>I am debating a Christian creationist, and he claims that the tidal >braking of the earth "proves" that the earth was recently created >(<10K years). I have done a few "back of the envelope" calculations >to show this isn't so. Yet, I'd like a more detailed analysis to >quote for him. [ ... ] This same argument was put forth in a "letter to the editor" of the Quarterly Journal of the Creation Research Society, about a decade ago, by Thomas Barnes [1] (the same Barnes who also argued that the magnetic field decay proved the Earth was no more than 10,000 years old). Barnes' argument was based on a paper by Louis Slichter from the Journal of Geophysical Research [2]. Slichter's paper was already 20 years old when Barnes cited it, and already well "out of date" by then as well. The response is that the early work, and the "back of the envelope" calculations are wrong. The tidal interaction between the Earth and moon is dominated by the fluid oceans, which was not fully appreciated in the early papers. Also note that Slichter's paper pre-dates the general acceptance of plate tectonics in geophysics. We now know that the tidal response function of the oceans changes with time depending on the distribution of continental masses, and has a very complex resonance spectrum. It also appears that the tidal interaction is currently in resonance, which means that using the current rate of recession of the moon from the Earth will produce an incorrectly young age for the system. You may find useful information or pointers in general textbooks in geophysics that deal with the Earth-moon interaction, such as Lambeck or Munk & MacDonald [3,4], or you may need to look through the "usual" journals (JGR, Geophysical Journal International, Earth Moon and Planets, etc.). I do have a paper by Kirk Hansen in my files that may help explain things too [5]; however, it dates from 1982, and while the basics haven't changed much since then, there could have been advances in methodology since then, especially for describing the very complex oceanic response function. You need to check the current literature, since this is an area of some activity, and I have not really kept up with the topic, since by the early 80's it was easy to show the flaw in the argument anyway. All of my sources here are, therefore, subject to dated conclusions. [1] "Earth's Young Magnetic Age: An Answer to Dalrymple" Thomas G. Barnes Creation Research Society Quarterly, vol. 21, December 1984; pages 109-113 See page 109, "Problems with Their Dates" [2] "Secular Effects of Tidal Friction on the Earth's Rotation" Louis B. Slichter Journal of Geophysical Research, vol. 68, no. 14, July 15, 1963; pages 4281-4288 [3] "The Earth's Variable Rotation" (Geophysical Causes and Consequences) Kurt Lambeck Cambridge University Press, 1980 QB633.L25 ISBN 0-521-22769-0 [4] "The Rotation of the Earth" (A Geophysical Discussion) W.H. Munk & G.J.F. Mac Donald Cambridge University Press, 1960, 1975 ISBN 0-521-20778-9 [5] "Secular Effect of Oceanic Tidal Dissipation on the Moon's Orbit and the Earth's Rotation" Kirk S. Hansen Reviews of Geophysics and Space Physics, vol. 20, no. 3, August 1982; pages 457-480 [Appendices derive oceanic tidal torque and potential, and show how to calculate the energy balance. The complexity involved shows why "back of the envelope" calculations should be looked at suspiciously.] END**********************************************************************