B5A-Creation Graham Kendall Modified 2/2/2010 Email grahamkendall74135@yahoo.com I am found on IRC Efnet, Undernet, Dalnet as glk Files found at http://www.grahamkendall.net http://snipurl.com/yt8o my url http://tinyurl.com/ydjvt3 my url, index All are free to use any of this material without limit. ******************************************************************************* ===== Creationist leader Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis exemplifies the fundamentalist insistence that man is the center of God's creation: The real world is the biblical world‹a universe designed by God with the Earth at the spiritual focal point, not an evolutionary universe teeming with life ... Extraterrestrial life is an evolutionary concept; it does not comport with the biblical teachings of the uniqueness of the Earth and the distinct spiritual position of human beings (Ham 2008). == Noah's Flood: The New Scientific Discoveries About The Event That Changed History (Paperback) ~ William Ryan (Author), Walter Pitman (Author) Before the Flood: The Biblical Flood as a Real Event and How It Changed the Course of Civilization by Ian Wilson Flood Legends - Global Clues of a Common Event by Charles Martin sediments in the Black Sea convinced them that the body had been a freshwater lake until about 5600 B.C. When the rising waters of the Mediterranean broke through the Bosporus, "ten cubic miles of water poured through each day, two hundred times what flows over Niagara Falls." == According to Assyrian legend, when the gods met to create the world, they drank wine made from sesame seeds. == Greek creation myth First Chaos. And out of Chaos came Chronus (time); and from Chronus came Zeuss, father of all the gods. == Richard Dawkins (Dawkins 2006) argues at length that any being capable of bringing the universe into existence, fine-tuning all its laws, creating life, and knowing the position of every particle in the universe‹past present and future‹cannot be a simple being but must be unfathomably complex. This renders the theistic argument from design self-defeating, since the core of the argument is that complexity requires a designer, and if the designer (God) himself is complex, an even more complex superdesigner (Super-God) is required to have designed God, ad infinitum. That requiring a designer to explain every instance of complexity leads to an infinite regress of ever more complex designers to design the prior designers. == Krishna was so ordered by His mother, He immediately opened His mouth just like an ordinary boy. Then mother Yasoda saw within that mouth the complete opulence of creation. She saw the entire outer space in all directions, mountains, islands, oceans, seas, planets, air, fire, moon and stars. == Let us consider the consequences of abandoning too soon the quest for natural explanations for phenomena we do not understand. From a practical standpoint, it removes incentives for further discovery. For example, after centuries of research, scientists still do not understand what causes lightning. Should we then conclude that, on the basis of this failure, Thor, the Norse god of thunder, is responsible for this phenomenon after all? Or perhaps Baal, the Canaanite god of rain and thunder? Here is the rub: if we cede to supernatural explanations, we are essentially saying, "We don't know the causes, and furthermore we know we cannot know; therefore, we conclude that God did it, and by doing so, we're giving up on any fruitful scientific research into the causes." Few modern believers would fault scientists for their ongoing quest to discover the natural causes of lightning, yet many criticize naturalists for their determination to explain the origin and development of life without reference to God. Nothing spells the end of investigation like holding out the possibility that a thorny problem requires a supernatural explanation. == Empirical testing relies fundamentally upon the lawful regularities of nature which science has been able to discover and sometimes codify in natural laws. For example, telescopic observations implicitly depend upon the laws governing optical phenomena. If we could not rely upon these laws‹if, for example, even when under the same conditions, telescopes occasionally magnified properly and at other occasions produced various distortions dependent, say, upon the whims of some supernatural entity‹we could not trust telescopic observations as evidence (Pennock 1999, 194-95) == This brings me to the end of the space I have to discuss evolution, but there is a wealth of material available to those who would like to learn more. For those who maintain the earth is only a few thousand years old, see Dave Matson's How Good Are Those Young-Earth Arguments? A Close Look at Dr. Hovind's List of Young-Earth Arguments and Other Claims (Matson 2004) or Brent Dalrymple's "How Old is the Earth: A Response to 'Scientific' Creationism" (Dalrymple 2006). For those who are skeptical of evolutionary theory, I recommend Kenneth Miller's Finding Darwin's God (Miller 1999) and Only a Theory (Miller 2008); Douglas Theobald's "29+ Evidences for Macroevolution" (Theobald 2007a); and the Talk Origins Archive (Talk Origins Archive 2006) as good introductory material. The Talk Origins Archive maintains a comprehensive "Index to Creationist Claims," answering all the common objections to evolution (Isaak 2006). For ongoing coverage of the evolution-intelligent design debate, see the Panda's Thumb weblog (Panda's Thumb 2009). == Those who continue to hitch their faith to the anti-evolutionary bandwagon would do well to consider the perspective of outspoken evangelical Christian Francis Collins, who headed up the monumental Human Genome Project. The following is an excerpt from his Point of Inquiry podcast interview with D. J. Grothe: Intelligent Design, by the way, which is a recent arrival on the scene, I think is headed for collapse in the not-too-distant future. It's based upon a premise which is sort of a god-of-the-gaps idea, that evolution just wasn't quite good enough to come up with all the complex machines we find inside people's cells, and basically, as we learn much more about cell biology, and particularly about the human genome and other genomes, it's pretty clear that that was a naive interpretation‹evolution is actually quite capable of such complexity because it occurs in a stepwise fashion. I actually am quite heartbroken to see the way in which many churches have embraced Intelligent Design because they felt they had to have something to defend against evolutionary atheism, and yet they've attached themselves to a perspective that is headed for trouble, and in the process, I fear that the churches will be demoralized, and faith will be made to look foolish, all of which is totally unnecessary (Collins 2007). == I found myself intrigued by Behe's finely tuned arguments while reading his book, wondering whether he might have a legitimate, even if unconventional, case. Alas, it turns out his central claim that novel protein-protein binding sites have not arisen since the time we began studying the DNA of human parasites is unfounded. For example, the relatively new HIV-1-specific gene VPU has already developed a number of variants involving different protein-protein binding sites to enable the virus to extract itself more readily from infected cells (Smith 2007). Any critical peer review of his manuscript should have brought this fact to light prior to publication. As it turns out, he was placed in the awkward position of having to acknowledge this earlier discovery as a counterexample to one of the central theses of his book after its publication (Musgrave 2007). == In his second book, The Edge of Evolution, Behe probes more deeply into what he considers to be the limits of unguided evolution, while fully embracing and defending the idea that all species, including humans and apes, share a common ancestor. When two lineages share what appears to be an arbitrary genetic accident, the case for common descent becomes compelling, just as the case for plagiarism becomes overpowering when one writer makes the same unusual misspellings of another, within a copy of the same words ... More compelling evidence for shared ancestry of humans and other primates comes from their hemoglobin‹not just their working hemoglobin, but a broken hemoglobin gene, too ... The bottom line is this. Common descent is true; yet the explanation of common descent‹even the common descent of humans and chimps‹although fascinating, is in a profound sense trivial ... == While it is true that fewer scientific articles have been published on the evolutionary origin of these cellular nanomachines than on the origin of macro structures, productive research is in fact being conducted and published, contrary to the ongoing claims of Behe. In the famous 2005 "Dover Intelligent Design" trial, he was presented with a stack of 58 publications addressing the origin of the immune system alone (Bottaro, Inlay, and Matzke 2006). Of course neither he nor any committed proponent of Intelligent Design or creationism will find them satisfactory, but molecular precursors and genetic fossils of intermediate functions for many of the components said to constitute irreducibly complex machinery are being discovered at a rapid pace, demonstrating that these mechanisms are not in fact irreducibly complex as claimed. For a detailed treatment of functional molecular precursors to the bacterial flagellum, the flagship of irreducible complexity, see N. Matzke's "Evolution in (Brownian) space: a model for the origin of the bacterial flagellum" (Matzke 2003). For a succinct refutation of the argument from irreducible complexity, see Douglas Theobald's "The Mullerian Two-Step: Add a part, make it necessary" (Theobald 2007b). == Then I began considering examples of functionally intermediate organs and structures scattered throughout the present-day natural world. There are flying squirrels with flaps of skin between their limbs that allow them to glide from tree to tree. Not as elegant as bird wings, to be sure, but useful nonetheless when it comes to escaping predators. As soon as my curiosity was aroused, such intermediates came to my attention everywhere: "flying" snakes with flattened bodies to permit gliding; "flying" frogs with giant webbed feet; bacterial poison pumps whose parts correspond to those of the bacterial flagellum in other bacteria; and every imaginable form of vision from the light-sensitive spots of microbes, to the slightly cupped light detectors of starfish, to the black-and-white eyesight of most mammals, to the exquisite color vision of birds and primates. What good is half an eye? As the saying goes, "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king." It matters little that your vision is imperfect; if it is ever so slightly superior to that of your competitors, you have an advantage that, in a cutthroat environment, will make your genes more likely to become part of the wider gene pool, all else being equal. == Here are a few other questions that come to mind: Why, in keeping with the expectations of evolution, has there been a relentless struggle to survive, along with diseases, parasites, vines, thorns, poison, shells, predation, camouflage, and starvation, going back for eons? Why have so many species gone extinct, and why are the creatures that succeeded them in the fossil record similar to the ones they replaced? Why are certain animal groups (for example, marsupials) bound to particular geographical regions? Why do our genes show a seeming common history with those of the apes, including certain neutral or even harmful genes? Why can mutant chickens grow alligator-like teeth (Biello 2006)? Why do some whales and anteaters sprout teeth in the womb and lose them before birth? Why do certain fossil whales have hind legs (Sutera 2001)? Why do some modern-day humpback whale specimens sport external legs while most members of their same species do not (Theobald 2007a , part 1, sec. 4)? Why don't whales have gills? Why do dolphins have all the same arm and finger bones (for five fingers) as other mammals while sharks have only cartilage for the same function? Why do bats have what appear to be five long webbed fingers for their wings? Why can HIV adapt quickly to synthetic drugs? Why have certain microbes adapted to consume and metabolize artificial nylon by-products (Miller 2008, 80-83)? Why can mosquitoes come to resist pesticides? Why have carnivorous lizards released from one small island to another developed a special intestinal valve to facilitate digestion of plant material after only three decades (Herrel et al. 2008)?[35] == Creationists are continually being forced to change the goalposts concerning their predictions that certain transitional forms will never be found. No sooner is a new specimen unearthed (for example, morphological intermediates between land mammals and whales such as Ambulocetus, Rodhocetus, and Dorudon; or morphological intermediates between fish and tetrapods, like Tiktaalik roseae; or the Cambrian fossil Orthrozanclus, which bridges the "unbridgeable" gap between three top-level phyla: mollusks, annelids, and brachiopods) than creationists begin publishing explanations for why these are not or cannot be transitional forms after all. The elephant in the room, the question I never hear them address is, "Why, in the first place, should there exist fossils whose appearance as intermediates requires explaining away?" Again, whether or not such explanations are legitimate, it is clear that many of these fossils do manifest features to some degree intermediate in form between two groups for which creationists earlier predicted no intermediates would be found. It is irrelevant whether the intermediates precisely bisect the previous gap, whether the intermediates are of the expected size, and whether parts of the skeleton are incomplete. What matters for the credibility of the creation model is that there exist intermediate features that creationists had earlier predicted not to exist, and that these erroneous predictions require explaining away. This is not to deny that significant gaps do still exist, but it does not change the reality that many previously unknown, morphologically intermediate forms have been found since the time Darwin advanced his theory. Despite the oft-heard assertion that no true intermediate forms exist in the fossil record, young-earth creationist paleontologist Kurt Wise acknowledges both their existence and their importance: Of Darwinism's four stratomorphic intermediate expectations, that of the commonness of inter-specific stratomorphic intermediates has been the most disappointing for classical Darwinists. The current lack of any certain inter-specific stratomorphic intermediates has, of course, led to the development and increased acceptance of punctuated equilibrium theory. Evidences for Darwin's second expectation‹of stratomorphic intermediate species‹include such species as Baragwanathia (between rhyniophytes and lycopods), Pikaia (between echinoderms and chordates), Purgatorius (between the tree shrews and the primates), and Proconsul (between the nonhominoid primates and the hominoids). Darwin's third expectation‹of higher-taxon stratomorphic intermediates‹has been confirmed by such examples as the mammal-like reptile groups between the reptiles and the mammals, and the phenacdontids between the horses and their presumed ancestors. Darwin's fourth expectation‹of stratomorphic series‹has been confirmed by such examples as the early bird series, the tetrapod series, the whale series, the various mammal series of the Cenozoic (for example, the horse series, the camel series, the elephant series, the pig series, the titanothere series, etc.), the Cantius and Plesiadapus primate series, and the hominid series. Evidence for not just one but for all three of the species level and above types of stratomorphic intermediates expected by macroevolutionary theory is surely strong evidence for macroevolutionary theory. Creationists therefore need to accept this fact. It certainly CANNOT be said that traditional creation theory expected (predicted) any of these fossil finds (Wise 1995, 218-19; emphasis in original). == Another showstopper for evolution might have been for God to have made no animals at all, or at least to have left much larger gaps between species, both living and extinct. If dogs had been the closest animals to humans, for example, Darwin would never have been able to propose his theory. As it is, we share some 95% of our genome with chimpanzees and 99.4% of our known functional genes (Wildman et al. 2003). There exist a number of fossil skulls intermediate in size and form between apes and humans; creationist leaders disagree over which ones are apes and which are humans (Miller 2008, 95).[34] Like chimpanzees and other mammals, we have miniscule muscles that make our body hair stand on end when we're frightened or cold. For mammals with fur, this serves to make their body appear larger and intimidate predators or prey (cats not only stick out their fur but also arch their backs), or to enhance the insulation effect of the fur when cold. But for those of us with insignificant body hair, these functions are correspondingly insignificant and suggest the appearance of descent from mammals in which the function was significant. Again, the point is not whether an alternative explanation can be imagined for these phenomena, but why God did not act to prevent the appearance of our descent from furry mammals when it was in his power to do so. Additionally, God could have nipped the idea of evolution in the bud by arranging the fossil record in any of a virtually limitless number of possible ways other than the way in which it is in fact arranged, with only simple organisms in the deepest (oldest) strata and more complex ones appearing in higher (younger) strata. Ad-hoc creationist explanations for this ordering, such as the tendency of more advanced animals to seek higher ground during Noah's flood (and thus to be buried in higher strata than the simpler animals) (Morris 1974, 118-20), serve only to acknowledge but not solve the problem. This explanation is untenable because relatively advanced plants like grass and flowering plants (which cannot flee the oncoming flood) appear only in the higher strata. == In the ongoing debate between creationism and evolution, there is one crucial matter creationists seldom address. While responding point by point to the commonly presented forest of evidence for evolution, attempting to explain away and knock down one tree at a time, they rarely stop to ask the question, "Why would God allow so much apparent evidence for evolution to exist in the first place? Did he plant this evidence as a means of giving unbelievers a ready excuse for rejecting God? Is God deceitful, or is there in fact not even any apparent evidence for evolution?" If indeed evolution did not happen, there are countless ways God could have prevented it from even getting off the ground as a scientific theory. For instance, if he had created the universe without the appearance of great age, evolution simply would not have had the necessary time to do its work.[33] When astronomers witness a supernova explosion in a galaxy nine billion light years away, this suggests at least an appearance that the universe is old, since (apparently) it would take billions of years for the light from that event to reach earth. The point is not whether there might be some alternative explanation (for example, Humphrey's thoroughly discredited "Starlight and Time" hypothesis (Ross and Conner 1999)) to defend a young earth. The point is that this appearance of age does in fact exist, an appearance that God could have preempted in any number of ways‹for example, by making the visible universe smaller or the speed of light much greater. == Among the extensive body of genetic evidence for common descent, one straightforward argument is that all mammals, with the exception of guinea pigs, apes, and the monkeys that are most closely related to apes, are able to fabricate their own vitamin C. Guinea pigs and jungle-dwelling primates have a diet rich in vitamin C, so the loss of this capability would not have been harmful to them. Humans, too, as primates, lack this capability. That in itself would be food for thought, but even more startling is that we, along with certain monkeys (like macaques) and apes, possess an inactive gene corresponding to the gene for vitamin C production in other mammals. To top it off, the stop codons responsible for inactivating that gene are found in the same position on the same gene for both humans and other primates. This can be readily accounted for if humans and apes share a common ancestor, a primate that long ago lost its ability to generate its own vitamin C while obtaining its necessary supply from the readily available fruit on which it fed. From a creationist standpoint, however, there is no a priori reason to suppose that if certain monkeys have a broken gene for vitamin C production, then humans and apes should also carry such a broken gene, let alone that it should be broken in precisely the same location. == Particularly convincing about evolution for me was an article entitled Plagiarized Errors and Molecular Genetics (Max 1986-2003), which establishes common descent as firmly as any forensically solved crime. It is fairly technical but directly addresses those who rely on the oft-heard "similarity among species does not entail common ancestry but common design" defense. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/molgen == The Bible, Rocks and Time: Geological Evidence for the Age of the Earth by evangelical Calvin College professors Davis Young and Ralph Stearley (Young and Stearley 2008). == The other line of evidence for an old universe I explore here concerns the light from distant supernova explosions. I can understand that God might have wanted Adam to see starlight from distant stars the day he was created, so he might have created the universe in such a way that the light from stars thousands of light years away had already reached the earth at the beginning. It becomes more problematic to think of supernova explosions billions of light years away. If we assume that the speed of light has always remained more or less what it is today, then the light our telescopes capture when we witness one of these events has either been in transit for billions of years, in which case the universe really is old, or the light did not come from these actual supernovas but was divinely fabricated to seem as though it did. But if we allow for divine fabrication, then we have to ask whether this would be in some sense deceitful on God's part‹it means we think we're following the physical evidence, but God has deliberately made it so the evidence can't be followed, and then he blames us for following it. It is not only skeptics that find this problematic; YEC astronomer Danny Faulkner expresses the same concern: Most creationists have adopted the concept of a fully functioning universe as the best explanation for the light travel time problem. In the garden Adam would have been a particularly healthy male. If we could go back in a time machine and examine him we might have concluded that he was 20 to 30 years old. Of course we would have been wrong, because Adam was created only a few days before. In other words, creation implies some sort of apparent history. It is argued that in like fashion, for the stars to serve their intended purpose (for the marking of time and seasons) their light must have reached earth in time for Adam to see them two days later. Thus God must have created the light in transit. But did Adam bear the scars of past history, such as injuries that never happened? When the fossilized remains of large extinct and previously unknown creatures were unearthed over a century ago, some Christians responded that the fossils were created in the rocks and that the creatures never existed; they just appeared to have existed. Most people would reject this as absurd. Yet the creation of starlight in transit raises a similar philosophical point. In the spring of 1987 a superdeca was observed in a nearby galaxy called the Large Magellanic Cloud. Since that time the progress of the explosion and its aftermath have been carefully observed. We have been able to piece together many fine details of what happened. But if the notion of light created in transit is correct, then none of the observed events happened. How is this different from God creating fossils in the ground? (Faulkner 1998) == While the counting of the annual layers is not always straightforward and carries some assumptions about the regularity of cold versus warm seasonal weather patterns, these basic assumptions are independently confirmed by cross-comparison with major volcanic eruption events in history. For example, we know from historical records that Vesuvius blew its top in 79 CE, and all four of the core samples show a greatly increased level of sulphuric acid in that year and for other years with known major volcanic events (Vinther 2006, 54). The same correlation has been done by studying tree rings from very old trees that are still alive from the time of Vesuvius and by employing Carbon-14 and Beryllium-10 radiometric dating. The conclusion is that the possible margin of error for the ice core dating is 0.25% going back 4000 years, 0.5% going back 7000 years, 2% going back 10000 years, and 0.67% going back 12,000 years (the latter being based on radiometric cross-confirmations) (Vinther 2006, 43). These basic assumptions have also been borne out through analysis of Antarctic ice cores. == According to Bo Møllesøe Vinther's dissertation at the University of Copenhagen, scientists have extracted cores from at least 20 different locations in the vast Greenland ice sheet, up to 3 kilometers deep (Vinther 2006, 12). The focus of Vinther's dissertation is on the past 12,000 annual layers of a 120,000-year ice core record based on four key core samples from different regions in Greenland. = As St. Augustine of Hippo famously wrote more than a dozen centuries before the advent of modern geology: Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion (Augustine 408, sec 39, 42-43). == The facts that give science its power. Not surprisingly, those who want to puncture the reputation of science and drain off its immense prestige and influence tend to ignore the wide-angle perspective and concentrate on the clashes of schools and their not-so-hidden agendas. But ironically, when they set out to make their case for the prosecution (using all the finely polished tools of logic and statistics), all their good evidence of the failings and biases of science comes from science's own highly vigorous exercises in self-policing and self-correction. The critics have no choice: There is no better source of truth on any topic than well-conducted science, and they know it (Dennett 2006, 372). == Geoffrey Simmons What Darwin Didn't Know: A Doctor Dissects the Theory of Evolution, == Columbia Biblical Seminary (now Columbia International University), a conservative, missions-oriented school in Columbia, South Carolina. The seminary's policy is that graduates assent to the inerrancy of the Bible. == Christianity and the Age of the Earth (Young 1988), by Christian geologist and old earth creationist Davis Young, The Jan 2009 Scientific American is about evolution The Sept 2009 Scientific American is about origin of the universe and origin of life, among other matters == According to the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, "Creationism, intelligent design, and other claims of supernatural intervention in the origin of life or of species are not science because they are not testable by the methods of science." == "As a Christian man, yes, I do believe it is God as the divine power and as the intelligent designer of evolution," Dembski answered == The apparent age argument is that the universe and the Earth are just a few thousand years old but God deliberately made it look much older. In other words, those proposing the apparent age are not saying that we don't understand it. Instead they are saying that the universe was intentionally made to look different from what it is. One of the apparent age arguments is that God created "light in place". In other words when God created the universe 6000 years ago, He created a light beam coming from each distant star. That's why we can see things that are more than 6000 light years from Earth. So we accurately understand that those stars are more than 6000 years from Earth. But God created the light from that star. **IF** light was not created in place then things would look very different. Imagine that light only started to come towards Earth when a star is created. We would see many fewer stars. But what we would see are new stars appearing, here and there, in the night sky. At 6114 years after the creation, we would suddenly see a star that is 6114 light years from Earth. It would have taken that long for the light to get here from the moment that the star was created 6114 years ago. Once it first appeared here we would continue to see it until 6114 years after the star stopped shining. Seems reasonable, right? Is that deceptive? You could argue that it isn't, except for one thing. That light beam that was 'created in place" would have mythical events depicted in it. There are things called "supernovas" . Those are stellar explosions. They are so violent that an individual supernova can outshine the entire galaxy in which the star that is exploding exists. But because they are so violent that they don't last very long. At most they last a few months. But we can see supernovas on light from stars well over 6000 light-years from Earth. So **IF** God created "light in place" then He inserted images of imaginary events into that light beam. How is that not deceptive? == Research to develop models to understand the role of microbes before and after the Fall and speciation of animals after the Flood. == Søren Løvtrup, Darwinism: The Refutation of a Myth (New York: Croom Helm, 1987) == http://www.answersincreation.org/mortond.htm =-= Creationism was scientific in a way; it made predictions. Unfortunately, the predictions it made (young Earth, unrelated species, independent creations, unchanging species, etc.) were falsified. == _The Devil in Dover_ by Lauri Lebo Dover trial _Creationism's Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design_ by Barbara Forrest and Paul R. Gross. More specific to schools, see _Not in Our Classrooms: Why Intelligent Design is Wrong for our Schools_ ed. by Eugenie C. Scott and Glenn Branch. == You cannot reason somebody out of what they weren't reasoned into. Creationists base their view on faith not science. Faith cannot be defeated or staggered by a blow from science no matter how reasonable it is. Creationists lose their invincibility when they try to use science against scientists. It doesn't ever work. I think a great deal of the motive force behind ID is a unwarranted fear of science. These religious people feel that science makes very broad claims about reality and in great part these claims are contrary to their dearly held traditions. If the religious community doesn't stop taking every specific detail of the bible (dates, lengths of time, the rapture) so seriously, then they will only succeed in driving away every person of intelligence. It's also been a good long while since chemistry teachers taught alchemy, but I don't see all that many people whining about intellectual repression, the "cult of chemistry", etc. etc. There are people who believe lots of crazy things - there is in fact a society that proclaims the truth of the flat earth - but that doesn't mean we should be giving them equal, or even partial time in academic discussion. It's not censorship, it's merely following the principles of good science. There are unanswered questions about evolution, but scientists are constantly striving to solve such problems, and new discoveries are constantly being made. Intelligent design is not a scientific theory, and all the "problems" they've identified with the theory of evolution have been thoroughly addressed by scientists, using, once again, the principles of science and rationality and truth. The creationists, in spite of all that, continue to rant about how nobody can answer their questions, how horribly repressed they are, etc. Here's the thing - you can hold your views all you want. You can believe that evolution is a flawed theory and that intelligent design is a more probable answer. I don't think you're being completely rational, but everyone has some irrational aspects about them. However, when you try to say that such views should be allowed to be taught in schools, and that they should have a place in scientific institutions and the sort - well, I'm going to fight against that as much as I'm going to fight against someone trying to teach that the earth is flat or that the theory of gravity is false. No, it shouldn't even be taught as an option because there's absolutely nothing scientific about it. Intelligent Design is NOT a new theory brought forth by Michael Behe and his ilk. It is the result of the 1987 Supreme Court case Edwards v. Aguillard. In that case, the Supreme Court (rightly) decided that creationism could not be taught in public school science classes because science teachers would be advancing a religion by doing so, thus violating the Establishment Clause of the United States constitution. During the Kitzmiller et al v. Dover Area School District trial, the plantiffs representing the parents pointed out a piece of text in which the word "creationist" was partially whited out and "designist" was typed in. At the trial, Michael Behe admitted his "theory" was no more scientifically valid that astrology. == Even worse, they include a Global Flood where one family survived. Well, let's look at sexually transmitted diseases. Did they all evolve in the 5,000 years since the Great Flood? Or were Noah and his family infected with the ancestors of every SD around today? ID'er need to get over the fact that their idea is not Science, never has been Science, and never will be Science. The Scientific Method mandates that you test, re-test, and test again the various hypotheses - ID'ers can't. Their answer to every question is "God did it." How do you test that? And, if the you look at the history of Science, you will see a field of continuous change, as new information and insight is gained into the natural world, theories change to conform to the new information that is available. People who claim that Scientists have been wrong in the past - well yes, of course they were wrong (like the Sun revolving around the Earth and other outdated and discredited theories) because they didn't have access to the tools that would allow them to make the observations necessary to disprove the "mainstream" theory. Science constantly changes - ID'ers don't accept any change at all. "God Did It" is the one and only answer == http://www.expelledexposed.com/index.php/the-truth == Goodbye Darwin (Hardcover)~ Cherif El Ayouty (Author) == If something that is irreducibly complex must likely be designed by some kind of intelligent agent, then, logically, the intelligent agent should be of sufficient complexity to require a designer, correct? == In a recent poll, only 32 percent of the general public believed that humans and other living things evolved naturally. == http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution%20Hoax/evolution_the_big_hoax.htm == http://creation.com/origin-of-life-questions-and-answers == This is what happens when scientists are unwilling to take the time to teach the public instead of just claiming they are right. Until the scientists and scholars come out of their ivory towers and work with the people in a more public manner, science will take a back seat to religion. == According to the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, "Creationism, intelligent design, and other claims of supernatural intervention in the origin of life or of species are not science because they are not testable by the methods of science." "As a Christian man, yes, I do believe it is God as the divine power and as the intelligent designer of evolution," Dembski Answered == http://missinguniversemuseum.com/ creationist == http://debunkcreationscience.hostse.com/ == Secretary of the Interior, Alan Watts, said we have to log all the trees before Jesus comes again. == I describe a US education system that blunders so profoundly at teaching understanding of the real world, it even produces creationists as its most tragic example of failing its students: == http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html anti-evolution == Texas School Board Invites Critique of Scientific Theories In a final vote, the Texas Board of Education approved on Friday new language that requires science teachers to encourage students to ³critique² and examine ³all sides² of scientific theories. In adopting the new science standards, the board dropped a 20-year requirement that teachers address both the ³strengths and weaknesses² of scientific theories. The vote was 13-2. The new curriculum will be in place for the next decade. ³Texas now has the most progressive science standards on evolution in the entire nation,² said Dr. John West, Senior Fellow at Discovery Institute, an intelligent design think tank, in a statement. ³Texas has sent a clear message that evolution should be taught as a scientific theory open to critical scrutiny, not as a sacred dogma that can¹t be questioned.² Although critics of evolution praised the move, it wasn¹t a total victory for them. The Board rejected two amendments that were written by Chairman Don McLeroy. They required students to study the ³sufficiency or insufficiency² of common ancestry and natural selection of species, according to The Dallas Morning News. ³Science loses. Texas loses, and the kids lose because of this,² said a disappointed McLeroy, as reported by the Dallas publication. McLeroy believes many aspects of Charles Darwin¹s theory are not supported by fossil records. Pro-evolutionists were pleased with the decision to drop McLeroy¹s proposals. However, some questioned the board for adopting compromise language in the areas of fossil records and the complexity of the cell. New language also requires students to analyze and evaluate scientific explanations concerning those two areas. ³Through a series of contradictory and convoluted amendments, the board crafted a road map that creationists will use to pressure publishers into putting phony arguments attacking established science into textbooks,² said Kathy Miller, president of the watchdog group Texas Freedom Network, according to the Associated Press. The newly adopted standard states: ³In all fields of science, analyze, evaluate and critique scientific explanations by using empirical evidence, logical reasoning, and experimental and observational testing including examining all sides of scientific evidence of those scientific explanations so as to encourage critical thinking by the student.² Board member Barbara Cargill, however, said the new standards were ³more clear in the language and using words that aren¹t seen as code words² that helped convince the board to ³agree that this is how we¹ll teach all sides of scientific explanation, using scientific evidence,² as reported by AP. Discovery Institute¹s West also responded to the concerns by pro-evolutionists, assuring them that the new curriculum does not open the door to teaching religion. ³Contrary to the claims of the evolution lobby, absolutely nothing the Board did promotes Œcreationism¹ or religion in the classroom. Groups that assert otherwise are lying, plain and simple. Under the new standards, students will be expected to analyze and evaluate the scientific evidence for evolution, not religion. Period.² The new science curriculum standards will take effect with the 2010-2011 school year. Texas is one of the largest textbook purchasers in the nation and thus has significant influence nationwide as publishers adapt their material to its standards. == Complexity, especially extreme complexity, is evidence *against* design and for evolution. Evolution creates complexity; designers avoid it as much as they can. If you ask a creationism advoate to provide physical evidence that the designer exists, they tend to say one of two things: (a) the designer is supernatural and cannot possibly be proved with physical evidence, or (b) start with (a), and then pass off something like complexity as an argument for the existence of the creator. This is silly, because complexity of design doesn't say anything about the creator unless you can say *why* the designer *decided* to go with a complex design. == The creationists, as I see them, concentrate on saying that showing (to their satisfaction) that something is wrong with evolution, and never bother to show how creationism doesn't suffer from the same (supposed) fault. == Creationist exams comparable to international A-levels, says Naric ICCE teaches that Loch Ness monster disproves evolution and apartheid benefited South Africa Exams for which pupils are expected to believe that the Loch Ness monster disproves evolution have been deemed equivalent to international A-levels by a UK government agency. The National Recognition Information Centre (Naric) in Cheltenham, which advises universities and employers on the rigour of lesser-known qualifications, has ruled that the International Certificate of Christian Education (ICCE) is comparable to courses such as international A-levels, the Times Education Supplement has found. Teenagers studying for the certificate, which is taught in about 50 private Christian schools in the UK, spend half their time learning from evangelical US textbooks. The curriculum is based on the Accelerated Christian Education (ACE) programme, which describes its ideology as "Christian fundamentalist". Jonny Scaramanga, who was a pupil at a school in Bath that used the textbooks, has complained to Naric that the books tell pupils that the Loch Ness monster "appears to be a plesiosaur" and helps to disprove evolution. The textbooks also state that apartheid helped South Africa because segregated schools "made it possible for each group to maintain and pass on their culture and heritage to their children". One of the textbooks tells pupils: "Have you heard of the 'Loch Ness Monster' in Scotland? 'Nessie,' for short has been recorded on sonar from a small submarine, described by eyewitnesses, and photographed by others. Nessie appears to be a plesiosaur. "Could a fish have developed into a dinosaur? As astonishing as it may seem, many evolutionists theorize that fish evolved into amphibians and amphibians into reptiles. This gradual change from fish to reptiles has no scientific basis. No transitional fossils have been or ever will be discovered because God created each type of fish, amphibian, and reptile as separate, unique animals. Any similarities that exist among them are due to the fact that one Master Craftsmen fashioned them all." Naric, which is funded by the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills, has said the ICCE is equivalent to the advanced certificate of Cambridge International exam board's international A-levels. Tim Buttress, Naric's spokesman, told the TES its remit did not cover the curriculum's content. == Creationism's Trojan Horse by Forrest and Gross == http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/topic/arguments-we-dont-use == http://www.mathematicsofevolution.com/ == If your interpretation of somebody's old mythology doesn't fit reality, I'll go with reality. You don't *have to deny reality to be a theist, or even a Christian. I learned evolutionary science from a Christian. He said science was studying how God does things. You worship an image of God that you have carved from your imagination - more lifeless than iron, less mutable than stone. You are more attached to your ideas than you are to any gods that might be. == If you think the Creation and Garden of Eden story is literally true, then you might want to explain why all the physical evidence says otherwise. If God is a trickster, what makes you think stories attributed to him can be trusted? The war - the dialog of science versus anti-science - is about whether or not the universe is essentially an unknowable illusion, or whether we can actually learn about it by studying it using naturalistic methodology. == According to a recent Gallup poll taken on 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth, only 39% of Americans believe in evolution. == After Adam and Eve sinned, God turned T-Rex into a carnivorous hunter, so it could chase Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden for good. == Creationists claim that the Bible is perfect but science is so imperfect it can't be trusted. == EVERY designer we have ever seen has: 1. had a material brain 2. operated in accord with natural law == One can test the mechanism of evolution, and observe that populations do change over time. What tests do you have for the action of a supernatural being? == Creationists defy what every day experience tells a normal person: the universe is orderly. that's another reason creationism has failed for thousands of years to explain anything == The creationist model merely posits an unobserved entity and, because the entity is unobserved, is free also to posit any conceivable set of characteristics for that entity, including the ability and desire to do whatever we see. === Creationists David K. DeWolf, Stephen C. Meyer, and Mark E. DeForrest (1999) Intelligent Design in Public School Science Curriculum: A Legal Guidebook. Foundation for Thought and Ethics. ISBN 0-9642104-1-X Michael J. Behe, William A. Dembski and Stephen C. Meyer (2000) Science and Evidence of Design in the Universe. Ignatius Press ISBN 0-89870-809-5 John Angus Campbell and Stephen C. Meyer (2003) Darwinism, Design, and Public Education, Michigan State University Press. ISBN 0-87013-675-5 Scientific paper * Stephen C. Meyer (2004) The origin of biological information and the higher taxonomic categories. Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington 117(2):213-239. online version This paper was withdrawn by the publisher because the editor, fellow intelligent design proponent Richard Sternberg, went outside the usual review procedures in allowing Meyer's article to be published in his last issue as editor == The intellectually vacuous untestable claim of supernatural design can uselessly explain anything and its opposite simultaneously. You see design; but have no evidence of the when, where, why, who, what or how of design issues. These are the sources of the critical scientific evidence that will demonstrate design. It is for human design. Pattern in nature is well established and humans who create it are not Gods. === Creationism has, for 2000 years, failed to explain a single feature of nature. == Terrence Jeffrey book Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design. == That is terrifying because creationist politicians make decisions with long-term consequences based upon her abominable ignorance and superstition. It is like giving a loaded hand gun to a child and having that threat hang around for decades, or even centuries. == World's Oldest Living Tree -- 9550 years old -- Discovered In Sweden ScienceDaily (Apr. 16, 2008) The world's oldest recorded tree is a 9,550 year old spruce in the Dalarna province of Sweden. The spruce tree has shown to be a tenacious survivor that has endured by growing between erect trees and smaller bushes in pace with the dramatic climate changes over time. Œ[ For many years the spruce tree has been regarded as a relative newcomer in the Swedish mountain region. "Our results have shown the complete opposite, that the spruce is one of the oldest known trees in the mountain range," says Leif Kullman, Professor of Physical Geography at Ume University. A fascinating discovery was made under the crown of a spruce in Fulu Mountain in Dalarna. Scientists found four "generations" of spruce remains in the form of cones and wood produced from the highest grounds. The discovery showed trees of 375, 5,660, 9,000 and 9,550 years old and everything displayed clear signs that they have the same genetic makeup as the trees above them. Since spruce trees can multiply with root penetrating braches, they can produce exact copies, or clones. The tree now growing above the finding place and the wood pieces dating 9,550 years have the same genetic material. The actual has been tested by carbon-14 dating at a laboratory in Miami, Florida, USA. Previously, pine trees in North America have been cited as the oldest at 4,000 to 5,000 years old. In the Swedish mountains, from Lapland in the North to Dalarna in the South, scientists have found a cluster of around 20 spruces that are over 8,000 years old. Although summers have been colder over the past 10,000 years, these trees have survived harsh weather conditions due to their ability to push out another trunk as the other one died. "The average increase in temperature during the summers over the past hundred years has risen one degree in the mountain areas," explains Leif Kullman. Therefore, we can now see that these spruces have begun to straighten themselves out. There is also evidence that spruces are the species that can best give us insight about climate change. The ability of spruces to survive harsh conditions also presents other questions for researchers. Have the spruces actually migrated here during the Ice Age as seeds from the east 1,000 kilometres over the inland ice that that then covered Scandinavia? Do they really originate from the east, as taught in schools? "My research indicates that spruces have spent winters in places west or southwest of Norway where the climate was not as harsh in order to later quickly spread northerly along the ice-free coastal strip," says Leif Kullman. "In some way they have also successfully found their way to the Swedish mountains." The study has been carried out in cooperation with the County Administrative Boards in Jmtland and Dalarna. == What's with the personal attacks on Darwin? The usual and most plausible explanation is that creationists [a] regard scientific theories that contradict their religious dogmas as, themselves, alternate religious dogmas (I've seen this explicitly asserted), and [b] regard religious dogmas as resting on the personal authority, integrity, and holiness of those who propound them. The whole question of evidence for evolutionary theory, or even what evolutionary theory actually says or what would count as evidence for it, is not so important to its opponents. Note that recently there has been an increasing tendency to speak of Darwinism. There are various reasons for this (to imply that evolutionary theory is just another 19th-century enthusiasm, like Marxism or Freudianism, or to obscure just what you are condemning in order to appeal to different sorts of creationists), but part of the reason is to imply that evolutionary theory is limited to, and inclusive of, everything Darwin ever said or thought, as opposed to, say, actual facts about nature some of which Darwin uncovered. Fewer creationists oppose relativity than oppose common descent or natural mechanisms for adaption and diversity. Even fewer, I think, oppose calculus or even heliocentrism (although note that geocentrist creationist Gerardus Bouw says terrible things about the character and actions of Kepler). They try the same with Darwin. If people think he was a bad person, no one will follow him and especially evolution anymore, they think. The obvious mistake they make of course is that science does not work that way . In science the ideas of Darwin have a life of their own and these ideas are credited by a completely different system, based on evidence not politics or emotions. Evolution however has been established by so much research and the idea is around (almost) the entire scientific community that I would not give this strategy a change within the scientific community in case of evolution. But scientists are not the only people out there who could be influenced by this. There are also politicians, managers and of course common people. These have only a little knowledge of evolution (at best) and how science works. A lot of them grew up with trust in authority (church/state). A lot of them might be much more sensitive to this Darwin is not to be trusted-strategy. == In Texas this week, Michael Behe seemed to have recovered from his testimony in Dover PA in 2005 in time to serve as an expert witness in 2006 on behalf of the Association of Christian Schools International when it sued the University of California system alleging that the rejection of several Christian science courses was 'viewpoint discrimination' which violated the constitutional rights of applicants from Christian schools whose high school coursework is deemed inadequate preparation for college. The Association retained leading intelligent design proponent Michael Behe to testify in the case as an expert witness. Behe's expert witness report claimed that the Christian textbooks were excellent works for high school students and he defended that view in a deposition. On March 28, 2008 the defendants won a legal victory when their motion for partial summary judgment was granted, and the plaintiffs' motion for summary judgment was denied. On August 8, 2008, Judge Otero entered summary judgment against plaintiff ACSI. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=242431442 === Texas vote leaves loopholes for teaching creationism It was a mixed bag of victory and defeat for science on Friday when the Texas Board of Education voted on their state science standards. In a move that pleased the scientific community, the board voted to not include proposed changes that would call for the teaching of the "strengths and weaknesses" of scientific theories ­ code words for allowing creationist views into the classroom. However, additional amendments that were voted through provide loopholes for creationist teaching. "It's as if they slammed the door shut with strengths and weaknesses, then ran around the house opening windows to let it in a bunch of other ways," says Dan Quinn, who was on site at the hearings. Quinn is communications director of the Texas Freedom Network, a community watchdog organisation. One amendment calls for students to "analyze and evaluate scientific explanations concerning the complexity of the cell," phrasing that rings of intelligent design arguments. Another amendment requires students to "analyze and evaluate scientific explanations concerning any data on sudden appearance and stasis and the sequential groups in the fossil record." These issues are commonly held up by creationists as arguments against evolution, even though the scientific community disagrees. Anti-evolutionist Don McLeroy, a dentist and chair of the Texas State Board of Education, testified at Friday's hearing: "I disagree with these experts. Someone has got to stand up to experts." Age of the universe An amendment to the environmental sciences standards requires students to "analyze and evaluate different views on the existence of global warming", despite overwhelming consensus within the scientific community that global warming exists. An amendment to the Earth and space sciences curriculum requires the teaching of different theories of the origin, age and history of the universe. The board voted to remove from the standards the statement that the universe is roughly 14 billion years old. "The goal here was to make science more tentative and vague so that teachers have room to tell students, 'This is only one explanation and the scientists are not even sure about it themselves' ­ which is, of course, utter nonsense," says Quinn. School textbooks are required to comply with a state's science standards, so all changes to the science standards translate into changes to textbooks. In two years, the board will meet to review the state's textbooks, so creationists have been eager to slip in changes to the standards ahead of time. Influential state Texas is one of the largest purchasers of textbooks in the US, a market publishers can't afford to lose. So they will likely have to water down the science in their books and add in creationist pseudo-science to appease the school board. "If the publishers don't come back with arguments against natural selection and common descent, the board is going to vote to reject those textbooks," Quinn says. What's more, while the "strengths and weaknesses" language was rather vague, the new amendments provide publishers with a very specific roadmap for what they have to include in their textbooks. "It will be much harder for publishers to fudge," says Quinn. Creating a Texas-only edition of a biology textbook would be expensive, which means other states would probably end up having to use the same scientifically inaccurate textbooks. "Many publishers are in dire economic straits these days, so the added expense of making a special edition for one state is not something they would be eager to take on," says Steven Newton of the National Center for Science Education. "I think it's likely this would affect other states." "We're going to be watching and we will make sure that if the textbooks include junk science, that people know about it," Quinn says. "If other states reject these books, publishers might stop publishing for Texas because it's so expensive." Discovery ties If that happens, other publishers more friendly to intelligent design (ID) might fill the breach. The Discovery Institute, the Seattle-based headquarters of the ID movement, for example, has already published its own biology textbook entitled Explore Evolution: The arguments for and against Neo-Darwinism. The book does not explicitly mention ID, but presents its standard arguments, arguments that are precisely in line with those adopted in the new standards. That may be no coincidence: one of the co-authors of the book, Ralph Seelke, was chosen by McLeroy to serve as an expert curriculum reviewer for the Texas board. So too was Stephen Meyer, director of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture. The Discovery Institute's Casey Luskin also testified at the board meeting, saying, "We urge you to make students aware of these scientific debates." "The Discovery Institute is in this up to their eyeballs," says Barbara Forrest, a philosophy professor at Southeastern Louisiana University and an expert on the history of creationism. "They are heavily invested in what happens in Texas." In fact, McLeroy has been working with Discovery Institute fellow Walter Bradley, a Texan, since at least 2003 to promote changes to the biology textbooks. == " Intelligent design (ID) is a dressing up of the old "argument from design," with technical jargon added to lend a thin veneer of scientific credibility. ID advocates' opportunistic tactics, which have more in common with politicians than scientists, have been described as the "wedge" strategy - an attempt to gain academic acceptance by maintaining a presence in academic and scientific venues. == Creation Museum PETERSBURG, Ky. Tamaki Sato was confused by the dinosaur exhibit. The placards described the various dinosaurs as originating from different geological periods the stegosaurus from the Upper Jurassic, the heterodontosaurus from the Lower Jurassic, the velociraptor from the Upper Cretaceous yet in each case, the date of demise was the same: around 2348 B.C. == Creationist motto "If science is wrong in any little thing, then it must be wrong about everything". == Science theorizes and tries to understand the world. that's why 'maybe' pops up so often. it is the way people ask questions about nature. they say 'maybe', then they see if the mechanism we have developed...natural selection...can explain what we see in nature. creationism can't do this. faced with the fact of change recorded in the fossil record and embedded in our very own genetic structure, creationists can do little but handwave and try to resolve their contradictions. The relationships between organisms was described by a creationist...Linnaeus, long before Darwin. === The creationists are going to gun after a 150 year old book, and ignore everything since? == http://ncseweb.org/creationism/legal/intelligent-design-trial-kitzmiller-v-dover == http://pewforum.org/events/?EventID=217. Darwin, of course, has been demonized in many places. I think one of the mistakes maybe weve made is to use the term Darwinism to describe a fundamental discovery about biology without which you cant really understand anything in biology at this point. You wouldnt call relativity Einsteinism. Darwinism sort of makes it sound like it might be a cult, a personality cult, and probably that hasnt helped in this long history of misunderstanding. So lets just call it evolution. Now you might say, looking at this tree, that that doesnt prove anything about descent from a common ancestor. If you believe that Genesis says that all of these organisms were created as individual acts of special creation, wouldnt it have made sense for God to use some of the same DNA motifs, modifying them along the way? And wouldnt it therefore seem to show you that DNA is more similar between creatures that look more like each other, so this doesnt prove anything. And that is actually a defensible point if all you have is this kind of information. But when you start looking at the details, that argument really cant be sustained anymore. I could give you many examples, but Ill just give you one because of the time. Here is one that I think really cannot be easily understood without the common ancestor hypothesis being correct and with it involving humans. If you look across the genome of ourselves and other species, you find genes in a particular order with space in between them. Heres a place, for example, in the human and the cow and the mouse genome where you have the same three genes. Theyre lined up in the same order, which also is consistent with a common ancestor, although it doesnt prove it. But I picked these three for a particular reason. These genes have funny names so what do they actually do? Im not going to bother you about two of them, but GULO is an interesting gene. It codes for an enzyme called gulonolactone oxidase. So what the heck does that do? That is the enzyme that catalyzes the final step in the synthesis of vitamin C, ascorbic acid. You probably know that vitamin C is something thats a vitamin because we need it. We cant make it ourselves, and the reason for that is that our GULO gene has sustained a knockout blow About half the gene has been deleted, and theres a little remnant left behind that you can see. The tail end of it is still evidence that GULO used to be there, but its not in any of us. In fact, its not there in any primate. So somewhere higher up in that lineage this happened in a single individual, and that happened to be spread throughout all of the following organisms, primates and humans. Thats why we humans get scurvy if we dont have access to vitamin C. Apparently in most of human history and primate history, there was plenty of vitamin C in the environment, so there was no great loss sustained here until we went to sea for long periods of time. Cows and mice dont need vitamin C; they make their own. They have a GULO gene that works. Now looking at that, of course, that immediately suggests common ancestry for all three of these species not only suggests it, but, it seems to me, demands it because if youre going to try to argue that the human genome was somehow special, that God created us in a different way than these other organisms, you would also have to postulate that God intentionally put a defective gene in exactly the place where a common ancestry would say it should be. And that was done why? To test our faith? Does that sound like the action of a God of all truth? It doesnt seem like it. I could give other examples. But it is once you look at the details I think inescapable for somebody with an open mind to conclude that descent from a common ancestor is true and were part of it. Despite that, we have issues, especially here in the U.S., about what people believe about this question. You all probably have seen the Gallup Poll that gets asked every year and we could debate whether the questions are asked in a way that elucidates what people really think. But given the choice among three options, what do people say? That first option, that God guided a process that happened over millions of years 38 percent; the second option, that God had no part, that being a deist or an atheist perspective 13 percent. But the largest number 45 percent, almost half choose the third option, that God created human beings in their present form in the last 10,000 years. You cant arrive at that conclusion without throwing out pretty much all of the evidence from cosmology, geology, paleontology, biology, physics, chemistry, genomics and the fossil record. Yet that is the conclusion that many Americans prefer. The history for that is really interesting. If you have time, read Ron Numbers book called The Creationists, which goes through how it is that over the last 150 years this has become the accepted position for many evangelical Christians, who are taught if thats not your view, then youre probably in danger of a slippery slope that will cause you ultimately to lose your faith. When I spoke in Nashville at a gathering of youth group leaders and youth pastors from mostly evangelical churches last fall, I conducted the same poll of about 7,000 people gathered in the arena. In that instance 90 percent chose the last option. Maybe they raised their hands because they were worried about who was watching them and they felt like that was supposed to be the answer. Maybe in their minds they were thinking, yeah, I dont really know. But we are in a funny spot here in that this has become so widely embraced. There are a lot of forces that are trying to encourage that view. If youve been to the Creation Museum I havent, but I gather some of you have it will show you this perspective of humans and dinosaurs frolicking together in a way thats consistent in Ken Hams view with the 6,000-year-old Earth. Again, many children going to see this are probably walking away thinking, yeah, that makes sense. I get e-mails practically every week from people who were raised in this tradition and perhaps have been to the Creation Museum many of them home schooled or schooled in a Christian high school where young Earth creationism is the only view that theyre exposed to. Then they get to university and they see the actual data that supports the age of the Earth as 4.5, 5 billion years old, and they see the data that supports evolution as being correct, and they go into an intense personal crisis because they figure that if what they were told about origins from the pulpit and in Sunday school and from their parents and from their Christian high school is wrong, then why should they believe the rest of it? Yet these are often people whose faith is a deep and important part of who they are. Weve set those folks up for a terrible struggle by what were doing right now in this country. Francis Collins == Now it is all explained The source of water for the flood was most certainly a series of worm holes, probably multiple ones strategically placed throughout oceans and large bodies of water. There are further advantages to this understanding. We can now return to the notion of a laminar flood theory although with a workable source for the required water. Again we can invoke fresh water floating over the heavier brine yielding minimal disruption of the oceans. The waters rose gradually providing minimal erosion. The turbulence of the erupting water would have produced significant evaporation providing the water witnessed as rain for 40 days and 40 nights. After the flood, we also need to do something to clear out the water. On this, there is less evidence to go by other than the mentioned wind. This can suggest again multiple worm holes, perhaps as both exits for water rich atmospheres and dry air as replinishments. Certainly worm holes that functioned both as significant air inputs and air exits would create a great deal of wind as the witnesses have told us. == Dover case They did a find and replace for "creationism" and "god" and replaced it with "intelligent design" and "an intelligent designer" and called it a totally different theory Judge Jones wrote. The inescapable truth is that both [Alan] Bonsell and [William] Buckingham lied at their January 3, 2005 depositions. Bonsell repeatedly failed to testify in a truthful manner. Defendants have unceasingly attempted in vain to distance themselves from their own actions and statements, which culminated in repetitious, untruthful testimony. Quoting the judge It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy. The darling book of the Discovery Institute in which the founder states that ID'er is the God of the bible == Denis Alexander,"Creation or Evolution:Do we have to choose." == If you take Genesis as literal, then you have to take it in context with Genesis 1:14-18 which has the sun, moon and stars in the expanse, which would put them below the waters that are above the expanse. == WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE NEW TEXAS STANDARDS Writing in The Earth Scientist, the journal of the National Earth Science Teachers Association, NCSE's Steven Newton explains in detail what's wrong with the new state science standards adopted in Texas in March 2009, focusing on the Earth and Space Science standards in particular. At the behest of the creationist faction on the state board of education, references to the specific age of the universe, common descent, and evolution were removed, and language that misleadingly suggests that established scientific results are in doubt was introduced. Newton concludes, "Although the original ESS standards were based on strong science and outlined an excellent course in earth sciences, a number of creationist and anti-science amendments have weakened the ESS standards and disrespected the hard work and expertise of the writing team. The standards are finalized and in place, bad amendments and all. The struggle for science education in Texas now shifts to the adoption of textbooks in 2011, when these deeply-flawed amendments may be used to force a creationist agenda into Texas science classrooms." == I realized early on that it is detailed scientific knowledge which makes certain religious beliefs untenable. A knowledge of the true age of the earth and of the fossil record makes it impossible for any balanced intellect to believe in the literal truth of every part of the Bible in the way that fundamentalists do. And if some of the Bible is manifestly wrong, why should any of the rest of it be accepted automatically? . . . What could be more foolish than to base one's entire view of life on ideas that, however plausible at the time, now appear to be quite erroneous? And what would be more important than to find our true place in the universe by removing one by one these unfortunate vestiges of earlier beliefs?? Francis Crick, What Mad Pursuit: A Personal View of Scientific Discovery, 1988 == Exodus 20:11 - for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it. == In 1982, the Southern Baptist Convention issued a resolution rejecting the theory of evolution and stating that creation science "can be presented solely in terms of scientific evidence without any religious doctrines or concepts." Some Southern Baptist leaders have spoken out in favor of the intelligent design movement. In 1969, the Presbyterian Church's governing body amended its previous position on evolution, which was originally drafted in the 19th century, to affirm that evolution and the Bible do not contradict each other. Still, the church has stated that it "should carefully refrain from either affirming or denying the theory of evolution," and church doctrine continues to hold that man is a unique creation by God. == What scientific journals are proponents of intelligent design trying to publish in? And what exactly would they publish that is appropriate for a scientific journal, anyway? The material I have heard doesn't seem appropriate for a biology journal, because it has nothing to do with biology. Nor does seem appropriate for an evolutionary journal, because it has nothing to do with evolution. == Texas A major concern of the senators voting against McLeroy's confirmation was his attempts to undermine the treatment of evolution in the state science standards. Eliot Shapleigh (D-District 29), for example, questioned his endorsement of a book that describes parents who want their kids to learn about evolution as "monsters," scientists as "atheists," and clergy who see no conflict between science and faith as "morons." McLeroy is, notoriously, a creationist himself, as the Austin American-Statesman (March 8, 2009) described in detail. http://us.mc806.mail.yahoo.com/ == "And God saw that the dinosaurs of the earth could never know His glory. "And it repented the LORD that he had made dinosaurs on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. "And the LORD said, I will destroy dinosaurs whom I have created from the face of the earth; both carnivorous, and herbivorous; and the winged reptiles of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them." -- The Holy Bible, Revised Scientific Version, 2109 C.E. == Geocentrist creationist Gerardus Bouw says terrible things about the character and actions of Kepler). == Philip Johnson have even admitted that they never had the intelligent design science to teach to school kids that they claimed to have. == Up to the 16th and part of the 17th century the popular explanation for the motion of planets was that angels were pushing them. This was questioned by scientists and finally dismissed by Newton's Theory of One of the main reason the Church opposition to the heliocentric models was the claim that these models were too much mechanicistic, that they made God unnecessary and therefore they would have lead to atheism and hence social collapse == http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/sizeark.html == Intellectual results of creationism So too the promise of God is with the rainbow. Which rainbow> The first one? All rainbows? rainbows with rain? Or rainbows without rain? You miss the science and do not see. It promises that the sphere of water is no longer there to rain 40 days. It does not say never again can this sphere of water cover all mountains again, because that 40 feet of water didnt cover all mountains as an ocean (the ocean covered the mountains, not the 40 feet of water canopy). Yet this is redundant because a rain and flow of rain as water over all the Earth is indeed cpovering the whole Earth by 40 feet as it flows off the mountains. The reson the prediction is of fire is because all religions say the stars will fall from the sky. And that is because they did that in the Flood. But the fire of that asteroid impact which broke up into millions of stars falling down on the earth, was a fire that was put out by that rain and by that ocean. It is assumed there will be no flood again because of the water canopy being gone (as proven by rainbow from direct light beams). But the rain isnt what covered the mountains. The land plates collapsed 2 miles down into ocean for 5 months (everytime 12 hours that the moon came around with low tide the land plates collapsed from melted mantle below dropping another 40 feet, 80 feet per day for 150 days). That totals over 2 miles. Then the plates rose the next 7 months until Ararat which was once 2 miles high was now 3 miles high. And where that air was once double pressure at sea level, and single 14.5 pounds psi pressure at mountain peaks, it was now current pressure without water on top of it so that as the continents rose the air got thin and they had to leave the ark. And winter set in because it was December 1 (Gregorian Nov 11). This is why when we get hit by an asteroid and you see the fire, you will not listen is the prediction and you will drown 7 days later while those saved have gone to the mountains. I have no trouble with every telemarketer taking this advice, every collection agent listening to me, and phone call i get for any purpose hears me out and says amen. Why is it you people do not have their same heart? == Why *did your god hide his global flood with multiple miracles, which were, in turn, hidden by others? What's the point? == Just as gravity works and can be verified today without any references to Newton, evolution works and can be verified true today without any references to Darwin. As relativity is an established fact, and we need no reference to Einstein to observe and prove that fact. == A literal interpretation of Genesis. Orthodox Christians since at least Augustine have understood that Genesis is not factual. Jews since at least Philo have understood the same. == The notion that a certain intelligent, purpose-driven person explains the existence of intelligent, purpose-driven people, doesn't actually explain anything. == Science has learned more about the universe in 100 years than supernaturalists did in 2000 == "The head of a tapeworm has four suckers and two rings of hooks. The body of a Tapeworms is in segments (pieces that are like each other). Each segment can produce eggs . Little segments of the tapeworm sometimes break off and pass out through the stool of the host, with the eggs. Little segments of its body fall off. They go out of the host body and when they get into another host that segment becomes a tape worm." Clearly the tapeworm was designed by an Intelligent Designer, for there is no way that it could have just "evolved" those suckers and hooks, because the design is TOO COMPLEX to have just arisen "by chance". There is NO WAY that each segment could produce eggs and then fall off just BY CHANCE! Only a loving God could have designed the tapeworm in such a way to maximize its chances for success in this world! == Milton, Richard Shattering the Myths of Darwinism. Park Street Press, Rochester, VT (1997) == Fundie motto Science does not know everything for certain, therefore it knows nothing at all? == The problem here is not that people choose to disagree with science because of their religious beliefs. The problem is that it is simply wrong to distort and misrepresent the scientific facts as motivated by religious belief, and then falsely claim that these religion-motivated attacks on science are "scientific". They are not scientific - intelligent design advocates are not actually doing any professional science research that supports that their views (including their anti-evolution views) are actually scientific - and, well, it is just wrong to tell kids in public school science classes that something is when it just isn't. This is a clear-cut case of doing the right thing by our kids in public schools and teaching what really is science in science classes, while deliberately telling religious ideologues who are attacking evolutionary science as motivated by their particular religious beliefs to take a hike and stop trying to mislead children (and the Kitzmiller case in Pennsylvania in 2005 backs all of this up). Notice that intelligent design advocates can't get their nonsense against science past professional scientists - so instead they play games trying to fool people who are less familiar with the actual science in order to fill children's minds with false ideas about science. These kinds of tactics seem to me to be obviously wrong and dishonest. == "DON'T MESS WITH TEXTBOOKS" Writing in Seed, NCSE's Joshua Rosenau explains what the new Texas state science standards mean for science education nationwide. Rosenau, who attended (and blogged from) both the January and the March meetings of the Texas state board of education, writes, "Despite our efforts, after a total of 24 hours of testimony in three separate hearings, pro-evolution moderates brokered a compromise with the board's seven creationists. Heeding McLeroy's cry that 'someone's got to stand up to experts!,' the board approved standards that promote creationism's mantra of 'sudden appearance' of new species, echo creationist beliefs that the complexity of the cell cannot be scientifically explained, and mandate that students study 'different views on the existence of global warming.'" In the wake of the adoption of the flawed standards in Texas, Rosenau explains, "Textbook publishers are already preparing for hearings in 2011, which will judge whether rewritten textbooks fit the new standards. Textbook author and biologist [and NCSE Supporter] Ken Miller and publisher Rene LeBel both say they'll abide by the letter, but not the spirit, of the standards; for instance, by fulfilling the requirement to cover 'all sides of scientific evidence' without including creationist pseudoscience. Miller, a vocal defender of evolution education, insists that 'biology textbook authors will all stand together on evolution,' refusing to include creationist attacks or to drop good science." But it isn't only the authors and publishers of textbooks that are preparing to defend the integrity of science education, and it isn't only in Texas -- as Rosenau relates, "The NCSE recently worked with a family and local professors to give a student in Washington the courage to denounce his teacher's creationist lectures. He won not only the school's support but also a college scholarship from the ACLU." The lesson to be learned from the experience of those fighting for the integrity of science education, whether in Texas, Washington, or wherever it is under assault, Rosenau concludes: "It doesn't take an expert to stand up for science. Whether the battle is large or small, success depends on these types of broad coalitions." For Rosenau's article in Seed, visit: http://seedmagazine .com/content/ article/dont_ mess_with_ textbooks/ ALABAMA ANTIEVOLUTION BILL DIES When the Alabama legislative session ended on May 15, 2009, House Bill 300, the so-called Academic Freedom Act, died in committee. If enacted, HB 300 would have purportedly protected "the right of teachers identified by the United States Supreme Court in Edwards v. Aguillard to present scientific critiques of prevailing scientific theories" and "the right of students to hold a position on views [sic]." Previous similar antievolution bills in Alabama -- HB 923 in 2008; HB 106 and SB 45 in 2006; HB 352, SB 240, and HB 716 in 2005; HB 391 and SB 336 in 2004 -- failed to win passage. In 2004, a cosponsor of SB 336 told the Montgomery Advertiser (February 18, 2004), "This bill will level the playing field because it allows a teacher to bring forward the biblical creation story of humankind." For NCSE's previous coverage of events in Alabama, visit: http://ncseweb. org/news/ alabama ANTIEVOLUTION BILL DEAD IN MISSOURI When the Missouri legislative session ended on May 15, 2009, House Bill 656 died, without ever having been assigned to a committee. If enacted, HB 656 would have required state and local education administrators to permit teachers to "to help students understand, analyze, critique, and review in an objective manner the scientific strengths and scientific weaknesses of theories of biological and chemical evolution." Otherwise a typical instance of the current spate of antievolution "academic freedom" bills, HB 656 was interestingly expansive about what it was not intended to do: "this section shall not be construed to promote philosophical naturalism or biblical theology, promote natural cause or intelligent cause, promote undirected change or purposeful design, promote atheistic or theistic belief, promote discrimination for or against a particular set of religious beliefs or ideas, or promote discrimination for or against religion or nonreligion. Scientific information includes physical evidence and logical inferences based upon evidence." The chief sponsor of HB 656 was Robert Wayne Cooper (R-District 155), joined by Mike Sutherland (R-District 99), Ed Emery (R-District 126), Therese Sander (R-District 22), Brian Nieves (R-District 98), and Stanley Cox (R-District 118). Cooper was the sponsor of numerous failed antievolution bills in the past. In 2008, he introduced the similar HB 2554. In 2006, he introduced HB 1266, which if enacted would have required that "If a theory or hypothesis of biological origins is taught, a critical analysis of such theory or hypothesis shall be taught in a substantive amount." In 2004, he introduced two bills, HB 911 and HB 1722, that called for equal time for "intelligent design" in Missouri's public schools. HB 911 moreover contained idiosyncratic definitions of various scientific and philosophical terms as well as the draconian provision, "Willful neglect of any elementary or secondary school superintendent, principal, or teacher to observe and carry out the requirements of this section shall be cause for termination of his or her contract." For NCSE's previous coverage of events in Missouri, visit: http://ncseweb. org/news/ missouri == Glenn Morton is a a recovering creationist, formerly associated with ICR. He learned geology and realized that everything he'd learned as a fundie was wrong. His story is at http://home.entouch.net/dmd/gstory.htm == The ICR: Failing to prepare people for reality since 1970. == Teach the controversy Let them have their "debate". "Here we are kids, first let me show you the evidence for the origin of species through natural selection. You will notice that there is peer reviewed evidence amounting to ... well to be honest, too much to read in a life time. But it can be shown that it has a testable hypothesis, known as the Theory of Evolution. It has laws such as the laws of Genetics, Inheritance and several others. And it has been observed and tested. Now let us review the evidence for 'Creationism'... . OK one has to admit there isn't any. No testable hypothesis. No, none at all. No peer reviewed evidence. Nothing! Zilch. Along with no theory, no laws and no observed tests. All it has is some vague ideas from a two thousand year old book of known inconsistency, inaccuracy and dubious moral value." Will that do? == When Falwell first announced that Stein would be delivering this years Commencement address, he said: His work in exposing how fraudulent science is being used in this country to destroy freedom and advance tyrannical social and political agendas deserves our attention and respect. == Creationists are not after scientific support; they want emotional support. They have a great deal of conviction in their beliefs, but no genuine faith. They believe in a god which would cease to exist if a piece of bone really is >50,000 years old, or if civilization passed through the time of the Deluge unscathed, or if the Pentateuch had more than one author, or if any number of other details don't match what they have been taught. And without that god, their life is worthless. == Bishop James Ussher [1581-1656], Anglican Archbishop of Armagh, Primate of All Ireland, is Renia's cousin. He was a staunch, stalwart Calvinist and calculated that the Creation began at nightfall preceding Sunday, 23 October 4004 B.C. He was given a state funeral and buried in the chapel of Saint Erasmus in Westminster Abbey on the orders of Oliver Cromwell.