mm-129
David Ullrich says: And yes, identity is in
_fact_ re呈xive. To> refute that statement you need to give
an> example of something which is not identical> to itself.
The idea that there is something> which is _not_ identical to
itself is simply> ludicrous: ThatOs what identity _means_:
A>
thing is identical to itself and to nothing For a contrasting
standpoint, see>
*************************************************************
*> David Ullrich asks: WhatOs an example of something
thats not identical
*************************************************************
*> David Ullrich dares: Exhibit of proof of Ex~(x=x) from>
C1-C4 and someone will point out the error.>C1 AxAy[x=y ->
Az(z in x <-> z in y)] LL1>>C2 AxAy[Az(z in x <-> z in y) ->
Az(x in z <-> y in z)] LL2> >>C3 EyAx[x in y <-> Et(x in t) &
A] (with y not free in A)>>Classi'cation> >>C4 AxAy[Az(z in x
<-> z in y) -> {Et(x in t & y in t) <-> x=y}]> Weak Would
someone be kind enough help David out with a proof?>
*************************************************************
> David Ullrich remonstrates: I OblunderO by
saying that
equality is re呈xive by de'nition?> Huh. Do you have any
idea
what the word de'nition means? Homework for David
Ullrich:
1) What philosopher said: ...de'nitions are available only
for transforming> truths, not for founding them. 2) In your
own words, explain why (or why not) you think> this is true.
--John Because IOm stupid, can anyone tell me
whatOs the
point of this discussion? Because youOre stupid, why would
anyone want to bother? Because, under certain situations,
like the one you are involved,> stupidity suf'ces in
providing the answer. > True, the provability of Ex~(x=x)
will vary from one system to> the next. Nevertheless, there
is more to truth than> Otruth-in-a-modelO;> and
just as the
truth of Ex~(x is red) depends on how things stand> with
individuals and redness so the truth of Ex~(x=x) depends on>
how things stand with individuals and identity. Because
IOm
stupid, can you offer an example where Ex~(x=x) is true?
IOll
provide not one but THREE examples. The 'rst> depends on a
(very simple) proof that DAVID ULLRICH COULDNOT HACK! A)
Take
any OpureO 'rst order logic, that
is, any FOL with no>
singular terms other than variables (just to keep things
simple). B) To your FOL add this formation rule;> > If a and
b are variables, a=b is an atomic formula. and this axiom
scheme: Let be C and D be wffOs which differ only in that a
occurs free> in C where b occurs free in D. If a=b, then C
<-> D. C) Call the resulting logic FOL+. In FOL+, identity is
symmetric and transitive and identicals are> indiscernible,
but neither Ax(x=x) nor ~Ax(x=x) is a thesis. So,> FOL+ is a
subtheory of FOL= (because every thesis of FOL+ is> also a
thesis of FOL=), but not conversely (because Ax(x=x)> is a
thesis of FOL= but not of FOL+). Example 1: Set Theory Add to
FOL+ the NBG axiom scheme, C3, and CorreyOs principle of>
extensionality, C4: C3 EyAx[x in y <-> Et(x in t) & A] (with
y not free in A) Classi'cation> > C4 AyAx[Az(z in y <-> z in
x) -> {(set y & set x) <-> y=x}]> (Equi-membered classes are
identical iff these are sets.) > 1) EyAx(x in y <-> Et(x in
t) & ~(x in x)) C3 Hence 2) Ax(x in r <-> Et(x in t) & ~(x in
x)) 1,EI and 3) r in r <-> (Et(r in t) & ~(r in r)) 2,UI so
that 4) ~Et(r in t) 3 and 5) ~(set r) 4 and 6) ~(r=r) 5,C4 so
that 7) Ex~(x=x) 6,EG To be continued. --JohnGood. WhatOs
your
thoughts on this:I believe Aristotle de'ned identity as (x
-->
x) and not as (x = x).DonOt you loose the transitive
property
if you use the formerde'nition?Then your proof breaks
down.What about that?As far as IOm conserned, identity means
x --> x and not x = x, as thelatter de'nition leads to
paradoxes. Anyway, IOm trying to callAristotle on his mobile
phone but itOs out of cell reach...:)
> A) Take any
OpureO 'rst order logic, that is,
any FOL with no>> singular
terms other than variables (just to keep things simple).>> B)
To your FOL add this formation rule;>> >> If a and b are
variables, a=b is an atomic formula.>> and this axiom
scheme:>> Let be C and D be wffOs which differ only in that
a
occurs free>> in C where b occurs free in D. If a=b, then C
<-> D.>> C) Call the resulting logic FOL+.>> Crass
formalism.Using the symbol = to denote something other than
equality/identitydoesnOt make equality/identity
intransitive.-- Robin Chapman,
www.maths.ex.ac.uk/~rjc/rjc.htmlNeedless to say, I had the
last laugh. Alan Partridge, _Bouncing Back_ (14
times)
>>> A) Take any OpureO 'rst
order logic, that is,
any FOL with no>>> singular terms other than variables (just
to keep things simple).>>>> B) To your FOL add this formation
rule;>>> >>> If a and b are variables, a=b is an atomic
formula.>>>> and this axiom scheme:>>>> Let be C and D be
wffOs which differ only in that a occurs free>>> in C where
b
occurs free in D. If a=b, then C <-> D.>>>> C) Call the
resulting logic FOL+.>>>Crass formalism.>>Using the symbol =
to denote something other than equality/identity>doesnOt
make
equality/identity intransitive.Indeed. How many legs does a
dog have if you call the tail a
leg?************************David C. Ullrich
>>Using the
symbol = to denote something other than
equality/identity>>doesnOt make equality/identity
intransitive. Indeed. How many legs does a dog have if you
call the tail a leg?> I was going to say four, calling a
tail a leg doesnOt make atail a leg but then I remembered
that IOve occasionallyseen three-legged dogs. :-)-- Robin
Chapman, www.maths.ex.ac.uk/~rjc/rjc.html The League of
Gentlemen
A) Take any OpureO 'rst order
logic, that is,
any FOL with no>> singular terms other than variables (just
to keep things simple).>> B) To your FOL add this formation
rule;>> >> If a and b are variables, a=b is an atomic
formula.>> and this axiom scheme:>> Let be C and D be wffOs
which differ only in that a occurs free>> in C where b occurs
free in D. If a=b, then C <-> D.>> C) Call the resulting logic
FOL+.> > Crass formalism. Using the symbol = to denote
something other than equality/identity> doesnOt make
equality/identity intransitive.YouOve far more talent for
dancing on Pertti LounestoOs gravethan you have for
logic:*******************************************************
***************> I have received the following message
concerning> a once-frequent participant in sci.math. --
Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de>> THIS IS WITH GREAT REGRETS
THAT WE LET YOU KNOW THAT > PERTTI LOUNESTO HAS DIED WHEN
SWIMMING IN CRETE ON JUNE 21. > HE WAS A FRIEND AND
INSPIRATION OF MANY OF US. > HE WILL BE MISSED. > CONDOLENCES
40tntech.edu&output=gplain > Pertti Lounesto> - born in
Finland> - invented quadratic nature of triality ..[1]> in
Finland> - will die in Finland I am sorry to hear that he has
been falsi'ed in such a way :-(> -- Robin Chapman
=[of Robin
Chapman]> YouOve far more talent for dancing on Pertti
LounestoOs grave> than you have for logic:Nobody was
dancing.
The *only* thing that happened was that youmisread. And there
was even a frownie to guide you! Are youstupid or
something?In any case, this is irrelevant to the current
discussion and itis tasteless of you to bring it up at all,
which is why I donOtmind insulting you....>> Pertti
Lounesto>
- born in Finland> - invented quadratic nature of triality
..[1]> in Finland> - will die in Finland>> I am sorry to hear
that he has been falsi'ed in such a way :-(> -- Robin
ChapmanAmen.
>[of Robin Chapman]>>> YouOve far more
talent for dancing on Pertti LounestoOs grave>> than you
have
for logic:>>Nobody was dancing. This has been explained to him
many times. HeOs immune tothings like rational explanations
of
why heOs simply wrongabout something.>The *only* thing that
happened was that you>misread. And there was even a frownie
to guide you! Are you>stupid or something?>>In any case, this
is irrelevant to the current discussion Of course itOs
relevant! The poor guy canOt even get acceptedbe the Mega
Foundation (and they let _Harris_ in) - the onlyway heOs
going to get his genius recognized is to convincethe world
that people with radical notions like everythingis equal to
itself are evil.<Giggle...>>and it>is tasteless of you to
bring it up at all, which is why I donOt>mind insulting
you.>>...>>>>> Pertti Lounesto>> - born in Finland>> -
invented quadratic nature of triality ..[1]>> in Finland>> -
will die in Finland>>>> I am sorry to hear that he has been
falsi'ed in such a way :-(>> -- Robin
Chapman>>Amen.************************David C. Ullrich
=
Because IOm stupid, can anyone tell me whatOs
the point of>
this discussion? >> So, what is going on here is fairly>
straightforward. John falls into that group of people who>
understand the identity predicate within that topological>
framework. He is trying to defend his ideas in the place>
where everyone else thinks the expertise lies.> I havenOt
the
faintest idea what you are talking
about.--John
=
>> Because IOm stupid, can anyone
tell me whatOs the point of> this discussion?>>> So, what is
going on here is fairly> straightforward. John falls into
that group of people who> understand the identity predicate
within that topological> framework. He is trying to defend
his ideas in the place> where everyone else thinks the
expertise lies.>>> I havenOt the faintest idea what you are
talking about.>> --JohnOf that, I have little doubt. But that
does not mean that I am incorrect, here.However, I am
certainly mistaken if you are a different John--different
from the one who,in explained
haeccity to Immortalist with:The most straightforward
de'nition I havefound is from Garth KemerlingOs
Dictionary
ofPhilosophical Terms and
names(http://www.philosophypages.com/dy/index.htm):haecceity
{Lat. haecceitas}Thisness; the property that uniquely
distinguisheseach individual thing from others of its
kind.Introduced by Duns Scotus as a name forthe individuating
essence of any particular, the termhas been used more recently
in connection with the viewthat rigidly designated individuals
can exist in eachof many possible worlds.Thus, (1) is a
theorem of all standard set theories: AyAx(y=x <-> y in
{x}).Accordingly, granted that membership in {x} is
bothnecessary and suf'cient for identity-with-x, {x}is
(arguably) a haecceity of x: if you belong to{x} you are
identical with x, and if you do notbelong to {x} you are not.
The passages you citethe Ometaphysically robustO
notion of
*haecceity*:And, the quote above follows what was written in
the original post for that thread. Thatis, in the post
objection one, who (like myself) takesidentity to be
nonre呈xive, has a non-standardresponse--to wit, that the
usual axiom ofextensionality (which makes identity re呈xive)
isnot indispensable: it can be supplanted by C4.C4 AxAy[Az(z
in x <-> z in y) -> {Et(x in t & y in t) <-> x=y}]For from
(C4) it follows that sets are self-identical, but that proper
classes (like quanta?)are not.in some of the things that
David Lewis has to say about singletons, and about what
themereological and mereotopological advocates are saying.If
I am wrong, and you are not that individual, I apologize for
having tread where I shouldnot have.By the way, no one
bothered to critique your proof. You made a mediate
assumption betweenthe steps2) y in y <-> Et(y in t & ~(y in
y))3) ~Et(y in t)That is, you assumed ~(y in y). At no point
in your proof did you discharge thisassumption.:-)mitch
Because IOm stupid, can anyone tell me whatOs
the point of>
this discussion?> >> So, what is going on here is fairly>
straightforward. John falls into that group of people who>
understand the identity predicate within that topological>
framework. He is trying to defend his ideas in the place>
where everyone else thinks the expertise lies.>>> I havenOt
the faintest idea what you are talking about.>> --John Of
that, I have little doubt. But that does not mean that I am>
incorrect, here. However, I am certainly mistaken if you are
a different John--> different from the one who, in
haeccity to Immortalist with: The most straightforward
de'nition I have> found is from Garth
KemerlingOs Dictionary
of> Philosophical Terms and names>
(http://www.philosophypages.com/dy/index.htm): haecceity
{Lat. haecceitas}> Thisness; the property that uniquely
distinguishes> each individual thing from others of its
kind.> Introduced by Duns Scotus as a name for> the
individuating essence of any particular, the term> has been
used more recently in connection with the view> that rigidly
designated individuals can exist in each> of many possible
worlds. Thus, (1) is a theorem of all standard set theories:
AyAx(y=x <-> y in {x}). Accordingly, granted that membership
in {x} is both> necessary and suf'cient for identity-with-x,
{x}> is (arguably) a haecceity of x: if you belong to> {x}
you are identical with x, and if you do not> belong to {x}
you are not. The passages you cite> the Ometaphysically
robustO notion of *haecceity*: > And, the quote above
follows what was written in> the original post for that
thread. That is, in the post
objection one, who (like myself) takes> identity to be
nonre呈xive, has a non-standard> response--to wit, that the
usual axiom of> extensionality (which makes identity
re呈xive) is> not indispensable: it can be supplanted by C4.
C4 AxAy[Az(z in x <-> z in y) -> {Et(x in t & y in t) <->
x=y}] For from (C4) it follows that sets are self->
identical, but that proper classes (like quanta?)> are not.
> then you might be>quite interested in some of the things>
that David Lewis has to say about singletons, and about what>
the mereological and mereotopological advocates are saying.I
am that John, but I am not interested in what David Lewishas
to say about singletons, nor am I interested in what
DavidLewis has to say about what the mereological and
mereotopologicaladvocates are saying. If I am wrong, and you
are not that individual, I apologize> for having tread where
I should not have.Apology accepted. By the way, no one
bothered to critique your proof. You made> a mediate
assumption between the steps 2) y in y <-> Et(y in t & ~(y in
y))> 3) ~Et(y in t) That is, you assumed ~(y in y). At no
point in your proof> did you discharge this assumption. :-)
mitch
> So, what is going on here is fairly>
straightforward. John falls into that group of people who>
understand the identity predicate within that topological>
framework. He is trying to defend his ideas in the place>
where everyone else thinks the expertise lies. > I havenOt
the faintest idea what you are talking about.> Well, *I*
would translate...: [...] John falls into that group of
people who understand _identity_ in a very special way.
[...]Not meant as an insult, just as a clari'cation (if
so).F.
=Does anyone know where I can 'nd the proof of the
fact thatif X is a random variable, then f(X) is a random
variable using the abstractde'nitions,i.e. borel sets,
borel
measurable, etc.where f is a function from R to R?Preferably
if there is a proof online somewhere?
Does anyone know
where I can 'nd the proof of the fact that> if X is a random
variable, then f(X) is a random variable using the abstract>
de'nitions,> i.e. borel sets, borel measurable, etc.> where f
is a function from R to R? Preferably if there is a proof
online somewhere? > De'nition: X:S->R is a random variable if
the inverse image of any Borel subset of R is measurable in
S.De'nition: f:R->R is Borel measurable if the inverse image
of any Borel set is a Borel set.(Actually the 1st de'nition
is often stated as something like the inverse image of
(a,in'nity) is measurable for all a, but since the sets
(a,in'nity) generate the Borel sets, the
de'nitions are
equivalent.)-- Stephen
Montgomery-Smithstephen@math.missouri.eduhttp://
www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen
Does anyone know where I
can 'nd the proof of the fact that> if X is a random
variable, then f(X) is a random variable using the abstract>
de'nitions,> i.e. borel sets, borel measurable, etc.> where f
is a function from R to R?> I donOt think that this is
generally true. For example, f(x) could be constant.Markus
Triska.
Does anyone know where I can 'nd the proof of
the fact that> if X is a random variable, then f(X) is a
random variable using theabstract> de'nitions,> i.e. borel
sets, borel measurable, etc.> where f is a function from R to
R?>>> I donOt think that this is generally true. For
example,
f(x) could be> constant.>> Markus Triska.>Essentially the
original poster is asking whether given a Borel set B in R,is
the inverse image in Omega ie {omega: f(X(w)) in B} an
element of thesigma algebra on Omega.If itOs constant
it
certainly is a random variable, but if f is anon-measurable
function....
= > Essentially the original poster is asking
whether given a Borel set B in R,> is the inverse image in
Omega ie {omega: f(X(w)) in B} an element of the>
sigma algebra on Omega. If itOs constant it certainly is
a
random variable, but if f is a> non-measurable function....
Yes. I
readhttp://www.math.tau.ac.il/~tsirel/Courses/Prob99/abs5.
psand apparently, I misunderstood the term random variable
- sorry.The paper also mentions the lemma, but contains no
proof.Markus Triska.
=IOm sorry I meant to say that f is a
borel function.> Does anyone know where I can 'nd the proof
of the fact that> if X is a random variable, then f(X) is a
random variable using theabstract> de'nitions,> i.e. borel
sets, borel measurable, etc.> where f is a function from R to
R?>>> I donOt think that this is generally true. For
example,
f(x) could be> constant.>> Markus Triska.>
=|> A plate of
mass M has the form of a disc of radius R. Given that the
mass|> density of the plate varies directly as the distance
from a point P on the|> boundary of the plate, locate the
center of mass|> |> How can I get delta, the density
function, in terms of one variable which is|> somewhat
friendly? Can I assume that P = (R,0) ? If P = (R, 0) then I
got|> delta (x) = k sqrt (2R^2-2XR). Then things get
extremely messy from there.|> Any hints would be
appreciated.|> Steven|> |> I would use a polar representation
for the circle, with the originon the point P. Then the circle
is represented byrho = 2R cos(theta), with -pi/2 <= theta <=
pi/2 if youchoose to put the center of the circle at (rho= R,
theta = 0)-- a recommended choice, by the way, since you know
bysymmetry considerations that the center of mass lieson the
line from P to the point diametrally opposite to Pon the
density/distance to P,you have to compute(int_{-pi/2}^{pi/2}
( int_0^{2R cos(theta)} rho rho d rho ) d theta)/(R^2
pi)where the 'rst rho corresponds to the density, and
therho
d rho d theta to the area of a small element of the disk(an
explanation rather physical than mathematical, IOm
afraid),and the division by (R^2 pi) comes from the area of
the diskBut integrating the inner part is easy : (8 R^3 /3)
cos(theta))^3and then integrating cos^3(theta) between -pi/2
and pi/2 isroutine, owing to 4 (cos(theta))^3 = cos(3 theta)
+ 3 cos(theta)-- Charles Delorme tous les m.8egalomanesLRI
ont une signaturecd@lri.fr .88 .8etages
=The 'sher
discriminator is very easy to compute when the pool
covariance matrix S is not degenerate, namely inv(S) * (m1+
m2).Strange enough, none of my references handles these
cases.What can be done for very simple cases like in the
following example,X1 = {(1,-1), (1,0), (1,-1)} and X2 =
{(-1,-1), (-1,0), (-1,-1)} ?
=How is this inequality
solved:2x > x + 10 > -xAnswer: x > 10Brett
How is this
inequality solved:>>2x > x + 10 > -x>>Answer: x > 10>You have
two inequalities combined; split them:x + 10 < 2x- x < x +
10Find a possible x range for each inequality. DRAW A NUMBER
LINE and graph eachsolution onto this same number line. Pick
some value in each interval betweenstarting and stopping
points; here, more speci'cally, points around negative5 and
positive 10.Does a point less than negative 5 work?Does a
point between negative 5 and positive 10 work? Does a point
greater than positive 10 work?Substitute these trial points
into the original inequalities to see if a truestatement
occurs. One note: remember that if you multiply or divide by
negative 1, this reversesthe inequality relation sign.G
C
How is this inequality solved: 2x > x + 10 > -x
Answer: x > 10 Brett First inequality: 2x > x+10add -x to
both sides: x>10.Second inequality: x+10 > -xadd -x to both
sides: 10 > -2xmultiply both sides by -1/2: -5 < xBoth
inequalities together: x>10 and x>-5: result x>10.
be a 'xed positive integer and e be NapierOs
constant .A
sequence (Y_n)_{n>=0} satisfying i) Y_n= n*Y_{n-1} -n^p , for
all n=1,2,... , ii) lim_{n-->infty} Y_n/n! = 0 ,is
considered.ItOs true that Y_0 = e*B(p) where B(p) is a
positive integer ?Find a recursion relation between numbers
B(1),B(2),...,B(p),.. . ItOs possible to write B(p) as a sum
of Stirling numbers of second kind ?
recommend a Liapunov function that might helpcontrol this
plant represented by a nonlinear differential equation:y(t) =
x(t) * ( 1 - F(s) * (|x(t)|^2) )here F(s) = K/(1+sb),
represents a 1st order low pass 'lter(convolution with
Kexp(-bt)) with time constant 1/b, and K is asmall positive
number, so y is nearly x but not exactly; both b andK are
unknown although I have a good idea of their value within
afactor of 2.( By F(s) * (|x|^2) is meant the square of x(t),
x(t)^2, is low pass'ltered by F(s).)I need a control law x =
C[u, y],for positive u>0, such that thetracking error |y-u|
is small.
=two multi-precision integers. Numerical Recipes
in C suggests usingthe Fast Fourier Transform. Then, they go
on to state that the problemcan be worked using integer
arithmetic (rather than doubles) viamodular arithmetic, but
doesnOt supply a reference in the sameparagraph. At the end
of the section, among other references, I 'ndFast Fourier
Transform and Convolution Algorithms by Nussbaumer,1982.
Apparently, this book is OOP and dif'cult to
'nd, so IOll
getit via Interlibrary Loan. My question is: Does anyone know
of any
= two multi-precision integers. Numerical Recipes in
C suggests using> the Fast Fourier Transform. Then, they go
on to state that the problem> can be worked using integer
arithmetic (rather than doubles) via> modular arithmetic, but
doesnOt supply a reference in the same> paragraph. At the
end
of the section, among other references, I 'nd> Fast Fourier
Transform and Convolution Algorithms by Nussbaumer,> 1982.
Apparently, this book is OOP and dif'cult to
'nd, so IOll
get> it via Interlibrary Loan. My question is: Does anyone
know of anyDo you really want to reinvent everything already
present in GMP(GNU Multiple Precision Arithmetic Library
http://www.swox.com/gmp/ )or the work of George Woltman in
OpenPFGW( http://www.primeform.net/openpfgw/ )Hugo
Pfoertner
= two multi-precision integers. Numerical
Recipes in C suggests using> the Fast Fourier Transform.
Then, they go on to state that the problem> can be worked
using integer arithmetic (rather than doubles) via> modular
arithmetic, but doesnOt supply a reference in the same>
paragraph. At the end of the section, among other references,
I 'nd> Fast Fourier Transform and Convolution Algorithms
by
Nussbaumer,> 1982. Apparently, this book is OOP and dif'cult
to 'nd, so IOll get> it via Interlibrary Loan.
My question
is: Does anyone know of any Do you really want to reinvent
everything already present in GMP> (GNU Multiple Precision
Arithmetic Library http://www.swox.com/gmp/ )> or the work of
George Woltman in OpenPFGW> (
http://www.primeform.net/openpfgw/ )Not necessarily. I am
interested in 'nding the most ef'cient way
ofdoing the work.
I was also aware that some Multiple Precision softwareexists.
But I did not know what the best/most up-to-date
librarieswere. I want my software to be ported to both
Windows and *nixsystems, and thus am hoping to 'nd source
'les rather thanassembly-optimized libraries. Furthermore, I
am curious to 'nd outout.Brett> Hugo Pfoertner
> two
multi-precision integers. Numerical Recipes in C suggests
using>> the Fast Fourier Transform. Then, they go on to state
that the problem>> can be worked using integer arithmetic
(rather than doubles) via>> modular arithmetic, but doesnOt
supply a reference in the same>> paragraph. At the end of the
section, among other references, I 'nd>> Fast Fourier
Transform and Convolution Algorithms by Nussbaumer,>> 1982.
Apparently, this book is OOP and dif'cult to
'nd, so IOll
get>> it via Interlibrary Loan. My question is: Does anyone
know of any>>Do you really want to reinvent everything
already present in GMP>(GNU Multiple Precision Arithmetic
Library http://www.swox.com/gmp/ )>or the work of George
Woltman in OpenPFGW>( http://www.primeform.net/openpfgw/
)>IsnOt that how one learns?By your reasoning, math should
not be taught in elementary schools,since calculators have
made it obsolete.Besides, the more choices the better, in my
opinion.To the original poster, i donOt have any information
on the mostrecent advances on the subject, but then the
twenty-year-oldtexts may have the basic information that you
need as well. Do youhave access to a university mathematics
library?The links that Hugo posted will also help, since
reading the sourcecode will certainly help, and one hopes
that there are referencesincluded.-- -johnFebruary 28 1997:
Last day libraries could order catalogue cardsfrom the
Library of Congress.
> two multi-precision integers.
Numerical Recipes in C suggests using>> the Fast Fourier
Transform. Then, they go on to state that the problem>> can
be worked using integer arithmetic (rather than doubles)
via>> modular arithmetic, but doesnOt supply a reference in
the same>> paragraph. At the end of the section, among other
references, I 'nd>> Fast Fourier Transform and Convolution
Algorithms by Nussbaumer,>> 1982. Apparently, this book is
OOP and dif'cult to 'nd, so IOll
get>> it via Interlibrary
Loan. My question is: Does anyone know of any>>Do you really
want to reinvent everything already present in GMP>(GNU
Multiple Precision Arithmetic Library
http://www.swox.com/gmp/ )>or the work of George Woltman in
OpenPFGW>( http://www.primeform.net/openpfgw/ )> IsnOt that
how one learns? By your reasoning, math should not be taught
in elementary schools,> since calculators have made it
obsolete. Besides, the more choices the better, in my
opinion. To the original poster, i donOt have any
information
on the most> recent advances on the subject, but then the
twenty-year-old> texts may have the basic information that
you need as well. Do you> have access to a university
mathematics library?No. But, I can use I.L.L. to get nearly
anything I need.> The links that Hugo posted will also help,
since reading the source> code will certainly help, and one
hopes that there are references> included.Brett
>> two
multi-precision integers. Numerical Recipes in C suggests
using>> the Fast Fourier Transform. Then, they go on to
state that the problem>> can be worked using integer
arithmetic (rather than doubles) via>> modular arithmetic,
but doesnOt supply a reference in the same>> paragraph. At
the end of the section, among other references, I 'nd>>
Fast
Fourier Transform and Convolution Algorithms by Nussbaumer,>>
1982. Apparently, this book is OOP and dif'cult to
'nd, so
IOll get>> it via Interlibrary Loan. My question is: Does
anyone know of any>>Do you really want to reinvent everything
already present in GMP>(GNU Multiple Precision Arithmetic
Library http://www.swox.com/gmp/ )>or the work of George
Woltman in OpenPFGW>( http://www.primeform.net/openpfgw/ )>
IsnOt that how one learns?Agreed, I have learned a lot by
re-inventing existing methods.However it is sometimes
helpful to know which methods exist. By your reasoning, math
should not be taught in elementary schools,> since
calculators have made it obsolete.Maths is a little bit more
than calculators can do ... Besides, the more choices the
better, in my opinion. To the original poster, i donOt have
any information on the most> recent advances on the
subject, but then the twenty-year-old> texts may have the
basic information that you need as well. Do you> have access
to a university mathematics library? The links that Hugo
posted will also help, since reading the source> code will
certainly help, and one hopes that there are references>
included.Unfortunately the source code of the mult functions
is mostly Assemblerand poorly commented, at least in the GMP
source. --> -johnAn excellent starting point is Chapter 4.3.3
How fast can we multiply?in Donald E. Knuths The Art of
Computer Programming Vol. 2, 3rdEditionPages 294-318, (C.
Discrete Fourier transforms). Knuth alsogives the references
to the key papers of Strassen, Schoenhage andPollard.See also
http://members.tripod.com/careybloodworth/ntt.htm giving
somematerial and links to the Number Theoretical or Pollard
TransformHugo
multi-precision integers. Numerical Recipes in C suggests
http://members.tripod.com/careybloodworth/ntt.htm giving
some> material and links to the Number Theoretical or
Pollard TransformA better link is Carey BloodworthOs
Multiplication
page:http://members.tripod.com/careybloodworth/
multiplication.htmand his well documented example programs,
download
via:http://members.tripod.com/careybloodworth/downloads.htm
Hugo
=What is the use of parametric equations ?When to use
them (in 2D , or 3D, other ) ?When to use them instead of
cartesian equations ?Anthony
= > What is the use of
parametric equations ?They are handy when you want to model
the path of a moving object, as opposed to modeling a static
set of points.For example, x^2 + y^2 = 1 represents the unit
circle in the plane.The parametric equations x = cos ty = sin
tt in [0, 2pi)represent the same set of points . . . so far no
difference.Butx = cos 2ty = sin 2tt in [0, 2pi)models a point
traveling around the unit circle twice in the same amount of
time that the previous object traveled only once around the
circle.In other words the parametric equations give more
information than the static x-y equation. The parametric
equations not only describe the set of points in the plane
that are traversed, but also how fast the object travels.
When to use them (in 2D , or 3D, other ) ?> When you want to
represent the path of a moving object, as opposed to a static
set of points. Also, sometimes itOs just more convenient to
use them.> When to use them instead of cartesian equations
?When itOs more convenient, or when you need to describe
motion through a set of points.
=The 'rst clear de'nition I
foundHave you some good (clear :-)) sitesto advise meorbooks
?>>>> What is the use of parametric equations ?>> They are
handy when you want to model the path of a moving object, as>
opposed to modeling a static set of points.>> For example, x^2
+ y^2 = 1 represents the unit circle in the plane.>> The
parametric equations>> x = cos t> y = sin t> t in [0, 2pi)>>
represent the same set of points . . . so far no
difference.>> But>> x = cos 2t> y = sin 2t> t in [0, 2pi)>>
models a point traveling around the unit circle twice in the
same amount> of time that the previous object traveled only
once around the circle.>> In other words the parametric
equations give more information than the> static x-y
equation. The parametric equations not only describe the set>
of points in the plane that are traversed, but also how fast
the object> travels.>>>> When to use them (in 2D , or 3D,
other ) ?>>> When you want to represent the path of a moving
object, as opposed to a> static set of points. Also,
sometimes itOs just more convenient to use> them.>>>> When
to
use them instead of cartesian equations ?>> When itOs more
convenient, or when you need to describe motion through a>
set of
points.
=--
-[Original message quoted below due to
length]Another reason for using parametric equations is that
the equations in Cartesian coordinates are either very messy
or impossible to write down in terms of elementary functions.
The parametric form gives a clearer picture of what the curve
is. The prototypical example is the cycloid and related
curves.Ballou, Analytic Geometry.>The 'rst clear
de'nition I
found>>Have you some good (clear :-)) sites>to advise
me>or>books ?>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>What is the use of
parametric equations ?>>> >>>>>They are handy when you want
to model the path of a moving object, as>>opposed to modeling
a static set of points.>>>>For example, x^2 + y^2 = 1
represents the unit circle in the plane.>>>>The parametric
equations>>>>x = cos t>>y = sin t>>t in [0, 2pi)>>>>represent
the same set of points . . . so far no difference.>>>>But>>>>x
= cos 2t>>y = sin 2t>>t in [0, 2pi)>>>>models a point
traveling around the unit circle twice in the same amount>>of
time that the previous object traveled only once around the
circle.>>>>In other words the parametric equations give more
information than the>>static x-y equation. The parametric
equations not only describe the set>>of points in the plane
that are traversed, but also how fast the
object>>travels.>>>>>> >>>>>When to use them (in 2D , or 3D,
other ) ?>>>>>> >>>>>When you want to represent the path of a
moving object, as opposed to a>>static set of points. Also,
sometimes itOs just more convenient to use>>them.>>>>>>>>
>>>>>When to use them instead of cartesian equations ?>>>
>>>>>When itOs more convenient, or when you need to describe
motion through a>>set of points.>> >>>>> >-- Stephen J.
Herschkorn herschko@rutcor.rutgers.edu
= What is the use of
parametric equations ? When to use them (in 2D , or 3D, other
) ? When to use them instead of cartesian equations ?TheyOre
often useful for problems in which the equation[s]relate the
variables implicitly, in other words are notreadily or simply
expressable as y = function of (x).In situations like this a
parametrization is a useful wayof OuntanglingO
the equation
into equivalent equations which,even collectively, are often
more tractable, and, likely asnot, also more illuminating of
what the equation represents.As just one example, people
often post requests here forhelp in 'nding the four points of
intersection of twoellipses, and plowing into this directly,
using Cartesiancoordinates, results in a horrendous mess. But
if you pluginto one ellipse a parametrization of the other,
then theresulting quartic condition is much simpler, with
itscoef'cients simple linear combinations of those of
theoriginal
ellipses.-
--John R Ramsden
(jr@aNdOsSlPaAtMe.com)
A stockbroker is someone
who invests your money until itOs all gone. Woody Allen
boundary=-=_NextPart_000_001F_01C37F89.230F7AD0
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-
If I have the following Example Data Set:14, 29, 32, 38,
41, 45, 68, 71, 74, 83, 86, 87, 94, 99How would I 'nd the
'rst quartile of that data set? What is the
procedure?Mark
=If I have the following Example Data
Set:14, 29, 32, 38, 41, 45, 68, 71, 74, 83, 86, 87, 94, 99How
would I 'nd the 'rst quartile of that data
set?What is the
procedure?Find the median = 69.5Then 'nd the median of the
lower half,which is 38, the 'rst quartile.
=Any
thoughts?Mark> If I have the following Example Data Set:> 14,
29, 32, 38, 41, 45, 68, 71, 74, 83, 86, 87, 94, 99> How would
I 'nd the 'rst quartile of that data set?> What
is the
procedure?>> Find the median = 69.5> Then 'nd the median of
the lower half,> which is 38, the 'rst quartile.>>>
=I need
help on this question:Find the maximum and minimum values of
f(x1,x2) = x1^2 -2x1x2 + 1 overD= (x element R^2:
||x||<=1}Now I know critical points occur where the gradient
is 0. So Icalculated the gradient and found it is 0 at (0,0).
Now I also know Ineed to check the boundary of D for max/min
value aswell. I trieddoing this, but I am stuck. Can some one
show me how I can check theboundary for max/min values??
= I
need help on this question: Find the maximum and minimum
values of f(x1,x2) = x1^2 -2x1x2 + 1 over> D= (x element R^2:
||x||<=1} Now I know critical points occur where the gradient
is 0. So I> calculated the gradient and found it is 0 at
(0,0). Now I also know I> need to check the boundary of D for
max/min value aswell. I tried> doing this, but I am stuck. Can
some one show me how I can check the> boundary for max/min
values??> The equation for ||x||=1 is x1^2 + x2^2 = 1. Given
this, there are twoattacks IOm familiar with. Solve for x2
and plug it into f(x1,x2) fora function of x1 alone and use
ideas from 1d calculus to 'nd themaximum/minimums on that
line. Secondly, if the gradient is orthogonalto the slope of
the line tangent to ||x||=1 at any particular point,you know
something about the value of the function at that
point.YouOve found a point on the circle at which the value
of the functionis not increasing/decreasing on either side of
that point.
= I need help on this question: Find the maximum
and minimum values of f(x1,x2) = x1^2 -2x1x2 + 1 over> D= (x
element R^2: ||x||<=1} Now I know critical points occur where
the gradient is 0. So I> calculated the gradient and found it
is 0 at (0,0). Now I also know I> need to check the boundary
of D for max/min value aswell. I tried> doing this, but I am
stuck. Can some one show me how I can check the> boundary for
max/min values??> The boundary, ||x|| = 1, consists of the
circle x1^2 + x2^2 = 1,so 'nd the max and min of g(t) =
f(cos(t),sin(t))
boundary=-=_NextPart_000_0056_01C37F8E.ECB71190
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Any thoughts?Mark> If I have the following Example Data
Set:> 14, 29, 32, 38, 41, 45, 68, 71, 74, 83, 86, 87, 94, 99>
How would I 'nd the 'rst quartile of that data
set?> What is
the procedure? Find the median = 69.5> Then 'nd the median of
the lower half,> which is 38, the 'rst quartile. >
> Any
thoughts?> > Mark> > Nat Silver <mathelp@worldnet.att.net >
If I have the following Example Data Set:> 14, 29, 32, 38,
41, 45, 68, 71, 74, 83, 86, 87, 94, 99> How would I 'nd the
'rst quartile of that data set?> What is the procedure?>>
Find the median = 69.5> Then 'nd the median of the lower
half,> which is 38, the 'rst quartile.I agree with Nat that
38, the median of the lower half, is the 'rst quartile. I
have heard about computer packages giving different answers
before. For example, Excel (the least trustworthy for
statistics) says 38.75! Got me how the packages come up with
these.-- Stephen J. Herschkorn
herschko@rutcor.rutgers.edu
=THE INCH AND ROD METHODThe
Speed of Light and PhiTo calculate the speed of light:Measure
with the rod to the inch by the extreme and mean,the light
speed, exact to the centimeter, is then obtainedfrom the shen
and three cubed and squared.Here is the working out, ROD 1 37
3701 R+O+D = 37 1 37 3702 I+N+C+H = 34 2 74 7403 P+H+O+T+O+N
= 88 3 111 11105 1+1+2+3+5+8+13+21+34 = 88 5 185 18508 ROD ~
(1) a light detecting eye cell 8 296 29613 (2) a unit of
length measure 13 481 48121 INCH~ (1) a unit of length
measure 21 777 77734 729 ~ the cubesquare of lightINCH 34
1258 125855 10^7 ~ hieroglyph shen = 55 (light circling
earth) THE INCH AND ROD METHODc = 125855/77734 x 729 x 10^7
in/sec = 125855/77734 x 729 x 10^7 x 2.54 cm/sec =
1.619047... x 729 x 10^7 x 2.54 cm/sec = 29979245800 cm/s
(nearest centimeter)To recall the reckoning note that the ROD
is the name of a lightdetecting cell in the human eye. The ROD
is also a measuring rule.Thus the word ROD links light to
measurement and, visa versa,measurement to light.Then using
gematria, A=1, B=2, C=3,..., etc.., obtain the numericalvalue
for the ROD as measuring unit = R+O+D = 18+15+4 = 37.The
extreme and mean, otherwise known as the golden mean ratio,is
the ratio of two consecutive elements on the 'bonacci
sequencetaken to the limit. But weOre using the ROD as the
unit, soconstruct a 'bonacci seq using the number 37 as the
starting unitinstead of the usual 1.And rather than go all
the way to in'nity, we go up only to the INCH,that is, the
word INCH = I+N+C+H = 19+14+3+8 = 34, and so we stop atthat
number in the standard 'bonacci sequence to obtain the
twoelements for the phi ratio.As a check, note that the sum
of these 'bonacci elements gives us thenumber of the PHOTON =
88 = 1+1+2+3+5+8+13+21+34. Thiscon'rms the mark in the
sequence corresponding to the INCH as the placewhere the
light or photon measure is to be obtained.Now we add the two
'bonacci sequences together, the standard sequenceand the
sequence with the ROD as unit, but in such a way that the
RODnumbers donOt interfere with the standard
'bonacci
numbers, so we needto multiply the ROD column by 100 before
adding the standard 'bonnacisequence to it. Another way to
think of this is to consider the ROD asthe 10Os and the
standard numbers as the 1Os, but in a centennial systemusing
100 numbers instead of decimal system with 10. The only
trickto remember is that we adjust the 'bonacci numbers by 1
row before weadd them to the ROD column. In other words, the
'nal sequence is notjust a multiple of the standard
'bonacci
sequence, it really is acombination of two sequences. We can
think of one sequence as the extremeand the other as the
mean, where the extreme is the higher ROD numbers,while the
mean is the usual standard 'bonacci counts. As we walk
downthe two 'bonacci sequences weOve got one
foot in front of
the other,so to speak.Well, having stopped at the INCH, we
calculate the ratio125855/77734which we then scale by two
multipliers. The 'rst scale factor is 729,the cubesquare of
3, i.e., the number 3 cubed, 3*3*3 = 27, then squared,27*27 =
729. This is PlatoOs magic number for measuring the
intervalbetween extremes. [See PlatoOs Republic, Book 9].
Note also that thisnumber is a cubesquare like the Horus Eye
number 64, which the Egyptiansused for establishing a system
of measuring fractions 1/2,1/4,..,1/64,and so on. But being
that the Human eye sees 3 basic colors, having 3different
cone cells to detect light, we refer to the sixth power of
3as the cubesquare of light. Recall that the cubesquare is
the numberthat allows cubic volumes to be partitioned into
the same number of partsas square areas, and thus enables
ef'cient mapping of 3-d space to 2-dsurfaces like the back of
the retina, etc..so the eye numbers are allcubesquares; the
'rst, 64, is used for the divided Horus Eye, theeye Seth
destroyed and was re-constructed by Horus. Peet mentions in
histranslation of the RMP that thereOs a belief that the
EgyptianOs alsohad a system of 1/3, 1/9, ..but the evidence
is inconclusive.However, we can remember the 729 factor by
recalling that the eye seeslight by using both RODs and
cones, and the RODs see the intensity,while the cones see the
colors by detecting and combining 3 basic colors.The ratio
125855/77734 obtained from the ROD calculation, then
needsthat cone factor 3^6 = 729 to modify it. ThatOs
probably
easier toremember than looking up Plato anyway.The other
factor is the shen = 10^7. Now the OshenO is
the
ancientEgyptian number that measures the extremes again, just
like PlatoOsextreme number. However, this time
itOs the light
going around theBut there are two such horizons, the rising
sun in the east and thesetting sun in the west, and these are
opposites, and extremepositions of the sun in the sky. This is
the largest number in theto represent it, so itOs an extreme
number in their number system too.The hieroglyph of the sun
on the horizon is just a simple circlesitting on a straight
line segment that it bisects and which touchesthe circle as a
tangent.In a sense this also suggests the idea of a circle
curvilinear measurebeing contrasted to a straight rectilinear
line measure, hinting at therecti'cation of the circle, or
squaring the circle, of the ancientphilosophers. And the shen
obviously suggests a connection to lightagain, since it uses
the sun. Moreover, squaring the 10^7 gives thenumber of
wavelengths of light that we see best which 'ts around
thecircumference of the earth. That is to say, the human eye
is bestadapted to see light in the region of green light, and
such light haswavelength that, if used to measure the
circumference of the earth,would produce a number with order
of magnitude 10^14. The square rootof this is 10^7, the same
shen number used by the Ancient Egyptiansfor their largest
number and represented by light circling the earthin the
form of the sunOs apparent motion. So the 10^7 factor is
indeeda light measure number. But here it is indicative of
the extremescale of the universe, being that it numbers the
measurement on thepath of RA the sun god, about our world
earth, etc..Now we combine all our extreme numbers which
relate to lightin various ways, to determine the speed of
that light. The PHIratio is also an extreme number being that
it is the limit of theratio of two consequtive 'bonacci
numbers, and PHI represents themean growth of a good many
natural processes too, being then a kindof central limit
that natural phenomena tend to gravitate towards.And light,
of course, is the extreme speed limit on the highwayof
kinematic transport, so weOve got a convergence of
extremes.Combining the ROD and Cone numbers with this Scale
factor gives us thespeed of light. And since we stopped at
the INCH, in the 'bonaccisequence, the unit of length in
the lightspeed is British Inches, andlight is therefore in
inch/sec units.c = 125855/77734 x 729 x 10^7 in/secBut, as
we said, our calculation is exact in centimeters. (So
thatwe donOt forget the important French contributions to
the
world ofscience.) It is not an approximate result. So, we
convert inches tocentimeters and round to the nearest whole
centimeter to obtain ourexact result. There are exactly 2.54
centimeters in 1 inch. So,c = 125855/77734 x 729 x 10^7 x 2.54
cm/sec = 29979245800 cm/s (nearest centimeter)neat
huh?pmj
THE INCH AND ROD METHOD> The Speed of Light and
Phi>>> To calculate the speed of light:>> Measure with the
rod to the inch by the extreme and mean,> the light speed,
exact to the centimeter, is then obtained> from the shen and
three cubed and squared.>> Here is the working out,>>>> ROD>
1 37 3701 R+O+D = 37> 1 37 3702 I+N+C+H = 34> 2 74 7403
P+H+O+T+O+N = 88> 3 111 11105 1+1+2+3+5+8+13+21+34 = 88> 5
185 18508 ROD ~ (1) a light detecting eye cell> 8 296 29613
(2) a unit of length measure> 13 481 48121 INCH~ (1) a unit
of length measure> 21 777 77734 729 ~ the cubesquare of
light> INCH 34 1258 125855 10^7 ~ hieroglyph shen  55
(light circling earth)>> THE INCH AND ROD METHOD>> c =
125855/77734 x 729 x 10^7 in/sec> = 125855/77734 x 729 x 10^7
x 2.54 cm/sec> = 1.619047... x 729 x 10^7 x 2.54 cm/sec> =
29979245800 cm/s (nearest centimeter)>>> To recall the
reckoning note that the ROD is the name of a light> detecting
cell in the human eye. The ROD is also a measuring rule.> Thus
the word ROD links light to measurement and, visa versa,>
measurement to light.>So who decided Cones donOt
count?
=David C. Ullrich <ullrich@math.okstate.edu> pushed
brie囤 to theto the shed door:^ >I suspect he is remembering
the following quote from^
><3f5e5c01.11252651@news.global.net.uk>:^ >| ^ Corollary?^ >|
^ >| <hehehehe> Ooooh, me, Sir, ME!^ >| ^ >| Why does JSH keep
hearing from Dave The Rave Ullrich? Because DTRU has^ >| got
nothing better to do than correspond with crackpots.^ >| ^ >|
Do I win 'rst prize?^ Actually that was his second post
recently about Dave The Rave.^ Seems like he was disappointed
when I didnOt reply to his 'rst:^ ^
group:sci.math&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3f5b5bdf.^
246312921%40news.global.net.uk&rnum=2^> ^ >Trying to reason
with Dave the Rave is also useless, unfortunately.^ >Perhaps
he is mentally ill too. He certainly canOt seem to get his^
>head round the idea that a mentally ill person like James is
simply^ >not susceptible to having the obvious pointed out.
God bless him, heOs^ >been plugging away pointing out the
obvious to him, in various ways^ >from condescending to
sarcastic, for a few years now, and never seems^ >to tire of
it. One has to conclude that he really does do it for his^
>own amusement.Just in case youOre under any illusion about
Dave The Rave being mycreation, this seems like the right
place to point out that actually Ijust took amused note when
someone else used it quite a while ago.Bill Taylor, I think.
I donOt know if he coined it or borrowed it inturn from
someone else. In the end, your own obsessive
behaviour,alternating between decrying JSH Os own deluded
obsessiveness andhinting about the more dangerous extremes
of irrational behaviour,got suf'ciently under my skin again
that it seemed like a good timeto re-invite you to examine
the mote in your own eye.It has been quite a long time since
I last got tempted to poke fun atyou in public, though,
hasnOt it? It is very tiresome when two peoplepersist in a
public slanging match that should be carried out viasent you
at the time. Had you done so, I doubt we would be
persistingin public slanging now.^ It does make his statement
as far as I recall, I have never ^ stated that such behaviour
is inappropriate sort of interesting.^ I suppose I should
apologize for incorrectly paraphrasing^ what he said - he
never said such behavior was inapproriate,^ just that it
might be symptomatic of mental illness.Incorrect paraphrasing
is a forte of yours. This is a second example.Not only did I
never say such behaviour was inappropriate, I alsonever said
that it might be symptomatic of mental illness. I was
quiteexplicit that my criticism was aimed not at
participation per se, butat overly perseverative
participation, of which you are the #1 primeexponent. The
distinction is either lost on you, or you choose tooverlook
it. Bearing in mind the notion that insanity is
expectingdifferent results from repeating the same behaviour,
you really oughtto think more carefully before presuming to
advise anyone else aboutthe state of their mental health. ^
>I thought it was just a joke and you didnOt really^ >intend
any serious criticism, but it wasnOt aimed at me.^ ^
DonOt
get the wrong idea - regardless of how it was intended^ it
was nothing but amusing at this end (because itOs been^
clear
the guy has a bug up his ass since the thread a while^ ago
where he insisted on making a _pompous_ fool of^ himself over
CLT (pompous referring to his repeated ^ statements that the
reason he understood the issues better^ than his stat friend
was he was a mathematician, when^ in _fact_ he was totally
wrong about the whole thing and^ his stat friend had things
straight.))Yup, hands up there. I made a complete arse of
myself. DidnOt I wearthe hair shirt for long enough to
satisfy you at the time? ISTR beingpretty open about
admitting having been a twat.Not the 'rst time
IOve behaved
like a twat, not even on sci.math andcertainly not on Usenet,
and it certainly wonOt be the last. At leastmy twattishness
is
con'ned to occasional outbursts, though. IMO, YMMVetc.Andy--
sparge at globalnet point co point uk In a sense do we not
all have psychological or pharmaceutical crutches forming our
bridges to the stars? (or our gangplank across lifeOs
mud吧ts)
.97.96, uk.rec.sheddizen
>> Mega moniker of the real
high IQ group Mega Society that sued his ass>>> for>>> IP
theft.>>>>
http://www.polymath-systems.com/intel/hiqsocs/megasoc/
judgment.html>>>> Harris got picked up by a pack of scam
artists. Huh. This judgement, dated March of this year,
orders him to stop> publishing his Noesis Journal. But
isnOt that the name of the thing> that James got
published
in?Despite its web addresscontaining the word noesis,
itOs
now renamed itelfas Noeon.So thatOs all right then :-)--
Robin Chapman, www.maths.ex.ac.uk/~rjc/rjc.htmlNeedless to
say, I had the last laugh. Alan Partridge, _Bouncing Back_
(14 times)
> Mega moniker of the real high IQ group
Mega Society that sued his ass>>> for>>> IP theft.>>>>
http://www.polymath-systems.com/intel/hiqsocs/megasoc/
judgment.html>>>> Harris got picked up by a pack of scam
artists. Huh. This judgement, dated March of this year,
orders him to stop> publishing his Noesis Journal. But
isnOt that the name of the thing> that James got
published
in? Despite its web address > containing the word noesis,
itOs now renamed itelf> as Noeon. So
thatOs all right then
:-)Hmm. Skirting a thin line, I guess. The judgement
mentionsNoesis and Mega Society and variations, and also
prohibitsuse of any of the infringed trademarks in a DOMAIN
anyway. Cost of doing businessfor a scammer, right? -
Randy
= question> that people in colleges, academia, and
sciences will encounter. Why> are there> so many
disproportionate number of jews in sciences? Is it because>
they are> a superior race and conversely lending truth to
racism and thus> ShockleyOs> fallacy that blacks are
inferior? Do the jews have greater stamina> than> others?
They have Jewish mothers. Read PortnoyOs Complaint by
Philip Roth. > Chinese mothers are equally lethal and
man-hating. That Jews from the> off the bottom 90% of the
bell curve for European Jews doesnOt hurt> either -
evolution
is a hoot if you are one of the survivors. The> best of the
best emigrated to the New World and were scythed again by>
anti-Semitism. The survivors are intellectually superior in
every way> (on the average). Selective breeding works the
other way, too. The absolutely most> stupid Blacks in West
Africa were captured by their marginally more> intelligent
and vicious brethren, then sold to Arabs who in turn sold>
them to the Triangular Trade and New World slavery. Uppity
Darkies> were weeded out. The result is US Inner Cities as
celebrations of> ethnic diversity.> Wow...ainOt nobody that
can accuse Uncle Al of excessive politicalcorrectness!Still,
sad to say, what this honkey, racist curmudgeon posts has
theunmistakable ring of truth!To some people, this truth is a
problem. The question then is, whydoesnOt society
'x the
problem rather than pretending that it doesnOtexist or
justi'ng it?Teaching someone to read or speak correctively
shouldnOt cost verymuch, unless the politicians get their
hand into it. Similarly, basicmath skills are not very
dif'cult to teach or to learn. Once peoplemaster language and
mathematics skills, plus a bit of factual history,college
becomes a matter of hard work...nothing else.Then too, I once
in a while have to sit back and ask myself thequestion: Why is
American education more poised to train workers thanto educate
people? Asking such questions in a New England town
meetingtends to make me very unpopular, but I donOt
understand why.Then too, possibly I donOt wish to understant
by, because the obviousexplanation is so very ugly. Harry
C.
=characterized this thread)>Teaching someone to read or
speak correctively shouldnOt cost very>much, unless the
politicians get their hand into it. Similarly, basic>math
skills are not very dif'cult to teach or to learn. Once
people>master language and mathematics skills, plus a bit of
factual history,>college becomes a matter of hard
work...nothing else.> >This strikes me as wrong, unless, of
course, you prefer shacks forschools and not paying teachers
very much.>Then too, I once in a while have to sit back and
ask myself the>question: Why is American education more
poised to train workers than>to educate people? Asking such
questions in a New England town meeting>tends to make me very
unpopular, but I donOt understand why.> >Well, the
educational
system I grew up in (NYC schools in the 50s) wasspeci'cally
designed to train of'ce and skilled trade workers in NYC.
BTW, that was the one Uncle Al pines for. If you want to tell
me that it didnOt cost very much, well heck, thatwas because
they were living off schools constructed in the 30s and40s
and women teachers who had few other career opportunities
andguys who got locked into the system during the depression.
The stuffhit the fan in the 60s and 70s. Kind of reminds me of
what the US is doing now, living off pastinvestment. Sooner or
later the piper comes to play.josh halpern>Then too, possibly
I donOt wish to understant by, because the
obvious>explanation is so very ugly.>> Harry C.> >
=go
away, trolls.-- Mark McIntyreCLC FAQ
<http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html>CLC readme:
<http://www.angel're.com/ms3/bchambless0/welcome_to_clc.html>
> question> that people in colleges, academia, and
sciences will encounter. Why> are there> so many
disproportionate number of jews in sciences? Is it because>
they are> a superior race and conversely lending truth to
racism and thus> ShockleyOs> fallacy that blacks are
inferior? Do the jews have greater stamina> than> others?>>
They have Jewish mothers. Read PortnoyOs Complaint by
Philip Roth.> Chinese mothers are equally lethal and
man-hating. That Jews from the> off the bottom 90% of the
bell curve for European Jews doesnOt hurt> either -
evolution
is a hoot if you are one of the survivors. The> best of the
best emigrated to the New World and were scythed again by>
anti-Semitism. The survivors are intellectually superior in
every way> (on the average).>> Selective breeding works the
other way, too. The absolutely most> stupid Blacks in West
Africa were captured by their marginally more> intelligent
and vicious brethren, then sold to Arabs who in turn sold>
them to the Triangular Trade and New World slavery. Uppity
Darkies> were weeded out. The result is US Inner Cities as
celebrations of> ethnic diversity.>>> Wow...ainOt nobody
that
can accuse Uncle Al of excessive political> correctness!>>
Still, sad to say, what this honkey, racist curmudgeon posts
has the> unmistakable ring of truth!>> To some people, this
truth is a problem. The question then is, why> doesnOt
society 'x the problem rather than pretending that it
doesnOt> exist or justi'ng it?>> Teaching
someone to read or
speak correctively shouldnOt cost very> much, unless the
politicians get their hand into it. Similarly, basic> math
skills are not very dif'cult to teach or to learn. Once
people> master language and mathematics skills, plus a bit of
factual history,> college becomes a matter of hard
work...nothing else.>> Then too, I once in a while have to
sit back and ask myself the> question: Why is American
education more poised to train workers than> to educate
people?Somebody has to make the donuts.......>Asking such
questions in a New England town meeting> tends to make me
very unpopular, but I donOt understand why.>> Then too,
possibly I donOt wish to understant by, because the obvious>
explanation is so very ugly.The truth is that the vast
majority of the population hasa hard time keeping enough in
their heads to get through thenext day much less deal with
you telling them how you think theyshould go about life....>>
Harry C.
>> >>Wrong. The most persecuted Semitic
population are the Palestinians, and>>ironically most
persecuted by the Israelis.>>>> Oh great. Another bigot
吧unts himself in front of the world.>>>> The one clearly
demonstrating bigotry is yourself, I have no objections to>>
Jews and every objection to Israeli foreign policy. Unlike
you, I am not>> so bigoted that I canOt tell one from the
other.>>It would be an interesting scienti'c study to
determine why>there is such aggressive, hostile reaction>to
criticism that involving Israel, Jews, a Jew,>or some claimed
accomplishment of a Jew,>and why critics are personally
attacked,>and the issue in play is avoided and obscured.>>It
is okay to demean most ethnic groups with words like>raghead,
redneck, wop, wet back, chink, polock, etc.>and little is made
of it, but suggest that something Jewish is negative>and the
 hits the fan and goes 囤ing in all directions,>mostly
toward the critic.>>As this intense negative reaction is
counter productive>to Jews over the long run, and harmful to
the larger society,>it seems that an effort should be made to
examine this problem,>and to see what causes it, and how to
solve it.>>It may be that the intensive religious and ethnic
indoctrination>of Jewish children, which is far more intense
than that of Muslims,>Catholics, etc. is the root cause of
the problem, It may be your brain not working is the root
cause of yours.It is interesting to see that Lloyd ParkerOs
post tends to con'rm my suggestion that many people are
brainwashed to react with aggression and hostility, when
exposed to ideas that con告ct with their conditioning.It
would certainly be in the interests of mankind for a
scienti'c study to be conducted, to see how intense
religious/ethnic conditioning causes social problems.As can
be seen, Jews have often been in the eye of the hurricane and
at times have been drawn into the heavy winds.Most of the
instigators of the class wars of the 1900Os were Jews, and
most of the instigators of the religious wars of the
2000Osare Jews.The question is, does the intense
ethnic/religious conditioning of Jewish children, bring them
into con告ct with their communities, and other religious and
ethnic groups?If so, how can this be prevented?I suggest that
governments should limit the amount of time that a child can
be subjected to ethnic/religious brainwashing.--Tom
Potter
The question is, does the intense
ethnic/religious conditioning > of Jewish children, bring
them into con告ct with their > communities, and other
religious and ethnic groups?In the United States, Jewish
children live in a peacful and law abiding way among and with
their Gentile neibhbors. What con告ct? The occurence of
violence and criminality is much lower among Jews, than in
the country taken as a whole. What con告ct?Bob Kolker
It
would be an interesting scienti'c study to determine why>
there is such aggressive, hostile reaction> to criticism that
involving Israel, Jews, a Jew,> or some claimed accomplishment
of a Jew,> and why critics are personally attacked,> and the
issue in play is avoided and obscured.>> It is okay to demean
most ethnic groups with words like> raghead, redneck, wop, wet
back, chink, polock, etc.> and little is made of it, but
suggest that something Jewish is negative> and the  hits
the fan and goes 囤ing in all directions,> mostly toward the
critic.>> As this intense negative reaction is counter
productive> to Jews over the long run, and harmful to the
larger society,> it seems that an effort should be made to
examine this problem,> and to see what causes it, and how to
solve it.>> It may be that the intensive religious and ethnic
indoctrination> of Jewish children, which is far more intense
than that of Muslims,> Catholics, etc. is the root cause of
the problem,>> As this creates a lot of trouble for Jews, and
the larger society,> perhaps a solution would be to limit the
amount of religious and ethnic> brainwashing that children
can be subjected to.>> As the more intelligent Jews are not
religious anyway,> they should welcome a reduction in
religious indoctrination,> as this would save them time and
money,> and would eliminate a major source of con告ct with
the larger society.>> The world is too small,> to allow this
chasm to persist> between Jews and the larger society,> as it
is a major source of the worlds problems.> Tom Potter
http://tompotter.us>>> [Fread]> Rather remarkably you seem to
have obscured fact with opinion. The Jews> have been a rather
remarkably oppressed people for well over 2000 years.>
Primarily because they insist on maintaining some kind of
identity of> their own. You 'nd this the ultimate sin.
Wishing to remain Jews is the> same as the sin of the
Christians in a pagan world wanting to maintain> themselves
as Christians. Yet you 'nd this condition only unacceptable>
in the case of Jews. What is it about Jews that you 'nd so
offensive?> There have been a considerable number of them,
quit educated and quite> willing to live within norms
established by their surrounding peoples,> who were found so
offensive that they too were attacked by those who> found
them unacceptable. It appears that the Jew cannot be
accepted> until such time as he disappears totally as a Jew.
And even then there> are those who 'nd him unacceptable even
after he is no longer a Jew> save for purposes of ancestry.>
[hanson]> Fred, this is cool! I like that. > [Fred]> That
appears to be part of the problem with people of your ilk.>
You canOt forgive the stiff necked pride of those who claim>
to be a chosen people. Coming in second or not even in> the
race at all has made you consumed with envy. Why bother?> It
is a terrible burden to have to live up to that religious
claim.> Too many demands of superior performance.> FK>
[hanson]> Fred, this is not cool. But, I like that too.> In
your last six lines you have restated IOW exactly what> seem
to bee bothering Tom Potter and many others, wherein> your
envy solution may back're unto your ilk, big time.
Still,
....letOem sing... ALL ofOem ...
itOs a beautiful choir.>
hansonI suggest that what hanson asserts is cool is not
cool at all.As can be seen, fkasner makes the mistake of
equating maintaining some kind of identity with
oppression.The question, what is oppression, and who is and
has been oppressed and why?No doubt, at times, various
nations and peoples have oppressed Jews, but the key
questions are:Why did they do this?How can this be
prevented?For example, during the 1900Os many nations
oppressed Jews because a small group of Jews were
instigating class warfare all over the globe, and Jews in
many nations were giving moral and 'nancial support to the
terrorists.And note that today, many Jews are instigating
religious warfare, and they have placed America and Americans
right in the middle of their religious wars, at the cost of
911, the Iraqi war, loss of American markets, loss of
American allies, dollar 告ght, hatred of America, etc.and no
doubt this will create great hostility toward Jews and
eventually active government oppression as the masses begin
to take note of the cost of the religious wars in terms of
lives, limbs and dollars.The world is too small to allow this
chasm to exist between Jews and other groups. I suggest that
the root cause of the chasm is that many Jews are brainwashed
intently and they react to their conditioning rather than to
actual reality.I suggest that the solution to the problem is
for governments to limit the amount of time that children can
be brainwashed to religious and ethnic dogma. NOte thjat Jews
are conditioned more intently than Muslims, Catholics, idol
worshippers, etc. and this no doubt is the source of the
problem.People who live together should not be conditioned to
set themselves apart from other folks, and to put their
religion and ethnitity above their welfare of the community
they live in.And regarding fkasner assertion that Jews are
oppressed, I dare say that many Palestinians, Muslims,
Blacks, Poles, Irish, Indians, Asians, etc, would gladly swap
their oppression with the Jews over an extended period of
time and space.--Tom Potter
And note that today, many
Jews are instigating religious > warfare, and they have
placed America and Americans > right in the middle of their
religious wars, > at the cost of 911, the Iraqi war, loss of
American markets, Our dependence on middle east oil has
nothing to do with this, of course. And the fact that
fanatical Moslems attack our people and property both at home
and abroad have nothing to do with this, of course.It is only
Jewish activism that creats the Moslem terror, right?The
Wahabite who have been fulminating since the 18-th century
long before the creation of the State of Israel, have nothing
to do with this, right?I would propose to you that Moslem
fanatics have more to do with our current woes, than pro
Zionist Jews.Bob Kolker
= ... snip ... > It would be an
interesting scienti'c study to determine why> there is such
aggressive, hostile reaction> to criticism that involving
Israel, Jews, a Jew,> or some claimed accomplishment of a
Jew,> and why critics are personally attacked,> and the issue
in play is avoided and obscured. It is okay to demean most
ethnic groups with words like> raghead, redneck, wop, wet
back, chink, polock, etc.> and little is made of it, but
suggest that something Jewish is negative> and the  hits
the fan and goes 囤ing in all directions,> mostly toward the
critic. As this intense negative reaction is counter
productive> to Jews over the long run, and harmful to the
larger society,> it seems that an effort should be made to
examine this problem,> and to see what causes it, and how to
solve it. It may be that the intensive religious and ethnic
indoctrination> of Jewish children, which is far more intense
than that of Muslims,> Catholics, etc. is the root cause of
the problem, As this creates a lot of trouble for Jews, and
the larger society,> perhaps a solution would be to limit the
amount of religious and ethnic> brainwashing that children can
be subjected to. As the more intelligent Jews are not
religious anyway,> they should welcome a reduction in
religious indoctrination,> as this would save them time and
money,> and would eliminate a major source of con告ct with
the larger society. The world is too small,> to allow this
chasm to persist> between Jews and the larger society,> as it
is a major source of the worlds problems. --> Tom Potter
http://tompotter.us Rather remarkably you seem to have
obscured fact with opinion. The Jews > have been a rather
remarkably oppressed people for well over 2000 years. >
Primarily because they insist on maintaining some kind of
identity of > their own. You 'nd this the ultimate sin.
Wishing to remain Jews is the > same as the sin of the
Christians in a pagan world wanting to maintain > themselves
as Christians. Yet you 'nd this condition only unacceptable >
in the case of Jews. What is it about Jews that you 'nd so
offensive? > There have been a considerable number of them,
quit educated and quite > willing to live within norms
established by their surrounding peoples, > who were found so
offensive that they too were attacked by those who > found
them unacceptable. It appears that the Jew cannot be accepted
> until such time as he disappears totally as a Jew. And even
then there > are those who 'nd him unacceptable even after he
is no longer a Jew > save for purposes of ancestry. That
appears to be part of the problem > with people of your ilk.
You canOt forgive the stiff necked pride of > those who
claim
to be a chosen people. Coming in second or not even in > the
race at all has made you consumed with envy. Why bother? It
is a > terrible burden to have to live up to that religious
claim. Too many > demands of superior performance.> FKIt is
interesting to see that fkasner equates insist on
maintaining some kind of identity with being oppressed.It
is also interesting to see that fkasner obscures fact with
opinion with his statements:1. You 'nd this the ultimate
sin.2. you 'nd this condition only unacceptable in the
case
of Jews.3. That appears to be part of the problem with
people of your ilk.4. You canOt forgive the stiff necked
pride of those who claim to be a chosen people.5. Coming in
second or not even in the race at all has made you consumed
with envy.As can be seen, fkasner has been severly
conditioned, to think that he is superior, and the folks who
doubt this to be inferior, and he parrots the conventional
boilerplate, and uses the conventional tactic of attacking
the messenger, rather than addressing the message in a
rational, logical, intelligent, MORAL way.As can be seen from
fkasnerOs conditioned response, he, like many brainwashed
people, is unable to discuss certain issues in a rational,
intelligent way, and note that like most brainwashed people,
he strikes out at the messenger in an effort to prevent
discussion of the issue.My position is that the root cause of
the problem is too much religious and ethnic brainwashing, and
the solution is for governments to limit the amount of time a
child can be exposed to ethnic and religious brainwashing. A
good government should require that all citizens put the
nation and itsO mores 'rst, and ethnic and
religious mores
second.fkasnerOs position is that people should attack the
folks interested in 'nding the root cause, and the cure for
this problem.(Con告ct between Jews and the other folks in the
world.)A 'nal note.Note that fkasnerOs response
to my post
clearly reveals that my premise that many people are
brainwashed to react in an aggressive, hostile way to the
discussion of certain issues, is correct.--Tom Potter
http://tompotter.us
>My position is that the root cause
of the problem >is too much religious and ethnic
brainwashing, >and the solution is for governments to limit
the amount >of time a child can be exposed to ethnic and
religious >brainwashing. A good government should require
that all >citizens put the nation and itsO mores
'rst, and
recommendation would violate Constitutional rights regarding
freedom of speech, assembly, etc.2. You apparently have not
recognized that the US Goverment IS a religion. It has every
attribute of a religion. a. Advocates belief in and assumes
there is a God as evidenced by phrases on coins, prayers in
Congress, etc. b. Has sacred texts: Bill of Rights,
Constitution, etc. c. Has high priests: Supreme Court d. Has
sacred places: White House, Arlington National Cemetery e.
Exists so as to preserve the group (Americans)I spent a
words and found, e.g., this:So basically, Tom you want to
replace the traditional religionswith the new nation-state
religions like Americanism. Thisis a very old story Tom.
Looks like you are a
nation-statefundamentalist!--Marshall
So basically, Tom
you want to replace the traditional religions>with the new
nation-state religions like Americanism. This>is a very old
story Tom. Looks like you are a
nation-state>fundamentalist!>>--MarshallAbove, I described
Tom as being a nation-state fundamentalist.Please except my
appologies Tom (IOm sleep deprived.) for thatis a personal
attack. Better that I should have writtenthat Tom is
advocating nation-state fundamentalism. --Marshall
My
position is that the root cause of the problem> is too much
religious and ethnic brainwashing,> and the solution is for
governments to limit the amount> of time a child can be
exposed to ethnic and religious> brainwashing. A good
government should require that all> citizens put the nation
and itsO mores 'rst, and> ethnic and religious
mores
second.In that respect, there is not that much difference
between pious Jews andArabs. They both are intolerant, not
only of each other but of themselves.This is also true of
other fundamentlist religions, including ChristianityThe
solution is to make people valuable. This can be accomplished
by meansof nuclear war. The Human species would not be harmed
if the worldpopulation were pruned down to 100,000,000. Life
would be harder, but notthreatened. It will only be rough on
the people trimmed off or those whoinsist on
luxuries.Bill
The solution is to make people valuable.
This can be> accomplished by means of nuclear war. The Human
species> would not be harmed if the world population were
pruned> down to 100,000,000. Life would be harder, but not>
threatened. It will only be rough on the people trimmed> off
or those who insist on luxuries.You really need to get
together with David Polewka, whohangs out in alt.anagrams.
Blind mass-murderous sociopathicnutcases need a support group
like anyone else.xanthian, former nuclear weapons maintainer,
who wants toremark that if you think you can titrate nuclear
weapons tokill off 59/60ths but not 60/60ths of the human
population,you need a science education
desperately.xanthian.--
> >>>The solution is to make
people valuable. This can be>>accomplished by means of
nuclear war. The Human species>>would not be harmed if the
world population were pruned>>down to 100,000,000. Life would
be harder, but not>>threatened. It will only be rough on the
people trimmed>>off or those who insist on luxuries.>>
>>>>You really need to get together with David Polewka,
who>hangs out in alt.anagrams. Blind mass-murderous
sociopathic>nutcases need a support group like anyone
else.>>xanthian, former nuclear weapons maintainer, who wants
to>remark that if you think you can titrate nuclear weapons
to>kill off 59/60ths but not 60/60ths of the human
population,>you need a science education desperately.>
>HavenOt heard that one, but I have always paid attention
toKruechevOs remark that after a nuclear war the living
wouldenvy the deadjosh halpern>xanthian.>>> >
> The
solution is to make people valuable. This can be>
accomplished by means of nuclear war. The Human species>
would not be harmed if the world population were pruned> down
to 100,000,000. Life would be harder, but not> threatened. It
will only be rough on the people trimmed> off or those who
insist on luxuries.>> You really need to get together with
David Polewka, who> hangs out in alt.anagrams. Blind
mass-murderous sociopathic> nutcases need a support group
like anyone else.>> xanthian, former nuclear weapons
maintainer, who wants to> remark that if you think you can
titrate nuclear weapons to> kill off 59/60ths but not
60/60ths of the human population,> you need a science
education desperately.>> xanthian.ThereOs a much easer way
to
prune.. CanOt remember thename of the island off hand but
thereOs a volcanic islandin the paci'c and
along the main
ridge line thereOs a faultline.. If that fault line were to
shear it would drop ahunk of land about 20 miles long and 4
miles wide into thepaci'c... ThatOs estimated
to send a 70
foot open waterwave across the east coast of US, all of the
east coast ofSouth America, Mexico, England to the west
andall the Populated countries around the paci'c..That would
mean once the wave hits the shallow watersof the land masses
the wave would rise to around 700 feetand wiping a pretty
good hunk of the human infestation ..A set of 3 or 4 small
nukes along the fault line and itwould slide... Heck... its
unstable now and could gonext week for no apparent reason
anyway....Then thereOs drilling into the center of Yellow
Stoneand setting a string of charges all the way to the
magmachamber below.. once you pop that cork you can saygood
bye to at least 3/4 of the earths population...It already has
a 700mm rise in the uplift dome since1895..... Even 2 or 3
earth penetrate nukes would dothe trick.... Timed to detonate
just as the re呈ctiveshock wave meets the impact point of the
'rst device.A mind is a terrible thingPaul R.
Mays
--Some where within the Quantum
StateHttp://Paul.Mays.Comhttp://paul.mays.com/resume.htmlAll
truth passes through three stages:First, it is
ridiculedSecond, it is violently opposedThird, it is accepted
as self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer
It is okay to
demean most ethnic groups with words like> raghead, redneck,
wop, wet back, chink, polock, etc.> and little is made of it,
but suggest that something Jewish > is negative and the 
hits the fan and goes 囤ing in ,> all directions mostly
toward the critic.>PotterOs observation and opinion is very
wide spread and valid.Furthermore, Tom believes that this
Jewish knee-jerk reaction can be traced back to excessive
brainwashing by their religious doctrineor establishment,
resulting them to scream bigot and Anti-Semite upon the
slightest drop of a hat, when they donOt like something.Of
course such Jewish overreaction only aggravates the situation
& thefallout avalanches, resulting in the forced conclusion
(right or wrong)that Jews themselves are the cause, source
and origin of bigotryand Anti-Semitism. An underlaying,
collective cultural pathology may also play a role in this,
in that Jews have an unnaturally excessive desire, craving,
need and demand to be praised, loved and
adored.....whencompared to Non Jews, with the exception that
this very same phenomena can be seen, in different colors, on
the exactly the same level, for the same reasons, from/in the
White Power, Heil, the Black isBeautiful or the La
RazaOs all for me none for you......(nice
company)Along
these same lines, there is an even more unfathomable
JewishMO, which back 'res on them constantly and in告cts
damage ontotheir fellow Jews. ItOs their because I am
Jewish gag, which they do announce incessantly, almost in a
tourette-style fashion .......whenever they tell a good joke,
when they get rich because they worked hard , when they
publish, produce or invent something outstanding.....Jews
seldom to never say:I worked very hard for it, or I was at
they right time at the right place.......but they often to
always attribute their successes to the fact:because I am
Jewish.It may be true that Jews have objectively an above
average IQ becausethey have a superior communal/religious edu
system, because they studywith more intensive interest, work
harder at a task, .....may that be as is, but then they 
it up, diminish or destroy the fruits of their labor by
advertising loudly that all their accomplishments happened
because they are Jewish.It is an old human adage, that if you
walk around and tell everybody thatyou are smarter, richer,
bigger, better, catholic, protestant, Muslim, orJewish, or
atheist, etc.....eventually the vast majority who is not so
smart, not so rich, not so big, not so good, not catholic,
not protestant, not Muslim, or not Jewish, or not
atheistetc.........they will get jealous, angry and if you
keep up with constantly self-anointing yourself in front of
themthey will kick your ass.In case of the Jews, history
shows that they havenOt leaned this lesson forin/their 5700
years of history. Actually, it appears that they love it,
thatthey prefer and work very hard to invite such
backdrafts, so that they can cry and whine bigot and
Anti-Semite, producing a never ending viscous circle for
themselves, between suffering in KZOs and then enjoying the
industrial style extraction of $Billions over the murdered
corpses of their kinfrom the grandchildren and great
grandchildren of their tormentors ........and to
boot........they fully expect these innocent children to love
them.........ahahahaha.........ahahahah..... if Jews are
really 5.5 times smarter,as Robert Kolker has posted them to
be...then what good did it bring
them?ahahahaha..........ahahahahanson
= [racist drivel]
Groups that are over-represented in any 'eld of endeavor,
from mugging> to astrophysics, probably work harder to
participate in those 'elds. ItOs called
merit, something
racists fail to 'nd lacking in> themselves, but all the rest
of the world notices easily by its omission> in their works.
xanthian.I think that is better to invoke some more
intelignent anti-Semites.I will quote the philosopher Cioran
(The Temptation to Exist, Paris Gallimard, 1956. pp. 91-92),
in his autobiographical remorsals.<<If at twenty I loved them
to the point of regretting not being one ofthem, later on,
unable to forgive them for having played a leadingrole in the
course of history, I found myself loathing them with thefury
of love turned to hate. The vividness of their omnipresence
mademe all the more sensitive to the obscurity of my country,
doomed, Iknew, to be smothered and even to disappear; while
they, I knew justas well, would survive everything, whatever
happened.>>Anti-Semitic behavior usually compensates some
de'ciency, thereforeas a friendly I would advice these people
to look for someprofessional help.bandika
>>>>>>>>>> Oh,
for heavensO sake. Children of that age not only can, but
will >>>count>>>>>> for themselves, if only because itOs so
much fun going Seven-three!>>>>>> Seven-three! Neener,
neener!. All these people trying to be nice >for>>>>>> the
sake of the chiillldruuunnn are stupid for not realising
(or,>>>>>> indeed, remembering) how un-nice children
themselves can be.>>>>>>>>>>And who should, as a reminder,
read GoldingOs Lord of the Flies.>>>>>>>>>Yes,
yes.>>>>>>>>>Besides, I think that competitiveness just
prepares the kids for the >real >>>>>world...>>>>>>>>Exactly.
This is what the purpose of all play is, preparation for the
>>>>real world. The modern enlightened educational
approach, though, is >>>>based on keeping kids as sheltered
from the real world as possible >>>>till they reach 18, then
expect them to magically turn into adults at >>>>this date.
Then everybody is surprised why there are so many immature
valedictorian rituals>>>because all the other kids might feel
bad. The gal who>>>lost out proposed that athletic letters
anyone?>>>>:-))><snip>>>Yep. That gal had spunk. SheOll do
well if she continues with>the attitude.>I hope she does. We
need more like her.Mati Meron | When you argue with a
fool,meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just
the same
>>>>>>>> Oh, for heavensO sake. Children of
that age not only can, but will >>count>>>>> for themselves,
if only because itOs so much fun going Seven-three!>>>>>
Seven-three! Neener, neener!. All these people trying to be
nice for>>>>> the sake of the chiillldruuunnn are stupid
for not realising (or,>>>>> indeed, remembering) how un-nice
children themselves can be.>>>>>>>>And who should, as a
reminder, read GoldingOs Lord of the Flies.>>>>>>>Yes,
yes.>>>>>>>Besides, I think that competitiveness just
prepares the kids for the real >>>>world...>>>>>>Exactly.
This is what the purpose of all play is, preparation for the
>>>real world. The modern enlightened educational approach,
though, is >>>based on keeping kids as sheltered from the
real world as possible >>>till they reach 18, then expect
them to magically turn into adults at >>>this date. Then
everybody is surprised why there are so many immature
valedictorian rituals>>because all the other kids might feel
bad. The gal who>>lost out proposed that athletic letters
That gal had spunk. SheOll do well if she continues withthe
attitude./BAH
=In equation (1) can someone 'nd the rational
x, rational y on this quartic?There are the roots, of course,
x = +/- 10423*sqrt(18289), and x = +/-221563225/sqrt(18289),
with y=0, and the point x=0, y =
+/-2309353494175*sqrt(18289), but I need a rational point
with nonzero y.I am fairly certain that there is one around
height of slightly less than 36that does exist, but IOve
not
been able to pry it loose using the mwrankprogram.(1)
18289*x^4 - 85428628717705634*x^2 +
97537313918194915089082200625 = y^2Randall
boundary=-=_NextPart_000_003C_01C37FA6.22532980
=--
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Why do you think that the algorithms in these computer
packages differ?Why arenOt they universal?Any thoughts or
comments?Mark> > Any thoughts?> > Mark> > Nat Silver
<mathelp@worldnet.att.net > If I have the following Example
Data Set:> 14, 29, 32, 38, 41, 45, 68, 71, 74, 83, 86, 87,
94, 99> How would I 'nd the 'rst quartile of
that data set?>
What is the procedure?>> Find the median = 69.5> Then 'nd the
median of the lower half,> which is 38, the 'rst quartile.I
agree with Nat that 38, the median of the lower half, is the
'rst quartile. I have heard about computer packages giving
different answers before. For example, Excel (the least
trustworthy for statistics) says 38.75! Got me how the
packages come up with these.-- Stephen J. Herschkorn
herschko@rutcor.rutgers.edu