>But here I now read that people are indeed very attached to their >calculators, and so I am very curious: What do you use them for? Just to join in the general HP nostalgia: I used an HP-45 for many years, and it functioned fine for quite awhile, if a bit stickily, after a Pepsi spill that got into most of the keys. I finally ditched it when some of the crucial buttons stopped responding. Around the same time I had an HP-65 programmable at work, and I was programming it to do various numerical things I needed (like Lagrange interpolation of calibration data). I have bought one or two non-HP scientific calculators since then, but rarely used one. Almost every calculation I want to do these days I just do on the Matlab window I always have open on my computer. And since that includes a really lovely graphics capability, I've never had occasion to want to use a graphic calculator. I have no idea how to use a TI-83, and I haven't yet found enough incentive to want to learn. One of these days I'll probably want to invest in a scientific calculator for use away from the office, but I'm not sure if I have any need for programmability. It *would* be nice to have hex conversion at my fingertips; the last calculator purchased for me by an employer was an HP model that included lots of computer-related stuff like that. - Randy ==== > I've always wondered about Mathematical Olympics. Don't the judges have > to be smarter than any of the contestants, to be able to judge them > accordingly? In normal Olympics, the judges can be any skinny little > wimps off the street, as they can merely watch the athletes without > competing themselves. Ignoring the time constraint --- in a lot of cases --- for making the judgement call, the most important qualifications, IMHO, are integrity, knowing the rules and knowing how to apply the rules. (But math rules are not just any rules.) Notwithstanding, getting a couple hundred of rainbow eyes and broken noses and cut cheeks (analogically in boxing) may or may not hurt the qualifications more than the injured. > But mathematics is different. Unlike athletics, it's not plain to see > who is better than who. You have to be a mathematician yourself. Shall we start the definition of (the qualification of) a mathematician? :) Math is not, IMHO, to figure out who is better than who, a petty proposition. It is about truth. If your focus is math contests, rather than math in its 'pure' form, then the result is no different from another type. A 'democratic' view of the performance of the contestants at the moment with a specific set of configurations. The 'lazy God' (sorry for sometimes misspellings) by Minkowsky could have had pathetic performances in contests. > There's *one* thing that suggest that the judges don't have to be the > smartest ones after all - in certain theoretical calculations, checking > whether something has been done is far easier than actually doing it. Wonder, if there can be exceptions (to easier). > For example consider the simple array sort. Actually sorting the array > can't be done faster than O(nlog n) time, this has been proven. But Practically, I sincerely hope that stays proven. > checking if the array has been sorted can be done in O(n) time with a > simple algorithm any child could come up with. Maybe this can be > expanded to more complicated calculations? ==== > Let's define a sum: n 1 > s(n)= S ------------- > k=0 k! Now, we want to get this sum: oo > S(x)= S s(n) x^n ; x<1 > n=0 Is there a closed form and if so how to evaluate it How about this: Multiply by x and get the following: x S(x) = SUM (n=1,oo) s(n-1) x^n Now subtract S(x) and use the following fact: s(n) - s(n-1) = 1/n! I get S(x) = e^x/(1-x). -Michael. ==== > Let's define a sum: n 1 > s(n)= S ------------- > k=0 k! Now, we want to get this sum: oo > S(x)= S s(n) x^n ; x<1 > n=0 Is there a closed form and if so how to evaluate it > Look at S(x) - xS(x). Rick ==== > Ah, but there's a difference for me. When I enter 6.67259 x 10 EE -11 and > press = (equal key), I get 6.67259 ^-10. This is the problem. If you enter 6...*10 EE -11 then you really compute 6..*10*10^-11 since (EE z) is an abbreviation for doing *10^z. Hence I would suggest entering 6.. * 10 then pressing a button like y^x (it is so called on my TI 30X I think its also on TI 36X) and then entering -11. ==== >Ah, but there's a difference for me. When I enter 6.67259 x 10 EE -11 and >press = (equal key), I get 6.67259 ^-10. THERE'S your problem! You multiplied 6.67 by 10x10^(-11), which is 6.67x10^(-10). You should have punched in 6.67 EE -11 . DON'T punch in the 10! --Dan Grubb ==== 1/9 = 0.1111... > 2/9 = 0.2222... > ... > 8/9 = 0.8888... > 9/9 = 0.9999... But, 9/9 = 1, so 0.9999... equals 1 This is just some funny stuff that crept into my head. Now, is there anything > wrong in this proof? If so, what is it? > If you know that each of these lines is the sum of a geometric series, that, then you need more to make this a proof. ==== > But here I now read that people are indeed very attached to their > calculators, and so I am very curious: What do you use them for? > I would be especially interested to discover any professional uses for > the graphing and symbolic calculators (my impression so far has been > that no one uses them except high school teachers and their students). You never forget the first time you were in love.... I cherish my HP 32S II so much that I wouldn't dream of bringing it with me to work. It might get lost or stolen or worse... That leaves me with a stupid Windows Calculator, which doesn't do RPN. I must suffer to protect my loved ones... -Michael. ==== > Ellipse is produced if a plane intersects only one nappe of a cone. Is there a way to get the parameters of the ellipse as a function of > the angle of the plane with the axis of the cone? I know that they depend on the height of the cone and diameter of the > circle at the bottom of the cone. I couldn't find exactly what you're asking for at Mathworld (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Cone.html), but here's some thoughts from the geometry. (Plane that is perpendicular to the axis produces a circle.) Let theta be the angle the plane makes with the axis. Let's say the cone has height h and base diameter d. Let us suppose the plane cuts the axis at distance y from the apex, where the diameter is (d/h)y. Half of this, 0.5dy/h, is the semi-minor axis of the ellipse. The center point of the ellipse is the place where the plane cuts the axis. Now let's look at the semi-major axis. Consider a planar slice through our plane and cone that includes the semi-major axis and the axis of the cone. (I suggest you draw a picture. I'm referring to a picture as I write this). The picture is something like this. Apex A | | cone | | B Axis / | / | / Cutting plane |/ C We have a triangle formed by the apex A, the ellipse center C, and the highest place B where the ellipse cuts the cone. The angle ACB is the angle theta at the bottom of this triangle. The angle CAB at the top, the apex angle of the cone is arctan(0.5d/h). Call this angle CAB = phi. BC is the semimajor axis of the ellipse. We can find it from, for example, the law of sines: BC/sin(CAB) = AC/sin(ABC) I defined y = AC. sin(ABC) = sin(pi - (CAB + ACB)) = sin(CAB+ACB) So BC = semimajor axis = y*sin(phi)/sin(phi+theta) unless I made a mistake. Now you have the semiminor axis (0.5dy/h) and the semimajor axis. That's enough to calculate any other parameters of the ellipse you want. - Randy <4a10pvcg1d5066dbuoa4s7s9pcus13rlui@no.spam> ==== >Ah, but there's a difference for me. When I enter 6.67259 x 10 EE -11 and >press = (equal key), I get 6.67259 ^-10. This is the problem. If you enter 6...*10 EE -11 then you really compute > 6..*10*10^-11 since (EE z) is an abbreviation for doing *10^z. > Hence I would suggest entering 6.. * 10 then pressing a button like y^x (it > is so called on my TI 30X I think its also on TI 36X) and then entering > -11. Or just 6.67259 EE -11. -- P.A.C. Smith 'If the Apocalypse comes, beep me.' <*> http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~pas51 ==== I'm constructing an algorithm to generate the harmonic series of a musical instrument. I've been butting my head with this equation which I have to invert, but I've had no luck so far: y(x) = (1 + sqrt(1 + px)) / (1 + sqrt(1 + x)) where 0 < p < 1. So the problem is to turn x into a function of y. I get the feeling this is either trivial and I've missed something obvious, or it cannot be done analytically in a closed form. -Alistair ==== - 2y = px - 2y.sqr[(1+x)(1+px)] + xy^2 -(2y + px + xy^2) = -2y.sqr[(1+x)(1+px)] (2y + px + xy^2)^2 = 4y^2 (1+x)(1+px) 4y^2 + p^2 x^2 + x^2 y^4 + 4pxy + 2px^2 y^2 + 4xy^3 = 4y^2 + 4xy^2 + 4pxy^2 + 4px^2 y^2 p^2 x^2 + x^2 y^4 + 4pxy + 2px^2 y^2 + 4xy^3 = 4xy^2 + 4pxy^2 + 4px^2 y^2 p^2 x^2 + x^2 y^4 + 4pxy - 2px^2 y^2 + 4xy^3 = 4xy^2 + 4pxy^2 p^2 x^2 + x^2 y^4 + 4pxy - 2px^2 y^2 + 4xy^3 - 4xy^2 - 4pxy^2 = 0 x^2 (p^2 + y^4 - 2py^2) + x(4py - 4py^2 + 4y^3 - 4y^2) = 0 x^2 (p - y^2)^2 + 4x(py - py^2 + y^3 - y^2) = 0 x^2 (p - y^2)^2 + 4x(py(1 - y) - y^2 (1 - y)) = 0 x^2 (p - y^2)^2 + 4xy(p - y)(1 - y) = 0 x = -4y(p - y)(1 - y) / (p - y^2)^2 >I get the feeling this is either trivial and I've missed something >obvious, or it cannot be done analytically in a closed form. > I've the unsettling notion you better check my work and my answer. y(0) = 1; x(1) = 0; well it does check for x = 0, but that's a special case anyway as I divided by x for the final solution. ---- ==== I'm constructing an algorithm to generate the harmonic series of a > musical instrument. I've been butting my head with this equation > which I have to invert, but I've had no luck so far: y(x) = (1 + sqrt(1 + px)) / (1 + sqrt(1 + x)) where 0 < p < 1. So the problem is to turn x into a function of y. I get the feeling this is either trivial and I've missed something > obvious, or it cannot be done analytically in a closed form. > -Alistair > a computer equation solver (MATLAB symbolic toolbox) gave x = 4 * y * (1 - y) * (y - p) / (y^2 - p)^2 but got confused when instructed to check by plugging in. Cause: ambiguity in taking square roots from squares. So, I applied common sense and got the same result. The method: First, realize that sqrt(p) < y < 1 (subtract and compare with zero). Then introduce an intermediate unknown t = 1 + sqrt(1 + x), so t > 0 and x = t * (t - 2) ==== >3 men went to a motel. There's only 1 room left and it costs 30 bucks. So, each >man forked out 10 bucks. Later, the owner discovered he over-charged the 3 men. It should be 25 bucks >instead. So, he sent his runner to give 5 bucks back to the 3 men. The 3 men >think the owner is very honest, and thus each took 1 buck back, leaving 2 bucks >to the runner as tips. Now, since they took 1 buck back, each of them paid 9 bucks. 2 bucks to the >runner. So: (9*3)+2 = 29. Where's the 1 dollar? > There is no one dollar to look for, i.e.: 10 + 10 + 10 = 30 = 25 + 5 = 25 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 --> 9 + 9 + 9 = 25 + 2 so it's 27 - 2 = 25 and not 27 + 2 = 30 adam ==== >Once upon a time, the battery died and thought that I'd >just use this other calculator until I had time to get >a new one. I could not function. RPN is so imbedded >into my thinking that I could not use a regular calculator. >I ended up doing the stuff on paper and the task of getting >a new battery jumped to number 1 priority. It's the same with me. I use a slide rule and/or paper and pencil if > an RPN calc isn't available. (Though my 48GX, 41CX and 16C are usually > within arm's reach.) My laptop is often within arm's reach and I use an RPN calculator on it, although I do also have a physical one somewhere. I, too, can not function with an algebraic-notation calculator, despite using algebraic notation often enough in various programming languages. -- David Eppstein http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eppstein/ Univ. of California, Irvine, School of Information & Computer Science ==== >Once upon a time, the battery died and thought that I'd >>just use this other calculator until I had time to get >>a new one. I could not function. RPN is so imbedded >>into my thinking that I could not use a regular calculator. >>I ended up doing the stuff on paper and the task of getting >>a new battery jumped to number 1 priority. It's the same with me. I use a slide rule and/or paper and pencil if >> an RPN calc isn't available. (Though my 48GX, 41CX and 16C are usually >> within arm's reach.) My laptop is often within arm's reach and I use an RPN calculator on it, >although I do also have a physical one somewhere. I, too, can not >function with an algebraic-notation calculator, despite using algebraic >notation often enough in various programming languages. I don't see any relationship between those other kinds of calculations and algebra or programming languages. It's because of my familiarity of programming that I can't use those other calculators. RPN is completely algebraic to me. When calculating any equation, you do the insides first with a heirarchy of operation. Those non-RPN calculators are left to right with no push down list. /BAH /BAH ==== >Once upon a time, the battery died and thought that I'd >>just use this other calculator until I had time to get >>a new one. I could not function. RPN is so imbedded >>into my thinking that I could not use a regular calculator. >>I ended up doing the stuff on paper and the task of getting >>a new battery jumped to number 1 priority. >It's the same with me. I use a slide rule and/or paper and pencil if >> an RPN calc isn't available. (Though my 48GX, 41CX and 16C are usually >> within arm's reach.) My laptop is often within arm's reach and I use an RPN calculator on it, >although I do also have a physical one somewhere. I, too, can not >function with an algebraic-notation calculator, despite using algebraic >notation often enough in various programming languages. I don't see any relationship between those other kinds of calculations > and algebra or programming languages. It's because of my familiarity > of programming that I can't use those other calculators. RPN is completely algebraic to me. When calculating any equation, > you do the insides first with a heirarchy of operation. > Those non-RPN calculators are left to right with no push down list. > You mean the ones with algebraic notation and no parentheses? (Yes, they really exist.) Or with the (seemingly always) insufficiently deep nesting. I've exceeded 9 levels of parentheses with algebraic (left-to-right) entry, but I vaguely remember *once* exceeding a 4-level stack on an RPN calculator. I couldn't even tell you the circumstances. I might be misremembering -- or remembering an error I made. I get around the algebraic problems by (drum roll, please) working from the inside out and either using stored memory locations or writing down the intermediate results. I also claim that anyone who can actually use an algebraic calculator for difficult calculations (like mortgage payment calculations) does the equivalent (well, maybe not, since it can be done with about 5 levels of parentheses). But after a while, you forget which level of parentheses you're in, so you have to be making notes of some sort on a sheet of paper. Oh, I forgot algebraic notation but no algebraic hierarchy. So 1+2*3=9. Aaaaaauuuuuuuggggggghhhhhhhhh! Usually with no parentheses. Jon Miller ==== rearrange it until you have something that depends on x & y and sqrt(1+x) = sqrt(1+px) square it the l.h.s. will have sqrt(1+x) in it. Isolate it and square again. I think you will then be left with a quadrative in x which you can solve. I'm constructing an algorithm to generate the harmonic series of a > musical instrument. I've been butting my head with this equation > which I have to invert, but I've had no luck so far: y(x) = (1 + sqrt(1 + px)) / (1 + sqrt(1 + x)) where 0 < p < 1. So the problem is to turn x into a function of y. I get the feeling this is either trivial and I've missed something > obvious, or it cannot be done analytically in a closed form. > -Alistair ==== hot-girl escribi.97 en el mensaje > a sphere : x^2 + (y-2)^2 + (z-3)^2 =1 let point p : when tangent line of sphere pass on (0,0,c) is meet x-y > plane, the point of contact is named p let c1,c2 : value c that trace of p satify parabola. solve that c1+c2 ?? ------------------------------------- i will regard it as difficult...... help me....my genius teacher.... i wait your ultra power advice. thank sir. Actually is is easy ... What surface descrive the tangent line throw (0, 0, c)? What type of sections produce a plane in that surface? When this section ia a parabola? Note that the tangent line can meet the x-y plane on the side of the sphere or on the side of point (0, 0, c). -- Ignacio Larrosa Ca.96estro A Coru.96a (Espa.96a) ilarrosaQUITARMAYUSCULAS@mundo-r.com ==== good advice....good teacher... ==== I am looking for some old HP calculators like HP 41CV, HP 41CX, HP >> 71B, HP 15C, HP 16C, HP 67 and any others in the 1980's era...If you I have an HP55 and no, I'm not selling. >Bought it in 1975 and it still works :-) > http://www.dotpoint.com/xnumber/hp55.htm I would like to point out that this is a rarity in sci.math: > a thread in which people wax eloquent about calculators. In my personal experience, I have seen calculators be useful at work for 1. simple arithmetic which involves too many digits to be fun or interesting > 2. repetitive specialized calculations (e.g. a banker will use a calculator > which can compute effective interest rates on a loan or investment). Anything simpler people do by hand and anything more complex uses a computer. > In short: it always seemed to me that almost no one would use a calculator > as a regular part of their job except for situations #1 and #2. But here I now read that people are indeed very attached to their > calculators, and so I am very curious: What do you use them for? > I would be especially interested to discover any professional uses for > the graphing and symbolic calculators (my impression so far has been > that no one uses them except high school teachers and their students). In particular, if anyone has ever denied employment to an applicant > because he or she was found not to have the necessary competence with > calculators, that would be information I ought to have. My HP-55 was my first exposure to programming ( I was 19 back then in 1975). It was love at first sight - although it had only 50 steps. It was the best toy I ever had. In university I used it for astronomy, geodesy and physics courses. In the first year we were forced to use log and trig tables for the exam problems. The next year we were allowed to use a calculator, but then the problems suddenly turned out to be purely theoretical. I used it to calculate graphs for functions for the drawings I used to make on the left side of my notes. We were and still are inseparable ;-) few years ago (with some extra features not present on the original): http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Stuff/HP-55.jpg Dirk Vdm ==== Corolllary of: http://www.bearnol.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Math/psq.htm ==== Hmm.. You claim that hcf (pm, p(m+M)) = hcf (pm, M). Let's take n = 8, m = 2, M = 12, pm = 3, p(m+M) = 2. Now hcf(pm, p(m+M)) = hcf(3, 2) = 1, and hcf(pm, M) = hcf(3, 12) = 3, and where I come from 1 != 3. As this statement is completely false, I don't see how the rest of the argument is to hold together. Perhaps you meant to make some stipulations on the choices of pm. If so, what are they? ==== sets of 10 as hard copy posters. However, I am now offering them on a CD. The images still measure 8 x 11-1/2 inches, same size as the posters. If you get a chance, please visit my website, where every poster is available to see (as a thumbnail). The URL is at http://www.mathisradical.com/Catalog.htm I'm not a professional sales person, just a math teacher who came up with a product that fits a need in a mathematics classroom. They are inexpensive and useful. I also have a free newsletter that includes lesson plans, biographies of mathematicians and Black Line Masters for your classroom. Sincerely, Kavon Rueter kavon@mathisradical.com http://www.mathisradical.com ==== >I'm not a professional sales person, just a math teacher who came up with a >product that fits a need in a mathematics classroom. Of course you're not professional. Someone who was professional would realize that posting the exact same message in the same newsgroup mere days apart would be spamming. Doug ==== How sweet of you to notice! Kavon I'm not a professional sales person, just a math teacher who came up with a >product that fits a need in a mathematics classroom. Of course you're not professional. Someone who was professional would > realize that posting the exact same message in the same newsgroup > mere days apart would be spamming. Doug <1xUcb.14254$O85.6040@pd7tw1no> <3f79e264$7$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net> <3f82ebb8$3$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net> <3f8c413c$18$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net> X-Cise: tanbanso@iinet.net.au X-CompuServe-Customer: Yes X-Coriate: admin@interspeed.co.nz X-Ecrate: tanandtanlawyers.com X-Punge: Micro$oft X-Terminate: SPA(GIS) ==== >You have a point, two points actually, but I did not say that proof >is a mathematical concept, talk about are Mathematical concepts. >Any that follow from the definition of natural number I give below. You don't give a definition. You list a few names of natural numbers, and mention the successor function. And you certainly haven't answered my question as to what properties you believe they have that do not follow from the Peano postulates. >In some cases it is easy to tell; Then tell. >In his paper G.9adel showed how, for any sound formal system for >natural numbers (that is, one in which all provable statements are >true), The word true in that context is a technical term quite different from what is generally understood by true. >This is false. Incorrect. >G.9adel showed how to find true statements about >natural numbers not provable from the (first-order) Peano >Postulates. He showed to to prove additional theorems by adjoining to the Peano Postulates an additional axiom, essentially asserting that the Peano Postulates were consistent. >I do not know what you mean by a metaphysical concept. Things that you talk about without ever defining or characterising in a precise enough fashion to allow rational discourse. >The natural >numbers are the numbers >0, 1, 2, 3, 4, .... >When spelled out this becomes >0, s(0), s(s(0)), s(s(s(0))), s(s(s(s(0)))), ... . That's not a definition. That doesn't even say that they obey the Peano Postulates. >Natural numbers are perfectly well-defined, despite the fact that >they cannot be axiomatised in a first-order system. Then define them. >There is nothing strange about natural numbers. There is nothing strange about oranges, either, but that doesn't make them apples. >We encounter them every day. In isolation. We do not encounter The Naturals every day; in particular, we do not encounter induction. >Your use of the word mathematics is non-standard. No. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT not reply to spamtrap@library.lspace.org ==== >In his paper G.9adel showed how, for any sound formal system for >natural numbers (that is, one in which all provable statements are >true), The word true in that context is a technical term quite different > from what is generally understood by true. Different how? ==== Working on a research project and can't find the specific equations we're looking for. Given a hyperbolic paraboloid (HP) rotated 45 Deg. such that two planes of symmetry are y=+-x, the equation is z=xy: (1) We're looking for the equation of an HP rotated as described above having a parabola with the equation 12x^2-3x+2 above the line y=x, and a parabola with the equation -12x^2 +2 below the line y=-x. (2) What method should be used to find the equation of the hyperbola created by the intersecting plane z=k? (3) We're having trouble finding resources, text books and publications of any type dealing with the specific equations of rotated HP's...can you point us in the right direction? Specific sites, publications, or people you might know? Any and all help appreciated! Morgan and Brian ==== Suppose you have *any* three-dimensional figure given as a relationship between x, y, and z, and you want to rotate it, say, around the Z axis, counterclockwise, by an angle of t. Then all you have to do is rotate each individual point, and the entire thing will be rotated. Imagine a point (x, y, z). Rotating around the Z axis will not raise or lower the point, so just think about the (x, y) part for a minute. Imagine it on the plane, with the line segment from the origin to (x,y) drawn in. Then imagine a circle centered at the origin with this segment as its radius. Call the radius r (equal to sqrt(x^2 + y^2)), and the angle, measured counterclockwise from the positive X axis (equal to arctan (y/x)) t1. Then from trigonometry we have x = r cos t1 and y = r sin t1. Now you just want to replace x and y with their rotated equivalents, so if we're rotating an angle of t to the left, we want x' = r cos (t1 + t) and y' = r sin (t1 + t). But recalling the trig identities: sin (s + p) = sin s cos p + cos s sin p cos (s + p) = cos s cos p ö sin s sin p We have x' = r cos(t1 + t) = r (cos t1 cos t - sin t1 sin t) = (r cos t1) cos t - (r sin t1) sin t = x cos t - y sin t y' = r sin(t1 + t) = r (sin t1 cos t + cos t1 sin t) = (r sin t1) cos t + (r cos t1) sin t = y cos t + x sin t z' = z (since rotating around the Z axis doesn't raise or lower the point) So, saying that your equation was z = xy, then after rotating around the Z axis by an angle of t, just plug in x' for x, y' for y and z' for z, and your equation becomes z = (x cos t - y sin t)(y cos t + x sin t) z = (sin t cos t) x^2 + (cos^2 t - sin^2 t) xy - (sin t cos t) y^2. Don't be scared by the trig functions; they all depend just on t, so once you choose t the equation just looks like, say, z = ax^2 + bxy + ay^2 for two numbers a and b. Also, when the figure moves, it takes its lines of symmetry with it -- If your lines of symmetry were y = x and y = -x, now they are y cos t + x sin t = x cos t - y sin t and y cos t + x sin t = y sin t - x cos t But these can be reduced to y (sin t + cos t) = x (cos t - sin t) and y (sin t - cos t) = x (sin t + cos t). Now, of course, there are two other kinds of rotation -- rotation about the Y and Z axes. However, these have pretty much the same equations, so you can figure them out yourselves. Now all rotations can be made up of a rotation in the X direction, another in the Y direction, and another in the Z direction. If you want to find the intersection of a plane with a hyperbola, just set them equal to each other. I.e. if the plane is z = k and the hyperbola is z = xy, then k = xy, or in other words, y = k/x. Hyperbolas can be rotated in exactly the same manner as three-dimensional shapes -- a rotation around the Z-axis in 3d is the same as a rotation about the origin in 2d. Sorry if this is kind of hard to read, but it's hard to teach what would basically be a couple of weeks in a high-school analytic information, look up information about rotating conics in any analytic geometry book. > Working on a research project and can't find the specific equations > we're looking for. Given a hyperbolic paraboloid (HP) rotated 45 Deg. such that two > planes of symmetry are y=+-x, the equation is z=xy: (1) We're looking for the equation of an HP rotated as described above > having a parabola with the equation 12x^2-3x+2 above the line y=x, and > a parabola with the equation -12x^2 +2 below the line y=-x. (2) What method should be used to find the equation of the hyperbola > created by the intersecting plane z=k? (3) We're having trouble finding resources, text books and > publications of any type dealing with the specific equations of > rotated HP's...can you point us in the right direction? Specific > sites, publications, or people you might know? Any and all help appreciated! Morgan and Brian ==== Suppose you have a device that will show a value M such that M ~ N( 230, 0.023 ). What is the probability that we get value of 230.3 or less? Well, simply P(M < 230.3) gives me around 0.500 (Mathematica). On the other hand, i tried to standarize the variable and got: x = (230.3-230)/sqrt(.023) = 1.978 P(Z < 1.978) = 0.976 I can't explain the large difference between those two. Also, i can not really decide which one is correct (if any). what do you think? -- Kindly Konrad --------------------------------------------------- May all spammers die an agonizing death; have no burial places; their souls be chased by demons in Gehenna from one room to another for all eternity and more. Sleep - thing used by ineffective people as a substitute for coffee Ambition - a poor excuse for not having enough sence to be lazy --------------------------------------------------- ==== >Suppose you have a device that will show a value M such that >M ~ N( 230, 0.023 ). What is the probability that we get value >of 230.3 or less? >Well, simply P(M < 230.3) gives me around 0.500 (Mathematica). >On the other hand, i tried to standarize the variable and got: >x = (230.3-230)/sqrt(.023) = 1.978 >P(Z < 1.978) = 0.976 N(230, 0.023) means normal distribution with expectation 230 and variance 0.023. Whatever Mathematica gives you is wrong as it appears you didn't give it the correct variance. You can estimate the sensibility of the result by looking at the standard deviation, sqrt(0.023) ~= 0,152. Your value is about +2*sigma away from the expectation, so it's more than 95% of the distribution. This agrees with your calculations. ==== >Suppose you have a device that will show a value M such that >M ~ N( 230, 0.023 ). What is the probability that we get value >of 230.3 or less? >Well, simply P(M < 230.3) gives me around 0.500 (Mathematica). >On the other hand, i tried to standarize the variable and got: >x = (230.3-230)/sqrt(.023) = 1.978 >P(Z < 1.978) = 0.976 I can't explain the large difference between those two. Also, i can >not really decide which one is correct (if any). what do you think? > Haven't done the calculations, but your second caculation is more likely to be correct. I suspect you did not enter the formula correctly in Mathematica. -- Stephen J. Herschkorn herschko@rutcor.rutgers.edu ==== > Suppose you have a device that will show a value M such that > M ~ N( 230, 0.023 ). What is the probability that we get value > of 230.3 or less? > Well, simply P(M < 230.3) gives me around 0.500 (Mathematica). > On the other hand, i tried to standarize the variable and got: > x = (230.3-230)/sqrt(.023) = 1.978 > P(Z < 1.978) = 0.976 I can't explain the large difference between those two. Also, i can > not really decide which one is correct (if any). what do you think? Basic sanity check here: can you *really* believe that the probability of a value greater than almost 2 standard deviations above the mean is nearly 50%? That's not even mathematically possible (Chebyshev's inequality says that regardless of the distribution, at most 1/4 of it can lie two or more sds from the mean). ==== >> M ~ N( 230, 0.023 ) >> P(M < 230.3) = 0.500 (Mathematica) >> x = (230.3-230)/sqrt(.023) = 1.978 >> P(Z < 1.978) = 0.976 > Can you *really* believe that the probability of a value greater > than almost 2 standard deviations above the mean is nearly 50%? Yes, i can, but that's depending on the fact that i've been studying statistics for 6 weeks this far. :) I didn't think of what you mentioned, due to my ignorance. I will, -- Kindly Konrad --------------------------------------------------- May all spammers die an agonizing death; have no burial places; their souls be chased by demons in Gehenna from one room to another for all eternity and more. Sleep - thing used by ineffective people as a substitute for coffee Ambition - a poor excuse for not having enough sence to be lazy --------------------------------------------------- ==== > And it's raised to a power. Once you relax that you a) lose your > proof of the Erdos-Selfridge theorem and b) have a meaningless > result. Among all the (finitely many) prime factors, surely there > has to be a largest one. That's not news. D. Cool ==== Thursday February 24th 2000 55/311 15712 I woke up remembering a dream of 3 nubile sweeties, when they saw me they started running towards me. I felt threatened and started to run away but they were younger and more athletic and caught up to me quickly. One then pointed to a poster on a pole and asked that I read it. I'm not entirely sure about the contents of the poster, but was left with the impression it had to do with phallic whoreship in the Catholic and Protestant churches. Then in the evening I went to Better Tart's Cafe on the second floor of the Bayside mall and Jill provided stats while waitressing there. 54+ Dad 13 4 /262 54+ Mom 25 2 56/ 54+ Bro 17 1 77 17/348 7274 145 Jill 2 4 80 93/273 8445 Jillian 67 Rae 24 Huber 54 Leviticus begins with 17 verses and terminates at chapter 117 with 17+17 verses. There are 17 verses at chapters 1 and 3, and 59 (the 17 prime) verses at chapter 13, so the 17's and the 17th prime are at chapter numbers adding to 17 (1+3+13=17). The first 17 versed chapters in the Bible are at chapters 91 and 93, together for 184, or the 167 verses of Book 17 plus 17 more. Leviticus contains 859 verses, it ends in 59 (the 17th prime). The first 17's in the Bible surround chapter 92 (the 4x17th non-prime): Leviticus --------- 91 1 17 92 2 <-68th (4x17th) non-prime 93 3 17 94 4 95 5 96 6 97 7 98 8 99 9 100 10 101 11 102 12 103 13 59 <-17th prime 104 14 105 15 106 16 107 17 108 18 109 19 110 20 111 21 112 22 113 23 114 24 115 25 116 26 117 27 34 <-17+17 Brother was born on day 17, Jill on day 93 corresponding to Leviticus 3 with 17 verses. Leviticus 3 is the second chapter to contain the length of 17 verses while Jill is the second kid. The second kid was born on the 2nd day of the month and on the 2x2x2x2x2x2x2x229th day of the century. Jill was born a multiple of 128 days into the century (2 to the 7th), and her 145 name is 128 short of the 273 days remaining in the year after her birth. She has a 7 lettered first name adding to 67, corresponding to Exodus 17 (the 7th prime). Her brother was born on the 17th (7th prime) day of the month in year '77. Her parents were likely born on days of the year adding to 159, it's Book 7's 618 verses short of 777, and is the 7x7th prime (227) minus the 7x7th non-prime (68). Jill's parents were together born with 571 or 572 days remaining in their years. The kids were born in years adding to 157. The family was born on days of the month adding to 57. Likely mom was born on day 103 and so the family was born on days of the year adding to 269 (the 57th prime). Bible Chapter 57 and Book 57 both contain 25 verses while mom was born on the 25th. This 57 is the 41st non-prime while 41 in turn is the 13th prime, while dad was born on the 13th. The vowels in Jill's given names add with their positions for 57. The vowels in her given names add to the 25 verses of chapter 57 and Book 57. In her given names, her consonants exceed her vowels by 41 (57 is the 41st non-prime). Her given names add to 67 and 24, corresponding to Exodus 17 and Genesis 24, together for 41 (57 is the 41st non-prime). Her names add to 67, 24 and 54, these chapters in Genesis and Exodus together contain 114 (57+57) verses. 389 <-77th prime 104 <-77th non-prime 77 <-77 --- 570 The Four 57's Genesis 41 -> 41 Leviticus 14 -> 104 Judges 9 -> 220 <-I dreamt of 220 roofs blown John 11 -> 1008 off homes in the Dakotas ---- 1373 <-220th prime Chapter 57 is Exodus 7 with 25 verses Book 57 is Philemon with 25 verses -- -- 41st non-prime 16th non-prime <-together for 57-> Major Books of End-Times Prophecy (Daniel and Revelation are in part about 666 while Isaiah contains 66 chapters): Daniel - 357 verses Revelation - 404 verses <-57 plus the 57th prime plus the 57th non-prime Isaiah - 1292 verses <-an average of 19.575757... verses per chapter Dad was born on the 13th, the last name adds to 54 (13 plus the 13th prime, the opening length of Book 13, and Book 54 contains 113 verses). Jill 's given names add to 91 (1 through 13). Her first name exceeds her last name by 13. Jill has no letters in proper alphabetical order while only the 13th letter of her name is in reverse alphabetical order. She was born 355 and 37 days after her parent's birthdays, corresponding to First Chronicles 17 and Genesis 37, together for her 54 valued last name. Primes Non-Primes Fibonacci Lucas 2 1 0 1 3 4 1 3 5 6 1 4 7 8 2 7 11 9 3 11 13 10 5 18 17 12 8 29 19 14 13 47 23 15 21 76 29 16 34 123 31 18 55 199 37 20 89 322 41 <-13th-> 21 <-13th-> 144 <-13th-> 521 --- --- 238 154 <-Lamentations Jill adds to 43 (14th prime). Her given names differ in value by 43 (14th prime). Her initials add to the 36 chapters of Book 14. She was born an average of 14x14 days after her parent's birthdays. The kids were born 998 days after their parent's birthdays, it's the opening chapter of Bible Book 43 (Gospel John, 14th prime). Primes In Prime Primes Positions 1 2 2 3 <- 3 3 5 <- 5 4 7 5 11 <- 11 6 13 7 17 <- 17 8 19 9 23 10 29 11 31 <- 31 12 37 13 41 <- 41 --- 108 The parents were born in months adding to 6. Dad was born on the 13th (6th prime), mom was born on day 56 (Exodus 6). Jill is 66 inches tall. Her middle name adds the 24 chapters of Book 6. In her given names, her consonants add to 66 and exceed the vowels by 41 (the 6th prime in prime position). Her letters in odd/odd even/even harmony add together with their positions for 66. The kids were born an average of 317 days after dad's birthdays (the 66th prime). We meet on the 24th (Book 6). Jillian adds to 67 (the 19th prime), her parents were born on days of the month averaging 19. Dad was likely born on day 103... the parents were born on days 103 and 56, these are the 27th prime and 40th non-prime, together for 67. Her first name adds to 67, her middle name adds to 24 (Genesis 24 with 67 verses). 187 Dar 17 2 57 48/317 00 Daryl 60 Shawn 65 Kabatoff 62 187 Marcia 6 8 80 219/147 8571 Marcia 45 Veronica 87 Acevedo 55 208 Jill 2 4 80 93/273 8445 Jillian 67 Rae 24 Acevedo-Kabatoff 55-62 Anyway, if you people think that you have the right to use my abusive parents as tools and arrest and torture me, then I think that I should have the right to ask women to marry me, or to marry Marcia and me, our last names add together for the 117 verses of Song of Solomon, it's the Bible's Book of Love. The nubile sweety was born on the 6th and has a 6 lettered first name). Isaiah is the Book with 66 chapters, pretty as it is Book 23, or the 6th prime plus the 6th non-prime (13+10=23). Isaiah 4, 12 and 20 (adds to 6x6) each contains 6 verses. Isaiah 4:1 is about Marcia (and me), and 6 other women who are capable of feeling shame rather than pride, greed or lust, or who limit their love for traditions and for people who abide by their traditions. You people have Egyptian penises on the roofs of your churches and lined city streets with representations of penises, and had me tortured for years for saying so, others just sat back in silence while they were doink this to me, and similarly you remain silent and compassionless now that the arrests and torture have ceased. Should Jill marry me, great, but if Marcia marries me and then Jill marries Marcia and me, then Jill's brother is goink to win himself a shiny new Cadillac!!! Good luck and may God bless you!!! Daryl Shawn Kabatoff Box 7134 Saskatoon Saskatchewan Canada S7K 4J1 Isaiah 45:4, Ephesians 3:15 - God gives you your name!!! What a wonderful weddink there will be What a wonderful day for you and me Church bells will chime You will be mine In apple blossom time... ==== >Thursday February 24th 2000 55/311 15712 I woke up remembering a dream of 3 nubile sweeties, when they saw me they >started running towards me. I felt threatened and started to run away but >they were younger and more athletic and caught up to me quickly. One then >pointed to a poster on a pole and asked that I read it. I'm not entirely >sure about the contents of the poster, but was left with the impression it >had to do with phallic whoreship in the Catholic and Protestant churches. << The following (courtesy of Waxy.org) is sort of an unofficial FAQ explaining the psychotic nonsense posted to Usenet by Shawn Daryl Kabatoff AKA Dar, AKA Probababbilities. And now AKA marcia and me. WARNING: Read below before even thinking about responding to this twit. http://www.waxy.org/archive/2002/05/21/dar_kaba.shtml#000643 Usenet has the tendency to provide a public forum for those who would normally be scribbling in a closet. For example, take Daryl Shawn Kabatoff. For the last few years, he's methodically gathered statistics from various sources, ranging from local newspaper obituary pages to the food court of the Saskatoon Midtown Plaza mall. With all the raw data he's collected, he's attempting to prove daily that our full names are in mathematical harmony with our birthdays. about, starting with calculations related to their birthdate and full names, blending in whatever other personal information about their family members, spouses, birthplace, and career he's been able to zealotry, and personal torment. I've never seen anything like it. With all the prime numbers, Fibonacci sequences and biblical references, it's like reading the notebooks of Maximillian Cohen and John Nash combined. Unsurprisingly, several posts unfold to reveal a history of painful mental illness. If you have some time, take a look. I've detailed his posting history and a several sample posts below. January 27, 1999 to July 5, 2000 as Catsco@home.com December 9, 2000 to May 4, 2001 as s.kabatoff@sk.sympatico.ca Oct 30, 2001 to Oct 31, 2001 as kabatoff@the.link.ca posts have been removed from Google Groups archive) Selected Posts: Tessa Lynne Smith Dastageer Sakhizai and Helen Smith Brett David Maki Andrew Meredith Cotton Amanda Dawn Newton Mona Marie Etcheverry Tony Peter Nuspl Lisa Charlene McMillan Grant Allyn Wood Comments scarier still is that saskatoon is my hometown, though not my current residence. and every single place he's mentioned in his posts (most notably nervous harold's and the roastary) were either places i've been (as it's a small city of 200K) or hangouts, ie. the two places out if they know of him, they (my friends that is) being of the broadway-centred slacker ilk. myself, too, until i got out of there. eh, anyways. thought it odd to see all this. midtown mall. i ate my meals there, whilst waiting several days in line for star wars episode one, at the theatre across the street. posted by andy raad on May 22, 2002 06:20 PM Fascinating. It's like he's trying to take chaos and bind it into whatever rules he can find, religious, logical and otherwise. Numbers and math have a reliable pattern, something that can always be proven to true or false. People and religion do not. It reminds me of Darren Aronofsky's movie Pi. It's the story of an paraniod genius who is trying to find a pattern in Pi. A group that takes interest in his work is convinced that the existence of Pi, a number whose existence can be proven but no quantified, is proof of the existence of God. Kabatoff's hunt for patterns in something as random as name selection is a way to reconcile his deeply logical thought process with his conflicting religious views. posted by matt on May 23, 2002 11:19 AM asking him if he'd be willing to create a numerological analysis for me. I also asked him if he had seen either Pi or A Beautiful Mind, and what he thought of them. If he replies, I'll be sure to post it. posted by Andy Baio on May 23, 2002 11:24 AM I baked many pumpkin pies for Shawn (he likes pumpkin pies). I rubbed pumpkin pie all over my breasts for him, and my breasts turned orange. I am a pumpkin for Shawn. posted by Trisha Blondie on July 24, 2002 10:41 PM Um, that's swell. So, you're in love with him? posted by Andy Baio on July 25, 2002 07:10 AM Shawn once went to a funeral for a Jehovah Witness that shot himself and the lemon tarts were very bad, they were not only sour but were rubbery as well. Shawn said that the guy was some kind of Jehovah Witness prophet, he saw in advance that the lemon tarts at his funeral were to be very very bad, and so he shot himself. Shawn said that he never ate pumpkin pie at a funeral but would like to some day. Shawn likes pumpkin pie and so I have been practicing to make very good pumpkin pies. posted by Trisha Blondie on July 25, 2002 02:49 PM Shawn said that the lemon tarts were sour, bitter and rubbery. posted by Trisha Blondie on July 30, 2002 12:32 AM I don't think this guy takes notes. I think he has Total Recall, and it has driven him insane... posted by Todd Smith on December 26, 2002 11:00 AM Oh... I almost forgot... I didnt spend thousands of dollars a day tormenting Daryl... We got a deal on tormenting that fiscal year, it only came to about 37cents a day.... posted by Dr Claw on December 30, 2002 01:56 AM Mr. Kabatoff attempts to portray himself as a victim, but in fact he is a violent predatory pedophile who is well known to his local law enforcement. In his post to multiple newsgroups with the subject Collecting Mail For The Coming Anti-Christ, he encourages mothers to send him photos of their naked daughters. Mr Kabatoff explains, I Ant-Christ) that were of underage children unless the parent was signing consent. He is banned from virtually all the shopping malls in his community because he stalks young people and sexually harasses them. He has an extensive arrest record which includes sexual molestation charges. He's been hospitalized in mental institutions about his contact with young girls in many posts. Search newsgroup archives for posts by him containing the word nubile. As part of his harrassment, he provides personal details in a public forum, such as the real names of real children, in these and other posts. About one wanted her and her sister dead. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Daryl+Shawn+Kabatoff+dead+or+in+my+bed&hl= en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=asqm35%24tjq5j%241%40ID-136124.news.dfncis.de&rnu He not only curses children and prays for their death in his posts, he also enjoys attending the funerals of young people: And so, since nubile sweeties are found in greatest abundance at the funerals of high school students, then it is the funerals of high school students that make the very very best funerals, especially if there is food... I stuff my face (and my pockets) with all the good food and look at all the pretty nubile sweeties and have the time of my life.. .http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Daryl+Shawn+Kabatoff+nubile+sex&hl=en&l r=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=LfXN8.63042%24R53.25142039%40twister.socal.rr. com&rnum=1 Many of his posts are sent to alt.teens.advice. However, he liberally spams, floods and crossposts his off-topic threatening and offensive missives to countless newsgroups. Some people HAVE problems and some folks ARE problems. Don't dismiss Mr. Kabatoff as a harmless nut. When he sends these posts to any newgroup, please help by reporting him to I knew of him when I was attending the University of Saskatchewan. He'd hang out in the Arts computer lab and all you'd see is screens of numbers racing by on his laptop. I have an original copy of his Collecting Mail for the Coming Anti-Christ pamphlet, and have seen him be hauled away by campus security on more than one occasion. My friends and I refer to him as Crazy Number Man. I've been posting to (and about) Shawn for over two years with big gaps in between. He has seen Pi and didn't like it and didn't think it resembled him at all. (Wrong, it fits him to a tee) He doesn't have total recall and has stated that he travels with a lap top to notate items. Also, he uses cut n' paste a lot if you read all the way through his ramblings. He is anti-social as shown by his angry statements towards those who, by his own admission, have been kind (but not kind enough) to him. Still, he's intelligent and seems to be able to take a joke on occassion. That's where I came in. ALOHA if it comes from anyone not already in my addressbook. I'll never even see it) ==== Yes, I'm sure this is all worthwhile for those unfamiliar with DSK but do you have to reply to *ALL* his messages? Why not just one a day? -- Robin Chapman, www.maths.ex.ac.uk/~rjc/rjc.html Needless to say, I had the last laugh. Alan Partridge, _Bouncing Back_ (14 times) ==== Could you please check the following for me: What is the probability that a card selected from a deck is an ace or heart? The way I see it is 52/4 = 16 (hearts) plus 3 (the aces minus the heart) = 19 Answer is 52/19 = 2.73682 probability. ==== >Answer is 52/19 = 2.73682 probability. Can a probability be greater than one? Doug ==== In sci.math, jelly : > Could you please check the following for me: What is the probability that a card selected from a deck is an ace or > heart? The way I see it is 52/4 = 16 (hearts) plus 3 (the aces minus the > heart) = 19 Answer is 52/19 = 2.73682 probability. You're walking backwards with a defective calculator, but you're not off the path -- yet. :-) The standard way might be along the lines of: [1] Count the number of hearts. That's 13. [2] Count the number of aces. That's 4. [3] Count the number of aces of hearts. That's 1. [4] Count the number of cards: 52. [5] Compute the desired number of events out of all events: ace or heart is obviously 13 + 4 - 1 (we don't want to doublecount ace of hearts), out of 52, or 16/52 = 0.3077 = 30.77%. (Note that the events must be of equal probability. Since we're drawing a card from an unmarked deck this isn't a problem here, but some formulations of problems may not be so lucky.) Your next assignment: compute the probability of drawing a face card (JQK) or a heart. :-) Your answer should be 42.3%, with logic identical to the above except for changes to some of the cards to protect the innocent Queens. :-) -- #191, ewill3@earthlink.net -- which is why the Jacks always look excited :-) It's still legal to go .sigless. ==== > Could you please check the following for me: What is the probability that a card selected from a deck is an ace or > heart? The way I see it is 52/4 = 16 (hearts) plus 3 (the aces minus the > heart) = 19 Answer is 52/19 = 2.73682 probability. > First try to read your textbook where you will find that probability of an event by definition takes values in interval from 0 to 1. selecting heart is 13/52 and probability of ace heart is 1/52. What will be probability of event ace or heart ? Goran ==== Could you please check the following for me: What is the probability that a card selected from a deck is an ace or > heart? The way I see it is 52/4 = 16 (hearts) Check your division here. plus 3 (the aces minus the > heart) = 19 Answer is 52/19 = 2.73682 probability. Probabilities must be between 0 and 1. You did something (rather simple) wrong here. > Almost. Just two mistakes. ==== > Could you please check the following for me: What is the probability that a card selected from a deck is an ace or > heart? The way I see it is 52/4 = 16 (hearts) plus 3 (the aces minus the > heart) = 19 Answer is 52/19 = 2.73682 probability. > First of all, a suit has only 13 hearts, not 16. Sorry if I just broke three hearts; I'm a heart breaker :-) Secondly, probability is less than one. I get something like 16/52. -Michael. ==== H I L L 8 9 12 12 = 41 I went to Wash 'n Slosh. I was confused, somebody at the bar was pretty sure it was Thursday, I thought it was Tuesday but it was really Wednesday. And then it was Thursday when I got home. Probababbly there were witches in from Ottawa, I told him that I would tell our President Bush about him, and 182 Shawn 1 7 75 182/183 6708 187 Dar 17 2 57 48/317 00 Daryl 60 Shawn 65 Kabatoff 62 Shawn went to Wash 'n Slosh (lookink for wives for Marcia and me) and met Shawn, the feller has a nubile sister who is poised to be married. We were born in 57 and 75. Genesis 41, Leviticus 14, Judges 9 and John 11 contain the length of 57 verses, the chapter numbers add to 75. Shawn is 220 months and 12 days younger than me while I was born in 57, the 57's are at chapters 41, 104, 220 and 1008, together for 1373 (the 220th prime). 389 <-77th prime 104 <-77th non-prime 77 <-77 --- 570 The Four 57's Genesis 41 -> 41 Leviticus 14 -> 104 Judges 9 -> 220 <-I dreamt of 220 roofs blown John 11 -> 1008 off homes in the Dakotas ---- 1373 <-220th prime Chapter 57 is Exodus 7 with 25 verses Book 57 is Philemon with 25 verses -- -- 41st non-prime 16th non-prime <-together for 57-> Major Books of End-Times Prophecy (Daniel and Revelation are in part about 666 while Isaiah contains 66 chapters): Daniel - 357 verses Revelation - 404 verses <-57 plus the 57th prime plus the 57th non-prime Isaiah - 1292 verses <-an average of 19.575757... verses per chapter 145 Jill 2 4 80 93/273 8445 Jillian 67 Rae 24 Huber 54 Shawn is 958 weeks and 2 days, younger than me, chapter 958 is the 29th chapter of the New Testament. He was born on day 182 while his name adds to 182 (Deuteronomy 29 with 29 verses). Apparently Shawn and his parents were born on days of the month adding to 29 (10+18+1=29). Our waitress here tonite was Jill, her name adds to 145 (5x29). All she has to do is say that I am barred and I will go away. What's wrong with the youth of today? Lucas 1 3 4 7 11 18 29 -- 73 <-the Lucas numbers up to 29 add to the 73 verses of Bible Book 29 J O E L <-Bible Book 29 10 15 5 12 = 42 <-29th non-prime C O P P E R <-29th element 3 15 16 16 5 18 = 73 <-Book 29 and is the Lucas numbers up to 29, there is a copper riding a horse on the 1973 Canadian 25 cent piece C E N T <-made out of 29th element 3 5 14 20 = 42 <-29th non-prime 187 Dar 17 2 57 48/317 00 Daryl 60 Shawn 65 Kabatoff 62 187 Marcia 6 8 80 219/147 8571 Marcia 45 Veronica 87 Acevedo 55 208 Jill 2 4 80 93/273 8445 Jillian 67 Rae 24 Acevedo-Kabatoff 55-62 Anyway, if you people think that you have the right to use my abusive parents as tools and arrest and torture me, then I think that I should have the right to ask women to marry me, or to marry Marcia and me, our last names add together for the 117 verses of Song of Solomon, it's the Bible's Book of Love. The nubile sweety was born on the 6th and has a 6 lettered first name). Isaiah is the Book with 66 chapters, pretty as it is Book 23, or the 6th prime plus the 6th non-prime (13+10=23). Isaiah 4, 12 and 20 (adds to 6x6) each contains 6 verses. Isaiah 4:1 is about Marcia (and me), and 6 other women who are capable of feeling shame rather than pride, greed or lust, or who limit their love for traditions and for people who abide by their traditions. You people have Egyptian penises on the roofs of your churches and lined city streets with representations of penises, and had me tortured for years for saying so, others just sat back in silence while they were doing this to me, and similarly you remain silent and compassionless now that the arrests and torture have ceased. Should Shawn's sister marry me, great, but if Marcia marries me and then Shawn's sister marries Marcia and me (Isaiah 4:1), then Shawn is goink to win himself a shiny new Cadillac!!! Good luck and may God bless you!!! My advice to Shawn's sister is to not marry the jerk but to instead consider life with Marcia, (and Jill), and me. Daryl Shawn Kabatoff Box 7134 Saskatoon Saskatchewan Canada S7K 4J1 Isaiah 45:4, Ephesians 3:15 - God gives you your name!!! What a wonderful weddink there will be What a wonderful day for you and me Church bells will chime You will be mine In apple blossom time... ==== H I L L >8 9 12 12 = 41 I went to Wash 'n Slosh. I was confused, somebody at the bar was pretty >sure it was Thursday, I thought it was Tuesday but it was really Wednesday. >And then it was Thursday when I got home. Probababbly there were witches in >from Ottawa, I told him that I would tell our President Bush about him, and << The following (courtesy of Waxy.org) is sort of an unofficial FAQ explaining the psychotic nonsense posted to Usenet by Shawn Daryl Kabatoff AKA Dar, AKA Probababbilities. And now AKA marcia and me. WARNING: Read below before even thinking about responding to this twit. http://www.waxy.org/archive/2002/05/21/dar_kaba.shtml#000643 Usenet has the tendency to provide a public forum for those who would normally be scribbling in a closet. For example, take Daryl Shawn Kabatoff. For the last few years, he's methodically gathered statistics from various sources, ranging from local newspaper obituary pages to the food court of the Saskatoon Midtown Plaza mall. With all the raw data he's collected, he's attempting to prove daily that our full names are in mathematical harmony with our birthdays. about, starting with calculations related to their birthdate and full names, blending in whatever other personal information about their family members, spouses, birthplace, and career he's been able to zealotry, and personal torment. I've never seen anything like it. With all the prime numbers, Fibonacci sequences and biblical references, it's like reading the notebooks of Maximillian Cohen and John Nash combined. Unsurprisingly, several posts unfold to reveal a history of painful mental illness. If you have some time, take a look. I've detailed his posting history and a several sample posts below. January 27, 1999 to July 5, 2000 as Catsco@home.com December 9, 2000 to May 4, 2001 as s.kabatoff@sk.sympatico.ca Oct 30, 2001 to Oct 31, 2001 as kabatoff@the.link.ca posts have been removed from Google Groups archive) Selected Posts: Tessa Lynne Smith Dastageer Sakhizai and Helen Smith Brett David Maki Andrew Meredith Cotton Amanda Dawn Newton Mona Marie Etcheverry Tony Peter Nuspl Lisa Charlene McMillan Grant Allyn Wood Comments scarier still is that saskatoon is my hometown, though not my current residence. and every single place he's mentioned in his posts (most notably nervous harold's and the roastary) were either places i've been (as it's a small city of 200K) or hangouts, ie. the two places out if they know of him, they (my friends that is) being of the broadway-centred slacker ilk. myself, too, until i got out of there. eh, anyways. thought it odd to see all this. midtown mall. i ate my meals there, whilst waiting several days in line for star wars episode one, at the theatre across the street. posted by andy raad on May 22, 2002 06:20 PM Fascinating. It's like he's trying to take chaos and bind it into whatever rules he can find, religious, logical and otherwise. Numbers and math have a reliable pattern, something that can always be proven to true or false. People and religion do not. It reminds me of Darren Aronofsky's movie Pi. It's the story of an paraniod genius who is trying to find a pattern in Pi. A group that takes interest in his work is convinced that the existence of Pi, a number whose existence can be proven but no quantified, is proof of the existence of God. Kabatoff's hunt for patterns in something as random as name selection is a way to reconcile his deeply logical thought process with his conflicting religious views. posted by matt on May 23, 2002 11:19 AM asking him if he'd be willing to create a numerological analysis for me. I also asked him if he had seen either Pi or A Beautiful Mind, and what he thought of them. If he replies, I'll be sure to post it. posted by Andy Baio on May 23, 2002 11:24 AM I baked many pumpkin pies for Shawn (he likes pumpkin pies). I rubbed pumpkin pie all over my breasts for him, and my breasts turned orange. I am a pumpkin for Shawn. posted by Trisha Blondie on July 24, 2002 10:41 PM Um, that's swell. So, you're in love with him? posted by Andy Baio on July 25, 2002 07:10 AM Shawn once went to a funeral for a Jehovah Witness that shot himself and the lemon tarts were very bad, they were not only sour but were rubbery as well. Shawn said that the guy was some kind of Jehovah Witness prophet, he saw in advance that the lemon tarts at his funeral were to be very very bad, and so he shot himself. Shawn said that he never ate pumpkin pie at a funeral but would like to some day. Shawn likes pumpkin pie and so I have been practicing to make very good pumpkin pies. posted by Trisha Blondie on July 25, 2002 02:49 PM Shawn said that the lemon tarts were sour, bitter and rubbery. posted by Trisha Blondie on July 30, 2002 12:32 AM I don't think this guy takes notes. I think he has Total Recall, and it has driven him insane... posted by Todd Smith on December 26, 2002 11:00 AM Oh... I almost forgot... I didnt spend thousands of dollars a day tormenting Daryl... We got a deal on tormenting that fiscal year, it only came to about 37cents a day.... posted by Dr Claw on December 30, 2002 01:56 AM Mr. Kabatoff attempts to portray himself as a victim, but in fact he is a violent predatory pedophile who is well known to his local law enforcement. In his post to multiple newsgroups with the subject Collecting Mail For The Coming Anti-Christ, he encourages mothers to send him photos of their naked daughters. Mr Kabatoff explains, I Ant-Christ) that were of underage children unless the parent was signing consent. He is banned from virtually all the shopping malls in his community because he stalks young people and sexually harasses them. He has an extensive arrest record which includes sexual molestation charges. He's been hospitalized in mental institutions about his contact with young girls in many posts. Search newsgroup archives for posts by him containing the word nubile. As part of his harrassment, he provides personal details in a public forum, such as the real names of real children, in these and other posts. About one wanted her and her sister dead. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Daryl+Shawn+Kabatoff+dead+or+in+my+bed&hl= en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=asqm35%24tjq5j%241%40ID-136124.news.dfncis.de&rnu He not only curses children and prays for their death in his posts, he also enjoys attending the funerals of young people: And so, since nubile sweeties are found in greatest abundance at the funerals of high school students, then it is the funerals of high school students that make the very very best funerals, especially if there is food... I stuff my face (and my pockets) with all the good food and look at all the pretty nubile sweeties and have the time of my life.. .http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Daryl+Shawn+Kabatoff+nubile+sex&hl=en&l r=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=LfXN8.63042%24R53.25142039%40twister.socal.rr. com&rnum=1 Many of his posts are sent to alt.teens.advice. However, he liberally spams, floods and crossposts his off-topic threatening and offensive missives to countless newsgroups. Some people HAVE problems and some folks ARE problems. Don't dismiss Mr. Kabatoff as a harmless nut. When he sends these posts to any newgroup, please help by reporting him to I knew of him when I was attending the University of Saskatchewan. He'd hang out in the Arts computer lab and all you'd see is screens of numbers racing by on his laptop. I have an original copy of his Collecting Mail for the Coming Anti-Christ pamphlet, and have seen him be hauled away by campus security on more than one occasion. My friends and I refer to him as Crazy Number Man. I've been posting to (and about) Shawn for over two years with big gaps in between. He has seen Pi and didn't like it and didn't think it resembled him at all. (Wrong, it fits him to a tee) He doesn't have total recall and has stated that he travels with a lap top to notate items. Also, he uses cut n' paste a lot if you read all the way through his ramblings. He is anti-social as shown by his angry statements towards those who, by his own admission, have been kind (but not kind enough) to him. Still, he's intelligent and seems to be able to take a joke on occassion. That's where I came in. ALOHA if it comes from anyone not already in my addressbook. I'll never even see it) ==== S W I C K 19 23 9 3 11 = 65 Vanessa was the 10th of 17 people to provide stats today, she is the 14th cadet, Vanessa dothn't know dad's year of birth and says mom is 42 years old, so I am assuming that mom was born in 61. 65+ Dad 5 9 /117 65+ Mom 11 5 61 131/234 1544 65+ Sis 22 12 83 356/9 9804 192 Vanessa 18 1 87 18/347 10927 Vanessa 81 Marie 46 Swick 65 Mom was born in 61 (18th prime). Sister was born on day 356 (First Chronicles 18) while Vanessa (81) was born on the 18th. Together the sisters were born 18 days closer to the end of their years than to the beginning of their years. In Vanessa's given names, her consonants exceed her vowels by 61 (18th prime). The prime valued in Vanessa's given names add to 61 (18th prime). Now that mom sees this, she will want to put 18 extra blinkin' lights onto her tree while dad will go out and buy 18 beer and celebrate. Primes Non-Primes 2 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 11 9 13 10 17 12 19 14 23 15 29 16 31 18 37 20 41 21 43 22 47 24 53 25 59 26 61 <-18th-> 27 --- --- 501 278 Mom was born on the 11th day of the month and in 61 (Exodus 11), it's the 18th prime while 18 in turn is the 11th non-prime. Dad was born with 117 days remaining in the year, and Vanessa's prime valued letters add to the 117 verses of Bible Book 22 (11+11). Vanessa's first 11 letters add to twice 61 (Exodus 11). Vanessa's given names add to 127 (the 11th prime in prime position). Her name begins with the 22nd (11+11th) letter of the alphabet, Bible Book 11 contains 22 (11+11) chapters and 11x11 more verses than Bible Book 10. The represented letters in Vanessa's given names add to 101 (Leviticus 11). The prime valued letters in her given names add to 61 (Exodus 11). She has 11 different letters in her full name. Her vowels add to 31 (11th prime). Her last 11 letters add to 112, her last two names add to 111. Her first 11 and last 11 letters average the 117 verses of Bible Book 22 (11+11). Mom took the tree home and saw that it was lopsided, so she put it in the corner and hung most lights and the 11 candy canes on one side of the tree, and when she was done with it, it looked pretty good. Primes Non-Primes Fibonacci Lucas 2 1 0 1 3 4 1 3 5 6 1 4 7 8 2 7 11 9 3 11 13 10 5 18 17 12 8 29 19 14 13 47 23 15 21 76 29 16 34 123 31 <-11th-> 18 <-11th-> 55 <-11th-> 199 --- --- --- --- 160 113 143 518 Swick is a 5 lettered name adding to 65 (a multiple of 5). Dad was born on the 5th day of the 9th (5th non-prime) month, Bible Book 5 contains 959 verses. Mom was born on the 11th (5th prime) day of the 5th month. Dad and the kids were born on days of the month adding to 45 (5 times the 5th non-prime). Vanessa and her parents were born on days of the month adding to the 34 chapters of Bible Book 5. Mom and the kids were born on days of the week adding to 11 (5th prime). The kids were born on days of the year averaging 187, it's the terminating chapter of Bible Book 5 (it is 5x5x5 plus twice the 5th prime in prime position). Vanessa adds to 81, it is 9x9 (the 5th non-prime squared) and is Exodus 31 (the 5th prime in prime position). Her given names add together for 127 (the 31st prime while 31 is the 11th prime while 11 is the 5th prime). Her full name adds to 192 (Joshua 5). Her middle name adds to 46, it's the 32nd non-prime (while 32 is 2 to the 5th). The family was born on days of the month adding to 56 (the first 5 primes plus the first 5 non-primes). The first of the kids was born in 83 (the number of verses in Bible Book 55). The family was born on days and in months adding to 83 (the number of verses in Bible Book 55). The kids were born on days 256 and 18, the latter is 5.05% of the former. Mom and the kids were born on days of the year adding to 505. Dad will again want a 5 foot tall tree this year but mom will beat him to it and go out and buy a substantially taller tree again this year. Primes Non-Primes 2 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 11 <-5th-> 9 -- -- 28 28 Dad was born with 117 days remaining in the year while mom was born with 234 (117+117) days remaining in the year, there are 117 verses in Bible Book 22 Song while the first was born on the 22nd and is now 234 (117+117) months and 11 days old. The kids were born in years adding to 170 (Deuteronomy 17). In Vanessa's given names, her repeated letters add to 51 (3x17) while her unrepeated letters add to 76 (17 plus the 17th prime), corresponding to Exodus 26 (the 17th non-prime). This year mom will insist on a 7 foot tall tree with 17 blinkin' blue lights and 17 blinkin' purple lights, and with 17 blinkin' yellow lights. And then the sisters will giggle with glee as they hang 170 little golden cowbells on the tree that mom lit. Primes In Prime Primes Positions 1 2 2 3 <- 3 3 5 <- 5 4 7 5 11 <- 11 6 13 7 17 <- 17 8 19 9 23 10 29 11 31 <- 31 12 37 13 41 <- 41 14 43 15 47 16 53 17 59 <- 59 --- 167 Esther Book 17 Swick adds to 65, or the 14th prime plus the 14th non-prime. Mom was born on day 131 (Numbers 14). Mom was born 14.71 weeks closer to the beginning of the year than to the end of the year. The parents were born in months adding to 14, the family was born on days of the month averaging 14. Mom was 22 years old when she first gave birth (14th non-prime), Bible Book 14 contains 822 verses and 36 (14 plus the 14th non-prime) chapters. Vanessa's 192 valued name averages with her 18th day of birth for 105 (1 through 14 and is the first 14 primes minus the first 14 non-primes). Mom first gave birth 225 days after her birthday (Judges 14). I am 1400 weeks and 4 days older than the first. Dad will put some blinkin' lights on the evergreen trees outside in the yard, between the home and the cabin at the lake they will turn 14 trees into decorated idols. And they will go to church and comment on the beauty of the decorated trees there, there will be a tree by the front door of the church, a tree to admire next to the pulpit and a tree in the basement to see after the service and during tea, coffee, cookies and hot-cross buns (bread is made into the symbol of the sun). Primes Non-Primes Fibonacci Lucas 2 1 0 1 3 4 1 3 5 6 1 4 7 8 2 7 11 9 3 11 13 10 5 18 17 12 8 29 19 14 13 47 23 15 21 76 29 16 34 123 31 18 55 199 37 20 89 322 41 21 144 521 43 <-14th-> 22 <-14th-> 233 <-14th-> 843 --- --- --- ---- 281 176 609 2204 The kids were together born 243 days further into their years than mom (First Samuel 7). The kids were together born 477 days after mom's birthdays. Mom and the kids were born in years averaging 77. Vanessa has a 7 lettered first name, she has 17 letters in all (7th prime, the primes up to 7 add to 17). Vanessa's 7 unrepeated letters add to 104 (77th non-prime). It means that Vanessa will smoke the Number 7 brand of cigarettes, and will smoke only 7 cigarettes on average when she goes to parties, and will endevor to poke 7 extra holes into her head. And for the Love of God, mom will strive to get the lights on the tree to blink 777 times each hour. 2 4 8 3 9 27 4 16 64 5 25 125 6 36 216 7 49 343 8 64 512 ------------- 35 203 1295 <-together for the 1533 verses of Genesis Mom is 42 years old (29th non-prime), Bible Book 29 is Joel (42). A cent (42) is made out of the 29th element. Mom was born in 61, the kids in years adding to 170, it's a difference of 109 (29th prime), and I am 10927 days older than Vanessa, pretty as 109 is the 29th prime, it's 29 years 11 months and a day. Mom and Vanessa were born on days of the month adding to 29. They were born on days 5, 11, 22 and 18, together these Bible Books contain 2962 verses. Vanessa was born on the 18th, corresponding to Job with 42 chapters (29th non-prime). The kids are separated by 1123 days, corresponding to First Timmy 4, pretty as The Timmy's are Book 54 and 55, together for 109 (the 29th prime). Vanessa's Fibonacci valued letters add to 29. The kids were born on days 22 and 18, these elements have atomic masses adding together for 87.815, pretty as 87 is 29+29+29 while 815 is the first 29 primes minus the first 29 non-primes. I meet Vanessa with 182 days remaining in the year (Deuteronomy 29 with 29 verses). This means that mom bought the tree early this year and kept it up in the living room until March 14th, the damn thing was on display for 109 days (the 29th prime). Then she took 29 colored eggs to the church's Easter dinner (pagan fertility symbols like the Egyptian penises on the roof of your churches). Lucas 1 3 4 7 11 18 29 -- 73 <-the Lucas numbers up to 29 add to the 73 verses of Bible Book 29 J O E L <-Bible Book 29 10 15 5 12 = 42 <-29th non-prime C O P P E R <-29th element 3 15 16 16 5 18 = 73 <-Book 29 and is the Lucas numbers up to 29, there is a copper riding a horse on the 1973 Canadian 25 cent piece C E N T <-made out of 29th element 3 5 14 20 = 42 <-29th non-prime There 29 chapters in Bible Book 13 (6th prime) and 29 verses in chapter 666, pretty as 29 is 6 plus the 6th prime (13) plus the 6th non-prime (10). The kids were born on days of the week adding to 6. Mom and Vanessa were born on days of the week adding to 6 and mom and the sister were born on days of the week adding to 10 (6th non-prime). Mom and Vanessa were born an average of 216 (6x6x6) days closer to the beginning of the year than to the end of the year. Vanessa and I were born on days of the year adding to 66. It all means that they honored traditions in place of Commandments and increased the risk of putting their kids into 6 foot boxes (Hosea 4:6). 1-50 - Genesis 51-90 - Exodus 91-117 - Leviticus 118-153 - Numbers 154-187 - Deuteronomy 188-211 - Joshua 930-957 - Matthew 958-973 - Mark 974-997 - Luke 998-1018 - John 1019-1046 - Acts 1047-1062 - Romans 188 <-the opening chapter of Book 6 is 6x6x6 short of the 404 verses of Bible Book 66, it is the 6th prime squared (13x13) short of the 357 verses of Daniel (also in part about 666) 193 <-Book 6 chapter 6 is the 44th prime, while 44 is in turn 66.666...% of 66 211 <-the terminating chapter of Book 6 is approximately 66.6% of the 66th prime (317) 357 <-the opening chapter of Book 6 plus the 6th prime squared is the 357 verses of Daniel (in part about 666) 404 <-the 6th prime squared (13x13) plus the 6th prime squared (13x13) plus 66 adds to the 404 verses of Bible Book 66 1062 <-666 plus 6x66 is a combination of the 658 verses of Bible Book 6 plus the 404 verses of Bible Book 66, and is the terminating chapter of New Testament Book 6 1070 <-666 plus the 404 verses of Book 66 is the 1070 verses of Job (Book 6+6+6) 1213 <-Exodus terminates at chapter 90 (66th non- prime) with 1213 verses (the 198th or the 66+66+66th prime) 1292 <-the 658 verses of Book 6 plus twice the 66th prime (317) is the 1292 verses of Isaiah (the Book contains 66 chapters) Swick adds to 65 (5x13). The parents were together born with 351 days remaining in their years (Bible Book 13 chapter 13). The kids were born in months adding to 13. Vanessa's different letters add to 138 and her odd valued letters add to 138. Her unrepresented letters add to 213 and exceed her represented letters by 75, or 13 plus the 13th prime (41) plus the 13th non-prime (21), or simply 13+13p+13np. Her consonants exceed her vowels by 130 (Numbers 13). Her primes and squares add together for 135. Her even valued letters add to 54 (13 plus the 13th prime, the opening length of Book 13). Her odd valued letters exceed her even valued letters by 84 (the first 13 primes minus the first 13 non-primes). This all means that mom and dad will have their friends over and drink 13 glasses of wine, and they will have spent more money on the wine than on presents for their kids. But to show the kids they are still loved, mom will spend 13 days seriously planning the decorations for the tree, and then find out that the damn thing was lopsided when she brings it home, and she'd have to plan the whole damn thing over again (where to hang the blinkin' lights). Dad wanted a 5 foot tree and mom bought a 7 foot tall tree that was lopsided, or some damn thing like that. The interpretation is true, I'm sure. Primes Non-Primes Fibonacci Lucas 2 1 0 1 3 4 1 3 5 6 1 4 7 8 2 7 11 9 3 11 13 10 5 18 17 12 8 29 19 14 13 47 23 15 21 76 29 16 34 123 31 18 55 199 37 20 89 322 41 <-13th-> 21 <-13th-> 144 <-13th-> 521 --- --- 238 154 <-Lamentations The parents were born on days of the month averaging 8. The family generally has their birthdays on days of the year adding to 753 (Jeremiah 8). They were born on days of the month adding to moon cycle 56 (7x8). The kids were born in years averaging the 85 verses of Bible Book 8 (the first 8 primes plus 8 more). Mom and the kids were together born 85 days closer to the end of their years than to the beginning of their years (the first 8 primes plus 8 more, and is the length of Bible Book 8). It is at Song 8:8 that we read of the little sister who has no pumpkins. The First 8 18's ---------------- 13 <-Genesis 13 20 <-Genesis 20 74 <-Exodus 24 81 <-Exodus 31 142 <-Numbers 25 166 <-Deuteronomy 13 188 <-Joshua 1 204 <-Joshua 17 --- 888 Anyway, the sisters were born on days 22 and 18, together these Bible Books contain 1187 verses. The sisters were born on days of the year averaging 187. One of these sisters might marry Marcia and me, pretty as both of our names add to 187. If Vanessa married Marcia and me, then her married name would add with my name and with Marcia's maiden name for the 618 verses of Bible Book 7. Marcia and Vanessa were born in years adding to the 167 verses of Bible Book 17. Esther. Esther becomes Queen in Book 17 and Q is the 17th letter of the alphabet. 187 Dar 17 2 57 48/317 00 Daryl 60 Shawn 65 Kabatoff 62 187 Marcia 6 8 80 219/147 8571 Marcia 45 Veronica 87 Acevedo 55 244 Vanessa 18 1 87 18/347 10927 Vanessa 81 Marie 46 Acevedo-Kabatoff 55-62 Anyway, if you people think that you have the right to use my abusive parents as tools and arrest and torture me, then I think that I should have the right to ask women to marry me, or to marry Marcia and me, our last names add together for the 117 verses of Song of Solomon, it's the Bible's Book of Love. The nubile sweety was born on the 6th and has a 6 lettered first name). Isaiah is the Book with 66 chapters, pretty as it is Book 23, or the 6th prime plus the 6th non-prime (13+10=23). Isaiah 4, 12 and 20 (adds to 6x6) each contains 6 verses. Isaiah 4:1 is about Marcia (and me), and 6 other women who are capable of feeling shame rather than pride, greed or lust, or who limit their love for traditions and for people who abide by their traditions. You people have Egyptian penises on the roofs of your churches and lined city streets with representations of penises, and had me tortured for years for saying so, others just sat back in silence while they were doing this to me, and similarly you remain silent and compassionless now that the arrests and torture have ceased. You people spent millions of dollars having me tortured, and then annually you spend billions on your decorated trees, I begged and begged for assistance to flee the country (they tortured me for years at the U of S) and you people are so cheap that you can't even offer to buy me a cookie when I bust my ass to show you evidence that your very name is a gift from God!!! Should Marcia marry me and then one of the sisters marries Marcia and me, then the other sister is poised to win a shiny new Cadillac!!! Good luck and may God bless you!!! 192 Vanessa 18 1 87 18/347 10927 Vanessa 81 Marie 46 Swick 65 219 Rachel 19 9 87 262/103 11171 Rachel 47 Marie 46 Rodomsky 120 And do note that Vanessa Swick is friends with Rachel Rodomsky, they were together and both provided stats for their families today. Vanessa Swick is 244 days older than her friend Rachel Rodomsky, and may yet marry Marcia and me and end up with a name adding to 244. This all means that each family will spend $244 on colored lights for their trees this year. Daryl Shawn Kabatoff Box 7134 Saskatoon Saskatchewan Canada S7K 4J1 Isaiah 45:4, Ephesians 3:15 - God gives you your name!!! What a wonderful weddink there will be What a wonderful day for you and me Church bells will chime You will be mine In apple blossom time... ==== S W I C K >19 23 9 3 11 = 65 Vanessa was the 10th of 17 people to provide stats today, she is the 14th >cadet, Vanessa dothn't know dad's year of birth and says mom is 42 years >old, so I am assuming that mom was born in 61. << The following (courtesy of Waxy.org) is sort of an unofficial FAQ explaining the psychotic nonsense posted to Usenet by Shawn Daryl Kabatoff AKA Dar, AKA Probababbilities. And now AKA marcia and me. WARNING: Read below before even thinking about responding to this twit. http://www.waxy.org/archive/2002/05/21/dar_kaba.shtml#000643 Usenet has the tendency to provide a public forum for those who would normally be scribbling in a closet. For example, take Daryl Shawn Kabatoff. For the last few years, he's methodically gathered statistics from various sources, ranging from local newspaper obituary pages to the food court of the Saskatoon Midtown Plaza mall. With all the raw data he's collected, he's attempting to prove daily that our full names are in mathematical harmony with our birthdays. about, starting with calculations related to their birthdate and full names, blending in whatever other personal information about their family members, spouses, birthplace, and career he's been able to zealotry, and personal torment. I've never seen anything like it. With all the prime numbers, Fibonacci sequences and biblical references, it's like reading the notebooks of Maximillian Cohen and John Nash combined. Unsurprisingly, several posts unfold to reveal a history of painful mental illness. If you have some time, take a look. I've detailed his posting history and a several sample posts below. January 27, 1999 to July 5, 2000 as Catsco@home.com December 9, 2000 to May 4, 2001 as s.kabatoff@sk.sympatico.ca Oct 30, 2001 to Oct 31, 2001 as kabatoff@the.link.ca posts have been removed from Google Groups archive) Selected Posts: Tessa Lynne Smith Dastageer Sakhizai and Helen Smith Brett David Maki Andrew Meredith Cotton Amanda Dawn Newton Mona Marie Etcheverry Tony Peter Nuspl Lisa Charlene McMillan Grant Allyn Wood Comments scarier still is that saskatoon is my hometown, though not my current residence. and every single place he's mentioned in his posts (most notably nervous harold's and the roastary) were either places i've been (as it's a small city of 200K) or hangouts, ie. the two places out if they know of him, they (my friends that is) being of the broadway-centred slacker ilk. myself, too, until i got out of there. eh, anyways. thought it odd to see all this. midtown mall. i ate my meals there, whilst waiting several days in line for star wars episode one, at the theatre across the street. posted by andy raad on May 22, 2002 06:20 PM Fascinating. It's like he's trying to take chaos and bind it into whatever rules he can find, religious, logical and otherwise. Numbers and math have a reliable pattern, something that can always be proven to true or false. People and religion do not. It reminds me of Darren Aronofsky's movie Pi. It's the story of an paraniod genius who is trying to find a pattern in Pi. A group that takes interest in his work is convinced that the existence of Pi, a number whose existence can be proven but no quantified, is proof of the existence of God. Kabatoff's hunt for patterns in something as random as name selection is a way to reconcile his deeply logical thought process with his conflicting religious views. posted by matt on May 23, 2002 11:19 AM asking him if he'd be willing to create a numerological analysis for me. I also asked him if he had seen either Pi or A Beautiful Mind, and what he thought of them. If he replies, I'll be sure to post it. posted by Andy Baio on May 23, 2002 11:24 AM I baked many pumpkin pies for Shawn (he likes pumpkin pies). I rubbed pumpkin pie all over my breasts for him, and my breasts turned orange. I am a pumpkin for Shawn. posted by Trisha Blondie on July 24, 2002 10:41 PM Um, that's swell. So, you're in love with him? posted by Andy Baio on July 25, 2002 07:10 AM Shawn once went to a funeral for a Jehovah Witness that shot himself and the lemon tarts were very bad, they were not only sour but were rubbery as well. Shawn said that the guy was some kind of Jehovah Witness prophet, he saw in advance that the lemon tarts at his funeral were to be very very bad, and so he shot himself. Shawn said that he never ate pumpkin pie at a funeral but would like to some day. Shawn likes pumpkin pie and so I have been practicing to make very good pumpkin pies. posted by Trisha Blondie on July 25, 2002 02:49 PM Shawn said that the lemon tarts were sour, bitter and rubbery. posted by Trisha Blondie on July 30, 2002 12:32 AM I don't think this guy takes notes. I think he has Total Recall, and it has driven him insane... posted by Todd Smith on December 26, 2002 11:00 AM Oh... I almost forgot... I didnt spend thousands of dollars a day tormenting Daryl... We got a deal on tormenting that fiscal year, it only came to about 37cents a day.... posted by Dr Claw on December 30, 2002 01:56 AM Mr. Kabatoff attempts to portray himself as a victim, but in fact he is a violent predatory pedophile who is well known to his local law enforcement. In his post to multiple newsgroups with the subject Collecting Mail For The Coming Anti-Christ, he encourages mothers to send him photos of their naked daughters. Mr Kabatoff explains, I Ant-Christ) that were of underage children unless the parent was signing consent. He is banned from virtually all the shopping malls in his community because he stalks young people and sexually harasses them. He has an extensive arrest record which includes sexual molestation charges. He's been hospitalized in mental institutions about his contact with young girls in many posts. Search newsgroup archives for posts by him containing the word nubile. As part of his harrassment, he provides personal details in a public forum, such as the real names of real children, in these and other posts. About one wanted her and her sister dead. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Daryl+Shawn+Kabatoff+dead+or+in+my+bed&hl= en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=asqm35%24tjq5j%241%40ID-136124.news.dfncis.de&rnu He not only curses children and prays for their death in his posts, he also enjoys attending the funerals of young people: And so, since nubile sweeties are found in greatest abundance at the funerals of high school students, then it is the funerals of high school students that make the very very best funerals, especially if there is food... I stuff my face (and my pockets) with all the good food and look at all the pretty nubile sweeties and have the time of my life.. .http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Daryl+Shawn+Kabatoff+nubile+sex&hl=en&l r=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=LfXN8.63042%24R53.25142039%40twister.socal.rr. com&rnum=1 Many of his posts are sent to alt.teens.advice. However, he liberally spams, floods and crossposts his off-topic threatening and offensive missives to countless newsgroups. Some people HAVE problems and some folks ARE problems. Don't dismiss Mr. Kabatoff as a harmless nut. When he sends these posts to any newgroup, please help by reporting him to I knew of him when I was attending the University of Saskatchewan. He'd hang out in the Arts computer lab and all you'd see is screens of numbers racing by on his laptop. I have an original copy of his Collecting Mail for the Coming Anti-Christ pamphlet, and have seen him be hauled away by campus security on more than one occasion. My friends and I refer to him as Crazy Number Man. I've been posting to (and about) Shawn for over two years with big gaps in between. He has seen Pi and didn't like it and didn't think it resembled him at all. (Wrong, it fits him to a tee) He doesn't have total recall and has stated that he travels with a lap top to notate items. Also, he uses cut n' paste a lot if you read all the way through his ramblings. He is anti-social as shown by his angry statements towards those who, by his own admission, have been kind (but not kind enough) to him. Still, he's intelligent and seems to be able to take a joke on occassion. That's where I came in. ALOHA if it comes from anyone not already in my addressbook. I'll never even see it) ==== R O D O M S K Y 18 15 4 15 13 19 11 25 = 120 Rachel was the 9th of 17 people to provide stats today, she is the 13th 120+ Dad 26 6 /188 120+ Mom 21 6 /193 120+ Sis 5 5 /240 120+ Bro 213 Rachel 19 9 87 262/103 11171 Rachel 47 Marie 46 Rodomsky 120 Rachel was born on the 19th, she has 19 letters. Rachel's common name adds to 167 (67 is the 19th prime). Her first pair of letters add to 19. Mom was either born on day 172 or at least generally has her birthday on day 172 (Deuteronomy 19), and mom was born with 193 days remaining in the year. Perhaps mom first gave birth 319 days after her birthday. Bible Books 19 contains 2460 verses, it is 7x19x19 minus the 19th prime. Ezkiel is the 19th of 19 Books in the Old Testament to contain a chapter 19, pretty as it's 1273 verses is 19 times the 19th prime. Dad was born on the 26th. Rachel was born on day 262, corresponding to First Samuel 26. In leap years the first of the kids has her birthday on day 126, and may very well have been born on day 126. The parents and the sisters were born in months adding to 26. Bible Book 26 is Ezekiel with 1273 verses (19 times the 19th prime), and Rachel was born on the 19th. The parents were born on days of the month adding to 47 while Rachel adds to 47 (15th prime). Rodomsky adds to 120 (1 through 15), the first of the Rodomsky (120) kids was born with 240 (120+120) days remaining in the year. The sisters were born on days of the month adding to 24 (15th prime). The females were born on days of the month averaging 15. Rachel's given names add to 47 and 46, these are the 8th and 7th Books of the New Testament (together for 15). Rachel's given names add to 47 and 46, these are the 15th prime and 32nd non-prime, together for 47 (the 15th prime). The parents and the first were born on days of the month adding to the 52 chapters of Bible Book 24 (15th non-prime). Primes Non-Primes Lucas 2 1 1 3 4 3 5 6 4 7 8 7 11 9 11 13 10 18 17 12 29 19 14 47 23 15 76 29 16 123 31 18 199 37 20 322 41 21 521 43 22 843 47 <-15th-> 24 <-15th-> 1364 <-Jeremiah is Book 24 with 1364 verses Dad was born with 188 days remaining in the year (the opening chapter of Bible Book 6). Mom as born with 193 days remaining in the year (Bible Book 6 chapter 6). Both parents were born in the 6th month. Rachel (6 letters) and her parents were born on days of the month adding to 66. Her last two names add together for 166 while her full name adds to 213 (166th non-prime). 1-50 - Genesis 51-90 - Exodus 91-117 - Leviticus 118-153 - Numbers 154-187 - Deuteronomy 188-211 - Joshua 930-957 - Matthew 958-973 - Mark 974-997 - Luke 998-1018 - John 1019-1046 - Acts 1047-1062 - Romans 188 <-the opening chapter of Book 6 is 6x6x6 short of the 404 verses of Bible Book 66, it is the 6th prime squared (13x13) short of the 357 verses of Daniel (also in part about 666) 193 <-Book 6 chapter 6 is the 44th prime, while 44 is in turn 66.666...% of 66 211 <-the terminating chapter of Book 6 is approximately 66.6% of the 66th prime (317) 357 <-the opening chapter of Book 6 plus the 6th prime squared is the 357 verses of Daniel (in part about 666) 404 <-the 6th prime squared (13x13) plus the 6th prime squared (13x13) plus 66 adds to the 404 verses of Bible Book 66 1062 <-666 plus 6x66 is a combination of the 658 verses of Bible Book 6 plus the 404 verses of Bible Book 66, and is the terminating chapter of New Testament Book 6 1070 <-666 plus the 404 verses of Book 66 is the 1070 verses of Job (Book 6+6+6) 1213 <-Exodus terminates at chapter 90 (66th non- prime) with 1213 verses (the 198th or the 66+66+66th prime) 1292 <-the 658 verses of Book 6 plus twice the 66th prime (317) is the 1292 verses of Isaiah (the Book contains 66 chapters) Mom was born on the 21st, Rachel's first and last names differ in value by 73 (21st prime). Presently her name adds to 213, but she could marry Marcia and me and end up with a name adding to 210. 187 Dar 17 2 57 48/317 00 Daryl 60 Shawn 65 Kabatoff 62 187 Marcia 6 8 80 219/147 8571 Marcia 45 Veronica 87 Acevedo 55 210 Rachel 19 9 87 262/103 11171 Rachel 47 Marie 46 Acevedo-Kabatoff 55-62 Anyway, if you people think that you have the right to use my abusive parents as tools and arrest and torture me, then I think that I should have the right to ask women to marry me, or to marry Marcia and me, our last names add together for the 117 verses of Song of Solomon, it's the Bible's Book of Love. The nubile sweety was born on the 6th and has a 6 lettered first name). Isaiah is the Book with 66 chapters, pretty as it is Book 23, or the 6th prime plus the 6th non-prime (13+10=23). Isaiah 4, 12 and 20 (adds to 6x6) each contains 6 verses. Isaiah 4:1 is about Marcia (and me), and 6 other women who are capable of feeling shame rather than pride, greed or lust, or who limit their love for traditions and for people who abide by their traditions. You people have Egyptian penises on the roofs of your churches and lined city streets with representations of penises, and had me tortured for years for saying so, others just sat back in silence while they were doing this to me, and similarly you remain silent and compassionless now that the arrests and torture have ceased. Should Rachel marry me, great, but if Marcia marries me and then Rachel marries Marcia and me, then Rachel's siblinks are goink to win themselves shiny new Cadillac's!!! Good luck and may God bless you!!! Rachel was young and had lots of child bearing years ahead of her. Daryl Shawn Kabatoff Box 7134 Saskatoon Saskatchewan Canada S7K 4J1 Isaiah 45:4, Ephesians 3:15 - God gives you your name!!! What a wonderful weddink there will be What a wonderful day for you and me Church bells will chime You will be mine In apple blossom time... ==== R O D O M S K Y >18 15 4 15 13 19 11 25 = 120 Rachel was the 9th of 17 people to provide stats today, she is the 13th << The following (courtesy of Waxy.org) is sort of an unofficial FAQ explaining the psychotic nonsense posted to Usenet by Shawn Daryl Kabatoff AKA Dar, AKA Probababbilities. And now AKA marcia and me. WARNING: Read below before even thinking about responding to this twit. http://www.waxy.org/archive/2002/05/21/dar_kaba.shtml#000643 Usenet has the tendency to provide a public forum for those who would normally be scribbling in a closet. For example, take Daryl Shawn Kabatoff. For the last few years, he's methodically gathered statistics from various sources, ranging from local newspaper obituary pages to the food court of the Saskatoon Midtown Plaza mall. With all the raw data he's collected, he's attempting to prove daily that our full names are in mathematical harmony with our birthdays. about, starting with calculations related to their birthdate and full names, blending in whatever other personal information about their family members, spouses, birthplace, and career he's been able to zealotry, and personal torment. I've never seen anything like it. With all the prime numbers, Fibonacci sequences and biblical references, it's like reading the notebooks of Maximillian Cohen and John Nash combined. Unsurprisingly, several posts unfold to reveal a history of painful mental illness. If you have some time, take a look. I've detailed his posting history and a several sample posts below. January 27, 1999 to July 5, 2000 as Catsco@home.com December 9, 2000 to May 4, 2001 as s.kabatoff@sk.sympatico.ca Oct 30, 2001 to Oct 31, 2001 as kabatoff@the.link.ca posts have been removed from Google Groups archive) Selected Posts: Tessa Lynne Smith Dastageer Sakhizai and Helen Smith Brett David Maki Andrew Meredith Cotton Amanda Dawn Newton Mona Marie Etcheverry Tony Peter Nuspl Lisa Charlene McMillan Grant Allyn Wood Comments scarier still is that saskatoon is my hometown, though not my current residence. and every single place he's mentioned in his posts (most notably nervous harold's and the roastary) were either places i've been (as it's a small city of 200K) or hangouts, ie. the two places out if they know of him, they (my friends that is) being of the broadway-centred slacker ilk. myself, too, until i got out of there. eh, anyways. thought it odd to see all this. midtown mall. i ate my meals there, whilst waiting several days in line for star wars episode one, at the theatre across the street. posted by andy raad on May 22, 2002 06:20 PM Fascinating. It's like he's trying to take chaos and bind it into whatever rules he can find, religious, logical and otherwise. Numbers and math have a reliable pattern, something that can always be proven to true or false. People and religion do not. It reminds me of Darren Aronofsky's movie Pi. It's the story of an paraniod genius who is trying to find a pattern in Pi. A group that takes interest in his work is convinced that the existence of Pi, a number whose existence can be proven but no quantified, is proof of the existence of God. Kabatoff's hunt for patterns in something as random as name selection is a way to reconcile his deeply logical thought process with his conflicting religious views. posted by matt on May 23, 2002 11:19 AM asking him if he'd be willing to create a numerological analysis for me. I also asked him if he had seen either Pi or A Beautiful Mind, and what he thought of them. If he replies, I'll be sure to post it. posted by Andy Baio on May 23, 2002 11:24 AM I baked many pumpkin pies for Shawn (he likes pumpkin pies). I rubbed pumpkin pie all over my breasts for him, and my breasts turned orange. I am a pumpkin for Shawn. posted by Trisha Blondie on July 24, 2002 10:41 PM Um, that's swell. So, you're in love with him? posted by Andy Baio on July 25, 2002 07:10 AM Shawn once went to a funeral for a Jehovah Witness that shot himself and the lemon tarts were very bad, they were not only sour but were rubbery as well. Shawn said that the guy was some kind of Jehovah Witness prophet, he saw in advance that the lemon tarts at his funeral were to be very very bad, and so he shot himself. Shawn said that he never ate pumpkin pie at a funeral but would like to some day. Shawn likes pumpkin pie and so I have been practicing to make very good pumpkin pies. posted by Trisha Blondie on July 25, 2002 02:49 PM Shawn said that the lemon tarts were sour, bitter and rubbery. posted by Trisha Blondie on July 30, 2002 12:32 AM I don't think this guy takes notes. I think he has Total Recall, and it has driven him insane... posted by Todd Smith on December 26, 2002 11:00 AM Oh... I almost forgot... I didnt spend thousands of dollars a day tormenting Daryl... We got a deal on tormenting that fiscal year, it only came to about 37cents a day.... posted by Dr Claw on December 30, 2002 01:56 AM Mr. Kabatoff attempts to portray himself as a victim, but in fact he is a violent predatory pedophile who is well known to his local law enforcement. In his post to multiple newsgroups with the subject Collecting Mail For The Coming Anti-Christ, he encourages mothers to send him photos of their naked daughters. Mr Kabatoff explains, I Ant-Christ) that were of underage children unless the parent was signing consent. He is banned from virtually all the shopping malls in his community because he stalks young people and sexually harasses them. He has an extensive arrest record which includes sexual molestation charges. He's been hospitalized in mental institutions about his contact with young girls in many posts. Search newsgroup archives for posts by him containing the word nubile. As part of his harrassment, he provides personal details in a public forum, such as the real names of real children, in these and other posts. About one wanted her and her sister dead. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Daryl+Shawn+Kabatoff+dead+or+in+my+bed&hl= en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=asqm35%24tjq5j%241%40ID-136124.news.dfncis.de&rnu He not only curses children and prays for their death in his posts, he also enjoys attending the funerals of young people: And so, since nubile sweeties are found in greatest abundance at the funerals of high school students, then it is the funerals of high school students that make the very very best funerals, especially if there is food... I stuff my face (and my pockets) with all the good food and look at all the pretty nubile sweeties and have the time of my life.. .http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Daryl+Shawn+Kabatoff+nubile+sex&hl=en&l r=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=LfXN8.63042%24R53.25142039%40twister.socal.rr. com&rnum=1 Many of his posts are sent to alt.teens.advice. However, he liberally spams, floods and crossposts his off-topic threatening and offensive missives to countless newsgroups. Some people HAVE problems and some folks ARE problems. Don't dismiss Mr. Kabatoff as a harmless nut. When he sends these posts to any newgroup, please help by reporting him to I knew of him when I was attending the University of Saskatchewan. He'd hang out in the Arts computer lab and all you'd see is screens of numbers racing by on his laptop. I have an original copy of his Collecting Mail for the Coming Anti-Christ pamphlet, and have seen him be hauled away by campus security on more than one occasion. My friends and I refer to him as Crazy Number Man. I've been posting to (and about) Shawn for over two years with big gaps in between. He has seen Pi and didn't like it and didn't think it resembled him at all. (Wrong, it fits him to a tee) He doesn't have total recall and has stated that he travels with a lap top to notate items. Also, he uses cut n' paste a lot if you read all the way through his ramblings. He is anti-social as shown by his angry statements towards those who, by his own admission, have been kind (but not kind enough) to him. Still, he's intelligent and seems to be able to take a joke on occassion. That's where I came in. ALOHA if it comes from anyone not already in my addressbook. I'll never even see it) ==== Monday October 1st 2001 274/91 16297 In the afternoon I went to La Salsa at 307 21st Street, soon Matthew arrived and sat with me. He is the 3rd of 3 kids, his sister is a nubile sweety. 78+ Dad 23 7 50 204/161 +2401 78+ Mom 6 9 51 249/116 +1991 78+ Sis 2 10 73 275/90 6071 78+ Bro 208 Matthew 26 4 78 116/249 7738 Matthew 90 David 40 Siebert 78 Mom was born on day 249 and with 116 (4x29) days remaining in the year while Matthew was born on the inverse, on day 116 (4x29) and with 249 days remaining in the year. The parents were born on days of the month adding to 29. Lucas 1 3 4 7 11 18 29 -- 73 <-the Lucas numbers up to 29 add to the 73 verses of Bible Book 29 J O E L <-Bible Book 29 10 15 5 12 = 42 <-29th non-prime C O P P E R <-29th element 3 15 16 16 5 18 = 73 <-Book 29 and is the Lucas numbers up to 29, there is a copper riding a horse on the 1973 Canadian 25 cent piece C E N T <-made out of 29th element 3 5 14 20 = 42 <-29th non-prime Copper and Zinc are elements 29 and 30 (together for 59), and together they make Brass (59): B R A S S 2 18 1 19 19 = 59 Dad was born on day 204 (Joshua 17), the parents were born on days of the year adding to 453 (Job 17). The parents were together born with 277 days remaining in the year (59th prime or the 17th prime in prime position). The parents were together born 176 days closer to the end of their years than to the beginning of their years, it is 117 plus the 17th prime and is the length of Psalm 7x17. Matthew was born on the 26th (17th non-prime), his day, month and year of birth adds to the 108 verses of Bible Book 59 (the Genesis 40 and Exodus 28, together for 108 (the first 7 primes plus the days older than me. The females were born in years adding to 124 (Numbers 7), the males in years adding to 128 (2 to the 7th). The males were born on days of the month adding to 49 (7x7). Primes Non-Primes 2 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 11 9 13 10 17 12 19 14 23 15 29 16 31 18 37 20 41 21 43 22 47 24 53 25 59 <-17th-> 26 --- --- 440 251 Matthew was born on the 26th (13+13th), his day, month and year of birth names add to 130 (Numbers 13). Primes In Prime Primes Positions 1 2 2 3 <- 3 3 5 <- 5 4 7 5 11 <- 11 6 13 7 17 <- 17 8 19 9 23 10 29 11 31 <- 31 12 37 13 41 <- 41 --- 108 Matthew is Bible Book 40, the name adds to 90 (Exodus 40), while his middle name adds to 40. He was born in the 4th month and his middle name adds to 44.444...% of his first name. Dad was born in '50, Matthew's given names differ in value by 50. This 50 is a combination of the first 7 non-primes, Bible Book 50 contains 104 verses (77th non-prime), while Matthew's full name adds to 104+104 (twice 7 lettered names have an average value of 84 (7 times the 7th non-prime). The parents were born in years adding to 101, the kids in years adding to 151 (a difference of 50). Matthew was born on the 26th, the 1273 verses of Bible Book 26 is 19 times the 19th prime (67). He has 19 letters, his last name begins with the (19+19). The parents were born in years adding to 101 (26th prime). Matthew was born on the 26th, his name adds to 208 (8x26). Siebert adds to 78 (26+26+26). In Matthew's given names, his odd valued letters add to 52 (26+26) and even valued letters add to 78 (26+26+26). The squares in his full name add to 26. Mom was born with 116 days remaining in the year while Matthew was born on day 116 (Leviticus 26). Matthew Siebert (78) was born in '78 (57th non-prime), prettier as Matthew contains 357+357+357 verses. Daniel is Bible Book 27 with 357 verses while Matthew with 357+357+357 verses is the first of 27 Books of the New Testament. 389 <-77th prime 104 <-77th non-prime 77 <-77 --- 570 The Four 57's Genesis 41 -> 41 Leviticus 14 -> 104 Judges 9 -> 220 <-I dreamt of 220 roofs blown John 11 -> 1008 off homes in the Dakotas ---- 1373 <-220th prime Chapter 57 is Exodus 7 with 25 verses Book 57 is Philemon with 25 verses -- -- 41st non-prime 16th non-prime <-together for 57-> Major Books of End-Times Prophecy (Daniel and Revelation are in part about 666 while Isaiah contains 66 chapters): Daniel - 357 verses Revelation - 404 verses <-57 plus the 57th prime plus the 57th non-prime Isaiah - 1292 verses <-an average of 19.575757... verses per chapter Matthew Siebert (78) was born on day 116, it is 31.78% of 365 days. Matthew's names add to the 66th, 28th and 57th non-primes, together for 151, pretty as he and his sister were born in years adding to 151, prettier as mom was born in '51. The females were born on days and in months and years adding to 151. The parents were born on the 6th and 23rd, together these Bible Books contain 1950 verses, pretty as dad was born in 1950. The kids were born in '73 and '78, these are the 21st prime and the 57th non-prime, together for 78, prettier as Siebert adds to 78. The even valued letters in Matthew's given names add to 78. The parents are separated by 410 days while the males were together born with 410 days remaining in the year. 187 Dar 17 2 57 48/317 00 Daryl 60 Shawn 65 Kabatoff 62 187 Marcia 6 8 80 219/147 8571 Marcia 45 Veronica 87 Acevedo 55 Anyway, if you people think that you have the right to use my abusive parents as tools and arrest and torture me, then I think that I should have the right to ask women to marry me, or to marry Marcia and me, our last names add together for the 117 verses of Song of Solomon, it's the Bible's Book of Love. The nubile sweety was born on the 6th and has a 6 lettered first name). Isaiah is the Book with 66 chapters, pretty as it is Book 23, or the 6th prime plus the 6th non-prime (13+10=23). Isaiah 4, 12 and 20 (adds to 6x6) each contains 6 verses. Isaiah 4:1 is about Marcia (and me), and 6 other women who are capable of feeling shame rather than pride, greed or lust, or who limit their love for traditions and for people who abide by their traditions. You people have Egyptian penises on the roofs of your churches and lined city streets with representations of penises, and had me tortured for years for saying so, others just sat back in silence while they were doing this to me, and similarly you remain silent and compassionless now that the arrests and torture have ceased. You people spent millions of dollars having me tortured, and then annually you spend billions on your decorated trees, I begged and begged for assistance to flee the country (they tortured me for years at the U of S) and you people are so cheap that you can't even offer to buy me a cookie when I bust my ass to show you evidence that your very name is a gift from God!!! Should Matthew's sister marry me, great, but if Marcia marries me and then Matthew's sister marries Marcia and me, then Matthew is goink to win himself a shiny new Cadillac!!! Good luck and may God bless you!!! Daryl Shawn Kabatoff Box 7134 Saskatoon Saskatchewan Canada S7K 4J1 Isaiah 45:4, Ephesians 3:15 - God gives you your name!!! What a wonderful weddink there will be What a wonderful day for you and me Church bells will chime You will be mine In apple blossom time... ==== >Monday October 1st 2001 274/91 16297 In the afternoon I went to La Salsa at 307 21st Street, soon Matthew >arrived and sat with me. He is the 3rd of 3 kids, his sister is a nubile >sweety. << The following (courtesy of Waxy.org) is sort of an unofficial FAQ explaining the psychotic nonsense posted to Usenet by Shawn Daryl Kabatoff AKA Dar, AKA Probababbilities. And now AKA marcia and me. WARNING: Read below before even thinking about responding to this twit. http://www.waxy.org/archive/2002/05/21/dar_kaba.shtml#000643 Usenet has the tendency to provide a public forum for those who would normally be scribbling in a closet. For example, take Daryl Shawn Kabatoff. For the last few years, he's methodically gathered statistics from various sources, ranging from local newspaper obituary pages to the food court of the Saskatoon Midtown Plaza mall. With all the raw data he's collected, he's attempting to prove daily that our full names are in mathematical harmony with our birthdays. about, starting with calculations related to their birthdate and full names, blending in whatever other personal information about their family members, spouses, birthplace, and career he's been able to zealotry, and personal torment. I've never seen anything like it. With all the prime numbers, Fibonacci sequences and biblical references, it's like reading the notebooks of Maximillian Cohen and John Nash combined. Unsurprisingly, several posts unfold to reveal a history of painful mental illness. If you have some time, take a look. I've detailed his posting history and a several sample posts below. January 27, 1999 to July 5, 2000 as Catsco@home.com December 9, 2000 to May 4, 2001 as s.kabatoff@sk.sympatico.ca Oct 30, 2001 to Oct 31, 2001 as kabatoff@the.link.ca posts have been removed from Google Groups archive) Selected Posts: Tessa Lynne Smith Dastageer Sakhizai and Helen Smith Brett David Maki Andrew Meredith Cotton Amanda Dawn Newton Mona Marie Etcheverry Tony Peter Nuspl Lisa Charlene McMillan Grant Allyn Wood Comments scarier still is that saskatoon is my hometown, though not my current residence. and every single place he's mentioned in his posts (most notably nervous harold's and the roastary) were either places i've been (as it's a small city of 200K) or hangouts, ie. the two places out if they know of him, they (my friends that is) being of the broadway-centred slacker ilk. myself, too, until i got out of there. eh, anyways. thought it odd to see all this. midtown mall. i ate my meals there, whilst waiting several days in line for star wars episode one, at the theatre across the street. posted by andy raad on May 22, 2002 06:20 PM Fascinating. It's like he's trying to take chaos and bind it into whatever rules he can find, religious, logical and otherwise. Numbers and math have a reliable pattern, something that can always be proven to true or false. People and religion do not. It reminds me of Darren Aronofsky's movie Pi. It's the story of an paraniod genius who is trying to find a pattern in Pi. A group that takes interest in his work is convinced that the existence of Pi, a number whose existence can be proven but no quantified, is proof of the existence of God. Kabatoff's hunt for patterns in something as random as name selection is a way to reconcile his deeply logical thought process with his conflicting religious views. posted by matt on May 23, 2002 11:19 AM asking him if he'd be willing to create a numerological analysis for me. I also asked him if he had seen either Pi or A Beautiful Mind, and what he thought of them. If he replies, I'll be sure to post it. posted by Andy Baio on May 23, 2002 11:24 AM I baked many pumpkin pies for Shawn (he likes pumpkin pies). I rubbed pumpkin pie all over my breasts for him, and my breasts turned orange. I am a pumpkin for Shawn. posted by Trisha Blondie on July 24, 2002 10:41 PM Um, that's swell. So, you're in love with him? posted by Andy Baio on July 25, 2002 07:10 AM Shawn once went to a funeral for a Jehovah Witness that shot himself and the lemon tarts were very bad, they were not only sour but were rubbery as well. Shawn said that the guy was some kind of Jehovah Witness prophet, he saw in advance that the lemon tarts at his funeral were to be very very bad, and so he shot himself. Shawn said that he never ate pumpkin pie at a funeral but would like to some day. Shawn likes pumpkin pie and so I have been practicing to make very good pumpkin pies. posted by Trisha Blondie on July 25, 2002 02:49 PM Shawn said that the lemon tarts were sour, bitter and rubbery. posted by Trisha Blondie on July 30, 2002 12:32 AM I don't think this guy takes notes. I think he has Total Recall, and it has driven him insane... posted by Todd Smith on December 26, 2002 11:00 AM Oh... I almost forgot... I didnt spend thousands of dollars a day tormenting Daryl... We got a deal on tormenting that fiscal year, it only came to about 37cents a day.... posted by Dr Claw on December 30, 2002 01:56 AM Mr. Kabatoff attempts to portray himself as a victim, but in fact he is a violent predatory pedophile who is well known to his local law enforcement. In his post to multiple newsgroups with the subject Collecting Mail For The Coming Anti-Christ, he encourages mothers to send him photos of their naked daughters. Mr Kabatoff explains, I Ant-Christ) that were of underage children unless the parent was signing consent. He is banned from virtually all the shopping malls in his community because he stalks young people and sexually harasses them. He has an extensive arrest record which includes sexual molestation charges. He's been hospitalized in mental institutions about his contact with young girls in many posts. Search newsgroup archives for posts by him containing the word nubile. As part of his harrassment, he provides personal details in a public forum, such as the real names of real children, in these and other posts. About one wanted her and her sister dead. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Daryl+Shawn+Kabatoff+dead+or+in+my+bed&hl= en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=asqm35%24tjq5j%241%40ID-136124.news.dfncis.de&rnu He not only curses children and prays for their death in his posts, he also enjoys attending the funerals of young people: And so, since nubile sweeties are found in greatest abundance at the funerals of high school students, then it is the funerals of high school students that make the very very best funerals, especially if there is food... I stuff my face (and my pockets) with all the good food and look at all the pretty nubile sweeties and have the time of my life.. .http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Daryl+Shawn+Kabatoff+nubile+sex&hl=en&l r=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=LfXN8.63042%24R53.25142039%40twister.socal.rr. com&rnum=1 Many of his posts are sent to alt.teens.advice. However, he liberally spams, floods and crossposts his off-topic threatening and offensive missives to countless newsgroups. Some people HAVE problems and some folks ARE problems. Don't dismiss Mr. Kabatoff as a harmless nut. When he sends these posts to any newgroup, please help by reporting him to I knew of him when I was attending the University of Saskatchewan. He'd hang out in the Arts computer lab and all you'd see is screens of numbers racing by on his laptop. I have an original copy of his Collecting Mail for the Coming Anti-Christ pamphlet, and have seen him be hauled away by campus security on more than one occasion. My friends and I refer to him as Crazy Number Man. I've been posting to (and about) Shawn for over two years with big gaps in between. He has seen Pi and didn't like it and didn't think it resembled him at all. (Wrong, it fits him to a tee) He doesn't have total recall and has stated that he travels with a lap top to notate items. Also, he uses cut n' paste a lot if you read all the way through his ramblings. He is anti-social as shown by his angry statements towards those who, by his own admission, have been kind (but not kind enough) to him. Still, he's intelligent and seems to be able to take a joke on occassion. That's where I came in. ALOHA if it comes from anyone not already in my addressbook. I'll never even see it) ==== There are many ways to develop Lebesgue integral, and one way is as follows: f is lebesgue integrable if there exists a sequence {f_n} of step function such that (a) sum int |f_n| < infty (b) f(x) = sum f_n(x) for every x such that sum |f_n(x)| < infty Then the integral of f is defined as int f = sum int f_n My question is: does anyone know any book that introduces Lebesgue integral in this way? TC ==== There are many ways to develop Lebesgue integral, and one way is as > follows: f is lebesgue integrable if there exists a sequence {f_n} of step function > such that (a) sum int |f_n| < infty > (b) f(x) = sum f_n(x) for every x such that sum |f_n(x)| < infty Then the integral of f is defined as int f = sum int f_n My question is: does anyone know any book that introduces Lebesgue > integral in this way? No it doesn't look right. The function: f(x) = 1 if 0> follows: >f is lebesgue integrable if there exists a sequence {f_n} of step function >> such that >(a) sum int |f_n| < infty >> (b) f(x) = sum f_n(x) for every x such that sum |f_n(x)| < infty >Then the integral of f is defined as int f = sum int f_n >My question is: does anyone know any book that introduces Lebesgue >> integral in this way? No it doesn't look right. The function: f(x) = 1 if 0f(x) = 0 otherwise is lebesgue integrable. And this function satisfies the condition above: Let the rationals in (0,1) be r_1, r_2, ... . Let f_n(x) = 0 except for f_n(r_j) = 1, 1 <= j <= n. Then f_n is a step function, the sum of the integrals of |f_n| is finite, and f(x) = sum f_n(x) for every x such that sum |f_n(x)| is finite. >I think you would have to approximate that using >'simple functions' (rather trivial since it one already) not 'step >functions'. It is possible that 'step function' might be defined >differently. Secondly the word sum seems to be occuring where there would >normally be sup. Thirdly for a non-negative measurable function f the >integral is usually defined as sup int phi dx, where sup is taken over all >measurable simple functions phi, such that phi <= f. The sup is in general >going to be over an uncountable set so any use of sequences of step >functions looks wrong. Comments on how this approach differ from the approach you know (ok, from the more usual approach) don't show that this approach is wrong. The last comment about how that sup is over an uncountable set so any use of sequences seems wrong is way off: In spite of the fact that the sup is over an uncountable family of simple functions we certainly know that we can get a sequence of simple functions converging to f, with the usual approach... I'm not _certain_ offhand that the conditions above are true precisely when f is Lebesgue integrable, but I'm certainly not certain that this is not so - I know that there _are_ approaches very much like this that do work. ************************ David C. Ullrich ==== I was curious as to why an ordered pair (x,y) would be defined as {{x}{x,y}}. I understand that a set has no order but therefore, wouldn't that be the same as {{x,y} {x}}. If anyone has any good links to this just for some background information, that would be realy helpfuly. ==== >I was curious as to why an ordered pair (x,y) would be defined as >{{x}{x,y}}. I understand that a set has no order but therefore, wouldn't >that be the same as {{x,y} {x}}. Yes it is. So what? (It's not the same as (y,x), which is {{y}, {x,y}}.) >If anyone has any good links to this just for some background information, >that would be realy helpfuly. ************************ David C. Ullrich ==== I was curious as to why an o