A23 === Subject: #65 useful analogy not only for biology but for the Unification of physics forces Brain-stem / Cerebral Cortex == gravity/ Coulomb ; biophysics trilogy book series: Darwin Evolution replaced by Superdeterminism from This post is mostly a comment on the analogy I made. Now I already on the Unification of the Forces of Physics where they all become a Coulomb force. And the force of gravity is the world's weakest force and because gravity has the identical math form as Coulomb-- inverse square, that gravity is the weakest Coulomb force. So I made the analogy in previous posts that the Brain stem is like the force of gravity in physics where the brain-stem operates the functions of heart beat and breathing run on auto-pilot. So the lowest form of maintenance of matter and atoms in the Cosmos is to run those nonliving materials on gravity. But if you have living matter, then gravity is not strong enough to run materials that are alive and you need the Coulomb force with photons and neutrinos. Now I am puzzled as to whether physiology has a term for every part of the brain which is not the Brain-stem itself. Whether the Brain equals Brain-stem plus Cerebral Cortex. Seems to me as though a slip of logic permeates the physiology of the Brain if one does not have a term for Brain subract Brain-stem equals what? Is this what the Cerebral Cortex or does physiology have no term for Brain subtract Brain-stem? Can I assume the Cerebral Cortex equals Brain subract Brain-Stem? If I can assume that then the pretty analogy I make is this: Brain stem is to Cerebral Cortex what the force of gravity is to Coulomb force Brain stem is necessary functions run on auto pilot and requires the least amount of energy, much like gravity is the least amount of energy to keep nonliving matter in motion. And where the Cerebral Cortex runs free to think and requires alot of energy, so also is the Coulomb force. I want to comment also that when we view the force of gravity relative to Coulomb as the analogy brain-stem/cerebral cortex we get a better sense of how those two forces relate to one another and we become more sensible in our ruminations of a Unification of forces of physics. That gravity is simply a weakened Coulomb force and belongs as a tiny subset of the Coulomb force. There should be a newsgroup of sci.physiology of which I have been asking for way back in the 1990s, and the question is, does the term Cerebral Cortex union Brain-stem equal to the entire Brain. I would hate to have to write out this term everything that is the brain except the Brain Stem everytime I talk about it. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies === Subject: #67 useful analogy of brain compartments with forces of physics unification ; biophysics trilogy book series: Darwin Evolution replaced by Superdeterminism from Quantum Mechanics posting-account=fsC03QkAAAAwkSNcSEKmlcR-W_HNitEd Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) (cut) Now of course an analogy is a helper in education and an analogy is not equality or anything approaching equality or sameness. An analogy is to gain insights into similarity and to further increase understanding. So in the above I made a mistake by giving this Brain Stem gravity ---------------- ------------------- Cerebral Cortex Coulomb force I made a mistake of logic and that is always worth pointing out even though the analogy is just a tool helper of understanding. The mistake I made is to suggest Cerebral Cortex is proportional to the Coulomb force as the Brain Stem is proportional to gravity. However, in my Unification book, all the forces of physics are a Coulomb force Where gravity is a Coulomb and StrongNuclear is a Coulomb and WeakNuclear is a Coulomb. So my analogy above would have been far better if I had made it as such: Brain Stem gravity ---------------- ------------------- entire Brain Coulomb force I could have let this issue pass by since it was only a helper tool of understanding but I am persnickety about all facets of logic. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies === Subject: Re: Newton's F=MA is the beginning of motion gravity posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) After Newton's F=MA Einstein followed by his Equivalence Principle. That is the history for change of motion gravity. Mitch Reamsch === Subject: Re: Newton's F=MA is the beginning of motion gravity posting-account=UlqQigoAAADUKXgHhhqS3Em_KfDZERQh 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) No, Newton did not care about F= ma. Newton said F = dp/dt. It was Euler how reduced the latter to the former. get the facts straighrt before you get faks. Mike === Subject: Re: Newton's F=MA is the beginning of motion gravity posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Why does it matter if they are the same thing? Are you implying Newton didn't know what a force was? Your fact is not important. Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laureate 2008 === Subject: Measurement of Gravitomagnetic and Acceleration Fields Around Rotating Superconductors posting-account=wigfZgkAAACDgITarXffzxJygX81YRSs 98),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) know that the universe is best described as being flat and it has a non-zero cosmological constant ¤. A well known cosmological consequence is the observed acceleration of the expansion of the universe. Under these circumstances, gravity can be very well described by a first-order approximation or linearization of Einstein's general relativity theory. Nearly all assessments up to now only considered standard general relativity with no cosmological constant. This leads to the so-called Einstein- Maxwell equations, splitting gravity into gravitoelectric and gravitomagnetic (or frame-dragging) fields very similar to electromagnetism (Forward, 1961; Tajmar and de Matos, 2001). This has therefore been dubbed gravitoelectromagnetism. However, measurements such as WMAP tell us that this is not the complete description as we are missing the influence of the cosmological constant. Linearizing Einstein's equation including ¤ leads to a set of equations which are very similar to the Proca equations that describe massive spin-1 fields (e.g. including the effect of a massive photon in electromagnetism) (Tajmar, 2006; Argyris and Ciubotariu, 1997; de Matos, 2006). The presence of a cosmological constant can be therefore interpreted as a consequence of a massive graviton (or at least -- M. Tajmar, F. Plesescu, B. Seifert, K. Marhold http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0610015 Gravitational Properties of Superconductors --Forschung & Entwicklung http://www.functional-materials.at/rd/rd spa gravitationalproperties de.html GP-B Scientific Papers http://einstein.stanford.edu/content/sci papers/ ----------- Sue... === Subject: Re: Measurement of Gravitomagnetic and Acceleration Fields Around Rotating Superconductors know that the universe is best described as being flat and it has a non-zero cosmological constant è. A well known cosmological consequence is the observed acceleration of the expansion of the universe. Under these circumstances, gravity can be very well described by a first-order approximation or linearization of Einstein's general relativity theory. Nearly all assessments up to now only considered standard general relativity with no cosmological constant. This leads to the so-called Einstein- Maxwell equations, splitting gravity into gravitoelectric and gravitomagnetic (or frame-dragging) fields very similar to electromagnetism (Forward, 1961; Tajmar and de Matos, 2001). This has therefore been dubbed gravitoelectromagnetism. However, measurements such as WMAP tell us that this is not the complete description as we are missing the influence of the cosmological constant. Linearizing Einstein's equation including è leads to a set of equations which are very similar to the Proca equations that describe massive spin-1 fields (e.g. including the effect of a massive photon in electromagnetism) (Tajmar, 2006; Argyris and Ciubotariu, 1997; de Matos, 2006). The presence of a cosmological constant can be therefore interpreted as a consequence of a massive graviton (or at least -- M. Tajmar, F. Plesescu, B. Seifert, K. Marhold http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0610015 Gravitational Properties of Superconductors --Forschung & Entwicklung http://www.functional-materials.at/rd/rd_spa_gravitationalproperties_de.html GP-B Scientific Papers http://einstein.stanford.edu/content/sci_papers/ ----------- Sue... *************** Ahhh.... but try writing a set of linearized field equations that are lorentz invairant, too... gravitoelectromagnetism doesn't just fall out as a natural consequence...too bad. === Subject: Re: Measurement of Gravitomagnetic and Acceleration Fields Around Rotating Superconductors posting-account=wigfZgkAAACDgITarXffzxJygX81YRSs 98),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) [...] Are equations for London forces Lorentz invariant? http://www.research.ibm.com/grape/grape ewald.htm http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PRA/v7/i6/p1832 1 Sue... === Subject: Re: Measurement of Gravitomagnetic and Acceleration Fields Around Rotating Superconductors [...] Are equations for London forces Lorentz invariant? http://www.research.ibm.com/grape/grape_ewald.htm http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PRA/v7/i6/p1832_1 Sue... ************ A set of gravitomagnetic and gravitoelectric forces can be derived from Van spinning superconductors. It's an exciting possibility if true - I really wanna buy a Jetsons gravicar. Greysky === Subject: Re: Measurement of Gravitomagnetic and Acceleration Fields Around Rotating Superconductors posting-account=wigfZgkAAACDgITarXffzxJygX81YRSs 98),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) http://www.research.ibm.com/grape/grape ewald.htm http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PRA/v7/i6/p1832 1 If the car can be constructed with just a few atoms I don't see why not: http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0204024 Sue... === Subject: Re: Measurement of Gravitomagnetic and Acceleration Fields Around Rotating Superconductors posting-account=rIfu6QoAAAD5nXG3h9QEE0J3dZn1U45R Gecko/2008032620 Firefox/3.0b5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) This is for the benefit of those who can learn - the linearized version of general relativity is not cosmologically applicable as the assumption is that the manifold is Minkowski plus a perturbation, which is obviously not the case for FRW cosmologies. BZZT, wrong. The linearized equations do NOT look like Proca's equations. BZZT, wrong. The graviton is spin two. Why even post this? === Subject: Re: Measurement of Gravitomagnetic and Acceleration Fields Around Rotating Superconductors posting-account=UlqQigoAAADUKXgHhhqS3Em_KfDZERQh 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Hello again imbecile. Why don't you give up demonstrating your stupidity? Spin-1 graviton couples to everything but not to itself, while a spin-2 graviton couples to everything and to itself. Spin-1 gravitons are graviscalars or graviphotons. There is also the graviton is a bound state of two spin-1 gravitons. Mike === Subject: Re: Measurement of Gravitomagnetic and Acceleration Fields Around Rotating Superconductors ...just some motivation for you to study some more electrodynamics. http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/lectures.html http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/visualizations/light/index.htm http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/D.Jefferies/antennas.html You are less like an imbecile, but still very much an imbecile without it. Sue... === Subject: Re: Measurement of Gravitomagnetic and Acceleration Fields Around Rotating Superconductors Sure - respond to my trite one liner instead of the legit points. === Subject: Re: Indian has new theory on Big Bang posting-account=5GUrzQkAAADun29oaK3p_W_saUVxxHUF 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) ------------------- now a question: according to that new theory what was the susbtance of the physical entity at the moment of BB: was it pure energy TIA Y.Porat ------------------------- === Subject: Re: Indian has new theory on Big Bang posting-account=RWhJXgoAAAD0Ii04EM3ekAZgGNJ1Bkwy CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Creative ZENcast v1.02.12),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) the universe began at the beginning, and may have done so repeatedly... In simply terms: take an object in hand that CAN be compressed, perhaps a solid but soft rubber ball... imagine if you could apply equal pressure to compress the object to half than it's original size,or greater compresion, the result is an object that now has a given force of pressure wanting to expand to it's original size and shape. Take this to an astonomical level - Black holes, and you have the object that will suck in using the unimaginable power of gravity to compress Anything! and crush it down - imagine that Black hole merging with another - the power imediately becomes greater - swalowing up anything and everything that comes close - given sufficient time.. it will come in contact eventually with all matter in the universe, when that last chuck of rock falls in - it tips the power in the other direction - the force of gravity within the black hole holding everything in - and the force of the compressed matter within wanting to expand outward - as the power struggle mounts, the black hole becomes unstable, and reliquishes control, the end result - a ginormous BigBang! === Subject: Re: Indian has new theory on Big Bang -------------- so you suggest that the situation before or in in moment of BB was a black hole it seems your private understanding i am not sure it is the common understanding ie it was sort of compressed matter yet what was that 'compressed' matter specifically?? was it quarks was it as your name Neutrinos ?? or what ? what is your experimental evidence for your suggetions ?? TIA Y.Porat -------------------------- === Subject: Re: Indian has new theory on Big Bang posting-account=RWhJXgoAAAD0Ii04EM3ekAZgGNJ1Bkwy CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Creative ZENcast v1.02.12),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) there is no way of knowing what happens to all matter after entering a black hole, the forces at work within are just to great to comprehend or experiment to discover - unless someone can come up with a means of generating a similar force of nature as powerful !!! but the possibility of such an occurence - is easy to imagine - we know Black Holes exist, we know what they do, it's common sense to appreciate that all mattter that gets caught will be crushed compacted Infinitesimally small - it stands to reason that these things cannot be stopped - it may take billions of billions of years to move around, consuming all in it's path - but this happens.... eventually all matter will come in contact, however long it takes, and the greater the power of a Black hole.. the greatr it becomes, the greater it's reach to pull in that matter - and the universe will contract into a singular black hole - and I envisage the power struggle as it tries to contain everything - the inevitable conclusion will be reached, all matter within will expand and explode outward(bigBang) - we have the evidence of it happening once -big bang theory- , there is every likelyhood of it happening repeatedly, and as for how it might happen repeatedly - this is one possible theory to consider. === Subject: Re: Indian has new theory on Big Bang posting-account=5GUrzQkAAADun29oaK3p_W_saUVxxHUF 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) ------------- all right but there i snothing quanitative in your response 2 who told you that the BB was a black hole situation ?? the big bang is alegedly was containing **all black oles** and all mater and energy !!?? so if you cant answer my orriginal question: what was the original physical substance for instance was it matter ? was it energy? was it a mixture of both of them ?? and if you dont know please say : 'i dont know ' and may be others think they know ??....(:-)... ATB Y.Porat -------------------------- === Subject: Re: Indian has new theory on Big Bang posting-account=RWhJXgoAAAD0Ii04EM3ekAZgGNJ1Bkwy CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Creative ZENcast v1.02.12),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) sorry if I didn't correctly answer your question - no, the short answer is - I don't know. A black hole is the one thing we know of that CAN consume all matter - so it's plain logic that these are the one item in cosmic phenomena, that could potentially bring all matter into one place, even if doing so took forever, and if there was indeed a BigBang at the start of everything, that BigBang was the release of all material - it was all contained in one place.. and as I'v said, the one thing we know of that could bring all matter together -over time - is a Black Hole, whether or not the forces within would eventually cause it to destabalize - but it seems likely it could happen and may explain the BigBang occurrence, and if it happened once like this - then I see no reason for it not to happen again. Exactly what happens to matter when it enters a black hole? who knows... and what happens when vast quantities get pulled in ?? it may and likely gets transformed into other forms of matter, I simply hypothesise that this may be a possibility, as one black hole meets another untill you end up with a single unimaginably huge and powerful Black Hole - would it be able to contain all the matter in the universe - or once it had done so - would it then become unstable and the forces within overcome the force of the black hole itself - and result in a explosive force so great as to expell all the matter within? and maybe explain what the BigBang really was? and if so - I repeat myself - could such a thing take place repeatedly ? === Subject: Re: Indian has new theory on Big Bang posting-account=5GUrzQkAAADun29oaK3p_W_saUVxxHUF 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) ------------------------- -------------------- repeatedly ?? it might be if our universe will stop expanding and stsrt contraction (yet we will have to live for it a bit more than the next 100 years (:-) now let me tell you the little i gathered from Google: it is sayed there that at the BB all our physical entity was 'in palnck state ' fo r me 'Planck' sate is pure energy now i would like to know if somebody else understands it as i do ?? TIA Y.Porat -------------------------------------- === Subject: Re: Indian has new theory on Big Bang posting-account=5GUrzQkAAADun29oaK3p_W_saUVxxHUF 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) -------------------- repeatedly ?? it might be if our universe will stop expanding and stsrt contraction (yet we will have to live for it a bit more than the next 100 years (:-) now let me tell you the little i gathered from Google: it is sayed there that at the BB all our physical entity was 'in palnck state ' fo r me 'Planck' sate is pure energy now i would like to know if somebody else understands it as i do ?? TIA Y.Porat -------------------------------------- === Subject: Re: Indian has new theory on Big Bang posting-account=RWhJXgoAAAD0Ii04EM3ekAZgGNJ1Bkwy CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Creative ZENcast v1.02.12),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) ha~ yes we Would have to live longer than next 100years (:-) might need to add a quantum string of several more zeros to it :) some more reading.... and a link or two to check out.... Pure Energy - how do You understand it ? all matter on entering a black hole, is likely stripped down to it's it's very atoms, what enters as a rock would in an instant become a stream of atoms, on impacting at the BlackHole core, these would be compressed so tight that, as is said below so that they cannot vibrate! & What happens to the huge amount of energy that locking-in must release? other various atomic material, might become the pure energy you speak of. Matter would not exist as we know it - only it's atomic components, crushed together, locked and generating, building up vast amounts of energy... (pure?)... and I still maintain - crush ALL matter into a singularity, or at least to a point where further compaction is an impossibility, even by astronomical measurements, eventually the energy building up would be so great - eventually it WILL explode outward.(B.B.) some interesting reading:..... http://www.siddeutsch.org/index.html ..... But much more than sadness should be invoked in the above demise of neutron motion in a Black Hole: If it is true, then increasing chaos [CapitalEth] called entropy [CapitalEth] is finally reversed by a simple mechanical locking-in of adjacent neutrons so that they cannot vibrate! What happens to the huge amount of energy that locking-in must release? Since this is a strange, unknown form of matter, perhaps it is the crucible in which hydrogen is regenerated. If the Big Bang took place Òone dayÓ some 14 billion years ago, why was it a one-time occurrence? Since our present universe will expand forever (according to Krauss-Starkman), why did the previous universe collapse into a Big Crunch? What is the justification for cosmic strings, wormholes, and baby universes? But in cosmology, according to the QSS model, the future should become the past. The QSS cosmologists advocate a universe that will eventually contract to yield the equivalent of a Big Crunch, Big Bang sequence. (and on expansion and eventual contraction ) according to Burbidge et al., it will take 36 billion years more before the Òpresent epochÓ reaches the top of the curve. During this period, newly-created hydrogen will add sufficient mass so that, when the Universe arrives at the top, it will stop expanding, and start to contract. This does not answer philosophical questions such as ÒWhen did time begin?,Ó but at least it creates a Big Bang out of something plausible. plus... http://www.amazon.com/review/R15CDMNUQYFENY === Subject: Light becomes mass posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Turn on a light and its energy will raise the mass of the room. MItch Raemsch; How fast is time? === Subject: Re: Light becomes mass posting-account=u5yyuwoAAAC0alBihO0zfZ5bvw3vFf52 CLR 1.0.3705),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) *sigh* Can you please clerify that question? 'time' is a man-made concept... so I suppose it could be however fast you want it to be... in as many different increments. === Subject: Re: Light becomes mass Actually time is that term which man created in order to refer to a physical phenomena which man is describing to describe. That's the way it is for all terms in physics and science in general. Pete === Subject: Re: Light becomes mass posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) If it can slow down how fast is it? Mitch Raemsch === Subject: Re: Light becomes mass posting-account=nf79RwoAAABXjvy5ztMzmPxgY1WGoktI Gecko/20080201 Firefox/2.0.0.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) That's a trick question. How about string like quantum faster than a speeding bullet. . - BG === Subject: Re: Light becomes mass posting-account=u5yyuwoAAAC0alBihO0zfZ5bvw3vFf52 CLR 1.0.3705),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) If it can slow down, it doesn't have a set speed. which means it would be impossible to tell you how fast it is. === Subject: Re: Light becomes mass posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) If it can slow down it needs a starting point to start slowing from. MItch Raemsch === Subject: Re: Light becomes mass This assumes that one is talking about speed as in something changing in time. That is not how time is described. Time dilation is a comparison between different clocks, i.e. the ratio of the results of particular measurements which yields numbers. Pete === Subject: #66 if Pulsars are alien advanced life, what kind of machine is it??; biophysics trilogy book series: Darwin Evolution replaced by Superdeterminism from Quantum Mechanics (snipped) The emissions from pulsars are radio waves and that is about the best way to transmit information over long distances. that Pulsars were the communication between aliens, and especially those alien lifeforms going extinct, trapped in their star system due to the Fusion Barrier Principle and as a beacon out to the rest of the world, there dying epitaph, much like a gravestone having some words printed for remembrance. I also mentioned the last time in writing of pulsars that they could be a ancillary effect to some machine advanced life needs, only I did not elaborate on this. Which I intend to do now. I also kept asking what it takes to build a machine here on Earth that could duplicate the transmission of a given pulsar? Could humanity build such a pulsar machine or too costly in energy to run and operate. But as for an ancillary machine which is used by alien civilization in which the pulsing is ancillary to whatever its primary use is. Well, I thought of a machine in which it pulses as a offshoot or byproduct of its main function. Consider a advanced civilization that builds a planetary Star Stove where they build a gigantic Reflector near their home planet that reflects the starlight. Or it could be a Planetary Air Conditioner that reflects the starlight which is too much and would burn their planet. Now consider as a gigantic parabolic shaped reflector built near a star and as the reflector revolves and rotates around the star, that as the rotation affects the angle of incidence and reflection as to cause a pulse. A rotating and revolving parabolic reflector would create a pulsing of the EM in the radio waves. Depending on the size of the Reflector, that the pulsing could vary from brief time periods to long time periods. There is a bit of data that supports this idea of some fancy machine built by aliens that causes pulsars. It is known that some pulsars shut down and resume pulsing at a later date. This could be maintenance or overhaul. Now this shutting down is observed from a fraction of all pulsars known, but if this shutting down and later resumption is often the case, that would indicate pulsars are alien built machines. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies === Subject: Kids learn by looking posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Children learn to see by looking. Mitch Raemsch === Subject: Re: Kids learn by looking posting-account=kYcXLQoAAAB5OwaEUpwX92BYySN2NjWP I agree only in part. The majority of experts in this forum act as children, but clearly keep their eyes firmly shut tight. Perhaps you should extend this hypothesis to: Children not pitching a hissy fit learn to see by looking. - Shanw === Subject: Re: Kids learn by looking -- I agree only in part. The majority of experts in this forum act as children, but clearly keep their eyes firmly shut tight. Perhaps you should extend this hypothesis to: Children not pitching a hissy fit learn to see by looking. - Shanw Have a hissy fit over this, or keep your eyes firmly shut tight: http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Orbit/Orbit.htm This message is brought to you by Androcles http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ === Subject: Re: Kids learn by looking posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) No body figured out this was a joke? === Subject: Re: Kids learn by looking posting-account=9CbGpgoAAAD2EOomgwt0brXp89Y_RShu CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; InfoPath.1; MS-RTC LM 8),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Visit www.theyoungscientists.in === Subject: Re: Kids learn by looking posting-account=9CbGpgoAAAD2EOomgwt0brXp89Y_RShu CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; InfoPath.1; MS-RTC LM 8),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Visit www.theyoungscientists.in === Subject: Re: Kids learn by looking -- This message is brought to you by Androcles http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ | Visit www.theyoungscientists.in Oh, you want m-o-n-e-y.... === Subject: Re: Kids learn by looking posting-account=rIfu6QoAAAD5nXG3h9QEE0J3dZn1U45R Gecko/2008032620 Firefox/3.0b5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Explains why you post nothing but bullshit and noise over and over. === Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Le_Voyage_hyperspatial__nouvelle_imb=E9cilit=E9_de_la_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?clique_relativiste_=21_Les_dislocations_=E0_grande_vitesse_dan s_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?le_vide_sont_newtonistes_=21=21=21?= posting-account=1qbAGAkAAADcUtlizzXUEb5jUjfAdE2y A son corps d.8efendant, le relativiste Michel Actis nous sugg.8fre deux choses : 1¡ D'abord l'absurdit.8e de la relativit.8e dans le cas d'une augmentation importante d'un corps. Pr.8ecisons deux choses : si le corps observ.8e est (apparait) en acc.8el.8eration, la relativit.8e restreinte ne peut pas s'appliquer (elle s'applique n'en d.8eplaise aux .89nes qui qui ont racont.8e le contraire sur sci.physique pendant des ann.8ees !!! Le plus acharn.8e de ces .89nes cr.89neurs, imbus d'eux-m.90mes est le charlantan Didier Lauwaert qui, de surcroit me poursuivait sur une citation sortie de son cerveau hallucin.8e sur une th.8eorie de l'.8electron aux antipodes des zigzags que je d.8efend. Un sp.8ecialiste du mensonge. Lire les pages que j'ai consacr.8ee aux accumulations de mensonges et d'idoties prof.8er.8ees par cet imb.8ecile dipl.99m.8e. Depuis son exploit de relativit.8e restreinte en acc.8el.8eration, il rase les murs de sci.physique... Bon d.8ebarras ! Contrairement .88 Planck , celui-l.88, on n'a pas eu besoin qu'il parte en retraite... L'.89ne relativiste Didier Lauwaert et son ami de l'.8epoque qui .8etait venu aboyer en meute : Richard Hachel ! Sur le fond : le corps qui atteint une tr.8fs grande vitesse se DISLOQUERA ! Tous ses composants, atomes etc ... retourneront .88 l'.8etat de photons. 2¡ Il en r.8esulte que la vitesse de dislocation est ABSOLUE, objective. Cela ne peut pas .90tre autrement !!!! Une nouvelle preuve que Newton a raison. Il sera possible d'envisager une classe d'exp.8eriences visant .88 montrer que la dislocation des corps .88 tr.8fs grande vitesse est la cons.8equence d'une vitesse absolue et non relative .88 quelque observateur que ce soit LE RAISONNEMENT IMBECILE DES RELATIVISTES LAISSE TOUJOURS LA PLACE A UN OBSERVATEUR QUI REGARDERAIT LE CORPS QUI VA SE DISLOQUER.... COMME AYANT UNE VIT'ESSE DE 1 METRE PAR SECONDE. Il suffit pour cela que l'observateur ait une VITESSE absolue, objective inf.8erieure de 1 m/s .88 la vitesse du corps qui va se disloquer. Ces pauves im.8eciles qui refusent la notion de vitesse en sont une nouvelle fois bons pour le ridicule !!! La loi g.8en.8erale est : les photons pour devenir les briques p.8enulti.8fmes de la mati.8fre doivent .90tre ralentis, pour que leurs chocs continuels 'et cycliques) les am.8fnent .88 se grumeler. et donc .88 former la mati.8fre gazeuse puis liquide puis solide. Le processus inverse est le m.90me dans l'ordre inverse. Quant aux entit.8es intelligentes extraterrestres, si elles existent, elles savent que Newton a raison, se d.8esesp.8frent de voir jean Pierre Petit persister .88 faire la propagande du cr.8etin Einstein (dans toutes les langue's que ses traducteurs b.8en.8evoles lui permettent.) et se d.8esesp.8frent du fait qu'il n'existe aucun raccourci dans l'univers, aucun trou de vers issus du cerveau malade d'ennemis acharn.8es du mat.8erialisme. Et que quiconque atteint le syst.8fme solaire est condamn.8e .88 y rester ..... === Subject: Re: Le Voyage hyperspatial nouvelle =?ISO-8859-1?Q?imb=E9cilit=E9?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_de_la_clique_relativiste_!_Les_dislocation?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?s_=E0_grande_vitesse_dans_le_vide_sont_ne?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?wtonistes_!!!?= Yanick Toutain a .8ecrit : Je ne vois aucune preuve en dehors de votre assertion totalement gratuite (et stupide). Merci de citer vos souces ou de pr.8esenter les calculs qui vous conduisent .88 .8enoncer ce Ç Cela ne peut pas .90tre autrement !!!! È. Quand cela sera-t-il possible ? Quelle est cette classe d'exp.8eriences ? Pouvez-vous d.8ecrire au moin une de ces exp.8eriences ? Donnez vos calculs, preuves et arguments. Cette loi est .88 ce jour totalement inconnue. En .90tes-vous l'auteur ? Quelles preuves pouvez-vous pr.8esenter ? -- kd === Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Le_Voyage_hyperspatial__nouvelle_imb=E9cilit=E9_de_la_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?clique_relativiste_!_Les_dislocations_=E0_grande_vitesse_d?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ans_le_vide_sont_newtonistes_!!!?= A son corps d.8efendant, le relativiste Michel Actis nous sugg.8fre deux choses : 1¡ D'abord l'absurdit.8e de la relativit.8e dans le cas d'une augmentation importante d'un corps. Pr.8ecisons deux choses : si le corps observ.8e est (apparait) en acc.8el.8eration, la relativit.8e restreinte ne peut pas s'appliquer (elle s'applique n'en d.8eplaise aux .89nes qui qui ont racont.8e le contraire sur sci.physique pendant des ann.8ees !!! Le plus acharn.8e de ces .89nes cr.89neurs, imbus d'eux-m.90mes est le charlantan Didier Lauwaert qui, de surcroit me poursuivait sur une citation sortie de son cerveau hallucin.8e sur une th.8eorie de l'.8electron aux antipodes des zigzags que je d.8efend. Un sp.8ecialiste du mensonge. Lire les pages que j'ai consacr.8ee aux accumulations de mensonges et d'idoties prof.8er.8ees par cet imb.8ecile dipl.99m.8e. Depuis son exploit de relativit.8e restreinte en acc.8el.8eration, il rase les murs de sci.physique... Bon d.8ebarras ! Contrairement .88 Planck , celui-l.88, on n'a pas eu besoin qu'il parte en retraite... L'.89ne relativiste Didier Lauwaert et son ami de l'.8epoque qui .8etait venu aboyer en meute : Richard Hachel ! Sur le fond : le corps qui atteint une tr.8fs grande vitesse se DISLOQUERA ! Tous ses composants, atomes etc ... retourneront .88 l'.8etat de photons. 2¡ Il en r.8esulte que la vitesse de dislocation est ABSOLUE, objective. Cela ne peut pas .90tre autrement !!!! Une nouvelle preuve que Newton a raison. Il sera possible d'envisager une classe d'exp.8eriences visant .88 montrer que la dislocation des corps .88 tr.8fs grande vitesse est la cons.8equence d'une vitesse absolue et non relative .88 quelque observateur que ce soit LE RAISONNEMENT IMBECILE DES RELATIVISTES LAISSE TOUJOURS LA PLACE A UN OBSERVATEUR QUI REGARDERAIT LE CORPS QUI VA SE DISLOQUER.... COMME AYANT UNE VIT'ESSE DE 1 METRE PAR SECONDE. Il suffit pour cela que l'observateur ait une VITESSE absolue, objective inf.8erieure de 1 m/s .88 la vitesse du corps qui va se disloquer. Ces pauves im.8eciles qui refusent la notion de vitesse en sont une nouvelle fois bons pour le ridicule !!! La loi g.8en.8erale est : les photons pour devenir les briques p.8enulti.8fmes de la mati.8fre doivent .90tre ralentis, pour que leurs chocs continuels 'et cycliques) les am.8fnent .88 se grumeler. et donc .88 former la mati.8fre gazeuse puis liquide puis solide. Le processus inverse est le m.90me dans l'ordre inverse. Quant aux entit.8es intelligentes extraterrestres, si elles existent, elles savent que Newton a raison, se d.8esesp.8frent de voir jean Pierre Petit persister .88 faire la propagande du cr.8etin Einstein (dans toutes les langue's que ses traducteurs b.8en.8evoles lui permettent.) et se d.8esesp.8frent du fait qu'il n'existe aucun raccourci dans l'univers, aucun trou de vers issus du cerveau malade d'ennemis acharn.8es du mat.8erialisme. Et que quiconque atteint le syst.8fme solaire est condamn.8e .88 y rester ..... D.8ecid.8ement j'ai trouv.8e un nid...A aucun moment je n'ai dit que la masse acc.8el.8er.8ee atteignait la vitesse de la lumi.8fre. De plus, pourquoi voulez-vous que dans le r.8ef.8erentiel propre l'objet se disloque ? C'est absurde ! Mais vous avez raison lorsque vous dites que c'est impropre d'appliquer la RR aux corps qui ont un mouvement acc.8el.8er.8e.. MA === Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Le_Voyage_hyperspatial_nouvelle_imb=E9cilit=E9_de_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?la_clique_relativiste_=21_Les_dislocations_=E0_grande_vitesse_ da?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ns_le_vide_sont_newtonistes_=21=21=21?= posting-account=1qbAGAkAAADcUtlizzXUEb5jUjfAdE2y +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Forme : Il y a eu un bug dans la pr.8esentation. Votre ordi affiche mon texte de la m.90me fa.8don que le v.99tre. J'extrais le v.99tre pour la bonne compr.8ehension des d.8ebats. En r.8eponse .88 mon br.9elot antirelativiste translated by a robot Michel Actis a franchi le mur de son silence habituelle pour tenter d'argumenter .88 mes propos 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Sur le fond, je peux donc r.8epondre. Michel Actis a tent.8e de donner une r.8eponse Cette phase r.8esume .88 elle seule notre d.8esaccord [forme : face .88 un relativiste qui tente d'argumenter honn.8ftement, je fais le m.90me effort que face .88 n'importe quel croyant : la ma.95eutique que je d.8ecouvris .88 13 ans.] Dans votre logique, un objet qui est dans son propre r.8ef.8erentiel pourra continuellement augmenter sa vitesse... physique interne. C'est une farce ! Le mat.8erialiste qui sait que la lumi.8fre est la brique de la mati.8fre, va imaginer les photons qui forment le corps en question avoir des trajectoires de plus en plus rectilignes. En effet : imaginons dans la plaine un troupeau de bisons. Chaque bison du troupeau avance .88 la vitesse de 15 m.8ftres par secondes. On va examiner successivement 3 fa.8dons de se d.8eplacer. 1¡ Tous les bisons avancent de 8 m.8ftres dans le sens de la marche, puis 15 m.8ftres perpendiculairement .88 celui-ci, plus 7 m.8ftres avec l'arri.8fre. Il a parcouru 8+15+7= 30 m.8ftres Il s'est .8ecoul.8e 2 secondes Mais il n'a AVANCE que de 1 m.8ftre dans le sens de la marche. Il refait la m.90me chose, une deuxi.8fme fois pour se retrouver .88 l'endroit o.9d il se trouvait, 2 m.8ftres plus loin.2 m.8ftres plus en avant. En 4 secondes il aura donc fait le m.90me trajet que s'il avait avanc.8e de 2 m.8ftres. La vitesse qui en d.8ecoule est donc 0,5 m.8ftres par seconde. ALORS QUE SA VERITABLE VITESSE EST 30 METRES PAR SECONDE. 2¡Il avance de 9 m.8ftres perpendiculairement,puis de 15 m.8ftres en diagonale. Et enfin de 6 m.8ftres en arri.8fre. Il a avanc.8e de 6 m.8ftres en 2 secondes. Sa vitesse d'avancement est donc de 3 m.8ftres par seonde. 5 fois moins que sa vraie vitesse. 3¡ Il ne fait plus de d.8etour, il avance tout droit : il parcourt 15 m.8ftres par seconde. Voila de quelle fa.8don de d.8eplacent les photons. Ils avancent .88 la vitesse de 299 792 458 m/s en faisant plus ou moins de d.8etours. Le troupeau des photons avancera 5 fois ou 60 fois moins vite selon la nature des trajets internes au troupeau. La d.8ecouvert de Jean Pierre Galinat en 1999 concernant le ralentissement des photons dans l'eau est g.8en.8eralisable. (Il est dommageable que monsieur Galinat, critiquant la relativit.8e n'ai jamais examin.8e s.8erieusement mes th.8fses newtonistes sur le vide et les vitesses absolues-objectives.) Je suis parvenu plus tard aux m.90mes conclusion que lui, de facon g.8en.8eralis.8ee. mais en consid.8erant que tout cela ne pouvait se calculer que objectivement, dans le vide. Jean Pierre Galinat appelait les d.8etours des photons dans l'eau l'effet slalom En effet, dans l'eau les photons qui cognent contre les mol.8ecules sont oblig.8es de slalomer entre les obstacles. JP Galinat .8ecrivait fort justment que la vitesse de la lumi.8fre dans l'eau restait constante. L'histoire lui rendra l'hommag qu'il m.8erite. Ce chercheur intelligent est parti sous les quolibets des cr.8etins qui se croient les kapos des forums sci.physique. Il leur a d.8eplu ; il s'est fait insulter. La seule diffrence de traitement, c'est qu'il fut autoris.8e .88 s'.8echapper, sans plus .90tre menac.8e. La terreur psychologique que les gangsters relativistes font r.8fgner sur Internet va bient.99t cesser. Quant aux arguments (d.8epourvus d'argumentation) de monsieur Actis, les mat.8erialistes les prendront comme ils sont : du baratin. Un corps qui acc.8el.8ererait continuellement serait (farce !) immobile dans son propre r.8ef.8erentiel !!! Il pourrait donc continuer ainsi (.8eternellement ?) sans jamais que de facteur physique ne vienne interrompre ce processus. Mais si dit l'imb.8ecile relativiste : l'observateur, lui, celui qui regarde, il fixe une limite : le corps qui acc.8el.8fre le peu pas atteindre la vitesse de la lumi.8fre. N'essayons pas de convaincre que la pr.8esence d'un deuxi.8fme observateur entre le corps acc.8el.8erant et le premier observateur fait s'effondrer son ch.89teau de carte...; En effet, il suffit que ce deuxi.8fme observateur s'arrange pour voir le corps en acc.8el.8eration.88 la m.90medisrtance que le premier obervateur : il verra le corps acc.8elrant aller moins vite que le premier obsrvateur !!! Nous nous savons que l'acc.8el.8eration d'une fus.8ee consiste .88 REDUIRE LE cons.8equence, le trajet de plus en plus rectiligne des photons aboutira .88 les lib.8erer. LE CORPS SE DISLOQUERA !!! Salutations aux mat.8erialistes. Yanick Toutain http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:Q9DZm718ft4J:www.bisons-du-perigord.com/L e-bison.html+vitesse+des+bisons&hl=fr&ct=clnk&cd=12 === Subject: Re: Le Voyage hyperspatial nouvelle =?ISO-8859-1?Q?imb=E9cilit=E9?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_de_la_clique_relativiste_!_Les_dislocation?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?s_=E0_grande_vitesse_dans_le_vide_sont_ne?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?wtonistes_!!!?= Yanick Toutain a .8ecrit : Comment le savons-nous ? Donnez des preuves s'il vous pla.94t. Preuves s'il vous pla.94t. -- kd === Subject: The Voyage hyperspatial new imbecillity of clicks relativistic! Dislocations at high speed in the vacuum are newtonists!!!!! posting-account=1qbAGAkAAADcUtlizzXUEb5jUjfAdE2y automatic translation babelfish yahoo Yanick Toutain To post the profile Other options Apr 21, 04:35 sci.physics, fr.sci.philo Room: Lun Apr 21, 2008 04:35 === Subject: The Voyage hyperspatial new imbecillity of clicks relativistic! Dislocations at high speed in the vacuum are newtonists!!! To answer | To answer the author | To transfer | To print | Individual message | To post the original | To announce this message | To seek the messages of this author - To mask the text of the preceding messages - - To post the text of the preceding messages - With his defending body, the relativist Michel Actis suggests us two things: 1¡ Initially nonsense of relativity in the case of an increase important of a body. Let us specify two things: if the body observed is (appears) in acceleration, restricted relativity cannot apply (it applies with due respect to the asses which told the opposite on sci.physic during years!!! Keenest of these asses show-offs, imbus of themselves is it charlantan Didier Lauwaert which, in addition continued me on one quotation left its brain hallucinated on a theory of the electron with the antipodes of the zigzags which I defend. A specialist in the lie. To see the pages which I devoted to accumulations of lies and of idoties uttered by this graduate imbecile. Since its exploit of relativity restricted in acceleration, it shaves walls of sci.physicÉ Good boxroom! Contrary to Planck, that one, one did not require that it leaves in reprocessÉ ÒThe relativistic ass Didier Lauwaert and his friend of the time which was come to bark in pack: Richard Hachel! Ò On the bottom: the body which reaches very an high speed WILL DISLOCATE! All its components, atoms etcÉ will turn over to the state of photons. 2¡ It results from it that the speed of dislocation is ABSOLUTE, objective. That cannot be differently!!!! A new proof that Newton rightly. It will be possible to consider a class of experiments aiming at showing that the dislocation of the bodies at very high speed is the consequence of an absolute velocity and nonrelative to some observer that it that is to say THE IDIOTIC REASONING OF THE RELATIVISTS ALWAYS LEAVES THE PLACE HAS AN OBSERVER WHICH WOULD LOOK AT THE BODY WHICH SE WILL DISLOCATEÉ. LIKE HAVING A VIT' ESSE OF 1 METER A SECOND. It is enough for that the observer has an ABSOLUTE VELOCITY, objectify lower by 1 m/s at the speed of the body which goes to dislocate. These pauves im.8eciles which refuses the concept speed is one new time goods for the ridiculous one!!! The general law is: photons to become penultimate bricks matter must be slowed down, so that their continual shocks 'and cyclic) bring them to grumeler. and thus to form the matter gas then solid liquid then. The opposite process is the same one in the inverse order. As for the extraterrestrial intelligent entities, if they exist, they know that Newton rightly, are in despair to see Jean Pierre Small to persist in making the propaganda of the Einstein cretin (in all the langue' S which its voluntary translators allow him.) and despair owing to the fact that it does not exist any short cut in the universe, no hole of worms resulting from the sick brain of keen enemies of materialism. And that whoever reached the solar system is condemned to there to remain ..... === Subject: Re: electron emitter details for double slit experiment posting-account=21qK2woAAADgDXzdjprGEPNP9dUjWxRr 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.40607),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) On Apr 18, 4:04Êpm, John Larkin Assuming that they are monochromatic photons you get a standing wave established that propogates out away from the equal path length crossing point (white light fringe position) at the speed of light until the photon is absorbed or detected. If you tried to time gate the output to isolate only the short path you would know which slit the photon passed through and so the interference fringes would vanish. I am pretty sure that if the gate was set to anything beyond the path length of the longer path you would see fringes. I don't know if it has been done experimentally. Discussing this with you has caused me to consider what would happen with ultra fast time gated systems and I have a thought experiment that I think might actually be possible in the lab using Pockel cells to switch a beam for a suitable choice of wavelength with a moderately long coherence length. My physical intuition is normally pretty good, but I cannot decide what would happen in the following setup: A laser beam is pointed into the apparatus and a pair of Pockel cells are arranged that are both normally closed and are then opened in a very tight short window (40ns on/off transitions are routine now). The timing of the gates is arranged so that only photons which are momentarily trapped inside the gap width g between the cells can ever reach the detector. A photon has to have a certain coherence length to have a well defined frequency in E = hv. But in this experiment we force the photons to be localised in a space shorter than this length so that according to a short length of pure tone peep. If the gap is shorter than the photons coherence length they must end up with a more dispersed energy distribution. Their energy distribution with a spectrograph afterwards. If the time gated individual photons do change in energy (as I am sure they must) where do they grab the energy from during their brief spatial confinement? And for extra marks would the results be any different if the Pockel cell shutters were either mirror surface rather than totally absorbing on their inner surfaces. The really tricky question is what happens when the beam is so dim that only one photon at a time is trapped in the gap. How does it lose or gain energy then? (I presume it is borrowed from the collapsing wavefunction outside the gate but I honestly don't know - and the experiment might at least in principle be doable). I am fairly confident that the uncertainty principle wins here, but I am much less means that it has to eveolve in time and return back to being a photon of energy E fairly quickly after leaving the confining volume. I'd be interested to hear what folks with a modern QM education think would happen here and why. Or even better has this experiment already been done and what were the results? My own QM knowledge is somewhat dated. Martin Brown === Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michelson_n=27a_jamais_fait_d=27exp=E9rience_=3A_miroir_tro?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?p_petits=2C_pas_de_bras_allongeable=2E?= posting-account=1qbAGAkAAADcUtlizzXUEb5jUjfAdE2y m.90me Miller qui a cru d.8eceler un effet cyclique (p.8eriodique) dont la petitesse disqualifie sa v.8eracit.8e logique. Il y aura une exp.8erience utilisant ce ph.8enom.8fne quand LA LARGEUR DES MIROIRS SERA PROPORTIONNELLE A LA VITESSE ABSOLUE ATTENDUE (approximativement) et quand LA VARIATION DE LA LONGUEUR DU BRAS OPPOSE AU LIEU D'EMISSION PERMETTRA AUX DEUX FLUX DE LUMIERE D'ATTEINDRE LA CIBLE AU MEME ENDROIT. Les trois imb.8eciles qui ont oubli.8e les enseignements de Newton se sont acharn.8es avec un dispositif absurde : quand les photons ne loupaient pas les miroirs ou la cible, ils atteignaient les capteurs avec un d.8ecalage en largeur incompatible avec la d.8etection de quelque effet interf.8erom.8etrique que ce soit Mais il est vrai que ce genre de raisonnement est inaccessible aux victimes du clerg.8e einstenien, qui, mettant la charrue avant les boeufs r.8ecusent a priori l'existence du vide... Sauf naturellement quand le grand gourou leur parle de vitesse de la lumi.8fre dans le vide Pour construire une exp.8erience avec le dispositif Michelson, IL FAUT AJOUTER UN BRAS A LONGEUR VARIABLE AU DISPOSITIF DE MICHELSON. mais il y a plus simple : piquer le dispositidf du mystique autrichien. On aura la m.90me chose en plus simple :!!! salut aux mat.8erialistes intelligents, polis et silencieux. Yanick Toutain http://monsyte.blogspot.com/ === Subject: Re: Michelson n'a jamais fait =?ISO-8859-1?Q?d=27exp=E9rience_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=3A_miroir_trop_petits=2C_pas_de_bras_allon?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?geable=2E?= Yanick Toutain a .8ecrit : Les autres seront fusill.8es sur vos ordres, Grand Ma.94tre ? -- kd === Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Michelson_n'a_jamais_fait_d'exp=E9rience_:_miroir_trop?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_petits=2C_pas_de_bras_allongeable.?= Importance: Normal Il est ... Les intelligents et les ssilensieux il les .8epargnera. sauf les .8epil.8ees :-) : Mais si je trouve cela tr.8fs logiquement compr.8ehensible je ne comprends pas pour les poilus. C'est quoi un mat.8erialiste poilu? Un viril? un vrai de vrai ,avec des poils? ?-) Fripounette ( oui ) === Subject: Re: Michelson n'a jamais fait d'exp.8erience : miroir trop petits, pas de bras allongeable. Bonjour, Un mat.8erialiste poilu, c'est un Oran-outang. Un vrai de vrai. :-) Au revoir. Bernard Lempel http://lempel.net 480cca01$0$884$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr... === Subject: Re: Michelson n'a jamais fait d'exp.8erience : miroir trop petits, pas de bras allongeable. Et la marmotte et le chocolat... -- hpspt === Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Michelson_n'a_jamais_fait_d'exp=E9rience_:_miroir_trop?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_petits=2C_pas_de_bras_allongeable.?= reply-type=response Importance: Normal Pourquoi que tu lui r.8eponds? tu vois bien qu'il est devenu compl.8etement fou il dit n'importe quoi Les photons c'est des briques qui ralentissent pour s'aglomerer maintenant :-))))) Moi je veux bien l'aider mon bon Yanickounet mauis il faut qu'il accepte de reconnaitre que je suis en mesure de l'aid.8e s'il le veut. j'ai les connaissances pour l'aid.8e grandement Mais je crois pas que son instinct de m.89lle ne lui permettera de le reconnaitre et de m'.8ecout.8ee. Fripounette (tr.8fs attrist.8ee de son prot.8eg.8e qui veut pas optemp.8erer et pr.8ef.8ere se fourvoyer dans des b.8etises qui vous font rire MDR). sinc.8erement je voudrai qu'il devienne plus s.8erieux il passe du coq .88 l'ane de fa.8don triste il parle bien de l'acc.8el.8eration des corps x = 1/2 m VÓ et expliqe super bien pourquoi .8da acc.8el.8ere de 10 m.8ftre pas seconde sur terre et puis ensuite, il dit des conneries .8enorme. je ne le comprend pas. === Subject: Re: Michelson n'a jamais fait d'exp.8erience : miroir trop petits, pas de bras allongeable. Yanick Toutain dans son message nous a fait l'honneur d'.8ecrire: Une exp.8erience .88 faire par tout le monde http://pagesperso-orange.fr/oncle.dom/humour/entartometre/toutain.htm -- Oncle Dom _________ http://pagesperso-orange.fr/oncle.dom/ === Subject: Re: Michelson =?iso-8859-1?q?n'a_jamais_fait_d'exp=E9rience?= : miroir trop petits, pas de bras allongeable. Le Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:53:20 -0700, Yanick Toutain a .8ecritÊ: Et mon grand bras sur ta gueule de con, .8da te dirait? fu2 kivabien -- L'intelligence n'a pas vocation .88 respecter la b.90tise, mais .88 la r.8eduire. === Subject: Michelson never made experiment: mirror too small, not of extensible arm. posting-account=1qbAGAkAAADcUtlizzXUEb5jUjfAdE2y L there forever have experience made by Michelson, neither Morley, nor even Miller who believed to trace a cyclic effect (periodic) of which smallness disqualifies its logical veracity. There will be experience using this phenomenon when the WIDTH OF MIRRORS WILL BE PROPORTIONAL TO THE AWAITED ABSOLUTE SPEED (roughly) and when THE VARIATION IN THE LENGTH OF THE ARM OPPOSES INSTEAD OF EMISSION PLACE. The three imbeciles who forgot the lesson of Newton are baited with an absurd device: when the photons did not loupaient the mirrors or the target, they the sensors with a shift in incompatible width reached with the detection of some interferometric effect that it is But it is true that this kind of reasoning is inaccessible to victims of the Einsteinian clergy, which, putting the plough before oxen challenge a priori the existence of the vacuumÉ Except naturally when the large guru speaks to them Òspeed of light in the vacuum To build an experiment with the Michelson device, AN ARM SHOULD BE ADDED HAS VARIABLE LONGEUR WITH THE DEVICE OF MICHELSON. but there is simpler: to prick the dispositidf of the mystic Austrian. There will be the same thing in simpler:!!! hello with the intelligent, polished and quiet materialists. Yanick Toutain http://monsyte.blogspot.com/ automatic translation === Subject: Re: Michelson never made experiment: mirror too small, not of extensible arm. posting-account=qKxGxgkAAADAPfYVCc-ZQkIzl0senr2M Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) I have read your post. You would probably appreciate my comments. Tom Davidson Richmond, VA === Subject: Re: Michelson never made experiment: mirror too small, not of extensible arm. posting-account=1qbAGAkAAADcUtlizzXUEb5jUjfAdE2y Bonjour Tom Davidson a post.8e : qui se traduit par : J'ai lu votre courrier. Vous appr.8ecieriez probablement mes commentaires. J'appr.8ecierais certainement.... sans le moindre d.8ebut d'h.8esitation... J'appr.8ecierais .... mais... encore faut-il que vous m'indiquiez .88 quel endroit il m'est possible de les lire... vos commentaires.... Je suis impatient ! I would certainly appreciateÉ. without the least beginning of hesitationÉ I would appreciateÉ. butÉ still it is necessary that you indicate to me with which place it is possible for me to read themÉ your commentsÉ. I am impatient! We are working to initiate the grestest scientific revolution of the human story : Back to Democritos, Epicuros, Titus Lucretius, Newton, VI Oulianov-L.8enine. Nous travaillons pour lancer la plus grande r.8evolution scientifique de l'histoire humaine : De retour .88 Democritos, Epicuros, Titus Lucretius, Newton, VI Oulianov-L.8enine. Salutations mat.8erialistes Yanick Toutain === Subject: Re: Michelson never made experiment: mirror too small, not of extensible arm. :) tes propos sont d.8eja assez incoh.8erents en fran.8dais alors imagine une fois pass.8es .88 travers un 'automatic translator': mdr I believe plutot qu'il envoie you promener === Subject: Re: Michelson never made experiment: mirror too small, not of extensible arm. nowhere se fendait de cette prose : Comme quoi vous le lisez in extenso ;-) -- LeLapin === Subject: Re: BEYOND EINSTEIN: NEWTON AND MICHELL posting-account=Lz-LbgoAAABPDavKeW-eYeobwLHD_cvQ CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Some Einsteinians, e.g. John Stachel, have already extracted all possible money from Einstein's idiocies and are now ready to adopt Newton's emission theory of light. Others, e.g. Tom Roberts, think more money could be extracted from Einstein's idiocies: http://www.aip.org/history/einstein/essay-einstein-relativity.htm John Stachel: The idea that a light beam consisted of a stream of into the middle of the 19th century. It was called the emission theory of light, a phrase I shall use. The need to explain the phenomena of interference, diffraction and polarization of light gradually led physicists to abandon the emission theory in favor of the competing wave theory, previously its less-favored rival. Maxwell's explanation of light as a type of electromagnetic wave seemed to end the controversy with a definitive victory of the wave theory. However, if Einstein was right (as events slowly proved he was) the story must be much more complicated. Einstein was aware of the difficulties with Maxwell's theory-and of the need for what we now call a quantum theory of electromagnetic radiation-well before publishing his SRT paper. He regarded Maxwell's equations as some sort of statistical average-of what he did not know, of course-which worked very well to explain many optical phenomena, but could not be used to explain all the interactions of light and matter. A notable feature of his first light quantum paper is that it almost completely avoids mention of the ether, even in discussing Maxwell's theory. Giving up the ether concept allowed Einstein to envisage the possibility that a beam of light was an independent structure, as he put it a few years later, which is radiated by the light source, just as in Newton's emission theory of light.......If we model a beam of light as a years later (1909), Einstein first publicly expressed the view that an adequate future theory of light would have to be some sort of fusion of the wave and emission theories. This is an example of how the special theory of relativity functioned as a theory of principle, limiting but not fixing the choice of a constructive theory of light. http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i6272.html John Stachel: As a theory of principle (see above), the theory of relativity provides important guidelines in the search for such a satisfactory theory. Einstein anticipated the ultimate construction of a complete worldview that is in accord with the principle of relativity.[25] In the meantime, the theory offered clues to the construction of such a worldview. One clue concerns the structure of electromagnetic radiation. Not only is the theory compatible with an emission theory of radiation, since it implies that the velocity of light is always the same relative to its source; the theory also requires that radiation transfer mass between an emitter and an absorber, reinforcing Einstein's light quantum hypothesis that radiation manifests a particulate structure under certain circumstances. 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See for example the multiple WBZ in the Philippines where young crust overides older crust: Oh, and Neal Adams is a crank. We agree about that. -- Florian Toute v.8erit.8e passe par trois phases. D'abord, elle est ridiculis.8ee; ensuite, elle rencontre une vive opposition avant d'.90tre accept.8ee comme une totale .8evidence - Arthur Schopenhauer === Subject: Re: Can you imagine a more heinous ideology than Islam? Islam broke world records of genocide, slavery, religiously sanctioned rape, abuse of human rights, and prohibition of scientific inquiry. It forbids Muslim emigration to the lands of the infidels because a Muslim minority cannot enslave the infidel majority. As can be seen, seems to be a member of the religious Gang, that instigates conflict and war for power and wealth. In the 1900's, while the Muslims were being controlled, exploited, and oppressed by Western Nations, the race/religion motivated War-for-Profit Gang massacred the Russian Royal Family, co-opted the Russian government, and used Russia as a base of operations from where to instigate the Class Wars of the 1900's. After their Class Wars were discredited and the Native Russians regained control of their government, (A work in progress as can be seen by the efforts of the Oligarchs and supporter of the War-for-Profit Gang in Israel, England and America,.) the War-for-Profit Gang instituted a phony Free Jews campaign, and migrated to Israel, England, and America at the expense of the American Taxpayers, and they are using these places as bases from where to instigate the Religious Wars of the 2000's to get back in the chips, as the loot from their Class Wars is almost gone. (German reparations, numerous holocaust scams, numerous tax-free and taxpayer funded holocaust scams, using friendly courts to steal lightly protected assets, etc.) It does not take a system engineer to comprehend who the members of, and the Fellow Travelers with, the War-for-Profit Gang are as they aggressively and actively use the government, the media, and the Internet to try to con American Blacks, Latinos, and Rednecks into sacrificing their lives, limbs, liberties and fortunes, to kill folks of another religion. It is interesting to see that Churchill eventually wised up and admitted.: 'We slaughtered the wrong pig.' -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: Re: Can you imagine a more heinous ideology than Islam? posting-account=qKxGxgkAAADAPfYVCc-ZQkIzl0senr2M Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) To address the question of the subject line, Yes. Tom Davidson Richmond, VA === Subject: Re: Anti-Global Warming Hypothesis right-wingers.. Then, you should have no problem disproving the global warming hypothesis, and the studies that were used to define it.. --I guess that leaves you out, as that would be a false argument.. === Subject: Re: Rigorous definition of Planck's Constant [snip stupidity] -- All that babble about how fucking experienced you are in antennas, and -- you don't even know what multipole moments are. It is interesting to see that Eric Gisse claims that he has remote vision, and can do Google searches on the minds of people. Hopefully Gisse will demonstrate his psychic powers by posting the gmail passwords of some sci.physics regulars. I am sure many readers would like to see just how powerful Gisse's psychic powers are. I think this would open up a whole new dimension of physics!!!! -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: Re: The delusions of the idle. It is interesting to see that Mark L. Fergerson and his ilk get laws passed making it a crime for folks to question the Holocaust Industry's version of the so-called Holocaust yet here he is demanding proof that folks have been victims of Institutionalized Bigotry, when it is clear that Jews have institutionalized Bigotry, and use it every day to Jimmy Carter and Mel Gibson politicians, companies, and individuals, who make public TRUTHFUL statements that Jews don't want the public exposed to. To read the stories of a few of the many folks who have been victims of Institutionalized bigotry visit the web site below. -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: Re: The delusions of the idle. The definition of bigot is: A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own. As can be seen in this thread, Mark L. Fergerson makes a great effort to label me as a White Supremacist when the fact of the matter is that my best friends are Blacks, I taught in an all Black inner city High School, I defend Blacks, Muslims, Asians, and Latinos, I am married to an Asian, and the flower girl at my grandson's recent wedding was a beautiful, little Black girl. And why is Mark L. Fergerson such a bigot, and why is he trying to silence and discredit me? Because I pointed out, that Jews have come into conflict with all of their neighbors throughout history, and that they were central to the Class Wars of the 1900's, and are central to the Religious Wars of the 2000's. To read the stories of a few of the many folks who have been victims of Institutionalized bigotry visit the web site below. -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: Re: The delusions of the idle. posting-account=42V-qwoAAABOAKkANAhMmpW4F3ZbRLXb Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Apparently the real Tom Potter is too busy to participate in this thread and has returned to one of his old habits; activating a very simple stimulus-response program (affectionately known by regulars here in sci.physics as the Potterbot) to substitute for him. Unfortunately Tom Potter has not programmed the Potterbot with current data, i. e. that his charge of bigotry against me has been falsified using his own chosen definition. His lapse is evidenced by the Potterbot's continuing to make the falsified claim. Tom Potter of course knows that I have tried to do the exact opposite- to get him to speak on many subjects, for instance which of his opinions he believes have not been respected, but he chooses to maintain unexplained silence on them. Tom Potter of course knows he is the only one who can prevent discrediting of his posts' content as biased- by such actions as renouncing his support of the self-described White Supremacist authors of the websites jewwatch.com and adamsbible.com, naming a single Jew he would call good, or a single action he would characterize as right performed by a Jew. Unfortunately this information the Potterbot also lacks. Tom Potter failed to program the Potterbot with the fact that those neighbors have also come into conflict with all their non- Jewish neighbors throughout history. And of course the Potterbot has not been programmed to substantiate Tom Potter's assertions with evidence. It will be easy to tell when the real Tom Potter returns to the discussion; when he responds directly to my earlier challenges: 1. Potter is hereby challenged to clearly state his opinions that he alleges I have not tolerated and cite specifically how I have demonstrated my alleged intolerance of them. If he refuses he is morally obliged to publicly withdraw the charge or be demonstrated to not behave in a MORAL fashion; i. e. be exposed as a blatant liar and hypocrite. 2. Potter is hereby challenged to quote me lying and provide independent proof that I lied. If he cannot he is morally obliged to retract the accusation or be demonstrated to not behave in a MORAL fashion; i. e. be exposed as a blatant liar and hypocrite. 3. Potter is hereby challenged to quote me making distortions and provide independent proof of what he claims I distorted and how I distorted it. If he cannot he is morally obliged to retract the accusation or be demonstrated to not behave in a MORAL fashion; i. e. be exposed as a blatant liar and hypocrite. 4. Potter is hereby challenged to quote me stating a half-truth. If he cannot he is morally obliged to retract the accusation or be demonstrated to not behave in a MORAL fashion; i. e. be exposed as a blatant liar and hypocrite. 5. Potter is hereby challenged to provide a quote of me calling him a White Supremacist. If he cannot he is morally obliged to withdraw the accusation or be demonstrated to not behave in a MORAL fashion; i. e. be exposed as a blatant liar and hypocrite. 6. Perhaps Potter equates my pointing out his association with the self- professed White Supremacists who operate jewwatch.com and adamsbible.com with calling him that term. He is hereby challenged to disassociate himself from them. If he refuses he is morally obliged to withdraw the accusation or be demonstrated to not behave in a MORAL fashion; i. e. be exposed as a blatant liar and hypocrite. Mark L. Fergerson === Subject: Re: Sad News. John Wheeler is dead. What's to explain, Potter? Of course I'm associated with Iowa State University... Those aren't my words, but those of Google. What's your problem Potter? -- I suggest that Potter ought to look at the content more closely and -- try perhaps work on his comprehension a bit. As folks with good comprehension can see, you seem to be trolling for people with poor comprehension, people who will be impressed by the fact that you are or were on the payroll for Iowa State University, and your url is edu-observatory.org Just what kind of observatory are you running anyway? Considering that Archimedes Plutonium was on Dartmouth's payroll, perhaps he should emulate you and use the url EDU-PHYSICS.ORG and point out that he was associated with Dartmouth. I will say that you do feature pretty good content, but in my mind you cheapen your site, and yourself by pretending to be something you are not. -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: Re: Sad News. John Wheeler is dead. It is interesting to see that PD and his buddy Eric Gisse, do not think that Sam Wormley is capable of defending his use of a misleading URL ( edu-observatory.org ), and his implication that his web site is operated by Iowa State University, so they jump in and provide support with personal attacks, rather than with rational, intelligent, MORAL discourse. I wonder if the old saying Thicker than thieves. applies to the Einstein Cult??? -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: Re: Sad News. John Wheeler is dead. posting-account=rIfu6QoAAAD5nXG3h9QEE0J3dZn1U45R Gecko/2008032620 Firefox/3.0b5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Why do you care who or what operates and hosts the site? === Subject: Re: Sad News. John Wheeler is dead. -- Why do you care who or what operates and hosts the site? I care about who or what operates and hosts the site, because it appears to be an attempt to appear to be something it isn't. What I'd like to know is: why do you care, about why I care about who or what operates and hosts the site? Are you writing a book about me? If so, you'll have to sign a contract with my agent, if you want me to answer personal questions. -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: Re: Sad News. John Wheeler is dead. posting-account=rIfu6QoAAAD5nXG3h9QEE0J3dZn1U45R Gecko/2008032620 Firefox/3.0b5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Books only get written about interesting people. === Subject: Re: Sad News. John Wheeler is dead. posting-account=nPH_PQkAAACneDKT6RXopPWArC2We4Rq AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1 Safari/525.13,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Of course, he's capable. What on earth would lead you to a ridiculous presumption like that. However, you are publishing to a public forum, wherein by posting you expressly invite mockery from all comers. I seized on that opportunity. It is still interesting to see that Potter cannot distinguish a .org from a .edu domain, and that he continues to whine that he is being deliberately misled in his naivety and dweebitude. It is certainly a good thing that Potter resides in a place where he could be protected, if he so chose, from being misled on the internet. === Subject: Re: Sad News. John Wheeler is dead. -- Of course, he's capable. -- What on earth would lead you to a ridiculous -- presumption like that. What lead me to the rational presumption that you think that Wormley is incapable of defending his use of a misleading URL is that you: went to the trouble of finding some non edu sites that have edu in their URLs, composed your low class, personal attack post, and then intruded on my response to Sam. As the old saying goes: Who asked you to butt in? Did I? Did Sam? Are you trying to help Sam, or do you have some kind of mental problem? -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: Re: Sad News. John Wheeler is dead. posting-account=nPH_PQkAAACneDKT6RXopPWArC2We4Rq AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1 Safari/525.13,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Personal attack?! I was positively oozing with care and concern for you, while noting with complete objectivity what anyone with at least half a wit would instantly grasp from reading your post -- that you cannot distinguish .edu domains from .org domains and you are perhaps rightfully terrified by being misled in the sites that you visit. Well, as I said, and which you snipped, out of obvious disdain for facts, you are publishing to a public forum, wherein by posting you expressly invite mockery from all comers. I seized on that opportunity. === Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Ten_more_reasons_Obama_shouldn=92t_be?= President: NoEinstein If you read your own posts your hate of Obama shows through very clearly. You are a first class hypocrite Your no Einstein or a Jefferson. You are an ass hole Bert === Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Ten_more_reasons_Obama_shouldn=92t_be_President=3A?= posting-account=8k9z_QoAAABfJ6zct3wDB2k3FKfRerU2 5.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) with someone, and hating that person. Obama happens to have excess testosterone that makes him very determined. But just because he is determined to be President doesn't make that the best thing for the USA. You should learn to love instead of hate. It's all a matter of having the right attitude! Ñ NoEinstein Ñ === Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Ten_more_reasons_Obama_shouldn=92t_be?= President: No Einstein You are sweet poison. Fork tongue Can't see further than your nose. You have your hate,and its easy for all to realize. Bert === Subject: Re: Light falls in time; it changes energy Plonk! === Subject: Re: Light falls in time; it changes energy posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Gravity increases light energy when it enters slower time. === Subject: Re: Light falls in time; it changes energy ETAuAhUAup1WnZadHxlwzWcIwPwdrqwhXQoCFQCBlO9SPCmBtTtybXf7P8/PHvkwbQ== Since space curving is both concave and convex Light can fall up. Bert === Subject: Re: Light falls in time; it changes energy Have you been around for the last eight years and read his constant condescending comments regardless of how many times I've given him a break? No. Well I'm fed up with it and am giving him back what he's given . Pete === Subject: VOLCANIC ACTIVITY IN ANTARCTICA _ an open letter to Ross Garnault, Australia Prime Minister Kevin Rudd Advisor posting-account=A8pKuwoAAADgN1XZv1qMScsBr5QF9k98 1.1.4322; MSN Optimized;FR; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; MSN Optimized;FR),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Mr Garnaut This is copy for information of a post on aus.ng and sci.geo.geology etc ng, with my comments following below In all evidence you do not know where the Earth comes from and whereto it is heading, just as any of your colleagues advisers to Australia Prime Minister Kevin Rudd... With a situation gone out of hand, only another approach not based on short term profit but of sustenance will be able to save you all from disaster. In clear this would mean putting the banking, financial, medic, drug industry , poisons manufacturing, food etc cash greedy vultures outlawed sectors under close scrutiny & control I do not think any of you people is able to do this, and the preesent situation reminds me of the Titanic steaming at full speed on 14th of April 1912 night, t while the feasts were going on onboard until an abrupt stop in the dancing & dining. You are concerned by the situation but you have not the least idea of that real & irreveresible situation since as those people in the Titanic, 96 years ago, you believe all to be living in a closed world... It 's an open system on the contrary and all of the Physics constants which you take as granted, are in fact variables Your faithfully Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud Australia Mining Pionner *************************** DROUGHT PRODUCED BY CLIMATE CHANGE DRYING UP AUSTRALIA Act now to prevent even more disasters By Deborah deMoulpied For the Monitor April 19, 2008 - 12:00 am G'day from Down Under. I am in Australia visiting my sister, a hobby farmer north of Melbourne. Far from my green hills in Bow, New Hampshire, this is quite a different scene - and it isn't pretty # ~snip Back in New Hampshire, we talk about the weather, while here they talk about the rain - in millilitres. It drizzled 4 ml shortly after I arrived, which barely wet the leaves and then evaporated with the high winds (another result of climate change). It rains perhaps once a month, averaging only half an inch. Wells have gone salty, and drilling good water is now rare. A severe wind storm blew up red dust from the north and became a blinding dust bowl which then rained mud (that was the 4 ml). The number of days over 100 degrees has increased steadily each year. Nervousness is in the air at the mention of fire. Down here, the sea level has risen 4 inches in the past 60 years. Urbanites are arguing with farmers about water usage - the war on water has begun. etc # snip rest of story Well, well, interesting ! ... al the more since this is not cyclic as the True Geology demonstrates conclusively, but an irreversible situation resulting from Earth drift on Ecliptic towards Mars etc & Pluto orbits Nothing to worry about by the way since this is the normal progression of every planet in every solar system ... born from Mother star, driven in progressively reduced Cosmic Density Atmosphere ( notion proper to the True Geology ) to the bio range to which in due course it does escape, and Beliefs & Dogmas from religious sects & their alleged prophets will not change a iota to that process, as well as Beliefs & Dogmas peddled from all those Academics pontifying Dwarf (s) in their Oxford, ANU, Caltech etc Universities ... all the more since according to the True Geology hence, and then Planetary Expansion (local case of EE being observed) which is part of that arcane, we should see soon important Volcanic Activity in East Antarctica of the importance of the Krakatoa eruption of 26 / 27th of August 1883 There is already some noted volcanic activity in the Pine Island Bay + an important underwater volcano detected recently in the Weddell sea by survey ship l But nothing indeed of the size anticipated for the Queen Maud Land & under the East Antarctica Ice shelf .... I said before the anticipated rise of the 7 seas could be 1 m at the end of this very year, and as a consequence of accelerated Planetary Expansion consecutive to Global Warming, a few volcanoes of the Erebus calibre could prove me wrong with then 5 m rise in Australia next Xmas .... This should stir things up a bit especially in the Murray where water will be seen flowing at top level .... sea water of course In the meantime Rudd and his 1000 Retards have trying to initiate a Brainstorm ... that will end as miserable puffing Willy-Willy of course, GONE WITH THE WIND !!! Indeed none of those Universities brainwashed Cretins knows anything about the True Geology : 1) The birth of Australia a mere 12 000 years, 2) The origin of Pilbara Iron Ore & Manganese province as former Magnetic Pole of the Earth when the Equator was around present poles at that above indicated time mark ! 3) and a thousand other things direct or induced from the True Geology understanding Further still such mind programmed fools have as basic paradigm the stablility of Earth on Ecliptic since creation ! ... the ONLY ONE who could have given Rudd all the answers he requires is the one who put 3 mines on the MAP OF THE LAND OF BASTARDS indeed, and which that Convict Rabble kicked out as best expression of Gratitude & Recognition possible ... trying but failing to murder that outstanding Geological Genius as certainly some of the Mining & Political Criminals class intended ... NOW WE CAN SEE THE RESULTS ! ... with those poor fools trying to understand the whole synthetic panorama & conceive at the same time the induced collateral damages of such out of hand situation... Beyond the reach of those STERILE indeed and stereotyped little minds in all evidence. WHERE AUSTRALIA BE WITH A 5 M SEA RISE SOON ???? This is the question any of you should ask Rudd, Carpenter & Co, alongside that question : Is it not a fact that you whole Great Sandy Desert Multi Trillions Dollars Cover up Scheme failed ? and are you proud of yourself unmasked with that 38 years duration Collectivise Crimes on your hand ??? Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud Australia Mining Pioneer Discoverer of Telfer, Nifty & Kintyre mines in the Great Sandy Desert Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant Bus ph + 33 6 50 17 14 64 Founder of the True Geology ~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One never Forgiven ~ for background info. http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/nac.html http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/turcaud.htm http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s28534.htm Additional addressees Ross.Garnaut@anu.edu.au, contactus@garnautreview.org.au, Peter.Garrett.MP@aph.gov.au, Greg.Hunt.MP@aph.gov.au, senator.faulkner@aph.gov.au, R.McClelland.MP@aph.gov.au, Malcolm.Turnbull.MP@aph.gov.au, senator.scullion@aph.gov.au, senator.wong@aph.gov.au, senator.carol.brown@aph.gov.au, senator.obrien@aph.gov.au, senator.polley@aph.gov.au, senator.sherry@aph.gov.au, Catryna.Bilyk@alp.org.au, Duncan.Kerr.MP@aph.gov.au, D.Adams.MP@aph.gov.au, Jodie.Campbell.MP@aph.gov.au, Sid.Sidebottom.MP@aph.gov.au, Julie.Collins.MP@aph.gov.au, Tony.Burke.MP@aph.gov.au, A.Albanese.MP@aph.gov.au, Julia.Gillard.MP@aph.gov.au, S.Crean.MP@aph.gov.au, senator.carr@aph.gov.au, senator.ludwig@aph.gov.au, martin.ferguson.mp@aph.gov.au, Anthony.Byrne.MP@aph.gov.au, senator.bushby@aph.gov.au, senator.barnett@aph.gov.au, senator.watson@aph.gov.au, senator.colbeck@aph.gov.au, senator.parry@aph.gov.au, letters@smh.com.au, letters.editor@canberratimes.com.au, letters@theaustralian.com.au , mercuryedletter@dbl.newsltd.com.au === Subject: Re: VOLCANIC ACTIVITY IN ANTARCTICA _ an open letter to Ross Garnault, Australia Prime Minister Kevin Rudd Advisor posting-account=A8pKuwoAAADgN1XZv1qMScsBr5QF9k98 1.1.4322; MSN Optimized;FR; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; MSN Optimized;FR),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) and the demonstration of the consequences of such could be seen in softening of sea water ... As a clue right here in France, while conducting an environmental survey with professionals of the sea, I learnt that oysters which some years back were mature in 18 month, NOW TOOK 3 YEARS TO ACHIEVE ADULTHOOD ! The dilution of minerals needed to construct the oysters shells, in clear Sodium (in NaCl) alchemically transformed into Calcium & Mg too by the way ( oh yes, as that poor University backed sci000nce ignores indeed ), is obviously reduced. I will follow that lead and find out from CSIRO equivalent here, the present concentrations of sea water minerals ! .. and of course I am supporting all my research & True Geology writing on my own fortune + all other expenses incumbent to my rank. ( ...and God knows how much it costs me to maintain my 2 Breton stage- coach horses, although happily the wrangler's cost are shared with my cousin) Anyway the True Geology is again making a breakthrough in understanding of our past & indeed anticipation of our future ... as for the present it flowing through at accelerated pace between those borders Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud ~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One never Forgiven ~ === Subject: Re: VOLCANIC ACTIVITY IN ANTARCTICA _ an open letter to Ross Garnault, Australia Prime Minister Kevin Rudd Advisor posting-account=mwrYUwoAAABwnOipDbLKoGFKF_CgA62m 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Just like the earthquakes tidal waves plagues you predicted for Sydney / Australia etc.... idiot === Subject: Re: VOLCANIC ACTIVITY IN ANTARCTICA _ an open letter to Ross Garnault, Australia Prime Minister Kevin Rudd Advisor posting-account=mwrYUwoAAABwnOipDbLKoGFKF_CgA62m 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Just like the earthquakes tidal waves plagues you predicted for Sydney / Australia etc.... idiot. === Subject: Re: VOLCANIC ACTIVITY IN ANTARCTICA _ an open letter to Ross Garnault, Australia Prime Minister Kevin Rudd Advisor posting-account=A8pKuwoAAADgN1XZv1qMScsBr5QF9k98 1.1.4322; MSN Optimized;FR; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; MSN Optimized;FR),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) for God sake, Rabbid scum of Eduard Groenstein get yourself circumcised ... again, and for fuck sake just shut up then ... You are as mad as your Dr Fraud of Vienna babbling friend ...remember, that sexual-deviant drug-addict's sick statements reached such level of abjection, some people had to remove that beast 's jaw to stop it ! ... and so do yours ... Short of that, why don't you eat Kosher and go to the Synag from time to time to pat the back of the Thora.... It would certainly do you some good. You can go in piece now, little Turdstein rat, you have done your act SHABBAT SHALOM === Subject: Re: VOLCANIC ACTIVITY IN ANTARCTICA _ an open letter to Ross Garnault, Australia Prime Minister Kevin Rudd Advisor Master, I think The Man from Havana is not the Groenstein beast. WELLDONE! Yep! === Subject: Re: Campaigning is a 'Science', too. posting-account=8k9z_QoAAABfJ6zct3wDB2k3FKfRerU2 5.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Heretofore, we humans have tried to find security by siding with a strong group with a strong leader or leaders. Often this had been for the protection of our own physical well-being, not just to gain some vague economic or sociological advantage. In the last two centuries Blacks have rallied together for their common cause of reducing discrimination against their numbers. Though they have been hugely successful, there are areas in which discrimination still exists. So, any Ôideal' America must address the concerns of BlacksÑfairly and equitably. There has never been a Black President of the USA. Jesse Jackson, Colin Powell, Al Sharpton, and now Barack Obama are smart Black men who have each been considered for this country's highest office. A recent poll showed that 76% of voters would be willing to consider a Black candidate for President. Since Obama is the Black candidate of the moment, his spinners quickly implied that 76% of the voters want Ôhim'. But his viability as a candidate is being brought into question because of the recent negative press over Reverend Jeremiah Wright's Òdamn the USAÓ sermon, and due to Obama's candid remarks showing his frustration in trying to appeal to those who have fallen on hard times in the Òsmall townsÓ of Pennsylvania, and across America. In recent weeks I've explained how the apparent unity of the Black community behind Obama is, actually, an ominous sign for America. How could that be? Obviously, there would be racial pride among Blacks in finally having a Black elected President. But is that ÒprideÓ a sufficient justification for electing Obama? A prudent observer would expect that a candidate's support would vary up and down as new revelations about his or her qualifications are aired. When negative aspects concerning Obama surfaced before the Texas and Ohio primaries, Obama's support among Blacks Ôshould' have varied, too. But his 90 plus percent of the Black vote stayed steadyÉ And THAT fact is what is most ominousÑbecause it shows that a huge voting block is biased, beyond reason, to support a candidate who isn't qualified either by experience, or because of his character or lack of same, to be President. ÒThe oratorÓ, Obama, comes across as an angry fighter for his causes. He appeals to those who are angry enough to fightÉ or who will rally around someone who will do so for them. Electing people to Òfight for usÓ in Washington is what has been going on in this country since it was established. After a typical election, about 50% of the voters are losers, and they don't like it. Nor does the losing party Òlike itÓ. So, whatever good sounding rhetoric that got a politician elected, usually gets squelched in the constant ÒfightsÓ in our perennial, ineffectual congresses. So, an Obama Presidency would be a loose/loose situation for America. In our time of discontent, the USA has an untapped UNITY that holds perhaps the only promise of salvation for this country! To wit: 81% of adults are Òunhappy with the direction this country is headedÓ. And such number of citizensÑif united for the common objective of correcting the problemsÑcan FORCE the needed changes! Only by being Òunited in our discontentÓ can the American people MEET the constitutional requirements to change things! And there isn't anything that Congress or the Courts can do to stop it! Presently, Barack Obama's continued candidacy for President is the main obstacle to correcting those solvable problems! For too long our political partiesÑunsanctioned by the ConstitutionÑhave royally screwed up America! They have done so, primarily, by insertingÉ political party sanctions into our could have been democracy- approximating form of government. Without fair representation of each individual citizen, regardless of race, sex, color or creed, this country is on a path to failure. We Òdiscontented citizens of the USAÓ must NOT let that happen! CNN's John King points out that Obama's best chance to win in Pennsylvania is by his getting a high percentage ofÉ the Black vote in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. But if those Blacks are united behind Obama because of his ÒcolorÓ alone, then racial issues have DIVIDED America much more than they ever were before Obama came on the scene! If Blacks are rallying behind Obama, because he seemsÉ mad and wants to fight, they are KILLING any chance they might have had to correct the remaining discrimination against their numbers. Blacks must NOT be one-dimensional, color-is-all-that-matters, people! As strong a voting block as their numbers are, there aren't enough Blacks to counter the likely WHITE discontent that will surface if there is any color based, reverse discrimination in this country. So, there is no way that Obama can help to end the discrimination against Blacks. Daily, thousands of Blacks who have felt so disenfranchised that they have never registered to vote, are being hustled to support Obama. But voting is a PRIVATE privilege, NOT a predestined duty for one candidate! Obama is violating principles of democracy by inserting his organization into the voter registration process in any way whatsoever. The best and perhaps only way for Blacks to get fair treatment is for them to UNITE to change our governmental processes to be more closely a democracy. But this read-between-the-lines process to change won't happen if Blacks cause this country to become more polarized along racial lines by continuing to support Barack Obama! The most positive outcome in Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana is to have a DECREASING percentage of BLACKS voting for that man! Then, and only then, will Blacks show that they haven't been BOUGHT by anyone! If Blacks want their just and equitable share of power, they can have it by voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton for President of the United States of America. If they will do so, ALL Americans will be the beneficiaries! Respectfully submitted, Ñ NoEinstein Ñ === Subject: i have to be brief cause i am on probation from the mental institutiton posting-account=DN75NQoAAAAmbTBmr15yOidSQichxLOE Media Center PC 3.0; .NET CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) i don't have much time and money too to tell you more on this cause i am still under physical mental and economical arest in the BARDOVCI mental institution. take a look at this picture please: GWBasic W. Bush is several rangs lower SS AGENT under direct comand of TATO VASE the FEARER. zoom into the central strar here: TATO VASE THE FRIENDLY PACIFISTIC HIPPY FEARER is silver star watch with 6 sand or even better imabalance clocks. i hate to do this but can you spare a few dollars and send them on str 1251 #26 Skopje 1060 Macedonia. my snickers are falling apart and i must cover my genitalials with Adam's klif. by the way people don't trust my work being worthy a while cause it doesn't bring me money or it doesn't bring money to any one else too. I thank 1st6(good goodes) 2nd6(devil satana) and 3rd6(titan and === Subject: Re: Welcome! to the Physics Newsgroups posting-account=7bF0GwoAAABMFHX6V4fON4-1F6LFJ834 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) ... ... ... The operations are (roughly, my guess): 1) post to Google 2) delay 3) post visible on Google 4) delay 5) post goes to usenet et al 6) delay 7) search on Google with newly added keywords (such as one's own name), sorted by date, returns your own last post. Delays 2 and 4 are very short (minutes). Dealy 4 may actually occur paralle with delay 6. Delay 6 can be anywhere from 30 minutes to half- a-day. Google does most bulk processes by batch. They search web pages by batch. They search newsgroup posts by batch. They process those batches into abbreviated versions that are local to Google and (then) rapidly searched. Peter was not aware about Google's internals. He was posting and reading from Google, and the batch delay affects him more than someone that posts and reads via a formal NSP. David A. Smith === Subject: Re: Compelling evidence for in vacuo light speed anisotrophy posting-account=1FV9tgoAAADH0azT7-mxErKgugI383zU Gecko/20060414,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) -- Continuation of earlier reply by Surfer It is not large. But another factor to consider is that the above run might not be from data used for final calculations. The experiments here presented have involved the taking of an enormous amount of observational material, by far the greater part of which was for the purpose of making adjustments and for preliminary trials of conditions; while only the smaller portion, which is still very large, has been used in the final calculations. If you selected runs at random, you may have obtained the run presented in your paper from the greater part rather than from the smaller portion. Page 212, left hand column On some occasions the temperature conditions are so steady that no adjustment of fringes is required through several sets, which may cover an interval of an hour or more. In the run that you present in your paper, several adjustments can be seen, so it is clearly not not from the better data. Not during storms. For a realistic comparision, I think you should consider attempts to determine average wind velocity over a period of a year. For wind velocity during a year, the relative magnitudes may be as great or greater. He didn't analyse the Joos data. He merely commented on it. Eg In: http://redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/V11NO1PDF/V11N1CA2.PDF In Fig.16 that one rotation data are compared with the form expected for Jena on May 30 using the Miller speed and direction together with the new refractive index effect,and using the refractive index of helium.The agreement is quite re- markable. I class that as information of a type that doesn't prove anything, but that nevertheless has interest value. -- === Subject: Re: Compelling evidence for in vacuo light speed anisotrophy posting-account=1FV9tgoAAADH0azT7-mxErKgugI383zU Gecko/20060414,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) I am just pointing out that your error analysis in that section doesn't reflect the real situation. Miller contemplated an idealist model. Eg he noted that under ideal conditions all the numbers in column 1 (and in column 17) should be the same integer. However he processed his data in a manner suitable for a realist model, ie for a fluctuating signal. That method of processing produced useful results. In particular, Miller modeled temperature effects as a linear drift and treated any deviations from that as signal. So he records fluctuations as part of the signal. That was realistic because he did experiments to confirm that temperature effects could be modeled that way. In contrast, your error analysis uses the idealist model, that assumes that any real signal would have the same value at Marker 1 and Marker 9. (That is a false premise as I pointed out) So your analysis uses an idealist model (and a false premise) that comes to wrong conclusions. In contrast, inspite of idealist contemplations, when it came to practice, Miller used a realist model that produced useful results. What you say would be true for a calm and stable medium. But looking at Section IV, I see another false premise. At the top of page 6 you write: data = signal(orientation) + systematic(time) The key point is that signal(orientation) is independent of time, and for each orientation (marker) it has the same value for every turn of the interferometer within a given data run Therefore if the data from the first turn is subtracted marker-by-marker from the data of every turn, the result is completely independent of any orientation dependence, and contains only systematic(time). What is false here, is that for a fluid medium, the velocity would vary with time, so the signal would vary with both orientation and time. That would be true if the uncertainty had been correctly calculated. But owing to the false premise mentioned above, your logic and calculations that follow would be wrong. That means nearly everything in Section IV would be wrong. To be continued... === Subject: Can the Second Law of Thermodynamics Be Circumvented? Can the Second Law of Thermodynamics Be Circumvented? The validity of the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics seems to be beyond question. Under the first law, the total energy content of a closed system must remain constant. Under the second law, the availability of that energy for useful purposes must always decrease or remain constant. In effect, the First Law of Thermodynamics states that you can't win and the Second Law states that, furthermore, you can't break even. The First Law of Thermodynamics is unquestionably true, energy can neither be created nor destroyed, General Relativity not withstanding. The Second Law of Thermodynamics stands on less firm ground because it is a law based upon statistics. As such, it is in the same category as an actuarial table. An insurance company can predict quite accurately how many people will die in a given year. They cannot predict who those people will be. Statistical laws are valid for large numbers of events; they become less significant as the number of events is reduced. As an example, if one patronizes a casino, he might initially win a large sum of money playing a slot machine, but if he continues to play he not only will give all his winnings back to the casino, he will sustain a significant loss. The question then arises as to whether it is possible to by-pass the Second Law of Thermodynamics though the use of nanomachines. (A nanomachine is a mechanism whose significant dimensions are measured in nanometers, the size scale of atoms.) One who observes Brownian motion in a microscope might reasonably conclude that,in principle at least, a nanomachine could be built which would bypass the Second Law of Thermodynamics. When a liquid containing continuous (Brownian) motion. That motion is caused by random thermal thermal motion of water molecules can produce a visibly observable motion in unreasonable to believe that suitable nanomachines could organize the effect to produce a useful mechanical output. The postulated nanomachines would then be able to export energy to the outside environment that it obtained by reducing the temperature of the liquid. The exported energy would be converted to heat and raise the temperature of the external environment as the output performed useful work. The resultant temperature difference between the environment and the liquid will then cause the energy which had done useful work to flow back into the liquid to return it to its original temperature and allows the process to continue indefinitely. James Clark Maxwell proposed a hypothetical perpetual motion machine, known as Maxwell's Demon, which was not proven to be THEORETICALLY unworkable for 75 years. In that machine, Maxwell imagined that a demon controlled a microscopic gate between two gas filled chambers. Making use of the fact that, in a gas, the velocity of the molecules is random and that the temperature of the gas is determined by the mean velocity of those molecules, Maxwell proposed the concept that, if an appropriate demon existed, he could sense the speed of molecules approaching the gate and open the gate only when a fast molecule approached it from one side or when a slow molecule approached it from the other side. By operating the gate in this manner, the demon would sort the molecules so that one chamber contained fast molecules and the other chamber contained slow molecules. Since the temperature of a gas is determined by the mean velocity of its molecules, such a process will maintain a temperature difference between the chambers that can be exploited to produce useful work in a direct violation of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. It took 75 years before a rigorous proof was found which was able to show that the energy required for Maxwell's Demon to identify the fast and slow molecules and allow the gate to operate was at least as great as the energy that could be released and Maxwell's Demon was shown to be an unworkable concept. There is a modification to the concept of Maxwell's Demon for which there is, at least as yet, no valid theoretical objection. Suppose that the two chambers of the Maxwell's Demon example no longer rely on a demon but are separated by a diffusion membrane having a permeability from side A to side B which is higher than the permeability from side B to side A. The energy required to allow the membrane to make the decisions it needs to make in order for it to function in this manner is available in the kinetic energy of the gas molecules passing through it. In diffusing through the membrane, molecules can provide the energy needed by being slowed from their average room temperature velocity of about 1300 feet per second to a much lower exit velocity. The lower velocity of the gas leaving the membrane means that side B is colder than the ambient temperature. The loss of kinetic energy by the molecules as they pass though membrane provides the energy required to operate the differential diffusion mechanism in the membrane pores, and the membrane becomes warmer than the ambient temperature. If the surface areas are sufficiently large, the temperature of the gas on both sides of the membrane and of the membrane itself must remain close to the temperature of the environment. As a result, the pressure in chamber B will be higher than the pressure in chamber A. That difference in pressure can be used to operate a turbine and provide useful output power. As the gas flowing through the turbine produces output power, the chambers are cooled below the ambient temperature and energy flows from the environment to the chambers to replace the energy delivered by the turbine. The arrangement would extract useful energy from its environment in direct contradiction to the Second Law of Thermodynamics. See http://einsteinhoax.com/cf153.gif. Conceptually, the membrane might be constructed with pores that were covered by pring-loaded trapdoors, as shown in http://einsteinhoax.com/cf154.gif. In this illustration, a molecule represented by a ball approaches the right side of the membrane at a velocity, which was appropriate to its temperature, knock the trapdoor open, and pass through it. A similar molecule approaching the trapdoor from the left side would bounce back and not pass through to the right side. When the molecule on the right passed through the trapdoor, it would lose most of its kinetic energy to the trapdoor and exit at a low velocity. As a result, the trapdoor and the membrane would be heated and the molecule which passed though it would be cooled. The process would generate a local temperature difference that would quickly be equalized by any reasonable level of heat transfer. The first theoretical objection to this type of perpetual motion machine that the author has found in literature is that it cannot work because it violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This is hardly a valid objection since the arrangement is specifically designed to bypass the limitations of that law. The Second Law of Thermodynamics is a statistical law and it is not binding on nanomachinery since such mechanisms deal with molecules on an individual basis and the pores of the assumed diffusion membranes certainly qualify as nanomechanisms. (The Second Law of Thermodynamics, or the Law of Entropy increase if you prefer, does apply to the membrane itself and to the gas in the chambers since they involve large numbers of randomly interacting pore is an independently acting nanomechanism and, as such, is not bound by the Second Law of Thermodynamics (Entropy). The only other theoretical objection that the author has found was provided in another book by Dr. Feynmann in which he described a nanomechanism consisting of a riverboat type of paddle wheel mounted on a shaft inside a cylinder containing a fluid. The paddle wheel was bombarded by the random motion of the molecules of the fluid and caused the shaft undergo a random rotary oscillation. To convert this motion to a useful output, an EXTERNAL one-way ratchet was attached to the shaft. Dr. Feynmann then demonstrated that the device would not work because the motion of the ratchet pawl would generate enough heat so that the resultant thermal molecular motion of the ratchet and pawl would make the pawl bounce sufficiently to render the one way mechanism inoperative. is undoubtedly an excellent theoretical physicist, he is not as effective as a design engineer. Relocating the ratchet mechanism to the interior of the fluid chamber must cool it close to the temperature of the fluid and dampen its bounce. As a result, Dr. Feynmann's objections would vanish. When the model is modified, Dr. Feynmann probably would be forced to agree, that unless another objection could devised, the concept should represent a physically realizable device that would by-pass the Second Law of Thermodynamics. A theoretical demonstration that the mechanism suggested by the author cannot work requires a proof that the permeability of all possible diffusion membranes must be the same in both directions. Deriving such a proof may be particularly difficult because the pores of the required membrane are allowed to extract energy from the molecules that pass though them. CONSIDERABLE EFFORT IS JUSTIFIED IN DEVELOPING SUCH A PROOF. IF THAT PROOF CANNOT FOUND, THE POSSIBILITY OF BUILDING A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE OF THE SECOND KIND IS NOT FOOLISH AND AN ALL OUT EFFORT TO DEMONSTRATE IT IS JUSTIFIED. IF IT CAN BE BUILT, SOCIETY WOULD HAVE AN INEXHAUSTIBLE AND POLLUTION FREE SOURCE OF ENERGY THAT PROBABLY COULD BE SIZED FOR THE SMALLEST HOMES AND THE LARGEST FACTORIES. Please do not bombard the writer with the foolish objection that the proposed mechanism can't work because it would violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics, it is designed to do just that, and please don't raise the objection that it can't work because the overall entropy of the Universe can never be decreased. In this regard, the proposed mechanism is entropy neutral. The source material for this posting may be found in http://einsteinhoax.com/hoax.htm (1997); http://einsteinhoax.com/gravity.htm (1987); and http://einsteinhoax.com/relcor.htm (1997). EVERYTHING WHICH WE ACCEPT AS TRUE MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE WE HAVE ACCEPTED AS TRUE, IT MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH ALL OBSERVATIONS, AND IT MUST BE MATHEMATICALLY VIABLE. PRESENT TEACHINGS DO NOT ALWAYS MEET THIS REQUIREMENT. THE WORLD IS ENTITLED TO A HIGHER STANDARD OF WORKMANSHIP FROM THOSE IT HAS GRANTED WORLD CLASS STATUS. 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Challenges to date have revealed only the responder's inadequacy with one exception for which a correction was provided. === Subject: Re: Al Gore plagiaried and lied about AGW Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) If trends continue ... Gore didn't say next year. Ditto. Ditto You are lying -- this is true. It's one of the causes. They are threatened -- even the US gov't admits this. Lie. Lie. Lie. Ask an insurance company. You lie. If A causes B and B causes C, A causes C. Like you do! Lie. It is. Parts of it are warming fastest. Snow isn't caused by cold. We have records going back further. Lie. Lie. Lie. Lie. Glaciers are melting due to GW. How about now? Lie. This is now. Insects and other diseases are moving to higher altitudes. And thrive in warmer climates. Uh, the Supreme Court has ruled on this. === Subject: Re: Shawyer Drive or Emdrive WILL Likely Lift a Light Vehicle. posting-account=1wPXHwkAAACFV0NiGWX7tZb1o0HYkMjT .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; PeoplePal 6.6),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) It seems the poor theorist will have to experiment. When I do and if its works then there is a patent coming. I have a 1200 watt 12-120volt inverter. And I will go to Good Will and get a $10 suitable magnetron. I will actually have to make a waveguide spin axis | large cone side * * * * * * * * waveguide * * * * * * * * * * small cone side ******************* ******************* ******************* Magnetron ******************* ******************* | spin axis I use a simple waveguide as shown above. Asymmetric field as a conic sided container is allowed to have the small end as a magnetron cathod. A Shaywer drive as an unspun field will have to be renamed to an Eagleson Drive. I figure that theoretically 1500 rpm will lift it off. I will use a small high current 12 volt lead cell to run it for a minute. The whole thing will weigh about 15 lbs. I promise to stand back because of likely leakage. I don't know yet how to tin up a cone. Mine will litterally be a copper foil over cardboard and duct tape affair. Douglas Eagleson Gaithersburg, MD USA I will have to make a 1500 rpm launch pad with a launch tube. I will keep you posted. === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass posting-account=nPH_PQkAAACneDKT6RXopPWArC2We4Rq AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1 Safari/525.13,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) This is ahahahahanson's MO. It is always the scientists' fault. If they are wrong, then it is the scientists' fault. If they are right, and they cannot educate an idiot and convince the idiot, then it is the scientists' fault. It is never the idiot's fault. ahahahahaha, hanson, you are as transparent as WalMart-variety sandwich wrap. Cackle away, hanson. It's highly amusing the way you flap your arms and giggle and point hysterically at anyone other than yourself. You've developed quite a reputation over the years for doing this. PD === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass posting-account=5GUrzQkAAADun29oaK3p_W_saUVxxHUF 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) ------------------ Congratulations PD!! now we know for sure that you are the scientists official representative and official sopkesman and some others are the idiots and you got some devine othority to deferenciate between them !!! and if you say for instance that energy has no mass thats it !!! and if you say for instance that the structure of the Atom and nuc is all along well known than probably God himsenf authorised you to anounce that !! btw all laong histoty the symbious between pompous crooks and suckers was a winning game !!! (yet a still didnt decide which of them you belong !! (:-) and next time i want to heare something from Gods authorised scientistand advance maker in science i will listen to you !... oh sorry i forgot your friend Gisse (Bonaparte) Y.Porat ------------------------------ === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass -- This message is brought to you by Androcles http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ | This is ahahahahanson's MO. It is always the scientists' fault. YBM a scientist? Ahahahahaha! === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass ahahaha.... Einstein Dingleberry fish #4 went on the hook as ... that he, Paul Draper is a professional Einstein Dingleberry who moves as close as possible to the cozy warmth Albert's sphincter from where he, Draper, openly admitted that he was a pitifully bad teacher who blames his students for his incapability to teach.... ahahahaha.... So, Draper redeem yourself, and don't argue with me, you mooch, but address and explain Androcles' inquiry to him. Here it is again for your benefit: ... ahahaha...these are 3 hilariously lovely post of yours, Andro in which you assessed the quality of the mentality of 3 responding posters that went on the hook so far... ahahaha... AHAHAHA Their IQ is on the brilliant level of fish that one sees staring at you on the tables of the fish market. -- Additionally, about an earlier response, special mention ought to be given to master VD moortel who insisted that dry ice was the answer to the issue at hand. Androcles, your question was honest and straight forward, a cut and paste, out of Einstein's 1905 paper that asks: ::: Why does Einstein say that ::: the speed from A to B is c-v, ::: the speed from B to A is c+v, ::: and the time each way is the same. ::: ::: Now, Andro, you have framed the issue properly. ::: Let's see whether you'll get any takers from ::: the realm of the learned relativity physicists. ::: Good luck. ::: hanson Andro, I do hope that some rational responder from the relativity camp will emerge and earnestly explain what you have legitimately asked. I wish you luck with your inquiry and I am out of the thread... ... unless the interns or recruits relay me responses that are so fucking funny that I just can't contain myself..... ahahahaha.... Take care, Andro, hanson Paul, see you just couldn't contain yourself even after I just told you so... ahahahahAHAHAHAHA.... Now try to be a rational responder... that is, if you have the IQ for it...?? === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass posting-account=nPH_PQkAAACneDKT6RXopPWArC2We4Rq AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1 Safari/525.13,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Case in point. ahahahahanson does NOT want to be the subject of inspection. He simply wants to be a catcalling spectator, diverting attention from himself even as he laughs maniacally. So be it. You're a catcalling spectator. PD === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass Case in point. ahahahahanson does NOT want to be the subject of inspection. He simply wants to be a catcalling spectator, diverting attention from himself even as he laughs maniacally. So be it. You're a catcalling spectator. PD Awe, awe... How sweet of you Paul Draper, you miss me already even before I am gone... Awe! Awe..... How touching, Paul... the splendid feelings of a true family man... ahahahaha... But listen, old chum, of course I am here as a spectator... I'm love to watch all those Einstein Danglers in their beliefs how cyberspace turns into their real world and how they worship and defend Einstein like the ass-venters are martyrs for their Allah, or the Jews for their messiah, with their brainwashed goyim like you in tow... ahahahaha... So, how come you do begrudge that I am laughing such a grotesque spectacle? I am her to have laughs, Paul... seeking nobody's approval or praise!... Fun is where its at! .... ahahaha... AHAHAHA... My contribution her are my laughs... Take it or leave it.. I have no inclination to cyber-grab you and press your fat puffed up face into the monitor forcing you to read my posts... ... ahaha... AHAHAHAHA.. OTOH, I am fully content and thoroughly enjoy reading your self-aggrandizing, nutrient free and saltless cyber tripe... Now why should I not laugh over that too, Paul? You are one of the provider for me having fun. You should celebrate that. ... Especially when you out-do yourself and reach into your shallow mental pockets and try to impress your Einstein co-Dingleberries with your announcement that you have spawned your own flesh & blood Wunderkinder who so became due to your, their father's GAGA-TATA- CACCA epi-genome. See here So, don't you worry Draper, I will not go away... Just remember that I choose my own teachers and you are not on that list. But I really do I love you as you being one of my favorite clowns... which is why I always say to you: THANKS FOR THE LAUGHS, PAUL... ahahaha ahahaha... ahanson : PS: Paul, now do YOURSELF a grand favor and be the first one who can convince Androcles who asked | ::: WHY does Einstein say that ::: the speed from A to B is c-v, ::: the speed from B to A is c+v, ::: and the time each way is the same. Paul, be the first to do that. Rise above your usual Dingleberry level. ... I wish you luck. I am with you, Paul. I will not bag on you and laugh at you if you make sense. Take care, Paul. Do it. hanson === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass -- This message is brought to you by Androcles http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ | Case in point. ahahahahanson does NOT want to be the subject of | inspection. He simply wants to be a catcalling spectator, diverting | attention from himself even as he laughs maniacally. So be it. You're | a catcalling spectator. | PD | Awe, awe... How sweet of you Paul Draper, you miss me | already even before I am gone... Awe! Awe..... How touching, | Paul... the splendid feelings of a true family man... ahahahaha... Isn't the case in point c+v and c-v take the same time for the same distance? Looks like Phuckwit Duck wants to change the case in point. | But listen, old chum, of course I am here as a spectator... I'm | love to watch all those Einstein Danglers in their beliefs how | cyberspace turns into their real world and how they worship | and defend Einstein like the ass-venters are martyrs for their | Allah, or the Jews for their messiah, with their brainwashed | goyim like you in tow... ahahahaha... So, how come you do | begrudge that I am laughing such a grotesque spectacle? | I am her to have laughs, Paul... seeking nobody's approval or | praise!... Fun is where its at! .... ahahaha... AHAHAHA... | My contribution her are my laughs... Take it or leave it.. | I have no inclination to cyber-grab you and press your fat | puffed up face into the monitor forcing you to read my posts... | ... ahaha... AHAHAHAHA.. ahahahahahaha! | OTOH, I am fully content and thoroughly enjoy reading your | self-aggrandizing, nutrient free and saltless cyber tripe... Now | why should I not laugh over that too, Paul? You are one of | the provider for me having fun. You should celebrate that. | ... Especially when you out-do yourself and reach into your | shallow mental pockets and try to impress your Einstein | co-Dingleberries with your announcement that you have spawned | your own flesh & blood Wunderkinder who so became due to | your, their father's GAGA-TATA- CACCA epi-genome. See here | So, don't you worry Draper, I will not go away... Just remember that | I choose my own teachers and you are not on that list. But I really do | I love you as you being one of my favorite clowns... which is why | I always say to you: THANKS FOR THE LAUGHS, PAUL... ahahaha | ahahaha... ahanson | : | PS: | Paul, now do YOURSELF a grand favor and be the first one who | can convince Androcles who asked || ::: WHY does Einstein say that | ::: the speed from A to B is c-v, | ::: the speed from B to A is c+v, | ::: and the time each way is the same. Yes, that's the case in point. | Paul, be the first to do that. Rise above your usual Dingleberry | level. ... I wish you luck. I am with you, Paul. I will not bag on you | and laugh at you if you make sense. Take care, Paul. Do it. | hanson Naughty hanson, blaming the scientist and asking for sense. As a true dingleberry, Phuckwit Duck is compelled to accept the wisdom of his mentor. Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. Ref: http://rescomp.stanford.edu/~cheshire/EinsteinQuotes.html That's one prejudice I'll own up to. === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass Incredible : one can be more insane than Androcles himself. No one could ever convince either Androcles or you of anything true, not even on the most basic issues. Anyway, there is no such place where Eistein would have said such things. Provide references so that you both demonstrate what kind of fools you are. === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass posting-account=5GUrzQkAAADun29oaK3p_W_saUVxxHUF 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) --------------------- Einstein was wrong about his curved space time !! he was right about SR !! and he was right about E=mc^2 and E=hf nobody even Einstein is perfect yet his ingenuity was by daring to 'get out of the box' and suggestion innovations which you and others cant do !! ATB Y.Porat ---------------------- === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass Incredible : one can be more insane than Androcles himself. ['cuz] Awe, awe... ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahaha... AHAHAHAHA.. ahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahanson .... listen YBM, YOU BASIC MORON you just dropped your other shoe since you failed to read the *** FAQ about ahahahaha *** wherein it says: Whenever you see someone commenting about ahaha... AHAHAHA you know right off the bat that you've got a real stupid fool & uptight mooch on your hands worth having big time fun with. .. and now, see, YBM, YOU BASIC MORON, you have down graded yourself into YBM, the YODELING BANAL MISFIT on account of you being a **real stupid fool & uptight mooch** ahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA.... ahahaha... No one could ever convince either Androcles or you of anything true, not even on the most basic issues. Just because you are YBM, a YODELING BANAL MISFIT who could not do it and miserably failed, does not mean that there are no rational people out there who can do it rationally. ahaha... Do you realize YBM, you YODELING BANAL MISFIT, that you sound as if you have grudge against Andro... ahahaha. How many times has Andro pissed on and drowned your YBM, YOUR BRAINLESS MIND?... ahahahaha... AHAHAHA.... Don't come whining to me YBM, YOU BITTER MOOCH. I really can't help you because this is NOT about me. But perhaps you should go to your YBM, YOUR BENEVOLENT MOTHER and cry into her apron, because you are so afraid of Androcles. Anyway, there is no such place where Eistein would have said such things. Provide references so that you both demonstrate what kind of fools you are. YBM, YOU BITTER MOOCH and you YODELING BANAL MISFIT you have shown with YOUR BRAINLESS MIND that you are not even able to detect that the source of what Androcles has referred to is cited in at least 3 posts in this thread.. ahahaha... PS: Come'on YBM, be un homme de bravado et d'intellect and grow some balls to explain (NOT to me) but to Androcles who asked: ::: WHY does Einstein say that ::: the speed from A to B is c-v, ::: the speed from B to A is c+v, ::: and the time each way is the same. === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass -- This message is brought to you by Androcles http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ | Incredible : one can be more insane than Androcles himself. ['cuz] | Awe, awe... ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahaha... AHAHAHAHA.. | ahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahanson | .... listen YBM, YOU BASIC MORON you just dropped your other | shoe since you failed to read the *** FAQ about ahahahaha *** | wherein it says: | Whenever you see someone commenting about ahaha... | AHAHAHA you know right off the bat that you've got a real | stupid fool & uptight mooch on your hands worth having big | time fun with. | .. and now, see, YBM, YOU BASIC MORON, you have down | graded yourself into YBM, the YODELING BANAL MISFIT | on account of you being a **real stupid fool & uptight mooch** | ahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA.... ahahaha... | No one could ever convince either Androcles or you of | anything true, not even on the most basic issues. | Just because you are YBM, a YODELING BANAL MISFIT | who could not do it and miserably failed, does not mean that | there are no rational people out there who can do it rationally. | ahaha... Do you realize YBM, you YODELING BANAL MISFIT, | that you sound as if you have grudge against Andro... ahahaha. | How many times has Andro pissed on and drowned your YBM, | YOUR BRAINLESS MIND?... ahahahaha... AHAHAHA.... | Don't come whining to me YBM, YOU BITTER MOOCH. I really | can't help you because this is NOT about me. But perhaps you | should go to your YBM, YOUR BENEVOLENT MOTHER and | cry into her apron, because you are so afraid of Androcles. | Anyway, there is no such place where Eistein would have said such | things. Provide references so that you both demonstrate what kind | of fools you are. | YBM, YOU BITTER MOOCH and you YODELING BANAL MISFIT | you have shown with YOUR BRAINLESS MIND that you are | not even able to detect that the source of what Androcles has | referred to is cited in at least 3 posts in this thread.. ahahaha... | PS: | Come'on YBM, be un homme de bravado et d'intellect and grow | some balls to explain (NOT to me) but to Androcles who asked: | ::: WHY does Einstein say that | ::: the speed from A to B is c-v, | ::: the speed from B to A is c+v, | ::: and the time each way is the same. | | What's even funnier is that YBM isn't an ED, he's a DVmD and with Martin O'Hogbin or Paul O'Cardinale making up the Irish component (tree and a tird is Irish for three and a third) we have a cascade of dingleberries hanging on dingleberries hanging in the Einstein sphincter. === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass Androcles skrev: What's even still funnier is that you (who swallowed the hook first) are the dingleberry* in the topmost position. --- * Notable dingleberries (upper league of Einstein invokers): Androcles Pentcho Valev Koobee Wublee hanson === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass ... a badly damaged fish, # 5, went on the hook ,named mL aka m_oron L_arge aka m_ilitant_Loon Androcles skrev: mL, the militant Loon, size moron Large, skrev: .... ahahahaha... mL you are fish #5 that went on the hook. But you turn out to be badly damaged goods since you, mL a) do not even know what an Einstein Dingleberry is and you b) do not comprehend that Andros' legit question has nothing to do with any 'invoking ... ahaha.. but c) instead of addressing Androcles' Issue, you make a list ... ahahahaha... AHAHAHA... because you d) you NOT know the answer, or do you? So, back into the still murky relativity waters with you, mL, where you do not have to invoke anything but where you can suck up the sphincter of your idol Albert.., or.... you can redeem yourself and explain (NOT to me) but to Androcles who asked: ::: WHY does Einstein say that ::: the speed from A to B is c-v, ::: the speed from B to A is c+v, ::: and the time each way is the same. Do it, mL, show that you are not damaged goods. === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass ... ahahaha...these are 3 hilariously lovely post of yours, Andro in which you assessed the quality of the mentality of 3 responding posters that went on the hook so far... ahahaha... AHAHAHA Their IQ is on the brilliant level of fish that one sees staring at you on the tables of the fish market. -- Additionally, about an earlier response, special mention ought to be given to master VD moortel who insisted that dry ice was the answer to the issue at hand. Androcles, your question was honest and straight forward, a cut and paste, out of Einstein's 1905 paper that asks: ::: Why does Einstein say that ::: the speed from A to B is c-v, ::: the speed from B to A is c+v, ::: and the time each way is the same. ::: ::: Now, Andro, you have framed the issue properly. ::: Let's see whether you'll get any takers from ::: the realm of the learned relativity physicists. ::: Good luck. ::: hanson Andro, I do hope that some rational responder from the relativity camp will emerge and earnestly explain what you have legitimately asked. I wish you luck with your inquiry and I am out of the thread... ... unless the interns or recruits relay me responses that are so fucking funny that I just can't contain myself..... ahahahaha.... Take care, Andro, hanson ------------------------------------- omit kk57v5 ::::: lhasa/dep -- 04.20.08.00:12 -- delay in kk57v5 ::::: hammerfest -- reykjavik/arr 04.21.08 late. kk57v5 ::::: Pretty Lady -- z'ya in the Polar Bear Lodge kk57v5 ::::: -alpha-charly-tango- ::::: kk57v5 ::::: out === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass -- This message is brought to you by Androcles http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ | ... ahahaha...these are 3 hilariously lovely post of yours, Andro | in which you assessed the quality of the mentality of 3 responding | posters that went on the hook so far... ahahaha... AHAHAHA | Their IQ is on the brilliant level of fish that one sees staring at you | on the tables of the fish market. -- Additionally, about an earlier | response, special mention ought to be given to master VD moortel | who insisted that dry ice was the answer to the issue at hand. | Androcles, your question was honest and straight forward, | a cut and paste, out of Einstein's 1905 paper that asks: | ::: Why does Einstein say that | ::: the speed from A to B is c-v, | ::: the speed from B to A is c+v, | ::: and the time each way is the same. | ::: | ::: Now, Andro, you have framed the issue properly. | ::: Let's see whether you'll get any takers from | ::: the realm of the learned relativity physicists. | ::: Good luck. | ::: hanson | Andro, I do hope that some rational responder from the | relativity camp will emerge and earnestly explain what you | have legitimately asked. I wish you luck with your inquiry | and I am out of the thread... ... unless the interns or recruits | relay me responses that are so fucking funny that I just can't | contain myself..... ahahahaha.... | Take care, Andro, | hanson You mean you don't want to stomp them and then grind your heel in their face? Awww....shame... oh well, take care. | | omit | kk57v5 ::::: lhasa/dep -- 04.20.08.00:12 -- delay in | kk57v5 ::::: hammerfest -- reykjavik/arr 04.21.08 late. | kk57v5 ::::: Pretty Lady -- z'ya in the Polar Bear Lodge | kk57v5 ::::: -alpha-charly-tango- ::::: kk57v5 ::::: out | | | === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass ahahahaha... No, Andro, I don't want to stomp them and then grind my heel in their face ahahahaha... I want the Einstein worshippers to explain to YOUR satisfaction what you have asked for.... But apparently no learned relativist has stepped forward yet to defend and explain what his role model Albert said above.. Only the above mentioned Einstein Dingleberries rasped them selves and cursed me for having agreed with you that you asked a legitimate question... ahahahaha... Phuckwit Duck-Draper is leading the parade with his 2 heart-rendering posts of begging me not to go away... == I LOVE YOU DRAPER!... DON'T DESPAIR!... == Don't worry so much, guys... I'll be around as long as you are funny... and keep on giving me reason to laughs. ahahahahaha.... ahahahahanson === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass -- This message is brought to you by Androcles http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ | you | ahahahaha... No, Andro, I don't want to stomp them and | then grind my heel in their face ahahahaha... I want the | Einstein worshippers to explain to YOUR satisfaction what | you have asked for.... | But apparently no learned relativist has stepped forward | yet to defend and explain what his role model Albert said | above.. Only the above mentioned Einstein Dingleberries | rasped them selves and cursed me for having agreed with | you that you asked a legitimate question... ahahahaha... | Phuckwit Duck-Draper is leading the parade with his 2 | heart-rendering posts of begging me not to go away... | == I LOVE YOU DRAPER!... DON'T DESPAIR!... == | Don't worry so much, guys... I'll be around as long as you | are funny... and keep on giving me reason to laughs. | ahahahahaha.... ahahahahanson | Keep a close eye on the thread HOW THEORETICAL SCIENCE DIED and jostle Blind Poe, the sidekick of the Phuckwitted Duck, along for me. He's been draggng his arse since Saturday. === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass -- This message is brought to you by Androcles http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ | AHAHAHAHA... ahahahaha.. What we have here is not only | ahaha ... What is this noone shit? . It's Olde English, as in High Noone starring Gary Cooper. http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi2041381145/ Ya gotta see the video to appreciate the quality. As my tailor always tells me, never mind the quality, feel the width. 25 seconds into it and out pops the famous corn They just don't care. See, no one cares but Noone cares and he's as high as a kike.. err.. kite. | Just because YOU are | a failure and not able to explain what Andro has asked for, | does not mean that there are no rational relativists out there | that can do so... ahahaha... | High Noone cares. | ahahah... AHAHAHA ... YOU YBM, YOU Basic Moron, YOU do | obviously do care with your silly attack on Andro and me instead | of explaining the issue that Andro raised. --- You exposed yourself | now as #3 on the hook, you being a useless Einstein Dingleberry | that must be thrown back into waters... since you are a very bad | teacher or you defend & or promote relativity as being a | YBM = a Yiddish Belief Machination, because you are Jewish | yourself or you being just one of their Goyim victims that they have | brainwashed into doing their bidding and agenda.... ahahahaha... | So, for your benfit here's an encore of the condition of your two | predecessors that went on the hook, rect-Al and No-Sperm VDM: | ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- | Andro quoting fec-Al tripe from rect-Al in which Al said: | ... that tinyurl contains Einstein's 1905 paper | http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ | wherein one sees Einstein saying: ... we find that | t_B - t_A = r(AB)/(c-v) and t'_A - t_B = r(AB)/(c+v)... | Sadly, rect-Al is so far gone up his own ass, as can be seen | here in his self-portrait on his own website | that a few weeks back Al confused Tom Potter with Tom Roberts: | Andro assessing rect-Al's quacklifications: | I snipped a sentence in your para above . Don't honor rect-Al | with do not approach, armed and dangerous. He & kikes like | him thrive on being perceived as such... ahahaha... and there is | nothing genuine about rect-Al neither except his loud mouth. | | | | | | | | | | === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass -- This message is brought to you by Androcles http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ | ahahahaha... Look at that... Einstein Dingleberry # 3 went on | the hook, with his revealing call sign YBM = Your Basic Moron. | until Andro finds a decent relativist who can explain the issue: Perhaps Your Basic Moron could explain the difference between a closing rate (correct Blind Poe terminology) and a composed velocity so that we could understand it? Is there a difference between a Mozart composed velocity and a Beethoven composed velocity, for example? | Andro quoting fec-Al tripe from rect-Al in which Al said: | ... that tinyurl contains Einstein's 1905 paper | http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ | wherein one sees Einstein saying: ... we find that | t_B - t_A = r(AB)/(c-v) and t'_A - t_B = r(AB)/(c+v)... | Sadly, rect-Al is so far gone up his own ass, as can be seen | here in his self-portrait on his own website | that a few weeks back Al confused Tom Potter with Tom Roberts: | Andro assessing rect-Al's quacklifications: | I snipped a sentence in your para above . Don't honor rect-Al | with do not approach, armed and dangerous. He & kikes like | him thrive on being perceived as such... ahahaha... and there is | nothing genuine about rect-Al neither except his loud mouth. | | | | === Subject: Re: Einstein under Androcles' looking glass -- This message is brought to you by Androcles http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ | Andro quoting fec-Al tripe from rect-Al in which Al said: | ... that tinyurl contains Einstein's 1905 paper | http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ | wherein one sees Einstein saying: ... we find that | t_B - t_A = r(AB)/(c-v) and t'_A - t_B = r(AB)/(c+v)... Yeah, it's here... http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img11.gif Later r(AB) gets shortened to x' by having vt chopped off, the idea being that the whole thing has to agree with Lorentz contraction which is caused by the aether compressing molecules. If you imagine pushing a shopping cart through air to simulate the Earth going around the Sun through aether, air pressure at the front shortens the shopping cart slightly in the direction of travel...even if you stop pushing. Well, that's what Lorentz reckoned and he wasn't a kook or anything, he just didn't know Newton's third law and thought one jaw of a vise could squeeze the juice out of an orange as long as it was moving. | Sadly, rect-Al is so far gone up his own ass, as can be seen | here in his self-portrait on his own website | that a few weeks back Al confused Tom Potter with Tom Roberts: | Andro assessing rect-Al's quacklifications: | I snipped a sentence in your para above . Don't honor rect-Al | with do not approach, armed and dangerous. But I'm serious. His megalomania, that driving urge to impress everyone else with his outstanding intelligence to the point of saying they are all idiots that should snip crap and c+v isn't in the paper nor could it be, coupled with arming himself with a full-kit mirrorless Indian-style tiled brick shithouse as in (that ledge is just the right height to concrete in the porcelain potty) places him on the FIBs ten most wanted kooky kikes list. Believe me, you DON'T want to approach that ledge and see over the top. Aside from that, the plumbing's neat, huh? The chrome waste pipe going into cast iron is a particularly charming feature. My cat did it for him but then he lost any further contracts and went back to chasing mice and balls of yarn. You can see his style clearly in the gracious curve of the cold water feed, done in the Greco-Roman plumbum pipe manner. | He & kikes like | him thrive on being perceived as such... ahahaha... and there is | nothing genuine about rect-Al neither except his loud mouth. | | | === Subject: Re: practical demagnetization Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Àare you meaning that I must expose the magnet to an opposite magnetic field greater than magnet«s field, to erase it? (north pole of the magnet with north pole of the field and south with south) === Subject: Re: practical demagnetization -- This message is brought to you by Androcles http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ Àare you meaning Reversing is easier than demagnetising. http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html See, I put http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html so that you would know what I mean, and you very stupidly ignored it so that you could ask me what I mean. I mean http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/hysteresis/WhatIsHysteresis.html Have you got what I mean now? === Subject: Re: What is Mathematics? Which would be quite instructive if you could just point out a few. Are we to believe that we're not doing mathematics just now? Just as it is indeed good advice not to pay to much attention to what philosophers say about what they're doing in their philosophical moments. Yes, well, er, that rather seems to be the problem now doesn't it since you wouldn't appear to have much of an idea what that is. ~v~~ === Subject: Re: What is Mathematics? A few mathematicians? Surely you can name names yourself. We are not doing mathematics at the moment. Rather, we're engaged in pointless news squabbling. Certainly. If we are to understand philosophy as philosophers practice it we must inspect what philosophers actually do. As with any profession, what those in the business say about what they're doing does not necessarily have any connection to what it is they actually go about doing. My knowledge or lack thereof is not of much general interest. You can find out what mathematicians find important, what considerations they consider germane, and so on, for yourself, by inspecting the literature. Is there some point to this wanton cross-posting? -- Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi) Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, daruber muss man schweigen - Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus === Subject: Re: What is Mathematics? posting-account=UA-6fQkAAADI18fSPOc495gPgW1akxLl MathPlayer 2.10b; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) I don't see any Mathematicians myself, but then, my apartment is kind of small. Are those incompatible? 1. We cannot predict the future, as we cannot correctly answer the question Will your next answer be 'no'?. 2. Science is that which we can predict. 3. Mathematics is science which can be done without the use of human I/ O (input/output) i.e. without the use of our 5 senses. 4. Mathematics which has no I/O is called conventional Mathematics e.g. Predicate Calculus has no I/O. 5. Mathematics which has I/O is called CBL, which adds I/O to Predicate Calculus to axiomatize Metamathematics. Also note that we can predict some future events. For example, we can correctly answer the question Will your second answer from now be 'no'?. So it is a matter of how far in advance we are asked to predict. C-B === Subject: Re: What is Mathematics? How would you know them if you saw them? Only for philosophers. These observations appear somewhat problematic. My own take on mathematics requires exhaustive demonstrations of truth. I see nothing in predicate combinations which precludes this. ~v~~ === Subject: Re: What is Mathematics? posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Anti differentiaition is not intergration. === Subject: Re: What is Mathematics? posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) I am concerned with real math. Applied math seems to be the math that has meaning. I am looking for the meaning of math and recognize that a lot of math is without any real meaning. For instance I do not believe in the complex plane because it is based on an imaginary entity which is the square root of negative one. There are no roots to negatives because there is no such thing as a negative quantity. But there is a single number named i that you can move around and attatch coeffecients to. Keep moving it around. Antidifferentiation as intergration is wrong. Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laureate 2008 === Subject: Re: What is Mathematics? [...] I guess nobody ever owed you any money.... [...] -- wolf k. === Subject: Re: What is Mathematics? What sort of belief is involved here? On any ordinary understanding saying that one does not believe in the complex plane is quite queer. -- Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi) Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, daruber muss man schweigen - Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus === Subject: Re: What is Mathematics? State the Fundemental Theorem of Calculus. Not even once. Bob Kolker === Subject: Re: What is Mathematics? You seem to have missed an obvious approaching infinity quip. === Subject: Re: What is Mathematics? posting-account=i1MELAoAAADwo_-GGwN3NKKSXm8aSdBN SV1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Mathematics is what mathematicians do. I'd prefer something a bit less sociological. What about mathematics is any theoretical activity which can rely on theorem proving ? === Subject: Gravitational Doppler originally posted 7/24/06) Gravitational Doppler ~v~~ We are well aware of gravitational lensing but there is another EM analog associated with Newtonian universal gravitation as well: gravitational doppler. In other words with latency extensions to Newtonian universal gravitation we can explain planetary orbital perihelion anomalies and calculate the Pioneer anomaly in simple, direct terms. To do this we only need to calculate Pioneer's velocity away from the sun as a fraction of the speed of light and recognize that the effect of the sun's gravitation will increase in proportion: Yearly distance traveled by Pioneer = 219,000,000 miles Yearly discrepancy in distance = 8,000 miles Ratio = ~ 27,375 speed of light = 186,289 miles per second Yearly distance traveled by light in one year= 186,289 mi/sec x 1440 min/day x 60 sec/min x 365 days/yr Divided by yearly distance traveled by Pioneer Ratio = ~ 26,825 A difference between the two ratios of 2% (27375 - 26,825 / 27,375) QED ~v~~ In other words Pioneer travels about 7 miles per second away from the sun and in doing so gravitation waves lengthen and their attractive intensity is experienced longer in each wave. (In this respect unlike repulsive waves like EM radiation, the effect of attraction increases in gravitation with longer waves and decreases with shorter waves.) And conversely the attraction of gravitation should decrease as the sun is approached. Clearly the Pioneer Anomaly is caused by what I call gravitational doppler. This mechanical principle of gravitational doppler latency added to Newtonian universal gravitation also underlies planetary perihelion orbital anomalies except in such cases where a roughly constant orbital distance is maintained there is no net change in gravitational attraction: there is only an eccentric locus of force offset to the receding hemisphere of the sun according to its own rotational speed and density distribution. I have only been able to estimate this degree of eccentricity to account for the anomalous perihelion advance of the planet Mercury to a an order of magnitude of 2 however the rotational characteristics of the sun and distribution of mass are extremely complex and difficult to estimate accurately. Lester Zick ~v~~ === Subject: Re: Gravitational Doppler posting-account=UM3jRwkAAADTHFmJ20qgwageu031CeWA 5.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) You can always tell a graduate of the George W Bush school of physics. They just love to torture the subject. === Subject: Re: Gravitational Doppler And your point would be? ~v~~ === Subject: Re: Gravitational Doppler posting-account=UM3jRwkAAADTHFmJ20qgwageu031CeWA 5.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) On the top of your perverted little head. === Subject: Re: Gravitational Doppler posting-account=DdJUaQoAAACBOzKjHG60lbAKPBPEqDEo CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Another brilliant essay which is totally [OT] to c.a.p. What's this now? The 3rd or 4th one this past week. === Subject: Re: Gravitational Doppler Brilliance and intelligence obviously being irrelevant to cap. What can I say? The Jesuits came after me with a vengence only because I called their heresies crapola, and I was forced to cloak myself in the mantle of truth, a disguise the Jesuits were unable to penetrate, until they got bored and went back to what they're more adept at, football and hoops. ~v~~ === Subject: Re: Gravitational Doppler Pioneer Anomaly Solved? http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/home/17846774.html http://meetings.aps.org/Meeting/APR08/Event/83144 Author: Slava G. Turyshev (Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology) The Pioneer 10/11 spacecraft yielded the most precise navigation in deep space to date. However, their radiometric tracking data received from the distances between 20-70 astronomical units from the Sun has consistently indicated the presence of a small, anomalous, Doppler frequency drift. The drift is a blue frequency shift that can be interpreted as a sunward acceleration of ap = (8.74 +/- 1.33) x 10^-10 m/s2 for each particular spacecraft. This signal has become known as the Pioneer anomaly the nature of which remains unexplained. New Pioneer 10 and 11 radio-metric Doppler data recently became available that span a longer interval compared to the data used in previous investigations. A thermal model of the Pioneer vehicles is being developed to study possible contribution of thermal recoil force acting on the two spacecraft. The current status of these investigations will be discussed. This work was carried out at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology under a contract with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. === Subject: Re: Gravitational Doppler Not sure what this is aid of, Sam. I see no date of record below and it's unclear whether the author is claiming an experimental resolution of the problem or just some conjecture. My own calculations are what they are and are based on published data. ???? ~v~~ === Subject: Re: Gravitational Doppler Your calculations are flawed Lester. === Subject: Re: objectoriented physics posting-account=QVXSsAoAAADInKxW1ecoxYDCDd2-79uA AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Safari/525.18,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) What do you feel your you life contributes by being a complete waste of space? How does it feel to know your wasting the very oxygen you breath and everyones time who bothers to read your spew? === Subject: Re: objectoriented physics -- This message is brought to you by Androcles http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ Sure, always ready to oblige anyone with a snip when requested. Anything else I can snip for you, fuckhead? -- This message is brought to you by Androcles http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ === Subject: Re: objectoriented physics posting-account=QVXSsAoAAADInKxW1ecoxYDCDd2-79uA AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Safari/525.18,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Now a message from our sponsors: Stop wetting your pants Androcles, nobody cares what you think.... Back to our regularly scheduled broadcast === Subject: Re: objectoriented physics posting-account=QVXSsAoAAADInKxW1ecoxYDCDd2-79uA AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Safari/525.18,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) What do you feel your you life contributes by being a complete waste of space? How does it feel to know your wasting the very oxygen you breath and everyones time who bothers to read your spew? === Subject: Re: objectoriented physics -- This message is brought to you by Androcles http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ Sure, always ready to oblige anyone with a snip when requested. Anything else I can snip for you, fuckhead? -- This message is brought to you by Androcles http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ === Subject: Re: objectoriented physics posting-account=QVXSsAoAAADInKxW1ecoxYDCDd2-79uA AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Safari/525.18,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) What do you feel your contributing to the world by your existence, besides taking up space and further polluting the atmosphere with carbon dioxide and this group with your spew? === Subject: Re: objectoriented physics Sure, always ready to oblige anyone with a snip when requested. Anything else I can snip for you, fuckhead? -- This message is brought to you by Androcles http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ === Subject: Re: objectoriented physics posting-account=QVXSsAoAAADInKxW1ecoxYDCDd2-79uA AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Safari/525.18,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Glad to hear it... and I am equally pleased to snip any irrelevant comments you make, well comments you make for the most part. Sure anything that would prevent your future propagation of more people like you... === Subject: [ann] Math Accessibility and Design Science News blogs posting-account=xSy3TQoAAACNeqANdohQIOXP-c6kHvlF Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) We are happy to announce the launch of two new blogs from Design Science: Making Math Accessible: Reports the latest news of our efforts to make math understandable to students and others with special needs and disabilities, including assistive technology support, math braille, math textbook accessibility standards, and accessible instructional software. Design Science News: Contains up-to-date information about Design Science products, MathType, MathFlow, and MathPlayer, product tips and tricks, tech support issues, and other company news and events. 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Lary Stucker eMarketing Manager www.dessci.com === Subject: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift posting-account=TbPjIQkAAACzP8U_C0Zcf8kprNJ34-sk Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) An object exhibiting a doppler redshift looks like this: t=1 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | X | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | t=2 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | X | | | | | | | | | | | | | | t=3 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | X | | | | | | | | | | | | | But an object exhibiting expansion redshift looks like this: t=1 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | X | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | t=2 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | X | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | t=3 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | X | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | In t=3, X is farther away from the ends of the graph than it is in t=1, because space expands over time. If we consider X to be light, then it moves at a constant speed. v = d/t If v is constant, d and t need to increase proportionately. But, if v isn't constant, but actually decreases over a few hundred million light years, then t can increase while d doesn't change at all. So if you can visualize X moving at a constant speed on a grid that expands; And then if you can visualize X moving on a constant grid, but decelerating over it; Then you should be able to determine that both graphs (constant_speed/ expanding_grid versus decelerating_speed/constant_grid) are mathematically identical. Here are three steps of an object traveling left to right over a grid, and the object slows down: |X.....| (step 1) |..X...| (step 2) |...X..| (step 3) Now the same three steps, played while you're zooming-in during each step (more space) then you can zoom-in on the grid to give the illusion that its traveling at a constant speed |X.....| | . .X . . . | |. . . X . . | So expansion redshift is an optical illusion, light slowing down in static space. We're seeing the limits of special relativity's speed of light postulate when we observe expansion. This isn't a full model, of course, but it is different that Tired Light models that have been examined in the past. === Subject: Re: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift posting-account=1qbAGAkAAADcUtlizzXUEb5jUjfAdE2y If your motion is in vacuum, with a speed in vacuum,objective speed, absolute speed... I wil try to translate....;; If not, it is one more absurd ennemy of Newton, ennemy of science We will stop to waste our time: revolution is near ! === Subject: Re: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift posting-account=rIfu6QoAAAD5nXG3h9QEE0J3dZn1U45R Gecko/2008032620 Firefox/3.0b5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Excluded by observation. Do a basic literature search some time before you rehash yet another failed theory. === Subject: Re: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift posting-account=TbPjIQkAAACzP8U_C0Zcf8kprNJ34-sk Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) If they've been discounted, its by supernova evidence. How many supernovae make up that body of evidence? === Subject: Re: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift posting-account=QVXSsAoAAADInKxW1ecoxYDCDd2-79uA AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Safari/525.18,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) How many experiments verify your claims? I'll give you a hint.... 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tired light#Criticisms try reading a bit about the theory... === Subject: Re: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift posting-account=TbPjIQkAAACzP8U_C0Zcf8kprNJ34-sk Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) There are a few. Can't answer my question? I thought you were the educated expert, you should at least act your way through the part. === Subject: Re: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift posting-account=QVXSsAoAAADInKxW1ecoxYDCDd2-79uA AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Safari/525.18,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Well, when you understand TSB test come back and we'll see how your tiered light theory holds up... === Subject: Re: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift posting-account=rIfu6QoAAAD5nXG3h9QEE0J3dZn1U45R Gecko/2008032620 Firefox/3.0b5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) How do you know? Have you figured out the Tolman surface brightness test yet? http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology faq.html#TD === Subject: Re: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift posting-account=TbPjIQkAAACzP8U_C0Zcf8kprNJ34-sk Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Working on it. Don't have the guts to answer my question? === Subject: Re: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift [snip crap] [snip rest of crap] 1) Experimental constraints on Special Relativity 2) Experimental constraints on General Relativity http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0311039 3) GPS 4) Lorentz invariance 5) idiot 6) fucking imbecile 7) diversity hire -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2 === Subject: Re: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift posting-account=QVXSsAoAAADInKxW1ecoxYDCDd2-79uA AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Safari/525.18,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) utter piffle Speed of light is a constant, its been proven by numerous experiments. Sorry unless you have some evidence that contradicts the experiments, your wrong. === Subject: Re: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift posting-account=TbPjIQkAAACzP8U_C0Zcf8kprNJ34-sk Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Sure, the evidence is well known. Again, consider this. Here are three steps of an object traveling left to right over a grid, and the object slows down: |X.....| (step 1) |..X...| (step 2) |...X..| (step 3) See how it travels 2 dots from step 1 to step 2; And it travels 1 dot from step 2 to step 3? It's a curve. Now the same three steps, shown as if you were zooming-in during each step: |X.....| | . .X . . . | |. . . X . . | See how it's not a curve, but appears as a straight line? That straight line is a constant velocity. All the evidence that agrees with expansion redshift agrees with that. Now, whether that expansion used to get the appearance of a constant speed is a real phenomenon or a mathematical trick, they are mathematically identical. Therefore, any evidence that agrees with expansion redshift should agree with decelerating light. You say the speed of light is verified by numerous experiments. Are there are experiments that take place over a distance of several thousand million light years? That's the relevant scale. === Subject: Re: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift posting-account=QVXSsAoAAADInKxW1ecoxYDCDd2-79uA AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Safari/525.18,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) So.... A curve is merely a longer distance, it has no effect on the speed of light, light will still be traveling at the same speed, sorry mike the curve has nothing to do with it, all it means is that the distance is longer so light will take longer to reach a given point. Mike the key of SR is that light is constant no matter the frame of reference. This is piffle, light slows down sure, for example they can freeze light and then restart it again. The rest of this is babble... Yes, have you happened to look at all the experiments that have verified SR? Irrelevant, unless you have some specific evidence that points to a flaw in special relativity or some real evidence to the contrary this is all piffle. Yes light slows down for example the speed of light is different in a vacuum... but that speed is the one that SR shows is constant in all frames of reference. Something you have yet to show any evidence to the contrary for. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed of light Read learn... === Subject: Re: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift posting-account=TbPjIQkAAACzP8U_C0Zcf8kprNJ34-sk Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) So, when we plot the same data on an expanding grid, it gives the illusion of a constant velocity, like so: Ok. But maybe it just doesn't work that way over 2000 million light years. I just demonstrated, rather undeniably, that the evidence for expansion corresponds directly to light that decelerates over the megaparsecs. The evidence is well known, just interpreted wrong as expansion rather than deceleration, which I've shown are functionally identical. === Subject: Re: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift posting-account=QVXSsAoAAADInKxW1ecoxYDCDd2-79uA AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Safari/525.18,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) and maybe if cows had wings they could fly? oh wait they don't, and their bone structure is completely wrong... oh well, its fun to speculate.... no you demonstrated nothing, since you have yet to show me some experimental evidence in support of your idea... Or perhaps physicist have left the tiered light idea behind due to better theories coming along.... http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/tiredlit.htm hmmm... so now i have cited a paper that refutes your idea, try citing some papers in support of your idea. cheers === Subject: Re: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift posting-account=TbPjIQkAAACzP8U_C0Zcf8kprNJ34-sk Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) You think the prospect of SR having limits is as absurd as cows flying. I thought scientists weren't supposed to believe their theories. Then apparently you can't read, because all experimental evidence for expansion also supports my idea. That's not a paper. It's a web page. It makes points about light curves that this paper refutes: http://arxiv.org/ftp/astro-ph/papers/0404/0404207.pdf Supernovae Ia (SNe Ia) light curves have been used to prove the universe is expanding. As standard candles, SNe Ia appear to indicate the rate of expansion has increased in the past and is now decreasing. This independent evaluation of SNe Ia light curves demonstrates a Malmquist Type II bias exists in the body of supernova data. If this bias is properly addressed, there is very little budget for time dilation in the light curves of supernova. For most of the 20th century astronomical observations such as galactic evolution, heavy metal abundance, supernovae light curves and the cosmic microwave background have fallen within the constraints of the Einstein - de Sitter Big Bang model. In the last two decades these relationships have become severely strained. The universe is too big and too old; the magnitudes of supernovae are dimming too fast. There are too many radio point sources. The far infrared continuum emissions imply a dusty past that is completely at odds with multi-colored supernovae and quasar spectrums. There is too little anisotropy in the cosmic microwave background to support the observed galaxy super-cluster structure. Heavy metal ratios equal to solar concentrations have been quantified in the most redshifted objects we observe. Something is wrong with this mature theory: It has failed in too many predictions. === Subject: Re: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift posting-account=QVXSsAoAAADInKxW1ecoxYDCDd2-79uA AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Safari/525.18,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) i believe that the evidence supports SR.... thats because I understand the evidence.... do you? no it actually does not.... since you obviously don't have a clue of what Red Shift is and apparently never read the links I posted and completely failed to grok them. And apparently you still fail to comprehend the basic Tolman Surface Brightness test which tiered light theory miserably fails... In fact the link I posted was dealing with you very misunderstanding of red shift as a proof of tiered light but apparently you couldn't grok that.... You failed to grok the site, and i thought i was giving you a simple thing to try to understand. are knocking down is aspects of the big bang. And it fails to get you around the Tolman Surface Brightness Test which you still don't grok. === Subject: Re: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift posting-account=TbPjIQkAAACzP8U_C0Zcf8kprNJ34-sk Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) I don't understand it, but I believe the evidence supports SR too. I think we could also elegantly do away with expansion and the big bang by adding some parameters to SR that dictate decelerating c after some megaparsecs. c = fw If c decreases, then we can make f decrease, and walla, that's red shift. Let me ask you this. In standard quantum mechanics, don't the nuclear forces die out, while the em field never does? And aren't the nuclear forces and the em field supposed to by the same field? It seems they should act similar. Maybe 650 million light years, what we thought was expansion, is actually decelerating (which my graphs have proved expansion and deceleration can look identical) is where the em field begins to die out. Using this instead would solve every problem with the big bang. I might not understand it, but this paper seems to address the issue: http://arxiv.org/ftp/astro-ph/papers/0404/0404207.pdf Figure 14. A natural log function containing both an increasing and a diminishing exponential term with respect to distance is a better follower of the supernovae Ia light curve attenuation factor and Tolman surface brightness tests than relativistic expansion. This is the equation of radiation transfer attenuation of a beam of light between two very distant bright objects, 1/(e^(ax+by)). It addresses the surface brightness because it is the same argument as Wright's paper. I might not grok the paper, but I can read its conclusions, and I happen to be persuaded. === Subject: Re: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Light is expanded as it travels expanding space. === Subject: Re: Explanation of why expansion redshift optical illusion of a different kind of redshift posting-account=rIfu6QoAAAD5nXG3h9QEE0J3dZn1U45R Gecko/2008032620 Firefox/3.0b5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) I have cited that page to him a half dozen times over the last few months now. === Subject: Re: Intelligent Design: Required by Biological Life? posting-account=o197iAoAAACPg-1KzX-Zz_UUwWyMTdoi CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) I quite agree. I can see that given the strange and potent combination of chemicals on the early Earth could quite easily, given enough time molecules such as RNA. When creationists claim that life *cannot* come from liflessness, I often quip that they've never left food in the refrigerator long enough. I am an atheist, but thank you for proving that belief in the supernatural need not require an ignorance of basic natural processes! -Panama Floyd, Atlanta. aa#2015/KoBAAWA! === Subject: Re: Intelligent Design: Required by Biological Life? posting-account=WcSFUgoAAADvkks8-hwSbsthuBJ_cjih Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) It is possible to say that life was designed by evolution. The word intelligence is also not so clearly defined. There is also the argument from poor design which states that organisms have features which are suboptimal. Therefore an intelligent designer did not create these organisms. === Subject: Re: Intelligent Design: Required by Biological Life? You could say that, but no one with more than two functioning brain cells would say that. The word design implies forthought. There is no thought of any kind to evolution. In simple terms you might understand, shit happens. Nonsense. Many very intelligent people have designed things that turned out to be suboptimal. There are many arguements why intelligent design is nonsense, but this isn't one of them. I would suggest you stick to topics you know, such as comic book plot lines. -- Jim Pennino === Subject: Re: Intelligent Design: Required by Biological Life? posting-account=WcSFUgoAAADvkks8-hwSbsthuBJ_cjih Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Behe's irreducibly complex machine argument which is used to support ID is flawed. Parts of a supposedly irreducibly complex machine may have different, but still useful, functions. Evolution produces complex biochemical machines by copying, modifying, and combining proteins previously used for other functions. The systems in Behe's essay is an example. Natural selection favors an organism's parts for different functions. The blood clotting system is also an example of evolution and working researchers see evolution in subcellular systems. === Subject: Re: Intelligent Design: Required by Biological Life? You really ought to stop copying stuff with big words you don't understand and pretending it is your material. -- Jim Pennino === Subject: Re: Intelligent Design: Required by Biological Life? posting-account=WcSFUgoAAADvkks8-hwSbsthuBJ_cjih Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) And you really need to shut the fuck up with your arrogant comments. If you're so smart as you pretend to be then why can't you come up with some better argument. === Subject: Re: Intelligent Design: Required by Biological Life? Better arguement to what? All I've seen you post lately is copied childish twaddle totally off topic to sci.physics. And you wonder why Canada won't let you in; the Canadian immigration officials probably saw your USENET postings. -- Jim Pennino === Subject: #68 calculation of alien life in Cosmos as 10^9 alien advanced life planets (pulsars) ; biophysics trilogy book series: Darwin Evolution replaced by Superdeterminism from Quantum Mechanics posting-account=fsC03QkAAAAwkSNcSEKmlcR-W_HNitEd Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) I remember a very good book some ten years back where the theme was numbers. How many of this and that; how small of this and that and how large of this and that. Where the book was a scaling going from the numbers 0 to large numbers of 10^200 and from 0 to the small numbers of 10^-200. Now the book did not go to 10^200 or 10^-200 but it should go that far. So I made a search on the Internet to see if anyone has a website that deals with scales of numbers and luckily found this one. --- quoting website --- http://home.earthlink.net/~mrob/pub/math/numbers-17.html#le030 5 5[Times]10^30 = 5 nonillion An estimate of the number of prokaryotes (tiny organisms without a nucleus, including bacteria) on the Earth3. Produced by William Whitman and colleagues at the University of Georgia, the estimate includes 26[Times]10^28 organisms within the top 8 meters of the ground, 12[Times]10^28 in the water and oceans, about 80[Times]10^28 on land but below the 8-meter point, and 355[Times]10^28 in the ocean floor. The same scientists measured the mutation rate and estimated that every 20 minutes, somewhere on Earth a new species of bacteria comes into existence. Since prokaryotes comprise the vast majority of all living cells6, 5[Times]10^30 is also the total population of living things on the planet. --- end quoting website --- Now I am not going to argue with any of that information except to say that I suspect the 10^31. Now in a previous post I said that Dirac calculated the number of protons in the Universe is approx 10^80 so the number of electrons in the Universe is also 10^80. Now here is the beauty of the Atom Totality theory since it can independently calculate the number of Coulomb Interactions in order to hold together a plutonium atom and this number is approximately 10^160 Coulomb Interactions. Now, does the reader see any beauty in that? Yes of course. If the Cosmos according to Dirac has 10^80 protons and 10^80 electrons then if we assume the Cosmos is a Atom Totality, and not a Big Bang, then 10^80 multiply 10^80 is 10^160 for the total interaction of electrons to protons. Now do you see the beauty? That Dirac was computing how many protons exists in the Universe and I was computing how many Coulomb Interactions exist in a atom of plutonium and both of us end up with 10^160. Now there are two more important numbers in Cosmology and Astronomy. One number is the total number of galaxies in the Cosmos and is pegged at 10^10 and the second number is how many stars in a galaxy and that number is pegged at 10^11. Now let us debate those two numbers with the Big Bang theory versus the Atom Totality theory. For the Big Bang there is no connection as to why the number of galaxies should be the same number as the number of stars per galaxy. But to the Atom Totality theory that posits the universe grows from Dirac radioactivities and not from some explosion with later condensation of dust clouds. That the Atom Totality theory would say the number of galaxies in the Cosmos is the same number as the number of stars per galaxy. So if the best number for stars per galaxy is 10^11 then the best number for the number of galaxies in the Cosmos is also 10^11. If in the future, we can make those numbers more precise, say we can narrow down that the average number of stars per galaxy is 2 x 10^12 then we can also say that the total number of galaxies in the Universe is this same number. Calculation of Alien Advanced Life in the Universe: In previous posts to this book I said that for the Atom Totality to create life on a star system where our Solar System and Earth is but one example, that it requires alot of maintenance energy from the Nucleus of the Atom Totality to create life and maintain life in a star system than if the Nucleus just let the star system operate on the force of gravity. The force of gravity is 10^40 weaker than the Coulomb force. The amount of DNA/RNA that exists in our Solar System and which is concentrated all here The number of pulsars observed and calculated to exist given their density in space is roughly 10^9. So, now, here we have another coincidence. Gravity compared to Coulomb force is 10^40. The number of DNA/RNA of Earth multiplied by the number of pulsars in the Universe is also 10^40. In the Big Bang theory that would be a remarkable coincidence. In the Atom Totality theory that would be the truth and reality of the world. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies === Subject: #69 number of stars in Universe as 10^22 and number of planets with advanced life 10^15 ; biophysics trilogy book series: Darwin Evolution replaced by Superdeterminism from Quantum Mechanics posting-account=fsC03QkAAAAwkSNcSEKmlcR-W_HNitEd Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Run into a problem here, and afraid my fixing the problem will look like a ad hoc patch. The problem is that the computation of 10^9 pulsars as advanced life in the Cosmos looks too small of a number considering that the Milky Way already has 10^5 --- quoting --- http://www.springerlink.com/content/k6q778l1hp760r74/ We obtain the number of pulsars in our galaxy to be 6.05-2.80 +3.32 [Times] 10^5 --- end quoting --- Noone will quibble with me if I say the Universe has approx 10^10 galaxies and each galaxy has approx 10^11 stars. So the Universe has a total of 10^21 stars. Fine so far. But using the Gravity to Coulomb strength coupling as 10^40 and using the total 10^9 pulsars that are advanced life in the Universe. But why would Milky Way galaxy be something special by having 10^5 advanced civilizations and many galaxies lucky to have a mere 1 advanced civilization. One patch would be to consider if the coupling strength varies in value with respect to location inside an atom. So that the coupling strength maybe 10^40 near Earth but be 10^46 in another spot. But I do not like this patch. One patch that I do like is to review the DNA/RNA count on Earth. Do I really need to count viruses? I think not, so the number falls from 10^31 to 10^30. Do I really need to count one celled primitive organisms? Well I do need to count some bacteria for humanity cannot exist without them. I am thinking of counting only the DNA/RNA of living cells that is required for advanced life such as humanity. And I think that number is about 10^25 rather than 10^30. And of course my critics would cry foul play and ad hoccery. So now, consider the coupling strength at 10^40 and the essential DNA/ RNA for advanced life as 10^25 and that gives 10^15 planets in the Universe that has advanced life. So, now I can reconcile that the Milky Way has 10^5 planets with advanced life and say that the Milky Way is representative of every galaxy in the Universe so that if I multiply 10^5 pulsars by 10^10 galaxies I end up with 10^15 pulsars in the Universe or 10^15 planets with advanced life in the Universe, where pulsar is tantamount to advanced civilization on alien planet. Actually I do not feel bad about patching the above and do not consider it ad hoc, because much of this is first time discovery and alot of errors are made in the heat or height of discovery. And it is good that the number count of biology of DNA/RNA is so very large of a number such as 10^31 if we counted all viruses. I would consider my above as ad hoc, if the number of DNA/RNA was very much lower than 10^31. If that number had been say 10^27 and nowhere higher, then that is lamentable ad hoccery in April bloom. So I think the biology community has a wide berth to work in those numbers of total DNA/RNA and that 10^25 is a reasonable number for the cells that are essential for a planet to have advanced civilization. So if we divide 10^40 by 10^25 we end up with 10^15 planets that have advanced civilization spread uniformily throughout the cosmos and about 10^5 per galaxy. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies === Subject: Re: EchoBay.com & The Pez Candy Dispenser Who sucked up all the ether? -- History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure. (Thurgood Marshall) === Subject: Re: EchoBay.com & The Pez Candy Dispenser Intervening dark energy. === Subject: Re: EchoBay.com & The Pez Candy Dispenser don't bogart that disjoint concept! Dave one side's SUPPOSED to make you shorter / and the other makes you taaaall / but the experiments that Alice did / don't show anything at aaaaaall DeLaney === Subject: Re: EchoBay.com & The Pez Candy Dispenser a handkerchief-sized US flag would have been right useful the day I drove twitrod physio to ether. I had my suspicions, mind. butting (I drove a man to acid/just to watch him fly) -- http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~butting 'Tis the fell work of the international floating-head-missile-zombie- erupting-tentacle cartel. -- John D Salt === Subject: Re: EchoBay.com & The Pez Candy Dispenser The ether bunny. IFYPFY === Subject: Re: God Save GW Bush Not exactly a huge budget. $165M/650,000 = $253 each offender. How much of a new start does $253 provide? === Subject: Re: YES, mechanical perpetual motion generator based on the Coriolis ?effect is going to work (JP) Exactly. If it were a good idea, a little sketch would attract funding. -- The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. -- Bertrand Russel === Subject: Re: YES, mechanical perpetual motion generator based on the Coriolis ?effect is going to work (JP) posting-account=GQsqxgkAAABE8huAmNd_DrpbTQqYimU6 PeoplePal 6.6),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) HTTP/1.1 cache-ntc-ad06.proxy.aol.com[CFC874C8] (Traffic-Server/6.1.5 [uScM]) The torque of a 1 rev/day 1 hp power plant would be: 1 rev/ 6.28 rad X 1 day/revolution X 24hrs/day X 3600sec/hr x 550 ft- lbs/sec = 8 million ft lbs. Calling it the corioli effect destroyed his credibility. Bret Cahill === Subject: Re: Concerning FTL propagators used in Superluminal Communications Systems posting-account=iKOiGAkAAABx1lb68gJ73uxnJNmw0lBr AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1 Safari/525.13,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) But Art Deco can only recognize such because his posts are of the same nature! === Subject: 'EXPELLED' Reviews - Bomb's Away! Mail-To-News-Contact: abuse@dizum.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To begin with I haven't seen this film yet, but apparently a whole lot of other people haven't seen this film yet, either. I've been reading the favorable reviews on the blogs, though there's no need to read Atheists' reviews of the film, since everybody already knows what Atheists think, that 'EXPELLED' is nothing but garbage for brain-dead morons. Some reviews are mixed, even among ID-proponents (most of whom are Chrino- Atheists, closet-Atheists, Christians-in-name-onlyests, etc.) No matter what they think, it appears that 'EXPELLED' bombed, earning barely 3 million by its premiere box office receipts (for the weekend of April 18-20; ref. http://boxoffice.com/), of the Christ', which made $150 million in its first week of release, and grossed $370 million nationwide, with over $600 million worldwide, or to Disney's 'The Chronicles of Narnia' series which thus far has grossed almost three-quarters of a million dollars, with its second film at theatres next month, and the third due out in 2010, or 'The Polar Express', which grossed over 300 million worldwide--all films marketed by LA- based Motive Entertainment. These guys are very big league. So what gives with 'EXPELLED'? Not for want of promotion, or want of controversy, of want of discussion on the blogs, but perhaps for want of something else: paying audiences who are interested in the well-promoted controversial subject matter. Granted, the collapsing economy, falling dollar, and rapidly skyrocketing oil prices could be partially to blame, but not quite enough to account for such an abysmal Expelled opening. And some could add the Pope's in town, plus the Pennsylvania primary, plus BU$H's imminent expansion of the war on terror into Iran and probably the entire Middle East, and Far East. Pandemic third-world famine, skyrocketing costs for luxuries like food, with myriads of other inconveniences plaguing the sinful world. Even if the imminent end of the Empire were to account for half of the audiences staying away from Expelled, the other half steered clear because they're apathetic. They simply do not care, or if they do, they're holding out for a DVD release, or they'll just wait for HBO etc. to pick it up. The other possibility is that the parallels between Jews and ID-proponents in Nazi Germany hit a little too close to home. After all, how many parents tell their children that this is Hell? Not too many, because most parents are oblivious, like the 1999 blockbuster science-fiction action film 'The Matrix' so apocalyptically elucidated. Few want to take the red pill and wake up in Hell. They'd rather take the blue pill and go on believing whatever they want to believe. So let's pretend. Imagine dawning your yarmulke, torah in hand, Berlin c. 1933. You've got a great idea. You want to teach brownshirts, from the Genesis creation account, alongside a copy of Mein Kamph, all the virtues of Hebrew scholarship with Hitler's portrait and the glorious Nazi flag adorning the classroom wall--okay? It's only fair after all. The Chamber of Culture, Department of Film, Goebbels himself suggests producing a film about it. We'll call it 'EXPELLED: No Jews Allowed'. It's a box office blockbuster, and all proceeds help to fund the war on terror. That's the nice-guy approach. Atheists are nice little men who can be reasoned with, bargained with and negotiated with. Compromise worked wonders for Jews in Nazi Germany, so it'll have the same outcome for Theists in Atheist America c. 2008. Remember, the Nazis never mocked the Jews then, and Atheists never mock the Theists now. They won't mock our movie either. But here in the real world, which is Hell for the living and Hell for the dead, any mention of God, or Gods, Intelligent Designer, in the Atheists' classrooms is strictly forbidden. Until the SCOTUS overturns the draconian 1947 decision which **ESTABLISHED** Atheism as America's official State religion [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everson_v._Board_of_Education], they'll never tolerate non-Atheist views in their classrooms or courtrooms. The only way it will happen is through global Armageddon completely shutting down their Matrix of illusion, requiring intercontinental nuclear and biological warfare to the four corners of the earth. That's how this change occurs. If the producers of 'EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed' want to negotiate with those nice little men in Washington, D.C, all I can say is good luck. I believe war is the only proven method for bargaining with Atheists. At least Theist parents should your children never to salute or pledge allegiance to America's Atheist flag, and never stand for or sing with the Atheist national anthem, The Star Spangled Banner. That is the least you can do. And who knows, 'EXPELLED' could become something of a cult classic? I never saw 'The Matrix' at the theatre, but on DVD, and a couple of times on HBO, and later could turn into a Ben Stein hosted gameshow on GSN? Could do better in the long-run, but time is running out, seeing that Friday, December 21st 2012, is *1704* days away and counting... Armageddon Cometh, Daniel Joseph Min http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQA/AwUBSAzmFZljD7YrHM/nEQLu0wCgn5RZyVEKTjI2mRxxf7yJqAfV74IAnRRv pen6icgS+nCJ65A5bz1uEb5t =zOQd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- === Subject: Re: Conservation of Energy Law Invalidates Einstein (is Copyrighted.) posting-account=bSICGQkAAADSbkxAJ5uMxFegr4rp0Qig I agree with your first equation for total (not kinetic) energy. I agree with your statement that mass is constant. I disagree with your statement that mass is variable (see sentence above). I agree that KE depends on velocity. I disagree that this somehow implies conservation of energy is violated. Is that clearer? - Randy === Subject: Re: Conservation of Energy Law Invalidates Einstein (is Copyrighted.) posting-account=nPH_PQkAAACneDKT6RXopPWArC2We4Rq AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1 Safari/525.13,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Since NoEinstein wants comments on the physics (or at least that's what he says he wants), let's move down to the next major error. No, it doesn't. Moreover, neither Coriolis nor Einstein ever claimed that KE increases exponentially with velocity increase. Perhaps you are confused about the term increase exponentially. Perhaps you think that anything that increases faster than a linear increase is an exponential increase. Actually, no. One has nothing to do with the other. E=mc^2 has *nothing* to do with energy associated with motion. In fact, just the opposite. It is the energy of a body completely at rest. Moreover, Einstein explicitly showed that kinetic energy does NOT grow as the square of the velocity. And in fact, in complete accordance with relativity, real objects are accelerated in real machines with a 1% increase in velocity that doubles their kinetic energy. Such an increases in KE is neither the square of the velocity nor an exponential increase. On the other hand, such a measured increase is inconsistent with NoEinstein's formula as well. Sorry, no. That is not where the derivation comes from. Moreover, the KE formula has been tested in thousands of applications that have absolutely nothing to do with the deformations of receiving structures or materials. Though the initial measurement may have been suggestive of the rule, it was those thousands of later applications with much higher precision and much broader diversity that led to the acceptance of the validity of the KE formula. === Subject: Re: Conservation of Energy Law Invalidates Einstein (is Copyrighted.) While noeinsteins comments about deformations and the derivation of the KE formula are off the point historically, they are also wrong in practice for the very instance he mentions. In part of my career I designed impact testing equipment. All of the traditional formulas were well tested every day using different measuring methods, and different heights and masses. Of course, it all worked out just fine and would not have if noeinstein was correct but he will as usual ignore all the facts and just continue to bluster and try to misdirect. If he is indeed some sort of architect, then the values he uses for designs were determined on equipment which he claims uses the wrong formulas and the structures would not survive. === Subject: Re: Conservation of Energy Law Invalidates Einstein (is Copyrighted.) posting-account=nPH_PQkAAACneDKT6RXopPWArC2We4Rq AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1 Safari/525.13,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Yes, I find it amusing, too, especially when you contradict yourself in paragraph 4 of many. Now, are you content to leave this obvious mistake out there for the world to see and give people the impression that you still believe it, or do you want to try to correct it and move on? PD === Subject: Chemmol.com is a USA Web Services Company with primary focus on creating a web-based, searchable Molecular Structure Database for you. posting-account=lDgTkgoAAADdKkovQiRqQU6E0dsS0Xwr Gecko/2008040412 Firefox/3.0pre (Swiftfox),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Chemmol.com is a USA Web Services Company with primary focus on creating a web-based, searchable Molecular Structure Database for you. The searchable feature allows chemists everywhere to navigate through chemicals powered by our ChemMol.com search engine, using structural similarity comparison, to generate Structure-Activity-Relationship based purchase list. Soon, you may be surprised by the boost of product inquiry and sales because of this enabling capability. Some suppliers long longing for the searchable database have been reluctant to move forward because of prohibitory installation cost. This is precisely why we are approaching you to offer this perhaps all- time best deal. We will not bundle unnecessary components to make the package expensive. We help to meet the only basic need: convert your existing steady PDF listing into lively and communicative structures loved by every chemist. Searchable capability is rapidly becoming an industrial norm that no one wants to be left out. ChemMol understands the trend and your concerns, and will help you overcome technical and cost hurdle to get ahead of the game. Contact us today for more details. In thanking your interest, Marketing http://www.ChemMol.com === Subject: Why does Eric Gisse spend so much time on me ? Why do you spend so much time on me ? after all.. How many billions of web pages are there ? 16 ? Usenet spits out 4 tera bytes per day. How many TV channels do you have ? 800 ? How big is your campus library system ? your local book store ? Do you have any face-to-face friends ? a wife ? a job ? I count 136 people ( Nyms ) who've made 7+ posts to Sci.Physics in the last 18.5 days.. yet it's me you talk to. Ignoring all but the most recent 33 posts per Nym.. these Nyms got the most expo$ure ( in order ): .89¥[Thorn] 1 Surfer .844 Jerry .797 Tom_Roberts .707 Sanny .628 wbbrdr_gmail .585 none .521 uri .52 Tom_Potter .468 George_Hammond .456 nuny_bid_nes .447 Michael_Helland .447 Pmb .436 schoenfeld_one .433 David_A_Smith .432 Jeff.89öÓRelf .427 Paul_Mays .404 Henry .404 jimp_specsol .403 NoEinstein .399 Sam_Wormley .397 Dono .396 Darwin123 .393 Tom .39 Dr_Henri .385 Jamie_Morken .381 Eric_Gisse .381 MitchNobel .369 PD .89¥ÿ. For for Sci.Physics, today, the full list looks like this: .89¥[Thorn] www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/_Phy_R.TXT www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/_Phy_R_TXT.PNG .89¥ÿ. The number before each Nym is its XRank ( like PageRank.89.b3¢ ), for more on that, see .89¥[Thorn] www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/ .89¥ÿ. === Subject: Re: Why does Eric Gisse spend so much time on me ? posting-account=rIfu6QoAAAD5nXG3h9QEE0J3dZn1U45R Gecko/2008032620 Firefox/3.0b5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) I don't. I rarely read what you have to say, much less respond. This will be the first time in awhile I actually read something you say and respond. www.mininova.org is my TV. Fix your shit, relf. I spend more time talking to crackpotter than you. === Subject: Eric Gisse's reading list. I asked why you were wasting your time on me, nowhere did I say you spent .89öÓall.89öÓ your time on me. I'd say these are the people you've been reading, in order: .89¥[Thorn] 1 Tom_Potter .785 schoenfeld_one .703 BradGuth .607 NoEinstein .558 Jan_Panteltje .556 Jeff.89öÓRelf .444 Sam_Wormley .424 Sue .402 Pmb .384 Y_Porat .345 Timo_Nieminen .325 Koobee_Wublee .321 Surfer .312 Ivan_P .282 john .273 MitchNobel .273 Thomas_Heger .273 Edward_Green .89¥ÿ. === Subject: Re: Why does Eric Gisse spend so much time on me ? posting-account=bSICGQkAAADSbkxAJ5uMxFegr4rp0Qig How many seconds per day do you estimate that to be? If your newsreader is reporting that you are the only person Eric is responding to, you have a serious defect in your counting algorithm. - Randy === Subject: Re: Why does Eric Gisse spend so much time on me ? Software is OK, wetware is decomposed. Diversity - skimming the top 10% from the bottom 10% -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2 === Subject: William James Sidis was no Einstein. You spoke of me thusly: .89¥[Thorn] [ His ] Software is OK, wetware is decomposed. Diversity - skimming the top 10% from the bottom 10% .89¥ÿ. Who's the top 10 percent ? I'm White, my genealogy goes back 400 years on the Relf line. All traceable lines go back to the pre-U.S. era; and, before that, Briton, Holland, Germany and Switzerland. Hawking said I.Q. tests were silly. Einstein had no comment on the matter. I say long-term intelligence matters more than a one hour test. Quoting WikiPedia: .89¥[Thorn] Abraham Sperling, director of New York City's Aptitude Testing Institute, said after Sidis' death that, according to his calculations, Sidis .89¥ù easily had an IQ between 250 and 300 .89¥ú and that there was no evidence that his intellect had declined in adulthood. .89¥ÿ. -- http://WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/William_James_Sidis#Remembrances William James Sidis was no Einstein. === Subject: Can't you find something more worthy of your time ? I asked Gisse: .89¥[Thorn] Why do you spend so much time on me ? after all.. .89¥ÿ. And you replied: .89¥[Thorn] How many seconds per day do you estimate that to be ? .89¥ÿ. About 5 seconds.. but that's 5 seconds too many, if you ask me. Can't you find something more worthy of your time ? === Subject: Re: Quantum Gravity 246.0: Italians Answer: Can Something Have Physical Relevance or Exist Without Conveying Information? Again you miss the point, and you have already self-proved it. Can Something Have Physical Relevance or Exist Without Conveying Information? Yes, any post by (arguably, a silent k) kOsher Doctorow === Subject: Re: Quantum Gravity 246.0: Italians Answer: Can Something Have Physical Relevance or Exist Without Conveying Information? posting-account=_6PYigoAAABYhGMfjXjmIZKOYzaE2l6a .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) You're the one who misses the point, since something can't have physical relevance or exist without meaningful information (knowledge) being involved, including arguably a MovOn.Org type pre-primary or pre- election smear. The transmission of the message to some intended person or entity may or may not occur, and focusing on that transmission and its external appearance or form is the mistake that engineers and physicists who imitate them have made. You need a course in reading comprehension, even reading in quantitative subjects. Osher Doctorow === Subject: Re: Quantum Gravity 246.0: Italians Answer: Can Something Have Physical Relevance or Exist Without Conveying Information? posting-account=_6PYigoAAABYhGMfjXjmIZKOYzaE2l6a .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) [Reply by me, Osher Doctorow:] The loonies have probably been brought out by tomorrow's (Tuesday's) Pennsylvania Primary between loony Obama and loony Hillary, two non- entities who have not the faintest solution to anything, but plenty of criticism of other people trying to solve things. With a pseudonym like Krieg Suden, who has no profile, my guess is that he's an Obama supporter, since Hillary at least is not an almost total newbie in politics or life, while Obama is supported by crowds of people because of his race and his being too new to have any profile. Osher Doctorow === Subject: Re: Idiot savants with non-overlapping esoteric talents. posting-account=8k9z_QoAAABfJ6zct3wDB2k3FKfRerU2 5.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) In college I was most fortunate to have attended lectures by R. Buckminster Fuller, the inventor of the geodesic dome. His mind was like a continuously playing record. When you entered his lecture, he begins by speaking what he happens to be thinking at the moment. Fuller was a recognized genius, but his brain didn't customize his thoughts for anyone. Jeff is much like that. He is probably a genius but with a problem focusing on apt subjects. .81 NoEinstein .81 === Subject: Re: Idiot savants with non-overlapping esoteric talents. Like idiot savants, most have special talents which aren't recognizable to the general public. R. Buckminster Fuller's work was very public, mine much less so. For example, PMB ( a.k.a. Peter Brown in Sci.Physics.Relativity ) shows lots of complex equations, but most here would have to spend many hours studying it before they could offer an honest / detailed critique of his work. Likewise.. even if you understood how OLE2, VC++ 8.0, WinVista, and VBA ( Visual Basic for Appications ) automate Visual Studio 2005, you still might have to put in several days of hard study before you could understand the following code: .89¥[Thorn] #undef _DEBUG #define UNICODE #define _WIN32_WINNT 0x0501 #pragma warning( disable: 4189 4244 4305 4430 4508 4554 4701 4702 4706 4709 4996 ) #define Loop( L ) int J = -1, LLL = L; while ( ++J < LLL ) #define Zero( X ) memset( & ( X ), 0, sizeof( X ) ) typedef char * __LnP ; typedef wchar_t * LnP ; const int SzPtr = sizeof __LnP ; #define Rel( X ) #define FrV( X ) ( X.vt== VT_DISPATCH ? 0 : VariantClear( & X ), memset( & X, 0, sizeof X ) ) typedef IDispatch * OleT ; VARIANT OleRV, Var, BSaveAll_VS ; Call.89¥Ï( int IdenType, OleT pDisp , wchar_t * ptName, int Cnt_Comming, __LnP SP ) { HRESULT rv ; FrV( OleRV ); if ( ! pDisp || short( pDisp ) == -1 ) return ; IID_NULL, & ptName, 1, LOCALE_USER_DEFAULT, & IdenID ); if ( FAILED( rv ) ) { FrV( OleRV ); return ; } VARIANT * B_Args = new VARIANT [ Cnt_Comming + 1 ] , * P_Args = B_Args + Cnt_Comming ; Loop( Cnt_Comming ) * -- P_Args = * ( VARIANT * ) SP, SP += sizeof VARIANT ; ParamList.cArgs = Cnt_Comming, ParamList.rgvarg = B_Args; if ( IdenType & DISPATCH_PROPERTYPUT ) { ParamList.cNamedArgs = 1 ; DISPID dispidNamed = DISPID_PROPERTYPUT ; ParamList.rgdispidNamedArgs = & dispidNamed ; } IdenID, IID_NULL, LOCALE_SYSTEM_DEFAULT , IdenType, & ParamList, & OleRV, 0, 0 ); delete [] B_Args; if ( rv < 0 || OleRV.vt <= 1 || OleRV.vt == VT_ERROR ) FrV( OleRV ); } Call_Ole.89¥Ï( OleT X, LnP Y, int Z, ... ) { Zero( OleRV ); Call.89¥Ï( DISPATCH_METHOD, X,Y,Z, __LnP( & Z ) + SzPtr ); FrV( Var ); } int __stdcall WinMain( HINSTANCE, HINSTANCE, char*, int ) { CoInitialize( 0 ); IUnknown * _VS = 0 ; OleT VS = 0 ; GetActiveObject( clsid, 0, ( IUnknown * * ) & _VS ); BSaveAll_VS.vt = VT_BSTR ; BSaveAll_VS.bstrVal = SysAllocString( LFile.SaveAll ); Call_Ole.89¥Ï( VS, LExecuteCommand, 1, BSaveAll_VS ); Rel( VS ), Rel( _VS ); } .89¥ÿ. === Subject: Re: Idiot savants with non-overlapping esoteric talents. Actually Art Deco understands, and does, his job very well. Art works out of the caliballista.org boiler-room, which is operated by a few Jewish bigots, and used to intimidate and smear people, that the bigots target. Art's job is not to engage in rational, intelligent, moral discussions to arrive at fundamental truths, but his job is to smear folks, and obscure threads on issues that his handlers don't want to have the public exposed to. Art does his job in several ways. 1. He pisses out posters, and gets them off the issue, and into a pissing war. 2. He tries to link his victims with negative images, negative ideas, and negative people. 3. He appends alt.usenet.kook to threads he wants to disrupt in order to instigate a flame war between the poster, the caliballista, boiler-rook bigots, and the young boys and sociopaths who hang out in alt.usenet.kook. Art does a pretty good job directing the activities of a few race/religion motivated bigots, and in exploiting inferiority complexes in a few sociopaths and young boys, who tend to boost their egos by demeaning folks. ( Note that Art also exploits the inferiority complexes of young boys and sociopaths in the serious newsgroups, and gets some of them to append alt.usenet.kook to posts. The Republican Party, and now the Clinton gang use the same tactics used by the calaballista.org race motivated bigots, and the tactic must work, as they spend millions of dollars trying to divert the attention of people from facts and details. I dare say that if Obama becomes president, the masses will begin to turn aggressively on the bigots, media, and politicians who use smear as a weapon to promote their agenda, which could not be promote successfully using logic, intelligence and facts. Hopefully, when the public gets sick of the smear tactics, laws will be passed that make it easy for folks smeared by Institutionalized Bigotry to collect damages from the individuals and organization that effected the smears. The definition of bigot is: A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own. To read the stories of a few of the many folks who have been victims of Institutionalized bigotry visit the web site below. -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: Re: Idiot savants with non-overlapping esoteric talents. posting-account=8k9z_QoAAABfJ6zct3wDB2k3FKfRerU2 5.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Ñ NoEinstein Ñ === Subject: Re: Idiot savants with non-overlapping esoteric talents. Considering that - NoEinstein - is making Einstein look good, and considering that he is opposed to Obama, the only candidate for president that is not totally controlled by the Jewish lobby, one has to wonder if - NoEinstein - is a shill, working for the Einstein Cult, and the War-for-Profit Gang. -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: World War II was about who controlled what land. Caliballista.ORG ( now defunct ) wasn't .89¥[Thorn] operated by a few Jewish bigots .89¥ÿ. I don't care about Jews one way or the other; yet I've won awards each month since January ( and before ).. not you. World War II was about who controlled what land; e.g. the Suez Canal and the oil fields. Jewish bogeymen had nothing to do with it. Quoting WikiPedia: .89¥[Thorn] Perhaps as early as the 12th Dynasty, Pharaoh Senusret III ( 1,878 BC - 1,839 BC ) may have had a west-east river dug through the Wadi Tumilat, joining the River Nile with the Red Sea ( which, in ancient times, reached north to the Bitter Lakes ). This allowed direct naval trade with Punt, and, indirectly, linked the Red Sea and the Mediterranean. The reliefs of the Punt expedition under Hatshepsut depict sea-going vessels carrying the expeditionary force returning from Punt. This has given rise to the theory that, at the time, a navigable link existed between the Red Sea and the Nile. Evidence indicates its existence by the 13th century BC during the time of Ramesses II .89¥ÿ. === Subject: Re: World War II was about who controlled what land. The following web site graphically show what Jews were doing to Germans before Germany invaded Poland, and gave Churchill his excuse to declare war on the German people. http://judicial-inc.biz/Broomberg.htm The following two speeches by a famous German give some indication of the concerns of the German people during the run up to WWII, and as can be seen, their stand against the Class Wars instigators and terrorists in Spain and Poland, lead to WWII. SPEECH OF APRIL 12, 1922 While now in Soviet Russia the millions are ruined and are dying, Chicherin - and with him a staff of over 200 Soviet Jews - travels by express train through Europe, visits the cabarets, watches naked dancers perform for his pleasure, lives in the finest hotels, and does himself better than the millions whom once you thought you must fight as 'bourgeois.' The 400 Soviet Commissars of Jewish nationality - they do not suffer; the thousands upon thousands of sub-Commissars -they do not suffer. No! all the treasures which the 'proletarian' in his madness took from the 'bourgeoise' in order to fight so-called capitalism - they have all gone into their hands. SPEECH OF JULY 28, 1922 More and more so to influence the masses that he persuaded those of the Right that the faults of the Left were the faults of the German workman, and similarly he made it appear to those of the Left that the faults of the Right were simply the faults of the so-called 'Bourgeois,' and neither side noticed that on both sides the faults were the result of a scheme planned by alien devilish agitators. And only so is it possible to explain how this dirty joke of world history could come to be that Stock Exchange Jews should become the leaders of a Workers Movement. It is a gigantic fraud: world history has seldom seen its like. -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9C?= www.Caballista.ORG =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9D?= has been offline for 1.5 months now. Libel is already a civil ( but not criminal ) offence; so ??? www.Caballista.ORG ??? has been offline for 1.5 months now for abusing our legal names sans permission. Usenet is far less censored than that, of course. I won ??? Kook of the Month ??? last January, ??? Clueless Newbie ??? in February and ??? Goofy-Assed Baboon ??? last month ( March ). === Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=E2=3Fo_www.Caballista.ORG_=E2=3F=9D_has_been_offl?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ine_for_1.5_months_now.?= As can be seen by reviewing their posts, Art Deco and the boiler-room bigots at Caballista.ORG seemed to have picked the name because they wanted an association with the word kabbalah, and they used to banter Have a Tequila back and forth because of its' similarity to Havah Nagila and Hatikvah. Considering that they have been exposed as the race/religion motivated bigots that they are, it appears that Art Deco and the racist bigots will have to find other ways to implement their bigotry. Hopefully, in the near future, there will be class action law suits, that establishes connections between certain individuals and certain organizations and religions that slander folks, and go after their assets like some people went after the assets of the Catholic Church because of the actions of a few homosexual Priests. I suggest that a few homosexual Priests/politicians/teachers/etc. are a nominal problem for society, compared to race-based Institutionalized Bigotry, and the systematic instigation of conflict and war by a race/religion. -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: A 4 thousand year old battle. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a Jew. My family is very Mormon, so I know my family history quite well; no Jews have been found, going back hundreds of years. I keep getting the impression that you're re-living some battle you once had with a Jew, or someone you thought was a Jew. If I'm right, I wish you'd tell us more about that. Taxes and regulations are good for society because it moderates society's appetite, improving its health. Taxes and regulations are the .89¥[Thorn] rent .89¥ÿ one has to pay if one wishes to live in a civilized society. Wars are about control of prime real estate, not religion. The only Lord that matters is the land Lord ( e.g. the gov. ). Going up a level, every land Lord finds he's a tenant as well. WWII was about the Suez Canal, a 4 thousand year old battle, and the crude oil in the Middle East. === Subject: Re: Idiot savants with non-overlapping esoteric talents. -- What's your talent? Endlessly posting offtopic stupidity to -- sci.physics? It was bad enough that Eric Gisse dragged Art Deco, and the other race/religion motivated bigots working out of the caliballista.org boiler-room into sci.physics, but it is worse to see him coming to the bigots aid, when a sci.physics regular points out what Art Deco is like. Eric Gisse's attitude reminds me of the song phrase: If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with.. Considering that Gisse doesn't love the folks in sci.physics, and he drags the scum in from AUK to pollute the newsgroup, and considering that Birds of the feather.., one would think that Gisse would migrate to AUK and be with the one he loves. -- Tom Potter http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos === Subject: Re: A wealth of scientific evidence proves the existence of God, but not even a shred of evidence suggests the non-existence of God (JP) On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:36:04 -0700, in alt.atheism I'd start with his first mistaken claim: Genetic code displays all attributes of intelligent codes and according to the Shannon's Theory of Communication all codes are versions of languages. All languages are formed by intelligent beings. That assertion is completely unsupported by the evidence, both in the sense of 'intelligent codes' and in the attempt to apply Shanno. === Subject: Re: A wealth of scientific evidence proves the existence of God, but not even a shred of evidence suggests the non-existence of God (JP) Since you claim to be a 'professional scientist' tell us what discipline you are doing scientific research in. === Subject: Re: A wealth of scientific evidence proves the existence of God, but not even a shred of evidence suggests the non-existence of God (JP) I don't believe you. Error No. 1, assuming the consequent: ' Theorem: God does exist. ' You're assuming the truth of that which you claim to prove. Equivocation on the use of the word 'code': ' Basis propositions: (1) Genetic code displays all attributes of intelligent codes and according to the Shannon's Theory of Communication all codes are versions of languages. All languages are formed by intelligent beings.' Assuming the consequent: ' (2) The creation of a single language of genetic programming which would be capable to program and to express with genetic codes all attributes for the huge number and variety of living creatures that populate the Earth, required the work of either superior being of a supernatural knowledge, power, and efficiency of God, or a multitude of unanimously cooperating with each other human- like intelligent beings of capabilities and efficiencies similar to these of humans.' You're just assuming that what you want to prove is immediately obvious. Assuming the consequent (again): ' (3) God does NOT exist, or does exist. The use by God of a single and always the same coherent language of genetic programming for all creatures that populate the Earth eliminates completely the possibility that God does NOT exist.' You're just assuming without evidence, that God uses the genetic code to programme creatures. My comments in square brackets: ' (3) God does NOT exist, or does exist. The use by God of a single and always the same coherent language of genetic programming for all creatures that populate the Earth eliminates completely the possibility that God does NOT exist. Proof: (1) The first basis proposition [the one that equivocated on the word 'code'] is to be transformed with the use of tautological form of the method known under the name of displays all attributes of intelligent codes, [this assertion remains unproved] while the assertion q says according to the Shannon's Theory of Communication all codes are versions of languages, in turn the assertion r states all languages are formed by intelligent beings. The transformation of these propositions implies the conclusion that the genetic code was formed by an intelligent being. [the same equivocation on the word 'code'] (2) Accepting this previous conclusion [there is no valid previous conclusion yet] for an assertion in the next phase of inference, and using the method of disjunctive syllogism, the tautological form of which can be written as: [(p || single, coherent 'language of genetic programming' which appears in a huge number of creatures that populate the Earth must be formed by a single superior being with a supernatural [where did 'supernatural' come from? Why can't your proposed designer be a natural force?] knowledge, power, and efficiency of God. (3) The last couple of propositions allows us to derive the final conclusion [no they don't, they are just unproved assertions] with method called the disjunctive syllogism, the In this form the assertion p says God does NOT exist, while assertion q states God does exist. Thus the final conclusion states God does exist! Conclusion: The above inference chain unambiguously and conclusively proves the truth of the theorem that God does exist. [bullshit]' ' It is also worth to mention about the validity of the above proof. Because this proof utilizes exclusively tautological forms of subsequent methods, it remains valid for all values of variables it uses. Thus practically it is errorproof.' Gobbledygook! What is meant by 'tautological forms of subsequent methods'? Even if the logic were valid, the conclusion is not necessarily sound because the premises are just unfounded assertions based on equivocation of terms and begging the question. I suspect he's lying. === Subject: Re: A wealth of scientific evidence proves the existence of God, but not even a shred of evidence suggests the non-existence of God (JP) posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) There is no before creation. Mitch Raemsch === Subject: Re: A wealth of scientific evidence proves the existence of God, but not even a shred of evidence suggests the non-existence of God (JP) My cat's breath smells like cat-food. === Subject: Re: A wealth of scientific evidence proves the existence of God, but not even a shred of evidence suggests the non-existence of God (JP) There is no creation. === Subject: A Letter To Churchill College, Cambridge posting-account=ee2apQoAAABJNMlLTFasCJw9Nfo9FmYk Gecko/20020924 AOL/7.0,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) HTTP/1.1 cache-ntc-ac08.proxy.aol.com[CFC87489] (Traffic-Server/6.1.5 [uScM]) COLLEGE LECTURESHIP IN MATHEMATICS The following is the letter I sent to its senior member: My name is Mehran Basti and I am graduate of your college (Ph.D 1979). Well, since my Ph.D. degree I have been engaged in classical mathematics. better get to know me and my science). http://mathforum.org/kb/forum.jspa?forumID=228 See my files on My New Math (my research statement is there) or My New Energy Formula. I will enclose my resume and I am available for seminars. Yes, this has been my post Ph.D. life (about 28 years now). Although I am unemployed (since July 2005) WITH NO REFERENCES, I will not apply for your advertised math position, unless you are very interested in my application! I doubt they ever accept me for a position there. One reason is that math at Cambridge is highly abstract and heavily proof related (as far as I remember in pure math department and similarly at Berkeley USA). The other reason is that I have different kind of math, which is not at all, the taste of current leaders (and I consider myself at the rank of the past masters). So definitely most of the abstract math practiced at Cambridge, MIT and similar places are outdated and must be dismantled (Thus I view their leaders as redundant professors). You can see once every century possibly your graduates (like myself) may wish to revolutionize math. This is in fact mathematics of the future centuries. I will be interested to see if your colleagues have any questions relative to my new science. They are as usual silent like MIT, Harvard etc. I also invite you to consider helping me to write and publish my lecture notes (2000 pages with software, subject to some conditions). I had harsh criticism of the issues of Fermat Last Theorem (noted in the sci math. Newsgroup, I am positive and serious about the issues raised). I invite your university to seriously investigate the issue (I understand it has political and scientific ramifications). I know that we have a lot of differences both from mathematics standpoint as well as behavior of math people in issues like FLT (bearing in mind A. Wiles also graduated from the same department 1979). Sorry for my viewpoints of Cambridge University since I am one of its graduates, but once a revolution happens in science, so as behaviors, textbooks and fields are subject to review. I will place this letter on sci.math newsgroup for public record. Dr.Mehran Basti Ph.D. Churchill College, Cambridge, 1979 === Subject: Re: A Letter To Churchill College, Cambridge in mathematics that we recently advertised. We are delighted to inform you that we are entirely willing to accede to your wishes in not offering you the post, Yours faithfully, Churchill College. === Subject: Re: Discussion of Fields Expires: 60 days You appear to be stuck on the bottom rung of physics, just like Draper and Andersen, etc. What a load of crap. 'Spacetime' and 'Worldlines' are merely a nonsensical product of Einstein's insistance that light does not change speed when it free falls in a gravity gradient. Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T) www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm ....specialising in teaching physics to engineers and mathematicians.... === Subject: Re: Discussion of Fields Expires: 60 days That's one way...a model is developed from observations and then tested with maths.....but it is not applicable in this instance. The maths are already known but the model is not. Any physical model that IS conceived will be tested against the known maths.. You are backward, draper. Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T) www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm ....specialising in teaching physics to engineers and mathematicians.... === Subject: Re: Discussion of Fields posting-account=nPH_PQkAAACneDKT6RXopPWArC2We4Rq AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1 Safari/525.13,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Sorry, that ain't science. Don't know which of your fake degrees taught you this way, but you ought to get your fake money back. Pity you don't like the facts, Rabbidge. Please proceed with your buggering hums. It's highly entertaining. === Subject: Re: Discussion of Fields [snip words] I predicted that the experiment is working in one direction but not in the other (and why). To figuere out the effect I would need some kind of tool to do complex geometry. Its possible but quite difficult. So I'm not shure being able to provide that calculations. Or maybe I'm just too lazy.. Thomas Heger === Subject: Re: Discussion of Fields NewsFleX homepage: http://panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/ and ftp download ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/linux/system/news/readers/ On a sunny day (Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:51:17 +1000) it happened Timo A. The electron is the mechanism. Sounds a bit like the medium is the message... but really, in electronics all I play with are electrons. Without the concept of electrons nothing would be comprehensible. quantitives. ;-) Well, if you wannabee right by saying things your way, or think you say it better that way, who cares. Fact remains we have no time machine and no warp drive. But the mathematicians dreamed up those. So where is reality? Not with playing with incomplete math. That was the answer you asked for... No we cannot. You are getting a bit irritating, and makes one feel like wanting to terminate the exchange, because I mentioned, and gave a link, to the ESA experiment TWICE. Mathematical models gives us numerical values, they do not provide a mechanism, or explain anything. Never more then the EM field, never faster then c. You avoid what 'field' actually represents. Imagine, or try to imagine, that electron, between the two electrodes, something moves it, is it being carried by some sort of stream? Is something streaming? Clearly if changing potential on one electrode takes time for the field to adjust, it's effect to reach that electron, then _something_ moves. So the question is: what makes up that field, what sort of 'mechanism' (of whatever kind) can we dream up that would explain this? There were some really nice propositions made in this newsgroup some years ago, but I would have to look a while to find it. If something actually moves, then for sure the electron will never move faster then that stream (stream just a word for the unknown 'it'). What is charge? See previous remark. Sure, the electron accelerates, with constant DC on the electrodes, the issue is what is its max speed when accelerated by that DC static field, it is c!. Nope, does not work, see previous remark. Look, you theorise all you want, if you got it wrong people will call you, if you got it right maybe you get a Nobel, theorising is OK. === Subject: Re: Discussion of Fields A very poor mechanism. No better than field. Worse, even. Why are you happy with electron as mechanism but not field? (Perhaps a good time to actually try to define what you mean by mechanism?) Almost all of it would be comprehensible. Electronics has about as much to do with electrons as photonics has to do with photons. Most of electronics is about EM waves and EM power going up and down the circuit. This happens at approx. c, while the electrons move at a few mm/s. OK, there are all the fun quantum devices, like transistors and diodes (or vacuum tubes even). But from an electronics perspective, you don't need to know that, all you need is the black box model of the devices. Well, yes. Isn't this obvious? Because it's central to your original statement that, in the absence of mechanism, physics will not advance? _You_ introduced mechanism, didn't, and haven't defined mechanism (or advance), but appear to continue to defend your original thesis. Bottom line mechanism, as usually understood, is not reality; it's beyond reality, beyond experimental verification. So, what is your complaint? Please, be explicit! Are you complaining that avid mathematicians are theorising about warp drives (which you've already indicated is a wonderful and glorious aim)? Or just that the warp drives don't work in reality? In which case, complain to reality, not the avid mathematicians. Seriously, how can you simultaneously complain about the lack of practical time machines, and theoretical work expended on the theory of time machines? Oh? But no sign of a yes or no answer? Please, make it clear! Why not just answer the question? I'm not asking about the area of what gravity IS, the mechanism, I'm asking about physics in general, especially that part of it that makes use of Newtonian gravity. Did physics progress, based on Newton's mathematical model of gravity, despite the lack of mechanism? If yes, then your original statement about mechanism being needed for physics to advance was wrong. If no, then the work of Galilei, Newton, Priestly, Aepinus, etc was not an advance, and we may as well abandon Newtonianism and go back to mediaeval physics or earlier. Oh? We don't understand the effects? Where then is the (classical) defect in classical EM field theory? Note that I'm not claiming that we understand _why_, but merely that we understand the effects. I.e., that we know what the mathematical model predicts. Mentioning != proposing. And the original mention was tangential to the topic. Will look if time permits. In any case, it's doubly irrelevant, since this looked like just more of your anti-relativity bugbear, fundamentally nothing to do with mechanism vs no-mechanism, the foundation of Newtonianism. Of course. But a non-answer to the question. Oh? Are you saying that Coulomb's law doesn't work? That we need to modify the mathematical model to account for something streaming from one electrode to the other? Why? Be careful to define thing beforehand! Are you trying to say that F=Eq is wrong? Unless the mechanism, the explanation is experimentally/measurably accessible, then it isn't very useful. Various suggestions have been made (even coming out of conventional fundamental theoretical physics) as to mechanism, but they haven't gotten that much attention, since in the absence of experimental verification, such is largely metaphysical speculation. Why is this an issue? We already have a good model of why this happens. -- Timo === Subject: Re: Discussion of Fields NewsFleX homepage: http://panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/ and ftp download ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/linux/system/news/readers/ On a sunny day (Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:00:41 +1000) it happened Timo A. You are confusing some issues I think. Those are 2 seperate things, electrons are the 'thing' and field is the mathematical representation of the forces you expect. Not the same animal by a long shot. Well, put it very simply: It is easier to think in little balls moving around, knowing their charge, their preferences (such as to repel each other), their mass, etc. It allows you to visualise. AND THEY REALLY EXISTS! Sure you cannot grasp the electron tube, or the CRT you mentioned, without electrons flying around. Neither semiconductors, 'holes' too. You 'could' start with math, try with math only, but it would be a incomprehensible mess. Well, been in that field now for about 60 years, you are wrong :-) I have seen EEs make statements like that, and they somehow disappeared from the workplace... doing other things... Without electrons, or thinking electrons, they are doomed. Well, not really. We talk about volts and charge, rise times, nano seconds, impedances, currents, frequencies, never about some vague bullshit like 'EM power'. Wrong, may in some conductor, but in the CRT you mentioned, and many other electronic items, they may move close to c (well not very close, but at very high speed anyways). There was some discussion about using relativity in CRT design here some years ago. I think at that time some big company was looking for somebody for CRT electron gun design. Of course now that is all over with LCDs taking over. Wrong, yes,. the modern kids use simulators, spice models, but hell you better know what happens in those devices, or you are stuck once you leave uni, and have to make a real design. Note the ';-)' I know Sam Wormhole no longer bytes, dunno if he even did read it. Was poking fun at him a bit. Math is that engineering tool, but also facilitates doing things, think FFT for example. Well, I disagree. Of course from a purely philosophical POV we will likely _never_ know 'reality' (whatever that may be), as we can only look so deep (now looking for Higgs), and why should there be a bottom? The answer to everything? As to 'mechanism' let's say model, look at all those graphical simulations of little balls flying about, such a form of visualisation you could call 'mechanism', and it helps to understand what happens, simulations are not reality, I agree with you there, but electrons are. But it is still a 'mechanism'. Exactly! It makes them look sort of a bit let's say Phantasies. What I stated was that with Einsteins (incomplete) equations you can play and make time machines, but do no practical inventions that really work. I personally think a lot of those mathematicians are incompetent in many other fields then their small math pet area, look at gravity probe B, 25 years in the making. those balls? (basic mechanics). I also was one of the first to point out here that that experiment went wrong, because I know how those scientist react when they see things that do _not_ match their models. Not a bit in that area :-) Or did you see a Higgs lately? I doubt it :-) You are jumping items, I simply stated you cannot change the weight or inertia of an object, you have been unable to come up with a machine that can do that. Period. That depends on the timing, the field strength. Tick tick tick, like a clock, wrong timing and they slow down. === Subject: Re: Discussion of Fields Electron is what we _call_ the thing. We have a mathematical model of how they behave. We have no mechanism of why they behave that way. Sure, they exist. OK, and you like to visualise them as little balls. But surely mechanism means more than easily visualised! Where is the mechanism? All that you do with this picture of electrons is squeeze up a bunch of Maxwellian charge into a little ball, add on the experimentally measured electron mass (while subtracting the theoretically calculated infinite self-energy). There is no why at all, just mathematical models of observed phenomena. Alas, they _don't_ behave like little balls. Sure, electrons exist. But they're not little balls. Visualising photons as little balls can also be very misleading at times. It sounds like, for you, mechanism means an easily visualised picture. Easily visualised pictures are nice, but you need to be careful with them when, fundamentally, they're wrong. Such easily visualised pictures can be useful, even when wrong. But I'm wary of calling any such thing a mechanism, or trying to claim it as some kind of fundamental explanation, especially when it's known to be just an approximate picture. Power and signals. Doesn't matter what word you use, it's still mostly about power and signals. In normal, everyday conductors. The conductors that make up the majority of many electronic circuits. How many CRTs in a TV? How much length of metallic conductor? Well, to know what happens in these devices, you'd better forget about electrons being little balls. -- Timo Nieminen - Home page: http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/people/nieminen/ E-prints: http://eprint.uq.edu.au/view/person/Nieminen,_Timo_A..html Shrine to Spirits: http://www.users.bigpond.com/timo_nieminen/spirits.html === Subject: Re: Discussion of Fields posting-account=nPH_PQkAAACneDKT6RXopPWArC2We4Rq AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1 Safari/525.13,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Well, this is where I think there is room for some contention. Electrons are NOT little balls imbued with charge and mass. They don't behave consistently like little balls, they don't bear all the properties of little balls, and a little ball description does not accommodate what they do. So despite a little ball image being easy to visualize, it is known to be insufficient and inaccurate. This is why I asked you to be careful in distinguishing the reality of a field from the reality of an electron. === Subject: Re: Discussion of Fields posting-account=nPH_PQkAAACneDKT6RXopPWArC2We4Rq AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1 Safari/525.13,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) In fact, I would challenge Jan to characterize an electron in such a way that distinguishes it from a field. What are the properties of an electron that make it more real than a field? Be very careful with the answer, Jan. PD === Subject: Re: Discussion of Fields Expires: 60 days You relativists really are a primative lot. You are stuck on the bottom rung of physics and can't raise your tiny little minds above it. The point is, there is an obvious link between 'matter', 'charge' and 'field'. The mathematics is well known. Jan and I wish to speculate on the physics of that link. Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T) www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm ....specialising in teaching physics to engineers and mathematicians.... === Subject: Re: Discussion of Fields posting-account=nPH_PQkAAACneDKT6RXopPWArC2We4Rq AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1 Safari/525.13,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Where the distinction between the mathematics of the link and the physics of the link is WHAT, exactly? This is where I challenged Jan to be a bit more complete, and I'd be entertained by your spluttering an attempt as well. === Subject: Re: Discussion of Fields posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) New matter is born out of the fields and masses of the old accelerated Mithc Reamsch === Subject: Re: Discussion of Fields posting-account=nPH_PQkAAACneDKT6RXopPWArC2We4Rq AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1 Safari/525.13,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) And in resistive circuits, the current is approximately proportional to the applied voltage difference. Your contribution to the Irrelevancy Board is accepted for publication. PD === Subject: Re: Discussion of Fields Expires: 60 days We don't know the physics, Draper. That is what we are trying to determine. All we know is that it must exist. That's what Aristotle said about thunder and lightning, remember.....or was if Confuscious? Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T) www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm ....specialising in teaching physics to engineers and mathematicians.... === Subject: Re: Discussion of Fields posting-account=nPH_PQkAAACneDKT6RXopPWArC2We4Rq AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1 Safari/525.13,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) So you admit you don't know the difference between the mathematics of the link and the physics of the link. All you care to project is that there is something missing and leaving you unsatisfied, but you can't say what. WHAT must exist? If you don't know what it is, please explain how you're going to recognize the physics when you stumble upon it. Well, you're certainly confusedious. Are you using Aristotle as your standard for recognizing a physical model, Rabbidge? He wasn't so good at it, you know. === Subject: Re: Gravity is photons? posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Falling light changes colours. Light falls in chnaging time and this changes its energy. It goes up when falling in by blueshift and is red shfited when going out of the field. :Pound Rebka. Not to forget the Einstein shift. There is a doubled cause of redshift. Mitch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laureate 2008 Mitch Raemsch === Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IEdyYXZpdHkgaXMgcGhvdG9ucyAhISEhICAxMzY3KiAoMSsvLSBlICmyIG lzIGhl?= =?ISO-8859-1?B?bGlvIGdyYXZpdGF0aW9uIFdoYXQgZWxzZSA/?= posting-account=1qbAGAkAAADcUtlizzXUEb5jUjfAdE2y TRANSLATOR IS WELCOME !!! (Tout le fil m'int.8eresse : si un b.8en.8evoile qu.8eb.8equois voulait bien participer .88 ce tournant vers la r.8evolution scientifique) The value of the constant is Kdevia = 2,17004 10-6 (m 3 s -1 J -1) The constant is multiplied by 1367 W m-2 And you find the value of the deviation (m s-2) Soit 1367 * 2,17004 10-6 = Et l'on trouve 0.002966448 m s -2 Ce r.8esultat indique que la trajectoire de la Terre est d.8evi.8ee de 2.97 millim.8ftres par seconde The constant Kdevia is proved by every planet (It is the same than GMso / R2) The second step is to find how many photons came from the Earth to the Moon, to prove that Kdevia is also good for the satellite. CONSTANTE DE D.83VIATION H.83LIOPLAN.83TAIRE La constante de d.8eviation gravitationnelle h.8elioplan.8etaire est .8egale .88 Kdevia = 2,17004 10-6 m 3 s -1 J -1 Sa signification : Toute plan.8fte recevant une .8energie locale, Eloc, en provenance du Soleil, aura sa trajectoire d.8evi.8ee d'une quantit.8e .8egale .88 : Eloc * Kdevia Eloc en J s -1 m -2 Eloc calcul.8ee sur un plan perpendiculaire .88 la direction des photons depuis le Soleil jusqu'.88 la plan.8fte http://site.voila.fr/monsyte/de/SCIENCES/scphys/Recherche/La veritable equation de la gravitation helio planetaire.htm A text of the site of Òthe New SparkÓ: THE TRUE EQUATION OF GRAVITATION H.83LIO-PLAN.83TAIRE By Yanick Toutain 08/05/07 17:15 - 09/05/07 01:350 2 errata 6/07/07 18:35 Isaac Newton had insisted well: ÒAssumptions not fingoÓ, I do not pretend of assumptions. He had taken care well not to give a cause to the gravitation Photogravure = sun H.8elioplan.8etaire = which relates to the Sun and the planets, which relates to the relations between the Sun and planets ÒI explained the phenomena of the skies and our seas by the force of gravity, but I did not allot yet of cause to gravity. [...] I did not succeed in yet deducing [...] the reasons explaining the properties from gravity, and I do not pretend of assumptions. Because all that does not result from the phenomena calls necessarily an assumption; and the assumptions, which they are metaphysics, physical, founded on qualities occulted, or mechanical, do not have their place in experimental philosophy. 32 Gleick quotation However, the two gaps, the two theses which miss with the conceptual grid, it had already advanced them: the light as a photon and the photon as a brick. THE LIGHT AS A PHOTON Contrary to the rumours distilled by the relativists, for Isaac Newton the assumption of the light comparable with the sound, the assumption of a wave in an improbable ether, had quickly become a nonsense. It was completely convinced that the light was made of Òvery small bodies emitted by brilliant substancesÓ. THE PHOTON AS A BRICK But, this reflexion had not remained with this stage. Isaac Newton had also formulated the assumption according to which the atomos, the building block of the matter could be the grains of light themselves: ÒAren't the coarse bodies and the light mutually convertible, and the of light which use their composition?Ó Opticks 374 Quotation of J. Gleick p. 190 GAPS OF THE PRINCIPIA It is extremely probable that Newton, victim of the hatred of the antimaterialists - the heinous Leibniz robber at the head - wanted to be limited to what could not be called in question: One sees, still with the 21 ¡ century, clicks it cretins to tolerate, their pars, the worst stupid things: invisible and unknown dark matter, ÒholesÓ that they are black or Òof wormÓ, dimension exceeding 4 known dimensions, worlds parallelÉ and to howl with sorcery each time somebody Formula One an assumption of good sense which comes to shock their monnay.8ees beliefs. It thus misses the time of the signal and the fact that gravity is a phenomenon of photons with photons THE TIME OF THE SIGNAL It is the alive one of Newton that the first approximations speed of light were announced by R.9amer. 1665 precede 22 years the publication of the mathematical Principles of natural philosophy. It is astonishing that Newton included/understood only the aphelion, the Òmaximum distanceÓ to which we see the Sun, at the beginning of July is not a distance, but only the length of the way traversed by the light to reach us. Admittedly, Newton regarded the Sun as motionless in absolute space, but what could be negligible for the bond Sun Ground it is not any more for the way in which we see Mars. Isaac Newton was 22 years old. R.9amer announced 240.000 kilometers a second. 80% the true speed. Indeed, when we see Mars with such or such place, it is obvious for all the children of the 21¡ century that Mars is not any more at this place. As the image of Mars that we see travelled during a time of several hundreds of seconds, at the moment when this image arrives in our eyes or in the objective of the camera, the planet Mars is on the right or on the left place where see we it. That, Newton would have been able to include/understand it and take it into account in its analyses (when well even it would have persisted in regarding the Sun as motionless) It seems probable to me that in the files of Newton pages must be where this assumption could be with the state of draft. With the children of the 21¡ century: Will know that the TOTALITY of the graduate cretins (engineers professors etc.) expressing itself in fr.sci.physic or GRAVITY OF PHOTONS with PHOTONS The comprehension of what the matter is made of bricks photons has a consequence quite as fundamental as the preceding one: It can nothing exist of other than the photons. Consequently of what, the light is the active ingredient of the gravitation; and this active ingredient is exerted on bodies which are nothing other than agglomerated photons. The gravitation is thus only the consequence of the shock of the photons (in form light, isolated) on other photons (agglomerated, in form matter). The gravitation is thus, simply the modification of the trajectory of formed bodies of agglomerated photons, run up against by Òisolated photonsÓ. They are these modifications of trajectories which appear either in the form ÒattractionÓ or in the form ÒrepulsionÓ OBJECTIVE OF THIS TEXT The object, limited, from this text goes to consist to transform the equations of Kepler and Newton concerning the gravitation and the movements of planets to give them a form materialist compatible with the two preceding additions to the theses of Isaac Newton. It is not need to add only all the other theses - under the reserve to take into account what precedes - are considered veracious, to start with the concepts absolute space, absolute time, absolute place, absolute movement and absolute velocities. The only modification will consist in replacing the absolute word by the objective word which clarifies the concepts more. *** CONSTANT OF DEVIATION H.83LIOPLAN.83TAIRE The constant of gravitational deviation h.8elioplan.8etaire is equal to Kdevia = 2,17004 10-6 m3 S -1 J -1 Its significance: Any planet receiving a local energy, Eloc, coming from the Sun, will have its deviated trajectory of a quantity equalizes with: Eloc * Kdevia Eloc in J S -1 m -2 Eloc calculated on a level perpendicular to the direction of the photons since the Sun to planet This quantity has dimensions of an acceleration (meters per seconds 2) but corresponds simply to the quantity of deviation (in direction of the Sun) of the trajectory of planet. m S -2 Its use is strictly identical to that of Isaac Newton concerning gravitational acceleration. The Flight Path Vector is decreased by a quantity equal to Eloc*Kdevia*unit.8edetemps For a Eloc value = 1367 It is enough to multiply 1367 by Kdevia That is to say 1367 * 2,17004 10-6 = And 0.002966448 are found This result indicates that the trajectory of the Earth is deviated of 2.97 millimetres a second J S -1 m -2 m S -2 Naturally, when, at the beginning of July, the Earth in front of the Sun, is at the point of aphelion, the received energy of the Sun is weaker: only 1321.67 joules per m 2 a second. And thus, the deviation is weaker: only 0.0028681 The deviation is of 2.86 millimetres a second. Whereas, 6 months later, on January 2, at the point of perihelion, the Earth - behind the Sun - receives 1413.086 joules (7% of energy in more). And thus its deviation will be more important: 3.066 millimetres a second. The deviation of January is 7% more important than the deviation of July. INTERPRETATION MATERIALIST The direction of this equation is very simple: The shock of the photons of the Sun deviates the trajectory of planets. The quantity of deviation depends on received energy: The light coming from the Sun corresponds to the equation of Planck called equation of the black body. This equation indicates the distribution of the various kinds of photons which reach us coming from the Sun. In 1 joule coming from the Sun, there are yellow photons - an integer of yellow photons -, there are green photons, red photons, the purple ones, but also of the infra-red photons, ultraviolet photons. These photons arrive to the Earth, to Mars or Jupiter, each planet of the solar system. And their arrival on each planet starts billion shocks. These are the shocks which deviate the trajectories of planets. Anything else! LAW IN R 2 AND the SURFACE Of a SPHERE This multiplicative law of a constant is, obviously compatible with the law of Isaac Newton (resulting from Kepler) The value of Kdevia is even calculated according to the equations of Newton Kdevia = (local acceleration/Eloc) /2 Local acceleration = G Mso/R 2 And thus Kdevia = G Mso/(R 2 * 2Eloc) Mso masses Sun G gravitational constant However Eloc = Etot/(4 pi * R 2) Kdevia = G Mso/(R 2 * 2Etot/(4 pi * R 2)) Kdevia = G Mso/(Etot /2 pi) That indicates that the law in R 2 mask in fact a constant: Kdevia Kdevia constant whose value depends on the photonic emission of the Sun, the mass allotted to the Sun and constant G, gravitational constant. Etot total Energy emitted by the Sun a second It should be noted that at the origin, the first report which made the author was that of the root fourth of energy. The equation of Kepler improved by Newton gave Period 2/R3 = 4 pi 2/G Mso This equation had another possible writing: Period 2/R = 4 pi 2 R 2/G Mso G Mso/R = 4 pi 2 R 2/period 2 G Mso/R = (2 pi R/period) 2 GMso/R= (Speed of revolution of planet) 2 But this equation could change again: Eloc = Etot/(4 pi * R 2) And thus 1/R = square root (Eloc*4 pi/Etot) And thus then: (Speed of revolution of planet) 2 = Gmso*racine square (Eloc*4 pi/ Etot) There was then the speed of revolution of the planet (average over one year) which was proportional to the fourth root of received Energy (ÒconstantÓ solar) Speed of revolution of planet = Eloc (1/4) * G Mso * 2 * square root (pi/Etot) Erratum (6/7/07) ÒproportionalÓ to the place of ÒequalÓ: the attentive reader of the equation will have rectified itself. This equation (cumulative over one year) hid, in fact, the Kdevia equation. spherical influence, like the results of shocks coming from a central source spreading itself in space on a spherical form. The R 2 was simply the ray of the sphere PARTICULARIZATION OF THE EQUATION This law, valid for planets and their trajectory does not function - in this simple form - for the gravity of the objects attracted by planets. The Moon should receive 627 joules (M-1 s-1) coming from the Earth And the objects held and released on Earth should receive 2260 kw to justify acceleration of 9.81 m a second 2. What is - first access - absurdity. WHO SEEKS WILL FIND The author does not wait to have improved this equation: who will want, will seek it to find the total solution. By Yanick Toutain At the date of the 6/7/07, the author still does not have the generalized formula. assumption! To see: Newton and wind of the mills NOTES AND COMMENTS ÒBut was one to interpret the light like a wave or a whole of undulatory phenomena: Ó Aren't the luminous rays driven sometimes like an eel? ÒBuried Hooke, Newton also buried ether - this medium likely to vibrate under the action of light waves, following the example one being which transmits waves when a stone there is thrown. Such an ether would interfere with the permanent movement of planets - established so perfectly from now on. He trusted his corpuscular theory: the rays of light are Òvery small bodies emitted by brilliant substancesÓ. 23 Ainsi, it seemed to take the wrong way (...) Note 23 Optiks, Question 29, p. 370 Quotation of James Gleick Isaac Newton A fabulous destiny p. 167-168 The preface writer is a malicious and heinous nutcase. This biography of Òa relativist is rather honest for a a little limited partisan of orthodoxy Surface of a sphere: 4 pi R 2 ++++++ 1367: the relativistic cretins is obstinated to call this number Òsolar constantÓ. (And that since 1837 and the introduction of this concept per Claude Pouillet) Their idiocy is double: 1¡ This number changes at each second. As soon as the way to traverse Sun to the Earth increases, a larger number of photons Òmagnifying glassÓ the Earth and thus the solar ÒconstantÓ falls 2¡ But their incommensurable silly thing seems - also - to ignore the second phenomenon (described by Cotardi.8fre) Ò(...) taken measurements (...) revealed a decrease of the Òsolar constantÓ of 0.019%, perhaps bound per annum to the one of the cycles of the solar activity.Ó +++++++++++++ This text has been the subject of several drafts on books for several years. And is, naturally the continuation of the equation Òfourth rootÓ published in 2002. The two reasons justifying its failure to be published on monsyte since October 2006 are 1¡ the complete absence of interlocutor materialist on the forums fr.sci, accepting simply the concept of vacuum (the preceding publication of the function describing the fourth root of energy had started only comments imbeciles and deprived of some interest that it is 2¡ the fact that this equation is incomplete and describes neither the modifications of trajectories of the satellites, nor the gravitation near the ground of a planet. The reason which has just started its publication in this beginning the framework of a debate, in Spanish, with another contributor, had extremely pleasant remarks relating to me - slicing with the malicious silly thing of usual Armingaud, Caudron, Lauwaert and other asses relativistic, being unaware of the simplest beginning of the bible which they assert and passing their leisures (important) to fill the forums fr.sci.physic with heinous diatribes whose only and single interest consists of the nearest construction of the million young not graduates, who will come soon to draw - there - absolute confidence in their intelligence confronted with the display afflicting with the silly thing fouls of the qualified engineers, of the students of normal sup., of the professors of physics and of mathematics teaching as well in college as in university and which poured kilometers of stupidities that a 8 year old child of 2020 will look with an amused eye, surprised and vaguely scandalized. These remarks related to my certainty of the photons as a single cause of gravity. Rather than to incite Mr. Xaustein to simply go to read again the text ÒBlind men who we areÓ and to satisfy to me to indicate a bond allowing a reading translated (AltaVista-Systran-babelfish) into Spanish, with his intention, like with that of its interlocutor, I judged good to make appear this incomplete equation. That could be the occasion of a collaboration if a reader free or Spanish-speaking would like to harness himself with the generalization of the equation (or rather with its ÒparticularizationÓ in the case of a gaseous medium and in the case of a multiple gravitation - what is the case of the satellites, undergoing the Sun and their planet). Appendix Data used Rsote 149562419000 It is not the astronomical unit (it is the ray on the assumption Ain Al Rami) Laph.8elie 152105142000 length of the way of the photons to the aphelion (it is not a distance between 2 bodies) Lp.8erih.8elie 147103311000 length of the way of the photons to the perihelion (it is not a distance between 2 bodies) ElocTerre 1367 (J (m 2, S) GMso 1,327124380E+20 Òconstant heliocentric of the gravitationÓ (m^3/s 2) Calculations SushT =surface sphere photogravure Terre=4*pi*Rsote 2 2,81096E+23 (m 2) Etot = ElocTerre*SushT 3,84258E+26 J/S solar acT=acceleration undergone by the Earth 0,005932895 m/s 2 deviation a second 2 = acT/2 0,002966448 m/s 2 and thus Kdevia = deviation a second/Eloc 2,17004E-06 Elocaph Eloc with the aphelion = Etot/(4 pi *Laph.8elie 2) 1321,678071 Elocp.8erih Eloc with the perihelion = Etot/(4 pi *Lp.8erih.8elie 2) 1413,085956 deviation by dryness with the aphelion = Kdevia * Elocaph 0,002868097 deviation by dryness with the aphelion = Kdevia * Elocaph 0,003066456 One checks: (Gmso/Laph.8elie 2)/2 0,002868097 One checks: (Gmso/Lap.8erih.8elie 2)/2 0,003066456 === Subject: Re: Gravity is photons? posting-account=nf79RwoAAABXjvy5ztMzmPxgY1WGoktI Gecko/20080201 Firefox/2.0.0.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) There's perhaps 1e100 photons/atom, and on average there's perhaps less than 0.1 atom/m3 of our all-inclusive universe. Go figure. . - Brad Guth === Subject: Re: Gravity is photons? No. This is ruled out experimentally. The simplest tests are precision tests of the equivalence principle. Photons, pretty much by definition, couple only to charged matter -- photons are quanta of electromagnetic radiation, and electric charge is what electromagnetism couples to. But we observe, to accuracies of better than a part in a billion, that gravity couples to nuclear and electrostatic binding energy, which carry no electric charge. We also observe that gravity interacts with light -- the Sun deflects light, for instance -- while photons do not interact with each other. More generally, we observe that gravity couples universally to all forms of energy. This is tested experimentally for nuclear binding energy, electrostatic and magnetostatic energy, the energy of weak nuclear interactions, the kinetic energy of electrons in atoms, and even gravitational binding energy. It can be shown that this requires that gravity must be described by a certain type of tensorial field (spin 2), while, as others have pointed out, photons are (again, observably) spin 1. The spin 2 nature of the gravitational interaction is further tested by the behavior of binary neutron stars. Spin 2 fields couple to quadrupole moments, while spin 1 fields couple to dipole moments, which are typically much larger. If gravity coupled to a binary pulsar dipole moment, the system would emit gravitational radiation much faster than we observe. Observations of the orbital decay of binary pulsars instead very closely match the predictions of a spin 2 coupling. You might want to read Cliff Will's popular book _Was Einstein Right?_ for a nice introduction. If you want something more technical, try http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2006-3/index.html. Steve Carlip === Subject: Re: Gravity is photons? posting-account=nf79RwoAAABXjvy5ztMzmPxgY1WGoktI Gecko/20080201 Firefox/2.0.0.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) How much mass can a zero-mass spin-1 photon haul? . - Brad Guth === Subject: Neutrons and radiation posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Neutrons don't radiate EM. They do not have an electro magnetic field therefor they don't have the field to give birth to light. Mitch Reamsch === Subject: Re: Neutrons and radiation posting-account=42V-qwoAAABOAKkANAhMmpW4F3ZbRLXb Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) You have no idea what you're talking about. This is about your speed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron Pay particular attention to the section Interactions. Nuclear Magnetic Resonance of many isotopes (frinst C13) depends entirely on the magnetic moment of an 'extra' neutron. Mark L. Fergerson === Subject: Re: Neutrons and radiation posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Perhaps that is a misinterpretation as the neutron has no charge. ElectroMagnetic charge is the prerequiset for interacting with light. MItch Raemsch Twice Nobel Laureate 2008 === Subject: Re: Neutrons and radiation posting-account=UM3jRwkAAADTHFmJ20qgwageu031CeWA 5.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron magnetic moment === Subject: Re: Neutrons and radiation Wait 14.76 minutes on the average, then Cesarean section. Shouldn't you be squeezing comedones and eating the creamy centers? Propionibacterium gives them an exquisite cheesy aroma. -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2 === Subject: Re: Americans are racists. posting-account=5eF6AAoAAACgEiJsnvTzkG3jCanYUV3N Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Not sure but I've heard a rumour that there are several Apache posters on alt.wigwam and totempole.local. Gonad === Subject: Re: Americans are racists. with: nationalistic Native Amer= Continental.http://scrawlmark.org now that a= nation... Not sure but I've heard a rumour that there are several Apache posters on alt.wigwam and totempole.local. Gonad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You forgot 'alt.two.dogs.fucking'. HJ === Subject: Re: Americans are racists. No he didn't. Years ago, it was renamed alt.usenet.kooks. -- -------(m+ ~/:o)_| Gresham's Law is not worth a Continental. http://scrawlmark.org === Subject: Re: Americans are racists. posting-account=5eF6AAoAAACgEiJsnvTzkG3jCanYUV3N Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) LOL. Gonad === Subject: Dimensions curve posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Squaring the circle. In dimensional expansion the hypersphere surface is headed toward hypercube or tesseract. An infinite circle has an arc that is a straight line. The round is becomming the cube. Mitch Raemsch === Subject: Re: Dimensions curve Hey stooopid - tell us how the cube's vertices emerge. Hey stooopid - any 2-D circle can be exactly squared with a quadratrix curve (e.g., Hippias, Tschirnhausen, Ozam; cochleoid). You don't know shit about Greek construction. Fucking imbecile. Go eat another comedo. -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2 === Subject: Re: Dimensions curve posting-account=UlqQigoAAADUKXgHhhqS3Em_KfDZERQh 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Squaring the circle by ancient Greek accepted construction (using a compass and straightedge) was proven impossible in rigorous way. In algebraic terms, squaring a circle of radius r means to fing a square of side b such that: pi x r^2 = b^2 Since pi is a transcendental number, for constant r, then (pi x r^2) is also transcendental and this means that b is transcendental, since we know that any non-constant algebraic function of a single variable produces a transcendental number if applied to a transcenedental argument. Thus, also algebraicaly the circle cannot be squared exactly although it can be done to some high precision in practice. Mike === Subject: Re: Is it possible to disprove phenomenalism? posting-account=NzomCgoAAADSxo8dItZFimQE_f4Fbqcn .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Look. Colour and dimension. === Subject: Re: Is it possible to disprove phenomenalism? posting-account=1qbAGAkAAADcUtlizzXUEb5jUjfAdE2y Perhaps you will be the first one to say to me : let-s find together our absolute speed ? I dream? YT === Subject: Re: Is it possible to disprove phenomenalism? posting-account=1qbAGAkAAADcUtlizzXUEb5jUjfAdE2y If you dream, you can stop to answer to me ... it s only a dream... .... I hope you will read materialism and empirocriticism : we MUST find our OBJECTIVE SPEED The rest is for the CLOWNS of Lenine === Subject: Re: Is it possible to disprove phenomenalism? Newton's victory is near ! posting-account=1qbAGAkAAADcUtlizzXUEb5jUjfAdE2y Frequently I ama not sute to understand what the redactors of But here, I am sure ! VI L.8enine have written an entire book against Malinovsky - Bogdanov, against Mach, against Avenarius ... against Berkeley. Materislism and empiriociriticism. He defended Newton, the absolute speed,the absolute time,the absolute motion in a universe where physical objects exist as things in themselves. I defend L.8enine and Newton since 2001 on the web. But I am waiting for the the first one who will say : I understand all the main theories of Newton and I want towork serieously to examin the six way I have discovered to prove our absolute 'objective) motion. Take a look on my manifeste mat.8erialiste and la v.8eritable .8equation de la gravitation h.8elioplan.8etaire. I just have written a text about the main questions of the motion and the space. http://monsyte.blogspot.com/2008/04/newton-les-vitesses-et-la-philosophie.ht ml I have asked Mr valev what do youcall speed bit he prefers to be the first. He hopes to discover something and to be the king of the world. Go on salutations mat.8erialistes Yanick Toutain Everyone must read the chapter on the absolute time ! http://marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1908/mec/index.htm === Subject: Re: Is it possible to disprove phenomenalism? Newton's victory is near ! Yanick Toutain a .8ecrit : On attend toujours les preuves scientifiques de ce que vous avancez. -- kd === Subject: Re: Is it possible to disprove phenomenalism? posting-account=WcSFUgoAAADvkks8-hwSbsthuBJ_cjih Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Still testing the truth of a proposition depends on sensory perception. So how do we know that the world is material and objective and is not simply in our minds? === Subject: Re: Is it possible to disprove phenomenalism? posting-account=qKxGxgkAAADAPfYVCc-ZQkIzl0senr2M Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) ...and so one falls into the trap of solipsism. Solipsism does not work because it cannot work. It tries to disqualify *ALL* before anything can be done, and the effect is to simply render itself totally impotent. The only way out is an illogical leap of intuition. One must simply recognize the trap for what it is and decide I don't want to play this stupid game any more. Tom Davidson Richmond, VA === Subject: Re: Is it possible to disprove phenomenalism? posting-account=WcSFUgoAAADvkks8-hwSbsthuBJ_cjih Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Still testing the truth of a proposition depends on sensory perception. So how do we know that the world is material and not simply in our minds? === Subject: Re: What is Ether? Sure she did. So did Spiderman. === Subject: Re: What is Ether? posting-account=-5a9CAoAAABl1C10M224pEnfD-yAElM_ CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) The aether will be unhappy to hear that Not the 19th century aether in which matter is suspended within the aether and seperate from it, but the Einsteinian concept in which === Subject: Re: What is Ether? If you call a tail a leg how many legs does a cat have? Answer: 4. Calling a tail a leg does not make a tail into a let. Likewise calling the spacetime manifold aether, does not make it into aether. No aether. There is no space-time filling substance that is solid and stiff like steel yet so rare it does not slow planets down in their orbits. Bob Kolker === Subject: Re: What is Ether? posting-account=6j8rkgoAAACbX7fxouJREDX69QKm_b3G 3.2.0; SU 3.004; .NET CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; Media Center PC 4.0; yplus 5.1.04b),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Got a question that I've never heard adequately answered. The existance of such a 'rigid lattice' medium was disproved conclusively by the Michelson Morley experiment of 1887. So why was Einstein still wholeheartedly endorsing it well into the 1920s? A case in point is his famous University of Leyden lecture of 1920 wherein he summarized : Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring- rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense. But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time.... And concluded : The idea of motion may not be applied to it. That last sentence shows his continuing affirmation of the Lorentzian 'rigid lattice' concept, which was finally abolished in the 1920s and rightly so. But why was it still being endorsed for 35+ years even though proven false? Enquiring minds would like to know. === Subject: Re: What is Ether? posting-account=A_fxOQkAAAC3cvPrAtLES_UPpvsB8VF2 5.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Wrong my ether theory gives detail description what the ether is. A description of my ether theory is available in the paper entitled Unifcation of Physics in my website: http://www.geocities.com/kn seto/index.htm Ken Seto === Subject: Re: What is Ether? posting-account=A_fxOQkAAAC3cvPrAtLES_UPpvsB8VF2 5.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Yes. The ether is called the E-Matrix and the E-Matrix is composed of compressed E-Strings. These E-Strings are repulsive to each other and the diameter of these E-Strings is estimated to be e-35 meter. A photon is a wave packet in neighboring E-Strings traveling coherently toward the target at a speed of c. For a complete description of the the E-Matrix please read the paper entitled Unifcation of Physics in ny website: http://www.geocities.com/kn seto/index.htm Ken Seto === Subject: Re: What is Ether? posting-account=E2h1pAoAAADhDrV2JQZKt4T0bZV3jH0L It's a good questaionaire No, there are void without ether True Ether has no it No Ether itself has no mass Yes, it has 4-dimensional volume Mass means 4-dimensional vortex (or vortices) and it doesn't produce resistance. Quite close metaphor Yes, if to mean under vacuum part of our Universe. to be published it's a task of next century Just look around Yes Valery S. vps137.narod.ru/physics.html === Subject: Re: What is Ether? Propagation of transverse vibration is not limited to solids. Superfluids have that kind of property, for example see: O. Tkachenko and S. Vilchynsky. Transverse sound propagation in superfluid helium inside a carbon nanotube. Journal of Molecular Liquids Volume 127, Issues 1-3, p158.