A23 === Subject: #65 useful analogy not only for biology but for the Unification of physics forces Brain-stem / Cerebral Cortex == gravity/ Coulomb ; biophysics trilogy book series: Darwin Evolution replaced by Superdeterminism from This post is mostly a comment on the analogy I made. Now I already on the Unification of the Forces of Physics where they all become a Coulomb force. And the force of gravity is the world's weakest force and because gravity has the identical math form as Coulomb-- inverse square, that gravity is the weakest Coulomb force. So I made the analogy in previous posts that the Brain stem is like the force of gravity in physics where the brain-stem operates the functions of heart beat and breathing run on auto-pilot. So the lowest form of maintenance of matter and atoms in the Cosmos is to run those nonliving materials on gravity. But if you have living matter, then gravity is not strong enough to run materials that are alive and you need the Coulomb force with photons and neutrinos. Now I am puzzled as to whether physiology has a term for every part of the brain which is not the Brain-stem itself. Whether the Brain equals Brain-stem plus Cerebral Cortex. Seems to me as though a slip of logic permeates the physiology of the Brain if one does not have a term for Brain subract Brain-stem equals what? Is this what the Cerebral Cortex or does physiology have no term for Brain subtract Brain-stem? Can I assume the Cerebral Cortex equals Brain subract Brain-Stem? If I can assume that then the pretty analogy I make is this: Brain stem is to Cerebral Cortex what the force of gravity is to Coulomb force Brain stem is necessary functions run on auto pilot and requires the least amount of energy, much like gravity is the least amount of energy to keep nonliving matter in motion. And where the Cerebral Cortex runs free to think and requires alot of energy, so also is the Coulomb force. I want to comment also that when we view the force of gravity relative to Coulomb as the analogy brain-stem/cerebral cortex we get a better sense of how those two forces relate to one another and we become more sensible in our ruminations of a Unification of forces of physics. That gravity is simply a weakened Coulomb force and belongs as a tiny subset of the Coulomb force. There should be a newsgroup of sci.physiology of which I have been asking for way back in the 1990s, and the question is, does the term Cerebral Cortex union Brain-stem equal to the entire Brain. I would hate to have to write out this term everything that is the brain except the Brain Stem everytime I talk about it. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies === Subject: #67 useful analogy of brain compartments with forces of physics unification ; biophysics trilogy book series: Darwin Evolution replaced by Superdeterminism from Quantum Mechanics posting-account=fsC03QkAAAAwkSNcSEKmlcR-W_HNitEd Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) (cut) Now of course an analogy is a helper in education and an analogy is not equality or anything approaching equality or sameness. An analogy is to gain insights into similarity and to further increase understanding. So in the above I made a mistake by giving this Brain Stem gravity ---------------- ------------------- Cerebral Cortex Coulomb force I made a mistake of logic and that is always worth pointing out even though the analogy is just a tool helper of understanding. The mistake I made is to suggest Cerebral Cortex is proportional to the Coulomb force as the Brain Stem is proportional to gravity. However, in my Unification book, all the forces of physics are a Coulomb force Where gravity is a Coulomb and StrongNuclear is a Coulomb and WeakNuclear is a Coulomb. So my analogy above would have been far better if I had made it as such: Brain Stem gravity ---------------- ------------------- entire Brain Coulomb force I could have let this issue pass by since it was only a helper tool of understanding but I am persnickety about all facets of logic. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies === Subject: Re: Newton's F=MA is the beginning of motion gravity posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) After Newton's F=MA Einstein followed by his Equivalence Principle. That is the history for change of motion gravity. Mitch Reamsch === Subject: Re: Newton's F=MA is the beginning of motion gravity posting-account=UlqQigoAAADUKXgHhhqS3Em_KfDZERQh 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) No, Newton did not care about F= ma. Newton said F = dp/dt. It was Euler how reduced the latter to the former. get the facts straighrt before you get faks. Mike === Subject: Re: Newton's F=MA is the beginning of motion gravity posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Why does it matter if they are the same thing? Are you implying Newton didn't know what a force was? Your fact is not important. Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laureate 2008 === Subject: Measurement of Gravitomagnetic and Acceleration Fields Around Rotating Superconductors posting-account=wigfZgkAAACDgITarXffzxJygX81YRSs 98),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) know that the universe is best described as being flat and it has a non-zero cosmological constant ¤. A well known cosmological consequence is the observed acceleration of the expansion of the universe. Under these circumstances, gravity can be very well described by a first-order approximation or linearization of Einstein's general relativity theory. Nearly all assessments up to now only considered standard general relativity with no cosmological constant. This leads to the so-called Einstein- Maxwell equations, splitting gravity into gravitoelectric and gravitomagnetic (or frame-dragging) fields very similar to electromagnetism (Forward, 1961; Tajmar and de Matos, 2001). This has therefore been dubbed gravitoelectromagnetism. However, measurements such as WMAP tell us that this is not the complete description as we are missing the influence of the cosmological constant. Linearizing Einstein's equation including ¤ leads to a set of equations which are very similar to the Proca equations that describe massive spin-1 fields (e.g. including the effect of a massive photon in electromagnetism) (Tajmar, 2006; Argyris and Ciubotariu, 1997; de Matos, 2006). The presence of a cosmological constant can be therefore interpreted as a consequence of a massive graviton (or at least -- M. Tajmar, F. Plesescu, B. Seifert, K. Marhold http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0610015 Gravitational Properties of Superconductors --Forschung & Entwicklung http://www.functional-materials.at/rd/rd spa gravitationalproperties de.html GP-B Scientific Papers http://einstein.stanford.edu/content/sci papers/ ----------- Sue... === Subject: Re: Measurement of Gravitomagnetic and Acceleration Fields Around Rotating Superconductors know that the universe is best described as being flat and it has a non-zero cosmological constant è. A well known cosmological consequence is the observed acceleration of the expansion of the universe. Under these circumstances, gravity can be very well described by a first-order approximation or linearization of Einstein's general relativity theory. Nearly all assessments up to now only considered standard general relativity with no cosmological constant. This leads to the so-called Einstein- Maxwell equations, splitting gravity into gravitoelectric and gravitomagnetic (or frame-dragging) fields very similar to electromagnetism (Forward, 1961; Tajmar and de Matos, 2001). This has therefore been dubbed gravitoelectromagnetism. However, measurements such as WMAP tell us that this is not the complete description as we are missing the influence of the cosmological constant. Linearizing Einstein's equation including è leads to a set of equations which are very similar to the Proca equations that describe massive spin-1 fields (e.g. including the effect of a massive photon in electromagnetism) (Tajmar, 2006; Argyris and Ciubotariu, 1997; de Matos, 2006). The presence of a cosmological constant can be therefore interpreted as a consequence of a massive graviton (or at least -- M. Tajmar, F. Plesescu, B. Seifert, K. Marhold http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0610015 Gravitational Properties of Superconductors --Forschung & Entwicklung http://www.functional-materials.at/rd/rd_spa_gravitationalproperties_de.html GP-B Scientific Papers http://einstein.stanford.edu/content/sci_papers/ ----------- Sue... *************** Ahhh.... but try writing a set of linearized field equations that are lorentz invairant, too... gravitoelectromagnetism doesn't just fall out as a natural consequence...too bad. === Subject: Re: Measurement of Gravitomagnetic and Acceleration Fields Around Rotating Superconductors posting-account=wigfZgkAAACDgITarXffzxJygX81YRSs 98),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) [...] Are equations for London forces Lorentz invariant? http://www.research.ibm.com/grape/grape ewald.htm http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PRA/v7/i6/p1832 1 Sue... === Subject: Re: Measurement of Gravitomagnetic and Acceleration Fields Around Rotating Superconductors [...] Are equations for London forces Lorentz invariant? http://www.research.ibm.com/grape/grape_ewald.htm http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PRA/v7/i6/p1832_1 Sue... ************ A set of gravitomagnetic and gravitoelectric forces can be derived from Van spinning superconductors. It's an exciting possibility if true - I really wanna buy a Jetsons gravicar. Greysky === Subject: Re: Measurement of Gravitomagnetic and Acceleration Fields Around Rotating Superconductors posting-account=wigfZgkAAACDgITarXffzxJygX81YRSs 98),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) http://www.research.ibm.com/grape/grape ewald.htm http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PRA/v7/i6/p1832 1 If the car can be constructed with just a few atoms I don't see why not: http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0204024 Sue... === Subject: Re: Measurement of Gravitomagnetic and Acceleration Fields Around Rotating Superconductors posting-account=rIfu6QoAAAD5nXG3h9QEE0J3dZn1U45R Gecko/2008032620 Firefox/3.0b5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) This is for the benefit of those who can learn - the linearized version of general relativity is not cosmologically applicable as the assumption is that the manifold is Minkowski plus a perturbation, which is obviously not the case for FRW cosmologies. BZZT, wrong. The linearized equations do NOT look like Proca's equations. BZZT, wrong. The graviton is spin two. Why even post this? === Subject: Re: Measurement of Gravitomagnetic and Acceleration Fields Around Rotating Superconductors posting-account=UlqQigoAAADUKXgHhhqS3Em_KfDZERQh 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Hello again imbecile. Why don't you give up demonstrating your stupidity? Spin-1 graviton couples to everything but not to itself, while a spin-2 graviton couples to everything and to itself. Spin-1 gravitons are graviscalars or graviphotons. There is also the graviton is a bound state of two spin-1 gravitons. Mike === Subject: Re: Measurement of Gravitomagnetic and Acceleration Fields Around Rotating Superconductors ...just some motivation for you to study some more electrodynamics. http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/lectures.html http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/visualizations/light/index.htm http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/D.Jefferies/antennas.html You are less like an imbecile, but still very much an imbecile without it. Sue... === Subject: Re: Measurement of Gravitomagnetic and Acceleration Fields Around Rotating Superconductors Sure - respond to my trite one liner instead of the legit points. === Subject: Re: Indian has new theory on Big Bang posting-account=5GUrzQkAAADun29oaK3p_W_saUVxxHUF 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) ------------------- now a question: according to that new theory what was the susbtance of the physical entity at the moment of BB: was it pure energy TIA Y.Porat ------------------------- === Subject: Re: Indian has new theory on Big Bang posting-account=RWhJXgoAAAD0Ii04EM3ekAZgGNJ1Bkwy CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Creative ZENcast v1.02.12),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) the universe began at the beginning, and may have done so repeatedly... In simply terms: take an object in hand that CAN be compressed, perhaps a solid but soft rubber ball... imagine if you could apply equal pressure to compress the object to half than it's original size,or greater compresion, the result is an object that now has a given force of pressure wanting to expand to it's original size and shape. Take this to an astonomical level - Black holes, and you have the object that will suck in using the unimaginable power of gravity to compress Anything! and crush it down - imagine that Black hole merging with another - the power imediately becomes greater - swalowing up anything and everything that comes close - given sufficient time.. it will come in contact eventually with all matter in the universe, when that last chuck of rock falls in - it tips the power in the other direction - the force of gravity within the black hole holding everything in - and the force of the compressed matter within wanting to expand outward - as the power struggle mounts, the black hole becomes unstable, and reliquishes control, the end result - a ginormous BigBang! === Subject: Re: Indian has new theory on Big Bang -------------- so you suggest that the situation before or in in moment of BB was a black hole it seems your private understanding i am not sure it is the common understanding ie it was sort of compressed matter yet what was that 'compressed' matter specifically?? was it quarks was it as your name Neutrinos ?? or what ? what is your experimental evidence for your suggetions ?? TIA Y.Porat -------------------------- === Subject: Re: Indian has new theory on Big Bang posting-account=RWhJXgoAAAD0Ii04EM3ekAZgGNJ1Bkwy CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Creative ZENcast v1.02.12),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) there is no way of knowing what happens to all matter after entering a black hole, the forces at work within are just to great to comprehend or experiment to discover - unless someone can come up with a means of generating a similar force of nature as powerful !!! but the possibility of such an occurence - is easy to imagine - we know Black Holes exist, we know what they do, it's common sense to appreciate that all mattter that gets caught will be crushed compacted Infinitesimally small - it stands to reason that these things cannot be stopped - it may take billions of billions of years to move around, consuming all in it's path - but this happens.... eventually all matter will come in contact, however long it takes, and the greater the power of a Black hole.. the greatr it becomes, the greater it's reach to pull in that matter - and the universe will contract into a singular black hole - and I envisage the power struggle as it tries to contain everything - the inevitable conclusion will be reached, all matter within will expand and explode outward(bigBang) - we have the evidence of it happening once -big bang theory- , there is every likelyhood of it happening repeatedly, and as for how it might happen repeatedly - this is one possible theory to consider. === Subject: Re: Indian has new theory on Big Bang posting-account=5GUrzQkAAADun29oaK3p_W_saUVxxHUF 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) ------------- all right but there i snothing quanitative in your response 2 who told you that the BB was a black hole situation ?? the big bang is alegedly was containing **all black oles** and all mater and energy !!?? so if you cant answer my orriginal question: what was the original physical substance for instance was it matter ? was it energy? was it a mixture of both of them ?? and if you dont know please say : 'i dont know ' and may be others think they know ??....(:-)... ATB Y.Porat -------------------------- === Subject: Re: Indian has new theory on Big Bang posting-account=RWhJXgoAAAD0Ii04EM3ekAZgGNJ1Bkwy CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Creative ZENcast v1.02.12),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) sorry if I didn't correctly answer your question - no, the short answer is - I don't know. A black hole is the one thing we know of that CAN consume all matter - so it's plain logic that these are the one item in cosmic phenomena, that could potentially bring all matter into one place, even if doing so took forever, and if there was indeed a BigBang at the start of everything, that BigBang was the release of all material - it was all contained in one place.. and as I'v said, the one thing we know of that could bring all matter together -over time - is a Black Hole, whether or not the forces within would eventually cause it to destabalize - but it seems likely it could happen and may explain the BigBang occurrence, and if it happened once like this - then I see no reason for it not to happen again. Exactly what happens to matter when it enters a black hole? who knows... and what happens when vast quantities get pulled in ?? it may and likely gets transformed into other forms of matter, I simply hypothesise that this may be a possibility, as one black hole meets another untill you end up with a single unimaginably huge and powerful Black Hole - would it be able to contain all the matter in the universe - or once it had done so - would it then become unstable and the forces within overcome the force of the black hole itself - and result in a explosive force so great as to expell all the matter within? and maybe explain what the BigBang really was? and if so - I repeat myself - could such a thing take place repeatedly ? === Subject: Re: Indian has new theory on Big Bang posting-account=5GUrzQkAAADun29oaK3p_W_saUVxxHUF 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) ------------------------- -------------------- repeatedly ?? it might be if our universe will stop expanding and stsrt contraction (yet we will have to live for it a bit more than the next 100 years (:-) now let me tell you the little i gathered from Google: it is sayed there that at the BB all our physical entity was 'in palnck state ' fo r me 'Planck' sate is pure energy now i would like to know if somebody else understands it as i do ?? TIA Y.Porat -------------------------------------- === Subject: Re: Indian has new theory on Big Bang posting-account=5GUrzQkAAADun29oaK3p_W_saUVxxHUF 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) -------------------- repeatedly ?? it might be if our universe will stop expanding and stsrt contraction (yet we will have to live for it a bit more than the next 100 years (:-) now let me tell you the little i gathered from Google: it is sayed there that at the BB all our physical entity was 'in palnck state ' fo r me 'Planck' sate is pure energy now i would like to know if somebody else understands it as i do ?? TIA Y.Porat -------------------------------------- === Subject: Re: Indian has new theory on Big Bang posting-account=RWhJXgoAAAD0Ii04EM3ekAZgGNJ1Bkwy CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Creative ZENcast v1.02.12),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) ha~ yes we Would have to live longer than next 100years (:-) might need to add a quantum string of several more zeros to it :) some more reading.... and a link or two to check out.... Pure Energy - how do You understand it ? all matter on entering a black hole, is likely stripped down to it's it's very atoms, what enters as a rock would in an instant become a stream of atoms, on impacting at the BlackHole core, these would be compressed so tight that, as is said below so that they cannot vibrate! & What happens to the huge amount of energy that locking-in must release? other various atomic material, might become the pure energy you speak of. Matter would not exist as we know it - only it's atomic components, crushed together, locked and generating, building up vast amounts of energy... (pure?)... and I still maintain - crush ALL matter into a singularity, or at least to a point where further compaction is an impossibility, even by astronomical measurements, eventually the energy building up would be so great - eventually it WILL explode outward.(B.B.) some interesting reading:..... http://www.siddeutsch.org/index.html ..... But much more than sadness should be invoked in the above demise of neutron motion in a Black Hole: If it is true, then increasing chaos [CapitalEth] called entropy [CapitalEth] is finally reversed by a simple mechanical locking-in of adjacent neutrons so that they cannot vibrate! What happens to the huge amount of energy that locking-in must release? Since this is a strange, unknown form of matter, perhaps it is the crucible in which hydrogen is regenerated. If the Big Bang took place Òone dayÓ some 14 billion years ago, why was it a one-time occurrence? Since our present universe will expand forever (according to Krauss-Starkman), why did the previous universe collapse into a Big Crunch? What is the justification for cosmic strings, wormholes, and baby universes? But in cosmology, according to the QSS model, the future should become the past. The QSS cosmologists advocate a universe that will eventually contract to yield the equivalent of a Big Crunch, Big Bang sequence. (and on expansion and eventual contraction ) according to Burbidge et al., it will take 36 billion years more before the Òpresent epochÓ reaches the top of the curve. During this period, newly-created hydrogen will add sufficient mass so that, when the Universe arrives at the top, it will stop expanding, and start to contract. This does not answer philosophical questions such as ÒWhen did time begin?,Ó but at least it creates a Big Bang out of something plausible. plus... http://www.amazon.com/review/R15CDMNUQYFENY === Subject: Light becomes mass posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Turn on a light and its energy will raise the mass of the room. MItch Raemsch; How fast is time? === Subject: Re: Light becomes mass posting-account=u5yyuwoAAAC0alBihO0zfZ5bvw3vFf52 CLR 1.0.3705),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) *sigh* Can you please clerify that question? 'time' is a man-made concept... so I suppose it could be however fast you want it to be... in as many different increments. === Subject: Re: Light becomes mass Actually time is that term which man created in order to refer to a physical phenomena which man is describing to describe. That's the way it is for all terms in physics and science in general. Pete === Subject: Re: Light becomes mass posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) If it can slow down how fast is it? Mitch Raemsch === Subject: Re: Light becomes mass posting-account=nf79RwoAAABXjvy5ztMzmPxgY1WGoktI Gecko/20080201 Firefox/2.0.0.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) That's a trick question. How about string like quantum faster than a speeding bullet. . - BG === Subject: Re: Light becomes mass posting-account=u5yyuwoAAAC0alBihO0zfZ5bvw3vFf52 CLR 1.0.3705),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) If it can slow down, it doesn't have a set speed. which means it would be impossible to tell you how fast it is. === Subject: Re: Light becomes mass posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) If it can slow down it needs a starting point to start slowing from. MItch Raemsch === Subject: Re: Light becomes mass This assumes that one is talking about speed as in something changing in time. That is not how time is described. Time dilation is a comparison between different clocks, i.e. the ratio of the results of particular measurements which yields numbers. Pete === Subject: #66 if Pulsars are alien advanced life, what kind of machine is it??; biophysics trilogy book series: Darwin Evolution replaced by Superdeterminism from Quantum Mechanics (snipped) The emissions from pulsars are radio waves and that is about the best way to transmit information over long distances. that Pulsars were the communication between aliens, and especially those alien lifeforms going extinct, trapped in their star system due to the Fusion Barrier Principle and as a beacon out to the rest of the world, there dying epitaph, much like a gravestone having some words printed for remembrance. I also mentioned the last time in writing of pulsars that they could be a ancillary effect to some machine advanced life needs, only I did not elaborate on this. Which I intend to do now. I also kept asking what it takes to build a machine here on Earth that could duplicate the transmission of a given pulsar? Could humanity build such a pulsar machine or too costly in energy to run and operate. But as for an ancillary machine which is used by alien civilization in which the pulsing is ancillary to whatever its primary use is. Well, I thought of a machine in which it pulses as a offshoot or byproduct of its main function. Consider a advanced civilization that builds a planetary Star Stove where they build a gigantic Reflector near their home planet that reflects the starlight. Or it could be a Planetary Air Conditioner that reflects the starlight which is too much and would burn their planet. Now consider as a gigantic parabolic shaped reflector built near a star and as the reflector revolves and rotates around the star, that as the rotation affects the angle of incidence and reflection as to cause a pulse. A rotating and revolving parabolic reflector would create a pulsing of the EM in the radio waves. Depending on the size of the Reflector, that the pulsing could vary from brief time periods to long time periods. There is a bit of data that supports this idea of some fancy machine built by aliens that causes pulsars. It is known that some pulsars shut down and resume pulsing at a later date. This could be maintenance or overhaul. Now this shutting down is observed from a fraction of all pulsars known, but if this shutting down and later resumption is often the case, that would indicate pulsars are alien built machines. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies === Subject: Kids learn by looking posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Children learn to see by looking. Mitch Raemsch === Subject: Re: Kids learn by looking posting-account=kYcXLQoAAAB5OwaEUpwX92BYySN2NjWP I agree only in part. The majority of experts in this forum act as children, but clearly keep their eyes firmly shut tight. Perhaps you should extend this hypothesis to: Children not pitching a hissy fit learn to see by looking. - Shanw === Subject: Re: Kids learn by looking -- I agree only in part. The majority of experts in this forum act as children, but clearly keep their eyes firmly shut tight. Perhaps you should extend this hypothesis to: Children not pitching a hissy fit learn to see by looking. - Shanw Have a hissy fit over this, or keep your eyes firmly shut tight: http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Orbit/Orbit.htm This message is brought to you by Androcles http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ === Subject: Re: Kids learn by looking posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) No body figured out this was a joke? === Subject: Re: Kids learn by looking posting-account=9CbGpgoAAAD2EOomgwt0brXp89Y_RShu CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; InfoPath.1; MS-RTC LM 8),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Visit www.theyoungscientists.in === Subject: Re: Kids learn by looking posting-account=9CbGpgoAAAD2EOomgwt0brXp89Y_RShu CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; InfoPath.1; MS-RTC LM 8),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Visit www.theyoungscientists.in === Subject: Re: Kids learn by looking -- This message is brought to you by Androcles http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ | Visit www.theyoungscientists.in Oh, you want m-o-n-e-y.... === Subject: Re: Kids learn by looking posting-account=rIfu6QoAAAD5nXG3h9QEE0J3dZn1U45R Gecko/2008032620 Firefox/3.0b5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Explains why you post nothing but bullshit and noise over and over. === Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Le_Voyage_hyperspatial__nouvelle_imb=E9cilit=E9_de_la_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?clique_relativiste_=21_Les_dislocations_=E0_grande_vitesse_dan s_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?le_vide_sont_newtonistes_=21=21=21?= posting-account=1qbAGAkAAADcUtlizzXUEb5jUjfAdE2y A son corps d.8efendant, le relativiste Michel Actis nous sugg.8fre deux choses : 1¡ D'abord l'absurdit.8e de la relativit.8e dans le cas d'une augmentation importante d'un corps. Pr.8ecisons deux choses : si le corps observ.8e est (apparait) en acc.8el.8eration, la relativit.8e restreinte ne peut pas s'appliquer (elle s'applique n'en d.8eplaise aux .89nes qui qui ont racont.8e le contraire sur sci.physique pendant des ann.8ees !!! Le plus acharn.8e de ces .89nes cr.89neurs, imbus d'eux-m.90mes est le charlantan Didier Lauwaert qui, de surcroit me poursuivait sur une citation sortie de son cerveau hallucin.8e sur une th.8eorie de l'.8electron aux antipodes des zigzags que je d.8efend. Un sp.8ecialiste du mensonge. Lire les pages que j'ai consacr.8ee aux accumulations de mensonges et d'idoties prof.8er.8ees par cet imb.8ecile dipl.99m.8e. Depuis son exploit de relativit.8e restreinte en acc.8el.8eration, il rase les murs de sci.physique... Bon d.8ebarras ! Contrairement .88 Planck , celui-l.88, on n'a pas eu besoin qu'il parte en retraite... L'.89ne relativiste Didier Lauwaert et son ami de l'.8epoque qui .8etait venu aboyer en meute : Richard Hachel ! Sur le fond : le corps qui atteint une tr.8fs grande vitesse se DISLOQUERA ! Tous ses composants, atomes etc ... retourneront .88 l'.8etat de photons. 2¡ Il en r.8esulte que la vitesse de dislocation est ABSOLUE, objective. Cela ne peut pas .90tre autrement !!!! Une nouvelle preuve que Newton a raison. Il sera possible d'envisager une classe d'exp.8eriences visant .88 montrer que la dislocation des corps .88 tr.8fs grande vitesse est la cons.8equence d'une vitesse absolue et non relative .88 quelque observateur que ce soit LE RAISONNEMENT IMBECILE DES RELATIVISTES LAISSE TOUJOURS LA PLACE A UN OBSERVATEUR QUI REGARDERAIT LE CORPS QUI VA SE DISLOQUER.... COMME AYANT UNE VIT'ESSE DE 1 METRE PAR SECONDE. Il suffit pour cela que l'observateur ait une VITESSE absolue, objective inf.8erieure de 1 m/s .88 la vitesse du corps qui va se disloquer. Ces pauves im.8eciles qui refusent la notion de vitesse en sont une nouvelle fois bons pour le ridicule !!! La loi g.8en.8erale est : les photons pour devenir les briques p.8enulti.8fmes de la mati.8fre doivent .90tre ralentis, pour que leurs chocs continuels 'et cycliques) les am.8fnent .88 se grumeler. et donc .88 former la mati.8fre gazeuse puis liquide puis solide. Le processus inverse est le m.90me dans l'ordre inverse. Quant aux entit.8es intelligentes extraterrestres, si elles existent, elles savent que Newton a raison, se d.8esesp.8frent de voir jean Pierre Petit persister .88 faire la propagande du cr.8etin Einstein (dans toutes les langue's que ses traducteurs b.8en.8evoles lui permettent.) et se d.8esesp.8frent du fait qu'il n'existe aucun raccourci dans l'univers, aucun trou de vers issus du cerveau malade d'ennemis acharn.8es du mat.8erialisme. Et que quiconque atteint le syst.8fme solaire est condamn.8e .88 y rester ..... === Subject: Re: Le Voyage hyperspatial nouvelle =?ISO-8859-1?Q?imb=E9cilit=E9?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_de_la_clique_relativiste_!_Les_dislocation?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?s_=E0_grande_vitesse_dans_le_vide_sont_ne?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?wtonistes_!!!?= Yanick Toutain a .8ecrit : Je ne vois aucune preuve en dehors de votre assertion totalement gratuite (et stupide). Merci de citer vos souces ou de pr.8esenter les calculs qui vous conduisent .88 .8enoncer ce Ç Cela ne peut pas .90tre autrement !!!! È. Quand cela sera-t-il possible ? Quelle est cette classe d'exp.8eriences ? Pouvez-vous d.8ecrire au moin une de ces exp.8eriences ? Donnez vos calculs, preuves et arguments. Cette loi est .88 ce jour totalement inconnue. En .90tes-vous l'auteur ? Quelles preuves pouvez-vous pr.8esenter ? -- kd === Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Le_Voyage_hyperspatial__nouvelle_imb=E9cilit=E9_de_la_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?clique_relativiste_!_Les_dislocations_=E0_grande_vitesse_d?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ans_le_vide_sont_newtonistes_!!!?= A son corps d.8efendant, le relativiste Michel Actis nous sugg.8fre deux choses : 1¡ D'abord l'absurdit.8e de la relativit.8e dans le cas d'une augmentation importante d'un corps. Pr.8ecisons deux choses : si le corps observ.8e est (apparait) en acc.8el.8eration, la relativit.8e restreinte ne peut pas s'appliquer (elle s'applique n'en d.8eplaise aux .89nes qui qui ont racont.8e le contraire sur sci.physique pendant des ann.8ees !!! Le plus acharn.8e de ces .89nes cr.89neurs, imbus d'eux-m.90mes est le charlantan Didier Lauwaert qui, de surcroit me poursuivait sur une citation sortie de son cerveau hallucin.8e sur une th.8eorie de l'.8electron aux antipodes des zigzags que je d.8efend. Un sp.8ecialiste du mensonge. Lire les pages que j'ai consacr.8ee aux accumulations de mensonges et d'idoties prof.8er.8ees par cet imb.8ecile dipl.99m.8e. Depuis son exploit de relativit.8e restreinte en acc.8el.8eration, il rase les murs de sci.physique... Bon d.8ebarras ! Contrairement .88 Planck , celui-l.88, on n'a pas eu besoin qu'il parte en retraite... L'.89ne relativiste Didier Lauwaert et son ami de l'.8epoque qui .8etait venu aboyer en meute : Richard Hachel ! Sur le fond : le corps qui atteint une tr.8fs grande vitesse se DISLOQUERA ! Tous ses composants, atomes etc ... retourneront .88 l'.8etat de photons. 2¡ Il en r.8esulte que la vitesse de dislocation est ABSOLUE, objective. Cela ne peut pas .90tre autrement !!!! Une nouvelle preuve que Newton a raison. Il sera possible d'envisager une classe d'exp.8eriences visant .88 montrer que la dislocation des corps .88 tr.8fs grande vitesse est la cons.8equence d'une vitesse absolue et non relative .88 quelque observateur que ce soit LE RAISONNEMENT IMBECILE DES RELATIVISTES LAISSE TOUJOURS LA PLACE A UN OBSERVATEUR QUI REGARDERAIT LE CORPS QUI VA SE DISLOQUER.... COMME AYANT UNE VIT'ESSE DE 1 METRE PAR SECONDE. Il suffit pour cela que l'observateur ait une VITESSE absolue, objective inf.8erieure de 1 m/s .88 la vitesse du corps qui va se disloquer. Ces pauves im.8eciles qui refusent la notion de vitesse en sont une nouvelle fois bons pour le ridicule !!! La loi g.8en.8erale est : les photons pour devenir les briques p.8enulti.8fmes de la mati.8fre doivent .90tre ralentis, pour que leurs chocs continuels 'et cycliques) les am.8fnent .88 se grumeler. et donc .88 former la mati.8fre gazeuse puis liquide puis solide. Le processus inverse est le m.90me dans l'ordre inverse. Quant aux entit.8es intelligentes extraterrestres, si elles existent, elles savent que Newton a raison, se d.8esesp.8frent de voir jean Pierre Petit persister .88 faire la propagande du cr.8etin Einstein (dans toutes les langue's que ses traducteurs b.8en.8evoles lui permettent.) et se d.8esesp.8frent du fait qu'il n'existe aucun raccourci dans l'univers, aucun trou de vers issus du cerveau malade d'ennemis acharn.8es du mat.8erialisme. Et que quiconque atteint le syst.8fme solaire est condamn.8e .88 y rester ..... D.8ecid.8ement j'ai trouv.8e un nid...A aucun moment je n'ai dit que la masse acc.8el.8er.8ee atteignait la vitesse de la lumi.8fre. De plus, pourquoi voulez-vous que dans le r.8ef.8erentiel propre l'objet se disloque ? C'est absurde ! Mais vous avez raison lorsque vous dites que c'est impropre d'appliquer la RR aux corps qui ont un mouvement acc.8el.8er.8e.. MA === Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Le_Voyage_hyperspatial_nouvelle_imb=E9cilit=E9_de_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?la_clique_relativiste_=21_Les_dislocations_=E0_grande_vitesse_ da?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ns_le_vide_sont_newtonistes_=21=21=21?= posting-account=1qbAGAkAAADcUtlizzXUEb5jUjfAdE2y +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Forme : Il y a eu un bug dans la pr.8esentation. Votre ordi affiche mon texte de la m.90me fa.8don que le v.99tre. J'extrais le v.99tre pour la bonne compr.8ehension des d.8ebats. En r.8eponse .88 mon br.9elot antirelativiste translated by a robot Michel Actis a franchi le mur de son silence habituelle pour tenter d'argumenter .88 mes propos 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Sur le fond, je peux donc r.8epondre. Michel Actis a tent.8e de donner une r.8eponse Cette phase r.8esume .88 elle seule notre d.8esaccord [forme : face .88 un relativiste qui tente d'argumenter honn.8ftement, je fais le m.90me effort que face .88 n'importe quel croyant : la ma.95eutique que je d.8ecouvris .88 13 ans.] Dans votre logique, un objet qui est dans son propre r.8ef.8erentiel pourra continuellement augmenter sa vitesse... physique interne. C'est une farce ! Le mat.8erialiste qui sait que la lumi.8fre est la brique de la mati.8fre, va imaginer les photons qui forment le corps en question avoir des trajectoires de plus en plus rectilignes. En effet : imaginons dans la plaine un troupeau de bisons. Chaque bison du troupeau avance .88 la vitesse de 15 m.8ftres par secondes. On va examiner successivement 3 fa.8dons de se d.8eplacer. 1¡ Tous les bisons avancent de 8 m.8ftres dans le sens de la marche, puis 15 m.8ftres perpendiculairement .88 celui-ci, plus 7 m.8ftres avec l'arri.8fre. Il a parcouru 8+15+7= 30 m.8ftres Il s'est .8ecoul.8e 2 secondes Mais il n'a AVANCE que de 1 m.8ftre dans le sens de la marche. Il refait la m.90me chose, une deuxi.8fme fois pour se retrouver .88 l'endroit o.9d il se trouvait, 2 m.8ftres plus loin.2 m.8ftres plus en avant. En 4 secondes il aura donc fait le m.90me trajet que s'il avait avanc.8e de 2 m.8ftres. La vitesse qui en d.8ecoule est donc 0,5 m.8ftres par seconde. ALORS QUE SA VERITABLE VITESSE EST 30 METRES PAR SECONDE. 2¡Il avance de 9 m.8ftres perpendiculairement,puis de 15 m.8ftres en diagonale. Et enfin de 6 m.8ftres en arri.8fre. Il a avanc.8e de 6 m.8ftres en 2 secondes. Sa vitesse d'avancement est donc de 3 m.8ftres par seonde. 5 fois moins que sa vraie vitesse. 3¡ Il ne fait plus de d.8etour, il avance tout droit : il parcourt 15 m.8ftres par seconde. Voila de quelle fa.8don de d.8eplacent les photons. Ils avancent .88 la vitesse de 299 792 458 m/s en faisant plus ou moins de d.8etours. Le troupeau des photons avancera 5 fois ou 60 fois moins vite selon la nature des trajets internes au troupeau. La d.8ecouvert de Jean Pierre Galinat en 1999 concernant le ralentissement des photons dans l'eau est g.8en.8eralisable. (Il est dommageable que monsieur Galinat, critiquant la relativit.8e n'ai jamais examin.8e s.8erieusement mes th.8fses newtonistes sur le vide et les vitesses absolues-objectives.) Je suis parvenu plus tard aux m.90mes conclusion que lui, de facon g.8en.8eralis.8ee. mais en consid.8erant que tout cela ne pouvait se calculer que objectivement, dans le vide. Jean Pierre Galinat appelait les d.8etours des photons dans l'eau l'effet slalom En effet, dans l'eau les photons qui cognent contre les mol.8ecules sont oblig.8es de slalomer entre les obstacles. JP Galinat .8ecrivait fort justment que la vitesse de la lumi.8fre dans l'eau restait constante. L'histoire lui rendra l'hommag qu'il m.8erite. Ce chercheur intelligent est parti sous les quolibets des cr.8etins qui se croient les kapos des forums sci.physique. Il leur a d.8eplu ; il s'est fait insulter. La seule diffrence de traitement, c'est qu'il fut autoris.8e .88 s'.8echapper, sans plus .90tre menac.8e. La terreur psychologique que les gangsters relativistes font r.8fgner sur Internet va bient.99t cesser. Quant aux arguments (d.8epourvus d'argumentation) de monsieur Actis, les mat.8erialistes les prendront comme ils sont : du baratin. Un corps qui acc.8el.8ererait continuellement serait (farce !) immobile dans son propre r.8ef.8erentiel !!! Il pourrait donc continuer ainsi (.8eternellement ?) sans jamais que de facteur physique ne vienne interrompre ce processus. Mais si dit l'imb.8ecile relativiste : l'observateur, lui, celui qui regarde, il fixe une limite : le corps qui acc.8el.8fre le peu pas atteindre la vitesse de la lumi.8fre. N'essayons pas de convaincre que la pr.8esence d'un deuxi.8fme observateur entre le corps acc.8el.8erant et le premier observateur fait s'effondrer son ch.89teau de carte...; En effet, il suffit que ce deuxi.8fme observateur s'arrange pour voir le corps en acc.8el.8eration.88 la m.90medisrtance que le premier obervateur : il verra le corps acc.8elrant aller moins vite que le premier obsrvateur !!! Nous nous savons que l'acc.8el.8eration d'une fus.8ee consiste .88 REDUIRE LE cons.8equence, le trajet de plus en plus rectiligne des photons aboutira .88 les lib.8erer. LE CORPS SE DISLOQUERA !!! Salutations aux mat.8erialistes. Yanick Toutain http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:Q9DZm718ft4J:www.bisons-du-perigord.com/L e-bison.html+vitesse+des+bisons&hl=fr&ct=clnk&cd=12 === Subject: Re: Le Voyage hyperspatial nouvelle =?ISO-8859-1?Q?imb=E9cilit=E9?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_de_la_clique_relativiste_!_Les_dislocation?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?s_=E0_grande_vitesse_dans_le_vide_sont_ne?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?wtonistes_!!!?= Yanick Toutain a .8ecrit : Comment le savons-nous ? Donnez des preuves s'il vous pla.94t. Preuves s'il vous pla.94t. -- kd === Subject: The Voyage hyperspatial new imbecillity of clicks relativistic! Dislocations at high speed in the vacuum are newtonists!!!!! posting-account=1qbAGAkAAADcUtlizzXUEb5jUjfAdE2y automatic translation babelfish yahoo Yanick Toutain To post the profile Other options Apr 21, 04:35 sci.physics, fr.sci.philo Room: Lun Apr 21, 2008 04:35 === Subject: The Voyage hyperspatial new imbecillity of clicks relativistic! Dislocations at high speed in the vacuum are newtonists!!! To answer | To answer the author | To transfer | To print | Individual message | To post the original | To announce this message | To seek the messages of this author - To mask the text of the preceding messages - - To post the text of the preceding messages - With his defending body, the relativist Michel Actis suggests us two things: 1¡ Initially nonsense of relativity in the case of an increase important of a body. Let us specify two things: if the body observed is (appears) in acceleration, restricted relativity cannot apply (it applies with due respect to the asses which told the opposite on sci.physic during years!!! Keenest of these asses show-offs, imbus of themselves is it charlantan Didier Lauwaert which, in addition continued me on one quotation left its brain hallucinated on a theory of the electron with the antipodes of the zigzags which I defend. A specialist in the lie. To see the pages which I devoted to accumulations of lies and of idoties uttered by this graduate imbecile. Since its exploit of relativity restricted in acceleration, it shaves walls of sci.physicÉ Good boxroom! Contrary to Planck, that one, one did not require that it leaves in reprocessÉ ÒThe relativistic ass Didier Lauwaert and his friend of the time which was come to bark in pack: Richard Hachel! Ò On the bottom: the body which reaches very an high speed WILL DISLOCATE! All its components, atoms etcÉ will turn over to the state of photons. 2¡ It results from it that the speed of dislocation is ABSOLUTE, objective. That cannot be differently!!!! A new proof that Newton rightly. It will be possible to consider a class of experiments aiming at showing that the dislocation of the bodies at very high speed is the consequence of an absolute velocity and nonrelative to some observer that it that is to say THE IDIOTIC REASONING OF THE RELATIVISTS ALWAYS LEAVES THE PLACE HAS AN OBSERVER WHICH WOULD LOOK AT THE BODY WHICH SE WILL DISLOCATEÉ. LIKE HAVING A VIT' ESSE OF 1 METER A SECOND. It is enough for that the observer has an ABSOLUTE VELOCITY, objectify lower by 1 m/s at the speed of the body which goes to dislocate. These pauves im.8eciles which refuses the concept speed is one new time goods for the ridiculous one!!! The general law is: photons to become penultimate bricks matter must be slowed down, so that their continual shocks 'and cyclic) bring them to grumeler. and thus to form the matter gas then solid liquid then. The opposite process is the same one in the inverse order. As for the extraterrestrial intelligent entities, if they exist, they know that Newton rightly, are in despair to see Jean Pierre Small to persist in making the propaganda of the Einstein cretin (in all the langue' S which its voluntary translators allow him.) and despair owing to the fact that it does not exist any short cut in the universe, no hole of worms resulting from the sick brain of keen enemies of materialism. And that whoever reached the solar system is condemned to there to remain ..... === Subject: Re: electron emitter details for double slit experiment posting-account=21qK2woAAADgDXzdjprGEPNP9dUjWxRr 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.40607),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) On Apr 18, 4:04Êpm, John Larkin Assuming that they are monochromatic photons you get a standing wave established that propogates out away from the equal path length crossing point (white light fringe position) at the speed of light until the photon is absorbed or detected. If you tried to time gate the output to isolate only the short path you would know which slit the photon passed through and so the interference fringes would vanish. I am pretty sure that if the gate was set to anything beyond the path length of the longer path you would see fringes. I don't know if it has been done experimentally. Discussing this with you has caused me to consider what would happen with ultra fast time gated systems and I have a thought experiment that I think might actually be possible in the lab using Pockel cells to switch a beam for a suitable choice of wavelength with a moderately long coherence length. My physical intuition is normally pretty good, but I cannot decide what would happen in the following setup: A laser beam is pointed into the apparatus and a pair of Pockel cells are arranged that are both normally closed and are then opened in a very tight short window (40ns on/off transitions are routine now). The timing of the gates is arranged so that only photons which are momentarily trapped inside the gap width g between the cells can ever reach the detector. A photon has to have a certain coherence length to have a well defined frequency in E = hv. But in this experiment we force the photons to be localised in a space shorter than this length so that according to a short length of pure tone peep. If the gap is shorter than the photons coherence length they must end up with a more dispersed energy distribution. Their energy distribution with a spectrograph afterwards. If the time gated individual photons do change in energy (as I am sure they must) where do they grab the energy from during their brief spatial confinement? And for extra marks would the results be any different if the Pockel cell shutters were either mirror surface rather than totally absorbing on their inner surfaces. The really tricky question is what happens when the beam is so dim that only one photon at a time is trapped in the gap. How does it lose or gain energy then? (I presume it is borrowed from the collapsing wavefunction outside the gate but I honestly don't know - and the experiment might at least in principle be doable). I am fairly confident that the uncertainty principle wins here, but I am much less means that it has to eveolve in time and return back to being a photon of energy E fairly quickly after leaving the confining volume. I'd be interested to hear what folks with a modern QM education think would happen here and why. Or even better has this experiment already been done and what were the results? My own QM knowledge is somewhat dated. Martin Brown === Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michelson_n=27a_jamais_fait_d=27exp=E9rience_=3A_miroir_tro?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?p_petits=2C_pas_de_bras_allongeable=2E?= posting-account=1qbAGAkAAADcUtlizzXUEb5jUjfAdE2y m.90me Miller qui a cru d.8eceler un effet cyclique (p.8eriodique) dont la petitesse disqualifie sa v.8eracit.8e logique. Il y aura une exp.8erience utilisant ce ph.8enom.8fne quand LA LARGEUR DES MIROIRS SERA PROPORTIONNELLE A LA VITESSE ABSOLUE ATTENDUE (approximativement) et quand LA VARIATION DE LA LONGUEUR DU BRAS OPPOSE AU LIEU D'EMISSION PERMETTRA AUX DEUX FLUX DE LUMIERE D'ATTEINDRE LA CIBLE AU MEME ENDROIT. Les trois imb.8eciles qui ont oubli.8e les enseignements de Newton se sont acharn.8es avec un dispositif absurde : quand les photons ne loupaient pas les miroirs ou la cible, ils atteignaient les capteurs avec un d.8ecalage en largeur incompatible avec la d.8etection de quelque effet interf.8erom.8etrique que ce soit Mais il est vrai que ce genre de raisonnement est inaccessible aux victimes du clerg.8e einstenien, qui, mettant la charrue avant les boeufs r.8ecusent a priori l'existence du vide... Sauf naturellement quand le grand gourou leur parle de vitesse de la lumi.8fre dans le vide Pour construire une exp.8erience avec le dispositif Michelson, IL FAUT AJOUTER UN BRAS A LONGEUR VARIABLE AU DISPOSITIF DE MICHELSON. mais il y a plus simple : piquer le dispositidf du mystique autrichien. On aura la m.90me chose en plus simple :!!! salut aux mat.8erialistes intelligents, polis et silencieux. Yanick Toutain http://monsyte.blogspot.com/ === Subject: Re: Michelson n'a jamais fait =?ISO-8859-1?Q?d=27exp=E9rience_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=3A_miroir_trop_petits=2C_pas_de_bras_allon?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?geable=2E?= Yanick Toutain a .8ecrit : Les autres seront fusill.8es sur vos ordres, Grand Ma.94tre ? -- kd === Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Michelson_n'a_jamais_fait_d'exp=E9rience_:_miroir_trop?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_petits=2C_pas_de_bras_allongeable.?= Importance: Normal Il est ... Les intelligents et les ssilensieux il les .8epargnera. sauf les .8epil.8ees :-) : Mais si je trouve cela tr.8fs logiquement compr.8ehensible je ne comprends pas pour les poilus. C'est quoi un mat.8erialiste poilu? Un viril? un vrai de vrai ,avec des poils? ?-) Fripounette ( oui ) === Subject: Re: Michelson n'a jamais fait d'exp.8erience : miroir trop petits, pas de bras allongeable. Bonjour, Un mat.8erialiste poilu, c'est un Oran-outang. Un vrai de vrai. :-) Au revoir. Bernard Lempel http://lempel.net 480cca01$0$884$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr... === Subject: Re: Michelson n'a jamais fait d'exp.8erience : miroir trop petits, pas de bras allongeable. Et la marmotte et le chocolat... -- hpspt === Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Michelson_n'a_jamais_fait_d'exp=E9rience_:_miroir_trop?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_petits=2C_pas_de_bras_allongeable.?= reply-type=response Importance: Normal Pourquoi que tu lui r.8eponds? tu vois bien qu'il est devenu compl.8etement fou il dit n'importe quoi Les photons c'est des briques qui ralentissent pour s'aglomerer maintenant :-))))) Moi je veux bien l'aider mon bon Yanickounet mauis il faut qu'il accepte de reconnaitre que je suis en mesure de l'aid.8e s'il le veut. j'ai les connaissances pour l'aid.8e grandement Mais je crois pas que son instinct de m.89lle ne lui permettera de le reconnaitre et de m'.8ecout.8ee. Fripounette (tr.8fs attrist.8ee de son prot.8eg.8e qui veut pas optemp.8erer et pr.8ef.8ere se fourvoyer dans des b.8etises qui vous font rire MDR). sinc.8erement je voudrai qu'il devienne plus s.8erieux il passe du coq .88 l'ane de fa.8don triste il parle bien de l'acc.8el.8eration des corps x = 1/2 m VÓ et expliqe super bien pourquoi .8da acc.8el.8ere de 10 m.8ftre pas seconde sur terre et puis ensuite, il dit des conneries .8enorme. je ne le comprend pas. === Subject: Re: Michelson n'a jamais fait d'exp.8erience : miroir trop petits, pas de bras allongeable. Yanick Toutain dans son message nous a fait l'honneur d'.8ecrire: Une exp.8erience .88 faire par tout le monde http://pagesperso-orange.fr/oncle.dom/humour/entartometre/toutain.htm -- Oncle Dom _________ http://pagesperso-orange.fr/oncle.dom/ === Subject: Re: Michelson =?iso-8859-1?q?n'a_jamais_fait_d'exp=E9rience?= : miroir trop petits, pas de bras allongeable. Le Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:53:20 -0700, Yanick Toutain a .8ecritÊ: Et mon grand bras sur ta gueule de con, .8da te dirait? fu2 kivabien -- L'intelligence n'a pas vocation .88 respecter la b.90tise, mais .88 la r.8eduire. === Subject: Michelson never made experiment: mirror too small, not of extensible arm. posting-account=1qbAGAkAAADcUtlizzXUEb5jUjfAdE2y L there forever have experience made by Michelson, neither Morley, nor even Miller who believed to trace a cyclic effect (periodic) of which smallness disqualifies its logical veracity. There will be experience using this phenomenon when the WIDTH OF MIRRORS WILL BE PROPORTIONAL TO THE AWAITED ABSOLUTE SPEED (roughly) and when THE VARIATION IN THE LENGTH OF THE ARM OPPOSES INSTEAD OF EMISSION PLACE. The three imbeciles who forgot the lesson of Newton are baited with an absurd device: when the photons did not loupaient the mirrors or the target, they the sensors with a shift in incompatible width reached with the detection of some interferometric effect that it is But it is true that this kind of reasoning is inaccessible to victims of the Einsteinian clergy, which, putting the plough before oxen challenge a priori the existence of the vacuumÉ Except naturally when the large guru speaks to them Òspeed of light in the vacuum To build an experiment with the Michelson device, AN ARM SHOULD BE ADDED HAS VARIABLE LONGEUR WITH THE DEVICE OF MICHELSON. but there is simpler: to prick the dispositidf of the mystic Austrian. There will be the same thing in simpler:!!! hello with the intelligent, polished and quiet materialists. Yanick Toutain http://monsyte.blogspot.com/ automatic translation === Subject: Re: Michelson never made experiment: mirror too small, not of extensible arm. posting-account=qKxGxgkAAADAPfYVCc-ZQkIzl0senr2M Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) I have read your post. You would probably appreciate my comments. Tom Davidson Richmond, VA === Subject: Re: Michelson never made experiment: mirror too small, not of extensible arm. posting-account=1qbAGAkAAADcUtlizzXUEb5jUjfAdE2y Bonjour Tom Davidson a post.8e : qui se traduit par : J'ai lu votre courrier. Vous appr.8ecieriez probablement mes commentaires. J'appr.8ecierais certainement.... sans le moindre d.8ebut d'h.8esitation... J'appr.8ecierais .... mais... encore faut-il que vous m'indiquiez .88 quel endroit il m'est possible de les lire... vos commentaires.... Je suis impatient ! I would certainly appreciateÉ. without the least beginning of hesitationÉ I would appreciateÉ. butÉ still it is necessary that you indicate to me with which place it is possible for me to read themÉ your commentsÉ. I am impatient! We are working to initiate the grestest scientific revolution of the human story : Back to Democritos, Epicuros, Titus Lucretius, Newton, VI Oulianov-L.8enine. Nous travaillons pour lancer la plus grande r.8evolution scientifique de l'histoire humaine : De retour .88 Democritos, Epicuros, Titus Lucretius, Newton, VI Oulianov-L.8enine. Salutations mat.8erialistes Yanick Toutain === Subject: Re: Michelson never made experiment: mirror too small, not of extensible arm. :) tes propos sont d.8eja assez incoh.8erents en fran.8dais alors imagine une fois pass.8es .88 travers un 'automatic translator': mdr I believe plutot qu'il envoie you promener === Subject: Re: Michelson never made experiment: mirror too small, not of extensible arm. nowhere se fendait de cette prose : Comme quoi vous le lisez in extenso ;-) -- LeLapin === Subject: Re: BEYOND EINSTEIN: NEWTON AND MICHELL posting-account=Lz-LbgoAAABPDavKeW-eYeobwLHD_cvQ CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Some Einsteinians, e.g. John Stachel, have already extracted all possible money from Einstein's idiocies and are now ready to adopt Newton's emission theory of light. Others, e.g. Tom Roberts, think more money could be extracted from Einstein's idiocies: http://www.aip.org/history/einstein/essay-einstein-relativity.htm John Stachel: The idea that a light beam consisted of a stream of into the middle of the 19th century. It was called the emission theory of light, a phrase I shall use. The need to explain the phenomena of interference, diffraction and polarization of light gradually led physicists to abandon the emission theory in favor of the competing wave theory, previously its less-favored rival. Maxwell's explanation of light as a type of electromagnetic wave seemed to end the controversy with a definitive victory of the wave theory. However, if Einstein was right (as events slowly proved he was) the story must be much more complicated. Einstein was aware of the difficulties with Maxwell's theory-and of the need for what we now call a quantum theory of electromagnetic radiation-well before publishing his SRT paper. He regarded Maxwell's equations as some sort of statistical average-of what he did not know, of course-which worked very well to explain many optical phenomena, but could not be used to explain all the interactions of light and matter. A notable feature of his first light quantum paper is that it almost completely avoids mention of the ether, even in discussing Maxwell's theory. Giving up the ether concept allowed Einstein to envisage the possibility that a beam of light was an independent structure, as he put it a few years later, which is radiated by the light source, just as in Newton's emission theory of light.......If we model a beam of light as a years later (1909), Einstein first publicly expressed the view that an adequate future theory of light would have to be some sort of fusion of the wave and emission theories. This is an example of how the special theory of relativity functioned as a theory of principle, limiting but not fixing the choice of a constructive theory of light. http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i6272.html John Stachel: As a theory of principle (see above), the theory of relativity provides important guidelines in the search for such a satisfactory theory. Einstein anticipated the ultimate construction of a complete worldview that is in accord with the principle of relativity.[25] In the meantime, the theory offered clues to the construction of such a worldview. One clue concerns the structure of electromagnetic radiation. Not only is the theory compatible with an emission theory of radiation, since it implies that the velocity of light is always the same relative to its source; the theory also requires that radiation transfer mass between an emitter and an absorber, reinforcing Einstein's light quantum hypothesis that radiation manifests a particulate structure under certain circumstances. 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See for example the multiple WBZ in the Philippines where young crust overides older crust: Oh, and Neal Adams is a crank. We agree about that. -- Florian Toute v.8erit.8e passe par trois phases. D'abord, elle est ridiculis.8ee; ensuite, elle rencontre une vive opposition avant d'.90tre accept.8ee comme une totale .8evidence - Arthur Schopenhauer === Subject: Re: Can you imagine a more heinous ideology than Islam? Islam broke world records of genocide, slavery, religiously sanctioned rape, abuse of human rights, and prohibition of scientific inquiry. It forbids Muslim emigration to the lands of the infidels because a Muslim minority cannot enslave the infidel majority. As can be seen, seems to be a member of the religious Gang, that instigates conflict and war for power and wealth. In the 1900's, while the Muslims were being controlled, exploited, and oppressed by Western Nations, the race/religion motivated War-for-Profit Gang massacred the Russian Royal Family, co-opted the Russian government, and used Russia as a base of operations from where to instigate the Class Wars of the 1900's. After their Class Wars were discredited and the Native Russians regained control of their government, (A work in progress as can be seen by the efforts of the Oligarchs and supporter of the War-for-Profit Gang in Israel, England and America,.) the War-for-Profit Gang instituted a phony Free Jews campaign, and migrated to Israel, England, and America at the expense of the American Taxpayers, and they are using these places as bases from where to instigate the Religious Wars of the 2000's to get back in the chips, as the loot from their Class Wars is almost gone. (German reparations, numerous holocaust scams, numerous tax-free and taxpayer funded holocaust scams, using friendly courts to steal lightly protected assets, etc.) It does not take a system engineer to comprehend who the members of, and the Fellow Travelers with, the War-for-Profit Gang are as they aggressively and actively use the government, the media, and the Internet to try to con American Blacks, Latinos, and Rednecks into sacrificing their lives, limbs, liberties and fortunes, to kill folks of another religion. It is interesting to see that Churchill eventually wised up and admitted.: 'We slaughtered the wrong pig.' -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: Re: Can you imagine a more heinous ideology than Islam? posting-account=qKxGxgkAAADAPfYVCc-ZQkIzl0senr2M Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) To address the question of the subject line, Yes. Tom Davidson Richmond, VA === Subject: Re: Anti-Global Warming Hypothesis right-wingers.. Then, you should have no problem disproving the global warming hypothesis, and the studies that were used to define it.. --I guess that leaves you out, as that would be a false argument.. === Subject: Re: Rigorous definition of Planck's Constant [snip stupidity] -- All that babble about how fucking experienced you are in antennas, and -- you don't even know what multipole moments are. It is interesting to see that Eric Gisse claims that he has remote vision, and can do Google searches on the minds of people. Hopefully Gisse will demonstrate his psychic powers by posting the gmail passwords of some sci.physics regulars. I am sure many readers would like to see just how powerful Gisse's psychic powers are. I think this would open up a whole new dimension of physics!!!! -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: Re: The delusions of the idle. It is interesting to see that Mark L. Fergerson and his ilk get laws passed making it a crime for folks to question the Holocaust Industry's version of the so-called Holocaust yet here he is demanding proof that folks have been victims of Institutionalized Bigotry, when it is clear that Jews have institutionalized Bigotry, and use it every day to Jimmy Carter and Mel Gibson politicians, companies, and individuals, who make public TRUTHFUL statements that Jews don't want the public exposed to. To read the stories of a few of the many folks who have been victims of Institutionalized bigotry visit the web site below. -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: Re: The delusions of the idle. The definition of bigot is: A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own. As can be seen in this thread, Mark L. Fergerson makes a great effort to label me as a White Supremacist when the fact of the matter is that my best friends are Blacks, I taught in an all Black inner city High School, I defend Blacks, Muslims, Asians, and Latinos, I am married to an Asian, and the flower girl at my grandson's recent wedding was a beautiful, little Black girl. And why is Mark L. Fergerson such a bigot, and why is he trying to silence and discredit me? Because I pointed out, that Jews have come into conflict with all of their neighbors throughout history, and that they were central to the Class Wars of the 1900's, and are central to the Religious Wars of the 2000's. To read the stories of a few of the many folks who have been victims of Institutionalized bigotry visit the web site below. -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: Re: The delusions of the idle. posting-account=42V-qwoAAABOAKkANAhMmpW4F3ZbRLXb Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Apparently the real Tom Potter is too busy to participate in this thread and has returned to one of his old habits; activating a very simple stimulus-response program (affectionately known by regulars here in sci.physics as the Potterbot) to substitute for him. Unfortunately Tom Potter has not programmed the Potterbot with current data, i. e. that his charge of bigotry against me has been falsified using his own chosen definition. His lapse is evidenced by the Potterbot's continuing to make the falsified claim. Tom Potter of course knows that I have tried to do the exact opposite- to get him to speak on many subjects, for instance which of his opinions he believes have not been respected, but he chooses to maintain unexplained silence on them. Tom Potter of course knows he is the only one who can prevent discrediting of his posts' content as biased- by such actions as renouncing his support of the self-described White Supremacist authors of the websites jewwatch.com and adamsbible.com, naming a single Jew he would call good, or a single action he would characterize as right performed by a Jew. Unfortunately this information the Potterbot also lacks. Tom Potter failed to program the Potterbot with the fact that those neighbors have also come into conflict with all their non- Jewish neighbors throughout history. And of course the Potterbot has not been programmed to substantiate Tom Potter's assertions with evidence. It will be easy to tell when the real Tom Potter returns to the discussion; when he responds directly to my earlier challenges: 1. Potter is hereby challenged to clearly state his opinions that he alleges I have not tolerated and cite specifically how I have demonstrated my alleged intolerance of them. If he refuses he is morally obliged to publicly withdraw the charge or be demonstrated to not behave in a MORAL fashion; i. e. be exposed as a blatant liar and hypocrite. 2. Potter is hereby challenged to quote me lying and provide independent proof that I lied. If he cannot he is morally obliged to retract the accusation or be demonstrated to not behave in a MORAL fashion; i. e. be exposed as a blatant liar and hypocrite. 3. Potter is hereby challenged to quote me making distortions and provide independent proof of what he claims I distorted and how I distorted it. If he cannot he is morally obliged to retract the accusation or be demonstrated to not behave in a MORAL fashion; i. e. be exposed as a blatant liar and hypocrite. 4. Potter is hereby challenged to quote me stating a half-truth. If he cannot he is morally obliged to retract the accusation or be demonstrated to not behave in a MORAL fashion; i. e. be exposed as a blatant liar and hypocrite. 5. Potter is hereby challenged to provide a quote of me calling him a White Supremacist. If he cannot he is morally obliged to withdraw the accusation or be demonstrated to not behave in a MORAL fashion; i. e. be exposed as a blatant liar and hypocrite. 6. Perhaps Potter equates my pointing out his association with the self- professed White Supremacists who operate jewwatch.com and adamsbible.com with calling him that term. He is hereby challenged to disassociate himself from them. If he refuses he is morally obliged to withdraw the accusation or be demonstrated to not behave in a MORAL fashion; i. e. be exposed as a blatant liar and hypocrite. Mark L. Fergerson === Subject: Re: Sad News. John Wheeler is dead. What's to explain, Potter? Of course I'm associated with Iowa State University... Those aren't my words, but those of Google. What's your problem Potter? -- I suggest that Potter ought to look at the content more closely and -- try perhaps work on his comprehension a bit. As folks with good comprehension can see, you seem to be trolling for people with poor comprehension, people who will be impressed by the fact that you are or were on the payroll for Iowa State University, and your url is edu-observatory.org Just what kind of observatory are you running anyway? Considering that Archimedes Plutonium was on Dartmouth's payroll, perhaps he should emulate you and use the url EDU-PHYSICS.ORG and point out that he was associated with Dartmouth. I will say that you do feature pretty good content, but in my mind you cheapen your site, and yourself by pretending to be something you are not. -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: Re: Sad News. John Wheeler is dead. It is interesting to see that PD and his buddy Eric Gisse, do not think that Sam Wormley is capable of defending his use of a misleading URL ( edu-observatory.org ), and his implication that his web site is operated by Iowa State University, so they jump in and provide support with personal attacks, rather than with rational, intelligent, MORAL discourse. I wonder if the old saying Thicker than thieves. applies to the Einstein Cult??? -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: Re: Sad News. John Wheeler is dead. posting-account=rIfu6QoAAAD5nXG3h9QEE0J3dZn1U45R Gecko/2008032620 Firefox/3.0b5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Why do you care who or what operates and hosts the site? === Subject: Re: Sad News. John Wheeler is dead. -- Why do you care who or what operates and hosts the site? I care about who or what operates and hosts the site, because it appears to be an attempt to appear to be something it isn't. What I'd like to know is: why do you care, about why I care about who or what operates and hosts the site? Are you writing a book about me? If so, you'll have to sign a contract with my agent, if you want me to answer personal questions. -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: Re: Sad News. John Wheeler is dead. posting-account=rIfu6QoAAAD5nXG3h9QEE0J3dZn1U45R Gecko/2008032620 Firefox/3.0b5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Books only get written about interesting people. === Subject: Re: Sad News. John Wheeler is dead. posting-account=nPH_PQkAAACneDKT6RXopPWArC2We4Rq AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1 Safari/525.13,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Of course, he's capable. What on earth would lead you to a ridiculous presumption like that. However, you are publishing to a public forum, wherein by posting you expressly invite mockery from all comers. I seized on that opportunity. It is still interesting to see that Potter cannot distinguish a .org from a .edu domain, and that he continues to whine that he is being deliberately misled in his naivety and dweebitude. It is certainly a good thing that Potter resides in a place where he could be protected, if he so chose, from being misled on the internet. === Subject: Re: Sad News. John Wheeler is dead. -- Of course, he's capable. -- What on earth would lead you to a ridiculous -- presumption like that. What lead me to the rational presumption that you think that Wormley is incapable of defending his use of a misleading URL is that you: went to the trouble of finding some non edu sites that have edu in their URLs, composed your low class, personal attack post, and then intruded on my response to Sam. As the old saying goes: Who asked you to butt in? Did I? Did Sam? Are you trying to help Sam, or do you have some kind of mental problem? -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: Re: Sad News. John Wheeler is dead. posting-account=nPH_PQkAAACneDKT6RXopPWArC2We4Rq AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1 Safari/525.13,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Personal attack?! I was positively oozing with care and concern for you, while noting with complete objectivity what anyone with at least half a wit would instantly grasp from reading your post -- that you cannot distinguish .edu domains from .org domains and you are perhaps rightfully terrified by being misled in the sites that you visit. Well, as I said, and which you snipped, out of obvious disdain for facts, you are publishing to a public forum, wherein by posting you expressly invite mockery from all comers. I seized on that opportunity. === Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Ten_more_reasons_Obama_shouldn=92t_be?= President: NoEinstein If you read your own posts your hate of Obama shows through very clearly. You are a first class hypocrite Your no Einstein or a Jefferson. You are an ass hole Bert === Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Ten_more_reasons_Obama_shouldn=92t_be_President=3A?= posting-account=8k9z_QoAAABfJ6zct3wDB2k3FKfRerU2 5.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) with someone, and hating that person. Obama happens to have excess testosterone that makes him very determined. But just because he is determined to be President doesn't make that the best thing for the USA. You should learn to love instead of hate. It's all a matter of having the right attitude! Ñ NoEinstein Ñ === Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Ten_more_reasons_Obama_shouldn=92t_be?= President: No Einstein You are sweet poison. Fork tongue Can't see further than your nose. You have your hate,and its easy for all to realize. Bert === Subject: Re: Light falls in time; it changes energy Plonk! === Subject: Re: Light falls in time; it changes energy posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Gravity increases light energy when it enters slower time. === Subject: Re: Light falls in time; it changes energy ETAuAhUAup1WnZadHxlwzWcIwPwdrqwhXQoCFQCBlO9SPCmBtTtybXf7P8/PHvkwbQ== Since space curving is both concave and convex Light can fall up. Bert === Subject: Re: Light falls in time; it changes energy Have you been around for the last eight years and read his constant condescending comments regardless of how many times I've given him a break? No. Well I'm fed up with it and am giving him back what he's given . Pete === Subject: VOLCANIC ACTIVITY IN ANTARCTICA _ an open letter to Ross Garnault, Australia Prime Minister Kevin Rudd Advisor posting-account=A8pKuwoAAADgN1XZv1qMScsBr5QF9k98 1.1.4322; MSN Optimized;FR; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; MSN Optimized;FR),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Mr Garnaut This is copy for information of a post on aus.ng and sci.geo.geology etc ng, with my comments following below In all evidence you do not know where the Earth comes from and whereto it is heading, just as any of your colleagues advisers to Australia Prime Minister Kevin Rudd... With a situation gone out of hand, only another approach not based on short term profit but of sustenance will be able to save you all from disaster. In clear this would mean putting the banking, financial, medic, drug industry , poisons manufacturing, food etc cash greedy vultures outlawed sectors under close scrutiny & control I do not think any of you people is able to do this, and the preesent situation reminds me of the Titanic steaming at full speed on 14th of April 1912 night, t while the feasts were going on onboard until an abrupt stop in the dancing & dining. You are concerned by the situation but you have not the least idea of that real & irreveresible situation since as those people in the Titanic, 96 years ago, you believe all to be living in a closed world... It 's an open system on the contrary and all of the Physics constants which you take as granted, are in fact variables Your faithfully Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud Australia Mining Pionner *************************** DROUGHT PRODUCED BY CLIMATE CHANGE DRYING UP AUSTRALIA Act now to prevent even more disasters By Deborah deMoulpied For the Monitor April 19, 2008 - 12:00 am G'day from Down Under. I am in Australia visiting my sister, a hobby farmer north of Melbourne. Far from my green hills in Bow, New Hampshire, this is quite a different scene - and it isn't pretty # ~snip Back in New Hampshire, we talk about the weather, while here they talk about the rain - in millilitres. It drizzled 4 ml shortly after I arrived, which barely wet the leaves and then evaporated with the high winds (another result of climate change). It rains perhaps once a month, averaging only half an inch. Wells have gone salty, and drilling good water is now rare. A severe wind storm blew up red dust from the north and became a blinding dust bowl which then rained mud (that was the 4 ml). The number of days over 100 degrees has increased steadily each year. Nervousness is in the air at the mention of fire. Down here, the sea level has risen 4 inches in the past 60 years. Urbanites are arguing with farmers about water usage - the war on water has begun. etc # snip rest of story Well, well, interesting ! ... al the more since this is not cyclic as the True Geology demonstrates conclusively, but an irreversible situation resulting from Earth drift on Ecliptic towards Mars etc & Pluto orbits Nothing to worry about by the way since this is the normal progression of every planet in every solar system ... born from Mother star, driven in progressively reduced Cosmic Density Atmosphere ( notion proper to the True Geology ) to the bio range to which in due course it does escape, and Beliefs & Dogmas from religious sects & their alleged prophets will not change a iota to that process, as well as Beliefs & Dogmas peddled from all those Academics pontifying Dwarf (s) in their Oxford, ANU, Caltech etc Universities ... all the more since according to the True Geology hence, and then Planetary Expansion (local case of EE being observed) which is part of that arcane, we should see soon important Volcanic Activity in East Antarctica of the importance of the Krakatoa eruption of 26 / 27th of August 1883 There is already some noted volcanic activity in the Pine Island Bay + an important underwater volcano detected recently in the Weddell sea by survey ship l But nothing indeed of the size anticipated for the Queen Maud Land & under the East Antarctica Ice shelf .... I said before the anticipated rise of the 7 seas could be 1 m at the end of this very year, and as a consequence of accelerated Planetary Expansion consecutive to Global Warming, a few volcanoes of the Erebus calibre could prove me wrong with then 5 m rise in Australia next Xmas .... This should stir things up a bit especially in the Murray where water will be seen flowing at top level .... sea water of course In the meantime Rudd and his 1000 Retards have trying to initiate a Brainstorm ... that will end as miserable puffing Willy-Willy of course, GONE WITH THE WIND !!! Indeed none of those Universities brainwashed Cretins knows anything about the True Geology : 1) The birth of Australia a mere 12 000 years, 2) The origin of Pilbara Iron Ore & Manganese province as former Magnetic Pole of the Earth when the Equator was around present poles at that above indicated time mark ! 3) and a thousand other things direct or induced from the True Geology understanding Further still such mind programmed fools have as basic paradigm the stablility of Earth on Ecliptic since creation ! ... the ONLY ONE who could have given Rudd all the answers he requires is the one who put 3 mines on the MAP OF THE LAND OF BASTARDS indeed, and which that Convict Rabble kicked out as best expression of Gratitude & Recognition possible ... trying but failing to murder that outstanding Geological Genius as certainly some of the Mining & Political Criminals class intended ... NOW WE CAN SEE THE RESULTS ! ... with those poor fools trying to understand the whole synthetic panorama & conceive at the same time the induced collateral damages of such out of hand situation... Beyond the reach of those STERILE indeed and stereotyped little minds in all evidence. WHERE AUSTRALIA BE WITH A 5 M SEA RISE SOON ???? This is the question any of you should ask Rudd, Carpenter & Co, alongside that question : Is it not a fact that you whole Great Sandy Desert Multi Trillions Dollars Cover up Scheme failed ? and are you proud of yourself unmasked with that 38 years duration Collectivise Crimes on your hand ??? Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud Australia Mining Pioneer Discoverer of Telfer, Nifty & Kintyre mines in the Great Sandy Desert Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant Bus ph + 33 6 50 17 14 64 Founder of the True Geology ~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One never Forgiven ~ for background info. http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/nac.html http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/turcaud.htm http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s28534.htm Additional addressees Ross.Garnaut@anu.edu.au, contactus@garnautreview.org.au, Peter.Garrett.MP@aph.gov.au, Greg.Hunt.MP@aph.gov.au, senator.faulkner@aph.gov.au, R.McClelland.MP@aph.gov.au, Malcolm.Turnbull.MP@aph.gov.au, senator.scullion@aph.gov.au, senator.wong@aph.gov.au, senator.carol.brown@aph.gov.au, senator.obrien@aph.gov.au, senator.polley@aph.gov.au, senator.sherry@aph.gov.au, Catryna.Bilyk@alp.org.au, Duncan.Kerr.MP@aph.gov.au, D.Adams.MP@aph.gov.au, Jodie.Campbell.MP@aph.gov.au, Sid.Sidebottom.MP@aph.gov.au, Julie.Collins.MP@aph.gov.au, Tony.Burke.MP@aph.gov.au, A.Albanese.MP@aph.gov.au, Julia.Gillard.MP@aph.gov.au, S.Crean.MP@aph.gov.au, senator.carr@aph.gov.au, senator.ludwig@aph.gov.au, martin.ferguson.mp@aph.gov.au, Anthony.Byrne.MP@aph.gov.au, senator.bushby@aph.gov.au, senator.barnett@aph.gov.au, senator.watson@aph.gov.au, senator.colbeck@aph.gov.au, senator.parry@aph.gov.au, letters@smh.com.au, letters.editor@canberratimes.com.au, letters@theaustralian.com.au , mercuryedletter@dbl.newsltd.com.au === Subject: Re: VOLCANIC ACTIVITY IN ANTARCTICA _ an open letter to Ross Garnault, Australia Prime Minister Kevin Rudd Advisor posting-account=A8pKuwoAAADgN1XZv1qMScsBr5QF9k98 1.1.4322; MSN Optimized;FR; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; MSN Optimized;FR),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) and the demonstration of the consequences of such could be seen in softening of sea water ... As a clue right here in France, while conducting an environmental survey with professionals of the sea, I learnt that oysters which some years back were mature in 18 month, NOW TOOK 3 YEARS TO ACHIEVE ADULTHOOD ! The dilution of minerals needed to construct the oysters shells, in clear Sodium (in NaCl) alchemically transformed into Calcium & Mg too by the way ( oh yes, as that poor University backed sci000nce ignores indeed ), is obviously reduced. I will follow that lead and find out from CSIRO equivalent here, the present concentrations of sea water minerals ! .. and of course I am supporting all my research & True Geology writing on my own fortune + all other expenses incumbent to my rank. ( ...and God knows how much it costs me to maintain my 2 Breton stage- coach horses, although happily the wrangler's cost are shared with my cousin) Anyway the True Geology is again making a breakthrough in understanding of our past & indeed anticipation of our future ... as for the present it flowing through at accelerated pace between those borders Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud ~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One never Forgiven ~ === Subject: Re: VOLCANIC ACTIVITY IN ANTARCTICA _ an open letter to Ross Garnault, Australia Prime Minister Kevin Rudd Advisor posting-account=mwrYUwoAAABwnOipDbLKoGFKF_CgA62m 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Just like the earthquakes tidal waves plagues you predicted for Sydney / Australia etc.... idiot === Subject: Re: VOLCANIC ACTIVITY IN ANTARCTICA _ an open letter to Ross Garnault, Australia Prime Minister Kevin Rudd Advisor posting-account=mwrYUwoAAABwnOipDbLKoGFKF_CgA62m 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Just like the earthquakes tidal waves plagues you predicted for Sydney / Australia etc.... idiot. === Subject: Re: VOLCANIC ACTIVITY IN ANTARCTICA _ an open letter to Ross Garnault, Australia Prime Minister Kevin Rudd Advisor posting-account=A8pKuwoAAADgN1XZv1qMScsBr5QF9k98 1.1.4322; MSN Optimized;FR; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; MSN Optimized;FR),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) for God sake, Rabbid scum of Eduard Groenstein get yourself circumcised ... again, and for fuck sake just shut up then ... You are as mad as your Dr Fraud of Vienna babbling friend ...remember, that sexual-deviant drug-addict's sick statements reached such level of abjection, some people had to remove that beast 's jaw to stop it ! ... and so do yours ... Short of that, why don't you eat Kosher and go to the Synag from time to time to pat the back of the Thora.... It would certainly do you some good. You can go in piece now, little Turdstein rat, you have done your act SHABBAT SHALOM === Subject: Re: VOLCANIC ACTIVITY IN ANTARCTICA _ an open letter to Ross Garnault, Australia Prime Minister Kevin Rudd Advisor Master, I think The Man from Havana is not the Groenstein beast. WELLDONE! Yep! === Subject: Re: Campaigning is a 'Science', too. posting-account=8k9z_QoAAABfJ6zct3wDB2k3FKfRerU2 5.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Heretofore, we humans have tried to find security by siding with a strong group with a strong leader or leaders. Often this had been for the protection of our own physical well-being, not just to gain some vague economic or sociological advantage. In the last two centuries Blacks have rallied together for their common cause of reducing discrimination against their numbers. Though they have been hugely successful, there are areas in which discrimination still exists. So, any Ôideal' America must address the concerns of BlacksÑfairly and equitably. There has never been a Black President of the USA. Jesse Jackson, Colin Powell, Al Sharpton, and now Barack Obama are smart Black men who have each been considered for this country's highest office. A recent poll showed that 76% of voters would be willing to consider a Black candidate for President. Since Obama is the Black candidate of the moment, his spinners quickly implied that 76% of the voters want Ôhim'. But his viability as a candidate is being brought into question because of the recent negative press over Reverend Jeremiah Wright's Òdamn the USAÓ sermon, and due to Obama's candid remarks showing his frustration in trying to appeal to those who have fallen on hard times in the Òsmall townsÓ of Pennsylvania, and across America. In recent weeks I've explained how the apparent unity of the Black community behind Obama is, actually, an ominous sign for America. How could that be? Obviously, there would be racial pride among Blacks in finally having a Black elected President. But is that ÒprideÓ a sufficient justification for electing Obama? A prudent observer would expect that a candidate's support would vary up and down as new revelations about his or her qualifications are aired. When negative aspects concerning Obama surfaced before the Texas and Ohio primaries, Obama's support among Blacks Ôshould' have varied, too. But his 90 plus percent of the Black vote stayed steadyÉ And THAT fact is what is most ominousÑbecause it shows that a huge voting block is biased, beyond reason, to support a candidate who isn't qualified either by experience, or because of his character or lack of same, to be President. ÒThe oratorÓ, Obama, comes across as an angry fighter for his causes. He appeals to those who are angry enough to fightÉ or who will rally around someone who will do so for them. Electing people to Òfight for usÓ in Washington is what has been going on in this country since it was established. After a typical election, about 50% of the voters are losers, and they don't like it. Nor does the losing party Òlike itÓ. So, whatever good sounding rhetoric that got a politician elected, usually gets squelched in the constant ÒfightsÓ in our perennial, ineffectual congresses. So, an Obama Presidency would be a loose/loose situation for America. In our time of discontent, the USA has an untapped UNITY that holds perhaps the only promise of salvation for this country! To wit: 81% of adults are Òunhappy with the direction this country is headedÓ. And such number of citizensÑif united for the common objective of correcting the problemsÑcan FORCE the needed changes! Only by being Òunited in our discontentÓ can the American people MEET the constitutional requirements to change things! And there isn't anything that Congress or the Courts can do to stop it! Presently, Barack Obama's continued candidacy for President is the main obstacle to correcting those solvable problems! For too long our political partiesÑunsanctioned by the ConstitutionÑhave royally screwed up America! They have done so, primarily, by insertingÉ political party sanctions into our could have been democracy- approximating form of government. Without fair representation of each individual citizen, regardless of race, sex, color or creed, this country is on a path to failure. We Òdiscontented citizens of the USAÓ must NOT let that happen! CNN's John King points out that Obama's best chance to win in Pennsylvania is by his getting a high percentage ofÉ the Black vote in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. But if those Blacks are united behind Obama because of his ÒcolorÓ alone, then racial issues have DIVIDED America much more than they ever were before Obama came on the scene! If Blacks are rallying behind Obama, because he seemsÉ mad and wants to fight, they are KILLING any chance they might have had to correct the remaining discrimination against their numbers. Blacks must NOT be one-dimensional, color-is-all-that-matters, people! As strong a voting block as their numbers are, there aren't enough Blacks to counter the likely WHITE discontent that will surface if there is any color based, reverse discrimination in this country. So, there is no way that Obama can help to end the discrimination against Blacks. Daily, thousands of Blacks who have felt so disenfranchised that they have never registered to vote, are being hustled to support Obama. But voting is a PRIVATE privilege, NOT a predestined duty for one candidate! Obama is violating principles of democracy by inserting his organization into the voter registration process in any way whatsoever. The best and perhaps only way for Blacks to get fair treatment is for them to UNITE to change our governmental processes to be more closely a democracy. But this read-between-the-lines process to change won't happen if Blacks cause this country to become more polarized along racial lines by continuing to support Barack Obama! The most positive outcome in Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana is to have a DECREASING percentage of BLACKS voting for that man! Then, and only then, will Blacks show that they haven't been BOUGHT by anyone! If Blacks want their just and equitable share of power, they can have it by voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton for President of the United States of America. If they will do so, ALL Americans will be the beneficiaries! Respectfully submitted, Ñ NoEinstein Ñ === Subject: i have to be brief cause i am on probation from the mental institutiton posting-account=DN75NQoAAAAmbTBmr15yOidSQichxLOE Media Center PC 3.0; .NET CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) i don't have much time and money too to tell you more on this cause i am still under physical mental and economical arest in the BARDOVCI mental institution. take a look at this picture please: GWBasic W. Bush is several rangs lower SS AGENT under direct comand of TATO VASE the FEARER. zoom into the central strar here: TATO VASE THE FRIENDLY PACIFISTIC HIPPY FEARER is silver star watch with 6 sand or even better imabalance clocks. i hate to do this but can you spare a few dollars and send them on str 1251 #26 Skopje 1060 Macedonia. my snickers are falling apart and i must cover my genitalials with Adam's klif. by the way people don't trust my work being worthy a while cause it doesn't bring me money or it doesn't bring money to any one else too. I thank 1st6(good goodes) 2nd6(devil satana) and 3rd6(titan and === Subject: Re: Welcome! to the Physics Newsgroups posting-account=7bF0GwoAAABMFHX6V4fON4-1F6LFJ834 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) ... ... ... The operations are (roughly, my guess): 1) post to Google 2) delay 3) post visible on Google 4) delay 5) post goes to usenet et al 6) delay 7) search on Google with newly added keywords (such as one's own name), sorted by date, returns your own last post. Delays 2 and 4 are very short (minutes). Dealy 4 may actually occur paralle with delay 6. Delay 6 can be anywhere from 30 minutes to half- a-day. Google does most bulk processes by batch. They search web pages by batch. They search newsgroup posts by batch. They process those batches into abbreviated versions that are local to Google and (then) rapidly searched. Peter was not aware about Google's internals. He was posting and reading from Google, and the batch delay affects him more than someone that posts and reads via a formal NSP. David A. Smith === Subject: Re: Compelling evidence for in vacuo light speed anisotrophy posting-account=1FV9tgoAAADH0azT7-mxErKgugI383zU Gecko/20060414,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) -- Continuation of earlier reply by Surfer It is not large. But another factor to consider is that the above run might not be from data used for final calculations. The experiments here presented have involved the taking of an enormous amount of observational material, by far the greater part of which was for the purpose of making adjustments and for preliminary trials of conditions; while only the smaller portion, which is still very large, has been used in the final calculations. If you selected runs at random, you may have obtained the run presented in your paper from the greater part rather than from the smaller portion. Page 212, left hand column On some occasions the temperature conditions are so steady that no adjustment of fringes is required through several sets, which may cover an interval of an hour or more. In the run that you present in your paper, several adjustments can be seen, so it is clearly not not from the better data. Not during storms. For a realistic comparision, I think you should consider attempts to determine average wind velocity over a period of a year. For wind velocity during a year, the relative magnitudes may be as great or greater. He didn't analyse the Joos data. He merely commented on it. Eg In: http://redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/V11NO1PDF/V11N1CA2.PDF In Fig.16 that one rotation data are compared with the form expected for Jena on May 30 using the Miller speed and direction together with the new refractive index effect,and using the refractive index of helium.The agreement is quite re- markable. I class that as information of a type that doesn't prove anything, but that nevertheless has interest value. -- === Subject: Re: Compelling evidence for in vacuo light speed anisotrophy posting-account=1FV9tgoAAADH0azT7-mxErKgugI383zU Gecko/20060414,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) I am just pointing out that your error analysis in that section doesn't reflect the real situation. Miller contemplated an idealist model. Eg he noted that under ideal conditions all the numbers in column 1 (and in column 17) should be the same integer. However he processed his data in a manner suitable for a realist model, ie for a fluctuating signal. That method of processing produced useful results. In particular, Miller modeled temperature effects as a linear drift and treated any deviations from that as signal. So he records fluctuations as part of the signal. That was realistic because he did experiments to confirm that temperature effects could be modeled that way. In contrast, your error analysis uses the idealist model, that assumes that any real signal would have the same value at Marker 1 and Marker 9. (That is a false premise as I pointed out) So your analysis uses an idealist model (and a false premise) that comes to wrong conclusions. In contrast, inspite of idealist contemplations, when it came to practice, Miller used a realist model that produced useful results. What you say would be true for a calm and stable medium. But looking at Section IV, I see another false premise. At the top of page 6 you write: data = signal(orientation) + systematic(time) The key point is that signal(orientation) is independent of time, and for each orientation (marker) it has the same value for every turn of the interferometer within a given data run Therefore if the data from the first turn is subtracted marker-by-marker from the data of every turn, the result is completely independent of any orientation dependence, and contains only systematic(time). What is false here, is that for a fluid medium, the velocity would vary with time, so the signal would vary with both orientation and time. That would be true if the uncertainty had been correctly calculated. But owing to the false premise mentioned above, your logic and calculations that follow would be wrong. That means nearly everything in Section IV would be wrong. To be continued... === Subject: Can the Second Law of Thermodynamics Be Circumvented? Can the Second Law of Thermodynamics Be Circumvented? The validity of the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics seems to be beyond question. Under the first law, the total energy content of a closed system must remain constant. Under the second law, the availability of that energy for useful purposes must always decrease or remain constant. In effect, the First Law of Thermodynamics states that you can't win and the Second Law states that, furthermore, you can't break even. The First Law of Thermodynamics is unquestionably true, energy can neither be created nor destroyed, General Relativity not withstanding. The Second Law of Thermodynamics stands on less firm ground because it is a law based upon statistics. As such, it is in the same category as an actuarial table. An insurance company can predict quite accurately how many people will die in a given year. They cannot predict who those people will be. Statistical laws are valid for large numbers of events; they become less significant as the number of events is reduced. As an example, if one patronizes a casino, he might initially win a large sum of money playing a slot machine, but if he continues to play he not only will give all his winnings back to the casino, he will sustain a significant loss. The question then arises as to whether it is possible to by-pass the Second Law of Thermodynamics though the use of nanomachines. (A nanomachine is a mechanism whose significant dimensions are measured in nanometers, the size scale of atoms.) One who observes Brownian motion in a microscope might reasonably conclude that,in principle at least, a nanomachine could be built which would bypass the Second Law of Thermodynamics. When a liquid containing continuous (Brownian) motion. That motion is caused by random thermal thermal motion of water molecules can produce a visibly observable motion in unreasonable to believe that suitable nanomachines could organize the effect to produce a useful mechanical output. The postulated nanomachines would then be able to export energy to the outside environment that it obtained by reducing the temperature of the liquid. The exported energy would be converted to heat and raise the temperature of the external environment as the output performed useful work. The resultant temperature difference between the environment and the liquid will then cause the energy which had done useful work to flow back into the liquid to return it to its original temperature and allows the process to continue indefinitely. James Clark Maxwell proposed a hypothetical perpetual motion machine, known as Maxwell's Demon, which was not proven to be THEORETICALLY unworkable for 75 years. In that machine, Maxwell imagined that a demon controlled a microscopic gate between two gas filled chambers. Making use of the fact that, in a gas, the velocity of the molecules is random and that the temperature of the gas is determined by the mean velocity of those molecules, Maxwell proposed the concept that, if an appropriate demon existed, he could sense the speed of molecules approaching the gate and open the gate only when a fast molecule approached it from one side or when a slow molecule approached it from the other side. By operating the gate in this manner,