found basic math, geometry, algebra, and > trigonometry useful, as well as I know them. > > I would like recommendations of good books or websites to brush up on and > learn more about these. For me, it's fun. > > Also, I've never done calculus, and would like to know useful applications > for it, as well as good books, etc. as above. > > > GC It quite off topic, but give Calculus ... author Adams a look. it«s thich, heavy and full of examples. I RCL that there is even an solutions book availible. ==== Use Advanced Search on www.hpcalc.org for Nick as author You will find complex, calculus, trigonometric, etc Marathons They are free and show everything on a 49G Veli+Pekka > I have a sneaking suspicion that there are a lot of people in this NG that > are good in many areas of mathematics. > > I work in construction, and have found basic math, geometry, algebra, and > trigonometry useful, as well as I know them. > > I would like recommendations of good books or websites to brush up on and > learn more about these. For me, it's fun. > > Also, I've never done calculus, and would like to know useful applications > for it, as well as good books, etc. as above. > > > GC > > ==== I live in Ontario Canada. Can anyone tell me where I can buy an HP 49G+ nearby? Jacques ==== Same here. After I created a library with the built-in command (no problems when using the one in OT49!) and a worm start my HP49G+ is completely stuck. It passes ok all standard tests(!!!), but doesn't work. It's ON, I can change the display contrast and when pressing LS RS or Alpha indicators flash. Neither reset nor ON+A+F works. Left without batteries for long hours also doesn't seem to help :( Please someone, help us! > My new calculator, a hp 49g+, is completely stuck. When i switch it > or No then only leads to beeping, no other response. > I experienced similar problems with my former hp, a 49g. The solution > then was either holding down the backspace button when starting, or > setting the device in terminal mode and activating the Flash Download > Program -I then got the option to manually erase user banks i > suspected to be corrupt. > > The problem is that i can't figure out how to do it on my 49g+. > Do anyone of you know? ==== I haven't done it - but isn't that what the pinhole on the back about 1.5 inches up from the bottom is for? ==== Leaving the batteries out won't help if you load each time a bad library. Try, while soft resetting, and keep pressed the backspace key but be very quick immediately following the release of the ON-C combination. You will, hopefully, start a new session with no library loaded at all. Then, move the bad lib from the associated port into main RAM and work on it! !Demeter! ==== I've got *bad* library in port 2 for sure. Whatever I do I always get the Try to Recover memory messgage and no matter what the answer I get the blank screen after short display ... CAS by ... and Powered by ... Still passes all tests :- > Leaving the batteries out won't help if you > load each time a bad library. Try, while soft > resetting, and keep pressed the backspace key > but be very quick immediately following the > release of the ON-C combination. You will, > hopefully, start a new session with no library > loaded at all. Then, move the bad lib from the > associated port into main RAM and work on it! > > !Demeter! ==== > I've got *bad* library in port 2 for sure. Whatever I do I always get the > Try to Recover memory messgage and no matter what the answer I get the > blank screen after short display ... CAS by ... and Powered by ... > Still passes all tests :- > > > Leaving the batteries out won't help if you > load each time a bad library. Try, while soft > resetting, and keep pressed the backspace key > but be very quick immediately following the > release of the ON-C combination. You will, > hopefully, start a new session with no library > loaded at all. Then, move the bad lib from the > associated port into main RAM and work on it! > > !Demeter! > > IIRC, there is a way on the 48 and 49 to turn on the calculator without loading any libraries that might also work on the 49+. Something like holding down ON and ENTER, or maybe the ON and + keys, simultaneously when turning the HP on. Once turned on in this fashion, one can purge offending libraries in the usual way. Does anyone recall the details of this technique? It was posted here a month or so ago. ==== > IIRC, there is a way on the 48 and 49 to turn on the calculator > without loading any libraries that might also work on the 49+. > > Something like holding down ON and ENTER, or maybe the ON and + > keys, simultaneously when turning the HP on. Once turned on in this > fashion, one can purge offending libraries in the usual way. > > Does anyone recall the details of this technique? It was posted here > a month or so ago. I'm not sure on the 48 series, but on the 49G, hold down the backspace key while doing a warmstart. I haven't tested this on the 49g+ yet. -- James ==== | Same here. After I created a library with the built-in command (no problems | when using the one in OT49!) and a worm start my HP49G+ is completely stuck. | It passes ok all standard tests(!!!), but doesn't work. It's ON, I can | change the display contrast and when pressing LS RS or Alpha indicators | flash. Neither reset nor ON+A+F works. Left without batteries for long hours | also doesn't seem to help :( | Please someone, help us! Did you remove the backup battery (button cell) as well? ==== WinXP Pro USB 1.0.4.2, installed on two front ports conn4x: 1689, 1783, both nehave the same ROM 1.22 1) Calc connected and recognized 2) conn4x startted, x9+ device selected 3) XSERVER started on calc 4) connection made, window shows calc files 5A) a library from the PC moves, but doesn't show on calc B) a text fil warns first then also shows the bytes trnasferred and ends but theres is nothing on calc 6 calc disconnected and checked - no files 7 calc reconnected as above steps 1..5 8 a file from calc moves to PC side and shows there and can be opened there 9 Call William Graves ==== > > A while back there was some discussion about LAST MENU which can be obtained > by LS (hold) NXT. That's quite handy. A step better would be a means of > tracking changes and allowing the user to roll back through those changes, > much like Undo in MS Office Aps (at least starting a few years ago). The > current HP LAST... functions are behind Microsoft by a few years. :-) > > I would love an application for my 49G+ that tracked changes over several > iterations, as it does currently with LAST CMD. The best for me would be > two USER Keys: one that cycles the stack backwards in time (UNDO on Someone has programmed a multiple LASTARG using vectored enter and a list IIRC, but I can't find it on the www.hpcalc.org THe same could be used for storing the menus, the path, etc... For more UNDO levels I use HALT perhaps another HALT (& CLEAR to start on a fresh table, unless I need to use the old values) and then later when results of that calculation is stored CLEAR CONT UNDO Veli+Pekka > steroids), and another that cycles the menu bar backwards in time (LAST MENU > on steroids). In a perfect world these features would have functionality in > Edit Mode as well. > > I suspect that the logging activity could slow down the calculator rather > substantially (especially with a heavy stack), but this new G+ is pretty > darn quick! Perhaps user-adjustable limits could be set as to how many > iterations to log, and how large the stack memory would be to cause logging > to be suspended. > > Chris > > ==== I remember a nice equation library on the 48G. Where can I find this on the 49g+? ==== > I remember a nice equation library on the 48G. Where can I find this on the 49g+? http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=3181 ==== ==== > On a related note, does anyone know the font's that were used in the documentation? It's difficult to read because it's pulling Wing Dings in as a font for some headers. Dave ==== > I have found that everytime I meke my HP49G draw a function, it assign a > nummeric value to X. Usually a real number. I also found that it's only when > i use the Auto in plot window that this happens. Let me take an example: > * I plot the function Y1(X)=X^2 > * I change to plot window, sets H-View to 0 and 5. Next, I press F4 > (AUTO), wich makes V-View -3.75 and 25. > * Now, i don't let the calc draws the graph. Instead i cancel. > * After pushing the VAR button, I can see that the new variable X is being > created. > * The variable X now contains the number 5.125. AUTO samples maybe 20 values of the function in order to determine the suitable plotting ranges the last X used is in X I suggest that you use CleanSolve from www.hpcalc.org or get used to that idea of X needs to be purged > So I have two questions about this weird behaviour: > * What does the number 5.125 mean? Can I use it to something, or is there a > bug in my HP, so that X as an temporary variable while V-View is calculated, > is not removed when the calculation is completed? > * Is there any posibility that I can use another variable name than X, Ex > QZZX! as i probably never will use myself. Of course I still want to write > Y1(X)=X^2 and not Y1(QZZX)=QZZX^2. That's what happens if I in plot > setup change Indep form 'X' to 'QZZX'. can't you just use X1 ? > ----------------- > > Another thing: > My calc can't solve 'SIN(X)-1/4*X' using SOLVEVX. Instead it gives an error. > When i plotted the function, I saw that the graph had three posible > solutions. Is there any way I can get the calc returning those three > answers? > Another guy in my class have a much cheaper calc, an texas i think. He's > calc was able to return all three answers. That's was quite frustrating, > because my HP49G is indeed ment to be the greatest one. Being more expensiv > and advanced than both texas and casio calcs. > I know I can draw the graph and find any extrema, but that's not my goal. > So my question is (probably as expected): Is there any built-in function on > my HP49g that I can use to find all values for X that makes 'SIN(X)-1/4*X' > return 0 within an spesific range? > > Ps: Have upgraded to ROM 1.19-6. 'SIN(X)-1/4*X' 'X' 1.5 ROOT (do it with -1.5 and 0.) Veli+Pekka ==== > 'SIN(X)-1/4*X' > 'X' > 1.5 > ROOT > (do it with -1.5 and 0.) > Veli+Pekka Whats the 1.5 (or 0 or -1.5 )?? TY-IA ==== Veli-Pekka Nousiainen skrev i melding > > I have found that everytime I meke my HP49G draw a function, it assign a > nummeric value to X. Usually a real number. I also found that it's only > when > i use the Auto in plot window that this happens. Let me take an example: > * I plot the function Y1(X)=X^2 > * I change to plot window, sets H-View to 0 and 5. Next, I press F4 > (AUTO), wich makes V-View -3.75 and 25. > * Now, i don't let the calc draws the graph. Instead i cancel. > * After pushing the VAR button, I can see that the new variable X is being > created. > * The variable X now contains the number 5.125. > > AUTO samples maybe 20 values of the function > in order to determine the suitable plotting ranges > the last X used is in X > I suggest that you use CleanSolve from www.hpcalc.org > or get used to that idea of X needs to be purged I hope that will be fixed in next ROM. Now I was getting a little disorientated. The short description of CleanSolve says that it can be used to solve an equation, but you say (as i understand) that it can be helpfull due to the variable 'X' that apears. ==== > > I have found that everytime I meke my HP49G draw a function, it assign a > nummeric value to X. Usually a real number. I also found that it's only > when > i use the Auto in plot window that this happens. Let me take an example: > * I plot the function Y1(X)=X^2 > * I change to plot window, sets H-View to 0 and 5. Next, I press F4 > (AUTO), wich makes V-View -3.75 and 25. > * Now, i don't let the calc draws the graph. Instead i cancel. > * After pushing the VAR button, I can see that the new variable X is being > created. > * The variable X now contains the number 5.125. > > AUTO samples maybe 20 values of the function > in order to determine the suitable plotting ranges > the last X used is in X > I suggest that you use CleanSolve from www.hpcalc.org > or get used to that idea of X needs to be purged it's here http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=3141 ==== i have the hp49g+ with rom version 1.22, even if the rom is the last the life of batteries is very short, about 2 weeks.Strangely i verified the charge of batteries by a battery test and the charge was still good (at 90% of their max)...(the batteries were 3 AAA duracexx........M3..., a good product i think!!Or not?!!), but they are discharge for the calculator, i don't understand the way. I have forgotten..... with these i updated the rom and i installed only the library: solvesys!! Somebody can help me??? Somebody have the same problem?? peppe ==== Are they rechargeable? The low voltage triggering mechanism in the HP49G+ gets rightfully activated because they are considered good when they are at 1.2 volts which is the low for the regular alcaline (nominal 1.5 volts). Try your test machine (HP49G+) with alcaline or regular AAA batteries. !Demeter! ==== Demeter ha scritto nel messaggio > > Are they rechargeable? The low voltage triggering mechanism > in the HP49G+ gets rightfully activated because they are > considered good when they are at 1.2 volts which is the low > for the regular alcaline (nominal 1.5 volts). Try your test > machine (HP49G+) with alcaline or regular AAA batteries. > > !Demeter! No....... they aren't rechargeable, ihave tested their voltage and current, current = about 4.5 A and voltage about 1.4 V. Their are alcaline batteries!!!!! peppe ==== I live in Ontario Canada. Can anyone tell me where I can buy an HP 49G+ nearby? Jacques ==== When you use Find at Emacs with the full screen it happens a bug. The word Find: is covered by some code. What am I supposed to do? ==== Using the HP 49g+, when I type Find at Emacs with the full screen it happens a bug. The word Find: is covered by some code. What am I supposed to do? ==== I saw a USB mini-b cable at the department store today. It looked a lot like the USB cable that came with my HP-49G+. It would be an additional plus for the 49G+ (bad pun that should have been avoided) if its USB cable is not some exotic, HP-only-source design. Can anyone confirm that the HP-49G+ calculator-end socket is a USB mini-b? ==== I confirm. Due to recent outbreaks in this NG, if you want to receive my wonderfull 200 lines signature fixed font, please contact me directly :-) > I saw a USB mini-b cable at the department store today. It looked a > lot like the USB cable that came with my HP-49G+. It would be an > additional plus for the 49G+ (bad pun that should have been avoided) > if its USB cable is not some exotic, HP-only-source design. > > Can anyone confirm that the HP-49G+ calculator-end socket is a USB > mini-b? ==== > > Due to recent outbreaks in this NG, if you want to receive my wonderfull 200 > lines signature fixed font, please contact me directly :-) I do I do!! BTW: what exactly does fixed font mean?? ==== > BTW: what exactly does fixed font mean?? Well, not fixed as in repaired, but fixed as in not changeable, and opposed to a proportional font. Fixed fonts are what you get when using a typewriter; every character has the same width as every other character. With a proportion font some characters are wider than others; for example, a W is wider than an l. Looking at tables and program listings with a proportional font generally puts things out of alignment, assuming that they were written with a fixed font or even a different proportional font. I suppose that ASCII art wouldn't appear as intended either. -- James ==== > > > > > BTW: what exactly does fixed font mean?? > > Well, not fixed as in repaired, but fixed as in not changeable, and > opposed to a proportional font. Fixed fonts are what you get when > using a typewriter; every character has the same width as every other > character. With a proportion font some characters are wider than > others; for example, a W is wider than an l. What is here called fixed is more commonly called fixed width meaning that every character is displayed in a space of the same width as every other character. This is like the old mechanical typrewriters which mored the platen over the same distance after each character before typing the next one. Fixed width is also useful in financial text, when you want numbers to line up nicely in columns. > > Looking at tables and program listings with a proportional font > generally puts things out of alignment, assuming that they were written > with a fixed font or even a different proportional font. I suppose that > ASCII art wouldn't appear as intended either. Since each different proportional font tends to use different width patterns than others, vertical alignments will differ from one to another, whereas with fixed width fonts, changing fonts does not affect vertical alignment at all (unless too wide a font causes lines to overflow and get broken up). ==== > >>All 113 programs do need to be visible to normal users, since they are >>all intended to be user-level functions. Is there at least an easy way >>to make a soft menu item have the little manila-folder-like tab that >>they use for directories and sub-menus? Other than that, writing a >>nesting menu program would be trivial. > > You could use the following methods > A) use a graphical key to represent the submenu > then under that key you start a new (T)MENU > (don't forget the MAIN label) > B) use a real subdirectory with the same name > Again you should have a new MENU in your subdirectory > (with MAIN together with UPDIR command to go back up) > In case someone did not understand the above short desciptions > I'm sure James with give Prangeable explanation (-; Huh? I think someone mentioned my name? But there's no real expertise here. I've never experimented with sub-menus in libraries. As I understand it, libraries don't have a tree-like structure like a directory and its subdirectories. I've never tried to experiment with putting a directory within a library. But you can put the objects in a preferred order and hide some and make others visible, which for most libraries is sufficient. But the built-in menus do indeed have sub-menus, so there is a way. I suppose that a visible library object could be a library command to generate a menu, and some or all of the items in the menu list could be (hidden) library commands (are hidden library objects properly called commands?) to generate other menus, and to allow the user to navigate up the menu-tree, each sub-menu could include the library command which generated its parent-menu. I guess that I've made that as clear as mud. I expect that the MENU or TMENU commands offer a way to accomplish this; one could always experiment with them in ordinary UserRPL. And I do recall that there's a way to have the little tab on a menu label, but I don't off-hand recall how. But I think that Christopher seems to be on the right track. -- James ==== I eventually found out how to get it to generate the little folder grobs from another thread here, and ended up writing another program called NMENU that I added to the library, which generates a nested menu set from a CST-like menu. After looking more deeply into the soft-menu system on the calculator, I have came to a conlcusion about it that I would like people with actual knowledge on the subject to confirm or deny. The calculator doesn't really have sub-menus at all, not even the built-in menus, it just fakes it. Now I don't mean this in a bad way, rather this is what an engineer would call a design decision. Notice how specific menus can be reached by typing in some integer between 0 and 256 and then executing MENU? A sub-menu just calls [some other integer] MENU, and so they appear to be nested, even though they really aren't. This was probably a really good idea originally though (back in the 48SX or whatever calculator first had the soft-menus), because I would hate to see how slow it would be on a 2-MHz Saturn. The program takes about a second or two to initially display the full library menu on the 49G+. > >>All 113 programs do need to be visible to normal users, since they are >>all intended to be user-level functions. Is there at least an easy way >>to make a soft menu item have the little manila-folder-like tab that >>they use for directories and sub-menus? Other than that, writing a >>nesting menu program would be trivial. > > You could use the following methods > A) use a graphical key to represent the submenu > then under that key you start a new (T)MENU > (don't forget the MAIN label) > B) use a real subdirectory with the same name > Again you should have a new MENU in your subdirectory > (with MAIN together with UPDIR command to go back up) > In case someone did not understand the above short desciptions > I'm sure James with give Prangeable explanation (-; ==== Will you release your software here as an example, please. Veli+Pekka > I eventually found out how to get it to generate the little folder grobs > from another thread here, and ended up writing another program called > NMENU that I added to the library, which generates a nested menu set > from a CST-like menu. > > After looking more deeply into the soft-menu system on the calculator, I > have came to a conlcusion about it that I would like people with actual > knowledge on the subject to confirm or deny. The calculator doesn't > really have sub-menus at all, not even the built-in menus, it just fakes > it. Now I don't mean this in a bad way, rather this is what an engineer > would call a design decision. Notice how specific menus can be > reached by typing in some integer between 0 and 256 and then executing > MENU? A sub-menu just calls [some other integer] MENU, and so they > appear to be nested, even though they really aren't. This was probably > a really good idea originally though (back in the 48SX or whatever > calculator first had the soft-menus), because I would hate to see how > slow it would be on a 2-MHz Saturn. The program takes about a second or > two to initially display the full library menu on the 49G+. > > >>All 113 programs do need to be visible to normal users, since they are >>all intended to be user-level functions. Is there at least an easy way >>to make a soft menu item have the little manila-folder-like tab that >>they use for directories and sub-menus? Other than that, writing a >>nesting menu program would be trivial. > > You could use the following methods > A) use a graphical key to represent the submenu > then under that key you start a new (T)MENU > (don't forget the MAIN label) > B) use a real subdirectory with the same name > Again you should have a new MENU in your subdirectory > (with MAIN together with UPDIR command to go back up) > In case someone did not understand the above short desciptions > I'm sure James with give Prangeable explanation (-; > ==== I intend to release the entire library in about a week or two. I need to clean up the documentation some more. I wouldn't mind putting the NMENU program out here early though. Is there an easy way to apply the Kermit-style HP-to-ASCII translation on the 49g+? or would just an uuencode of the file taken off of the SD card work for this newsgroup? > Will you release your software here as an example, please. > Veli+Pekka > >>I eventually found out how to get it to generate the little folder grobs >>from another thread here, and ended up writing another program called >>NMENU that I added to the library, which generates a nested menu set >>from a CST-like menu. ==== Just received a new 49g+; my first upgrade since purchasing two 11Cs years ago. What a difference! The programming chapter of the Users Guide refers to sample programs provided on the CD that came with the calculator. Has anyone found these? KB ==== Amazon.com have this calculator for $141 with Free Shipping. ==== I am working on the 2nd-order ODE example found on 16-64 of the HP49G+ User's Manual (the 10MB one). It uses the numerical differential eqn solver to solve the following: x(t)= -18.75x(t)-1.962x'(t) with x'(0)=6 and x(0)=0. The goal is to find x and x' at t=2. I entered it into the solver as shown in the example, but receive the following error message: NON-ALGEBRAIC IN EXPRESSION. PLEASE NOTE: that I am not running a G+; rather, it is a 49G using 1.19-6 (the most recent build for that calculator). Is there an error in the manual, or can this problem only be done on a 49G+? Any help would be appreciated. NOTE: on the follow-up example (graphical solution to the same problem on p. 16-66), the calculator doesn't seem to like [0 6] as the initial solution. ==== Can anyone tell me if programs written for the HP48GX and G+ programs will run directly on the new HP48GII? I have searched the web but have not been able to find an answer to this question. Many thanks Grant Nicklin ==== Generally speaking, yes. There may be a few things that would not work, but I can't think of any off the top of my head. Gene -- * These statements and opinions are mine alone and do not reflect my employer's views. * > Can anyone tell me if programs written for the HP48GX and G+ > programs will run directly on the new HP48GII? I have searched > the web but have not been able to find an answer to this > question. > > Many thanks > Grant Nicklin ==== > Can anyone tell me if programs written for the HP48GX and G+ > programs will run directly on the new HP48GII? I have searched > the web but have not been able to find an answer to this > question. > > Many thanks > Grant Nicklin I am talking baout UserRPL programs here. Grant Nicklin ==== have a TI89 also. I have heard of Stewart's book, very expensive , but maybe there are some used one floating around. >James Stewart's Calculus (Brooks/Cole) series seems to be one of the >more popular college-level calculus texts. Its coverage of technology >is decent and because of its relative popularity, a series of books >entitled CalcLabs have been written to supplement the text. >Unfortunately, I don't think there is a version of the CalcLab lab >manual for HP calculators, but there are versions for Mathematica, >Maple, Derive, TI 82/83 (single variable only), TI 85/86 (single >variable only), and TI 89/92/92+. These are available from Amazon.com, >and while I have not looked at any of them myself, I am told that they >are good, fairly comprensive - designed for a lab course in calculus >and has exercises, labs, and projects. An advantage for the teacher >(and probably the student as well) is that it is tied to the sequence >and content of the lecture text. > >Even though there doesn't appear to be an HP-specific version of the >CalcLabs book, you might find that some of the information covered in >one of the other versions (especially the PC CAS versions) would also >be useful when transferrred to the HP, and I would imagine that most >if not all of the examples would work on the HP. > >Also, do you need something designed to be tied to a course, as you >implied? If you don't need this, there are several of calculus on the >HP calculator books on Amazon.com. They aren't textbooks or books >related to a specific textbook, but will likely be helpful anyway. > >> Does anyone have any recommendations for college level calculus >> textbooks that have good supplimentary info for using HP calculators, >> or TI for that matter, where one can find good exercises in using the ==== Having played with the 48's equation library on the 49 I found it quite good but too big so I compressed it. The library is now 40% smaller. I would like to post it on hpcalc.org but I would first like to have James authorisation, address he gives in the documentation is not valid. indicating hp to sort it out from spam. Arnaud ==== Found a track, thank's ! Herve Eugene a .8ecrit dans le message de > > Great tip, thank's... but excuse my ignorance : > how do you du to search back through the archives on google ? > This must be a newbee question, but I have to raise it once in my life.. > Herve > > Eugene a ?rit dans le message de >> >> Just be given a HP48SX without any manual. The 4 basics ops I can do >> :-) but I would like to go further. Any idea where I could download pdf >> manuals, or buy them, even heavily used, or any other suggestion ? >> Herve, Paris, France >> Search back through the archives on google, the manuals are available. >> > http://groups.google.com/ > > It contains the archive of most NG's going way back years. ==== The entry point DispStsBound doesn«t display a horizontal line at y=14, normally the separation between header and stack. ==== > I am thinking of buying a printed copy of the 49G AUR, but am > wondering if it contains a full, alphabetically sorted and well > indexed command reference similar to the 48G Series AUR that I already > own? If anyone has both these AURs and could provide feedback on a > comparison, I would much appreciate it. No, save your money. The printed 49G Advanced User's *Guide* has the CAS commands, but most commands fall into the other commands category, so you need the PDF Advanced User's Guide for them. Maybe HP thinks that any advanced user already know everything about every one of the other commands. -- James ==== > I am thinking of buying a printed copy of the 49G AUR, but am > wondering if it contains a full, alphabetically sorted and well > indexed command reference similar to the 48G Series AUR that I already > own? If anyone has both these AURs and could provide feedback on a > comparison, I would much appreciate it. > > Mike Mander Save yourself some money. This is directly from HP. References for non-CAS commands The help facility contains entries for all the commands developed for the CAS (Computer Algebraic System). There is a large number of other functions and commands that were originally developed for the HP 48G series calculators that are not included in the help facility. Good references for those commands are the HP 48G Series Userâs Guide (HP Part No. 00048-90126) and the HP 48G Series Advanced Userâs Reference Manual (HP Part No. 00048-90136) both published by Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon, in 1993. HP49G+ user's manual Page C-13 Virgilio ==== I am still curious though about the printed 49G AUR (not 49g+) that Samson Cables is listing. I have downloaded (from hpcalc.org I think) an indexed 49G AUR that is split into many individual PDF files. It is missing a handful of new functions that were introduced with the last 49G ROMs, but still seems to be a decent and fairly complete reference. However, I always like having a printed manual as well and don't feel like cranking out the 800+ pages myself. I am wondering if anyone can compare the published 49G AUR with the online one I have described? Mike Mander > > I am thinking of buying a printed copy of the 49G AUR, but am > wondering if it contains a full, alphabetically sorted and well > indexed command reference similar to the 48G Series AUR that I already > own? If anyone has both these AURs and could provide feedback on a > comparison, I would much appreciate it. > > Mike Mander > > Save yourself some money. This is directly from HP. > > References for non-CAS commands > > The help facility contains entries for all the commands developed for the > CAS (Computer Algebraic System). There is a large number of other > functions and commands that were originally developed for the HP 48G > series calculators that are not included in the help facility. Good > references for those commands are the HP 48G Series User?s Guide (HP Part > No. 00048-90126) and the HP 48G Series Advanced User?s Reference Manual > (HP Part No. 00048-90136) both published by Hewlett-Packard Company, > Corvallis, Oregon, in 1993. > > HP49G+ user's manual Page C-13 > > Virgilio ==== > I have noticed the following: with digital clock on, I have flickering > and ON+UP does nothing; with clock off, I have flickering for the > first second or so after I turn on the calc, then no more. I think > I'll just leave the clock off :-) As Joe Horn explained the flickering happen when the calculator goes into idle mode: that is when it's doing nothing and no key has been pressed for 2 seconds. If the clock is not displayed then the screen will flicker once when the CPU goes into idle mode. If the clock is ON, the CPU will wake up every second to refresh the display. So you will notice the flicker more often with the clock on But it will happen in every case, just more or less often. Hopefully this can be fixed in future release ==== > with clock off, I have flickering for the first > second or so after I turn on the calc, then no more. Same here, with one additional piece of information. If I pause between key presses, or just enter numbers/values slowly, my calc will flicker once (within a second or so) following each key press. Like folks have already said, the calc must go into high-power mode when a key is pressed, then when the key is released, after a period of inactivity, say a second or so, it drops off into low-power mode. When it goes into low power mode, it must miss/skip a display refresh cycle, which is exhibited as a flicker in the menu key area. Matt ==== > with clock off, I have flickering for the first > second or so after I turn on the calc, then no more. > > Same here, with one additional piece of information. If I pause > between key presses, or just enter numbers/values slowly, my calc will > flicker once (within a second or so) following each key press. > > Like folks have already said, the calc must go into high-power mode > when a key is pressed, then when the key is released, after a period > of inactivity, say a second or so, it drops off into low-power mode. > When it goes into low power mode, it must miss/skip a display refresh > cycle, which is exhibited as a flicker in the menu key area. The flicker in my calc is so small (lifghts, eyes, view angle) that I'm more aorried about the slow mode clock frequency If the ARM9 is down to 75MHz from the 203 MHz is the slow mode 12MHz down to 4MHz or even slower? When you find the slowest possible slow-speed of the ARM9-calc combo thaen the curremt is also the lowest. Most of the time user just stares the screen for zillions of nanoseconds (from the CPU point of view) even between the keystrokes. I would also consider going to slow speed faster, like immediately after the display refresh if there is no activity on keyboard. This would further reduces the stansby power consumption. Veli+Pekka <2d624c12.0311131716.469a9404@posting.google.com> ==== > I would also consider going to slow speed faster, like immediately > after the display refresh if there is no activity on keyboard. > Changing the clock frequency of a CPU has some consequences. There's always a bit of lag between frequency speed and you also need to re- synchronize all external devices: screen, I/O, timers etc... Some weird stuff will happen when you change frequency very often. Like due to the lag some keypresses could be missed and so on.. Everything is always done for a reason. Especially in a device where you can tell they've spent a lot of time working on the CPU frequencies... why bother with a specific wait after a keypress otherwise? ==== > Will BZ49 uncompress files from a 48GX compressed with BZ4, or do I > need to uncompress all my files and rewrite the code prior to transfer? > I don't think it will have problem uncompressing the file itself. However you will probably have a problem with what has been uncompressed! If it was a program, it will certainly not work on your HP49 and may crash your machine ==== > Will BZ49 uncompress files from a 48GX compressed with BZ4, or do I > need to uncompress all my files and rewrite the code prior to transfer? > > > I don't think it will have problem uncompressing the file itself. > However you will probably have a problem with what has been uncompressed! > If it was a program, it will certainly not work on your HP49 and may > crash your machine > An uncompressed program in user RPL won't function on a 49g+? Why not? What would be different? ==== >>Why not? If you visit http://bugs.hpcalc.org/, you should be able to do >>it. Where do you run into a problem? > > > I can only choose HP49G as product to report a bug for. Ah, I think I see what you mean. When you get to the Enter Bug page, look on the left size for Platform, open the choose list next to this, and choose the calculator model. -- James ==== > I transfered a directory from my 48GX to my 49g+ and wind up with a string > that starts out HPHP48-R.Doesw this mean that I cannot transfer objects > and directories from the 48 to the 49? Yes, at least not as compiled objects; only as source code. If you're transferring from a 48GX to a 49g+, then that tells me that you're using a PC as an intermediary. Try transferring from the 48GX to the PC using Kermit in ASCII mode, with the 48's translation mode set to 0 or 1 (use the TRANSIO command if needed). Keep track of the angular mode (Degrees, Radians, or Gradians) and fraction mark (. or ,). On the PC, edit out the ASCII transfer header (%%HP: T(3)A(R)F(.); or similar), and transfer that from the PC to the 49g+. Or you could wait and edit out the header on the 49g+. Anyway, once you have the source code string (without any header) on the 49g+, set its angular mode and fraction mark to match what you used on the 48, set it to approximate to avoid compiling reals as exact integers, put the string on the stack, and do STR-> or OBJ-> to compile it. Possible complications would be names from the earlier model that happen to match command or library names on the newer model, and commands that have the same name but not quite the same result on different calculators. -- James ==== I can remove the header, but am having difficulty with STR-> and OBJ->. Both say invalid object. > > I transfered a directory from my 48GX to my 49g+ and wind up with a string > > that starts out HPHP48-R.Doesw this mean that I cannot transfer objects > > and directories from the 48 to the 49? > > Yes, at least not as compiled objects; only as source code. If you're > transferring from a 48GX to a 49g+, then that tells me that you're using > a PC as an intermediary. Try transferring from the 48GX to the PC using > Kermit in ASCII mode, with the 48's translation mode set to 0 or 1 (use > the TRANSIO command if needed). Keep track of the angular mode (Degrees, > Radians, or Gradians) and fraction mark (. or ,). On the PC, edit > out the ASCII transfer header (%%HP: T(3)A(R)F(.); or similar), and > transfer that from the PC to the 49g+. Or you could wait and edit out > the header on the 49g+. Anyway, once you have the source code string > (without any header) on the 49g+, set its angular mode and fraction mark > to match what you used on the 48, set it to approximate to avoid > compiling reals as exact integers, put the string on the stack, and do > STR-> or OBJ-> to compile it. > > Possible complications would be names from the earlier model that happen > to match command or library names on the newer model, and commands that > have the same name but not quite the same result on different > calculators. > > -- > James > ==== > I transfered a directory from my 48GX to my 49g+ and wind up with a > string that starts out HPHP48-R.Doesw this mean that I cannot > transfer objects and directories from the 48 to the 49? > You can only transfer data in ASCII mode between a 48GX and 49G. Sending binary images will not work as the internals of the programs have changed between one machine to another ==== > How do the function sets compare between the 49g and the 49g+? As far as I know, except for changes to deal with the SD card, USB, and IrDA, the same. > I understand that IR is restored so that is good. Good, but could be a whole lot better. It doesn't work for communicating with the old 48 series, just by IrDA and (sort of) printing to the 82240A/B printers. To the printers, the range is reduced to 2 or 3 inches instead of the 3 to 6 feet that I get from the 48SX and 48GX. > But are there any other changes, fixes, enhancements and/or new functions? I expect that some bug fixes that didn't make it into the 49G's 1.19-6 revision should be in the 49g+. And I view the SD card as a huge enhancement. But the new calculator introduces some new problems of its own. -- James ==== > How do the function sets compare between the 49g and the 49g+? > > I understand that IR is restored so that is good. > > But are there any other changes, fixes, enhancements and/or new functions? > > There's a LOCAL function which allows local variables to be defined that > don't need to be pulled from the stack. That is also in my 1.19-6 ROM for the 49G so it is not new Jerry (-; ==== > > How do the function sets compare between the 49g and the 49g+? > > > > I understand that IR is restored so that is good. > > > > But are there any other changes, fixes, enhancements and/or new > functions? try to plot: { 'X*Y^3-Y*X^3' 'SINX)*SIN(Y)' } in fast 3D mode... ==== > There's a LOCAL function which allows local variables to be defined that > don't need to be pulled from the stack. > > That is also in my 1.19-6 ROM for the 49G > so it is not new Ah. I was looking at the 49G AUG which doesn't have that in it. Do you know how to use it? I tried putting it in a program but it doesn't seem to have any effect. The variables still show up in the Var menu. Does anyone have a short example of the use of this command? TIA Tom Lake ==== > Ah. I was looking at the 49G AUG which doesn't have that in it. Do > you know how to use it? I tried putting it in a program but it > doesn't seem to have any effect. The variables still show up in the > Var menu. Does anyone have a short example of the use of this command? > TIA LOCAL was created in order to create multiple local variables in ALG mode at once. The standard algebraic compile only allows to create one variable at a time doing something like: << -> A << -> B << -> C >>>> Which can quickly make program cumbersome. I don't think LOCAL will have much use in RPL mode. ==== > > There's a LOCAL function which allows local variables to be defined that > > don't need to be pulled from the stack. > > That is also in my 1.19-6 ROM for the 49G > so it is not new > > Ah. I was looking at the 49G AUG which doesn't have that in it. Do you > know how to use it? I tried putting it in a program but it doesn't seem to > have any effect. The variables still show up in the Var menu. Does anyone > have a short example of the use of this command? TIA > > Tom Lake Use -> in RPN mode, you need to«go to the dark side to use LOCAL... BUT if you insist: '<-compiled.local.name=100' LOCAL Veli+Pekka ==== > Veli+Pekka I think you're losing your command over RPN. That should have been Veli Pekka + ;-) -- Bhuvanesh ==== > Use -> in RPN mode, you need to«go to the dark side to use LOCAL... > BUT if you insist: > '<-compiled.local.name=100' LOCAL Well, I'm getting there , slowly. When I try the following, n remains defined even after the program ends although g and ng don't! { '<-ng=0.' '<-g=0.' '<-n=0.' } LOCAL RAND 1000. * 1. + IP 'n' STO 5. 'g' STO 10. 'ng' STO Any idea why? -- Tom Lake Experience keeps a dear school but fools will learn in no other - Poor Richard's Almanack ==== > Use -> in RPN mode, you need to«go to the dark side to use LOCAL... > BUT if you insist: > '<-compiled.local.name=100' LOCAL > > Well, I'm getting there , slowly. When I try the following, n remains > defined even after the program ends although g and ng don't! > > { '<-ng=0.' '<-g=0.' '<-n=0.' } LOCAL RAND 1000. * 1. + IP 'n' STO @ 'n' is global now, use '<-n' instead 5. 'g' @ jada-jada-jada > STO 10. 'ng' STO @ ...... > > Any idea why? Veli+Pekka