mm-1047 === Subject: Re: Comma category > and while were at it we might as well cast this in the > language of weighted limits: take V = Cat (where V-categories > are now *2-categories*), let J be the category (-) -> (0) <- (+) > (considered as a 2-category by viewing the hom-sets as discrete > categories), and let F: J --> V be the functor (or 2-functor) > into Cat which sends (+) and (-) to the terminal category 1, > (0) to the category 2 = (0 -> 1), the arrow (-) -> (0) to the > inclusion i_0: 1 --> 2 valued at 0, and the arrow (+) -> (0) > to the inclusion i_1: 1 --> 2 valued at 1. > Then given a 2-category X, and a 2-functor G: J --> X (viz., > a diagram of 1-cells C -F-> E <-G- D in X), a limit of G > w.r.t. the weight F defined above is called a *comma object* > F|G in X. I believe it is also called a *lax pullback* of F > and G, although I tend not to like such terminology, as lax > is overused, sometimes confusingly so. I knew this definition of comma category as a lax pullback. In fact, In my first post starting this thread, I tried to reformulate it as a natural isomorpphism in order to see it as a representation. stupid mistake in my previous post ^_^. David. === Subject: Re: a non-linear second-order PDE Epigone-thread: gromstunpand >>I consider the following non-linear second-order partial differential >>equation with two non-negative variables x and y: >> >>(a+ b x) [ df/dx d^2f/(dx dy) - df/dy d^2f/(dx^2) ] + b y [ df/dx d^2 >>f/d(y^2)- df/dy d^2f/(dx dy)] =0 >> >>where a >0 and b is a real number. Additional conditions are >> >>f(x,0) = (a + b x)^(1-1/b) /(1/b (1-1/b)) >> >>and >> >>df(x,0)/dy =0. >> I assume you mean df/dy = 0 when y = 0. >>for all x. >> >>(For b=1, f(x,0) converges to logarithmic function ln(a+x), but that >>should not really matter). >> >>One solution to the PDE is: >> >>f(x,y) = 1/(1/b (1-1/b)) [ (a + b x)^(1- 1/b) + c2 b y^(1-1/b) ] >> This doesnt satisfy your second additional condition in general, however: >> df/dy has a singularity at y=0 if b > 0. It does work if c2 = 0 or if >> b < 0. Of course, in general theres also a singularity when a+bx=0. >>with constants c1, c2. >> You didnt have a c1. >>My question: Are there other solutions? If so, which? If no, how can >>one prove uniqueness? >> Solutions of your PDE include >> f(x,y) = c_0 + sum_{j=1}^n c_j (a+bx)^(k_j) y^(p-k_j) >> for any constants c_j, k_j and p. For example, you could add to >> your solution a term in (a+bx)^(-1-1/b) y^2 and get another solution >> with the same values of f(x,0) and df/dy (x,0). So, no uniqueness >> there. >> BTW, an interesting feature of the PDE is that if f(x,y) is a solution, so >> is f(x,y)^k for any k, or ln(f(x,y)), or exp(f(x,y)). >I believe Ive found the general solution to the PDE: >f(x,y) = G((a+bx) H(y/(a+bx))) >where G and H are arbitrary (twice differentiable) functions. >Wlog we can take H(0) = 1, and then f(x,0) = G(a+bx) determines G, >while df/dy (x,0) = 0 as long as H(0) = 0. > Robert Israel israel@math.ubc.ca > Department of Mathematics http://www.math.ubc.ca/~ israelI believe Ive got a solution to a simpler equation that may >help solving this one: > d^2f/dx^2*df/dy-d^2/dx dy*df/dx = 0 (1) possess a solution: > f(x,y)=h(x+g(y)); (2) > permuting x and y in (1) gives f1(x,y)=h(y+g(x)). > Combine with my observation d/dx (a*(c+y)+bxy) = by > d/dy (a*(c+y)+bxy) = a +bx Yes, this equation (with variables renamed X and Y) is equivalent to the original one under the transformation a + b x = exp(X+Y), b y = exp(X-Y). Robert Israel israel@math.ubc.ca Department of Mathematics http://www.math.ubc.ca/~israel University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC, Canada === Subject: Re: provability and truth |If P is a statement of arithmetic, define the hermeneutics of P (I |choose this word for no particular reason) to be the statement | | => P | |(in other words, if P is provable in PA, then P is true). As has been noted, this is usually called a reßection principle. One of my fondest college memories is of studying the paper in vol. 27 of the Journal of Symbolic Logic on reßection principles, on my own. There is also a recent book by Torkel Franzen aimed at making some results on iterated reßection principles more accessible. I have an amusing tangent to this. Theres a famous theorem. I thought I knew its name, but it appears that was the name of a completely different theorem. It says that for each P, => P)> <=> . In other words, the only cases of this reßection principle provable in PA are the trivial ones, where P is already a theorem of PA. (Theres nothing very special about PA here; the result applies to a wide range of formal systems; they only have to satisfy the assumptions implicit below.) This can be proven using reasoning parallel to the reasoning in Goedels proof of his incompleteness theorems. It is in fact a direct generalization; Goedels second incompleteness theorem is the special case of the above where P is some sentence such as 1=0. In that case PA|-P is equivalent to PA being inconsistent, and ( => P) is equivalent to PA being consistent, and the second incompleteness theorem says that a system like PA can only prove its own consistency if it is inconsistent. We can concoct a sentence G such that G is true if and only if G or P is not a theorem of PA, and such that this fact is provable in PA. We rely on the fact that if a sentence is a theorem of PA, then the fact that it is a theorem of PA is also a theorem of PA. We also rely on the fact described in the last sentence being a theorem of PA! Assume the left hand side above, that => P is a theorem of PA. The following argument could then be formalized in PA: Suppose G is false. Then the falsity of G is a theorem of PA (because G is false is equivalent to the provability of something). But also G or P is provable in PA. Hence P is a theorem of PA. {...} Hence P. Where I have {...}, we insert the proof in PA of =>P that we are assuming exists. The above argument would be a proof in PA that if G is false then P is true, or G or P. Since G denies this, G would be false. So G is false. Then the falsity of G is a theorem of PA (because G is false is equivalent to the provability of something). But also G or P is provable in PA. Hence P is a theorem of PA. A second special case of this theorem is for sentences that have been concocted in sort of the opposite way from the Goedel sentence, i.e. sentences H that are equivalent to their own provability in PA. The theorem whose proof I just sketched implies that they are all theorems of PA. They are, but their proofs in PA, as constructed by the proof above, come off like doubletalk. Because H is equivalent by construction to H is provable in PA, a proof of H in PA must show there exists a proof of H in PA. There is a metatheorem in this case that implies any such proof can be rewritten to make it plainly constructive, which roused my curiosity. Its not especially hard to write it in a plainly constructive form, which then raises the question, whats the proof of H that the proof of H constructs? I traced through this once and found that the proof it constructs is-- essentially-- itself. |For |example, the hermeneutics of the False statement is the statement |Consis(PA) that PA is consistent (and the hermeneutics of the True |statement is again the True statement, of course); the hermeneutics of |~Consis(PA) is essentially equivalent, modulo Consis(PA), to the |consistency of PA+Consis(PA). And so on. | |Define the Grand Hermeneutical Axiom Scheme (Totally Ludicrous, |Yuck) (Ghastly for short) to be the axiom scheme consisting of the |hermeneutics of every arithmetical statement P (so, Ghastly allows us |to deduce, if any P is provable from PA, that P is true). As |explained above, Ghastly implies Consis(PA) and Consis(PA+Consis(PA)), |and so on - with a reasonable definition of and so on. A reßection principle is sometimes used as a function on formal systems of some type, in this case going from a system S to the system S augmented by an axiom scheme. Youre showing here that the reßection principle you described before is, in a certain sense, a lot more powerful than the one merely going from S to S+Consis(S). [...] |Finally I come to my question (but Im interested more generally in |anything that could be said about Ghastly, including any more |reasonable name for it): is Ghastly equivalent to some (finite) |statement about arithmetic? Or is it, at least, implied by some |(finite) statement about arithmetic that is consistent (provably in |ZF)? By finite, perhaps you mean a statement in first-order arithmetic, which is the language of PA. No, any such sentence is disprovable in PA. Suppose that Q is such a sentence. The reßection principle as applied to Q is false is =>Q is false. If it was a theorem in PA that Q implied it, then we would have PA |- Q => ( => Q is false), which is equivalent to PA |- => Q is false. By the above theorem whose name I seem to have been misremembering, this implies that Q is false is a theorem of PA. For each n, one can formalize in first-order arithmetic the property of an n-quantifier sentence being true, and thus the reßection principle as restricted to n-quantifier sentences can be formalized. But it needs more than n quantifiers to be formalized. So the reßection principle in general can only be formalized in a stronger language; it doesnt need to be very much stronger, however. Note that ZF in this context is overkill. You could have just as well used a standard elementary theory of natural numbers and sets of natural numbers such as the formal system PA_2. Thats strong enough to do everything youve mentioned doing with ZF. Keith Ramsay === Subject: Re: provability and truth Aatu Koskensilta in litteris scripsit: > There are numerous complications here. One of the more obvious ones is > that if we accept e.g. Fefermans analysis that RA_Gamma_0 or IR > contains exactly those principles acceptable on basis of acceptance of > PA, we are in fact asserting the acceptability of RA_Gamma_0. In this > case we can convincingly argue that the analysis is not acceptable on > basis of PA, since the notion of a well-ordering isnt. But in case of > e.g. ZFC there is no reason to consider the theory obtained by > autonomously iterating addition of reßection principles (Aut(ZFC)) to > comprise everything that is implicit in acceptance of ZFC. This is > because it seems that basic observations about what acceptance means and > what well-orderings are lead one to accept Aut(ZFC) on basis of > acceptance of ZFC. suggestions that could serve as introductory material to these questions? (Assuming I have basic background on logic and set theory, e.g., the contents of Jechs *Set Theory* and Poizats *Model Theory*.) For example, where can I find a definition of Aut(ZFC)? -- David A. Madore (david.madore@ens.fr, http://www.dma.ens.fr/~madore/ ) === Subject: Re: provability and truth Originator: tchow@maclaurin.mit.edu.mit.edu (Timothy Chow) >suggestions that could serve as introductory material to these >questions? One possibility is Torkel Franzens new book, which I believe has just been published. http://www.sm.luth.se/~torkel/eget/progps.html -- Tim Chow tchow-at-alum-dot-mit-dot-edu The range of our projectiles---even ... the artillery---however great, will never exceed four of those miles of which as many thousand separate us from the center of the earth. ---Galileo, Dialogues Concerning Two New Sciences === Subject: Re: provability and truth >>suggestions that could serve as introductory material to these >>questions? > One possibility is Torkel Franzens new book, which I believe has just been > published. http://www.sm.luth.se/~torkel/eget/progps.html I dont know about introductory - I suspect Franzens book here would be the perfect choice although I havent read it yet - , but the following Solomon Feferman: Transfinite recursive progressions of arithmetic theories, JSL 27(3) 1962 Solomon Feferman: Arithmetization of metamathematics in general settings Fundamenta Mathematica 49 196(1?) Solomon Feferman: Systems of Predicative Analysis I JSL 29(1) 1964 Solomon Feferman: Reßecting on incompleteness JSL 56(1) 1991 Solomon Feferman: Turing in the land of Oz in The Universal Turing Machine : a Half Century Summary Alan Turing: Systems of logic based on ordinals in M. Davis: The Undecidable Torkel Franzen: Transfinite progressions: a second look at Solomon Feferman has many papers available on-line at his home page, including those on so called unfoldings of theories, which are an attempt to obtain more perspicious formulation of what sort of things are implicit in the acceptance of a theory. For basic information on recursion theory, constructive ordinals, recursive well-founded trees and such like, I suggest Odifreddis Classical Recursion Theory and Rogers Theory of Recursive Functions and Effective Computability. I dont know whether more modern treatments would be better, but these two books are where I learned this material (and what I keep with me as references). (Im writing these references from memory, so they might be slightly inaccurate) -- Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi) Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, daruber muss man schweigen - Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus === Subject: Re: provability and truth tchow@lsa.umich.edu in litteris scripsit: >>If P is a statement of arithmetic, define the hermeneutics of P (I >>choose this word for no particular reason) to be the statement >> => P > This is more commonly known as a reßection principle. >>Define the Grand Hermeneutical Axiom Scheme (Totally Ludicrous, >>Yuck) (Ghastly for short) to be the axiom scheme consisting of the >>hermeneutics of every arithmetical statement P (so, Ghastly allows us >>to deduce, if any P is provable from PA, that P is true). > I dont think you mean to say *every* arithmetical statement, because there > are arithmetical statements that are false, including those that are > disprovable in PA. I dont see how that is a problem. Even if P is the False statement (0=1, if you will), the =>P statement makes good sense (it is Consis(PA)). So I *do* mean every P (every closed statement in the language of arithmetic), even those that are provably false in PA (in which case we just get Consis(PA)). > What it sounds like youre try to get at is the concept of the reßective > closure of PA. Other keywords are iterated consistency extension and > Feferman-Schuette ordinal. The idea behind these concepts is to add to > PA any arithmetical statements that we implicitly must accept if we accept > PA as being true. Those keywords should get you started and help you > make your questions more precise. -- David A. Madore (david.madore@ens.fr, http://www.dma.ens.fr/~madore/ ) === Subject: Re: supplementary subsets of (Z/pZ)^2 > Ive stumbled upon the following provokingly innocent-sounding problem > which has kept me bafßed: > Let p be a prime. Let U and V be two subsets of (Z/pZ)^2 each of > cardinality p, and assume that U+V = (Z/pZ)^2 (in other words, > pairwise addition forms a bijection between the cartesian product U*V > and (Z/pZ)^2). Is it true that projection on the first coordinate > must define a bijection of one of the two sets (either U or V) onto > Z/pZ? (It is of course equivalent to ask whether, for each linear > form l from (Z/pZ)^2 to Z/pZ, l forms a bijection from one of the two > sets onto Z/pZ.) I hope the following is correct: 1) first, rephrase geometrically (as you rightly pointed out, it is a tiling problem): we have a finite square of side length p, so p^2 points. We assume that we can find a subset U of p points (the set of origins), and another subset V of p points (the pattern) such that we can can tile the square (modulo identifications) when we translate our pattern in the various reference frames. Your question is wether we can find a pattern which moreover avoids at least one row (projection on first coordinate) and/or at least one column (projection on second coordinate). Lets assume you actually meant Ôand. 2) second, count: the total number of possible patterns is N = {p^2 choose p}. The number of patterns which avoid exactly one row and one column is M = {(p^2-p+1) choose p}. Now, tiling means no overlap, so lets count the constraints. We start with the first origin u_1 and construct the p points w(1,i)=u_1+v_i. Then we take u_2 and the v_i must now satisfy: w(1,i) != w(2,j) for i<=j, ie thats n(1,2) = p+p.(p-1)/2 constraints. With u_3 all the constraints are now : [w(1,i) != w(2,j) AND w(1,i) != w(3,k) AND w(2,j) != w(3,k)]. So thats n(1,2,3) = {3 choose 2}.n(1,2) . So when we reach u_p we have n(1,...,p) = {p choose 2}.n(1,2) . All we need to do now is compare M with n(1,...,p), which I leave you do. 3) remark: the question made sense for p prime only, since when p is composite there are obvious counter-examples. Namely, with p=4 and noting by Ô* the points of U and V and by Ô% Ôthe other points of the square, we have (use a font of fixed width): % % % % % % % % * % * % % % % % U = % % % % and V = * * % % * % * % * * % % If all the above is correct then the case of (Z/p^2Z) could be studied along those lines too. -- thomas. ...by natural selection our mind has adapted itself to the conditions of the external world. It has adopted the geometry most advantageous to the species or, in other words, the most convenient. Geometry is not true, it is advantageous. H. Poincare. === Subject: Re: supplementary subsets of (Z/pZ)^2 |Let p be a prime. Let U and V be two subsets of (Z/pZ)^2 each of |cardinality p, and assume that U+V = (Z/pZ)^2 (in other words, |pairwise addition forms a bijection between the cartesian product U*V |and (Z/pZ)^2). Let f and g be the characteristic functions of U and V. The condition you have is equivalent to f*g, the convolution, being the constant 1 function. Take the Fourier transform. The Fourier transform of 1 is supported only at the identity. Moreover 1^=(f*g)^=f^ g^. |Is it true that projection on the first coordinate |must define a bijection of one of the two sets (either U or V) onto |Z/pZ? So one of f^ or g^ has to be 0 on the character chi which takes (m, n) to e^(2*pi*i*m/p). For it to be 0, the sum of the values of this character on the points of U or V has to be 0. But the only way to get 0 as a sum of p p-th roots of 1 is by taking all of the p-th roots of 1. The fact that the value of chi for each element is different is equivalent to projection on the first coordinate being a bijection with Z/pZ. I could have avoided the reference to the Fourier transform, but it seems to me that any set U of p elements such that the Fourier transform of its characteristic function is 0 on at least half of the nonzero elements of the dual group has to be pretty special, and I want to ask someone to figure out what such a subset has to look like. Does it have to be a coset of a subgroup of order p? The value is nonzero at any chi whose kernel contains the difference between distinct elements of U, and conversely, so this property is equivalent to the differences between elements of U lying in at most half of the subgroups of order p. Keith Ramsay === Subject: Re: On Hodge and Betti numbers Epigone-thread: sherdphendspoy Marcel === Subject: HELP: A problem about Turing Machine I am puzzled by a problem about Turing machine: Given a Turing Machine M, is the following problem decidable? M moves its head to the left more than 1,000 times on input 0 Best, Tao === Subject: Re: A problem about Turing Machine > I am puzzled by a problem about Turing machine: > Given a Turing Machine M, is the following problem decidable? > M moves its head to the left more than 1,000 times on input 0 > Best, > Tao This is simpler than I first thought. I will assume M is a Busy Beaver type TM and must move left or right (or halt) on every step. Assume M has m states and is given a blank tape. M can not move right m or more times without going into an infinite loop. This is because blank is the only input on the tape that M can read without moving left. Now, we know M must move left in (m-1) or less steps or it will never move left. Define x be the step when M moves left and let y be the tape position M read on step x. We know the input tape must be blank beyond position y. If M moves right two positions we are now in an area of blank tape. Again, M must move left in less than m steps or it will never move left. We can build a finite series that is a limit to the number of steps M can peform without moving left at least n times: (m-1) + (m) + (m+1) + ... + (m+n-2) Russell - 2 many 2 count === Subject: Re: HELP: A problem about Turing Machine > I am puzzled by a problem about Turing machine:Given a Turing Machine M, is the following problem decidable?M moves its head to the left more than 1,000 times on input 0 > Best, > Tao I think that any problem must be presented as a question. I do not see a problem that a head moves to the left more than n times on input 0. Where is the case for decide something? === Subject: Re: HELP: A problem about Turing Machine > I am puzzled by a problem about Turing machine: > Given a Turing Machine M, is the following problem decidable? > M moves its head to the left more than 1,000 times on input 0 I think the answer is Yes. If the states of the machine are M and the alphabet of the tape is A, we can turn such a machine into a push-down stack automaton with states M*X, where X is the set of all strings in A with length <= 1000, and represents all that accessible in the remaining left moves to the left of the head. In turn, a push-down stack automaton can be solved by setting up a set of equations for the values of the relation s1 -> s2, where s1 and s2 are states (in this case, elements of M*X), and s1 -> s2 is true if there is a program path from s1 to s2 which does not look at the current stack and pops everything it pushes off the stack, so that when we get to s2 the stack is exactly the same as it was at s1. The equations are of the form: (1) s -> s (for all s); (2) If at s1 there is a change of state to s2 which doesnt push or pop anything, then for s3 /= s1, s1 -> s3 iff s2 -> s3; (3) If at s1 there is a change of state to s2 which also pushes a symbol (a), at s3 there is a change of state to s4 which pops the same symbol (a), and s1 /= s5, then s1 -> s5 iff s2 -> s3 and s4 -> s5 We can then solve these equations to find the /minimum/ solution for the relation === Subject: Re: HELP: A problem about Turing Machine > Given a Turing Machine M, is the following problem decidable? > M moves its head to the left more than 1,000 times on input 0 No. If M halts on input 0, then youll know how many times M moved its head to the left and you can answer yes or no If M doesnt halt on input 0, then youll have to wait until a tally of 1,000 left head moves. If such occures, then you can answer yes. If such doesnt occure, you still have to wait longer to see if perhaps itll occure. So youll never be able to say no. Problem is undecidable. === Subject: Re: HELP: A problem about Turing Machine >> Given a Turing Machine M, is the following problem decidable? >> M moves its head to the left more than 1,000 times on input 0 > No. If M halts on input 0, then youll know how many times M moved its > head to the left and you can answer yes or no > If M doesnt halt on input 0, then youll have to wait until a tally of > 1,000 left head moves. If such occures, then you can answer yes. If such > doesnt occure, you still have to wait longer to see if perhaps itll > occure. So youll never be able to say no. Problem is undecidable. I dont think thats obvious at all. The question is, could you find a _different_ Turing machine which will tell you for given input if the first machine would move backwards 1000 times. Actually, the 1000 moves seems irrelevant to me, since one could construct a TM with 1000 times as many states corresponding to each step to the left. So it seems to me the problem is equivalent to: Is the halting problem for a 1-stack machine decidable? I dont know the answer, but I would have guessed it was Yes. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland === Subject: Re: Internal language of a category >>There are different notions of internal languages such as the one for >>Cartesian closed categories or the one for toposes. But, each time, the >>definition of the internal language is given ad hoc. Is there an abstract >>definition of what is an (or the?) internal language of a category? > Not quite sure what you mean ad hoc, or even what you are looking > for really, since the language of category theory stands on its > own, but if I had to guess, you might be looking for general ways > of arguing as if objects had elements. Given a category, Id like to have a textual (not graphical) formal language which I could use to express the objects, arrows, commutative diagrams... of this category. For instance, in the case of the category of directed graphs, Id like a textual language to describe directed graphs. But I am not sure that internal language is the right notion for this purpose. Indeed, the category of directed graphs is a topos but I do not think the internal language of a topos is convenient to describe directed graphs. David. === Subject: Fixed point free finite group actions on n-disks Epigone-thread: kherdfeifreh Let D^n denote the usual n-disk as a smooth manifold-with-boundary. I believe it was Robert Oliver who first gave an example of a smooth fixed point free action of a finite group G on a D^n; if I recall correctly, n = 8 in this example. Can someone please say what is the least known n for which a smooth fixed point free action of a finite group G on D^n is known to exist? Also, Id like to know for what n > 2, if any, such an action has been shown to be impossible. References to the literature would be appreciated. --Dan Asimov === Subject: 2 questions on finitely generated solvable groups 1) Can a solvable, finitely generated group act 2-transitively on an infinite set X? Or, at least, with a finite number of orbits in X[Times]X? 2) If every solvable, finitely generated group a quotient of some finitely presented solvable group? -- Yves de Cornulier === Subject: Re: 2 questions on finitely generated solvable groups Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) > 1) Can a solvable, finitely generated group act 2-transitively on an > infinite set X? Or, at least, with a finite number of orbits in X[Times]X? > 2) If every solvable, finitely generated group a quotient of some > finitely presented solvable group? I thank people who answered to these questions. I found that the answer is known to be negative for the second one: Thm (Bieri, Strebel, 1979) If G is a finitely presented solvable group and H a metabelian quotient of G, then H is finitely presented. And as Ignat noticed, free metabelian groups are not finitely presented, so they are counterexamples to (2). I have still no answer to (1); I am almost sure that it is, in fact, an open question. -- Yves de Cornulier === Subject: Re: 2 questions on finitely generated solvable groups >Can a solvable, finitely generated group act 2-transitively on an >infinite set X? There is a construction of Philip Hall of a finitely generated soluble group G of derived length 3 which is not residually finite. This group has a maximal subgroup H of infinite index, so the action of G on the cosets of H is primitive - you might try and check whether it is actually 2-transitive. The group was constructed in AUTHOR = {Hall, P.}, TITLE = {On the finiteness of certain soluble groups}, JOURNAL = {Proc. London Math. Soc. (3)}, VOLUME = {9}, YEAR = {1959}, PAGES = {595--622}, MRCLASS = {20.00}, MRNUMBER = {MR0110750 (22 #1618)}, MRREVIEWER = {K. Gruenberg}, } @book {MR986732, AUTHOR = {Hall, Philip}, TITLE = {The collected works of {P}hilip {H}all}, SERIES = {Oxford Science Publications}, NOTE = {Compiled and with a preface by K. W. Gruenberg and J. E. Roseblade, With an obituary by Roseblade}, PUBLISHER = {The Clarendon Press Oxford University Press}, ADDRESS = {New York}, YEAR = {1988}, PAGES = {xii+776}, ISBN = {0-19-853254-7}, MRCLASS = {01A75 (20-06)}, MRNUMBER = {MR986732 (90b:01108)}, MRREVIEWER = {Annabelle McIver}, } The group is also described in exercise 15.4.6 in @book {MR648604, AUTHOR = {Robinson, Derek John Scott}, TITLE = {A course in the theory of groups}, SERIES = {Graduate Texts in Mathematics}, VOLUME = {80}, PUBLISHER = {Springer-Verlag}, ADDRESS = {New York}, YEAR = {1982}, PAGES = {xvii+481}, ISBN = {0-387-90600-2}, MRCLASS = {20-01}, MRNUMBER = {MR648604 (84k:20001)}, } I suspected that Halls group G could be a possible example, but its Francesco de Giovanni who pointed out to me that the exercise in Robinsons book states that G has indeed a maximal subgroup H of infinite index. I am curious to know whether the action of G on the cosets of H is indeed 2-transitive; I may give it a try myself, time permitting. Andreas === Subject: Re: 2 questions on finitely generated solvable groups >>Can a solvable, finitely generated group act 2-transitively on an >>infinite set X? >There is a construction of Philip Hall of a finitely generated soluble >group G of derived length 3 which is not residually finite. This group >has a maximal subgroup H of infinite index, so the action of G on the >cosets of H is primitive - you might try and check whether it is >actually 2-transitive. [...] >I am curious to know whether the action of G on the cosets of H is >indeed 2-transitive; I may give it a try myself, time permitting. I worked out the exercise in Robinsons book together with my colleague Francesca Dalla Volta. Alas, it seems that the action of G on the set X of the cosets of H in G is not 2-transitive. >>Or, at least, with a finite number of orbits in X[Times]X? Also, it seems to us that G has infinitely many orbits on X x X. With hindsight, I guess the original poster was well aware that this group did not provide an example. Andreas === Subject: Re: 2 questions on finitely generated solvable groups Epigone-thread: colsmymeu >1) Can a solvable, finitely generated group act 2-transitively on an >infinite set X? Or, at least, with a finite number of orbits in X[Times]X? >2) If every solvable, finitely generated group a quotient of some >finitely presented solvable group? >Yves de Cornulier 1) The simplest example is G = Z x Z acting on X = Z by translations: (a,b).x = x + a + b Clearly, it is 2-transitive. 2) No, the free n-generated solvable group of solvable length d is not finitely presented for n,d > 1. This was proved by A.L. Shmelkin: Zbl 0134.02801 Shmelkin, A.L. Uber außosbare Produkte von Gruppen (Russian) [J] Sib. Mat. Zh. 6, 212-220 (1965). [ISSN 0037-4474] See review here: http://www.emis.de/cgi-bin/Zarchive?an=0134.02801 Ignat Soroko, Minsk, Belarus === Subject: Re: 2 questions on finitely generated solvable groups YdC: >>1) Can a solvable, finitely generated group act 2-transitively on an >>infinite set X? Or, at least, with a finite number of orbits in X[Times]X? Ignat Soroko: > 1) The simplest example is G = Z x Z acting on X = Z by translations: > (a,b).x = x + a + b > Clearly, it is 2-transitive. Clearly, it is NOT 2-transitive (it preserves the distance...). More generally, an abelian group cannot act 2-transitively on an infinite set. YdC: > 2) If every solvable, finitely generated group a quotient of some >>finitely presented solvable group? Ignat Soroko: > 2) No, the free n-generated solvable group of solvable length d is not > finitely presented for n,d > 1. This was proved by A.L. Shmelkin: And then? This does not prove that this group is not a quotient of a finitely presented solvable group (with more generators or higher solubility length)... -- Yves === Subject: Re: 2 questions on finitely generated solvable groups Epigone-thread: colsmymeu >YdC: >Clearly, it is NOT 2-transitive (it preserves the distance...). More >generally, an abelian group cannot act 2-transitively on an infinite set. > ... >YdC: >And then? This does not prove that this group is not a quotient of a >finitely presented solvable group (with more generators or higher >solubility length)... You are right, I goofed in 1 and was too hasty in 2. 1. There is some description of all solvable 2-transitive groups given in the book: Suprunenko D.A., Groups of Substitutions, Minsk, Navuka i Tekhnika, 1996. (Russian) First, any 2-transitive group G must be primitive. (Since any two elements from a nontrivial block can be put to different blocks by the action.) The author proves that a primitive permutaion group G acting on a set X is similar (i.e. isomorphic as a transformation group) to a group of the type: G = A.T acting on the set X = V, where V is a vector space over a prime field F (GF(p) or Q) T is the full group of translations over vectors of V A is a solvable subgroup of GL(V) acting transitively on V{0}. A.T means the semidirect product of A and T So G is a subgroup of Aff(V). Since our group in question is infinite, the field F is either Q (the rationals), or F=GF(p) and dim V = infinity. All that remains is to show that such groups are never finitely generated. If you are interested, I can provide you with the details of the proof Hope this helps, Ignat Soroko Minsk, Belarus === Subject: Re: Multiplication and Division in Triplets; division by zero-sized vectors snip > More generally one can consider a general group algebra C G > over a finite group, and define a Moore-Penrose type inverse > by decomposing CG as a product of matrix algebras and applying > Moore-Penrose inversion in each. I was going to suggest this with > C replaced by an arbitrary characteristic zero field K, but that > would require Moore-Penrose inverses in matrix algebras over skew > fields. I dont know if there are such things .... anyone? > Of course there are no problems if, as here G is abelian, snip Triplet polar-dual, powers, roots. In Triplet (or, my preferred term, Terplex) algebra, the functions Xs & Xp combine with Xa =ArcTan[2x1 -x2 -x3, -Root[3](x2-x3)] to give a Polar Dual for X. (Mathematica ArcTan convention, Arctan[opposite, adjacent]). The quadratic Xp releases a degree of freedom, which is taken up by the angle Xa. Angles add on multiplication, so the polar-dual of AB is {AsBs, ApBp, Aa+Ba}. With A={3,1,4} and B={1,5,2} as in my original posting, the angles are Aa =ArcTan[3Root[3]]=1.3807, Ba =ArcTan[0.6 Root[3]-Pi]=-2.3370, ABa =ArcTan[9Root[3]/11] =-.9563. Procedures toPolar, toVector, and genPower are available. genPower[A] give SQRT[A] ={1.7789, -.07326, 1.12278}. You can easily write your own procedures from the definitions; care has to be taken with roots of powers when the power takes the angles across the cut for ArcTan. Robin Chapman wondered about non-abelian algebras. The simplest is D3. I use the following protoloop (preferred isomorph):- 1 2 3 4 5 6 2 1 6 5 4 3 3 4 5 6 1 2 4 3 2 1 6 5 5 6 1 2 3 4 6 5 4 3 2 1 with multiplication rule and conserved properties:- AB={a1 b1+a2 b2+a5 b3+a4 b4+a3 b5+a6 b6, a2 b1+a1 b2+a4 b3+a5 b4+a6 b5+a3 b6, a3 b1+a4 b2+a1 b3+a6 b4+a5 b5+a2 b6, a4 b1+a3 b2+a6 b3+a1 b4+a2 b5+a5 b6, a5 b1+a6 b2+a3 b3+a2 b4+a1 b5+a4 b6, a6 b1+a5 b2+a2 b3+a3 b4+a4 b5+a1 b6} Xs=x1+x2+x3+x4+x5+x6, Xt=x1-x2+x3-x4+x5-x6, Xp=((x1-x3)^2-(x2-x4)^2+(x3-x5)^2-(x4-x6)^2+(x5-x1)^2-(x6-x2) ^2)/2. Demonstration of conservation on multiplication:- A={3,1,4,-2,5,0};B={2,7,1,0,2,4}; Multiplication gives AB->{26,37,11,46,12,44} & BA->{26,39,13,48,10,40} Shapes A B AB BA {13,11,-4},{-6,16,-36},{-78,176,144},{-78,176,144} I do not give the inverse procedure here; it gives a left inverse. Demonstrations of division:- Ainv->{159/572,48/143,-127/572,-237/572,4/143,49/572}; Binv->{-23/864,113/864,-23/864,-55/864,1/864,41/864}; genTimes[Binv,BA]=genTimes[AB,Binv]->A genTimes[Ainv,AB]=genTimes[BA,Ainv]->B I have not found a polar form with additive angles, because there is only one squared radius and so 3 degrees of freedom are lost. However, splitting Xp gives a polar form that reverts correctly and provides positive powers (as a continuous function of the power):- Xra=((x1-x3)^2+(x3-x5)^2+(x5-x1)^2)/2; Xa=ArcTan[2x1-x3-x5,SQRT[3](x5-x3)]; Xrb=((x2-x4)^2+(x4-x6)^2+(x6-x2)^2)/2; Xb=ArcTan[2x2-x4-x6,SQRT[3](x6-x4)]-Xa; Demonstration:-toPolar[A]->{13,11,3,2.618,7,-1.904} toVector[A]->{.1118,-0.9537,1.9941,1.1507,-0.1059,-1.197}( treating A as a polar form) with toPolar[toVector[A]]->{3,1,4,-2,5,0} and toVector[toPolar[A]] ->{3,1,4,-2,5,0}; rootA=genPower[A,.5]->{1.3808,0.9679,0.3062,-0.8842,1.7741,- 0.2281} genpower[rootA,2]->{3,1,4,-2,5,0}. But genTimes[rootA,rootA]-> {4.76, 0.359, 3.12, -0.903, 4.112, -0.456}; That last line demonstrates something that upsets moderators. If A has any negative sizes (-4 in the example) A.A is not the same as A^2. A.A = {54, -12, 47, -3, 44, -9} A^1.99= {48.09,-7.07,48.18,-12.07,45.15,-4.15} A^2 = {49.33,-7.33,49.33,-12.37,46.33,-4.33} A^2.01= {50.60,-7.60,50.15,-12.61,47.54,-4.52} This is because A.A must have the third size=16; it is -16 in the power function. If anyone wishes to follow-up Robins comment about matrix formulations of non-abelian tables, the dot-products of {{0,-i},{i,0}} and {{j,0},{0,j j}}, where i^4=1,j^3=1, give the elements of a different D3 isomorph. Roger Beresford. I apologise for the ungracious tailquote in my previous posting. I had passed my (low) concentration-span limit, and did not notice how rude it looked. Sorry. And more, much more than this. I did it my way. (P. Anka.) === Subject: help: limit of exponential series Ive gone through the algebra of a series of exponential growth and decays and come up with the following form of the solution x = 1-exp(-A/tau)*[1-exp(-B/tau)*[1-exp(-A/tau)*[.....]]] if the text gets scrambled the above is supposed to be a nested infinite product. Now A + B = constant and A,B >= 0. This seems like it should have a limit as n goes to infinity but I dont know how to go about finding it. Any hints or is this a common solution. It arises from a heat transfer problem Im working on where power is applied for A seconds then off for B seconds. So that at the end of every A cycle the temp will rise and then cool off for the B cycle. It has a limit if A is equal to the constant and B is zero. That solution is easy (and of course the solution for A=0 is trivial). Im familiar with the old tricks like what is the sqrt of a nested sqrt(5 + sqrt(5+sqrt(5+ ..... Is there something similar here. Bill === Subject: Re: help: limit of exponential series >Ive gone through the algebra of a series of exponential growth and >decays and come up with the following form of the solution >x = 1-exp(-A/tau)*[1-exp(-B/tau)*[1-exp(-A/tau)*[.....]]] >if the text gets scrambled the above is supposed to be a nested >infinite product. >Now A + B = constant and A,B >= 0. I hope you mean A and B both constants. >This seems like it should have a limit as n goes to infinity but I >dont know how to go about finding it. Any hints or is this a common >solution. There isnt any n in your formula, but I suppose you mean something like this: x_0 arbitrary, x_{n+1} = 1 - exp(-A/tau)(1 - exp(-B/tau) x_n) = 1 - exp(-A/tau) + exp(-(A+B)/tau) x_n which Ill write as x_{n+1} = a + b x_n If A + B > 0 you have 0 < b < 1, and then its elementary that x_n converges to the fixed point of the iteration, namely a/(1-b), since x_{n+1} - a/(1-b) = b (x_n - a/(1-b)) Robert Israel israel@math.ubc.ca Department of Mathematics http://www.math.ubc.ca/~israel University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC, Canada === Subject: Re: limit of exponential series [Bill Schuh] > Ive gone through the algebra of a series of exponential growth and > decays and come up with the following form of the solution > x = 1-exp(-A/tau)*[1-exp(-B/tau)*[1-exp(-A/tau)*[.....]]] > if the text gets scrambled the above is supposed to be a nested > infinite product. > Now A + B = constant and A,B >= 0. > This seems like it should have a limit as n goes to infinity but I > dont know how to go about finding it. Any hints or is this a common > solution. Lets simplify the daunting appearance by letting a=exp(-A/tau), and b=exp(-B/tau). Then its just: x = 1-a*(1-b*(1-a*(1-b*(...)))) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ which is x So if it has a limit at all, it must satisfy: x = 1-a*(1-b*x) which is easily solved as: x = (1-a)/(1-a*b) = [1-exp(-A/tau)]/[1-exp(-(A+B)/tau)] > It arises from a heat transfer problem Im working on where power is > applied for A seconds then off for B seconds. So that at the end of > every A cycle the temp will rise and then cool off for the B cycle. > It has a limit if A is equal to the constant and B is zero. That > solution is easy (and of course the solution for A=0 is trivial). Too practical for me . === Subject: Re: Finite Automata and Category Theory > I am interested in Finite Automata from the categorical > point of view. OK. Let M be a monoid. Let A = (Q,I,F,H) be a finite automaton over M, defined by: I, F subsets of Q H subset of Q x M x Q |= relation over the free extension M[Q] defined by: * a |= a * a |= b, b |= c --> a |= c * f in F --> f |= 1 * (q,m,r) in F --> a q b |= a m r b [A], for A subset of M[Q] defined by [A] = { m in M: a |= m for some a in A } define L(A) = [I] = the subset of M recognized by the automaton A Category: Objects: Q union { I, F } Arrows: q -- m --> r whenever q |= m r; for m in M; q,r in Q Identity = monoid identity: q -- 1 --> q Composition = monoid product: q -- m --> r; r -- n --> s ==> q -- mn --> s Some authors define a category such that no 2 arrows have the same label. This is easily accomodated by writing q -- (q,m,r) --> r as the arrow, and is therefore not an essential issue here. A particular case is that the set H allows for lambda transitions, (q,1,r) in H: q -- 1 --> r. Allowing for multiple arrows per label makes the following easier to state. The automaton is deterministic if no two arrows from the same state have the same label. A functor is restricted to those that map the labels consistently. That is: if 2 arrows have the same label, they map to arrows with the same label. This means, among other things, that the underlying monoid is mapped via a monoid homomorphism. All the above is quite general, much more so than merely an account of finite state automata. For one, the underlying monoid need not be free. For instance, it may be a monoid product, such as M = X* x Y*, of two free monoids on sets X and Y. This yields the usual definition of a finite state MACHINE, if outputs. The set Q need not be finite. For instance, it may be factorable into a form: Q = Q0 x S*; I, F subsets of Q0 x {1}. for some set S, with Q0 finite. If the transitions in H satisfy the properties: (1) Symmetry Property if (q,sa) --> m --> (r,ba) for some s in S, b in S*, then (q,sa) --> m --> (r,ba) for all a in S*. (2) Selection Rules transitions restricted to the forms (q,sa) --> m --> (r,ba) for q,r in Q0, s in S, a, b in S*, m in M (q,1) --> m --> (r,a) for q,r in Q0, a in S*, m in M These 2 restrictions carve out the subfamily of infinite state automata that correspond to push down automata (generalized, here, to PDAs over general monoids M, not just over free monoids X*). In the case M = X*, one has the usual definition of a PDA; if A similar set of symmetries and selection rules will give you a definition for the equivalent of a turing machine. Automata families, in general, are carved out by the appropriate selection of symmetries and selection rules. The transition set H plays the role of a discrete analogue of the systems Hamiltonian; if one attaches probabilities to the labels (and to elements of F) so that the sum of all probabilities for all outgoing labels plus the probability attached to the state itself (if it is in F) add to 0; then one has a definition for a stochastic automaton. In that case, H plays the role of the integral of the state evolution operator over a finite time interval -- a discrete analogue to a kind of S-matrix, if one is thinking of quantum field theoretic applications. The symmetries and selection rules then play the analogue of Noetherian symmetries and superselection rules. === Subject: Chebyshev polynomials Epigone-thread: slalsmoißen I meet equations about Chebyshev polynomials.Tn(Xn)is n degree Chebyshev polynomials about Xn. Mi is const (known value). T1(x1)+T2(x2)+...+T1(xn)=M1 T3(x1)+T3(x2)+...+T3(xn)=M3 T5(x1)+T5(x2)+...+T5(xn)=M5 ....................... T2n+1(x1)+.......+T2n+1(xn)=Mn How obtain xi? === Subject: Re: Chebyshev polynomials >I meet equations about Chebyshev polynomials.Tn(Xn)is n degree >Chebyshev polynomials about Xn. Mi is const (known value). >T1(x1)+T2(x2)+...+T1(xn)=M1 >T3(x1)+T3(x2)+...+T3(xn)=M3 >T5(x1)+T5(x2)+...+T5(xn)=M5 >....................... >T2n+1(x1)+.......+T2n+1(xn)=Mn >How obtain xi? Since no one else is stating the obvious, I guess I will. You could expand out the polynomials T1, T3, ... as powers of x; then linear combinations of these n equations tell you exactly what the quantities sum (x_i)^(2k+1) are, in terms of M1, M3, ..., M_(2k+1). But those quantities are in turn expressible in terms of the elementary symmetric polynomials S_i in the x_i. Youve got enough equations then to determine the S_i in terms of the M_i. Finally of course the x_i can be obtained as roots of the polynomial P(X) = X^n - S1 X^(n-1) + ... Its not clear to me why this must have been the case, but in fact the S_i are _rational_ functions of the M_i, at least up through the case n=5, so that the x_i may be obtained as the roots of a polynomial in Z[M1, M2, ... ][X]. The polynomials P for the cases n <= 5 are attached below. 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11907000*M1^5-2976750*M1^2*M3-11113200*M1^7+4838400*M1^9) === Subject: Re: Chebyshev polynomials >I meet equations about Chebyshev polynomials.Tn(Xn)is n degree >Chebyshev polynomials about Xn. Mi is const (known value). >T1(x1)+T2(x2)+...+T1(xn)=M1 ^^ I assume that should be T1 >T3(x1)+T3(x2)+...+T3(xn)=M3 >T5(x1)+T5(x2)+...+T5(xn)=M5 >....................... >T2n+1(x1)+.......+T2n+1(xn)=Mn ^^ ... and that should be M_{2n+1}. >How obtain xi? The odd powers of x can be expressed as linear combinations of T_j(x) for odd j: x^{2m+1} = 4^(-m) sum_{j=0}^m (2m+1 choose m-j) T_{2j+1}(x) So from your equations you can get x_1^(2m+1) + ... + x_n^(2m+1) = 4^(-m) sum_{j=0}^m (2m+1 choose m-j) M_{2j+1} Call this b_{2m+1}. Now if you had b_j for even j as well as odd j, I would suggest using Newtons identities to get the elementary symmetric functions of x_1,...,x_n, and thus the coefficients of a polynomial whose roots (counting multiplicity) are x_1,...,x_n. Robert Israel israel@math.ubc.ca Department of Mathematics http://www.math.ubc.ca/~israel University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC, Canada === Subject: Re: Approximation of Stirling numbers of 2. kind Epigone-thread: ßangputul >> Does anyone know of a closed form approximation/upper bound of the >> stirling numbers of the second kind? >I dont believe one exists. But if you notice that there are >k!S(n,k) onto functions from an n element set to a k element set, >and count the same number using inclusion-exclusion, you get >the reasonable closed form > [S(n,k) = frac{1}{k!}sum_{j=0}^{k}(-1)^j{k choose j}(k-j)^n.] >e.g., S(3,2) = (1/2!)[C(2,0)2^3 - C(2,1)1^3 + C(2,2)0^3] > = (1/2) [ 8 - 2 + 0 ] > = 3. >Rick Does anyone know of a formula (can be approximate) for computing the logarithm of a Stirling number of the second directly? I.e. Not computing the number and then taking its log. === Subject: Re: Approximation of Stirling numbers of 2. kind In my paper Asymptotic Estimates of Stirling Numbers, Studies in Applied Mathematics, 89, 1993, 233 -- 243, I give an estimate for large n that holds uniformly with respect to m. Let x0 be the positive solution of m x / n = 1 - exp(-x). Let t0 = (n-m)/m. Then the Stirling number of the second kind Snm has the S(n,m) (n ge m) has the asymptotic estimate S(n,m) sim (m/(n-m x0))^m (n-m)^{n-m} e^{m-n} {n choose m} sqrt{t0/(1+t0)/(x0-t0)}, n to infty. Nico Temme Nico M. Temme, http://homepages.cwi.nl/~nicot/ C W I: Centrum voor Wiskunde en Informatica Kruislaan 413, NL-1098 SJ Amsterdam Tel +31 20 592 4240 P.O. Box 94079, NL-1090 GB Amsterdam Fax +31 20 592 4199 === > Subject: Re: Approximation of Stirling numbers of 2. kind >> Does anyone know of a closed form approximation/upper bound of > the >> stirling numbers of the second kind? >I dont believe one exists. But if you notice that there are >k!S(n,k) onto functions from an n element set to a k element set, >and count the same number using inclusion-exclusion, you get >the reasonable closed form > [S(n,k) = frac{1}{k!}sum_{j=0}^{k}(-1)^j{k choose j}(k-j)^n.] >e.g., S(3,2) = (1/2!)[C(2,0)2^3 - C(2,1)1^3 + C(2,2)0^3] > = (1/2) [ 8 - 2 + 0 ] > = 3. >Rick > Does anyone know of a formula (can be approximate) for computing the > logarithm of a Stirling number of the second directly? I.e. Not > computing the number and then taking its log. === Subject: Re: determinant inequality > Does anyone know a proof (or a reference) for this inequality? > det(I+xA+B) det(I+A+yB) > det(I+A+B) det(I+xA+yB) > where > 0 < x,y < 1 > A,B are positive definite n x n matrices > I is the n x n identity matrix For two symmetric matrices C and D, lets say that C >>D iff (C-D) is positive definite, and lets write C >> 0 if C is positive definite. One easily verifies that if C >> D >> 0, then det(C) > det(D) and also C^(-1) << D^(-1), and GCG >> GDG whenever G is symmetric and positive definite. Also, lets note the formula (1) det[(C+D)D^(-1)] = det(I + C^(1/2)D^(-1)C^(1/2)], for positive definite matrices C and D. Lets call a function F , defined on a real interval and with values in the set of symmetric mxm matrices _increasing_ if x1 < x2 implies F(x1) << F(x2), and _decreasing_ if -F is increasing. Let now A and B be given symmetric matrices of the same size, A >>0 and B >>0. Let 0 < y < 1 be fixed. For x in [0,1], consider the function F(x) = det[(I + xA + yB)(I + xA + B)^(-1)]. The assertion is equivalent to the inequality F(x) < F(1) for 0 < x < 1, so lets show that F is increasing: (I + xA + B) is increasing in x, thus (I + xA + B)^(-1) is decreasing, thus I + (y-1)B^(1/2)(I + xA + B)^(-1)B^(1/2) is increasing (since y < 1), thus det[I + (y-1)B^(1/2)(I + xA + B)^(-1)B^(1/2)] is increasing. By formula (1) this equals F(x), qed. === Subject: Paper published by Geometry and Topology The following paper has been published: URL: http://www.maths.warwick.ac.uk/gt/GTVol8/paper36.abs.html Title: On groups generated by two positive multi-twists: Teichmueller curves and Lehmers number Author(s): Christopher J Leininger Abstract: several interesting facts about subgroups of the mapping class group generated by two positive multi-twists. In particular, we identify all configurations of curves for which the corresponding groups fail to be free, and show that a subset of these determine the same set of Teichmueller curves as the non-obtuse lattice triangles which were classified by Kenyon, Smillie, and Puchta. We also identify a pseudo-Anosov automorphism whose dilatation is Lehmers number, and show that this is minimal for the groups under consideration. In addition, we describe a connection to work of McMullen on Coxeter groups and related work of Hironaka on a construction of an interesting class of fibered links. Secondary: 20H10, 57M25 Keywords: Coxeter, Dehn twist, Lehmer, pseudo-Anosov, mapping class group, Teichmueller Proposed: Benson Farb Seconded: Walter Neumann, Joan Birman Author(s) address(es): Department of Mathematics, Columbia University 2990 Broadway MC 4448, New York, NY 10027, USA Email: clein@math.columbia.edu === Subject: Category Theory: Representable functors Hi Let C be a category and X, Y be two objects of C. The product of X and Y can be defined as the representation of a functor which returns a product in Set. C(_, XxY) =~ C(_, X) x C(_, Y) A limit can also be defined as the representation of a functor: C(_, Lim F) = D^C(Diagonal(_), F) Similarly to the case of the product, is the represented functor D^C(Diagonal(_), F) a functor which returns a limit in Set? David. === Subject: Re: Category Theory: Representable functors Epigone-thread: toiplendchy >Let C be a category and X, Y be two objects of C. The product of X and Y >can be defined as the representation of a functor which returns a product >in Set. > C(_, XxY) =~ C(_, X) x C(_, Y) >A limit can also be defined as the representation of a functor: > C(_, Lim F) = D^C(Diagonal(_), F) >Similarly to the case of the product, is the represented functor >D^C(Diagonal(_), F) a functor which returns a limit in Set? >David. Yes, certainly. For a functor F: J --> C, if the limit exists in C, we have C(A, lim Fj) ~= lim C(A, Fj) since representables C(A, -) preserve limits (essentially by definition of limit). So C(-, lim Fj) ~= lim C(-, Fj). Todd Trimble === Subject: Re: Category Theory: Representable functors Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) >>Hi >>Let C be a category and X, Y be two objects of C. The product of X > and Y >>can be defined as the representation of a functor which returns a > product >>in Set. >> C(_, XxY) =~ C(_, X) x C(_, Y) >>A limit can also be defined as the representation of a functor: >> C(_, Lim F) = D^C(Diagonal(_), F) >>Similarly to the case of the product, is the represented functor >>D^C(Diagonal(_), F) a functor which returns a limit in Set? >>David. > Yes, certainly. For a functor F: J --> C, if the limit exists > in C, we have > C(A, lim Fj) ~= lim C(A, Fj) > since representables C(A, -) preserve limits (essentially by > definition of limit). So C(-, lim Fj) ~= lim C(-, Fj). > Todd Trimble How does it extend to weighted limits? begin{delirium} Let C be a category. Let RepFun be the category of representable funtors from C^op to Set. Let Rep be the function from objets of RepFun to objects of C such that Rep(F) is the object of C (up to isomorphism) such that C(_, Rep(F)) =~ F Rep surely extends to a unique functor, doesnt it? Dont we have that: C(A, Rep(F)) =~ Rep(C(A, F)) ? end{delirium} David. === Subject: Re: Category Theory: Representable functors Epigone-thread: toiplendchy Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) >Hi >Let C be a category and X, Y be two objects of C. The product of X >> and Y >can be defined as the representation of a functor which returns a >> product >in Set. > C(_, XxY) =~ C(_, X) x C(_, Y) >A limit can also be defined as the representation of a functor: > C(_, Lim F) = D^C(Diagonal(_), F) >Similarly to the case of the product, is the represented functor >D^C(Diagonal(_), F) a functor which returns a limit in Set? >David. >> Yes, certainly. For a functor F: J --> C, if the limit exists >> in C, we have >> C(A, lim Fj) ~= lim C(A, Fj) >> since representables C(A, -) preserve limits (essentially by >> definition of limit). So C(-, lim Fj) ~= lim C(-, Fj). >> Todd Trimble >How does it extend to weighted limits? The same way. Work in V-Cat (assume V complete cocomplete closed symmetric monoidal) and suppose F: J --> V is a weight and G: J --> C is a V-functor. If the weighted limit {F, G} exists in C, then C(A, -) preserves this limit in the sense that C(A, {F, G}) is the limit of the composite G C(A, -) J --> C -------> V w.r.t. the weight F. I.e. {F, C(A, G-)} ~ C(A, {F, G}). Proof: V(v, {F, C(A, G-)}) ~ V^J(F-, V(v, C(A, G-))) ~ V(v, V^J(F-, C(A, G-))) ~ V(v, C(A, {F, G})) and the desired isomorphism follows from the Yoneda lemma. The second isomorphism follows from the fact that ultimately the enriched hom V^J(F-, C(A, G-)) may be constructed in terms of ends and cotensors in V; V(v, -) preserves ends as ordinary limits in V, and preserves cotensors, V(v, V(w, -)) ~ V(w, V(v, -)), using the symmetry of the symmetric monoidal structure. For further details, I recommend the book by Kelly. Todd Trimble === Subject: p-adic transcendentals It is well-known (and follows from the Gelfond-Scheinder theorem) that a real quantity such as log(3)/log(2) (more generally, a quotient of the logs of two nonzero rationals, provided it is not rational) is transcendental. Now in fact, such a quantity - lets stick to log(3)/log(2) for simplicity - can be defined over Q_p for all p other than 2 and 3 (the usual power series for log(1+x) defines the log of a p-adic integer which is congruent to 1 mod p; but we can extend to all invertible p-adic integers by declaring that the log of a root of unity must be zero and writing an arbitrary p-adic integer as a (p-1)-th root of unity times a p-adic integer congruent to 1). I dont see any reason a priori why the transcendence of log(3)/log(2) over the reals should be related to the transcendence of the same quantity over the p-adics (even merely for infinitely many ps or something); specifically: while an algebraic equation (over Q) for log(3)/log(2) in one of the Q_ps would define an algebraic number in infinitely many Q_ps, I dont see why that same algebraic should also be log(3)/log(2) in another Q_p. So, is there a known way of proving that log(3)/log(2) is transcendental in Q_p? More generally, is there any kind of way to relate (in a vague sense) the value of log(3)/log(2) (or similarly defined quantities) in the Q_ps and in R (the reals)? -- David A. Madore (david.madore@ens.fr, http://www.dma.ens.fr/~madore/ ) === Subject: Re: p-adic transcendentals David Madore a ecrit: > So, is there a known way of proving that log(3)/log(2) is > transcendental in Q_p? I dont know the answer, but your question reminds me the following, [roughly translated from Exercice 4 of Chapter IV 5 of Borevitch-Chafarevitch Thorie des Nombres] : Find a mistake in the following proof of the irrationality of pi. The number pi is the smallest number >0 such that sin(pi)=0. Suppose that pi is rational. Then since pi>3, the numerator of pi has to be divisible by some odd prime p, or by 2^2. In that case set p=2. It follows that the series sin(x) and cos(x) are convergent in Q_p at x=pi. but since sin(x+y)=sin(x)cos(y)+sin(y)cos(x) it follows that sin(n pi)=0 for any integer n. Hence the function sin(x) has infinitely many zeros inside its convergence area, hence it is identically zero (from Exercice 1 at the same page). This is a contradiction. Serge. === Subject: Re: p-adic transcendentals > David Madore a ecrit: So, is there a known way of proving that log(3)/log(2) is > transcendental in Q_p? > Is there a sense in which this p-adic number x satisfies 2^x = 3 ? > I dont know the answer, but your question reminds me the following, > [roughly translated from Exercice 4 of Chapter IV 5 of > Borevitch-Chafarevitch Theorie des Nombres] : > Find a mistake in the following proof of the irrationality of pi. > The number pi is the smallest number >0 such that sin(pi)=0. > Suppose that pi is rational. Then since pi>3, the numerator of pi > has to be divisible by some odd prime p, or by 2^2. In that case > set p=2. It follows that the series sin(x) and cos(x) are convergent > in Q_p at x=pi. but since > sin(x+y)=sin(x)cos(y)+sin(y)cos(x) > it follows that sin(n pi)=0 for any integer n. Hence the function > sin(x) has infinitely many zeros inside its convergence area, > hence it is identically zero (from Exercice 1 at the same page). > This is a contradiction. I guess the error is: A series of rationals that convervges both in the usual absolute value and in a p-adic absolute value need not converge to the same thing in the two cases, even if both limits are rationals. === Subject: Re: p-adic transcendentals Epigone-thread: kanßarcho Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) >> David Madore a ecrit: >> >> So, is there a known way of proving that log(3)/log(2) is >> transcendental in Q_p? >> >Is there a sense in which this p-adic number x satisfies 2^x = 3 ? I believe the OP covered this, if we define 2^x to be exp(x*log(2)). (We suppose p is neither 2 nor 3.) The point is that the usual MacLaurin expansions for exp(x), log(1+x) give well-defined mutually inverse homomorphisms exp: pZ^_p --> 1 + pZ^_p log: 1 + pZ^_p --> pZ^_p Now of course 2 does not belong to 1 + pZ^_p, but there is a unique root of unity w such that 2w belongs to 1 + pZ^_p, and log(2) is to be defined as log(2w). In other words, there is an identification 1 + pZ^_p ~ (Z^_p)*/((p-1)th roots of unity) so we may say 2^{(log 3)/(log 2)} and 3 differ by a factor which is a root of unity. Todd Trimble === Subject: Re: p-adic transcendentals Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) G. A. Edgar a .8ecrit: > I guess the error is: A series of rationals that convervges both in > the usual absolute value and in a p-adic absolute value need not > converge to the same thing in the two cases, even if both limits > are rationals. That was also my guess, concerning this exercise. But I also guess I would have accepted this proof as correct if the mistake had not been explicitly announced in the exercice : this proof really looks correct at first sight !:-) Serge. === Subject: Re: p-adic transcendentals Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) G. A. Edgar in litteris scripsit: >> David Madore a ecrit: >> So, is there a known way of proving that log(3)/log(2) is >> transcendental in Q_p? > Is there a sense in which this p-adic number x satisfies 2^x = 3 ? Unless Im mistaken: Write x as the limit, for the p-adic topology, of a sequence of integers x_i all congruent mod p-1 (I mean all congruent to some fixed quantity mod p-1). Then (2^{x_i}) converges (again, in the p-adics) to some number which is equal to 3 up to multiplication by a (p-1)-th root of unity, the root in question being determined by the class mod p-1 of the x_i (and for one particular class we do get exactly 3). In particular, x cannot be rational (I believe Im not making the error which Serge points out, here), otherwise some power of 2 would be equal to some power of 3 (up to multiplication by a root of unity, but that cannot be) *in the rationals*. >> Find a mistake in the following proof of the irrationality of pi. >> The number pi is the smallest number >0 such that sin(pi)=0. >> Suppose that pi is rational. Then since pi>3, the numerator of pi >> has to be divisible by some odd prime p, or by 2^2. In that case >> set p=2. It follows that the series sin(x) and cos(x) are convergent >> in Q_p at x=pi. but since >> sin(x+y)=sin(x)cos(y)+sin(y)cos(x) >> it follows that sin(n pi)=0 for any integer n. Hence the function >> sin(x) has infinitely many zeros inside its convergence area, >> hence it is identically zero (from Exercice 1 at the same page). >> This is a contradiction. > I guess the error is: A series of rationals that convervges both in > the usual absolute value and in a p-adic absolute value need not > converge to the same thing in the two cases, even if both limits > are rationals. Yes, theres no reason that because sin(a/b)=0 in the reals we should also have sin(a/b)=0 in the p-adics. But perhaps theres a way to prove this anyway, if the coefficients of the sin power series expansion are tame enough in some sense. -- David A. Madore (david.madore@ens.fr, http://www.dma.ens.fr/~madore/ ) === Subject: Re: p-adic transcendentals Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) Just for the record: David Madore in litteris scripsit: > Write x as the limit, for the p-adic topology, of a sequence of > integers x_i all congruent mod p-1 (I mean all congruent to some fixed > quantity mod p-1). Then (2^{x_i}) converges (again, in the p-adics) > to some number which is equal to 3 up to multiplication by a (p-1)-th > root of unity, the root in question being determined by the class mod > p-1 of the x_i I believe the above is correct. However, this > (and for one particular class we do get exactly 3). might not be true unless we assume that 2 is primitive mod p (or, more generally, that 3 belongs to the multiplicative subgroup generated by 2 in the finite field with p elements). For example, there is no way to approach 3 with powers of 2 in the 7-adics (the powers of 2 in the finite field with 7 elements are 1, 2 and 4), but log(3)/log(2) still makes sense in the way I suggested (and it is precisely 3 + 3*7 + 49 + 0 + 5*7^4 + 6*7^5 + O(7^6)). -- David A. Madore (david.madore@ens.fr, http://www.dma.ens.fr/~madore/ ) === Subject: Expected longest run of heads I was told by email that there is a theorem of Erdos et al that in a series of n Bernoulli trials with P = p, the expected longest run is log to the base 1/p of n. I expressed surprise, not at the result, but at the involvement of Erdos. My correspondent couldnt cite a written source. I had a look at Math Reviews, and found this: MR1139688 (92j:60010) Kopocinski, B. On the distribution of the longest success-run in Bernoulli trials. Mat. Stos. 34 (1991), 3--13. 60C05 The author considers the random variable Z_n, defined to be the length of the longest head run in n coin tosses. Recurrence relations are obtained for the probability and cumulative probability functions of Z_n, and the corresponding generating functions are found. The expected value of Z_n is estimated. Reviewed by Anant P. Godbole This suggests to me that no exact formula is known for the expected longest run (although I have only looked at this review, not at the actual paper). Would someone like to clear up the situation for me? -- Gerry Myerson (gerry@maths.mq.edi.ai) (i -> u for email) === Subject: Re: Expected longest run of heads >I was told by email that there is a theorem of Erdos et al that in a >series of n Bernoulli trials with P = p, the expected longest run is >log to the base 1/p of n. Clearly this cant be an exact result. In n trials there are only finitely many possible outcomes. If p is a rational number, so is the probability of each outcome, and so is the expected value of an integer-valued random variable. But log_{1/p}(n) is generally irrational. I think the reference is to Erdos and Renyi, On a new law of large numbers, J. Anal. Math. 22 (1970), 103-111. Robert Israel israel@math.ubc.ca Department of Mathematics http://www.math.ubc.ca/~israel University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC, Canada === Subject: Re: Expected longest run of heads > I was told by email that there is a theorem of Erdos et al that in a > series of n Bernoulli trials with P = p, the expected longest run is > log to the base 1/p of n. This must be an asymptotic result, not an exact one. In particular, it fails for n=1 where the expected longest run E[Z_1]=p rather than -ln(n)/ln(p)=0. Other cases with small n can also be solved by hand, e.g. E[Z_2]=2p and E[Z_3]=2p^3-2p^2+3p. The formula -ln(n)/ln(p), on the other hand, is transcendental in p, not a polynomial. In fact, its not hard to prove that E[Z_n] is a polynomial in p with integer coefficients of degree at most n. For X=(X_1,X_2,...,X_n) the n trials, Z_n=Z(X) the maximal success length, E[Z_n] = SUM_{x=(x_1,...,x_n)} Z(x) * P[X=x]. Now, Z(x) is an integer and P[X=x]=p^i*(1-p)^(n-i) where i=number of successes in x, which proves the claim. Einar === Subject: Re: Expected longest run of heads > I was told by email that there is a theorem of Erdos et al that in a > series of n Bernoulli trials with P = p, the expected longest run is > log to the base 1/p of n. This must be an asymptotic result, not an exact one. In particular, it fails for n=1 where the expected longest run E[Z_1]=p rather than -ln(n)/ln(p)=0. Other cases with small n can also be solved by hand, e.g. E[Z_2]=2p and E[Z_3]=2p^3-2p^2+3p. The formula -ln(n)/ln(p), on the other hand, is transcendental in p, not a polynomial. In fact, its not hard to prove that E[Z_n] is a polynomial in p with integer coefficients of degree at most n. For X=(X_1,X_2,...,X_n) the n trials, Z_n=Z(X) the maximal success length, E[Z_n] = SUM_{x=(x_1,...,x_n)} Z(x) * P[X=x]. Now, Z(x) is an integer and P[X=x]=p^i*(1-p)^(n-i) where i=number of successes in x, which proves the claim. Einar === Subject: total positivity question I recently asked for a proof/reference of a determinant inequality the following question: A,B are positive definite matrices I is the identity matrix define f(x,y) = 1/det(I+xA+yB) Problem: Show that f(x,y) is a strictly totally positive function on the positive reals. This means: for any positive integer n for all sequences 0 < x1 < ... < xn, 0 < y1 < ... < yn the n by n matrix whose i-j entry is f(xi,yj) has positive determinant. If f(x,y)=x+y the positivity is a consequence of Cauchys double alternant identity; if f(x,y) = (x+y)^2 then it is a consequence of Borchardts identity. === Subject: Re: total positivity question Epigone-thread: plumkroobrimp Originator: israel@math.ubc.ca (Robert Israel) >I recently asked for a proof/reference of a determinant inequality of >the following question: >A,B are positive definite matrices >I is the identity matrix >define f(x,y) = 1/det(I+xA+yB) >Problem: >Show that f(x,y) is a strictly totally positive function on the positive >reals. >This means: >for any positive integer n >for all sequences >0 < x1 < ... < xn, >0 < y1 < ... < yn >the n by n matrix whose i-j entry is f(xi,yj) has positive determinant. >If f(x,y)=x+y the positivity is a consequence of Cauchys double >alternant identity; if f(x,y) = (x+y)^2 then it is a consequence of >Borchardts identity. Hello , your problem seems to be very nice , but I dont understand exactly : what are the matrices A and B if f(x,y)=x+y or (x+y)^2 ? with best wishes Emmanuel Preissmann === Subject: Re: Free software for Homotopy Continuation Methods Epigone-thread: praxkhingglou [ Moderators Note. The post in question is dated 1997, from David Harney, Chemical Engineering Dept., University of Missouri - Rolla. Is anything current known about David Harney or the HOMES software? ] I am a engineering student at India . I was searching the fortran program to solve Non linear systems of equations by homotopy. I got your mail ID from the link http://mathforum.org/epigone/sci.math.research/praxkhingglou I was trying to resolve the turning point issue but i could not do it. I will be very grateful if you can send me the fortran source code for it along with all the details of Subroutines. I will be very grateful to you for this. Sonal jain >HOMES 2.0, a fortran program that solves systems of algebraic >nonlinear systems using homotopy continuation methods, has been >developed here at the University of Missouri - Rolla. >A choice of homotopy functions are available as is a selection >of path tracking algorithms. Bifurcations into the complex domain >at turning points and real domain bounding algorithms are among >other selections available. >If you would like a copy of the code, please email me at >harney@umr.edu >It will eventually be available on a website, as soon as I muster up >the motivation to learn how to create one! >David Harney >Chemical Engineering Dept. >University of Missouri - Rolla === Subject: Re: Free software for Homotopy Continuation Methods Epigone-thread: praxkhingglou Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) I abandoned the academic world in 1998 for the grubby moolah offered by the industrial one. However, I still have this software if interested. Please contact me if you would still like a copy. David Harney Process Engineer, Sr. BASF Corp. harneyd@basf.com >Moderators Note. The post in question is dated 1997, from David >Harney, Chemical Engineering Dept., University of Missouri - Rolla. >Is anything current known about David Harney or the HOMES software? >I am a engineering student at India . I was searching the fortran >program to solve Non linear systems of equations by homotopy. I got >your mail ID from the link href=http://mathforum.org/epigone/sci.math.research/ praxkhingglou>http:/ /mathforum.org/epigone/sci.math.research/praxkhingglouI will be very grateful if you can send me the fortran source code for >it along with all the details of Subroutines. >I will be very grateful to you for this. >Sonal jain >>HOMES 2.0, a fortran program that solves systems of algebraic >>nonlinear systems using homotopy continuation methods, has been >>developed here at the University of Missouri - Rolla. >>A choice of homotopy functions are available as is a selection >>of path tracking algorithms. Bifurcations into the complex domain >>at turning points and real domain bounding algorithms are among >>other selections available. >>If you would like a copy of the code, please email me at >>harney@umr.edu >>It will eventually be available on a website, as soon as I muster up >>the motivation to learn how to create one! >>David Harney >>Chemical Engineering Dept. >>University of Missouri - Rolla === Subject: Re: Free software for Homotopy Continuation Methods >Moderators Note. The post in question is dated 1997, from David >Harney, Chemical Engineering Dept., University of Missouri - Rolla. >Is anything current known about David Harney or the HOMES software? >I am a engineering student at India . I was searching the fortran >program to solve Non linear systems of equations by homotopy. I got >your mail ID from the link >http://mathforum.org/epigone/sci.math.research/praxkhingglou >I was trying to resolve the turning point issue but i could not do it. >I will be very grateful if you can send me the fortran source code for >it along with all the details of Subroutines. >I will be very grateful to you for this. >Sonal jain I know nothing about HOMES 2.0 but http://plato.la.asu.edu/topics/problems/zero.html lists several good sources for continuation methods (in fortran) capable of continuation beyond turning points hth peter >>HOMES 2.0, a fortran program that solves systems of algebraic >>nonlinear systems using homotopy continuation methods, has been >>developed here at the University of Missouri - Rolla. >>A choice of homotopy functions are available as is a selection >>of path tracking algorithms. Bifurcations into the complex domain >>at turning points and real domain bounding algorithms are among >>other selections available. >>If you would like a copy of the code, please email me at >>harney@umr.edu >>It will eventually be available on a website, as soon as I muster up >>the motivation to learn how to create one! >>David Harney >>Chemical Engineering Dept. >>University of Missouri - Rolla === Subject: Fermat Quartics and Chord-Tangent process using Matrices Introduction (Questions below) ------------ After fixing my method for reducing F(x,y,z,t) = G(x,y,z,t) = 0, where F, G are homogenous quadratics in x,y,z,t, I end up with, in general, one equation of the following form: | a1 - X b1 c1 d1 | | a2 b2 - X c2 d2 | = 0 | a3 b3 c3 - Y d3 | | a4 b4 c4 d4 - Y | in which ai, bi, are rational functions of the original (rational) coefficients of F and G. and X, Y are unknowns for which rational values are sought. (If anyone is interested I can email them the reduction method. This requires only one non-trivial rational solution to each of F = 0 and G = 0 separately, and it works the same for a system of n homogenous quadratics in n+2 variables. But for now Im interested in the above equation in its own right.) Obviously the above is equivalent to a Fermat quartic f(Z) = T^2 where f is a quartic polynomial in Z. In fact it can be expressed as H = f1(X).Y^2 + f2(X).Y + f3(X) = 0 where the fi are quadratic, and this means that in general (i.e. if the coefficients dont satisfy a special condition) any single rational solution implies a two-dimensional net of solutions obtained by recursively hopping between roots and expressing H as a quadratic in one or other of X and Y successively. Questions --------- 1. Id first like to understand how, if at all, the 2d solution net[s] relate to the Mordell-Weill group of the associated Weierstrass equation. If more than one net is possible then these must obviously be disjoint. So is the number of nets related to the rank of the M-W group? Also, can a net be periodic, in one or both directions. (In the latter case it could have a torus structure, which is obviously fitting for an elliptic curve!) 2. Can anyone think of a way to use the above determinental form in expressing a chord-tangent style composition formula, i.e. given two rational solutions (X1, Y1) and (X2, Y2) to express a third rational solution in terms of these? Despite the tantalizingly simple appearance of the determinant, I cant make any headway with this. However, it can easily be reduced to an equivalent 2*2 form (with reassigned unknowns X, Y) where i,j = 1,2 independently: M(X,Y) = | a_ij.XY + b_ij.X + c_ij.Y + d_ij | = 0 So I wonder if there exist suitable 2*2 matrices A, B, C such that the following, with X3 and Y3 each as a function of X1, Y1, X2, Y2, is an identity: A . M(X1,Y1) . B . M(X2,Y2) . C = M(X3,Y3) (Whether elements of A, B, C would also need to be functions of X1, Y1, X2, Y2 I have no idea; but this seems likely.) This looks vaguely reminiscent of Gausss composition of quadratic forms, and if the parallel is closer than superficial appearance then perhaps all three Xi,Yi would themselves need to be constrained by some (bilinear?) parametrization for this relation to work. John R Ramsden (jr@adslate.cam) com not cam === Subject: curvature invariants Let (M,g) be a (pseudo-)Riemannian manifold, and Lambda^2 the space of antisymmetric tensors of second rank on M. On Lambda^2 there is a metric G induced by G(X,Y,A,B) = g(X,A) g(Y,B) - g(X,B) g(Y,A) as G shares the Riemann-Christoffel symmetries G(X,Y,A,B) = -G(Y,X,A,B) = -G(X,Y,B,A) G(X,Y,A,B) = G(A,B,X,Y) The geometrical significance of G is that G(X,Y,X,Y) measures the area squared of the parallelogram defined by X and Y. Knowing only G, one apparently cannot reconstruct the metric g. Question: Are there curvature invariants of (M,g) that can be written in terms of only G and its first and second derivatives, i.e. without using the metric g? === Subject: This week in the mathematics arXiv (11 Oct - 15 Oct) Here are this weeks titles in the mathematics arXiv, available at: http://front.math.ucdavis.edu/ http://front.math.ucdavis.edu/submissions This week in the mathematics arXiv may be freely redistributed with attribution and without modification. Titles in the mathematics arXiv (11 Oct - 15 Oct) ------------------------------------------------- AC: Commutative Algebra ----------------------- math.AC/0410304 Emanoil Theodorescu: Bivariate Hilbert Functions for the Torsion Functor math.AC/0410303 Emanoil Theodorescu: Derived Functors and Hilbert Polynomials math.AC/0410265 Marcel Morales, Apostolos Thoma: Complete Intersection Lattice Ideals math.AC/0410264 Anargyros Katsabekis: Projections of cones and the arithmetical rank of toric varieties math.AC/0410257 David Jorgensen, Liana Sega: Independence of the total reßexivity conditions for modules math.AC/0410253 Mitsuhiro Miyazaki: On the discrete counterparts of Cohen-Macaulay algebras with straightening laws math.AC/0410220 Rouchdi Bahloul: Generic and comprehensive standard bases AG: Algebraic Geometry ---------------------- math.AG/0410327 Victor Przyjalkowski: Gromov-Witten invariants of Fano threefolds of genera 6 and 8 math.AG/0410323 Brian Osserman: Mochizukis crys-stable bundles: a lexicon and applications math.AG/0410313 Jean Michel: Hurwitz action on tuples of Euclidean reßections math.AG/0410309 Euisung Park: Noncomplete embeddings of rational surfaces math.AG/0410306 Tomohide Terasoma: Rational convex cones and cyclotomic multiple zeta values math.AG/0410295 Michael Lonne: On bifurcation braid monodromy of elliptic fibrations math.AG/0410283 Alexander Polishchuk: Holomorphic bundles on 2-dimensional noncommutative toric orbifolds math.AG/0410281 Samuel Boissiere: On the McKay correspondences for the Hilbert scheme of points on the affine plane math.AG/0410269 Frederic Paugam: Quelques bords irrationnels de varietes de Shimura math.AG/0410268 Dominic Joyce: Configurations in abelian categories. IV. Changing stability conditions math.AG/0410267 Dominic Joyce: Configurations in abelian categories. III. Stability conditions and invariants math.AG/0410262 Martin Moeller: Periodic points on Veech surfaces and the Mordell-Weil group over a Teichmueller curve math.AG/0410259 Kenichiro Kimura: A rational map between some threefolds math.AG/0410258 David B. Massey: L^e Modules and Traces math.AG/0410255 Kai Behrend: On the de Rham Cohomology of Differential and Algebraic Stacks math.AG/0410254 Frederic Paugam: Three examples of noncommutative boundaries of Shimura varieties math.AG/0410252 Ivan Cheltsov: Factorial nodal threefolds in $mathbb{P}^{5}$ math.AG/0410240 Michel Brion: Lectures on the geometry of ßag varieties math.AG/0410224 Carlos T. Simpson: Formalized proof, computation, and the construction problem in algebraic geometry math.AG/0410223 R. Cluckers, F. Loeser: Ax-Kochen-Er{v{s}}ov Theorems for $p$-adic integrals and motivic integration math.AG/0410221 S.Subramanian: Notes on abelian class field theory AP: Analysis of PDEs -------------------- math.AP/0410330 Adrien Blanchet, Jean Dolbeault, Regis Monneau: On the one-dimensional parabolic obstacle problem with variable coefficients math.AP/0410287 Li Ma, DeZhong Chen: Radial Symmetry and Monotonicity Results for an Integral Equation math.AP/0410279 W. J. Golz: On the Convection-Dispersion Equation for a Finite Domain: Third-Type Boundaries as a Necessary Condition of the Conservation Law math.AP/0410229 Alexander Vasilev: Evolution dynamics of conformal maps with quasiconformal extensions CA: Classical Analysis and ODEs ------------------------------- math.CA/0410320 A. Martinez-Finkelshtein, R. Orive: Riemann-Hilbert analysis for Jacobi polynomials orthogonal on a single contour math.CA/0410284 Vivina Barutello, Susanna Terracini: A bisection algorithm for the numerical Mountain Pass math.CA/0410250 George Gasper, Mizan Rahman: Some Systems of Multivariable Orthogonal q-Racah polynomials math.CA/0410249 George Gasper, Mizan Rahman: Some Systems of Multivariable Orthogonal Askey-Wilson Polynomials math.CA/0410248 George Gasper, Mizan Rahman: q-Analogues of Some Multivariable Biorthogonal Polynomials math.CA/0410228 Stephen Semmes: Potpourri, 5 CO: Combinatorics ----------------- math.CO/0410335 Sonja Lj. Cukic, Dmitry N. Kozlov: Higher connectivity of graph coloring complexes math.CO/0410334 Raymond Hemmecke: Exploiting Symmetries in the Computation of Graver Bases math.CO/0410319 L. Friess: Die Anzahl der Faerbungen ebener Graphen math.CO/0410308 Elena Fuchs: Longest Induced Cycles on Cayley Graphs math.CO/0410301 Peter McNamara: Cylindric skew Schur functions math.CO/0410289 Raymond Hemmecke: Computation of Atomic Fibers of Z-Linear Maps math.CO/0410222 William Y.C. Chen, Qing-Hu Hou, Yan-Ping Mu: Applicability of the $q$-Analogue of Zeilbergers Algorithm math.CO/0410218 B. Bollobas, V. Nikiforov: The sum of degrees in cliques math.CO/0410217 B. Bollobas, V. Nikiforov: Joints in graphs math.CO/0410216 V. Nikiforov: The smallest eigenvalue of K_p-free graphs cs.DM/0410013 Alex Vinokur: Fibonacci connection between Huffman codes and Wythoff array CT: Category Theory ------------------- math.CT/0410328 Toby Bartels: Categorified gauge theory: Two-bundles math.CT/0410230 Mark Weber: Operads within monoidal pseudo algebras CV: Complex Variables --------------------- math.CV/0410296 Pengfei Guan: Extremal function of intrinsic norms math.CV/0410294 Andrew McIntyre, Leon A. Takhtajan: Holomorphic factorization of determinants of laplacians on Riemann surfaces and a higher genus generalization of Kroneckers first limit formula math.CV/0410274 Y.Peterzil, S.Starchenko: Subanalytic sets and complex analytic geometry DG: Differential Geometry ------------------------- math.DG/0410332 D. Auroux, S. K. Donaldson, L. Katzarkov: Singular Lefschetz pencils math.DG/0410314 Wayne Rossman: Infinite Periodic Discrete Minimal Surfaces Without Self-Intersections math.DG/0410312 Mikhail G. Katz, Stephane Sabourau: Entropy of systolically extremal surfaces and asymptotic bounds math.DG/0410260 Yat-Ming Chan: Desingularizations of Calabi-Yau 3-folds with a conical singularity math.DG/0410239 Toshiki Mabuchi: An energy-theoretic approach to the Hitchin-Kobayashi correspondence for manifolds, II math.DG/0410232 Gabriela P. Ovando: Invariant pseudo Kaehler metrics in dimension four math.DG/0410215 D. Kotschick: Entropies, volumes, and Einstein metrics DS: Dynamical Systems --------------------- math.DS/0410316 John Franks: Erratum to Generalizations of the Poincare-Birkhoff Theorem math.DS/0410310 A. J. Roberts, I. G. Kevrekidis: Higher order accuracy in the gap-tooth scheme for large-scale solutions using microscopic simulators math.DS/0410299 Minoru Ogawa: A sufficient condition for pseudointegrable systems with weak mixing property math.DS/0410237 M.F. Kondratieva, S.Yu. Sadov: Two-system of a Hamiltonian system math.DS/0410231 Stefano Luzzatto, Ian Melbourne, Frederic Paccaut: The Lorenz attractor is mixing FA: Functional Analysis ----------------------- math.FA/0410286 D. Q. Cao, Dongsheng Liu, Charles H.-T. Wang: Three Dimensional Nonlinear Dynamics of Slender Structures: Cosserat Rod Element Approach math.FA/0410256 Jesus M. F. Castillo, Yolanda Moreno: Extensions by spaces of continuous functions GM: General Mathematics ----------------------- cs.GT/0410018 Petra Berenbrink, Leslie Ann Goldberg, Paul Goldberg, Russell Martin: Utilitarian resource assignment math.GM/0410241 Sebastian Martin Ruiz: A congruence with the Euler totient function math.GM/0410234 Sergey Sadov: On a necessary and sufficient cyclicity condition for a quadrilateral GN: General Topology -------------------- math.GT/0410329 Louis H. Kauffman: Knot Diagrammatics GT: Geometric Topology ---------------------- math.GT/0410326 Clifford Henry Taubes: Minimal surfaces in germs of hyperbolic 3--manifolds math.GT/0410321 J. O. Button: Fibred and Virtually Fibred hyperbolic 3-manifolds in the censuses math.GT/0410300 Peter Ozsvath, Zoltan Szabo: Knot Floer homology and integer surgeries math.GT/0410288 F. Deloup, D. Garber, S. Kaplan, M. Teicher: Palindromic Braids math.GT/0410278 Martin Scharlemann: Proximity in the curve complex: boundary reduction and bicompressible surfaces math.GT/0410275 Florian Deloup: Involutive braids math.GT/0410272 Julien Marche: Surgery on a single clasper and the 2-loop part of the Kontsevich integral math.GT/0410233 Jessica S. Purcell: Cusp Shapes of Hyperbolic Link Complements and Dehn Filling KT: K-Theory and Homology ------------------------- math.KT/0410315 Denis Perrot: The equivariant index theorem in entire cyclic cohomology math.KT/0410261 Moritz C. Kerz: The complex of words and Nakaoka stability MG: Metric Geometry ------------------- math.MG/0410324 Oleg R. Musin: The kissing problem in three dimensions math.MG/0410251 D.Siersma, M. van Manen: The nine Morse generic tetrahedra MP: Mathematical Physics ------------------------ math-ph/0410038 Alexander Elgart, Laszlo Erdos, Benjamin Schlein, Horng-Tzer Yau: Gross-Pitaevskii Equation as the Mean Field Limit of Weakly Coupled Bosons math-ph/0410037 Joseph V. Pule, Andre F. Verbeure, Valentin A. Zagrebnov: A Dicke Type Model for Equilibrium BEC Superradiance math-ph/0410027 Naqing Xie: A Generalized Positive Energy Theorem for Spaces with Asymptotic SUSY Compactification cond-mat/0410320 Luis Morales-Molina, Franz G. Mertens, Angel Sanchez: Ratchet behavior in nonlinear Klein-Gordon systems with point-like inhomogeneities nlin.SI/0410016 Fabio Musso, Matteo Petrera, Orlando Ragnisco: Algebraic extensions of Gaudin models math-ph/0410036 Hellmut Baumgaertel: On Lax-Phillips semigroups math-ph/0410035 Richard L. Hall, Qutaibeh D. Katatbeh, Nasser Saad: A basis for variational calculations in d dimensions cond-mat/0410192 Kazumitsu Sakai, Andreas Klumper: Non-dissipative Thermal Transport and Magnetothermal Effect for the Spin-1/2 Heisenberg Chain quant-ph/0410079 D. B. Cervantes, S. L. Quiroga, L. J. Perissinotti, M. Socolovsky: Improper transformations of non relativistic spin 1/2 spinors math-ph/0410034 R. Aldrovandi, A. L. Barbosa: Wu-Yang ambiguity in connection space math-ph/0410033 Marcel Griesemer: Non-relativistic Matter and Quantized Radiation hep-th/0408079 Davide Fioravanti: Geometrical Loci and CFTs via the Virasoro Symmetry of the mKdV-SG hierarchy: an excursus quant-ph/0410050 Gerardo Adesso, Fabrizio Illuminati: Multipartite Entanglement and its Polygamy in Continuous Variable Systems nlin.SI/0409050 P.M. Santini, M. Nieszporski, A. Doliwa: An integrable generalization of the Toda law to the square lattice math-ph/0410032 T. Spencer, M.R. Zirnbauer: Spontaneous symmetry breaking of a hyperbolic sigma model in three dimensions math-ph/0410031 A. Wereszczynski: Nested Multi-Soliton Solutions with Arbitrary Hopf Index math-ph/0410030 Guido Gentile, Daniel A. Cortez, Joao C. A. Barata: Stability for quasi-periodically perturbed Hills equations math-ph/0410029 Roland Friedrich: On Connections of Conformal Field Theory and Stochastic L{oe}wner Evolution math-ph/0410028 Mark Naber: Time fractional Schrodinger equation math-ph/0410026 Jining Gao: The Maurer-Cartan structure of BRST differential math-ph/0410025 Hayriye Tutunculer, Ramazan Koc: Differential Realizations of the Two-Mode Bosonic and Fermionic Hamiltonians: A unified Approach hep-th/0410083 Antonino Flachi, Alan Knapman, Wade Naylor, Misao Sasaki: Zeta Functions in Brane World Cosmology cond-mat/0410159 L. Diago-Cisneros, H. Rodriguez-Coppola, R. Perez-Alvarez, P. Pereyra: Symmetries and General Principies in the Multiband Effective Mass Theory: A Transfer Matrix Study math-ph/0410024 Xu-Dong Luo, Han-Ying Guo, Yu-Qi Li, Ke Wu: Difference Discrete Variational Principle in Discrete Mechanics and Symplectic Algorithm NT: Number Theory ----------------- math.NT/0410333 Lev A. Borisov: Holomorphic Eisenstein series with Jacobian twists math.NT/0410297 Bernd C. Kellner: A conjecture about numerators of Bernoulli numbers related to Integer Sequence A092291 math.NT/0410292 Alexander Schmidt: Tame class field theory for arithmetic schemes math.NT/0410270 T. W. Hilberdink, M. L. Lapidus: Beurling Zeta Functions, Generalised Primes, and Fractal Membranes math.NT/0410266 John Voight: Binary quadratic forms that represent almost the same primes math.NT/0410246 Yuri F. 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Duncan: Explicit construction and uniqueness for universal operator algebras of directed graphs math.OA/0410235 Marius Junge: Embedding of OH and logarithmic `little Grothendieck inequality math.OA/0410219 Ilwoo Cho: Random Variables in Graph W*-Probability Spaces OC: Optimization and Control ---------------------------- math.OC/0410277 Michael Malisoff, Mikhail Krichman, Eduardo Sontag: Global Stabilization for Systems Evolving on Manifolds math.OC/0410225 Raymond Hemmecke, Robert Weismantel: Integral Function Bases PR: Probability --------------- math.PR/0410336 Bela Bollobas, Oliver Riordan: The critical probability for random Voronoi percolation in the plane is 1/2 math.PR/0410331 Martin Dyer, Leslie Ann Goldberg, Mark Jerrum, Russell Martin: Markov chain comparison math.PR/0410318 B. Chauvin, A. Rouault: Connecting Yule Process, Bisection and Binary Search Tree via Martingales math.PR/0410311 Geoffrey Grimmett, Svante Janson: Branching Processes, and Random-Cluster Measures on Trees math.PR/0410298 Jianjun Tian, Xiao-Song Lin: Continuous Time Markov Processes on Graphs math.PR/0410285 Huyen Pham: On the smooth-fit property for one-dimensional optimal switching problem math.PR/0410282 Itai Benjamini, Oded Schramm, David B. Wilson: Balanced Boolean functions that can be evaluated so that every input bit is unlikely to be read math.PR/0410276 A. Ruzmaikina, M. Aizenman: Characterization of invariant measures at the math.PR/0410236 Davar Khoshnevisan, David A. Levin, Pedro J. Mendez-Hernandez: Capacities in Wiener Space, Quasi-Sure Lower Functions, and Kolmogorovs Epsilon-Entropy math.PR/0410227 R. Ferriere, A. Guionnet, I. Kurkova: Timescales of population rarity and commonness in random environments QA: Quantum Algebra ------------------- math.QA/0410322 Gaetano Fiore: New approach to Hermitian q-differential operators on R_q^N math.QA/0410291 Hiroshige Kajiura, Jim Stasheff: Homotopy algebras inspired by classical open-closed string field theory hep-th/0410084 Yas-Hiro Quano: Form factors, correlation functions and vertex operators in the eight-vertex model at reßectionless points math.QA/0410263 Julien Bichon, Giovanna Carnovale: Lazy cohomology: an analogue of the Schur multiplier for arbitrary Hopf algebras math.QA/0410247 Jining Gao: $L_{infty}$ algebra structures of Lie algebra deformations math.QA/0410238 Marta M. Asaeda, Jozef H. Przytycki, Adam S. Sikora: A categorification of the skein module of tangles hep-th/0410086 N.A. Gromov, V.V. Kuratov: Quantum kinematics RA: Rings and Algebras ---------------------- math.RA/0410317 Heide Gluesing-Luerssen, Wiland Schmale: On doubly-cyclic convolutional codes math.RA/0410226 Bilbo Baggins, Laurent Bartholdi: Branch Rings, Thinned Rings, Tree Enveloping Rings RT: Representation Theory ------------------------- math.RT/0410339 Volodymyr Mazorchuk, Catharina Stroppel: On functors associated to a simple root math.RT/0410325 K. Baur: A normal form for admissible characters in the sense of Lynch math.RT/0410302 Toshihiko Matsuki: Equivalence of domains arising from duality of orbits on ßag manifolds III math.RT/0410293 I. Gordon, J.T.Stafford: Rational Cherednik algebras and Hilbert schemes II: representations and sheaves math.RT/0410273 Franc{c}ois Rodier: Errata `a ``Sur les representations non ramifiees des groupes reductifs $p$-adiques; lexemple de ${rm GSp}(4)$ math.RT/0410242 Yuri A. Neretin: On compression of Bruhat-Tits buildings SG: Symplectic Geometry ----------------------- math.SG/0410338 Michael Entov, Leonid Polterovich: Quasi-states and symplectic intersections math.SG/0410243 D. Kotschick: Free circle actions with contractible orbits on symplectic manifolds SP: Spectral Theory ------------------- math.SP/0410307 R.F. Efendiev: The characterization problem for one class high order ordinary differential operators with periodic coefficients math.ST/0410280 Olivier Catoni: Improved Vapnik Cervonenkis bounds ST: Statistics -------------- q-bio.GN/0410012 Satya N. Majumdar, Sergei Nechaev: Exact Asymptotic Results for a Model of Sequence Alignment math.ST/0410271 J.J. Lok: Statistical modelling of causal effects in continuous time -- / Greg Kuperberg (UC Davis) / Home page: http://www.math.ucdavis.edu/~greg/ / Visit the Math ArXiv Front at http://front.math.ucdavis.edu/ / * All the math thats fit to e-print * === Subject: new products in geometric algebra Ive been studying some of the additional operations defined in the literature on geometric algebra, AKA Clifford algebra. There are some very interesting constructions, but I am having a hard time mapping them to more common operations on the exterior algebra. One question I have: has anyone come up with a clean definition in terms of Clifford (geometric) multiplication for the inner product as defined on the exterior algebra to define the Hodge star? For A and B k-blades (i.e. the exterior products of k vectors A_i and B_j) this is the construction := det() with the result defined to be zero for blades of different grade (composed of different numbers of vectors). Even an operation that coincided with this for two k-blades would be of interest. Ive looked into various operations including: - inner product A.B := _|j-k| where A and B are j- and k-vectors - commutator product A x B := (AB - BA)/2 - contraction A J B := (A / (Bw))w^-1 where w is the volume element (pseudoscalar) and J is supposed to be a backwards L but none seem to do the job. A related item: Ive been putting the definition of the Hodge star in terms of geometric algebra operations *A = ((w^-1)A)^+ where w^-1 is the inverse of the volume element (pseudovector), and ^+ indicates reversion into some more usable (for what Im doing) forms. Can anyone verify these results? Here A is a k-blade, w is the volume element (pseudoscalar), and s is the number of negative signs in the signature of the inner product defining the Clifford algebra. *A = (-1)^(k(k-1)/2 + s) Aw *A = (w^+w)(A^+)w === Subject: Re: new products in geometric algebra Mark Adams schrieb im Newsbeitrag > One question I have: has anyone come up with a clean definition in terms > of Clifford (geometric) multiplication for the inner product as > defined on the exterior algebra to define the Hodge star? For A and B > k-blades (i.e. the exterior products of k vectors A_i and B_j) this is > the construction > := det() > with the result defined to be zero for blades of different grade > (composed of different numbers of vectors). Even an operation that > coincided with this for two k-blades would be of interest. Ive looked > into various operations including: > - inner product A.B := _|j-k| where A and B are j- and k-vectors > - commutator product A x B := (AB - BA)/2 > - contraction A J B := (A / (Bw))w^-1 where w is the volume element > (pseudoscalar) and J is supposed to be a backwards L > but none seem to do the job. I think what you are looking for is _0 , (where ^+ is reversion). You can check that this gives the desired result by looking at a convenient orthonormal basis. You can explicitly derive this expression by noting that the exterior bundle supports two mutually supercommuting copies of the Clifford algebra that you have in mind, constructed from sums and differences of operators of exterior and interior multiplication, respectively. Noting that the latter are mutual adjoints with respect to the Hodge inner product and using the symbol map you can then derive the above (up to a global sign, depending on some conventions) from the Hodge inner product. If you want to see the details have a look at pp.279 of http://www-stud.uni-essen.de/~sb0264/sqm.html . > A related item: Ive been putting the definition of the Hodge star in > terms of geometric algebra operations > *A = ((w^-1)A)^+ where w^-1 is the inverse of the volume element > (pseudovector), and ^+ indicates reversion > into some more usable (for what Im doing) forms. Can anyone verify > these results? Here A is a k-blade, w is the volume element > (pseudoscalar), and s is the number of negative signs in the signature > of the inner product defining the Clifford algebra. > *A = (-1)^(k(k-1)/2 + s) Aw > *A = (w^+w)(A^+)w This is also discussed at the above reference. I have found it very helpful to pass between Clifford calculus and exterior calculus this way when dealing with supersymmetric quantum systems. For instance hep-th/0311064 and math-ph/0407005 makes use of this. === Subject: Re: new products in geometric algebra Originator: israel@math.ubc.ca (Robert Israel) for the pointer, lots of interesting stuff! I have several questions on the details of forming a Clifford algebra from the linear operators on the exterior algebra, and the relationship of this to the quantum harmonic oscillator and thus to QFT. Is there a main reference that you used for this...or in general, can anyone recommend a book that goes through related relationships in detail from a more mathematical > Mark Adams schrieb im Newsbeitrag > One question I have: has anyone come up with a clean definition in terms > of Clifford (geometric) multiplication for the inner product as > defined on the exterior algebra to define the Hodge star? For A and B > k-blades (i.e. the exterior products of k vectors A_i and B_j) this is > the construction > := det() > with the result defined to be zero for blades of different grade > (composed of different numbers of vectors). Even an operation that > coincided with this for two k-blades would be of interest. Ive looked > into various operations including: > - inner product A.B := _|j-k| where A and B are j- and k-vectors > - commutator product A x B := (AB - BA)/2 > - contraction A J B := (A / (Bw))w^-1 where w is the volume element > (pseudoscalar) and J is supposed to be a backwards L > but none seem to do the job. > I think what you are looking for is _0 , > (where ^+ is reversion). > You can check that this gives the desired result by looking at a convenient > orthonormal basis. > You can explicitly derive this expression by noting that the exterior bundle > supports two mutually supercommuting copies of the Clifford algebra that you > have in mind, constructed from sums and differences of operators of exterior > and interior multiplication, respectively. Noting that the latter are mutual > adjoints with respect to the Hodge inner product and using the symbol map > you can then derive the above (up to a global sign, depending on some > conventions) from the Hodge inner product. > If you want to see the details have a look at pp.279 of > http://www-stud.uni-essen.de/~sb0264/sqm.html . > A related item: Ive been putting the definition of the Hodge star in > terms of geometric algebra operations > *A = ((w^-1)A)^+ where w^-1 is the inverse of the volume element > (pseudovector), and ^+ indicates reversion > into some more usable (for what Im doing) forms. Can anyone verify > these results? Here A is a k-blade, w is the volume element > (pseudoscalar), and s is the number of negative signs in the signature > of the inner product defining the Clifford algebra. > *A = (-1)^(k(k-1)/2 + s) Aw > *A = (w^+w)(A^+)w > This is also discussed at the above reference. > I have found it very helpful to pass between Clifford calculus and exterior > calculus this way when dealing with supersymmetric quantum systems. For > instance hep-th/0311064 and math-ph/0407005 makes use of this. === Subject: Library for Subgraph matching and graph dissimilarity Hi all... I have two graphs G1 and G2 labeled along nodes and edges. I have to get a pattern/ subgraph from these two graphs such that this subgraph captures those nodes and edges in G1 which are not included in G2. i.e there is a subgraph of G1 which is changed in G2. Rest of G1 in G2 is not changed and I need to capture this subgraph. These are NP complete problems as far as I know. I request you to suggest me an optimum way to do this. Is there any library or tool which does this. Vipindeep === Subject: Integral equations of first kind Good Morning, I am working with the integral equations of first kind on an annular in R^3. I have to prove the unicity of the solution, Numerically, i have a well conditionned matrix, but theorically i dont know how to prove it. In fact, i dont know which methods use for the equations of first kind. ive tried with the alternative of Fredholm, it helps me to prove the unicity in the quotient space but not in the space itself (what i want to prove) ! So, i would like to ask if someone can help me , maybe with some theorems of fixed point ..... Zimar. === Subject: Re: Category of categories axiomatically >> How to define the category of (locally small) categories axiomatically? > Maybe my question is on a highly sensitive issue in Category Theory, which > explains there are no replies ^_^. Indeed it is not clear that the notion > of category of categories makes sense. The question does make sense. But you have to be careful. There is a lots of things known about the category Cat of small categories: it is locally small, complete, cocomplete, cartesian closed, etc... I believe that considering three Grothendieck universes U subset V subset W is sufficient to solve most of the problems of size. The unique rule is then: instead of talking about sets, collections, and I dont know what next, use the term U-small set, V-small set, W-small set. A U-small set has a U-small cardinal. etc... In other terms, at each step, specify cleary to which universe the set under consideration belongs. Instead of talking about small category, use the term U-small category, i.e. a U-small set of U-small objects with U-small homsets : denote by Cat_U the corresponding V-small and locally U-small category. Instead of talking about locally small category, use the term locally U-small category, i.e. a V-small set of U-small objects with U-small homsets. Denote by CAT_U the corresponding category: if I dont make any mistake, CAT_U is certainly not V-small, but is W-small because CAT_U subset Cat_V and the latter is W-small. Since Cat_V is V-complete, it is U-complete. So I believe (but I did not check that) that CAT_U is U-complete as well: the only thing you have to check is that a U-small limit in CAT_U stays inside CAT_U. CAT_U is probably U-cocomplete as well. CAT_U is probably not cartesian closed however because the obvious candidat for HOM(C,D) is the category of functors from C to D. And it is well-known that HOM(C,D) is in CAT_U iff C is essentially U-small (i.e. equivalent to a U-small category). etc... pg. === Subject: Re: Category of categories axiomatically Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) > CAT_U. CAT_U is probably U-cocomplete as well. CAT_U is probably not > cartesian closed however because the obvious candidat for HOM(C,D) is > the category of functors from C to D. And it is well-known that > HOM(C,D) is in CAT_U iff C is essentially U-small (i.e. equivalent to > a U-small category). etc... A small mistake : D=Set is understood. For over category D, the statement above may be false. The very-known statement I had in mind is the: a category of presheaves is locally small iff the base category (C here) is essentially small. pg. === Subject: Re: Category of categories axiomatically > I dont believe Lawveres axioms were completely successful for > foundational purposes; IIRC, Isbell pointed out that the category > of categories whose only endomorphisms are identities satisfied > AFAIK, no one has followed up on this particular direction. Blanc, Georges and Donnadieu, Marie-Rene Axiomatisation de la catgorie des catgories, Cahiers Topologie Gom. Diffrentielle 17, no. 2, 135--170, 1976 David. === Subject: Re: Category of categories axiomatically Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) > I dont believe Lawveres axioms were completely successful for > foundational purposes; IIRC, Isbell pointed out that the category > of categories whose only endomorphisms are identities satisfied > AFAIK, no one has followed up on this particular direction. > Blanc, Georges and Donnadieu, Marie-Ren?e > Axiomatisation de la cat?gorie des cat?gories, > Cahiers Topologie G?om. Diff?rentielle 17, no. 2, 135--170, 1976 > David. Eventually, Lawvere added a new axiom to get rid of Isbells objection. But it still wasnt overly successful. He was really trying to get at set theory without membership and in this toposes were completely successful. Part of the problem with the question is that you havent said what axioms you are using for a category. If you go back to General theory of natural equivalences, the Eilenberg-Mac Lane paper that started it all, there were no hom sets. Just a bucket of arrows along with a law of partical composition and identities, subject to the obvious identities. Notice that this is (or anyway can be) carried out in a pre-set-theoretic universe and has exactly the same epistomological status as axioms for set theory which, unavoidably, must be carried out in a pre-set-theoretic universe. In that setting, there is no problem with the categories of categories. The arrows are functors and the identities (or objects, if you insist) are categories. If you are doing it within set theory, you have some choices. There is the category of small categories, which is no more problematic than the category of groups. You can use Grothendieck universes, which a previous writer mentioned. That ought to be banned on pure esthetic grounds, especially as it never plays the slightest role except that of uglification. Or you can ignore the whole question and if someone calls you on it, you say it is a metaphorical way of using universes without mentioning them explicitly. You are not going to make any construction--believe me on this--that cannot be coded into universes. This last thing is what I have always done. === Subject: Does this definition of dim 2 n-free poset exterior ring any bells with anyone? Let H be the Hasse diagram of any dim 2 n-free poset and let Hp be any natural plane embedding of H. Then inasmuch as Hp is a DAG whose edges are defined by the immediate covering relations in H, one can assign the integer d to each vertex v of Hp, where d is the depth of v in Hp interpreted as a DAG (i.e. the number of vertices in Hp which are ancestors of v, excluding v itself.) Further, since Hp is embedded in the plane relative to the geometry of the paper, a left-right or horizontal ordering of the vertices of Hp results from its embedding in the plane. That is, we can assign the numbers p and t to each vertex v of Hp, where: p is the number of vertices to the left of v in Hp t is the number of vertices to the right of v in Hp. And it is readily shown that because Hp is both dim 2 and n-free: a) the values (p0+d0),...,(pi+di),...,(pn+dn) for the n+1 vertices of Hp are 0,...,n+1 b) the values (t0+d0),...,(ti+di),...,(tn+dn) for the n+1 vertices of Hp are a permutation of 0,...,n+1. Suppose now, however, that one uses the integers pi, ti, di to assign each vertex v of Hp the triple of integers (pi,ti,di). And further, suppose that one defines the exterior of Hp as just those vertices in Hp for which at least one of pi,ti,di is 0. And finally, suppose that one defines the exterior union of Hp as the union of all the exteriors of all the subgraphs of Hp which are themselves interpretable as Hasse diagrams of dim 2 n-free posets. Does this notion of exterior union ring any bells with anyone ?? considering this matter. === Subject: TOC / Index for the 3 Notebooks of Ramanujan Epigone-thread: doichayßon [Firstly, I would like to know if there is a facility in this User Group to upload a document.] Pl read on ... published by TIFR in 2 Volumes. Then, as I wanted to read the proofs of Ramanujans Theorems as published by Bruce C Berndt in his 5-Part books, I noticed that there is an obvious strong refernce made to the 3 Notebooks and the 2 Volumes of TIFR. I then thought that it is very essential at least for a beginner like me to have some form of a quick-reference TOC / index to these creations of Ramanujan. This effort was relatively easier wrt the so-called organized parts, the 21 Chapters ; however, I need some help to update (and correct) parts that I have described as Misc in my prepared document. I have categorized Misc itself into 3 main types. It would be great if someone could help me state the split of appropriate subject(s) for these Misc Pages. For eg, in Volume I, ie, NB 1, I could count a total of 121 pages - marked *under my so-called Misc category. Since it is claimed that there are 100 Unorganized pages in NB 1, I would like to know which 100 pages of these 121 pages fall in the Unorganized category. Now, how do I upload my document (SR_NBs_TOC_Index.doc) ? If there is no such facility to upload documents in this User Group, interested readers can request me by sending me a mail to my email id : sundarkrishnan@hotmail.com Sundar Krishnan [ Moderators Note. sci.math.research newsgroup does not include documents. Offering to send by email is one way. Another is to post it on a web page, then tell us the URL here. ] === Subject: HyperGeometric Series Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) I am not an expert in HyperGeometric Series and Functions [from now on, I use the short form HG below.] Along with other basic Maths books, I have been trying to learn this subject also by reading the famous book : A Course of Modern Analysis (Cambridge Mathematical Library), by E. T. Whittaker, G. N. Watson. [from now on, I call it the W & W book below.] Also, I realised that many of Srinivasa Ramanujans works relate to HG Fns and Series, as can also be seen in the 5-Part book authored by Bruce C Berndt. At many places, I have been able to follow the derivation of complex expressions of the W & W book, but often with slightly different expressions like say, an extra snippet of expression, a change of sign etc. And even the so-called (simple, but very appropriate to the subject at that point) Examples are sometimes difficult to answer. I would therefore like to know if there is a Solutions Manual to this book so that it is easier to learn and a little faster too - something similar to Donald Knuths books with Solutions on The Art of Computer Programming. My brief background : After working for many years in a number of companies like ABB, HP, Motorola, I have now taken up some studies in Video Compression, Error Correction Codes, DSP and Maths - Elliptical Integrals, HyperGeometric Series etc. So, I am neither a student nor a Professor, but very much keen on the above subjects. Sundar Krishnan ... PS : Interested readers may also refer to my other query : TOC / Index for the 3 Notebooks of Ramanujan. ... === Subject: Solving Quintics Using One Fifth Root Extraction Epigone-thread: cymingßu Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) Hello all, For those who like solvable quintics, heres another paper: Solving Solvable Quintics Using One Fifth Root Extraction ABSTRACT: We prove that all irreducible but solvable equations of degree n can be transformed in radicals into the binomial form y^n+c=0 using a Tschirnhaussen transformation of degree n-1. The resulting equation is then solvable by a single nth root extraction. In particular, we illustrate the method using the solvable quintic. Mathematics Subject Classification. Primary: 12E12; Secondary: 11D09 http://www.geocities.com/titus_piezas/morequintics.html Just click at the link above. Its the 2nd pdf file. -Titus (tpiezasIII@uap.edu.ph -> remove III for email) === Subject: Paper published by Algebraic and Geometric Topology Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) The following paper has been published: Algebraic and Geometric Topology URL: http://www.maths.warwick.ac.uk/agt/AGTVol4/agt-4-41.abs.html Title: Partition complexes, duality and integral tree representations Author(s): Alan Robinson Abstract: We show that the poset of non-trivial partitions of 1,2,...,n has a fundamental homology class with coefficients in a Lie superalgebra. Homological duality then rapidly yields a range of known results concerning the integral representations of the symmetric groups S_n and S_{n+1} on the homology and cohomology of this partially-ordered set. Secondary: 17B60 Keywords: Partition complex, Lie superalgebra Author(s) address(es): Mathematics Institute, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL, UK Email: car@maths.warwick.ac.uk === Subject: The extent of a plane curve Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) Call an arc in the plane convex if it is simple (i.e., 1-1 except that its endpoints may coincide) and it lies on the boundary of its convex hull. Define the extent of a curve c of length L in the plane to be the length of the shortest convex arc whose convex hull contains the (range of the) curve c. So, for example, the extent of a triangle is the sum of its two longer sides, and the extent of a circle of radius r is (2 + pi)r. This notion has a number of interesting properties, but it seems awkward to investigate. My inquiry here is whether anyone knows of any mention of the notion in the literature. --J. Wetzel === Subject: Re: The extent of a plane curve Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) > Call an arc in the plane convex if it is simple (i.e., 1-1 except that its > endpoints may coincide) and it lies on the boundary of its convex hull. > Define the extent of a curve c of length L in the plane to be the > length of the shortest convex arc whose convex hull contains the (range of > the) curve c. > So, for example, the extent of a triangle is the sum of its two longer > sides, and the extent of a circle of radius r is (2 + pi)r. This notion > has a number of interesting properties, but it seems awkward to investigate. > My inquiry here is whether anyone knows of any mention of the notion in the > literature. I dont know of any mention, but it seems like the extent can always be determined as follows: find a tangent line L to the convex hull of c, find two line segments perpendicular to L and tangent to the convex hull of c, and form an arc with these two segments and the remaining portion of the boundary of the convex hull. The only question is where to place the tangent line but (if cs convex hull is a convex polygon) this can probably be done efficiently using a rotating calipers algorithm. -- David Eppstein Computer Science Dept., Univ. of California, Irvine http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eppstein/ === Subject: Re: The extent of a plane curve Received-SPF: Received-SPF: none (mailbox9.ucsd.edu: domain of poster@giganews.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) > Call an arc in the plane convex if it is simple (i.e., 1-1 except that > its > endpoints may coincide) and it lies on the boundary of its convex hull. Define the extent of a curve c of length L in the plane to be the > length of the shortest convex arc whose convex hull contains the (range of > the) curve c. So, for example, the extent of a triangle is the sum of its two longer > sides, Why isnt the extent of a triangle the sum of lengths of it two SHORTER sides? === Subject: Re: The extent of a plane curve Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) Oops! Well, it was late at night, and ... ... ... --J. Wetzel > Why isnt the extent of a triangle the sum of lengths of it two > SHORTER sides? === Subject: algebraic sets Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) topology and that the following question comes from optimization: Let p_i be a finite set of k relatively prime polynomials, each of which maps R^n into R. I am interested in describing the boundary of the set A = {x in R^n : p_i(x) >= 0 for all i, 1 <= i <= k} as a union of manifolds. Can I do this? Specifically, I would like to say the following: Let I be an index set and let A_I = {x in R^N : p_i(x) = 0 for i in I and p_i(x) > 0 for i notin I}. Then A_I is the finite union of manifolds of dim <= cardinality(I). I have been told that a semialgebraic subset of R^n (like A) can be written as a union of manifolds of decreasing dimension, but I have not seen this result stated anywhere. I have seen a result that says a semialgebraic set is composed of a disjoint union of connected semialgebraic sets, but these are not quite what I want. Could someone point out some results for me in this direction and where I might find them written down? Even results requiring additional hypotheses would be welcome. === Subject: Re: algebraic sets Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) Hi all, I will make another post after absorbing all of this, which may take a little while. One point I want to make now is that it is important to me that I can describe the boundary of my set A as a union of sets of the form A_I, and that the relationship between the codimension of A_I and the cardinality of I is very important. Cory === Subject: Re: algebraic sets Received-SPF: Received-SPF: none (mailbox5.ucsd.edu: domain of mod-submit@uni-berlin.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) > topology and that the following question comes from optimization: > Let p_i be a finite set of k relatively prime polynomials, each of > which maps R^n into R. I am interested in describing the boundary of > the set > A = {x in R^n : p_i(x) >= 0 for all i, 1 <= i <= k} > as a union of manifolds. Can I do this? Specifically, I would like to > say the following: > Let I be an index set and let > A_I = {x in R^N : p_i(x) = 0 for i in I and p_i(x) > 0 for i notin > I}. > Then A_I is the finite union of manifolds of dim <= cardinality(I). > I have been told that a semialgebraic subset of R^n (like A) can be > written as a union of manifolds of decreasing dimension, but I have > not seen this result stated anywhere. I have seen a result that says > a semialgebraic set is composed of a disjoint union of connected > semialgebraic sets, but these are not quite what I want. > Could someone point out some results for me in this direction and > where I might find them written down? Even results requiring > additional hypotheses would be welcome. more or less (read: dim <= n=N) ... and with some handwaving (i always feel a little bit unsure switching to the real case, so feel free to correct ...) it should go like this: First you need the notion of Ôreduced as {x: p(x)=0} = {x: p(x)^2=0}, it means you can ignore multiple zeros if you are only interested in the algebraic set, just accept that this can be done through algebra. Then you need: for a reduced space the set of singularities is algebraic and has lower dimension. Here Ôsingularities means, that the defining polynomials P have a Hessian which has not maximal rank. The complement are the regular points - they are open and dense (but need not have the full dimension or are connected over the reals, think of the transversal union of a line and a plane in R^3) and are manifolds. With that you can proceed by induction (giving a stratification): Reduce your X={x in R^n: p_i(x)=0, all i} which does not change the space. For Reg(X) you are done and for Sing(X) you know it by induction on dim(X). Not correct is ... dim <= cardinality(I). What you possibly do not want to have for optimization is: if you Ôclose that sub-manifolds (by coming from interior points) they may become singular again (look at Neils parabola x1^3=x2^2 which homeomorph is just R^1 ... you loose a lot of Ôglobal informations of embedding in R^n by that stratification) & there should be other Ôbad examples (Whitneys umbrella?). -- use mail for mail not nonail === Subject: Re: algebraic sets Epigone-thread: derlyoltrand Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) >topology and that the following question comes from optimization: >Let p_i be a finite set of k relatively prime polynomials, each of >which maps R^n into R. I am interested in describing the boundary of >the set >A = {x in R^n : p_i(x) >= 0 for all i, 1 <= i <= k} >as a union of manifolds. Can I do this? In a word, yes. This comes under the heading stratification theory where it is a well-known theorem that a semi-algebraic set admits a Whitney stratification, i.e., admits a partition into smooth connected manifolds, called strata, which fit together nicely, meaning roughly that if M and N are strata and M lies in the boundary of N, then M admits a tubular neighborhood in N which projects onto M in a locally trivial way. In the semi-algebraic case, the strata may be taken to be real analytic manifolds. One useful (but densely written) reference for this general area is Masahiro Shiota, Geometry of Subanalytic and Semialgebraic Sets (Birkhauser, 1997). See especially section I.2 on Whitney stratifications for semi-algebraic sets, and the existence of the so-called canonical stratification. A great deal of this has been generalized to other settings, within axiomatic frameworks with important ties to model theory. Besides Shiotas axiomatics, one should mention o-minimal structures. An accessible reference is van den Dries, Tame Topology and O-minimal Structures (London Math. Soc. Lecture Note Series 248, 1998) where so-called cell decompositions play an important role for stratification theory. (A key point made in this work is that much of the structure theory of semi-algebraic sets ßows from the Tarski-Seidenberg theorem.) Todd Trimble === Subject: Re: algebraic sets Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) > and that the following question comes from optimization: > Let p_i be a finite set of k relatively prime polynomials, each of which > maps R^n into R. I am interested in describing the boundary of the set > A = {x in R^n : p_i(x) >= 0 for all i, 1 <= i <= k} > as a union of manifolds. Can I do this? yes, I believe so. It can be described as a stratified set, which is what you are aiming at. > Specifically, I would like to say > the following: > Let I be an index set and let > A_I = {x in R^N : p_i(x) = 0 for i in I and p_i(x) > 0 for i notin > I}. > Then A_I is the finite union of manifolds of dim <= cardinality(I). [Later corrected to co-dimension rather than dimension] Well, the second part of your condition does not seem to add anything, other than restricting to the appropriate open set in the ambient space. The first part should be the important part of the statement. > Could someone point out some results for me in this direction and where > I might find them written down? Look for references to stratified sets. I remember reading about this years ago, but I dont have any references handy. I used this idea at the time to deal with a max/min problem on a set defined by a collection of (real) polynomials. The tangent space at each point is still determined by the various gradients of the defining functions, for each of the strata. -- David L. Johnson __o | Arguing with an engineer is like mud wrestling with a pig... You _`(,_ | soon find out the pig likes it! (_)/ (_) | === Subject: Re: algebraic sets Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) Sorry, a few clarifications. First, when I say relatively prime, I mean that the polynomials do not share a commom factor. (I dont know if this definition is standard.) Second, I want the set A_I to be composed of manifolds with CO-dimension at least card(I) or, equivalently, of dimension at most N-card(I). > topology and that the following question comes from optimization: > Let p_i be a finite set of k relatively prime polynomials, each of > which maps R^n into R. I am interested in describing the boundary of > the set > A = {x in R^n : p_i(x) >= 0 for all i, 1 <= i <= k} > as a union of manifolds. Can I do this? Specifically, I would like to > say the following: > Let I be an index set and let > A_I = {x in R^N : p_i(x) = 0 for i in I and p_i(x) > 0 for i notin > I}. > Then A_I is the finite union of manifolds of dim <= cardinality(I). > I have been told that a semialgebraic subset of R^n (like A) can be > written as a union of manifolds of decreasing dimension, but I have > not seen this result stated anywhere. I have seen a result that says > a semialgebraic set is composed of a disjoint union of connected > semialgebraic sets, but these are not quite what I want. > Could someone point out some results for me in this direction and > where I might find them written down? Even results requiring > additional hypotheses would be welcome. === Subject: Re: algebraic sets Epigone-thread: derlyoltrand Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) >Sorry, a few clarifications. First, when I say relatively prime, I >mean that the polynomials do not share a commom factor. (I dont know >if this definition is standard.) Second, I want the set A_I to be >composed of manifolds with CO-dimension at least card(I) or, >equivalently, of dimension at most N-card(I). >> topology and that the following question comes from optimization: >> Let p_i be a finite set of k relatively prime polynomials, each of >> which maps R^n into R. I am interested in describing the boundary of >> the set >> A = {x in R^n : p_i(x) >= 0 for all i, 1 <= i <= k} so we talk about the set B= {x in R^n : p_i(x) = 0 for all i, 1 <= i <= k} There are two problems you run into here. The first one is that you are only interested in real points. A large part of algebraic geometry is known only over algebraically closed fields. I cant comment on you situation without knowing something on your polynomials. However, generally speaking you need to find some topological invariant to do this for you. You can see spectacular examples in: 1) Mikhalkins paper in the Annals math.AG/0010018 2) B. Gross and J. Harris, Real algebraic curves, Ann. scient. ́Ec. Norm. Sup. 14 (1981), 157182, MR 83a:14028, Zbl 0533.1401 The second problem is that the dimension of an intersection is the expected dimension only generically. Example: the set {(x,y)| x=y=x+y=0}. What you want to look at to analyse this problem is the excess intersection formula. memoirs notebook. HTH D.L. >> as a union of manifolds. Can I do this? Specifically, I would like to >> say the following: >> Let I be an index set and let >> A_I = {x in R^N : p_i(x) = 0 for i in I and p_i(x) > 0 for i notin >> I}. >> Then A_I is the finite union of manifolds of dim <= cardinality(I). >> I have been told that a semialgebraic subset of R^n (like A) can be >> written as a union of manifolds of decreasing dimension, but I have >> not seen this result stated anywhere. I have seen a result that says >> a semialgebraic set is composed of a disjoint union of connected >> semialgebraic sets, but these are not quite what I want. >> Could someone point out some results for me in this direction and >> where I might find them written down? Even results requiring >> additional hypotheses would be welcome. === Subject: Open problem Epigone-thread: vayspunquem Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) Let X be a normed space and let M denote the set of all unit bounded linear functionals on X. I would like to know if for every a and b in X, there exists f and g in M such that the modulus of f(a)g(b)+f(b)g(a) is >= to 1. === Subject: Re: Open problem Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) > for every a and b in X, there exists f and g > in M such that the modulus of > f(a)g(b)+f(b)g(a) > is >= to 1. Unless I misunderstood you completely, that fails for a=0. === Subject: Re: Open problem Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) >Let X be a normed space and let M denote the set of all unit bounded >linear functionals on X. >I would like to know if for every a and b in X, there exists f and g >in M such that the modulus of >f(a)g(b)+f(b)g(a) >is >= to 1. I assume you mean to have ||a|| = ||b|| = 1, since without some such condition the question is trivial. Then the answer is no. We may assume wlog that X is spanned by a and b. Note that f(a)g(b) + f(b)g(a) = g(f(a)b+f(b)a). This < 1 for all g in M iff ||f(a)b + f(b)a|| < 1. So an equivalent question is: Does there exist f in M such that ||f(a)b + f(b)a|| >= 1? Consider X = R^2 with the infinity norm, ||[x,y]||_infty = max(|x|,|y|). The dual space is identified as R^2 with the 1-norm ||[x,y]||_1 = |x|+|y|. Let a = [sqrt(2)-1,1] and b = [1,1-sqrt(2)]. Then if f = [x,y] with |x|+|y|<=1, f(a) b + f(b) a = 2 (sqrt(2)-1) [x+y, x-y] and so ||f(a) b + f(b) a||_infinity <= 2 (sqrt(2)-1) (|x|+|y|) < 1. Robert Israel israel@math.ubc.ca Department of Mathematics http://www.math.ubc.ca/~israel University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC, Canada === Subject: have you seen this sequence? Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) Essentially, Im wondering whether the following sequence, which I encountered by chance, seems sufficiently interesting to be added to Sloanes encyclopaedia, and incidentally whether someone has met it before or has anything worth while to say about it. It is probably easier to show how it is constructed rather than to try to describe it in words (here for the first 30 terms): 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 3 3 1 2 1 2 3 3 1 2 1 2 3 3 1 2 1 2 3 3 1 2 1 2 3 3 1 2 1 2 3 3 1 2 4 4 3 4 1 2 1 2 3 3 1 2 4 4 3 4 1 2 1 2 3 3 1 2 1 2 3 3 1 2 4 4 3 4 1 2 5 5 3 5 1 2 4 5 3 4 1 2 1 2 3 3 1 2 1 2 3 3 1 2 4 4 3 4 1 2 5 5 3 5 1 2 4 5 3 4 6 6 1 2 6 3 start with a sequence of 1s on the first line; then replace every other 1 by a 2 to form the second line; then replace every third 1 by a 3 and every third 2 by a 3 to form the third line; then replace every fourth 1, every fourth 2 and every fourth 3 by a 4; and so on. The sequence I speak of is the limit of these: it is obvious that, whatever the (finite) number of terms that are to be produced, after a certain number of lines the terms in question arent affected any more. gives an idea of what the sequence looks like for a largish number of terms (2520, chosen because it is the LCM of the integers from 1 through 10). Experimentally it seems that the supremum of the n first terms of the sequence grows like sqrt(4n/3). One could also ask for the density of 1s among the n first term, which can probably be computed since the 1s are selected from a kind of sieving process (remove every other 1, then every third, then every fourth, and so on), remeniscent to that for primes or lucky numbers. So, is this a worthy candidate for inclusion in Sloane? -- David A. Madore (david.madore@ens.fr, http://www.dma.ens.fr/~madore/ ) === Subject: Re: have you seen this sequence? Epigone-thread: thoochahprou Originator: israel@math.ubc.ca (Robert Israel) Experimentally it seems that the supremum of the n first terms of the sequence grows like sqrt(4n/3). Seems true. Let (a(n))_{n>=1} denotes the considered sequence and let M(n) be the supremum sequence : M(n)=Max{a(k):1<=k<=n} Then I believe there is this exact rule: M(3k^2)=2k for k>=1 Max{a(k):1<=k<=3}=2 Max{a(k):1<=k<=12}=4 Max{a(k):1<=k<=27}=6 Max{a(k):1<=k<=48}=8 ... Does this inequality holds ? abs(M(n)-sqrt(4n/3))<1 Regarding the density of 1s : letting b(n)=#{1<=k<=n : a(k)=1} I observed : 0<=M(n)-b(n)<=1 I was wrong regarding the sequence of indices of occurrences of 1s in (a(n)) : it is not the Favius sieve but it looks like. This is truly an interesting sequence and I hope someone will like to explore it further and prove above facts or other facts. B. Cloitre === Subject: Re: have you seen this sequence? Epigone-thread: thoochahprou Originator: israel@math.ubc.ca (Robert Israel) I found a related sequence but with a simpler rule : http://www.research.att.com/projects/OEIS?Anum=A055881 There is a comment in order to construct A055881 which can be rewritten as follows : to construct A055881 sequence start with a line of 1s : 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 .... second step : replace 1 by 2 every 2 1s : 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 third step : replace 2 by 3 every 3 2s : 1 2 1 2 1 3 1 2 1 2 1 3 1 2 1 2 etc. Your sequence is also a k! periodic sequence at k-th step. But the structure is very reach and more complicate. I cant have access to your link. Could you provide 1000 first terms in my email? If Im not wrong the sequence of Occurrence of 1s in your sequence (1,3,7,13,19,27,) is given by the Flavius Josephus sieve : http://www.research.att.com/projects/OEIS?Anum=A000960 Should be interesting to know what is the sequence of occurrences of 2s (2,4,8,14,20,28,) divided by 2. B. Cloitre >Essentially, Im wondering whether the following sequence, which I >encountered by chance, seems sufficiently interesting to be added to >Sloanes encyclopaedia, and incidentally whether someone has met it >before or has anything worth while to say about it. >It is probably easier to show how it is constructed rather than to try >to describe it in words (here for the first 30 terms): >1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 >1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 >1 2 1 2 3 3 1 2 1 2 3 3 1 2 1 2 3 3 1 2 1 2 3 3 1 2 1 2 3 3 >1 2 1 2 3 3 1 2 4 4 3 4 1 2 1 2 3 3 1 2 4 4 3 4 1 2 1 2 3 3 >1 2 1 2 3 3 1 2 4 4 3 4 1 2 5 5 3 5 1 2 4 5 3 4 1 2 1 2 3 3 >1 2 1 2 3 3 1 2 4 4 3 4 1 2 5 5 3 5 1 2 4 5 3 4 6 6 1 2 6 3 >start with a sequence of 1s on the first line; then replace every >other 1 by a 2 to form the second line; then replace every third 1 by >a 3 and every third 2 by a 3 to form the third line; then replace >every fourth 1, every fourth 2 and every fourth 3 by a 4; and so on. >The sequence I speak of is the limit of these: it is obvious that, >whatever the (finite) number of terms that are to be produced, after a >certain number of lines the terms in question arent affected any >more. > http://www. eleves.ens.fr:8080/home/madore/.misc/seq.pngan idea of what the sequence looks like for a largish number of terms >(2520, chosen because it is the LCM of the integers from 1 through >10). Experimentally it seems that the supremum of the n first terms >of the sequence grows like sqrt(4n/3). One could also ask for the >density of 1s among the n first term, which can probably be computed >since the 1s are selected from a kind of sieving process (remove >every other 1, then every third, then every fourth, and so on), >remeniscent to that for primes or lucky numbers. >So, is this a worthy candidate for inclusion in Sloane? >-- > David A. Madore > (david.madore@ens.fr, > http://www.dma.ens.fr/~ madore/ ) === Subject: Re: have you seen this sequence? Epigone-thread: thoochahprou Originator: bergv@math.uiuc.edu (Maarten Bergvelt) As you said this looks like lucky numbers but I never seen it. Clearly it is an interesting sequence. You should submit it directly via the automatic form avalaible at : http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/Submit.html Neil Sloane will decide and in this case Im certain he will accept your sequence. Check first whether it is not already in the database (check it with superseeker too). A related sequence could be the first occurence of n which seems begin : 1,2,5,9,15,... The behaviour of the supremum is interesting. It looks like this one : http://www.research.att.com/projects/OEIS?Anum=A080096 B. Cloitre