Some Bible problems with
common Christian doctrines 

 (1) "And God said, Let there be light" (Gen. 1:3) and "...And the evening and
the morning were the first day" (Gen. 1:5), versus
"And God said, 'Let there be light in the firmament of the heaven to divide
the day from the night.... ' "And God made two lights; the greater light to
rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars
also.... And
the evening and morning were the fourth day" (Gen. 1:14-19).
(a) God created light on the first day; yet there were no moon, sun or stars
until the fourth day; 
(b) how could it be known when the first three days ended if there was no sun
until the fourth day?; and 
(c) How could morning be distinguished from evening, if the sun and the moon
were yet to be created? 

(2) "And God said,'Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yeilding seed,
and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind.... And the evening and the
morning were the third day" (Gen. 1:11-13), versus "And God made two great
lights; the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the
night; he made the stars also" (Gen. 1:16), and "the evening and the morning
were the fourth day" (Gen. 1:19). Vegetation was created on the third day; yet
there was no sun for the photosynthesis until the fourth day.
(3) " In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Gen. 1:1),
and"... the evening and the morning were the first day"
(Gen.1:5), versus "And God made two great lights; and the greater light to
rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also"
(Gen. 1:16) and the evening and the morning were the fourth day" (Gen. 1:19).
(a) According to biblical "science", the earth was created 3 days before the
sun, the moon and the stars; €(b) Scientists say there are many stars whose
light takes millions of years to reach the earth. How, then, could they be
6,000 to 8,000 years old as many Christians allege?

(4) "And God said, 'Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed,
and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind...' And the evening and the
morning were the third day" (Gen. 1:11-13), versus "And God said, 'Let the
waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life... And God
created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters
brought forth abundantly.... And the evening and the morning were the fifth
day" (Gen.1:20-23). Genesis says that life existed first on the land as plants
and later the seas teemed with living creatures. Geological science says that
the sea teemed with animals and vegetable life long before life appeared on
land. 
(5) " So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that
moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds,and every winged
bird according to its kind.... And there was evening and there was morning, a
fifth day" (Gen. 1:21-23 RSV). Geological science says fishes appeared long
before the birds. They were not created during the same day or period.
(6) "And God created...every winged fowl after his kind...." (Gen. 1-21) and
"And the evening and the morning were the fifth day"
(Gen. 1:23), versus "And God made ther beast of the earth... and every thing
that creepeth upon the earth after his kind...." (Gen. 1-25), and "... the
evening and the morning were the sixth day" (Gen. 1:31). Science says creeping
reptiles appeared on the earth before the fowl, not afterwards.
(7) "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his
kind, cattle, and creeping thing, the beast of the earth after his kind: and it
was so. And God made...every thing that creepth upon the earth after his
kind...." (Gen. 1:24-25). Science contends that reptiles were created long
before mammals, not simultaneously. While reptiles existed in the Pennsylvanian
Period, mammals did not appear until the close of the Reptilian Age.
(8) "And God said, 'Let the water bring forth abundantly the moving creature
that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of
heaven" (Gen. 1:20). Birds did not emerge from water.
(9) "So God created man in his own image,...male and female created he them"
(Gen. 1:27), and "the evening and the morning were
the sixth day" (Gen. 1:31). If Adam was created on the 6th day, approximately
6,000 years ago (Bishop Usher's calculations), then nobody lived before 4,000
B.C. Prehistoric men would be fictitious. By tracing the genealogy of Jesus
back 77 generations to Adam, the third chapter of Luke also supports belief in
a very young earth. If each man had lived approximately 100 years, then the
world would be no more than 9,684 (7,700 + 1984) years old. If each of Jesus'
ancestors had lived to be 1,000 years old (an age not even reached by
Methuselah), the earth would still be only 78,984 (77,000 + 1984) years old,
according to creationists.
(10) "And to every beast of the earth, and every fowl of the air, and to every
thing that creepeth upon the earth wherein there is life, I have given every
green herb for meat: and it was so" (Gen. 1:30). Carnivorous beasts and fowl do
not eat green herbs.
(11) "And God saw everything that he had made...." (Gen. 1:31) and "on the
seventh day God ended his work" (Gen. 2:2).
Scientifically speaking, unless God had male organs or attributes, it is
difficult to see how God could be masculine. 
(12) "And out of the ground the Lord formed every beast of the field, and every
fowl of the air; and bought them to Adam to see what he would call them: and
whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof"
(Gen. 2:19).
Environmentally speaking, how could every living creature be brought to any
spot in the Middle East or elsewhere without many animals dying because of
climatic changes and other factors? 
(13) "And Lord God said unto the serpent, 'Because thou hast done this, thou
art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly
shalt thou go, and dust shalt eat all the days of thy life'..." (Gen. 3:14).
If the serpent was a snake, snake-like, or reptilian in character and condemned
to crawl upon its belly, how did it move before? And does science know of any
serpent that eats dust?
(a) "... and the sons of Zerubbabel; Meshullam, and Hananiah, Jusha-bhesed,
five." (1 Chron. 3:19-20). How can there be five sons of Zerubbabel when 7
males and one female are listed? 
(b) "And it had for its inheritance Beer-sheba, Sheba, Moladah, Hazar-shual,
Balah, Ezem, Eltolad, Bethul, Hormah, Ziklag, Beth-marcaboth, Hazarsuah,
Beth-lebaoth, and Sharuhen- thirteen cities with their villages" (Josh. 19:2-6
RSV). Fourteen cities are listed, not 13.
(c) "The cities belonging to the tribe of the people of Judah in the extreme
South, toward the boundary of Edom, were Kabzeel, Eder, Jagur, Kinah, Dimonah,
Adadah, Kedesh, Hazor, Ithnan, Ziph, Telem, Bealoth, Hazor-hadattah,
Kerioth-hezron (that is Hazor). Amam,Shema, Moladah, Hazar-gaddah, Heshmon,
Bethpelet, Hazar-shual, Beer-sheba, Biziothiah, Baalah, Iim, Ezem, Eltolad,
Chesil, Hormah, Ziklag, Madmannah, Sansannah, Lebaoth, Shilhim, Ain, and
Rimmon; in all twenty-nine(29) cities, with their villages" (Josh. 15:21-32
RSV). Thirty-six cities are listed, not 29.
(d)"...and the sons of Shemaiah; Hattush, and Igeal and Barial, and Neariah,
and Shaphat, six" (1Chron. 3:22). Five names don't total six.
(e) "...the sons od Jeduthun; Gedaliah, and Zeri, and Jeshiah, Hashabiah, and
Mattithiah, six, under the hands of their father Jeduthun,..." (1 Chron. 25:3).
Again, five names do not total six.
(f) "And in the lowland, Eshtaol, Zorah, Ashnah, Zanoah, En-gannim, Tappuah,
Enam, Jarmuth, Adullam, Socoh, Azekah, Sha-araim, Adithaim, Gederah,
Gederothaim: fourteen cities with their villages" (Josh. 15:33-36 RSV). Fifteen
cities are listed, not 14.Bibical authors not only counted inaccurately but
often added with comparable precision.
(g) "The whole congregation together(those who returned from the Captivity-Ed.)
was forty and two thousand three hundred and threescore (42,360)"
(Ezra 2:64). The number of people in each tribe that returned from the
Captivity are listed from Ezra 2:3 to Ezra 2:60. One need only total the
figures to see that 29,818 returned, not 42,360- an error of 12,542.
(h) A similar problem is encourntered in Neh. 7:66, which says, "the whole
congregation together was forty and two thousand three hundred and three-score
(42,360)." One need only add the figures between Neh. 7:8 and Neh. 7:62 to see
that the total for all the tribe should have been 31,089, not 42,360-- an error
of 11,271. Besides adding inaccurately, Ezra and Nehemiah can't agree on
what the total should be. The former supports 29,818 while the latter
asserts 31,089. 
(i) "And this is the number of them: Thirty (30) charges of gold, a thousand
(1,000) charges of silver, nine and twenty (29) knives, Thirty (30) basins of
gold, silver basins of a second sort four hundred and ten (410), and vessels a
thousand (1,000). All the vessels of gold and of silver were five thousand and
four hundred (5,400)" (Ezra 1:9-11). Even if all these items were composed of
silver and gold, they would not total 5,400 (30+ 1,000+ 29 + 30 + 410 +
1,000=2,499 not 5,400).
(j) "And these were the sons of Levi by their names; Gershon, and Kohath, and
Merari" (Num. 3:17) and "Those that were numbered of them (the
Gershonites-Ed.)...were seven thousand and five hundred (7,500)" (Num. 3:22)
and "...these are the families of the Kohathites...eight thousand and six
hundred (8,600)" (Num. 3:27-28) and "...these are the families of the Merari.
And those that were numbered of them,...were six thousand and two hundred
(6,200)" (Num.3:33-34), versus "All that were numbered of the Levites,...were
twenty and two thousand (22,000)" (Num. 3:39). The author of Numbers added
inaccurately, since 7,500 + 8,600 + 6,200 equals 22,300, not 22,000.
(a) David took seven hundred (2 Sam. 8:4), seven thousand (1 Chron. 18:4)
horsemen from Hadadezer; 
(b) Ahaziah was 22 (2 Kings 8:26), 42 (2 Chron. 22:2) years old when he began
to reign; 
(c) Jehoiachin was 18 (2 Kings 24:8), 8 (2 Chron. 36:9) years old when he began
to reign and he reigned 3 months (2 Kings 24:8), 3 months and10 days
(2 Chron. 36:9); 
(d) There were in Israel 8000,000 (2 Sam. 24:9); 1,1000,000 (1 Chron. 21:5) men
that drew the sword and there were 500,000 (2 Sam. 24:9), 470,000
(1 Chron. 21:5) men that drew the sword in Judah;
(e) There were 550 (1 Kings 9:23), 250 (2 Chron. 8:10) chiefs of the officers
that bare the rule over the people; 
(f) Saul's daughter, Michal, had no sons (2 Sam. 6:23), had 5 sons
(2 Sam. 21:6) during her lifetime; 
(g) Lot was Abraham's nephew (Gen. 14:12), brother (Gen. 14:14); 
(h) Joseph was sold into Egypt by Midianites (Gen. 37:36), by Ishmaelites
(Gen. 39:1); 
(i) Saul was killed by his own hands (1 Sam. 31:4), by a young Amalekite
(2 Sam. 1:10), by the Philistines (2 Sam. 21:12); 
(j) Solomon made of a molten sea which contained 2,000 (1 Kings 7:26), 3,000
(2 Chron. 4:5) baths;
(k) The workers on the Temple had 3,300 (1 Kings 5:16), 3,600 (2 Chron. 2:18)
overseers; 
(l) The earth does (Eccle. 1:4), does not (2 Peter 3:10) abideth forever;
(m) If Jesus bears witness of himself his witness is true (John 8:14), is not
true (John 5:31); 
(n) Josiah died at Megiddo (2 Kings 23:29-30), at Jerusalem (2 Chron. 35:24);
       (o) Jesus led Peter, James, and John up a high mountain after six
(Matt. 17:1, Mark 9:2), eight (Luke 9:28) days; 
(p) Nebuzaradan came unto Jerusalem on the seventh (2 Kings 25:8), tenth
(Jer. 52:12) day of the fifth month. 
What was the sign on Jesus' cross? 
This is Jesus 
The King of the Jews.
(Mt 27:37)

The King
of the Jews.
(Mk 15:26)

This is the
King of the Jews.
(Lk 23:38)

Jesus the Nazarene
The King of the Jews. (Jn 19:19)

1. How many Gods are there? 
(GEN 1:26) God said "LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE ACCORDING TO OUR LIKENESS",
(GEN 3:22) God said "MAN HAS BECOME LIKE ONE OF US."
(DEUT 6:4) God is one God 

2. When was God first called Jehovah? 
(Genesis 4:26) long before Moses, men began to call on the name of the Lord,
"Jehovah", 
(Genesis 22:14) Abraham named a place Jehovah-jireh. "The Lord will provide." 
(Exodus 6:2-3) God informed Moses that previously His name (Jehovah) had been
unknown even to the patriarchs such as Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

3. When did the Nephilim live?
(Genesis 6:4) The Nephilim (giants) lived on earth prior to the Flood.
(Genesis 7:23) Only Noah and his family, and the animals on the Ark, survived
the Flood. 
(Numbers 13:33) Long after the Flood, the Nephilim (Giants) still lived.

4. Does God repent?
(Genesis 6:6) God does repent.
(Numbers 23:19) God does not repent
(I Samuel 15:11,35) God does repent.

5. Who has ascended to heaven?
(Genesis 5:24) Enoch was taken bodily into Heaven.
(II Kings 2:11) Elijah ascended to heaven in a whirlwind.
(John 3:13) Jesus said that no man but himself has ever ascended to heaven.
(Hebrews 11:5) Enoch was taken bodily into Heaven.

6. Math quiz: How many animals went on the Ark? 
(GEN 6:19-20) God told Noah to take with him on the ark two of every king
of animal to include birds, animals and creeping things 
(GEN 7:2-3) God told Noah to take with him on the ark seven of every clean
animal and bird and two of every unclean animal. 

7. Math quiz: How long was the flood? 
(GEN 7:17, 8:6) The flood was on the Earth 40 days and nights 
(GEN 7:24, 8:3) The flood was on the Earth 150 days CONTRADICTS 
(GEN 7:11) the flood began during the 600th year, 2nd month, 17th day of Noah's
life and finally dried up 
(GEN 8:13) during the 601st year, 1st month, 1st day of Noah's life (1 solar
year from the date given in Gen7:11). 

8. When did the world develop many different languages?
(Genesis 11:1,6-9) In the days of Babel, generations after the Flood, the world
had one common language. God "confused the tongues" to
create many.
(Genesis 10:5) Prior to Babel, the Bible speaks of many "nations", each with
its own language 

9. Does God cause confusion?
(GEN11:9) God confused the language of all the Earth at Babel
(EX15:24) God troubled (CONFUSED BY SOME TRANSLATIONS) the army of Egypt.
(1SAM7:10) God thundered upon the philistines so as to confuse them
(1COR14:33) God is not the author of confusion.

10. Math quiz: How long did Terah live?
(Genesis 11:26,32) Terah lived 135 years after begetting Abraham (he begat
Abram at age 70 and lived 205 years total).
(Genesis 12:4) Abraham was 75 years old when he departed Haran.
(Acts 7:4) Abraham departed Haran when his father (Terah) was dead.

11. Who has seen God?
(Gen 18:1) The Lord appeared to Abraham.
(GEN 32:24-30) Jacob saw and wrestled with God
(EX 24:9-11) Moses & 73 elders gazed upon God.
(Exodus 33:11) God spoke to Moses face-to-face.
(Exodus 33:22-23) God allowed Moses to see his "back parts".
(Deut 34:10) God spoke to Moses face-to-face.
(IS 6:1-13) Isaiah stood before God and saw him
(Ezekiel 1:27-28) Ezekiel saw God in a vision and described Him in some detail.
(Amos 7:7) Amos saw God.
(John 1:18, 6:46) No one has ever seen God.
(1 TIM6:16) God is un-seeable
(I John 4:12) No one has ever seen God.

12. Is God a fair and righteous judge?
(GEN 18:25) God claims to judge right
(GEN 22:1-2) God commands Abraham to sacrifice his own son.
(EX 20:5) God admits jealousy 
(DEUT 32:4) God is perfect, just, true, righteous, upright,
(PSALM 92:15) God is not unrighteous 
(IS 45:7) God claims to do good AND evil; all things
(JER 18:11) God threatens disaster to make a people be good
(EZEK 18:25) God claims to be fair
(AMOS 3:6) God admits he makes calamity
(ROM 2:11) God is impartial 
(JAMES 1:13) God is not tempted by evil and tempts no one with evil

13. Who was Keturah?
(GEN 25:1) Keturah was Abraham's wife
(1 CHRON 1:32) Keturah was Abraham's concubine.

14. Who sold Joseph into slavery? 
(Genesis 37:36) The Midianites sold Joseph in Egypt to Potiphar, the courtier
of Pharaoh 
(Genesis 39:1) The Ishmaelites brought Joseph to Egypt and sold him to
Potiphar, the courtier of Pharaoh.

15. Where was Jacob buried?
(Genesis 50:13) Jacob was buried in Canaan. in a cave which Abraham had
purchased from Ephron the Hittite.
(Acts 7:15-16) Jacob was buried in Sychem. in a sepulchre which Abraham had
purchased from Emmor.

16. Does God condone or condemn lying?
(EX 2:18-20) God deals well with midwives for lying to the King of Egypt.
(EX 20:16) Lying forbidden 
(JOSH 2:4-6) Rahab hides two men from the King of Jericho and lies to him and
is dealt well with by God
(PROV 12:22) Lying is an abomination to God
(JAMES 2:25) James preaches that Rahab was justified for hiding two men and
lying,
(REV 21:8) all liars will burn in the lake of fire

17. How about stealing?
(Exodus 3:21-22) plundering commanded.
(Exodus 20:15) Stealing forbidden

18. Does God afflict people with illnesses?
(Exodus 4:11) God admitted He is the cause of blindness, deafness, dumbness.
(Lamentations 3:33) God does not willingly cause grief or affliction.

19. Did God kill off the Pharoah's livestock, or didn't he?
(Exodus 9:3-6) God killed all the cattle (field animals) of the Egyptians with
a grievous murrain including the horses, asses, camels, oxen
and sheep. None survived the plague
(Exodus 9:19-21,25) Later, at least some of the Egyptian field animals were
mysteriously alive again, to suffer a plague of hail.
(EX 14:9) Pharaoh later chases Israel with all his horses and chariots.

20. Is God peaceful?
(EX 15:3) He is a God of war.
(1 COR 14:33) He is not a God of confusion but of peace.

21. How does God feel about the making of images?
(Exodus 20:4) Image-making forbidden
(Exodus 25:18) God commands the making of two cherubim.

22. Who pays for sins? 
(Exodus 20:5) God blames children for the iniquities of the father. even for
four generations. 
(Deuteronomy 5:9) His curse or punishment may extend far beyond the third or
fourth generation.
(Deuteronomy 24:16) The son should not be punished for the father's sin. Every
man bears guilt only for his own transgressions.
(II Chronicles 25:4) The son should not be punished for the father's sin. Every
man bears guilt only for his own transgressions.
(EZEK 18:19-20) Each is responsible for his own actions, a son does not bear
guilt for his father's sins 
(Romans 5:12,14.19, 6:23) All men are considered sinners because of Adam's sin.
Death, the punishment for sin, is inflicted even on those
who did not sin, because Adam sinned.

23. How does God feel about selling one's daughter.
(EX 21:7) conditions are set up for selling one's daughters.
(Lev 19:29) It is forbidden to sell a daughter.

24. Who inscribed the commandments on stone?
(Exodus 34:27-28) God dictated the second set of 10 commandments to Moses while
Moses inscribed them.
(Deuteronomy 10:1-2,4) God inscribed the second set of 10 commandments on
stones which Moses made.

25. So, did God say it, or not? 
(Leviticus chapters 1-7) After delivering the Jews from Egypt, God went into
minute detail regarding sacrifices and burnt offerings.
(Jeremiah 7:22) God denied that he ever said anything about sacrifices or burnt
offerings.

 26. Where do the rules on what types of food to eat come from?
(Leviticus 3:17, 11:1-47) God gave many rules about what may be eaten or
handled
(Colossians 2:20-23) Such rules come from man, not God.

27. Should we judge others? 
(Leviticus 19:15) You must judge your neighbor in righteousness
(Matthew 7:1) Judge not or you will be judged.

28. Can I wear long hair and still be "clean?" 
(Numbers 6:2-6) Describes the process for being clean in order to consecrate an
offering; involves not allowing a razor to come upon his
head and letting the locks of his hair grow
(I Corinthians 11:14) Paul preaches that it is a shame for any man to have long
hair.

29. Does God keep his word?
(NUM 23:19) God does not change, Makes good his promises
(I SAM 2:30-31) God admits not keeping his promise
(II KINGS 20:1-6) God says one thing, then changes his mind and says another
(JONAH 3:10) God doesn't keep his promise to destroy.

30. Has God ever lied?
(Numbers 23:19) God cannot lie.
(I Kings 22:20-30) God deliberately sent a "lying spirit" into the mouth
of.Ahab's prophets.
(II Chronicles 18:19-22) God deliberately sent a "lying spirit" into the mouth
of Ahab's prophets
(II Thessalonians 2:11-12) God sends delusions on people to make them believe
false things and be damned.
(Titus 1:2) God cannot lie.
(HEB 6:18) It is impossible for God to lie.

31. Is God loving, merciful, kind, etc.?
(NUM 25:4) God commands Moses to hang the leaders in the sun to calm God's
anger
(DEUT 4:24) God is a consuming fire, a jealous God 
(I SAM 6:19) God strikes 50,070 dead for a sin with no compassion 
(I SAM 15:2,3) God commands utter destruction of a nation of people for one
man's sin, 
(II SAM 21:1) God causes a three year famine because of the doings of one man's
house. 
(I CHRON 16:34) God is good and merciful.
(Psalm 25:8) God is good and upright 
(Psalm 145:8-9) God is gracious, compassionate, slow to anger, merciful, and
good to all. 
(JER 13:14) God will not pity, not spare, not show mercy, but destroy them.
(JER 17:4) God will be angry at Judah forever.
(EZEK 18:32) God finds no pleasure in death.
(JAMES 5:11) God is very compassionate and merciful.
(1 JOHN 4:16) God is love.

32. Did the Midianites survive or not?
(Numbers 31:7.9,15-18) The Israelites slew all the Midianites except the
female virgins 
(Judges 6:1-5) Later, the Midianites invaded the Israelites.

33. Can we love AND fear God?
(Deuteronomy 6:5) We must love God.
(Deuteronomy 6:13) We must fear God.
(Matthew 22:37) We must love God.
(I Peter 2:17) We must fear God.
(I John 4:18) Perfect love cannot be mingled with fear.

34.Did Ai burn, or not?
(Joshua 8:28) Joshua burnt the city of Ai, making it an ash heap forever.
(Nehemiah 7:32) Ai is counted among the existing cities of Jerusalem approx.
1000 years later. 
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Errors in Genesis 
35. Was Sisera standing or lying down when he was killed?
(Judges 4:21) Jael killed Sisera by driving a tent stake through his head while
he slept, fastening his head to the ground.
(Judges 5:26-27) When Jael killed Sisera with the tent peg, he sank to the
ground at her feet and died.

36. Are women allowed any role of dominance?
(JUDG 4:4,14-15) Deborah is a prophetess of God, commands men to fight for
their freedom.
(ACTS 2:18) man-servants and maid-servants alike will prophesy.
(I COR 14:34) women commanded to keep silent in church, not permitted to speak,
but to be submissive.
(1 TIM 2:11-12) Women commanded to learn in silence with submission, not
permitted to teach or have authority over a man.

37. Who killed the Amalekites, and how many died?
(I Samuel 15:7-8,20) Saul completely destroyed the Amalekites.
(I Samuel 27:8-9) David completely destroyed the Amalekites.
(I Samuel 30:1-2,17) David destroyed a raiding party of Amalekites. Only 400
men escaped.
(I Chronicles 4:42-43) the Simeonites killed all the Amalekites.

38. Math quiz: How many sons did Jesse have?
(I Samuel 16:10-11) Jesse had seven sons besides his youngest, David.
(I Chronicles 2:13-15) David was the seventh son.

39. How much did David pay for his wife?
(II SAM 18:27) David collected 200 Philistine foreskins and bought a wife
(Michal) with them.
(II SAM 3:14) David only paid 100 foreskins for his wife.

40. When did David eat the consecrated bread?
(I Samuel 21:1-6) This event actually occurred in the days of Ahimelech the
high priest. 
(Mark 2:26) David ate consecrated bread from the House of God. and gave some to
his companions, in the days of Abiathar the high
priest. 

41. Did Saul consult the Lord, or not?
(I Samuel 28:6) Saul attempted to consult the Lord.
(I Chronicles 10:13-14) Saul did not consult the Lord.

42. How did Saul die? 
(I Samuel 31:4-6) Saul committed suicide by having his armor-bearer run him
through. 
(II Samuel 1:8-10) Saul asks an Amalekite to kill him, the Amalekite does so.
(II Samuel 21:12) The Philistines slew Saul in Gilboa.
(I Chronicles 10:4-5) Saul committed suicide by falling on his sword.

43. How many kids did Michal have?
(II SAM 6:23) Michal had no children all her life.
(II SAM 21:8) Michal had five children by Adriel.

44. Math quiz: How many horsemen?
(II Samuel 8:4) David took seven hundred horsemen from Hadadezer.
(I Chronicles 18:4) David took seven thousand horsemen from Hadadezer.

(II Samuel 10:18) David slew 700 Aramean charioteers and 40,000 horsemen.
(I Chronicles 19:18) He slew 7000 Aramean charioteers and 40,000 footmen.

46. Math quiz: Census totals? Uhh, could you re-take that census, please?
(II Samuel 24:9) David's census adds up to 800,000 swordsmen of Israel and
500,000 men of Judah.
(I Chronicles 21:5) David's census adds up to 1,100,000 swordsmen of Israel and
470,000 swordsmen of Judah.

47. Who caused the census?
(II Samuel 24:1) God directly incited the census out of anger at Israel.
(I Chronicles 21:1) Satan "rose up" against Israel and incited King David to
take a census.

48. Yet another math quiz: How many chiefs?
(I Kings 9:23) Solomon had 550 chiefs or officers to oversee the people
(II Chronicles 8:10) Solomon had 250 chiefs or officers to oversee the people

49. Baasha did what while he was dead?
(I Kings 16:6,8) Baasha, King of Israel died in the 26th year of Asa's reign
over Judah.
(II Chronicles 16:1) In the 36th year of Asa's reign, Baasha built a city.

50. How old?
(II Kings 8:26) King Ahaziah was 22 years old when he began to reign.
(II Chronicles 22:2) King Ahaziah was 42 years old when he began to reign.

51. Did God appreciate the deed or not?
(II Kings 9:6-9, 10:11,30) The Lord commanded Jehu to destroy the house of
Ahab. Jehu obeyed, destroying everyone in the city of Jezreel who was of the
house of Ahab, including friends and priests. God commended him for these
actions saying Jehu had done God's will.
(Hosea 1:4) God promises to punish the House of Jehu for the massacre.

52. Was Jerusalem conquered or not?
(II Kings 16:5) King Ahaz of Judah (Jerusalem) was not conquered by the kings
of Israel and Syria. 
(II Chronicles 28:5-6) The kings of Israel and Syria did conquer Jerusalem.
(Isaiah 7:1-7) Israel and Syria fail to conquer Jerusalem.

53. Where did Josiah die? 
(II Kings 23:29-30) King Josiah was slain at Magiddo. Servants brought his dead
body to Jerusalem.
(II Chronicles 35:22-24) Josiah was wounded at Magiddo. Servants brought him
alive to Jerusalem, where he died.

54. Does it pay to be righteous?
(JOB 2:3-7) God tells Satan how righteous Job is, and then allows (gives
permission to) Satan to strike him with painful boils from head to
toe.. 
(PROV 12:21) No evil can happen to the righteous

55. What of the dead?
(Job 7:9) The dead will never rise again. They will have no further reward.
(Ecclesiastes 9:5) The dead will never rise again. They will have no further
reward.
(John 5:28-29) The dead will rise again to be rewarded or punished.
(I Corinthians 15:16,52) The dead will rise again to be rewarded or punished.

56. What of the Earth?
(Psalms 104:5) The Earth will last forever.
(Ecclesiastes 1:4) The Earth will last forever.
(Hebrews 1:10-11) The Earth will perish.
(II Peter 3:10) The Earth will perish.

57. Does God always answer?
(Prov 1:24-28) God ignored those who sought him out of anger at them.
(Prov 8:17) Those who seek diligently will find God.

58. What is wisdom? 
(Prov 3:13-17) Wisdom is a source of joy and peace.
(Eccl 1:18) Wisdom is a source of grief and sorrow.

59. Did Coniah have kids? 
(Jer 22:28-30) Coniah was declared to be forever childless by God.
(Matt 1:12) Coniah (also called by the Greek name Jechoniasis) is listed as a
direct ancestor of Jesus Christ.
(Malachi 4:5) Elijah must return before the final days of the world.
(Matthew 11:12-14) Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah.
(Matthew 17:12-13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come, and everyone
understood him to mean John the Baptist.
(Mark 9:13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come.
(John 1:21) John the Baptist maintained that he was not Elijah.

61. Which place first?
(Matthew 4:5-8) The Devil took Jesus first to the parapet of the temple, then
to a high place to view all the Kingdoms of the world.
(Luke 4:5-9) The Devil took Jesus first to a high place to view the kingdoms,
then to the parapet of the temple.

62. Who did Jesus tell the Lord's Prayer to?
(Matthew 5:1, 6:9-13, 7:28) Jesus delivered the Lord's Prayer during the Sermon
on the Mount before the multitudes.
(Luke 11:1-4) He delivered it before the disciples alone, and not as part of
the Sermon on the Mount.

63. How many Beatitudes?
(Matthew 5:3-11) The sermon contained nine Beatitudes.
(Luke 6:20-22) The sermon contained only four Beatitudes.

64. Can one pray in public?
(Matthew 6:5-6) Jesus condemned public prayer.
(I Timothy 2:8) Paul encouraged public prayer.

65. Does the Lord help those who help themselves? 
(Matthew 6:25-28, 30-34) We should take no thought for ourselves, or for
tomorrow: we should not toil: tomorrow will take care of itself.

(II Thessalonians 3:10) If a man does not provide for himself or his own, he is
considered disorderly.

66. Peace, or war? 
(Matthew 6:38-42) Jesus teaches non-resistance, Non-violence.
(Luke 22:36-37) Jesus commands people to take arms for coming conflict.
(John 2:15) Jesus uses a whip to physically drive people out of the temple.

67. When did the leper become.. not a leper?
(Matthew 8:1-3,14) Jesus healed the leper before visiting the house.
(Mark 1:29-30,40-42) Jesus healed the leper after visiting Simon Peter's house.

68. Who approached Jesus? 
(Matthew 8:5-7) The Centurion approached Jesus, beseeching help for a sick
servant.
(Luke 7:3.6-7) The Centurion did not approach Jesus. He sent friends and elders
of the Jews.

69. Was she dead or just dying? 
(Matthew 9:18) He asked for help, saying his daughter was already dead.
(Luke 8:41-42) Jairus approached Jesus for help, because his daughter was
dying. 70.What to take?
(Matthew 10:10) Jesus instructed them not to take a staff, not to wear sandals.
(Mark 6:8-9) Jesus instructed his disciples to wear sandals and take a staff on
their journey. 

71. When did John find out Jesus was the Messiah?
(Matthew 11:2-3) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to
inquire if Jesus was the messiah.
(Luke 7:18-22) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to
inquire if Jesus was the Messiah.
(John 1:29-34,36) John already knew Jesus was the Messiah.

72. How long was he in the tomb?
(Matthew 12:40) Jesus prophesied he would be in the tomb three days and three
nights.
(Matthew 28:1) Jesus was in the tomb three days and two nights.
(Mark 16:2) Jesus was in the tomb three days and two nights.
(Luke 24:1) Jesus was in the tomb three days and two nights.
(John 20:1) Jesus was in the tomb two days and two nights.

73. Did the people of Jesus' generation see any signs?
(Matthew 12:38-40) Jesus announced that no signs would be given to that
generation except the Resurrection itself.
(Mark 8:12-13) Jesus announced that no signs would be given to that generation.
(Mark 16:20) They went out preaching, and the Lord confirmed the word through
accompanying signs.
(John 20:30) Jesus provided many wonders and signs.
(Acts 2:22) Jesus provided many wonders and signs.
(Acts 5:12, 8:13) many signs and wonders were done through the apostles.

74. When did the Transfiguration occur?
(Matthew 17:1-2) Six days after Jesus made his prophecy of his second coming.
the Transfiguration occurred.
(Luke 9:28-29) the transfiguration occurred about eight days after the prophecy
of the second coming.

75. Who made the request?
(Matthew 20:20-21) Their mother requested that James and John, Zebedee's
children, should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom.
(Mark 10:35-37) James and John, Zebedee's children, requested that they should
sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom.

76. How many blind men?
(Matthew 20:29-30) Following this last incident, on the way out of Jericho,
Jesus encountered two blind men.
(Mark 10:46-47) He encountered only one blind man.

77. What animals were brought to Jesus? 
(Matthew 21:2-7) two of the disciples brought Jesus an ass and a colt from the
village of Bethphage.
(Mark 11:2-7) They brought him only a colt.

78. When did the fig tree hear of its doom?
(Matthew 21:17-19) Jesus cursed the fig tree after purging the temple.
(Mark 11:14-15,20) He cursed it before the purging.

79. When did the fig tree keel?
(Matthew 21:9) The fig tree withered immediately. and the disciples registered
surprise then and there.
(Mark 11:12-14,20) The morning after Jesus cursed the fig tree. the disciples
noticed it had withered. and expressed astonishment.

80. What was the date of the crucifixion?
(Matthew 26:20-30) The last supper is a Passover Seder making the crucifixion
of the following day occur on the first day of Passover, the fifteenth day of
Nissan.
(Mark 14:17-25) The last supper is a Passover Seder making the crucifixion of
the following day occur on the first day of Passover, the fifteenth day of
Nissan 
(Luke 22:14-23) The last supper is a Passover Seder making the crucifixion
of the following day occur on the first day of Passover, the fifteenth day of
Nissan 
(John 13:1,29) The crucifixion occurs on the day before Passover, fourteenth
day of Nissan. 

81. How many times did the cock crow?
(Matthew 26:34) Jesus prophesied that Peter would deny Jesus three times before
the cock crowed (no number given).
(Matthew 26:69-74) The cock crowed only once.
(Mark 14:29) Jesus prophesied that Peter would deny Jesus three times before
the cock crowed twice.
(Mark 14:68-72) As Peter denied Jesus three times, the cock crowed twice.
(Luke 22:34) Jesus prophesied that Peter would deny Jesus three times before
the cock crowed (no number given).
(Luke 22:60-61) The cock crowed only once.

82. Who arrested Jesus? 
(Matthew 26:47) Jesus was arrested by "multitudes" sent by the priests.
(Mark 14:43) Jesus was arrested by "multitudes" sent by the priests.
(Luke 22:47) Jesus was arrested by "multitudes" sent by the priests.
(John 18:12) Jesus was arrested by a detachment of Roman soldiers and some
Jewish officials. 

83. Who did Jesus see first upon his arrest?
(Matthew 26:57) He was led directly to Caiaphas.
(John 18:19,24) After his arrest, Jesus's preliminary interrogation was before
Annas; after that, he was brought to Caiaphas.

84. The second denial was heard by...?
(Matthew 26:71-72) Peter made his second denial to another girl.
(Mark 14:69-70) Peter made his second denial to the same servant girl as his
first denial.
(Luke 22:58) Peter made his second denial to "another" 85.And the third?
(Matthew 26:73-74) Peter made his third denial to by-standers.
(Mark 14:70-71) Peter made his third denial to by-standers.
(Luke 22:59-60) Peter made his third denial to "another" different from the
"another" in his second denial 
(John 18: 26-27) Peter made his third denial to a servant girl (a relative of
the one whose ear he had cut off).

86. Who carried the cross?
(Matthew 27:32) Simon of Cyrene carries the cross.
(Mark 15:21) Simon of Cyrene carries the cross.
(Luke 23:26) Simon of Cyrene carries the cross.
(John 19:17) Jesus alone carries the cross.

87. Which thief believed?
(Matt 27:44) Neither thief believed in Jesus.
(Mark 15:32) Neither thief believed in Jesus.
(Luke 23:39-41) One thief believed in Jesus while the other did not.

88. Famous last words. but what were they? 
(Matt 27:46) Jesus' last words were "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN
ME?"
(Mark 15:34) Jesus' last words were "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN
ME?"
(Luke 23:46) Jesus' last words were "FATHER, INTO THY HANDS I COMMEND MY
SPIRIT"
(John 19:30) Jesus' last words were "IT IS FINISHED."

89. What did the sign say?
(Matthew 27:37) The inscription on his cross was, "This is Jesus the King
of the Jews."
(Mark 15:26) The inscription was simply, "The King of the Jews".
(Luke 23:38) It was. ''This is the King of the Jews,'' in three languages.
(John 19:19) It was. "Jesus of Nazareth the King of the Jews."

90. Where did they "spectate" from?
(Matthew 27:55-56) The women, including Mary Magdalene and Jesus's mother,
watched the crucifixion from afar.
(Mark 15:40) The women, including Mary Magdalene and Jesus's mother, watched
the crucifixion from afar.
(Luke 23:49) The women, including Mary Magdalene and Jesus's mother, watched
the crucifixion from a distance.
(John 19:25) They stood near or next to the cross.

91. What did she say?
(Matt 28:8) Mary goes to tell the disciples what happened.
(Mark 16:8) Mary says nothing to anyone because she is afraid.
(Luke 24:9) Mary goes to tell the disciples what happened.
(John 20:18) Mary goes to tell the disciples what happened 

92. What did Mary do after meeting the angel(s)?
(Matt 28:9) Right after seeing the angels, Mary meets Jesus.
(Mark 16:9) Right after seeing the angels, Mary meets Jesus.
(Luke 24:4-9) Right after seeing the angel Mary meets the disciples and reveals
everything to them. 
(John 20:14) Right after seeing the angels, Mary meets Jesus.

93. Who saw Jesus first?
(Matt 28:9)Jesus makes his first appearance to Mary, the Mother of James.
(Mark 16:9) Jesus makes his first appearance to Mary Magdalene only 
(Luke 24:15-18) Jesus makes his first appearance to Cleopas and another.
(John 20:14) Jesus makes his first appearance to Mary Magdalene only.
(1 Cor 15:5) Jesus makes his first appearance to Cephas (PETER).

94. When and where? 
(Matt 28:9) Jesus makes his first appearance after Mary leaves the tomb.
(Mark 16:8-9) Jesus makes his first appearance after Mary leaves the tomb.
(Luke 24:13) Jesus makes his first appearance on the road to Emmaus.
(John 20:11-14) Jesus makes his first appearance at the tomb

95. Does Mary touch Jesus? 
(Matt 28:9) Mary is permitted to touch Jesus after the resurrection.
(Luke 24:39) Mary is permitted to touch Jesus after the resurrection.
(John 20:17) Mary is not permitted to touch Jesus after the resurrection.

96. How many times did Jesus appear to humans after his resurrection?
(Matt 28:9-10,17-20) Jesus appears twice after the resurrection.
(Mark 16:9,12,14-18) Jesus appears three times after the resurrection.
(Luke 24:13-31,36-51) Jesus appears twice after the resurrection.
(John 20:14-17,19-23,26-29,21:1-23) Jesus appears four times after the
resurrection.
(1 Cor 15:5,6,7,8) Jesus appears six times after the resurrection.

97. In what order exactly?
(Matt 28:8-9,16) Jesus appears to Mary Magdalene and the other Mary on the way
to see the disciples; then to the disciples on a mountain in Galilee.
(Mark 16:8-9,12,14) Jesus appears to Mary Magdalene after she flees the tomb;
then to two strolling followers as they walked to the country then to the
disciples at a meal 
(Luke 24:13,33,49) Jesus appears to Cleopas and another unknown follower on the
way to Emmaus; then to the disciples and others in Jerusalem.
(John 20:14,18-29,21:1-2) Jesus appears to Mary Magdalene at the tomb; then to
ten of the disciples in Jerusalem behind closed doors;
then to eleven of the disciples in Jerusalem behind closed doors; Then to
Peter, Thomas, James and John (the sons of Zebed.
(1 Cor 15:5,6,7,8) Jesus appears to Cephas (PETER); then to the disciples; then
to 500 people; then to James; then to the disciples; then to Paul.

98.How many disciples saw Jesus?
(Matt 28:16)Jesus appears to eleven disciples, the absent one being Judas who
was already dead (Matt 27:5, Acts 1:18).
(Mark 16:14) Jesus appears to eleven disciples, the absent one being Judas who
was already dead (Matt 27:5, Acts 1:18).
(Luke 24:33) Jesus appears to eleven disciples, the absent one being Judas who
was already dead (Matt 27:5, Acts 1:18).
(John 20:24,26) Thomas is absent for Jesus's first appearance to the disciples,
but is present for the second; Judas is absent from both
visits because he is already dead.
(1 Cor 15:5) Jesus appears to all twelve disciples (even though Judas was
supposed to have been already dead).

99. When did Mary go to the tomb?
(Matt 28:1) Mary came to the tomb at dawn.
(Mark 16:2) Mary came to the tomb after the sun had risen.
(Luke 24:1) Mary came to the tomb at dawn.
(John 20:1) Mary came to the tomb while it was still dark.

100. How many went with her?
(Matt 28:1) Two people came to the tomb (Mary Magdalene and the other Mary).
(Mark 16:1) three people came to the tomb (Mary Magdalene, Mary mother of
James, and Salome).
(Luke 24:10) more than four people came to the tomb (Mary Magdalene, Mary
mother of James, Joanna, and other women).
(John 20:1) Mary Magdalene came to the tomb alone.
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101. What about the stone?
(Matt 28:1-2) An angel rolled back the stone after the women arrived at the
tomb.
(Mark 16:4) the stone was already rolled away when the women arrived at the
tomb.
(Luke 24:2) the stone was already rolled away when the women arrived at the
tomb.
(John 20:1) the stone was already rolled away when the women arrived at the
tomb.

102. Who was where?
(Matt 28:2) One angel was sitting on the stone which he rolled away.
(Mark 16:5) one young man was sitting on the right side inside the tomb.
(Luke 24:4) two men were standing by the women inside the tomb.
(John 20:1-2,12) no one was there at Mary's first visit; at Mary's second visit
an angel was sitting at the head and another angel was sitting
at the feet. 

103. What did the angels tell her?
(Matt 28:6-7) The angel instructed Mary to tell the disciples that Jesus is
going to Galilee.
(Mark 16:6-7) The angel instructed Mary to tell the disciples that Jesus is
going to Galilee.
(Luke 24:5-7,49) they were specifically NOT instructed to go to Galilee but to
stay in Jerusalem and not leave .
(John 20:2, 13-17) Jesus instructed Mary about the resurrection, the angels
told her nothing.
(Acts 1:4, 2:1) they were specifically NOT instructed to go to Galilee but to
stay in Jerusalem and not leave.

104. Where were the disciples?
(MATT 28:16) Disciples departed Jerusalem and went to Galilee.
(MARK 16:7) Disciples departed Jerusalem and went to Galilee.
(LUKE 24:5-7, 49) the disciples never departed Jerusalem.
(ACTS 1:4) the disciples never departed Jerusalem.

105. That happened after encountering Paul?
(Mark 1:7-13) Immediately after Jesus's baptism and encounter with Paul, Jesus
went into the wilderness for forty days, and dwelled
alone. 
(John 1:27-40) After the encounter, Jesus continued to live near Galilee, and
went about gathering disciples.

106. When did he get his disciples?
(Mark 1:14,16-18) Jesus gathered Simon, Andrew and other disciples after John
the Baptist was imprisoned.
(John 1:40-42, 3:22-24) Jesus already had his disciples including Simon and
Andrew before John was imprisoned.

107. Forgiveness?
(Mark 3:29) Cursing or blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable. 
(Acts 13:39) All sins can be forgiven. 

108. What hour? 
(MARK 15:25) Jesus is crucified at the third hour.
(JOHN 19:14-15) Jesus is crucified at the sixth hour.

109. Did they believe?
(MARK 16:13) when the disciples were told of the encounter with Jesus they did
not believe.
(LUKE 24:34) When the disciples were told o fifth encounter with Jesus they
declared "IT IS TRUE!"

110. Who and when?
(MARK 16:1) Mary prepared the spices after the Sabbath.
(LUKE 23:56) Mary prepared the spices before the Sabbath.
(JOHN 19:39) Nicodemus prepared the spices before the Sabbath.

111. To love or not to love. That is the question. 
(Luke 14:26) You cannot be a disciple of Jesus unless you hate your father and
mother, your siblings, your children, your wife. (John 13:34-35) Jesus
commanded us to love one another: in this way, all men will recognize his
disciples (as in believers in Jesus).

112. You be the judge.
(John 5:22) Jesus said the Father entrusted all judgment to the son.
(John 5:27,30, 8:26) Jesus claims to be the one that passes judgment.
(John 8:15, 12:47) Jesus said that he judges no one.
(John 8:50) Jesus says there is One who seeks and judges (as in God the Father)
(Acts 10:42) Jesus was ordained by god to be judge of the living and the dead.
(I Corinthians 6:2) It will be the "saints" who judge the whole world.
(II Corinthians 5:10) Jesus sits in the judgment seat 
113.When did it happen?
(John 20:22) The apostles receive the Holy Spirit on the first Easter Sunday
(Acts 1:5,8,2:1-4) the Holy Spirit was bestowed on Pentecost fifty
days later.
114.See no (fill in the blank), hear no (same fill in), speak
no. huh? 
(Acts 9:7) Men with Paul were struck speechless because they heard a voice but
saw nothing 
(Acts 22:9) men with Paul saw light and were afraid but heard nothing.
115.Is unrighteousness good or bad?
(Rom 1:17-18)"...the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness".
(Rom 3:5)"But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what
shall we say..."(Paul sees no difficulty that his
unrighteousness is a useful tool to promote his religion) 116.What's the reward
for good?
(Rom 2:6)"Who will render to every man according to his deeds:"
(Rom 5:14, 18-19)"Nevertheless death reigned...even over them that had not
sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression...".
117.Who bears the burden?
(Gal 6:2) Bear one another's burdens.
(Gal 6:5) each shall bear his own burdens.

113.Smoke it, or eat it? What's with this grass?
(Revelations 8:7) Fire will consume all the grass in the world.
(Revelations 9:4) Later, an army of locusts will be instructed not to harm any
of the grass.

Should we kill?
Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."
Leviticus 24:17 "And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death."
vs. 
Exodus 32:27 "Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by
his side, . . . and slay every man his brother, . . .
companion, . . . neighbor."
I Samuel 6:19 " . . . and the people lamented because the Lord had smitten many
of the people with a great slaughter."
I Samuel 15:2,3,7,8 "Thus saith the Lord . . . Now go and smite Amalek, and
utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but
slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. . 
 . And Saul smote the Amalekites . . . and utterly destroyed
all the people with the edge of the sword."
Numbers 15:36 "And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and
stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded
Moses." 
Hosea 13:16 "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in
pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up."

For a discussion of the defense that the Commandments prohibit only murder, see
"Murder, He Wrote", chapter 27 (Losing Faith In Faith: From Preacher To
Atheist).

Should we tell lies?
Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
Proverbs 12:22 "Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord."
vs. 
I Kings 22:23 "The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy
prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee."
II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
that they should believe a lie."

Also, compare Joshua 2:4-6 with James 2:25.

Should we steal?
Exodus 20:15 "Thou shalt not steal."
Leviticus 19:13 "Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, neither rob him."
vs.
Exodus 3:22 "And ye shall spoil the Egyptians."
Exodus 12:35-36 "And they spoiled [plundered, NRSV] the Egyptians."
Luke 19:29-34 "[Jesus] sent two of his disciples, Saying, Go ye into the
village . . . ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat:
loose him, and bring him hither. And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him?
thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. . . . And as
they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the
colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him."

I was taught as a child that when you take something without asking for it,
that is stealing. 

Shall we keep the sabbath? 
Exodus 20:8 "Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy." 
Exodus 31:15 "Whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be
put to death."
Numbers 15:32,36 "And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they
found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. . .
. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with
stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses." 
vs. 
Isaiah 1:13 "The new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot
away with; it is iniquity."
John 5:16 "And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus and sought to slay him,
because he had done these things on the sabbath day."
Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in
respect of an holy-day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days."

Shall we make graven images? 
Exodus 20:4 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of
anything that is in heaven . . . earth . . . water."
Leviticus 26:1 "Ye shall make ye no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up
a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of
stone." 
Deuteronomy 27:15 "Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image."
vs. 
Exodus 25:18 "And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt
thou make them." 
I Kings 7:15,16,23,25 "For he [Solomon] cast two pillars of brass . . . and
two chapiters of molten brass . . . And he made a molten sea . . .
it stood upon twelve oxen . . . [and so on]" 

Are we saved through works? 
Ephesians 2:8,9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith . . . not of works." 
Romans 3:20,28 "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be
justified in his sight."
Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,
but by the faith of Jesus Christ."
vs. 
James 2:24 "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith
only."
Matthew 19:16-21 "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what
good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And
he [Jesus] said unto him . . . keep the commandments. . . . The young man saith
unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up:
what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that
thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven."

The common defense here is that "we are saved by faith and works." But Paul
said "not of works."

Should good works be seen?
Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good
works."
I Peter 2:12 "Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that . . 
they may by your good works, which they shall behold,
glorify God in the day of visitation."
vs.
Matthew 6:1-4 "Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of
them . . . that thine alms may be in secret."
Matthew 23:3,5 "Do not ye after their [Pharisees'] works. . . . all their works
they do for to be seen of men."

Should we own slaves?
Leviticus 25:45-46 "Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn
among you, of them shall ye buy, . . . and they shall be your
possession . . . they shall be your bondmen forever."
Genesis 9:25 "And he [Noah] said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall
he be unto his brethren." 
Exodus 21:2,7 "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in
the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. . . . And if a
man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the
manservants do."
Joel 3:8 "And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the
children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a
people far off: for the Lord hath spoken it."
Luke 12:47,48 [Jesus speaking] "And that servant, which knew his lord's will,
and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will,
shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things
worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes."
Colossians 3:22 "Servants, obey in all things your masters."
vs. 
Isaiah 58:6 "Undo the heavy burdens . . . let the oppressed go free, . . .
break every yoke." 
Matthew 23:10 "Neither be ye called Masters: for one is your Master, even
Christ." 

Pro-slavery bible verses were cited by many churches in the South during the
Civil War, and were used by some theologians in the Dutch
Reformed Church to justify apartheid in South Africa. There are more
pro-slavery verses than cited here.
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Does God change his mind?

·Malachi 3:6 "For I am the Lord; I change not."

·Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man,
that he should repent." ·Ezekiel 24:14 "I the Lord have
spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither
will I spare, neither will I repent."

·James 1:17 " . . . the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither
shadow of turning."

vs.

·Exodus 32:14 "And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto
 his people." 

·Genesis 6:6,7 "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth 
. . And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have
created from the face of the earth . . . for it repenteth me that I have made
him." ·Jonah 3:10 ". . . and God repented of the evil, that he had
said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."

See also II Kings 20:1-7, Numbers 16:20-35, Numbers 16:44-50.

See Genesis 18:23-33, where Abraham gets God to change his mind about the
minimum number of righteous people in Sodom required to
avoid destruction, bargaining down from fifty to ten. (An omniscient God must
have known that he was playing with Abraham's hopes for
mercy--he destroyed the city anyway.)

Are we punished for our parents' sins?

·Exodus 20:5 "For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of
the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth
generation." (Repeated in Deuteronomy 5:9) ·Exodus 34:6-7 " . . . The Lord God,
merciful and gracious, . . . that will by no means clear the
guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the
children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation."

·I Corinthians 15:22 "For as in Adam all die, . . ."

vs.

·Ezekiel 18:20 "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father."

·Deuteronomy 24:16 "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children,
neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be
put to death for his own sin." 

Is God good or evil?

·Psalm 145:9 "The Lord is good to all."

·Deuteronomy 32:4 "a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he."

vs.

·Isaiah 45:7 "I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things."
See "Out of Context" for more on Isaiah 45:7.

·Lamentations 3:38 "Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and
good?" 

·Jeremiah 18:11 "Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I frame evil against you, and
devise a device against you." ·Ezekiel 20:25,26 "I gave them also statutes that
were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live. And I polluted them
in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that
openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might
know that I am the Lord."

Does God tempt people?

·James 1:13 "Let no man say . . . I am tempted of God: for God cannot be
tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
vs.
Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt
Abraham." 

Is God peaceable?

Romans 15:33 "The God of peace." ·Isaiah 2:4 ". . . and they shall beat their
swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks:
nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any
more."
vs.
Exodus 15:3 "The Lord is a man of war."

Joel 3:9-10 "Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw
near; let them come up: Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks
into spears: let the weak say, I am strong."

Was Jesus peaceable?

·John 14:27 "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you."

·Acts 10:36 "The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching
peace by Jesus Christ." 

Luke 2:14 " . . . on earth peace, good will toward men."
vs.
Matthew 10:34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to
send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at
variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the
daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be
they of his own household."

Luke 22:36 "Then said he unto them, . . . he that hath no sword, let him sell
his garment, and buy one."

Was Jesus trustworthy?

John 8:14 "Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true."
vs.
John 5:31 "If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true."

"Record" and "witness" in the above verses are the same Greek word (martyria).

Shall we call people names?

Matthew 5:22 "Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire."
[Jesus speaking]
vs.
Matthew 23:17 "Ye fools and blind." [Jesus speaking]

Psalm 14:1 "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God."

Has anyone seen God?

John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time."

·Exodus 33:20 "Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and
live." 

·John 6:46 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God
[Jesus], he hath seen the Father."

I John 4:12 "No man hath seen God at any time."
vs.
Genesis 32:30 "For I have seen God face to face."

Exodus 33:11 "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh
unto his friend."

Isaiah 6:1 "In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon
a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple."
·Job 42:5 "I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye
seeth thee."

How many Gods are there?

Deuteronomy 6:4 "The Lord our God is one Lord."
vs.
Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image."

·Genesis 3:22 "And the Lord God said, Behold, the man has become as one of us,
to know good and evil."

I John 5:7 "And there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the
Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

It does no good to claim that "Let us" is the magisterial "we." Such usage
implies inclusivity of all authorities under a king's leadership.
Invoking the Trinity solves nothing because such an idea is more contradictory
than the problem it attempts to solve.

Are we all sinners?

Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."

Romans 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one."

Psalm 14:3 "There is none that doeth good, no, not one."

vs.

Job 1:1 "There was a man . . . who name was Job; and that man was perfect and
upright." 

Genesis 7:1 "And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the
ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this
generation." 

Luke 1:6 "And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the
commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless."

How old was Ahaziah?

II Kings 8:26 "Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign."

vs.

II Chronicles 22:2 "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to
reign." 

Should we swear an oath?

Numbers 30:2 "If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath . . . he shall
do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth." 

Genesis 21:22-24,31 " . . . swear unto me here by God that thou wilt not deal
falsely with me . . . And Abraham said, I will swear. . . .
Wherefore he called that place Beersheba ["well of the oath"]; because there
they sware both of them." 

Hebrews 6:13-17 "For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear
by no greater, he sware by himself . . . for men verily swear by the greater:
and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife. Wherein God,
willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of
his counsel, confirmed it by an oath."

See also Genesis 22:15-19, Genesis 31:53, and Judges 11:30-39.
vs.
Matthew 5:34-37 "But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven . . .
nor by the earth . . . . Neither shalt thou swear by thy head. . . But let your
communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh
of evil."

James 5:12 ". . . swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither
by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall
into condemnation."

When was Jesus crucified?

Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour, and they crucified him."
vs.
John 19:14-15 "And about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold
your King! But they cried out . . . crucify him."

It is an ad hoc defense to claim that there are two methods of reckoning time
here. It has never been shown that this is the case.

Shall we obey the law?

·I Peter 2:13 "Submit yourself to every ordinance of man . . . to the king, as
supreme; Or unto governors." ·Matthew 22:21 "Render therefore unto Caesar the
things which are Caesar's." 

See also Romans 13:1,7 and Titus 3:1.
vs.
·Acts 5:29 "We ought to obey God rather then men."

How many animals on the ark?

·Genesis 6:19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt
thou bring into the ark."

·Genesis 7:8-9 "Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of
fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, There went in two and
two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded
Noah." 

Genesis 7:15 "And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all
flesh, wherein is the breath of life."
vs.
Genesis 7:2 "Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male
and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his
female." 

Were women and men created equal?

Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created
he him; male and female created he them." 
vs.
Genesis 2:18,23 "And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be
alone; I will make him an help meet for him. . . . And Adam said, This is now
bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she
was taken out of Man." 

Were trees created before humans?

Genesis 1:12-31 "And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed
after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after
his kind: . . . And the evening and the morning were the third day. . . . And
God said, Let us make man in our image . . . And the evening and the morning
were the sixth day." 
vs.
Genesis 2:5-9 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and
every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to
rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. And the Lord
God formed man of the dust of the ground . . .And the Lord God planted a garden
eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the
ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and
good for food."

How many stalls did Solomon have?

I Kings 4:26 "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots,
and twelve thousand horsemen." 
vs.
II Chronicles 9:25 "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and
 chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen."

Did Paul's men hear a voice?

Acts 9:7 "And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a
voice, but seeing no man."
vs.
Acts 22:9 "And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid;
 but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me."

(For more detail on this contradiction, with a linguistic analysis of the Greek
 words, see "Did Paul's Men Hear A Voice?" by Dan Barker,
published in the The Skeptical Review, 1994 #1)

Is God omnipotent?

Jeremiah 32:27 "Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there anything
 too hard for me?

Matthew 19:26 "But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is
 impossible; but with God all things are possible."
vs.
Judges 1:19 "And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of
 the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of
the valley, because they had chariots of iron."

Does God live in light?

I Timothy 6:15-16 " . . . the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath
 immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can
approach . . ."

James 1:17 " . . . the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither
 shadow of turning."

John 12:35 "Then Jesus saith unto them, . . . he that walketh in darkness
 knoweth not wither he goeth."

Job 18:18 "He [the wicked] shall be driven from light into darkness, and chased
 out of the world."

Daniel 2:22 "He [God] knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth
 with him."

See also Psalm 143:3, II Corinthians 6:14, and Hebrews 12:18-22.

vs.

·I Kings 8:12 "Then spake Solomon, The Lord said that he would dwell in the
thick darkness." (Repeated in II Chronicles 6:1)

·II Samuel 22:12 "And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters,
and thick clouds of the skies. 

·Psalm 18:11 "He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him
were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies."

·Psalm 97:1-2 "The Lord reigneth; let the earth rejoice . . . clouds and
darkness are round about him." 

Does God accept human sacrifice?

·Deuteronomy 12:31 "Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for every
abomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for
even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods."
vs.
Genesis 22:2 "And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou
lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt
 offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of." ·Exodus 22:29
"For thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy
liquors; the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me."

·Judges 11:30-39 "And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou
shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hand, Then it shall
be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I
return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I
will offer it up for a burnt offering. So Jephthah passed over unto the
children of Ammon . . . and the Lord delivered them into his hands. . . .
And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came
out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: . . . And it came to pass at the
end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her
according to his vow which he had vowed."

II Samuel 21:8-14 "But the king [David] took the two sons of Rizpah . . . and
the five sons of Michal . . . and he delivered them into the
hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the hill before the Lord: and
they fell all seven together, and were put to death in the
days of harvest . . . And after that God was intreated for the land."

Hebrews 10:10-12 " . . . we are sanctified through the offering of the body of
Jesus Christ . . . But this man, after he had offered one
sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God."

I Corinthians 5:7 " . . . For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us."

Who was Joseph's father?

Matthew 1:16 "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born
Jesus." 
vs.
Luke 3:23 "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as
was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli."
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God good to all, or just a few?

PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his
works.

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the 
sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but
destroy them. 

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War or Peace?

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

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Who is the father of Joseph?

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus,
who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was
supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

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Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it :

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of
the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of
James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint
him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet
dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

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Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto
you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go
unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. 

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Which first--beasts or man?

GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after
their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and
God saw that it was good.

GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and
let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air,
and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that
creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone;
I will make him an help meet for him.

GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field,
and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call
them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name
thereof.

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The number of beasts in the ark

GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and
his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male
and his female.

GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of
every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
GEN 7:9 There
went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had
commanded Noah.

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How many stalls and horsemen?

KI1 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and
twelve thousand horsemen.

CH2 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and
twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the
king at Jerusalem. 

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Is it folly to be wise or not?

PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy
getting get understanding.

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that in- creaseth knowledge
increaseth sorrow.

1 Cor.1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will
bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent." 

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Human vs. ghostly impregnation

ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath
to him, that of the fruit of his loins, ac- cording to the flesh, he would
raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother
Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with
child of the Holy Ghost. 

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The sins of the father

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers;
that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world
with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall
the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death
for his own sin.

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The bat is not a bird

LEV 11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the
fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the
ossifrage, and the ospray,

LEV 11:14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;

LEV 11:15 Every raven after his kind;

LEV 11:16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after
his kind,

LEV 11:17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,

LEV 11:18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,

LEV 11:19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapw- ing, and the
bat.

DEU 14:11 Of all clean birds ye shall eat.

DEU 14:12 But these are they of which ye shall not eat: the eagle, and the
ossifrage, and the ospray,

DEU 14:13 And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind,

DEU 14:14 And every raven after his kind,

DEU 14:15 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after
his kind,

DEU 14:16 The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan,

DEU 14:17 And the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the cor- morant,

DEU 14:18 And the stork, and the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the
bat. 

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Rabbits do not chew their cud

LEV 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof;
he is unclean unto you.

'Gerah', the term which appears in the MT means (chewed) cud, and also perhaps
grain, or berry (also a 20th of a sheckel, but I think that we can agree that
that is irrelevant here). It does *not* mean dung, and there is a perfectly
adequate Hebrew word for that, which could have been used. Furthermore, the
phrase translated 'chew the cud' in the KJV is more exactly 'bring up the cud'.
Rabbits do not bring up anything; they let it go all the way through, then eat
it again. The description given in Leviticus is inaccurate, and that's that.
Rabbits do eat their own dung; they do not bring anything up and chew on it.

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Insects do NOT have four feet

LEV 11:21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon
all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;

LEV 11:22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the
bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper
after his kind.

LEV 11:23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be
an abomination unto you.

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Snails do not melt

PSA 58:8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the
untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.

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Fowl from waters or ground?

GEN 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving
creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open
firmament of heaven.

GEN 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth,
which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged
fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field,
and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call
them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name
thereof. 

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Odd genetic engineering

GEN 30:39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle
ringstraked, speckled, and spotted. 

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The shape of the earth

ISA 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the
inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens
as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

MAT 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and
sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Astromical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior surface
from anyplace. The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete, sections of Asia
Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea,
and other settlements from these kingdoms of the world were widely distributed.

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Snakes, while built low, do not eat dirt

GEN 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this,
thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy
belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 

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Earth supported?

JOB 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the
earth upon nothing.

JOB 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if
thou hast understanding.

 

Heaven supported too

JOB 26:11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.

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The hydrological cycle

ECC 1:7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the
place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

JOB 38:22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen
the treasures of the hail,

Storehouses are not part of the cycle

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Order of creation

Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:

Day 1: Sky, Earth, light

Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)

Day 3: Plants

Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)

Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies
(reptiles, insects, etc.)

Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)

Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)

Note that there are "days", "evenings", and "mornings" before the Sun was
created. Here, the Deity is referred to as "Elohim", which is a plural, thus
the literal translation, "the Gods". In this tale, the Gods seem satisfied with
what they have done, saying after each step that "it was good".

The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes:

Earth and heavens (misty)

Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)

Plants

Animals

Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib)

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How orderly were things created?

#1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars
on the first three "days".

#2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not
satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny
thing that an omniscient god would forget things)

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How satisfied with creation was he?

#1: God says "it was good" after each of his labors, and rests on the seventh
day, evidently very satisfied.

#2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be
very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple. (funny thing
that an omniscient god would forget things)

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Moses' personality

Num.12:3: "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon
the fact of the earth."

Num.31:14, 17, 18: "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye
saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little
ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep alive for
yourselves." 

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Righteous live?

Ps.92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."

Isa.57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."

Acts 1:18: "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity;
and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed
out."

Matt. 27:5-7: "And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and
departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests...bought with them
the potter's field." 

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Jesus' first sermon plain or mount?

Matt.5:1,2: "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he
was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them,
saying...."

Luke6:17,20: "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the
company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came to hear him..
And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..."

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Jesus' last words

Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying,
"Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou
forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the
ghost."

Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto
thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is
finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

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Years of famine

II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall
SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three
months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?

I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the
LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destryed
before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;

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Moved David to anger?

II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and
he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Isreal, and provoked David to
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The GENEALOGY OF JESUS?

In two places in the New Testament the genealogy of Jesus son of Mary is
mentioned. Matthew 1:6-16 and Luke 3:23-31. Each gives the ancestors of Joseph
the CLAIMED husband of Mary and Step father of Jesus(PBUH). The first one
starts from Abraham(verse
2) all the way down to Jesus. The second one from Jesus all the way back to
Adam. The only common name to these two lists between David and Jesus is
JOSEPH, How can this be true? and also How can Jesus have a genealogy when all
Muslims and most Christians believe that Jesus had/has no father.

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God be seen?

Exod. 24:9,10; Amos 9:1; Gen. 26:2; and John 14:9

God CAN be seen:

"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (Ex. 33:23)

"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend."
(Ex. 33:11)

"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Gen. 32:30)

God CANNOT be seen:

"No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)

"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and
live." (Ex. 33:20)

"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1 Tim. 6:16)

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CRUEL, UNMERCIFUL, DESTRUCTIVE, and FEROCIOUS or KIND, MERCIFUL, and GOOD:

"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (Jer. 13:14) "Now go
and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not,
but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."

"The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy." (James 5:11)

"For his mercy endureth forever." (1 Chron. 16:34)

"The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works."
(Ps. 145:9)

"God is love." (1 John 4:16) 

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Tempts?

"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham."
(Gen 22:1)

"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be
tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (James 1:13) 

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Judas died how?

"And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went
out and hanged himself." (Matt. 27:5)

"And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels
gushed out." (Acts 1:18) 

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Ascend to heaven

"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2 Kings 2:11)

"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the
Son of Man." (John 3:13) 

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What was Jesus' prediction regarding Peter's denial?

Before the cock crow - Matthew 26:34

Before the cock crow twice - Mark 14:30

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How many times did the cock crow?

MAR 14:72 And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word
that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me
thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.

MAT 26:74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And
immediately the cock crew.

MAT 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before
the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he
went out, and wept bitterly.

LUK 22:60 And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And immediately,
while he yet spake, the cock crew.

LUK 22:61 And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the
word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt
deny me thrice.

JOH 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily,
 verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, still thou hast denied me
thrice.

JOH 18:27 Peter then denied again: and immediately the cock crew.

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Who killed Saul

SA1 31:4 Then said Saul unto his armourbearer, Draw thy sword, and thrust me
through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and thrust me through, and
abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. Therefore
Saul took a sword, and fell upon it.

SA1 31:5 And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead, he fell likewise
upon his sword, and died with him.

SA1 31:6 So Saul died, and his three sons, and his armourbearer, and all his
men, that same day together.

SA2 1:15 And David called one of the young men, and said, Go near, and fall
upon him. And he smote him that he died.

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How many beatitudes in the Sermon on the Mount

MAT 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the king- dom of heaven.

MAT 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comfort- ed.

MAT 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

MAT 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for
they shall be filled.

MAT 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

MAT 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

MAT 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of
God.

MAT 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteous- ness' sake: for
theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

MAT 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and
shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

LUK 6:20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye
poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.

LUK 6:21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye
that weep now: for ye shall laugh.

LUK 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate
you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil,
for the Son of man's sake.

LUK 6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is
great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

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Does every man sin?

KI1 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and
thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them
away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

CH2 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and
thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they
carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

PRO 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?

ECC 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth
 not.

JO1 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.

JO1 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

JO1 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.

JO1 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in
him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 

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Who bought potter's field

ACT 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of ini- quity; and
falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his
bowels gushed out.

ACT 1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that
field is called in their proper tongue, Acelda-ma, that is to say, The field of
blood.

MAT 27:6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not
lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.

MAT 27:7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to
bury strangers in.

MAT 27:8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.

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Who prophesied the potter's field?

Matthew 27:9-10 (mentions Jeremy but no such verse in Jeremiah) is in
Zechariah 11:12-13 

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Who bears guilt?

GAL 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

GAL 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.

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Do you answer a fool?

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto
him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own
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How many children did Michal, the daughter of Saul, have?

SA2 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her
death.

SA2 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom
she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the
five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the
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How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign? 

KI2 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he
reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the
daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

CH2 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned
three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the
sight of the LORD. 

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Marriage?

Proverbs 18:22

1 Corinthians 7 (whole book. See 1,2,27,39,40)

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Did those with Saul/Paul at his conversion hear a voice?

ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice,
but seeing no man.

ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but
they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. 

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Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?

MAR 1:12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilder- ness.

JOH 1:35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
(various trapsing) 

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How many apostles were in office between the resurection and ascention?

1 Corinthians 15:5 (12)

Matthew 27:3-5 (minus one from 12)

Acts 1:9-26 (Mathias not elected until after resurrection)

MAT 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain
where Jesus had appointed them.

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Judging

1 Cor 3:15 " The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself
is not subject to any man's judgment:" (NIV)

1 Cor 4:5 " Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the
Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose
the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from
God." 

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Good deeds

Matt 5:16 "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see
your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." (NIV)

Matt 6:3-4 "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what
your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your
Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (NIV)

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For or against?

MAT 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with
me scattereth abroad. (default is against)

MAR 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part. (default is for)

LUK 9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us
is for us. (default is for) 

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Whom did they see at the tomb?

MAT 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord
descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and
sat upon it.

MAT 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:

MAT 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.

MAT 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I
know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

MAR 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the
right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were
affrighted.

LUK 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold,
two men stood by them in shining garments:

JOH 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the
other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. 

God change?

Malachi 3:6

James 1:17

1 Samuel 15:29


Jonah 3:10

Genesis 6:6 

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Destruction of cities (what said was jeremiah was zechariah)

MAT 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet,
saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was
valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;

Zechariah 11:11-13

(nothing in Jeremiah remotely like)

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Who's sepulchers

acts 7:16

Genesis 23:17,18 

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Strong drink?

Proverbs 31:6,7

john 2:11-11 

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When second coming?

MAT 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these
things be fulfilled.

MAR 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all
these things be done.

LUK 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all
be fulfilled.

1 thessalonians 4:15-18 

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Solomon's overseers

550 in I Kings 9:23

250 in II Chron 8:10 

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The mother of Abijah:

Maachah the daughter of Absalom 2 Chron 9:20

Michaiah the daughter of Uriel 2 Chron 13:2 

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When did Baasha die?

26th year of the reign of Asa I Kings 16:6-8

36th year of the reign of Asa I 2 Chron 16:1 

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How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?

22 in 2 Kings 8:26

42 in 2 Chron 22:2 

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Who was Josiah's successor?

Jehoahaz - 2 Chron 36:1

Shallum - Jeremiah 22:11 

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What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial?

scarlet - Matthew 27:28

purple John 19:2 

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What did they give him to drink?

vinegar - Matthew 27:34

wine with myrrh - Mark 15:23 

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How long was Jesus in the tomb?

Depends where you look; Matthew 12:40 gives Jesus prophesying that he will
spend "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth", and Mark 10:34
has "after three days (meta treis emeras) he will rise again". As far as I can
see from a quick look, the prophecies have "after three days", but the
post-resurrection narratives have "on the third day".

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God creates animals and then man - Gen 1:25-26

God creates man and then the animals - Gen 2:18-19

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Arpachshad's son was Shelah - Gen 11:12

Arpachshad's grandson was Shelah - Luke 3:35-36

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Noah takes 7 pairs of each type of animal onto the ark

- Gen 7:2-3

Noah takes one pair of animal onto the ark - Gen 6:19

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Terah's lifespan.

Acts 7:4 states Terah was dead when Abraham left Haran.

According to Gen 11:26, Terah was 70 when Abraham was

born and Abraham was 75 when he left Haran. Therefore

he lived 70 years (ie. his age when Abraham was born)

plus 75 years (Abraham's age when he left Haran -

Terah was dead at this time according to Acts 7:4) -

145 years in total. However, Gen 11:32 states he lived

205 years.

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God promises Abraham the land of Canaan to live in -

Gen 17:8

God did not allow Abraham to live in the promised land

- Acts 7:5, Heb 11:8,9,13

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Jacob's offspring in Egypt totalled 70 - Gen 46:26-27,

Ex 1:5

Jacob's offspring in Egypt totalled 75 - Acts 7:14

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Jacob was buried in a cave in Machpelah's field that

was bought from Ephron the Hittite - Gen 50:13

Jacob was buried in a tomb at Shechem bought from the

sons of Hamor - Acts 7:15-16

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The Hebrews dwelt in Egypt for 430 years - Ex 2:40

The Hebrews dwelt in Egypt for 400 years - Acts 7:6

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God's plague kills 23,000 - Num 25:9

God's plague kills 24,000 - 1 Cor 10:8

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The Hebrews' journeying - Mount Hor (where Aaron dies),

Zalmonah, Punon - Num 33:37,38,41,42

The Hebrews' journeying - Beeroth Benejaakan, Moserah

(where Aaron dies), Gudgodah, Jotbathah - Deut 10:6,7

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God forbids killing - Ex 20:13

God commands killing - Ex 32:27

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Solomon's reign.

Acts 13:16-22 numbers the years from when the Hebrews

left Egypt to David beginning his reign as 40

(Wilderness) + 450 (Judges) + 40 (Saul) = 530 years.

According to 1 Chron 29:27, David reigned 40 years, so

Solomon became king (when David died) 530 + 40 years

(of David's reign) = 570 years. However, 1 Kings 6:1

states Solomon's 4th year of rule (when he began the

Temple building) was 480 years after the Hebrews left

Egypt, ie. he began his rule 476 years after the

Hebrews left. In sum, there is a contradiction of 94

years.

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Saul inquired of God, but God did not answer him - 1

Sam 28:6

Saul died because he did not seek guidance from God - 1

Chron 10:13,14

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Jesse had seven children - 1 Sam 16:10-13

Jesse had eight children - 1 Chron 2:13-15

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David slays Goliath - 1 Sam 17:4,7,50

Elhanan slays Goliath - 2 Sam 21:19

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Joram his son, Ahaziah his son, Joash his son, Amaziah

his son, Azariah his son, Jotham his son - 1 Chron

3:11,12

Joram the father of Uzziah, and Uzziah the father of

Jotham - Matt 1:8,9

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Asa removes the high places - places - 2 Chron 14:2

Asa did not remove the high places - 1 Kings 15:11-14

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Uzzah dies at the threshing-floor of Nacon - 2 Samuel

6:6

Uzzah dies at the threshing-floor of Chidon - 1 Chron

13:9

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David takes 1700 horsemen - 2 Sam 8:4

David takes 7000 horsemen - 1 Chron 18:4

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David destroys 700 chariots - 2 Sam 10:18

David destroys 7000 chariots - 1 Chron 19:18

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Satan incites David to number the people - 1 Chron 21:1

God incites David to number the people - 2 Sam 24:1

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Joab's numbering of the army. 1,100,00 soldiers in

Israel; 470,000 soldiers in Judah - 1 Chron 21:5

Joab's numbering of the army. 800,000 soldiers in

Israel; 500,000 in Judah - 2 Sam 24:9

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David buys the land for the altar from Ornan for 600

shekels of gold - 1 Chron 21:24-25

David buys the land for the altar from Araunah for 50

shekels - 2 Sam 24:24

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Solomon had 4,000 stalls and 12,000 horsemen - 2 Chron

9:25

Solomon had 40,000 stalls and 12,000 horsemen - 1 Kings

4:26

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The Temple pillars were 18 cubits - 1 Kings 7:15

The Temple pillars were 35 cubits - 2 Chron 3:15

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The molten sea held 2000 baths - 1 Kings 7:23,26

The molten sea held 3000 baths - 2 Chron 4:2,5

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The importance of wisdom - Proverbs 4:7

The unimportance of wisdom - 1 Cor 1:19

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The joy of wisdom - Proverbs 3:13-15

The misery of wisdom - Ecc 1:18

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How the righteous suffer like the wicked - Ecc 9:2,

Isaiah 57:1

How the righteous flourish - Psalm 92:12-13

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No ills befall the righteous - Proverbs 12:21

How the righteous suffer - Job 12:4,6, Hebrews 11:35-37

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The wicked will die prematurely and will suffer -

Psalm 55:23, Proverbs 10:27, Job 18:5,11,18,19

The wicked lifespan is long and they enjoy life - Psalm

73:3-5,12, Job 21:7-9

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Man is to be holy - Leviticus 11:44, 19:2, 20:7

Only God is holy - Revelation 15:4

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Drinking alcohol is acceptable - Deuteronomy 14:26,

John 2:7-11, 1 Timothy 5:23

Drinking alcohol is not acceptable - Proverbs 20:1,

23:31-34, Hosea 20:1

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Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began his reign - 2

Chron 36:9

Jehoiachin was 18 years old when he began his reign - 2

Kings 24:8

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The captain takes 5 men of the king's council - 2 Kings

25:19

The captain takes 7 men of the king's council -

Jeremiah 52:25

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Baasha dies and his son Ela begins his reign over

Israel - this was in the 26th year of king Asa of Judah

- 1 Kings 16:6,8

In the 36th year of Asa's reign, Baasha attacks Judah 2

Chron 16:1

NB. 2 Chron has Baasha still fighting 10 years after 1

Kings says he died!

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The infancy narratives.

According to Luke 2:21-39, Jesus is taken to the

Jerusalem Temple eight days after he is born; the

family then go up to Nazareth. In Matthew 2:14-23,

after being born the family flee in Egypt and stay

there until Herod dies; even on returning, they avoid

Judea and go up to Nazareth.

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Jesus began ministry after John the Baptist is

imprisoned - Mark 1:14,15,17.

Jesus's began ministry whilst John was free and before

imprisoned - John 1:28-29, 3:25-30

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Jesus baptised - John 3:22

Jesus did not baptise - John 4:2

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The exorcism of Legion - being 2 men - Matt 8:28

The exorcism of Legion - being 1 man - Mark 5:1,2

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The healing on leaving Jericho was 1 blind man - Mark

10:46,47

The healing on leaving Jericho was 2 blind men - Matt

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No one has ascended into heaven before Jesus - John

3:13

Elijah ascended into heaven - 2 Kings 2:11

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Respect for parents taught - Exodus 20:12, Leviticus

19:3, Deuteronomy 5:16, Ephesians 6:1-2

Disrespect and rejection of parents taught - Matt 8:21-

22, 10:37, 19:29, 23:9, Luke 12:51,53, 14:26

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People choose not to come to Jesus - John 5:40

People can only come to Jesus if God wills it - John 6:44

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Jesus judges - John 5:22,27, 9:39, 2 Corinthians 5:10

Jesus does not judge - John 8:15, 12:47

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Christians to hate their brothers - - Luke 14:26

Whoever hates their brother cannot have eternal life - 1 John 3:15

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Jesus refuses to give signs - Matthew 12:38,39, Mark

8:12, Luke 11:29

Jesus did give signs - John 3:2, 20:30, Acts 2:22

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Man judged/saved by faith - John 3:15,16,36, 5:24,

20:31, Acts 2:21, 16:30,31, Rom 1:17, 5:1,9,11,18,

10:9, Gal 2:16, Phil 3:9, Eph 2:8,9

Man judged/saved by works and lifestyle - Psalm 62:12,

Proverbs 24:12, Matthew 7:21, 16:27, 19:16,17, 25:31-

46, Luke 14;13-14, John 5:29, Acts 10:35, Rom

2:6,7,9,10, 1 Cor 3:8

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One of the disciples was lost - John 17:12

None of the disciple were lost - John 18:9

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Jesus refers to David eating the consecrated bread in

the time of Abithar - Mark 2:25,26

In fact David ate the consecrated bread in the time of

Ahimelech - 1 Sam 21:1-6

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Disciples being sent out not to wear sandals - Matthew

10:9,10

Disciples being sent out to wear sandals - Mark 6:8,9

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No man can retain the spirit after death - Eccles 8:8

Peter restores spirit of Tabitha after death - Acts

9:37,40

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Believers not to worry about providing for family -

Luke 14:26,33, 18:29,30

Believers must provide for family - 1 Timothy 5:8

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Jesus did not bear witness to himself - John 5:31

Jesus did bear witness to himself - John 8:14,18

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The law/commandments to remain for ever - Matthew 5:17-

19, Luke 16:17

The law has ended - Romans 7:4, Eph 2:15, Col 2:14

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Simon and Andrew's home was in Capernaum - Mark 1:21,29

Simon and Andrew's home was in the same place as

Philip's - Bethsaida - John 1:44

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God has given all things into Jesus' hands - John 3:35

God has not given all things into Jesus' hands - Matt

20:23, John 5:19

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Everyone sins - 2 Chronicles 6:36, Ecclesiastes 7:20,

Rom 3:10,12,23

Believers do not sin - 1 John 3:6,9, 5:18

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The anointing and entry into Jerusalem.

Matthew and Mark detail how Jesus rode into Jerusalem

in Matt 20:1-13, Mark 11:1-11. It was after this that

he was anointed at Bethany - Matt 26:6-16, Mark 14:3-

11. But in John he is anointed (12:1-8) and it is

after this that he rides into Jerusalem (12:12-15).

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The Last Supper.

The Synoptics make it clear this was the Passover meal

- Matt 26:19, Mark 14:16, Luke 22:13. However in John,

the meal was held on the day before the Passover -

13:29, and after the meal the Passover had still not

begun - 18:28, and after the trial, it was the day

("Preparation") for the Passover. The Passover was on

the day after Jesus was crucified (ie. because the

Passover fell on the Saturday sabbath, it is therefore

called a 'high day') - John 19:31.

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Peter denies Jesus before the cock crows - Luke 22:34,

John 12:38

Peter denies Jesus before the cock crows twice - Mark

14:30, 14:72

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Peter is warned he will deny Jesus after the last

supper and having left the upper room - Matt 26:20-34,

Mark 14:17-30

Peter is warned he will deny Jesus during the last

supper before leaving the upper room - Luke 22:33-39,

John 13:37-38/ 18:1

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Jesus' trial before the sanhedrin was at night and in

morning he was taken to Pilate - Matthew 26:57-68,

27:1-2

Jesus' trial before the sanhedrin and being taken to

Pilate was in the morning - Luke 22:66-71, 23:1

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Simon of Cyrene carries Jesus' cross - Matthew 27:32

Jesus carries his cross - John 19:17,18

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Jesus was physically descended from David - Romans 1:1-

3.

The genealogy in Matt 1:1-16 only relates to Joseph

who had nothing to do with the conception. The

genealogy in Luke 3:23-38 again only mentions Joseph

and therefore physical Davidic descent must be shown

through Mary - Jesus' only contact with humanity if

virgin born. However, Luke 1:36 says Mary was related

to Elizabeth who was of the Aaronic line (Luke 1:5) and

therefore not the Davidic line, so with virgin birth,

Davidic descent, a strict prerequisite for messiahship

is prevented. In sum, Jesus couldn't be the Christ.

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Both robbers revile Jesus - Matt 27:44

Only one robber reviles Jesus and the other believes -

Luke 23:41-43

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Jesus tells the believing robber he will be with him in

paradise that day - Luke 23:43

Jesus was in the grave following his death and did not

ascend to heaven - Acts 2:24,31, John 20:17

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God forsakes Jesus - Mark 15:34

Jesus is inseparable from God - John 10:30, 14:10,

16:32

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The confirmation Jesus is dead.

In Mark 15:43-45, Joseph of Arimathea asks Pilate for

Jesus' body, and Pilate is unaware of whether he is

dead; only after sending a centurion and receiving this

confirmation does he allow Joseph to take the body.

However in John 19:31-33,38, Pilate actually

authorises the leg-breaking to ensure they have all

died and then authorises Joseph to remove the body.

NB. Mark 15:42 states it was evening, ie. the sabbath

had already begun (the Jewish 'day' beginning at 6pm),

when Joseph asks for the body. However, burial was not

allowed on this day, showing the fictitiousness of the

story.

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The Resurrection.

Who went to the tomb ? Matthew-2 Marys; Mark-2 Marys

and Salome; Luke-at least 5 women; John-Mary Magdalene,

What was seen ? Matthew-Earthquake with angel sitting

outside on the recently-moved stone; Mark-Stone already

moved and a young man sitting inside; Luke-Stone

already moved with two men standing inside; John-Stone

moved. No one seen on 1st visit, but two angels sitting

inside after two earlier visits.

When did the woman/women leave to go to the tomb ?

Matthew-Towards dawn; Mark-Very early; Luke-At early

dawn; John-Still dark (NB. John states it was still

dark when Mary arrived at the tomb).

What did man/men/angel/angels say ? Matthew-Jesus was

risen and disciples to go to Galilee; Mark-As Matthew;

Luke-Jesus had risen: John-Asks why Mary is crying.

What do the women/woman do next ? Matthew-they run

away but meet Jesus who repeats angel's instruction;

Mark-They flee and SAY NOTHING TO ANYONE. This

obviously contradicts the other three in which the

women do go and tell the disciples (original Mark ended

at 16:7); Luke-They go and tell disciples; John-Mary

meets Jesus and they talk.

What is 1st conversation with the risen Jesus ?

Matthew-Women on way from tomb; Luke-The two disciples

on road to Emmaus; John-Mary Magdalene.

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The time between the resurrection and ascension ?

Matthew-At least the time to reach Galilee (60-70 miles

north); Luke-clearly one day only (see 24:13,33,36,50 -

it is made very clear that Jesus rose, made all his

appearances and ascended back to heaven on the same

day); John-at least a week accepting John 20 as the

original end to the Gospel, but with the John 21

appendix this means it was even longer as this has a

Galilean appearance; Acts-40 days.

An attempt to reconcile John's visit of just Mary

Magdalene whilst still dark with the Synoptics where

there are several women and it is daytime, is by saying

John's was an earlier one, ie. the one in the Synoptics

was a second one. However this cannot be so as John

has Mary Magdalene seeing the empty tomb (20:1) and in

the Synoptics when the women go to the tomb they ask

about who would roll the stone away (Mark 16:3).

However Mary Magdalene was with them (Mark 16:1) and

she had already seen that the stone had been moved away

and therefore they would already know this from her 1st

visit.

Furthermore, Luke makes any appearance at, or journey

to Galilee absolutely impossible as it has everything

happening in the area of Jerusalem with the disciples

being told to stay there until Pentecost, and the

conclusion being Jesus' ascension from nearby Bethany.

This is made clear - in Luke the first appearance is to

the two travelling to Emmaus (10 miles West of

Jerusalem) and 24:13 states this was "that very day";

the two then go "that same hour" to the eleven in

Jerusalem (24:33); Jesus then appears whilst they are

still explaning what they had seen (24:36). Jesus then

tells them to STAY IN JERUSALEM UNTIL PENTECOST

(24:49).

As Luke 24:51 has the ascension on the same day as the

resurrection this prevents any Galilean appearances by

Jesus to the eleven as in Matt and John.

Luke's account makes nonsense of Matt having Jesus tell

the women to instruct the disciples to go up to Galilee

(Matt 28:10) if he was going to see them himself later

that day (as in Luke and John), and furthermore see

them in Jerusalem. Also, Luke makes it clear that the

eleven were told to stay in Jerusalem from the day of

the resurrection to Pentecost, but Matt has them

travelling up to Galilee (28:16) as does John (21:1ff).

Important to note is Mark 16:7, ie. that the women

'said nothing to anyone' - all three Gospels contradict

this by them telling the disciples which then leads

into their accounts. Because of Mark 16:7, this is

really made impossible.

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Luke also has Jesus appearing to "the eleven" on the

same day as the resurrection (24:33-36), but John

states Thomas was missing on this appearance and it was

a week later that Jesus actually appeared to all eleven

- with Thomas then being present (20:24,26).

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Part 8:

The chronology of Paul's life.

Acts

(1)Paul converted on the way to Damascus (9:1-8).

(2)He goes to Ananias in Damascus and stays there

'several days' (9:20).

(3)After 'some time'*, Paul goes to Jerusalem

(9:23,26) and meets the apostles there (9:27).

(4)Paul preaches in Jerusalem, but due to threats to

kill him, he is sent to Tarsus (9:30).

(5)Relief to Jerusalem and Judea taken by Paul &

Barnabas (2nd visit) (11:30)

(6)Paul goes to Jerusalem (3rd time) (12:25)**

(7)Paul goes to Jerusalem (3rd or 4th time)

(15:1ff).(vii)

Galatians.

(1)Paul is converted (1:16).

(2)He does not go to Jerusalem, but to Arabia and then

Damascus (1:17)

(3)After 3 years, Paul goes to Jerusalem, meeting only

Cephas and James there (1:18-19) staying only 15 days.

(4)He then goes to the regions of Syria and Cilicia

(1:21).

(5)14 years later, Paul goes to Jerusalem with Barnabas

and Titus (2:1).

(6)Paul confronts Cephas at Antioch (2:11).

(7)No further information.

* The 'some time' in Acts 9:19 is not clear as to how

long this was; different translations render this 'some

time passed' (Jerusalem), 'after a number of days'

(Moffatt); the literal Greek is "'many' with the view

of being sufficient"; however it is rendered, it is

difficult to reconcile this with the three years of Gal

1:18.

** It is not clear whether 12:25 is a return to

Jerusalem, or a return to Antioch from Jerusalem; if

the former, and the Acts 15 visit is the Gal 2:1-10

one, then in Acts it would be the fourth visit, whilst

Paul states it was only the second.

Paul's method of counting in Gal. is not absolutely

clear, ie. whether his 14 years in Gal 2:1 is 14 years

after his starting point in Gal (ie. his conversion) or

14 years after the first Jerusalem visit 3 years after

his conversion which he had mentioned immediately

beforehand (ie. a total of 17 years after his

conversion).

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Numerous others problems arise when trying to reconcile

the two accounts, eg. Acts has Paul in Jerusalem and

Judea in his early life (21:17 then 22:3) and as a

persecutor of the church there (7:58, 9:1-2,13,21,

26:10) which makes Paul's comment that (Gal 1:22) he

was not known by sight by the churches in Judea even

after his time in Jerusalem, Syria and Cilicia (1:17-

21) appear impossible. Furthermore when Paul has a

dispute with Peter at Antioch about Gentile fellowship

in Gal 2, why does he not remind him of what was agreed

at the Acts 15 conference on this very subject ?

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Abraham was justified by faith - Rom 4:1-5

Abraham was justified by works - James 2:22-24

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Man does not die for his ancestors' sin - Deut 24:16, 2

Kings 14:6, Ezek 18:20

Man does die for his ancestors' sin - Ex 20:5, 34:6-7,

2 Sam 12:13-18, Isa 14:21, Rom 5:12,19, 1 Cor 15:22

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Elijah and Moses appear many centuries after they died

- Mark 9:2-4

Only God is immortal - 1 Tim 6:15-16

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Jesus to be buried for three days and nights - Matt

12:40

Jesus buried for one day and two nights - Mark

15:42,43, John 20:1 (These texts show the burial did

not take place until Friday night and the tomb was

empty before Sunday morning). Jesus is NOT dead for

"three days and three nights" whether present-day or

Jewish time-reckoning is used.

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Jesus was the first person to rise from the dead -

Acts 26:23, Rev 1:5

Jesus was not the first person to rise from the dead -

2 Kings 4:32,35, Luke 7:12-15, Matt 9:18,25, 11:5,

27:52, John 11:44

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The Holy Spirit given on Easter Sunday - John 20:19,22

The Holy Spirit given at Pentecost - Acts 2:1-4

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Jesus warns disciples he is to leave them - John

16:5,7,28

Jesus assures disciples he will always be with them -

Matt 28:20

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The Holy Spirit not given until Jesus' death - John

7:39

The Holy Spirit given before Jesus' birth - Luke

1:41,67

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Judas dies by hanging himself - Matt 27:5-7

Judas dies by swelling up - Acts 1:18

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Women buy anointing spices for Jesus after the sabbath

- Mark 16:1

Women buy anointing spices for Jesus before the sabbath - Luke 23:56

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Paul's vision.

Acts 9:7 states the men with Paul STOOD speechless,

HEARING the voice but NOT SEEING anyone.

Acts 22:9 states they did NOT HEAR the voice.

Acts 26:14 states they all FELL to the ground and DID

HEAR the voice.

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God is impartial towards people - Acts 10:34, Rom 2:11,

Gal 2:8, Eph 6:9

God is partial towards people - Rom 8:29-30, 9:11-13,

Matt 10:5-6, 15:22-25, Luke 1:30

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Those without the law, will perish without it - Rom

2:12

Where there is no law, there can be no transgression -

Rom 4:15

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Salvation only available to a few who have been chosen

- Matt 7:14, 22:14, Luke 12:32, 13:24, John 6:37,65,

15:16,19, Rom 8:29, 9:11-23, Eph 1:4,

Salvation available to those who want it - Matt 7:7,8,

11:28, John 3:16, 5:40, 7:37, Acts 2:21, Rev 3:20

NB. Prov 16:4 states God actually made the unsaved for

'the day of trouble' (ie. damnation). In contrast to

texts that state Jesus died for the elect/a small

number, there are others that confirm, or at least

suggest everyone will be saved by Christ - John 1:29,

4:42, 1 Cor 15:29, Heb 2:9, 1 John 4:14.

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Satan is free to act as he pleases - Job 1:6-7, 2:1-2,

Zech 3;1, Matt 4:1, 1 Pet 5:8

The angels who rebelled against God are chained up -

Jude 6

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James and John ask Jesus for special places in the

kingdom - Mark 10:35-37

It is the mother of James and John who asks Jesus for

special places for them - Matt 20:21-22

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No one born of God sins - 1 John 3:9

Everyone sins - Rom 3:23, 1 John 1:8

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No one is righteous - Rom 3:10

There are righteous - James 5:16

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The sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is

unforgiveable - Matt 12:32, Mark 3:29

God forgives all sins - 1 John 1:7

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Love your enemies - Matt 5:44

Refuse to greet your enemies - 2 John 10, enemies are

cursed by Paul - Gal 1:9, Paul asks that his enemies

mutilate themselves - Gal 5:12

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Those who go into the grave will never arise - Job

7:7,9, 14:10,12

Those who go into the grave will arise - John 5:28-29,

11:24, 1 Cor 15:12-18,20-23,52, Rev 20:4

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The dead are unconscious - Job 14:12, Ecc 9:5, Dan 12:2

The dead are conscious - Mark 9:4, Luke 16:22-23, Rev

6:9-10

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The earth will exist for ever - Ecc 1:4

The earth will be destroyed - 2 Pet 3:10

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No one has ever seen God - Ex 33:17,20, John 1:18, 1

Tim 6:15-16,

People have seen God - Gen 32:30, Ex 24:9-10, 33:11,21-

23, Isa 6:5, Deut 5:24, Amos 9:1

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God is not responsible for confusion - 1 Cor 14:33

God is responsible for confusion - Isa 45:7

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All will swear to God - Isa 45:22-23

Jesus forbids swearing - Matt 5:34

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God can do anything - Mark 10:27, Luke 1:37

God is limited in what he can do - Judges 1:19, Mark

6:5-6

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God wants everyone to be saved - 1 Tim 2:3-4, 2 Pet 3:9

God does not want everyone to be saved - Prov 16:4,

Mark 4:11-12, Rom 9:18, 2 Thess 2:11

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The returnees from Babylonian exile in 537/536 BCE.

42,360 in Ezra 2:64. 29,818 in Ezra 2:3-60. 31,089 in

Nehemiah 7:7-65.

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God is not angry for long - Psa 30:5, 103:9, Micah 7:18

God is angry for a long time - Num 32:13, Rev 14:11,

20:10

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God never lies and hates lying - Ex 23:1, Num 23:19,

Prov 12:22, Titus 1:2

God himself lies - 1 Kings 22:23, 2 Chron 18:22, 2

Thess 2:11

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God does not repent (ie. regret an action/change his

mind) - Num 23:19, 1 Sam 15:29, Mal 3:6

God does repent (ie. regret an action/change his mind)

- Gen 6:6-7, Ex 32:14, 1 Sam 15:35, 2 Sam 24:16, 1

Chron 21:15, Jer 18:8,10, 26:3,13,19, 42:10, Ezek

24:14, Joel 2:13, Amos 7:3, Jonah 3:10


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Part 9:

The earth has no foundation - Job 26:7

The earth does have foundations - 1 Sam 2:8, Psa 104:5

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God feeds and cares for all life - Psa 145:15-16

God does not feed and care for all life - Deut 28:48,

Isa 5:13, 8:21, 50:2

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God is warlike - Ex 15:3, Psa 24:8, Rev 19:11,13

Man should be peaceful - as God is - Matt 5:9, John

14:27, Rom 15:33, 2 Thess 3:16

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Graven images not to be made - Ex 20:4

Graven images are to be made - Ex 25:18

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The earth is God/Jesus' - Psa 24:1, 1 Cor 10:26, Rev 1:5

The earth is the devil's - John 12:31, 2 Cor 4:4

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God dwells in light - Psa 104:1,2, 1 Tim 6:15-16, 1

John 1:5

God dwells in darkness - 1 Kings 8:12, 2 Chron 6:1, Psa

18:11, Psa 97:1-2

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Jesus is God - John 1:1, John 20:288

Jesus is inferior/subordinate to God - John 14:28, 1

Cor 11:3, 15:28

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The Synoptics have Jesus clearing the Temple at the end

of his ministry (Mark 11:15-17 & par) but John has this

at the very beginning (2:13-16). Also, John has Jesus

travelling back and forth between Galilee and Jerusalem

but the synoptics have him starting in Galilee & making

the one journey south to Jerusalem ending in his death.

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God is gracious, loving, merciful, good, forgiving, and

perfect - Ex 34:6, Deut 32:4, 2 Sam 22:31, Psa 86:5,

100:5, 106:1, 111:4,7, 136:1, 145:8-9, Lam 3:33, Joel

2:13, Hab 1:12-13, Mark 10:18, 1 John 4:8,16

God slaughters, is vengeful, does evil, defiles,

destroys and creates woes - Ex 32:14, Num 31:1-18, Deut

2:30,34, 7:2,16, 20:10-20, 1 Sam 6:19, Job 42:11, Isa

45:7, Jer 18:5,8,11, 26:3,13,19, 42:10-11, Lam 3:38,

Ezek 6:12-13, 20:25-26, Amos 3:16, Nahum 1:2, Jonah 3:10

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God sees everything and is omnipresent - Psa 11:4, Prov

15:3, Job 34:21, Jer 16:17, 23:24, Heb 4:13

God does not see everything and is not omnipresent -

Gen 3:9-10, 11:5, 18:20-21, Ex 3:8, 19:11, 18,20, Micah

1:3

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God did not dwell in the house (Temple) Solomon built -

Acts 7:48

God did dwell in the house (Temple) that Solomon built

- 1 Kings 8:13

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God is always near - Psa 46:1, 145:14, 18-19, James 4:8

God is not always near - 1 Sam 28:6, Psa 10:1, 22:1,2,

Matt 27:46

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God creates all life out of the waters - Gen 1:20-21

God creates all life out of the earth - Gen 2:19

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The doers of the law will be justified - Rom 2:13

No one is justified by the law - Rom 3:20

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Disciples will be persecuted and martyred - Luke

21:16, Acts 7:59-60, 8:1, Rev 6:9

Disciples will not be harmed - Luke 21:18

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Christians to obey authorities - Rom 13;1, 1 Pet 2:13-14

Christians to obey God rather than authorities - Acts 5:29

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Disciples given power to cure all ills - Matt 10:1,

Luke 9:1

Disciples could not cure all ills - Matt 17:18-20

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Centurion goes to Jesus for his servant to be healed -

Matt 8:5-13

Centurion sends elders to Jesus to ask for his servant

to be healed - Luke 7:1-10

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God's word and law abides for ever - Matt 5:18, 1 Pet 1:25

God's word and law has been cancelled - Eph 2:15, Col 2:14

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Governors are God's ministers for the good and protect

the innocent - Rom 13:1,3, 1 Pet 2:13-14

The Governor Pontius Pilate has Jesus crucified - Mark

15:15, Luke 23:11,24,25, John 19:1,6

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Christ was raised a spirit being - 1 Cor 15:44-45, 1

Pet 3:18

Christ was physically raised in the body - Luke

24:39,42-43, John 20:26-27

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The coming kingdom of God will be visible - Daniel 2:44

The coming kingdom of God will not be visible - Luke

17:20-21

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God is spirit - John 4:24

God has feet - Psa 18:9, arms - Jer 27:5, wings - Psa

36:7, eyes - Deut 11:12, Psa 34:15, a mouth - Isa 1:20,

Deut 8:3, ears - 2 Chron 6:40, a nose - Ex 15:8, a

heart - Gen 6:6, legs - Gen 3:8

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The Bible teaches forgiveness - Matt 6:14-15, Rom

12:17-19, Eph 4:32, Col 3:13

The Bible teaches punishment and vengeance - Gen 9:6,

Ex 21:23-25,29, Lev 24;16,23

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God is one - Deut 6:4

God is plural - Gen 1:26, 11:6,7, Isa 6:8

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The (Incomplete) Flood.

Gen 6:4 refers to a race called the Nephilim. Later in

Gen 7:11-24 there is the account of the Flood in which

"every living thing" was killed (7:23) except Noah and

his family; however, in Num 13:33 the Nephilim are

still around !

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The families of Japheth, Ham and Shem all have their

own languages - Gen 10:5,20,31

There is only one language over the whole earth - Gen 11:1

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The Levites' service to be from age 30 to 50 - Num

3:3,23,30,35,39,43,47

The Levites' service to be from age 25 to 50 - Num 8:23

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Sisera killed whilst asleep - Jud 4:20-21

Sisera killed whilst standing and drinking milk - Jud 5:25-27

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God's attributes are unknowable - Job 11:7-9

God's attributes are knowable - Rom 1:20

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Beersheba given its name by Abraham - Gen 21:31-33

Beersheba given its name by Isaac - Gen 26:32-33

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Saul killed by an Amalekite - 2 Sam 1:5-10

Saul killed by Philistines - 2 Sam 21:22

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There were 3300 chief officers on Temple building - 1

Kings 5:16

There were 3600 chief officers on Temple building - 2

Chron 2:18

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There were 550 who had charge of the people - 1 Kings 9:23

There were 250 who had charge of the people - 2 Chron

8:10

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Jehoshaphat removed the high places - 2 Chron 17:1,6

Jehoshaphat did not remove the high places - 2 Chron 20:31,33

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Zedekiah was Jehoiachin's brother - 2 Chron 36:9-10

Zedekiah was Jehoiachin's uncle - 2 Kings 24:17

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The sundial to go back 10 degrees as a sign that God

would heal Hezekiah's boil - 2 Kings 20:7-11

The sundial to go back 10 degrees as a sign God would

defend the city against the Assyrians -Isa 38:4-8

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The rich cannot enter heaven; the kingdom of God is for

the poor - Luke 6:20, Matt 19:24, James 5:1

God rewards by bestowing wealth and disciples can be

rich - Job 42:10, Matt 27:57

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Satan entered Judas at the last supper - John 13:27

Satan entered Judas before the last supper - Luke 22:1-3

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Food offered to idols should be avoided - Acts 15:29

It is of no importance if food offered to idols is

eaten - 1 Cor 8:1,4,7,8

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It was those who accused Jesus and were responsible for

his death who buried him - Acts 13:27-29

It was Joseph of Arimathea, a disciple, who buried

Jesus - Matt 27:59-60

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Christ is the only master - Matt 23:10

Employers are masters - Eph 6:5,9

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There were six generations inclusive between Joram and

Jotham - 1 Chron 3:11-12

There were three generations inclusive between Joram

and Jotham - Matt 1:8-9

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Jesus' home was at Capernaum - Mark 1:9,24, 2:1

Jesus' home was in Judea - John 4:43-45

NB. In John, Jesus leaves Jerusalem in Judea and goes

to Galilee because "a prophet has no honour in his own

country" - therefore Judea must have been his home

country - contradicting Mark.

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Believers will be deceived into leaving the faith - 1

Tim 4:1, Heb 6:4-6, Gal 3:1, Rev 2:5

God will protect believers from being led astray - Psa 31:23, 37:28,32,33,
John 10:27-29

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Jesus never changes - Heb 13:8

Jesus does change - he dwelt with the Father (John

17:5), was born an infant with human weaknesses (Luke

2:7,52), became separated from God (Matt 27:46), then

died (Matt 27:50), was then in Hades (Acts 2:31), was

then raised from the dead in a glorified body (1 Cor

15:45) and ascended into heaven where he mediates (1

John 2:1, 1 Tim 2:5)

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Moses was inarticulate - Ex 4:10

Moses was not inarticulate - Acts 7:22

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Only God is to be called 'father' - Matt 23:9

Various people can be called 'father' - 1 Cor 10:1, Eph 6:1-4, 1 John 2:13-14,
Matt 15:4

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Jesus prayed to God to be saved from death, and he was

heard - Heb 5:7

Jesus prayed to God to be saved from death and was not

heard (ie. he was executed the next day) - Luke 22:41,42,44,47,54, 23:33

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Prepare your defence if challenged for your faith - 1 Pet 3:15

Don't bother beforehand about what is to be said if

challenged for your faith - Mark 13:11

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God instructs man to live on vegetarian diet - Gen 1:29-30

Any food can be eaten - Gen 9:3, Acts 10:12-13, Rom 14:2

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Martyred believers cry out for blood-vengeance - Rev 6:9-10

Believers should love/forgive their enemies - Matt 5:44, 6:15,18:32-35,
Luke 6:27-28

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Mary and Martha's home.

In Luke 10:38-42, Mary and Martha's home is between

Samaria (mentioned in 9:57) and Jericho (mentioned in

18:35). It is after leaving Jericho (that was AFTER

where they lived) that Jesus reaches Bethany (19:29).

However, according to John (11:18-20, 12:1-3), their

home was in Bethany.

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It is wrong to judge others - Matt 7:1, Luke 6:37, Rom 2:1, 14:10

Others can be judged - Matt 23:13-33, John 8:44, Rom 1:27,29-32

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At the feeding of the 5000, 200 denarii would have fed

the crowd - Mark 6:37

At the feeding of the 5000, 200 denarii would not have

fed the crowd - John 6:7

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God tells Zedekiah he will be captured but die

peacefully - Jer 34:2-5

Zedekiah is capture, has his eyes taken out and is

imprisoned to the day he dies - Jer 52:10-11

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Jesus refuses to disclose who he is, or allow others to do this -
Matt 12:15-16, 16:16-17,20, Mark 3:11-12, 8:29-30, Luke 9:20-21

Jesus tells the Samarians (John 4:25-26), the Jews

(John 5:39, 8:42,58, 10:24-25,30), the crowds (John 6:40), others
(John 9:35-38), who he is

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The Gospel not to be taken to the Samaritans - Matt 10:5-6

The Gospel taken to the Samaritans - John 4:4-41, Acts 8:5,14,15,25

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Women are to be obedient and submissive to men - 1 Cor 11:3,7-9, 14:33-35,
Eph 5:22-24, 1 Tim 2:11-15, Titus 2:4-5, 1 Pet 3:21

There are no sexes in Christ as both are "one" - Gal 3:28

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Part 10:

Let others see your good works - Matt 5:16

Do not let others see your good works - Matt 6:1,4

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Stephen says the Jews persecuted the prophets and

killed those who foretold Christ's coming - Acts 7:52

Moses was a prophet who foretold Christ's coming (eg.

Acts 7:37) but was not killed - Deut 34:5,8; David

was also a prophet (Acts 2:25,30), but he also died

naturally

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Judas Iscariot's death (The betrayer of Jesus). Did he hang himself or did he
just fall face forward and die? 

(Mat 27:5 NRSV) Throwing down the pieces of silver in the temple, he departed;
and he went and hanged himself. 

(Acts 1:18 NRSV) Now this man acquired a field with the reward of his
wickedness; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and
all his bowels gushed out. 

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Jesus promises a criminal on a cross next to him that they will be in heaven
together that particular day. Other verses which are probalby
embellishments by the gospel authors state that he is to stay dead for
three days in the heart of the earth and then ascend to heaven later. 

(Mat 12:40 NRSV) For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in
the belly of the sea monster, so for three days and three nights the
Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth. 

(Context: Jesus is hanging on a cross talking with a criminal hanging on
another cross) 

(Luke 23:42-43 NRSV) Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into
your kingdom." He replied, "Truly I tell you, today you
will be with me in Paradise." 

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Two contradicting versions of Paul's Damascus Road conversion. Did his
companions hear the voice or didn't they? 

(Acts 9:7 NRSV) The men who were traveling with him stood speechless because
they *heard the voice* but saw no one. 

(Acts 22:9 NRSV) Now those who were with me saw the light but *did not hear*
the voice of the one who was speaking to me. 

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Is a person saved by grace or are works also required? Paul and James seem
to disagree on this. 

James: (James 2:24 NRSV) You see that a person is justified by works and
not by faith alone. 

Paul: (Gal 2:16 NRSV) yet we know that a person is justified not by the works
of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ. 

James: (James 2:17 NRSV) So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. 

Paul: (Titus 3:5 NRSV) he saved us, not because of any works of righteousness
that we had done, ... 

James: (James 2:20 NRSV) Do you want to be shown, you senseless person, that
faith apart from works is barren? 

Paul: (Rom 3:28 NRSV) For we hold that a person is justified by faith apart
from works prescribed by the law. 

James: (James 2:14 NRSV) What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if you say
you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you?

Paul: (Rom 4:5 NRSV) But to one who without works trusts him who justifies the
ungodly, such faith is reckoned as righteousness. 

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The author of Hebrews contradicts Paul on how many sons Abraham had. 

In one letter Paul says Abraham had two sons, in the another letter the author
of Hebrews (possibly Paul or someone else) says Abraham
offered for human sacrifice his "only" son. 

Abraham had (Gen 16:15) Ishmael and (Gen 21:2) Isaac. Notice that Ishmael was
born first, when Abraham went to sacrifice Isaac he had
two sons at that time. 

(Here Paul says Abraham has two sons) 

(Gal 4:22 NRSV) For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave
woman and the other by a free woman. 

(Here the author of Hebrewis says "only" son) 

(Heb 11:17 NRSV) By faith Abraham, when put to the test, offered up Isaac.
He who had received the promises was ready to offer up his
only son, 

Note that the author(s) of Genesis contradict themselves on this matter.
Here Abraham's two son's are mention, the first born Ishmael and
Issac. 

(Gen 17:19 NRSV) God said, "No, but your wife Sarah shall bear you a son,
and you shall name him Isaac. I will establish my covenant
with him as an everlasting covenant for his offspring after him. 

(Gen 17:20 NRSV) As for Ishmael, I have heard you; I will bless him and
make him fruitful and exceedingly numerous; he shall be the
father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation. 

Here an author of Genesis refers to the second born Issac as Abraham's "only
son": 

(Gen 22:12 NRSV) He said, "Do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to
him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have
not withheld your son, your only son, from me." 

(Thanks to Curt van den Heuve for pointing out the contradiction within the
book of Genesis itself) 

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The authors of Matthew and Luke don't agree about when the transfiguration
was supposed to have occured. 

(Mat 16:28-17:2 NRSV) Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will
not taste death before they see the Son of Man *coming*
in his kingdom." 

*Six days later*, Jesus took with him Peter and James and his brother John
and led them up a high mountain, by themselves. And he was
transfigured before them,... 

(Luke 9:27-29 NRSV) But truly I tell you, there are some standing here who
will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God." 

Now about *eight days* after these sayings Jesus took with him Peter and
John and James, and went up on the mountain to pray. And
while he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes
became dazzling white. 

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The authors of Matthew and John disagree on Jesus' robe color. 

(Mat 27:28-29 NRSV) They stripped him and put a *scarlet* robe on him, and
after twisting some thorns into a crown, they put it on his
head. They put a reed in his right hand and knelt before him and mocked him,
saying, "Hail, King of the Jews!" 

The greek word for scarlet here is kokkinos:G2847 

2847. kokkinos, kok'-kee-nos; from G2848 (from the kernel-shape of the
insect); crimson-colored:--scarlet (colour, coloured). 

(John 19:2-3 NRSV) And the soldiers wove a crown of thorns and put it on his
head, and they dressed him in a *purple* robe. They kept
coming up to him, saying, "Hail, King of the Jews!" and striking him on the
f???
Atrocity/Contradiction/Error. 

The greek word for purple here is porphurous:G4210 

4210. porphurous, por-foo-rooce'; from G4209; purpureal:--purple. 

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The authors of Mark and John disagree about whether Jesus carried his own
cross. 

(Mark 15:20-24 NRSV) ... Then they led him out to crucify him. *They
compelled a passer-by*, who was coming in from the country,
*to carry his cross*; it was Simon of Cyrene, the father of Alexander and
Rufus. Then they brought Jesus to the place called Golgotha
(which means the place of a skull). And they offered him wine mixed with
 myrrh; but he did not take it. And they crucified him... 

(John 19:16-18 NRSV) Then he handed him over to them to be crucified. So
they took Jesus; *and carrying the cross by himself*, he went
out to what is called The Place of the Skull, which in Hebrew is called
Golgotha. There they crucified him... 

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The author of Matthew contradicts the author of Mark on the number of
animals Jesus is riding into Jerusalem. 

(Mat 21:7 NRSV) they brought the donkey and the colt, and put their cloaks
on them, and he sat on *them*. 

(Mark 11:7 NRSV) Then they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their cloaks
on it; and he sat on *it*. 

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The authors of Matthew and Mark contradict each other about when the fig tree
withered (at once or the next morning): 

(Mat 21:19-20 NRSV) And seeing a fig tree by the side of the road, (Jesus) he
went to it and found nothing at all on it but leaves. Then he
said to it, "May no fruit ever come from you again!" And the fig tree
*withered at once.* 

When the disciples saw it, they were amazed, saying, "How did the fig tree
*wither at once?*" 

(Mark 11:14 NRSV) (Jesus) He said to it, "May no one ever eat fruit from you
again." And his disciples heard it. 

(Mark 11:19-21 NRSV) And when evening came, Jesus and his disciples went out
of the city. *In the morning* as they passed by, they
saw the fig tree withered away to its roots. 

Then Peter remembered and said to him, "Rabbi, look! The fig tree that you
cursed has withered." 

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Was Jesus crucified in the morning or the afternoon? The authors of Mark and
John contradict each other. 

(Mark 15:25 NRSV) It was *nine o'clock in the morning* when they crucified
him.

(John 19:14-16 NRSV) Now it was the day of Preparation for the Passover;
and *it was about noon*. He said to the Jews, "Here is your
King!" 

They cried out, "Away with him! Away with him! Crucify him!" Pilate asked
them, "Shall I crucify your King?" The chief priests
answered, "We have no king but the emperor." 

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How many stalls of horses did Solomon have? 4 or 40 thousand? 

(1 Ki 4:26 NRSV) Solomon also had *forty* thousand stalls of horses for
his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen. 

The hebrew word for forty here is 'arba'iym 

705. 'arba'iym, ar-baw-eem'; multiple of H702; forty:--forty. 

(2 Chr 9:25 NRSV) Solomon had *four* thousand stalls for horses and chariots,
and twelve thousand horses, ... 

The hebrew word for four here is arba: 

702. 'arba', ar-bah'; masc. 'arba'ah, ar-baw-aw'; from H7251; four:--four. 

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Chronicles and Kings contradict each other. 

How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign? forty-two or twenty-two? 

(2 Chr 22:2 NRSV) Ahaziah was forty-two years old when he began to reign;
he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name was
Athaliah, a granddaughter of Omri. 

The hebrew word for forty here is 'arba'iym (Sound familiar?) 

705. 'arba'iym, ar-baw-eem'; multiple of H702; forty:--forty. 

(2 Ki 8:26 NRSV) Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he began to
reign; he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name was
Athaliah, a granddaughter of King Omri of Israel. 

Hebrew word for twenty here is 'esriym:H6242 

6242. 'esriym, es-reem'; from H6235; twenty; also (ordinal) twentieth:
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Did the vegetation come before or after man was created? Genesis chapter
one (the first creation myth) disagrees with chapter 2 (the
second creation myth). 

(The Elohist's creation story says the *plants came first*) 

(Gen 1:12 NRSV) The earth brought forth vegetation: plants yielding seed
of every kind, and trees of every kind bearing fruit with ... 

(Later that week in the Elohist's creation story) 

(Gen 1:26 NRSV) Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image,... 

(The Yawist's creation story says that *man came first*) 

(Gen 2:5-7 NRSV) when no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb
of the field had yet sprung up--for the LORD God had not
caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was no one to till the ground; ...
then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground, ...

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The two different Genesis creation myths don't agree on the order of creation
of man and animals. 

(Elohist - Animals then man) 

(Gen 1:24 NRSV) And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures of
every kind: cattle and creeping things and wild animals of the
earth of every kind." And it was so. 

(Gen 1:27 NRSV) So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he
created them; male and female he created them. 

(Yawist - Man then animals) 

(Gen 2:7 NRSV) then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the
man became a living being. 

(Gen 2:19 NRSV) So out of the ground the LORD God formed every animal of
the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the
man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called every living
creature, that was its name. 

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The Gospel of Luke and the Book of Acts contradict each other about how long
Jesus hung around after he was supposed to have
resurrected. Acts says 40 days and the Gospel of Luke says 1 day. 

(Acts says 40 days) 

(Acts 1:3 NRSV) After his suffering he presented himself alive to them by many
convincing proofs, appearing to them during *forty
days* and speaking about the kingdom of God. 

(Gospel of Luke says 1 day) 

(Luke 24:1 NRSV) But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to
the tomb, 

(Luke 24:13 NRSV) Now on that same day two of them were going to a village
called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem, 

(Jesus appears to them) 

(Luke 24:15 NRSV) While they were talking and discussing, Jesus himself came
near and went with them, 

(Luke 24:29 NRSV) But they urged him strongly, saying, "Stay with us, because
it is almost evening and the day is now nearly over." So
he went in to stay with them. 

(After eating super...) 

(Luke 24:33 NRSV) That same hour they got up and returned to Jerusalem; 

(Luke 24:50-52 NRSV) Then he led them out as far as Bethany, and, lifting up
his hands, he blessed them. 

While he was blessing them, he withdrew from them and was carried up into
heaven. And they worshiped him, and returned to Jerusalem
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The Bible contradicts itself about whether any man has ever seen God. 

(The author of the Gospel of John and Paul the Apostle say no one has *ever*
seen God) 

(John 1:18 NRSV) *No one has ever seen God*... 

(1 Tim 6:16 NRSV) ...*whom no one has ever seen or can see*; 

(Here Moses sees the God's backside) 

(Exo 33:20 NRSV) But," he said, "you cannot see my face; for no one shall
see me and live." 

(Exo 33:23 NRSV) then I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back;
but my face shall not be seen." 

(And here Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, Issac, Jacob, and Amos get a full
frontal view) 

(Exo 24:9-10 NRSV) Then Moses and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of
the elders of Israel went up, and they saw the God of
Israel. Under his feet there was something like a pavement of sapphire stone,
like the very heaven for clearness. 

(Gen 26:2 NRSV) The LORD appeared to Isaac and said... 

(Gen 32:30 NRSV) So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "For I have
seen God face to face, and yet my life is preserved." 

(Amos 9:1 NRSV) I saw the LORD standing beside the altar... 

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The author of Matthew and the author of Luke contradict each other on their
lists of 12 disciples. 

The author of Luke has Judas the son of James instead of the author of
Matthew's Thaddaeus. 

(Luke 6:13-16 NRSV) And when day came, he called his disciples and chose
twelve of them, whom he also named apostles: 

Simon, whom he named Peter, and his brother Andrew, and James, and John, and
Philip, and Bartholomew, and Matthew, and Thomas,
and James son of Alphaeus, and Simon, who was called the Zealot, and Judas
son of James, and Judas Iscariot, who became a traitor. 

(Mat 10:2-4 NRSV) These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon,
also known as Peter, and his brother Andrew; James son of
Zebedee, and his brother John; Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew
the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus;
Simon the Cananaean, and Judas Iscariot, the one who betrayed him. 

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The author of Matthew and the author Luke composed completely different birth
stories for Jesus. 

The gospels of Matthew and Luke were written ~70 years after Jesus was supposed
to have been born. 

It is probably not a well known fact, but christian tradition has combined the
two stories of the gospel of Matthew and the gospel of Luke
to form the story told at christmas time today (gospels of Mark and John have
nothing to say about Jesus' birth). 

But the stories in the gospel of Matthew and the gospel of Luke only agree on
2 points: 

1) Mary and Joseph are the parents 

2) Jesus was born in Bethlehem (placed there to make him look messanic) 

Otherwise they are completely different. 

(from the first two chapters of the gospels Matthew and Luke) 

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The author of Luke's geneology doen't match the one in Genesis. 

(Note: Arphaxad is Arpachshad) 

(Luke 3:35-36 NRSV) ... son of Shelah, son of Cainan, son of Arphaxad, ... 

(Gen 11:12 NRSV) When Arpachshad had lived thirty-five years, he became the
father of Shelah; 

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The bible contradicts itself on how old Abram was when he left Haran. 

205 Terah's age when he died 70 Terah's age when Abram was born ---- 135 How
old Abram was when Terah died 

The Bible says that Abram was 75 years old when he left Haran *after* Terah
died. 

(Gen 11:26 NRSV) When Terah had lived seventy years, he became the father of
Abram, Nahor, and Haran. 

(Gen 11:32 NRSV) The days of Terah were two hundred five years; and Terah died
in Haran. 

(Gen 12:4 NRSV) So Abram went, as the LORD had told him; and Lot went with him.
Abram was seventy-five years old when he
departed from Haran. 

(Acts 7:4 NRSV) ...After his father died, God had him move from there (Haran)
to this country in which you are now living. 

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The author of Numbers says God does not change his mind. The prophet Jeremiah
says he does. 

(Num 23:19 NRSV) God is not a human being, that he should lie, or a mortal,
that he should change his mind. Has he promised, and will he
not do it? Has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it? 

(Jer 26:19 NRSV) ...and did not the LORD change his mind about the disaster
that he had pronounced against them? ... 

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In their accounts on a census of Israel, the census numbers of 1 Chronicles
and 2 Samual do not agree. 

Israel Judah 1 Chronicles says: 1,100,000 470,000 soldiers. 2 Samual says:
800,000 500,000 soldiers. 

(1 Chr 21:5 NRSV) Joab gave the total count of the people to David. In all
Israel there were one million one hundred thousand men who
drew the sword, and in Judah four hundred seventy thousand who drew the sword.

(2 Sam 24:9 NRSV) Joab reported to the king the number of those who had been
recorded: in Israel there were eight hundred thousand
soldiers able to draw the sword, and those of Judah were five hundred thousand.

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How old was Jehoiachin when he started to reign? 

2 Kings says he was eighteen and 2 Chronicles says he was only eight. 

(2 Ki 24:8 NRSV) Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign;
... 

(The Hebrew words for 18 are "shemoneh" for 8 and "asar" making the
number 18) 

083. shemoneh, shem-o-neh'; or shemowneh, shem-o-neh'; fem. shemonah,
shem-o-naw'; or shemownah, shem-o-naw'; appar. from H8082
through the idea of plumpness; a cardinal number, eight (as if a surplus
above the "perfect" seven); also (as ordinal) eighth:--eight ([-een,
-eenth]), eighth. 

6240. 'asar, aw-sawr'; for H6235; ten (only in combination),i.e. -teen; also
(ordinal) -teenth;--[eigh-, fif-, four-, nine-, seven-, six-, thir-]
teen (-th), + eleven (-th), + sixscore thousand, + twelve (-th). 

(2 Chr 36:9 NRSV) Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign; ... 

(The Hebrew word for 8 here is again "shemoneh" but the accompanying word
"asar" that would make it 18 is missing, beware, the NIV
mistranslates this as eighteen to avoid the contradiction) 

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How many men did Kind David's warrior Jashobeam kill at one time (with just a
spear no less)? One account says he "only" killed three
hundred and the other says eight hundred. 

(1 Chr 11:11 NRSV) This is an account of David's mighty warriors: Jashobeam,
son of Hachmoni, was chief of the Three; he wielded his
spear against three hundred whom he killed at one time. 

(2 Sam 23:8 NRSV) These are the names of the warriors whom David had:
Josheb-basshebeth a Tahchemonite; he was chief of the Three;
he wielded his spear against eight hundred whom he killed at one time. 

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1 Chronicles says that Satan incited King David to take a census and 2 Samuel
says God incited him. 

(2 Sam 24:1 NRSV) Again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel,
and he incited David against them, saying, "Go, count the
people of Israel and Judah." 

(1 Chr 21:1 NRSV) Satan stood up against Israel, and incited David to count
the people of Israel. 

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1 Samuel says David killed Goliath and 2 Samuel says Elhanan did. 

(1 Sam 17:50 NRSV) So David prevailed over the Philistine (Goliath) with a
sling and a stone, striking down the Philistine and killing him;
there was no sword in David's hand. 

(2 Sam 21:19 NRSV) Then there was another battle with the Philistines at Gob;
and Elhanan son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, killed
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How many chief officers did Solomon put in charge of building his temple? 

2 Chronicles says two hundred fifty, 1 Kings says five hundred fifty. 

(2 Chr 8:10 NRSV) These were the chief officers of King Solomon, two hundred
fifty of them, who exercised authority over the people. 

(1 Ki 9:23 NRSV) These were the chief officers who were over Solomon's work:
five hundred fifty, who had charge of the people who
carried on the work. 

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How many pomegranates for Solomon's mythical temple? 2 Chron says one hundred,
1 Kings says two hundred. 

(2 Chr 3:16 NRSV) He made encircling chains and put them on the tops of the
pillars; and he made one hundred pomegranates, and put
them on the chains. 

(1 Ki 7:20 NRSV) The capitals were on the two pillars and also above the
rounded projection that was beside the latticework; there were
two hundred pomegranates in rows all around; and so with the other capital. 

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Were both robbers crucified with Jesus taunting him or was only one of them
mocking him and the other repenting? 

The author of Matthew and the author of Mark disagree with the author of Luke.

(Luke 23:33 NRSV) ...they crucified Jesus there with the criminals, one on
his right and one on his left. 

(So we have Jesus in the middle of two robbers, three crucifixions) 

(Mat 27:41-45 NRSV) In the same way the chief priests also, along with the
scribes and elders, were mocking him, saying, 

"He saved others; he cannot save himself. He is the King of Israel; let him
come down from the cross now, and we will believe in him.... 

*The bandits who were crucified with him also taunted him in the same way.*

From noon on, darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon.

(Luke 23:39-44 NRSV) *One of the criminals* who were hanged there kept
deriding him and saying, "Are you not the Messiah? Save
yourself and us!" 

But the *other* rebuked him, saying, "Do you not fear God, since you are under
the same sentence of condemnation? 

And we indeed have been condemned justly, for we are getting what we deserve
for our deeds, but this man has done nothing wrong." 

Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom." He replied,
"Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in
Paradise." 

It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in
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The three synoptic gospels have John the Baptist recognised as Elijah (in
some places by Jesus), but the author of the gospel of John has
John the Baptist saying he is not Elijah. 

(Mat 17:12 NRSV) but I tell you that Elijah has already come, and they did
not recognize him, but they did to him whatever they pleased.
So also the Son of Man is about to suffer at their hands." 

(Mat 17:13 NRSV) Then the disciples understood that he was speaking to them
about John the Baptist. 

(John 1:21 NRSV) And they asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" He (John the
Baptist) said, "I am not." "Are you the prophet?" He
answered, "No."

Jesus is talking of signs that will happen before the end of the world to
his disciples) 

(Notice: Jesus probably thought the stars were little lights attached to a
solid rotating sky dome like everyone else at that time) 

(Mat 24:29 NRSV) "Immediately after the suffering of those days the sun will
be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; *the stars
will fall from heaven*, and the powers of heaven will be shaken. 

(Mat 24:30 NRSV) Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and
then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see
'the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven' with power and great glory. 

(Jesus now says to his disciples that their generation will not pass away
before the end of the world) 

(Mat 24:34 NRSV) Truly I tell you, *this generation will not pass away* until
all these things have taken place. 

(Their generation did pass away, but the world didn't end) 

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Jesus tells his disciples that those "who believe" can heal, handle snakes,
cast demons out, speak in tongues, and drink poison. 

(Mark 16:17-18 NRSV) And these signs will accompany those who believe: by
using my name they will cast out demons; they will speak
in new tongues; 

they will pick up snakes in their hands, and if they drink any deadly thing,
it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and
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The Exodus story is almost certainly a fabrication or at least extremely
exaggerated. 

The bible says 600,000 men (hopefully accompanied by an equal number of women),
children, and a "mixed" crowd supposedly left
Egypt. 

(Exo 12:37-38 NRSV) The Israelites journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about
*six hundred thousand men* on foot, besides children. A
mixed crowd also went... 

This is somewhere around 1.5 million people (more than live in the city of
Dallas). 

It is very unlikely that the Egyptians kept 1.5 million people enslaved,
controlled, and fed. 

It is also very unlikely that hundreds of thousands of Israelites wandered
around on foot in a desert region with little food or water for 40
years after they left. 

There is no record anywhere of Egypt ever enslaving the Israelites. There
is no archaeological evidence to support the Israelites being in
Egypt. 

It is well established that the Egyptians themselves built all their cities
and monuments during the off season (farming). 

There is no record in Egypt of 1.5 million people suddenly getting up and
leaving (The Egyptians were meticulous record keepers). 

There is no archaeological evidence of anything more than a few scattered
encampments in the wilderness where supposedly at least
hundreds of thousands wandered and died in the bible. 

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Jesus was just a mortal man who had no special knowledge of modern cosmology.
Here are some verses that indicate this: 

(Jesus is talking about the end of the world) (Mat 24:29 NRSV) "Immediately
after the suffering of those days the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light; *the stars will fall* from heaven, and
the powers of heaven will be shaken. 

Jesus is obviously talking about stars (to him little lights) falling from
the sky (to him just a few miles up) down to earth. 

This was entirely feasible to people of his time as they did not know that the
stars are hugh celestial objects like our sun (many, many
times larger than the earth) that were unimaginably distant. 

We know today that stars are suns that are at such distances that light takes
dozens to hundreds of thousands of years to travel to us. 

Even if they could travel instantaneously to earth, they could not "fall to
earth" as they are up to millions of times larger than the earth. 

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Here is the certainly mythical story of how Jonah lived inside of a fish for
three days: 

(Jonah 1:17 NRSV) But the LORD provided a large fish to swallow up Jonah; and
Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three
nights. 

Lets assume that the story was talking about a whale which was incorrectly
identified as a fish by this tale and that the whale would have
some interest in swallowing a person whole, let's look at some of the other
ways this is fiction: 

a) No oxygen. 

b) Lot of poisonous digestive juices. 

c) No drinkable water. 

d) A whale has an enormously fast digestive system. 

The Bible goes on to tell of how God "talks" to the "fish" and the "fish"
"spews" the man on to dry land. 

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The test in the Garden of Eden myth, was not a fair test considering it
requires the knowledge of good and evil to not do something evil,
yet this is what eating the fruit was supposed to give to the couple. 

(Gen 2:25 NRSV) And the man and his wife were both naked, and were not ashamed. 

(After eating the forbidden fruit) 

(Gen 3:10-11 NRSV) (Adam) He said, "I heard the sound of you in the garden,
and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself." 

(God) "Who told you that you were naked? 

Not knowing good from evil (Gen 3:5), they did something evil so God punished
them... 

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The bible's primitive astronomy provides a longer day to complete the killing
of all the Amorite men, women, and children. 

Joshua realized that he wasn't going to have enough time to completely
slaughter all of the Amorites (even with God helping by throwing
boulders from the sky to crush the people that were fleeing) so he commanded
the Sun to stand still in the sky over Gibeon and the Moon
to stand still over the valley of Aijalon. 

The author of Joshua like everyone else in his day was unaware of the earth's
rotation and thought the Sun went around the earth and that
the Sun and Moon were only a few miles up in the sky, hence the command to
make them stand still over certain topographic features of
the earth. 

These very verses were used by the Church against Galileo when he suggested
that the earth turned instead: 

(Josh 10:12-13 NRSV) On the day when the LORD gave the Amorites over to the
Israelites, Joshua spoke to the LORD; and he said in
the sight of Israel, "Sun, stand still *at Gibeon*, and Moon, *in the valley
of Aijalon*." 

And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance
on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar?
The sun stopped in midheaven, and did not hurry to set for about a whole day. 

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Here is the dream of Nebuchadnezzar as the author of the book of Daniel
imagined it. The author imagined a tree growing from the center
of a flat earth and it reached the sky which in his day was thought to be
just a few miles high. The tree was visible to the "ends" of the flat
earth. 

(Dan 4:10 NRSV) Upon my bed this is what I saw; there was a tree at the
center of the earth, and its height was great. 

The word hebrew word for earth here is ara: 

772. 'ara', (Chald.), ar-ah'; corresp. to H776; the earth; by impl. (fig.)
low:--earth, inferior 

(Dan 4:11 NRSV) The tree grew great and strong, its top reached to heaven,
and it was visible to the ends of the whole earth. 

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According to the bible, Ahaziah was 2 years older than his father Jehoram. 

(Jehoram was inflicted with a disease by God that killed him after an eight
year reign) 

(2 Chr 21:20 NRSV) (Jehoram) He was *thirty-two* years old when he began to
reign; he reigned *eight years* in Jerusalem. ... They
buried him in the city of David... 

So Jehoram died at the age of forty. 

(2 Chr 22:1 NRSV) The inhabitants of Jerusalem made his *youngest* son
Ahaziah king as his successor; for the troops who came with
the Arabs to the camp had killed all the *older* sons. So Ahaziah son of
Jehoram reigned as king of Judah. 

(2 Chr 22:2 NRSV) Ahaziah was *forty-two* years old when he began to reign;
he reigned one year in Jerusalem. ... 


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The bible incorrectly says there are 4 legged insects. There are no insects
anywhere that have 4 legs. 

(Lev 11:20-21 NRSV) All winged insects that walk upon all fours are
detestable to you. 

But among the winged insects that walk on all fours you may eat those that have
jointed legs above their feet, with which to leap on the
ground. 

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The bible incorrectly states that rabbits (hares) chew their cud. 

(Deu 14:7 NRSV) Yet of those that chew the cud or have the hoof cleft you
shall
not eat these: the camel, the hare, and the rock badger,
because they chew the cud but do not divide the hoof; they are unclean for
you. 

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Here again the bible seems to be saying that the earth is flat. 

Here are more verses describing it as God "drawing" a flat 2 dimensional
circle on the *face* of the waters to make the earth. 

(Prov 8:26-27 NRSV) when he had not yet made earth and fields, or the
world's first bits of soil. When he established the heavens, I was
there, when he drew a circle on the face of the deep, 

(Job 26:10 NRSV) He has described a circle on the face of the waters,
at the boundary between light and darkness. 

(Isa 40:22 NRSV) It is he who sits above the *circle of the earth*,
and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens
like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to live in; 

The hebrew word for circle here is chuwg 

2329. chuwg, khoog; from H2328; a circle:--circle, circuit, compass 

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Problems with the story of the tower of Babel (A myth to explain why there are
different languages). 

(Gen 11:4-7 NRSV) Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a
tower with its top in the heavens, 

(Like most people in their time, the authors of Genesis thought that the sky
was a dome that was just a few miles up) 

and let us make a name for ourselves; otherwise we shall be scattered abroad
upon the face of the whole earth." 

(If they don't make a name for themselves they will be scattered, this sounds
fairly contrived so far) 

The LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which mortals had built. 

(The Lord had to "come down" cause he was "up" in heaven not omni- present,
but imagined as anthropomorphic to this author. Also he
had to come down because he *couldn't see the city and the tower* from where
he was?) 

And the LORD said, "Look, they are one people, and they have all one language;
and this is only the beginning of what they will do;
nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 

(God is afraid of these people when all they are doing is building. Look at
the pyramids in Egypt and Central America, and the structures
*high* in the Andies mountains by the Incas, and the sky scrapers we build
today. There hasn't been any apparent divine intervention to
spoil these projects yet) 

Come, let us go down, and confuse their language there, so that they will not
understand one another's speech." 

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Jesus incorrectly said that he was mention by Moses in his law. 

(Luke 24:44 NRSV) Then he said to them, "These are my words that I spoke to you
while I was still with you--that everything written
about me in the law of Moses,... 

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Jesus incorrectly states that noone has ascended into heaven except the
"Son of Man". 

(John 3:13 NRSV) No one has ascended into heaven except the one who descended
from heaven, the Son of Man. 

(John 3:15 NRSV) that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. 

(here is Elijah *ascending* to heaven) 

(2 Ki 2:11 NRSV) As they continued walking and talking, a chariot of fire and
horses of fire separated the two of them, and Elijah
*ascended in a whirlwind into heaven*. 

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The author of Matthew says there are 42 generations from Abraham to Jesus. 

(Mat 1:17 NRSV) So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen
generations; and from David to the deportation to Babylon,
fourteen generations; and from the deportation to Babylon to the Messiah
fourteen generations. (3 x 14 = 42) 

The number of generations he actually lists is instead 41. 

Matthew 1st chapter: 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Abraham Isaac Jacob Judah Perez Hezron Aram 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
Aminadab Nahshon Salmon Boaz Obed Jesse King
David. 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Solomon Rehoboam Abijah Asaph Jehoshaphat Joram Uzziah
8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Jotham Ahaz Hezekiah Manasseh Amos
Josiah Jechoniah 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Salathiel Zerubbabel Abiud Eliakim Azor Zadok Achim
8 9 10 11 12 13 Eliud Eleazar Matthan Jacob Joseph Jesus 

14+14+13 = 41 

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Jesus quotes another scripture that doesn't exist in the canonized bible. 

(John 7:38 NRSV) and let the one who believes in me drink. As the scripture
has said, 'Out of the believer's heart shall flow rivers of living
water.'" 

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Paul gives a list of things that supposedly indicate the "last days", but the
things he listed are things that are continually going on all the
time. 

(2 Tim 3:1-5 NRSV) You must understand this, that in the last days distressing
times will come. 

For people will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, arrogant,
abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 

inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, brutes, haters of good,
treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather
than lovers of God, holding to the outward form of godliness but denying its
power. Avoid them! 

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Jesus lists things that supposedly indicate the "last days", but his list is
of things that are continually going on throughout history.. 

(Matthew 24:3-14) 

When he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him
privately, saying, "Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the
sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" 

Jesus answered them, "Beware that no one leads you astray. For many will
come in my name, saying, 'I am the Messiah!' and they will
lead many astray. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that you
are not alarmed; for this must take place, but the end is not
yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and
there will be famines and earthquakes in various places: all this is
but the beginning of the birth pangs. "Then they will hand you over to be
tortured and will put you to death, and you will be hated by all
nations because of my name. Then many will fall away, and they will betray one
another and hate one another. And many false prophets
will arise and lead many astray. And because of the increase of lawlessness,
the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to
the end will be saved. And this good news of the kingdom will be proclaimed
throughout the world, as a testimony to all the nations; and
then the end will come. ... 

(Here is the only specific thing Jesus says and it is right before the
specific "coming on the clouds of heaven") 

(Matthew 24:29) "Immediately after the suffering of those days the sun
will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will
fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven will be shaken. 

(Again vauge nonspecific things that have been going on throughout all
history (except for the Messiah statement which has only been
going on since the Babylonian Exile ~2500 years ago) 

Preachers have been using vauge "signs" ever since Jesus to claim that
their generation will be the last one. This has been going on for
centuries and is being claimed today. 

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Here is Satan telling Jesus (who was supposed to be God and owner of the
world according to christian religions) to worship him and he
will "give" him the world? 

(Mat 4:8 NRSV) Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed
him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor; 

(Only possible on a flat earth, which the authors of the synoptic Gospels must
have imagined) 

(Mat 4:9 NRSV) and he said to him, "All these I will give you, if you will
fall down and worship me." 

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The Deuteronomist outlaws foreign sorcery, but the bible authors use a
multitude of their own sorcerers (called prophets) to contact a
supernatural power (their god) and to attempt to determine the future. 

(Deu 18:10 NRSV) No one shall be found among you who makes a son or daughter
pass through fire, or who *practices divination*, or is a
soothsayer, or an augur, or a *sorcerer*, 

"Sorcerer practices" or "Divination and Magic" From Holman's Bible Dictionary: 

An attempt to contact supernatural powers to determine answers to questions
hidden to humans and usually involving the future. 

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Jesus here is simply wrong, a man can serve several masters and hate all of
them or love all of them. 

Even though this is just an analogy, an analogy is suppose to draw a parallel
from something that makes sense. 

(Mat 6:24 NRSV) "No one can serve two masters; for a slave will either hate
the one and love the other, or be devoted to the one and
despise the other. ... 

(Mat 6:24 NRSV) ... You cannot serve God and wealth. 

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The Apostle Peter (like the author of Matthew does many times) takes an Old
Testament verse out of it's context to try to make it seem
as though it was forecasting a future event. 

Some observers see people acting funny, speaking in tongues that they are
not capable of (this feat is never duplicated in modern day
Assembly of God churches) during their "filling of the Holy Spirit" at
the "Pentecost". 

They then conclude they are all drunk. 

Peter tells them that they aren't drunk, but they are filled with the
Holy Spirit, that is why they are acting strange. 

(Acts 2:15-16 NRSV) Indeed, these are not drunk, as you suppose, for it
is only nine o'clock in the morning. No, this is what was spoken
through the prophet Joel: 

(Peter then goes on to quote the prophet Joel, claiming that this filling of
the spirit means they are in the "last days" before the coming of
the "great day of the Lord". 

A) The prophet Joel was making another vauge prediction about how Judah and
Israel are going to get back together and of a great war that
the Jews would have with many nations of which only they will survive (this is
Joel's "Lord's great and glorious day"). Of course this
prophecy failed because it never happened. (Joel 2:28 - 3:21) 

B) Peter was wrong as this has nothing to do with the Pentecost or Jesus. 

C) Peter takes this prediction and turns it into a validation that they were
in the last days before Jesus was to come back which was his
"Lord's great and glorious day" (because it mentions a "filling of a spirit"
and "prophesying". 

D) It was natural for Peter and the Apostle Paul in his letters to assume this
because Jesus himself said he would come back before all of
the disciples had died. (Mat 16:28) 

E) Jesus never came back, not then, and not in the almost 2000 years since,
so Peter was wrong about them being in the "last days". 

(Acts 2:17 NRSV) 'In the last days it will be, God declares, that I will pour
out my Spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and your daughters
shall prophesy, and your young men shall ... 

... 

(Acts 2:19-20 NRSV) And I will show portents in the heaven above and signs on
the earth below, blood, and fire, and smoky mist. 

The sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the coming of
the Lord's great and glorious day.

 

The author of the Gospel of Matthew tries to establish Jesus as the Messiah
forcasted by the Old Testament by taking verses out of their
context from the Old Testament (some which are not even prophecies) and
contrive them to "fit" a future Jesus. 

These are among the most glaring errors in the bible. Anyone who reads the
context of these Old Testament verses will find that they very
obviously have nothing to do with a future Jesus. 

(Matthew 1:21-23 NRSV) She will bear a son, and you are to name him Jesus,
for
he will save his people from their sins." 

All this took place to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the
prophet: "Look, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and
they shall name him Emmanuel," which means, "God is with us." 

(In the Old Testament verse, Isaiah is trying to give King Ahaz a sign that
was to happen during their time period (seven centuries before
Jesus) that Judah will not be invaded, this has nothing to do with a future
Jesus whatsoever. 

Matthew pulls this verse completely out of context to try to make his Jesus
birth story look forcasted by the Old Testament. The "virgin"
part is also misquoted. The word in the Isaiah verse means a young woman who
was not necessarily a virgin. There is a specific hebrew
word for virgin which is not used here) 

(Isa 7:14-16 NRSV) Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Look, the
young woman is with child and shall bear a son, and shall
name him Immanuel. 

He shall eat curds and honey by the time he knows how to refuse the evil and
choose the good. 

For before the child knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the
land before whose two kings you are in dread will be deserted. 

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The author of Matthew's genealogy doesn't match with the author of Luke's
genealogy story about even who Joseph's father was (Jesus'
grandfather). 

Apologetics will try to say that the Luke genealogy was through Mary, but the
Gospel of Luke genealogy specifically says it is through
Joseph. 

(Both authors make up a genealogy to try to establish Jesus as a descendent
of King David and Abraham. The author of Luke's has it going
back to Adam) 

(Matthew's genealogy is descending and Luke's is ascending) 

(Mat 1:15-16 NRSV) ... and Eliud the father of Eleazar, and Eleazar the father
of Matthan, and Matthan the father of Jacob, 

and **Jacob** the *father of Joseph* the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was
born, who is called the Messiah. 

(Luke 3:23-24 NRSV) Jesus was about thirty years old when he began his work.
He was the son (as was thought) of ***Joseph son of
Heli***, 

son of Matthat, son of Levi, son of Melchi, son of Jannai, son of Joseph, ... 

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The author of Matthew contrives a story of Herod's murdering of the babies
(there is no historical record of Herod doing this) and making
Mary and Joeseph take Jesus all the way to Egypt to escape it, and then
having Jesus "called out of Egypt" was a way to try to connect
Jesus with the passover (death of firstborns) and the Exodus (called out of
Egypt) and hence again an attempt to connect Jesus with
Moses as a liberating Messiah or Joseph Campball's mystery hero motif. 

(Context: An Angel tells Mary and Joseph to flee to Egypt to escape Herod's
murder of children under 2 years old) 

(Mat 2:15 NRSV) and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to
fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet,
"Out of Egypt I have called my son." 

(Again Matthew rips a quote completely out of contex, this time out of Hosea
that has nothing to do whatsoever with a future Mary,
Joseph, or Jesus, it's not even a prophecy. It is retroactively talking about
Israel's exodus out of Egypt and their sins afterward) 

(Hosea 11:1-2 NRSV) When *Israel* was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt
I called my son. 

The more I called them, the more they went from me; *they kept sacrificing to
the Baals, and offering incense to idols*. 

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New Testament context: The author of Matthew has King Herod order the killing
of children 2 years and younger in and around
Bethlehem. This is recorded nowhere historically. It seems that this would
have almost certainly been recorded, had it really happened. 

The author of Matthew pulls another verse from the Old Testament to "forcast"
the suffering of the parents, but the verse he chooses was
about the suffering from a military raid by Nebuchadnezzer at the time it was
written, not a prophecy of a future event. 

(Mat 2:17-18 NRSV) Then was fulfilled what had been spoken through the prophet
Jeremiah: 

"A voice was heard in Ramah, wailing and loud lamentation, Rachel weeping for
her children; she refused to be consoled, because they are
no more." 

(The Rachel Jeremiah is talking about (Jer 31:15) was the second wife of Jacob.
In another bible mistake within Jeremiah's text, the King
Nebuchadnezzer of Babylon had conquered her descendant tribes and thus the
quote that she is weeping for her children (her descendant
tribes). That particular line was conquered a century earlier than Jeremiah,
the correct quote would have been Leah weeping for her
children). 

(Matthew rips that verse out of it's context and tries to give Jesus a
passover or a Mosaic type episode (Moses was almost killed as a
baby by order of a pharoah) to again try to tie him into an Old Testament) 

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Another misquote by the author of Matthew: 

(Mat 2:23 NRSV) There he (Joseph) made his home in a town called Nazareth, so
that what had been spoken through the prophets might
be fulfilled, "He will be called a Nazorean." 

(This "quoted verse" is nowhere to be found in the canonized Old Testament) 

(There are a few verses in the OT that some apologetics will try to contrive
to fit it) 

(Judg 13:5 NRSV) for you shall conceive and bear a son. No razor is to come
on his head, for the boy shall be a *nazirite* to God from
birth. It is he who shall begin to deliver Israel from the hand of the
Philistines." 

(This is a prophecy of Samson describing him as a nazirite meaning "one
consecrated" or "separated". Notice it has nothing to do with
one's geographical location or residence. 

(Isa 11:1 NRSV) A shoot shall come out from the stump of Jesse, and a *branch*
shall grow out of his roots. 

(or) 

(Zec 6:12 NRSV) say to him: Thus says the LORD of hosts: Here is a man whose
name is *Branch*: for he shall branch out in his place,
and he shall build the temple of the LORD. 

(Some fundamentalists will try to say that Nazareth is really "netzer" or
branch. Jesus did refer to himself *retroactively* as "the vine" as
these are Messianic prophecies (course not for a crucified Messiah but one
that will conquer Israel's enemies and rule, the OT prophecied
Messiah never came). Unfortunately, even if you jump through this hoop to
mistranslate netzer to Nazareth, these verses are still not
talking about a geographical location as Matthew was) 

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(Jesus is starting his ministry) 

(Mat 8:16-17 NRSV) That evening they brought to him many who were possessed
with demons; and he cast out the spirits with a word,
and cured all who were sick. 

This was to fulfill what had been spoken through the prophet Isaiah, "He took
our infirmities and bore our diseases." 

(The verse Matthew is misquoting from:) 

(Isa 53:4 NRSV) Surely he has borne our infirmities and carried our diseases;
yet we accounted him stricken, struck down by God, and
afflicted. 

This is the famous Isaiah 53 of which the christians and the Jewish people
have completely different interpretations for obvious reasons. 

The christian interpretation is wrong. This is not talking about Jesus 

This is talking about the "Suffering Servant" which could possibly be
Israel personified, a friend of Isaiah's, Isaiah himself, or an example
of or a model of a good "Suffering Servant". 

Whoever it is, it is not Jesus who had no children, no riches, and was
crucified. 

The "Suffering Servant" in this chapter is someone who will see his
offspring, live a long life, and divide the riches with the strong as a
reward for his suffering. This doesn't sound like Jesus. 

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Context: Jesus was supposed to have healed a man's hand on the sabbath
which was against the law of Moses. Yaweh had ordered a man
to be stoned to death for just picking up sticks on the sabbath in the
Old Testament, the Pharisees were upset. 

(Mat 12:14-18 NRSV) But the Pharisees went out and conspired against him,
 how to destroy him. When Jesus became aware of this, he
departed. Many crowds followed him, and he cured all of them, and he ordered
them not to make him known. 

This was to fulfill what had been spoken through the prophet Isaiah: "Here is
my servant, whom I have chosen, my beloved, with whom
my soul is well pleased. I will put my Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim
justice to the Gentiles. 

This misquote has nothing to do with the situation at hand in this Old
Testament verse. There is no mention of the healing, the Pharisee's
meeting, the admonishing the people to be silent, or fleeing the area.) 

(And besides all that, again the verses he is ripping out of Isaiah (42:1-4)
obviously have nothing to do with a future Jesus.) 

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(context: Jesus is about to enter Jerusalem, so Matthew sticks him on a
donkey to contrive another "prophecy fulfillment") 

(Mat 21:4-5 NRSV) This took place to fulfill what had been spoken through
the prophet, saying, "Tell the daughter of Zion, Look, your
king is coming to you, humble, and mounted on a donkey, and on a colt, the
foal of a donkey." 

(What was really going on in Zechariah (chapter 9 ~333 BCE) is the Jewish
people had been waiting hundreds of years for their conquering
Messiah to show up and liberate them from Persian empires when Alexander
the Great shows up to steal the conquering Messiah's
thunder and take the region. They then changed their prophecy to say that
the Messiah will ride in peacefully and *rule*. This was to
happen 300 years before Jesus That Messiah never showed up either, they
just exchanged Persian rule for Greek rule for awhile) 

(This again has nothing to do with a future *sacrificed* Messiah but a soon
coming (~333 BCE) ruling Messiah) 

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(context: The author of Matthew specifically has Judas' business dealings for
the betrayal of Jesus to set up for his next prophecy
contrival in detail. He dickers for 30 pieces of silver. Matthew has him come
down with a sudden attack of conscious when he finds out
Jesus is to die and he goes to the chief priests in the temple and Matthew
has him say:) 

(Mat 27:4-9 NRSV) ..., "I have sinned by betraying innocent blood." But they
said, "What is that to us? See to it yourself." Throwing
down the pieces of silver in the temple, he departed; and he went and hanged
himself. 

(Matthew has the priests agree that the money is blood money so they used it
to buy a "potters field" which today means a beggar's
cemetery) 

(Mat 27:8-9 NRSV) For this reason that field has been called the Field of
Blood to this day. 

Then was fulfilled what had been spoken through the prophet Jeremiah, "And
they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of the one on
whom a price had been set, on whom some of the people of Israel had set a
price, 

(The Jeremiah scriptures are talking about an event (at the time of
Jeremiah) where God "tells him" that his cousin Hanamel is going to sell
him a field. The "fullfillment" of that prophecy is in the next sentence,
not hundreds of years later) 

(Jer 32:6-9 NRSV) Jeremiah said, The word of the LORD came to me: Hanamel
son of your uncle Shallum is going to come to you and
say, "Buy my field that is at Anathoth, for the right of redemption by
purchase is yours." Then my cousin Hanamel came to me in the
court of the guard, in accordance with the word of the LORD, and said to me,
"Buy my field that is at Anathoth in the land of Benjamin,
for the right of possession and redemption is yours; buy it for yourself."
Then I knew that this was the word of the LORD. And I bought
the field at Anathoth from my cousin Hanamel, and weighed out the money to
him, *seventeen* shekels of silver. 

(Matthew again rips this verse completely out of context to try to make it
appear to apply to a different situation in a different time
period than it was intended for in the Old Testament. 

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(context: Some soldiers had just nailed Jesus up, Jesus is hanging on the
cross) 

(Mat 27:35 *KJV only*) And they crucified him, and parted his garments,
casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the
prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast
lots. 

(The verse Matthew is taking out of context this time is Psalms 22:18) 

(Psa 22:18 KJV) They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my
vesture. 

(This Old Testament verse is not a prophecy, it is a lament. If we read on
we see that this is another bone header for poor ole stupid
Matthew) 

(Psa 22:20-22 NRSV) Deliver my soul from the sword, my life from the power
of the dog! Save me from the mouth of the lion! 

(notice the context changes here (unlike Jesus) and this person is "rescued") 

From the horns of the wild oxen you have **rescued me**. 

I will tell of your name to my brothers and sisters; in the midst of the
*congregation* I will praise you: 

(The rest of the Psalm is a the continuation of thanksgiving for being rescued)

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Here is an indication that Jesus did not consider himself to be God (at least
not according to the Synoptic Gospels).. 

(Mark 10:17-18 NRSV) As he was setting out on a journey, a man ran up and
knelt before him, and asked him, "Good Teacher, what must
I do to inherit eternal life?" 

Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. 

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This verse contradicts the idea of "grace". Jesus says here you have to do
good works to get to Heaven. 

(Context: Jesus is speaking) 

(John 5:28-29 NRSV) Do not be astonished at this; for the hour is coming
when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 

and will come out--those who have *done good*, to the resurrection of
life, and those who have *done evil*, to the resurrection of
condemnation. 

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Some scriptures that indicate that Moses did not write any of the bible
(provided he even existed). 

(Num 12:3 NRSV) Now the man Moses was very humble, more so than anyone else
on the face of the earth. 

(This is of course not the sort of thing you would expect the humblest man
on earth to write about himself) 

(And here Moses writes about how he died) 

(Deu 34:5 NRSV) Then Moses, the servant of the LORD, died there in the land of
Moab, at the Lord's command. 

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The bible clearly says that effort expended toward "back slidden" people is a
waiste of time. 

(Heb 6:4-6 NRSV) For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those
who have once been enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly
gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the
word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have
fallen away, since on their own they are crucifying again the Son of God and
are holding him up to contempt. 

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Here God "rests" and God "walks". This of course are things you wouldn't
expect an omnipotent, omnipresent being to have to do. 

(Gen 2:2 NRSV) And on the seventh day God finished the work that he had
done, and *he rested* on the seventh day from all the work
that he had done. 

(note that although apologetics will try to say he just "ceased", that is not
what this is saying, it is saying that he had to rest for a day
from his work as a being that was tired) 

(Exo 31:17 NRSV) It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that
in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the
seventh day he *rested*, and was *refreshed*." 

(Gen 3:8 NRSV) They heard the sound of the LORD God *walking* in the garden
at the time of the evening breeze, and the man and his
wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of
the garden. 

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 Part 15:

This verse goes against the doctrine that God is omnipotent. God was
"with Judah" but they could not drive out the plain's people
because they had chariots of iron. 

(Judg 1:19 NRSV) The LORD was with Judah, and he took possession of the
hill country, but could not drive out the inhabitants of the
plain, because they had chariots of iron.

The BIBLICAL TEXT. There was actually a long dark

tunnel period between the writings of the NT (New

Testament) writings and them being treated as Holy

Writ The first earliest papyri is Rylands P52 dated

ca. l40 AD but this only has just 6 verses of

John. In fact the first complete MSS of the NT are

4th century (Sinaiticus and Vaticanus). All NT

writings were apparently written in Greek - not the

language that Palestinian Jew would have used. There

was clearly tampering with the text in this tunnel

period - Eusebius admits this was so - H.E.

29.6-7. The differences between the Byzantine,

Alexandrian and Caesarean text show copyists

changed the text (eg. Acts 2:l7 in the Western text)

The 3rd cent Christian writer Origen condemned such

Christians for "their depraved audacity" in changing

the text. and Jerome told Pope Damascus of the

"numerous errors" that had arisen in the texts through

attempted harmonising. In 1707 John Mill of Oxford

listed 30,000 variants in the different N.T texts

and at the beginning of this century with further

discoveries of manuscripts, the scholar Herman von

Soden listed some 45,000 variants in the N.T texts

illustating how they were altered. Even in the

one 4th cent Codex Sinaiticus containing all the

N.T, Professor Tishendorf the discoverer, noted

that it had been altered by at least three

different scribes. Therefore this shows the

present-day Bible is not a "inerrant copy" of the

original writings, and secondly cannot be "God's

inspired word" as presumably if this were so, God

would have ensured such alteration could not have

been made.

NT WRITINGS. There is also the question of the writings

in the New Testament canon which were not accepted by

the early Christians (James, Hebrews, Revelation), but

are now accepted, and that Christians reject the

writings the early Christians did accept and used

(eg. Hermas, Barnabas, the Didache). This in itself

shows the church is not interested in sustaining

the 'original faith' and has chosen the writings

that suits its own teachings. This is all apart from

the fact that the church did not even agree to the 27

writings now in the N.T. until Athanasius' Easter

Letter of 367 AD, but even then, he STILL recommended

the readingof non-canonical writings (eg. The Didache),

and furthermore, the dispute continued right on to the

9th century, as is seen by the church lists of accepted

writings.

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The Biblical picture of God can hardly be reconciled

with Christian teaching that "God is love", eg.

All forms of life destroyed because of one imperfect

species - Gen 6:5,7, 7:23

Human sacrifice commanded by God - Leviticus 27:28,29.

Under inspiration of God's Spirit, Jephthah agrees to

sacrifice daughter as a thanksgiving - Judges 11;29-40.

God sends ten plagues on Egypt because Pharaoh

won't release the Hebrews, but he deliberately

hardens Pharaoh's heart so he refuses to release the

Hebrews in the first place, making these plagues

necessary - God admits this is so he can perform 'his

wonders' (Exodus 11:9), ie. wholesale mass slaughter

of life in Egypt - Exodus 7:3-4,13-14, 10:1,20.

God sanctions slavery and a man selling his daughter -

Exodus 21:2-6,7.

Death demanded for heresy - Deuteronomy 13:1,2,5,14,15.

God says that if a man strikes 'his slave', male or

female, and they do not die immediately, the man

shall not be punished because 'the slave is his

money (ie. property)' - Exodus 21:20-21.

God orders people to slaughter their own relatives

because they rejected Moses' religion; 3000 killed.

Moses tells the killers that God would bless them

for doing this by making them ordained for his

service - Exodus 32:27-29.

A person to kill their own family for a difference

of religion - Deuteronomy 13:6-10.

God demands death for anyone not circumcised - Genesis

17:9-14.

God demands the sick are to be driven out of the

community - Numbers 5:1-4.

God burns people to death for complaining- Numbers 11:1

God kills 24,000 people by a plague because one person

brought a Midianite woman to his tent - Numbers 25:6-9.

The curses of God upon the Hebrews (eg. eating their

own children) - Leviticus 26:14-39, Deuteronomy

28:15-68.

God arranges the Midianite slaughter - Judges 7:2,9,22.

(Note: Numbers 31:l-l8 states that God instructed the

mass slaughter of Midianites, and the Lord "slew every

male", alongwith their rulers (31:7), and the

Midianite women and children and animals were

captured; Moses then demanded all the males, including

babies and the women were to be slaughtered, but the

young girls could be "kept alive for yourselves"

(31:18). This story records the extermination of the

Midianites, but later on, God AGAIN instructs the

slaugher of the Midianites (Judges 6:16), It is the

same with the Amalekites - they are "ALL destroyed"

in 1 Samuel 15:8, but they are destroyed yet again in

1 Samuel 27:8-9 and everyone - men and women -

are killed; however, they are killed (- for the 3rd

time!) in 1 Samuel 30:1,l6ff except for 400 young

men. At long last, they are are finally killed off

in 1 Chronicles 4:43 when the 'remnant' were destroyed.

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NASTY STUFF YOU MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN WAS IN YOUR FAMILY BIBLE

The Spirit of God comes upon Samson and he murders

over a thousand people - Judges 14:19, 15:14-15.

The Psalmist praises God for his 'steadfast love' but

then details his slaughtering in the past - Psalm

136:10-21.

God deliberately deludes people so they will not be

saved - 2 Thess 2:11-12.

A girl not found to be a virgin was to be killed -

Deuteronomy 22:13-21 (Note the same did not apply to

men !).

God kills an innocent baby for its father's wrongdoing

- ignoring the father's pleas - 2 Samuel 12:15-20

God kills 70,000 men - 2 Samuel 24:15

NB. most of the Pentateuchal battles were ordered

by Moses - however he was only God's mouthpiece

(Numbers 12:6-8). He also has an important role in the

New Testament - Matthew 17:1-4, Hebrews 3:2,5,

11:23-29, Rev 15:3).

God has a friendly meeting with his arch enemy Satan -

whom he doesn't even recognise - Job 1:6-7, and they

have a wager (Job 1:8-12) over how much suffering it

would take before righteous Job will reject God. Job

then has his whole family killed and livelihood ruined

(1:13-19) and then is afflicted by a loathsome plague

(2:7-8).

(MORE) CHRONOLOGICAL ERRORS

Acts and Gal. cannot be reconciled as to Paul's

conversion. Using Acts and Gal together, the following

is arrived at:-

(1)Paul's conversion (Acts 9:3ff, Gal 1:16) 31 AD.

(2)1st visit to Jerusalem (Acts 9:26,

Gal 1:18). This was 3 years after

conversion (Gal 1:18) 34 AD.

(3)2nd visit to Jerusalem (Acts 15:2-4,

Gal 2:1-10). 14 years after 1st

Jerusalem visit 48 AD.

(4)Paul visits the churches (through

Syria and Cilicia to Derbe and Lystra,

through Phrygia and Galatia to Troas

and Macedonia, through Amphipolis and

Apollonia to Thessalonica (3 weeks-Acts

17:2), to Beroea, then Athens and onto

Corinth (Acts 15:40-18:1). Say 1 year- 49 AD.

(NB. This is known as "Paul's second

missionary journey").

(5)Paul arrives in Corinth (Acts 18:1);

after 1.5 years (Acts 18:11) he then appears

before Gallio, the proconsul of Achaia

(Acts 18:12-16) (NB. Paul leaves Corinth in

Acts 18:18) Summer 51 AD.

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NOTES:-

(N1). With regard to (5), an inscription from Delphi

includes a letter from the emperor Claudius (41-54

AD) and there is a ref to Gallio as proconsul; the date

is the 26th acclamation of Claudius and as the 22nd,

23rd and 24th were all made in 52 AD and the 27th was

before August 52 AD - the 26th would therefore be in

Spring/Summer 52.

(N2)In 18:2, Paul meets two Jews who had been expelled

from Rome; this edict of banishment was in 49 AD and

supports the date given in (4).

Summary:-

It appears from the above table that Paul's conversion

took place in the year after Christ died and yet

much was supposed to have occurred between these

events, ie. all that is included in Acts 1:1 - 9:1.

Furthermore, the minimum times possible have been

allowed in the above so there cannot be any accusation

that it has been formulated in a way to presuppose

anything.

For example, in (4) - it would be most unlikely

all this travelling could be done in just one year.

If it was (say) two years because there is a fixed

point (ie. (5).) as 51 AD which is known to be

correct and can't be altered, the starting point has

to be moved back to fit in the extra year into the

schedule and Paul's conversion is then dated as 30 AD.

However that would mean Paul was converted by seeing

the risen Christ before he even died! The same

applies with Gal 1:18 - if the 3 years begins from

Paul returning to Damascus and not the conversion,

there would have to be time also included for

Paul's antics in Arabia (Gal 1:17) and being included

in the time before 51 AD would again would push

Paul's conversion back to something like 29 AD. In

fact some Christians do state Jesus' death was 33 AD

and this would mean Paul was converted by seeing the

risen Christ (ie. 29 AD) before Christ had even

started his three-year ministry (30 AD) let alone had

died and risen!

Dating Paul's conversion as 31 AD and Christ's death in

30 AD creates many problems, ie. it is known that the

Jewish Passover (8th April - the Jewish l5 Nisan)

fell on a Saturday in the year 30 AD; but the

Synoptics make it clear that Jesus was crucified on the

Passover and this was a Friday. The Passover began

on Thursday evening (the Jewish day begins the

previous evening) and ended Friday evening - ie. Mark

14:12 to 15:42. In sum, the different narratives cannot

be reconciled and appear to be divorced from

historical fact.

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It should also be mentioned that with regard to working

out when Paul was converted, that whilst just 1 year

for Paul's 2nd missionary journey was given,

others say it was longer, eg. the

ultra-evangelical New International Version (Bible)

in its schedule of Paul's life says it was 2 years

(ie. this then makes Paul's conversion 30 AD).

Furthermore they date the time between Christ's

ascension and Paul's conversion (ie. Acts l:l-9:l) as

SEVEN YEARS. If this figure was used above then it

would make Paul's conversion remain as 31 AD (this

cannot be changed or made later), but Christ's

death/ascension would be 7 years EARLIER, ie. in 23 AD.

However, this cannot be so as Luke (3:1) states that

Christ's ministry began in the fifteenth year of

Tiberius and this is universally ageed as 28-29 AD.

The question that has to be asked is why the New Test

writers have all this difficulty in locating Jesus in

a chronological setting if he actually existed ?

The situation is adequately summed up by Professor

Fuller, Professor of New Testament, Union Theological

Seminary, New York. (A Critical Introduction to the

New Testament): "Of the 27 books of the New

Testament, only the authentic Pauline epistles

are, strictly speaking, the testimony of an

apostolic witness. And even Paul...was not a witness

of the historical Jesus. Since the earliest

witnesses wrote nothing...there is not a single

book in the New Testament which is the direct work of

an eyewitness of the historical Jesus..." (page 197)

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"Religion...can exercise a severe crippling and

inhibiting effect upon the human mind, by fostering

irrational anxiety and guilt, and by hampering the

free play of the intellect". (Dr J C Flugel).

"There are matters in the Bible, said to be done by the

express commandment of God, that are shocking to

humanity and to every idea we have of moral

justice....". (Thomas Paine).

"There is nothing more negative than the result of the

critical study of the life of Jesus. The Jesus of

Nazareth who came forward publicly as the Messiah, who

preached the ethic of the kingdom of God, who

founded the kingdom of God upon earth, and died to give

his work its final consecration, never had any

existence..

He is a figure designed by rationalism, endowed

with life by liberalism, and clothed by modern

theology in a historical garb..." (Dr Albert Schweitzer

The Quest for the Historical Jesus).

"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent

him; let us worship God through Jesus if we must -

if ignorance has so far prevailed that this name

can still be spoken in all seriousness without

being taken as a synonym for rapine and carnage.

Every sensible man, every honourable man, must hold the

Christian sect in horror" (Thomas Paine. Age of Reason)

Supposedly the people of Judah shouted and God helped them kill 1/2 million
Israelites. 

(2 Chr 13:15 NRSV) Then the people of Judah raised the battle shout. And when
the people of Judah shouted, God defeated Jeroboam
and all Israel before Abijah and Judah. 

(2 Chr 13:16-18 NRSV) The Israelites fled before Judah, and God gave them
into their hands. Abijah and his army defeated them with
great slaughter; five hundred thousand picked men of Israel fell slain. 

Thus the Israelites were subdued at that time, and the people of Judah
prevailed because they relied on the LORD, the God of their
ancestors. 

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God slaughters 70 men for simply looking into the Ark. 

(1 Sam 6:19 RSV) And he (God) slew some of the men of Beth-shemesh,
because they looked into the ark of the LORD; he slew 

seventy men of them, and the people mourned because the Lord had made
a great slaughter among the people. 

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Korah questions Moses' leadership and God makes the earth open up and swallow
his people: men, women, and children. 

(Num 16:20-21 NRSV) Then the LORD spoke to Moses and to Aaron, saying:
Separate yourselves from this congregation, so that I may
consume them in a moment. They fell on their faces, and said, "O God, the
God of the spirits of all flesh, shall _one_person_sin_ and you
become angry with the whole congregation?" 

(Num 16:27 NRSV) (...)and Dathan and Abiram came out and stood at the
entrance of their tents, together with their _wives_, their
_children_, and their _little ones_. 

(Num 16:32-33 NRSV) The earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up,
along with their households--everyone who belonged to
Korah and all their goods. So they with all that belonged to them went
down alive into Sheol; the earth closed over them, and they perished
from the midst of the assembly. 

(Then God burned some other followers) 

(Num 16:35 NRSV) And fire came out from the LORD and consumed the two
hundred fifty men offering the incense. 

(Then the whole congregation were upset about what God had done) 

(Num 16:41 NRSV) On the next day, however, the whole congregation of
the Israelites rebelled against Moses and against Aaron, saying,
"You have killed the people of the LORD." 

(God is further angered) 

(Num 16:45 NRSV) "Get away from this congregation, so that I may consume
them in a moment." And they fell on their faces. 

(God strikes them with a plague and Moses finally intervenes to prevent
all of the congregation from being killed) 

(Num 16:49 NRSV) Those who died by the plague were fourteen thousand
seven hundred, besides those who died in the affair of Korah. 

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God drowns all the men, women, and children on the earth during the flood story

(Gen 7:21 NRSV) And all flesh died that moved on the earth, birds, domestic
animals, wild animals, all swarming creatures that swarm on
the earth, and all human beings; 

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Here are some of the battles of Joshua for the possession of canaanite cities
and genocide of inhabitants as commanded by God 

(All verses from book of Joshua NRSV) 

(City of Jerico)(6:21) Then they devoted to destruction by the edge of the
sword all in the city, both men and women, young and old,
oxen, sheep, and donkeys. 

(City of Ai)(8:22)Israel struck them down until no one was left who survived
or escaped. 

(8:29) And he hanged the king of Ai on a tree until evening; and at sunset
Joshua commanded, and they took his body down from the tree,
threw it down at the entrance of the gate of the city ... 

(The Amorites) (10:10) ...(the Israelites) inflicted a great slaughter on
them at Gibeon ..., and struck them down as far as Azekah and
Makkedah. 

( God throws boulders down from heaven onto fleeing Amorites ) 

(10:11) As they fled before Israel, while they were going down the slope of
Beth-horon, the LORD threw down huge stones from heaven
on them as far as Azekah, and they died; there were more who died because of
the hailstones than the Israelites killed with the sword. 

(There wasn't enough time in the day to complete the slaughter so God makes
the Sun stop moving in the sky ) 

(10:12-13) ...Joshua spoke to the LORD; and he said in the sight of Israel,
"Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and Moon, in the valley of Aijalon."

And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took
vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar?
The sun stopped in midheaven, and did not hurry to set for about a whole
day. 

(God's mission accomplished with the Amorites) (10:20) When Joshua and the
Israelites had finished inflicting a very great slaughter on
them, until they were wiped out, ... 

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More battles of Joshua for the possession of cities and genocide of
canaanite inhabitants as commanded by God 

(All verses from book of Joshua NRSV) 

(City of Libnah)(10:30) The LORD gave it also and its king into the hand
of Israel; and he struck it with the edge of the sword, and every
person in it; he left no one remaining in it; 

(City of Lachish)(10:32-33) ... and struck it with the edge of the sword,
and every person in it, as he had done to Libnah. Then King
Horam of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua struck him and his
people, leaving him no survivors. 

(City of Eglon)(10:35) and they took it that day, and struck it with the
edge of the sword; and every person in it he utterly destroyed that
day, as he had done to Lachish. 

(City of Hebron)(10:37) and struck it with the edge of the sword, and
its king and its towns, and every person in it; he left no one
remaining, just as he had done to Eglon, and utterly destroyed it with
every person in it. 

(City of Debir)(10:39-40) and he took it with its king and all its towns;
they struck them with the edge of the sword, and utterly
destroyed every person in it; he left no one remaining; 

So Joshua defeated the whole land, the hill country and the Negeb and the
lowland and the slopes, and all their kings; he left no one
remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of
Israel commanded. 

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One last big battle of Joshua for the possession of cities and genocide of the
canaanite inhabitants. 

Here finally, all the inhabitants of Canaan are exterminated. 

(all verses from the book of Joshua NRSV) 

(11:1-4) People of Hazor, Madon, Shimron, Achshaph, northern hill country,
Arabah, Naphoth-dor, Canaanites in the east and the west,
the Amorites (again?), the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites and the
Hivites unite against the Israelites. 

(11:14) All the spoil of these towns, and the livestock, the Israelites took
for their booty; but all the people they struck down with the
edge of the sword, until they had destroyed them, and they did not leave
any who breathed. 

(Let there be no doubt whose idea it was for these genocides) 

(11:20) For it was the Lord's doing to harden their hearts (the canaanites)
so that they would come against Israel in battle, in order that
they might be utterly destroyed, and might receive no mercy, but be
exterminated, just as the LORD had commanded Moses. 

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God threatens to punish the Israelites by forcing them to eat the
flesh of their children. 

(Lev 26:27-28 NRSV) But if, despite this, you disobey me, and continue
hostile to me, I will continue hostile to you in fury; I in turn will
punish you myself sevenfold for your sins. 

(Lev 26:29 NRSV) You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall
eat the flesh of your daughters. 

(Jer 19:9 NRSV) And I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and
the flesh of their daughters, and all shall eat the flesh of their
neighbors in the siege, and in the distress with which their enemies and
those who seek their life afflict them. 

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Here Moses says "kill your brother, your friend, and your neighbor." 

In this story, Moses is gone for a long time at the top of a mountain.
Meanwhile the children of Israel start partying and worshipping a
golden calf. 

When Moses comes down from the mountain he relays an order from God to
start the bloodbath. 

(Exo 32:27-29 NRSV) He said to them, "Thus says the LORD, the God of
Israel, 'Put your sword on your side, each of you! Go back and
forth from gate to gate throughout the camp, and each of you kill
your brother, your friend, and your neighbor.'" 

The sons of Levi did as Moses commanded, and about three thousand
of the people fell on that day. 

(Moses then speaks to the sons of Levi) 

Moses said, "Today you have ordained yourselves for the service of
the LORD, each one at the cost of a son or a brother, and so have
brought a blessing on yourselves this day." 

(The sons of Levi are blessed for randomly killing family members,
friends, and neighbors, whose only crime was worshipping the calf) 

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Part 16:

It should also be mentioned that with regard to working

out when Paul was converted, that whilst just 1 year

for Paul's 2nd missionary journey was given,

others say it was longer, eg. the

ultra-evangelical New International Version (Bible)

in its schedule of Paul's life says it was 2 years

(ie. this then makes Paul's conversion 30 AD).

Furthermore they date the time between Christ's

ascension and Paul's conversion (ie. Acts l:l-9:l) as

SEVEN YEARS. If this figure was used above then it

would make Paul's conversion remain as 31 AD (this

cannot be changed or made later), but Christ's

death/ascension would be 7 years EARLIER, ie. in 23 AD.

However, this cannot be so as Luke (3:1) states that

Christ's ministry began in the fifteenth year of

Tiberius and this is universally ageed as 28-29 AD.

The question that has to be asked is why the New Test

writers have all this difficulty in locating Jesus in

a chronological setting if he actually existed ?

The situation is adequately summed up by Professor

Fuller, Professor of New Testament, Union Theological

Seminary, New York. (A Critical Introduction to the

New Testament): "Of the 27 books of the New

Testament, only the authentic Pauline epistles

are, strictly speaking, the testimony of an

apostolic witness. And even Paul...was not a witness

of the historical Jesus. Since the earliest

witnesses wrote nothing...there is not a single

book in the New Testament which is the direct work of

an eyewitness of the historical Jesus..." (page 197)

------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Religion...can exercise a severe crippling and

inhibiting effect upon the human mind, by fostering

irrational anxiety and guilt, and by hampering the

free play of the intellect". (Dr J C Flugel).

"There are matters in the Bible, said to be done by the

express commandment of God, that are shocking to

humanity and to every idea we have of moral

justice....". (Thomas Paine).

"There is nothing more negative than the result of the

critical study of the life of Jesus. The Jesus of

Nazareth who came forward publicly as the Messiah, who

preached the ethic of the kingdom of God, who

founded the kingdom of God upon earth, and died to give

his work its final consecration, never had any

existence..

He is a figure designed by rationalism, endowed

with life by liberalism, and clothed by modern

theology in a historical garb..." (Dr Albert Schweitzer

The Quest for the Historical Jesus).

"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent

him; let us worship God through Jesus if we must -

if ignorance has so far prevailed that this name

can still be spoken in all seriousness without

being taken as a synonym for rapine and carnage.

Every sensible man, every honourable man, must hold the

Christian sect in horror" (Thomas Paine. Age of Reason)

Supposedly the people of Judah shouted and God helped them kill 1/2 million
Israelites. 

(2 Chr 13:15 NRSV) Then the people of Judah raised the battle shout.
And when the people of Judah shouted, God defeated Jeroboam
and all Israel before Abijah and Judah. 

(2 Chr 13:16-18 NRSV) The Israelites fled before Judah, and God gave them
into their hands. Abijah and his army defeated them with
great slaughter; five hundred thousand picked men of Israel fell slain. 

Thus the Israelites were subdued at that time, and the people of Judah
prevailed because they relied on the LORD, the God of their
ancestors. 

------------------------------------------------------------------------- 

God slaughters 70 men for simply looking into the Ark. 

(1 Sam 6:19 RSV) And he (God) slew some of the men of Beth-shemesh, because
they looked into the ark of the LORD; he slew 

seventy men of them, and the people mourned because the Lord had made a
great slaughter among the people. 

------------------------------------------------------------------------- 

Korah questions Moses' leadership and God makes the earth open up and
swallow his people: men, women, and children. 

(Num 16:20-21 NRSV) Then the LORD spoke to Moses and to Aaron, saying:
Separate yourselves from this congregation, so that I may
consume them in a moment. They fell on their faces, and said, "O God,
the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall _one_person_sin_ and you
become angry with the whole congregation?" 

(Num 16:27 NRSV) (...)and Dathan and Abiram came out and stood at the
entrance of their tents, together with their _wives_, their
_children_, and their _little ones_. 

(Num 16:32-33 NRSV) The earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up,
along with their households--everyone who belonged to
Korah and all their goods. So they with all that belonged to them went
down alive into Sheol; the earth closed over them, and they perished
from the midst of the assembly. 

(Then God burned some other followers) 

(Num 16:35 NRSV) And fire came out from the LORD and consumed the two hundred
fifty men offering the incense. 

(Then the whole congregation were upset about what God had done) 

(Num 16:41 NRSV) On the next day, however, the whole congregation of the
Israelites rebelled against Moses and against Aaron, saying,
"You have killed the people of the LORD." 

(God is further angered) 

(Num 16:45 NRSV) "Get away from this congregation, so that I may consume
them in a moment." And they fell on their faces. 

(God strikes them with a plague and Moses finally intervenes to prevent
all of the congregation from being killed) 

(Num 16:49 NRSV) Those who died by the plague were fourteen thousand
seven hundred, besides those who died in the affair of Korah. 

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God drowns all the men, women, and children on the earth during the
flood story: 

(Gen 7:21 NRSV) And all flesh died that moved on the earth, birds,
domestic animals, wild animals, all swarming creatures that swarm on
the earth, and all human beings; 

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Here are some of the battles of Joshua for the possession of canaanite
cities and genocide of inhabitants as commanded by God 

(All verses from book of Joshua NRSV) 

(City of Jerico)(6:21) Then they devoted to destruction by the edge of
the sword all in the city, both men and women, young and old,
oxen, sheep, and donkeys. 

(City of Ai)(8:22)Israel struck them down until no one was left who
survived or escaped. 

(8:29) And he hanged the king of Ai on a tree until evening; and at
sunset Joshua commanded, and they took his body down from the tree,
threw it down at the entrance of the gate of the city ... 

(The Amorites) (10:10) ...(the Israelites) inflicted a great slaughter
on them at Gibeon ..., and struck them down as far as Azekah and
Makkedah. 

( God throws boulders down from heaven onto fleeing Amorites ) 

(10:11) As they fled before Israel, while they were going down the slope
of Beth-horon, the LORD threw down huge stones from heaven
on them as far as Azekah, and they died; there were more who died
because of the hailstones than the Israelites killed with the sword. 

(There wasn't enough time in the day to complete the slaughter so God makes
the Sun stop moving in the sky ) 

(10:12-13) ...Joshua spoke to the LORD; and he said in the sight of Israel,
"Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and Moon, in the valley of Aijalon."

And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took
vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar?
The sun stopped in midheaven, and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.

(God's mission accomplished with the Amorites) (10:20) When Joshua and the
Israelites had finished inflicting a very great slaughter on
them, until they were wiped out, ... 

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More battles of Joshua for the possession of cities and genocide of Canaanite
inhabitants as commanded by God 

(All verses from book of Joshua NRSV) 

(City of Libnah)(10:30) The LORD gave it also and its king into the hand of
Israel; and he struck it with the edge of the sword, and every
person in it; he left no one remaining in it; 

(City of Lachish)(10:32-33) ... and struck it with the edge of the sword,
and every person in it, as he had done to Libnah. Then King
Horam of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua struck him and his
people, leaving him no survivors. 

(City of Eglon)(10:35) and they took it that day, and struck it with the
edge of the sword; and every person in it he utterly destroyed that
day, as he had done to Lachish. 

(City of Hebron)(10:37) and struck it with the edge of the sword, and its
king and its towns, and every person in it; he left no one
remaining, just as he had done to Eglon, and utterly destroyed it with
every person in it. 

(City of Debir)(10:39-40) and he took it with its king and all its towns;
they struck them with the edge of the sword, and utterly
destroyed every person in it; he left no one remaining; 

So Joshua defeated the whole land, the hill country and the Negeb and the
lowland and the slopes, and all their kings; he left no one
remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of
Israel commanded. 

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One last big battle of Joshua for the possession of cities and genocide of the
canaanite inhabitants. 

Here finally, all the inhabitants of Canaan are exterminated. 

(all verses from the book of Joshua NRSV) 

(11:1-4) People of Hazor, Madon, Shimron, Achshaph, northern hill country,
Arabah, Naphoth-dor, Canaanites in the east and the west,
the Amorites (again?), the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites and the
Hivites unite against the Israelites. 

(11:14) All the spoil of these towns, and the livestock, the Israelites
took for their booty; but all the people they struck down with the
edge of the sword, until they had destroyed them, and they did not leave
any who breathed. 

(Let there be no doubt whose idea it was for these genocides) 

(11:20) For it was the Lord's doing to harden their hearts (the canaanites)
so that they would come against Israel in battle, in order that
they might be utterly destroyed, and might receive no mercy, but be
exterminated, just as the LORD had commanded Moses. 

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God threatens to punish the Israelites by forcing them to eat the flesh of
their children. 

(Lev 26:27-28 NRSV) But if, despite this, you disobey me, and continue
hostile to me, I will continue hostile to you in fury; I in turn will
punish you myself sevenfold for your sins. 

(Lev 26:29 NRSV) You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the
flesh of your daughters. 

(Jer 19:9 NRSV) And I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh
of their daughters, and all shall eat the flesh of their
neighbors in the siege, and in the distress with which their enemies and those
who seek their life afflict them. 

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Here Moses says "kill your brother, your friend, and your neighbor." 

In this story, Moses is gone for a long time at the top of a mountain.
Meanwhile the children of Israel start partying and worshipping a
golden calf. 

When Moses comes down from the mountain he relays an order from God to start
the bloodbath. 

(Exo 32:27-29 NRSV) He said to them, "Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel,
'Put your sword on your side, each of you! Go back and
forth from gate to gate throughout the camp, and each of you kill your
brother, your friend, and your neighbor.'" 

The sons of Levi did as Moses commanded, and about three thousand of the
people fell on that day. 

(Moses then speaks to the sons of Levi) 

Moses said, "Today you have ordained yourselves for the service of the LORD,
each one at the cost of a son or a brother, and so have
brought a blessing on yourselves this day." 

(The sons of Levi are blessed for randomly killing family members, friends,
and neighbors, whose only crime was worshipping the calf) 


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God kills scores of innocent babies and children. 

This is the very popular Exodus story where God is imagined to strike down
innocent babies and children for the actions of a Pharaoh
whose heart Yahweh himself had hardened (thus rendering the Pharaoh
incapable of complying with God's demands). 

(Exo 11:10 NRSV) Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh;
but the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not
let the people of Israel go out of his land. 

(Here God has hardened Pharoah's heart and then turns around and punishes
Pharaoh's "decision" by murdering innocent babies and
children) 

(Exo 12:29 NRSV) At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in the
land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his
throne to the firstborn of the prisoner who was in the dungeon, and all the
firstborn of the livestock. 

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God kills the children of Israel who wanted some meat. 

(The people of Israel complain and God gets angry) 

(Num 11:1 NRSV) ...Then the fire of the LORD burned against them, and consumed
some outlying parts of the camp. 

(The Israelites get tired of eating manna (something vaguely like corn flakes).
They start crying and wishing they were still slaves in Egypt,
so God gets angry again and says) 

(Num 11:19-20 NRSV) You shall eat (meat)... for a whole month-- until it comes
out of your nostrils and becomes loathsome to you--
because you have rejected the LORD who is among you, and have wailed before
him, saying, 'Why did we ever leave Egypt?'" 

(Num 11:31 NRSV) Then a wind went out from the LORD, 

and it brought quails from the sea and let them fall beside the camp. 

(The people work all day and night gathering their meat and as they are
taking their first bite suddenly and unexpectantly...) 

(Num 11:33-34 NRSV)...the anger of the LORD was kindled against the people,
and the LORD struck the people with a very great plague.

So that place was called Kibroth-hattaavah, because there they buried the
people who had the craving. 

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Because they were wicked enough to ignore the part in his commandment for
human sacrifice that allowed them to substitute an animal for
the baby, God lets them go ahead and sacrifice their babies to him so they
would be horrified and know he is Lord. 

(Ezek 20:26 NRSV) I defiled them through their very gifts, in their
offering up all their firstborn, in order that I might horrify them, so that
they might know that I am the LORD. 

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God kills a man for not impregnating his brother's wife. 

(Gen 38:9-10 NRSV) But since Onan knew that the offspring would not be his,
he spilled his semen on the ground whenever he went in to
his brother's wife, so that he would not give offspring to his brother. 

What he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD, and he put him to
death also. 

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King David is getting older and needs some help from God to complete
another slaughter: 

(2 Sam 22:9-16 NRSV) Smoke went up from his nostrils, and devouring fire
from his mouth; glowing coals flamed forth from him. 

He bowed the heavens, and came down; thick darkness was under his feet. 

He rode on a cherub, and flew; he was seen upon the wings of the wind. 

He made darkness around him a canopy, thick clouds, a gathering of water. 

Out of the brightness before him coals of fire flamed forth. 

The LORD thundered from heaven; the Most High uttered his voice. 

He sent out arrows, and scattered them --lightning, and routed them. 

Then the channels of the sea were seen, the foundations of the world
were laid bare at the rebuke of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of
his nostrils. 

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God allows Jewish babies to be dashed to pieces and pregnant Jewish
women to be ripped open. 

(Hosea 13:16 NRSV) Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has
rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones
shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. 

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Here God threatens to have wild animals carry the Israelites children away. 

(Lev 26:22 NRSV) I will let loose wild animals against you, and they shall
bereave you of your children... 

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The Bible says to kill your wife, your daughter, your son, your brother,
your friend, etc... if they worship other gods. 

(Deu 13:6-10 NRSV) If anyone secretly entices you--even if it is your
brother, your father's son or your mother's son, or your own son or
daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your most intimate friend-- saying,
"Let us go worship other gods," whom neither you nor your
ancestors have known, 

any of the gods of the peoples that are around you, whether near you or
far away from you, from one end of the earth to the other, you
must not yield to or heed any such persons. Show them no pity or
compassion and do not shield them. 

But you shall surely kill them; your own hand shall be first against
them to execute them, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 

Stone them to death for trying to turn you away from the LORD your God, ... 

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The bible says to beat your kids with a rod. 

(Prov 23:13 NRSV) Do not withhold discipline from your children; if you
beat them with a rod, they will not die. 

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The bible says that beating people and inflicting wounds is good for
people. 

(Prov 20:30 NRSV) Blows that wound cleanse away evil; beatings make
clean the innermost parts. 

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God unfairly promises to punish innocent children for the sins of their
parents "to the third and fourth generation". 

(Exo 20:5 NRSV) You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the LORD
your God am a jealous God, punishing children for
the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who
reject me, 

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The Lord terrifies and causes tumors to grow in the people of Ashdod because
they have the Ark of the Covenant. 

(1 Sam 5:6 NRSV) The hand of the LORD was heavy upon the people of Ashdod,
and he terrified and struck them with tumors, both in
Ashdod and in its territory. 

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Jesus doesn't allow one of his disciples to bury his father. 

(Mat 8:21 NRSV) Another of his disciples said to him, "Lord, first let me
go and bury my father." 

(Mat 8:22 NRSV) But Jesus said to him, "Follow me, and let the dead bury
their own dead." 

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Deception of a suffering dying father by his son is rewarded by God. 

Jacob steals Isaac's blessing pretending to be his brother Esau and playing a
trick on his dying father. God then rewards the deception. 

(Jacob is nervous about pulling the wool over his dying father's eyes.) 

(Gen 27:11-12 NRSV) But Jacob said to his mother Rebekah, "Look, my brother
Esau is a hairy man, and I am a man of smooth skin.
Perhaps my father will feel me, and I shall seem to be mocking him, and
bring a curse on myself and not a blessing." 

(Here Jacob does the dirty deed) 

(Gen 27:19 NRSV) *Jacob* said to his father, "*I am Esau* your firstborn.
I have done as you told me; now sit up and eat of my game, so
that you may bless me." 

(Dying Isaac blesses Jacob thinking he is blessing Esau his other son) 

(Esau shows up later and is angry about Jacob stealing his blessing,
oblivious to the fact his father is suffering and dying in front of him) 

(Gen 27:35 NRSV) But he (Isaac) said, "Your brother came deceitfully, and
he has taken away your blessing." 

(Here is God rewarding Jacob for stealing the blessing) 

(Gen 28:14 NRSV) and your offspring shall be like the dust of the earth,...

The Apostle Paul claimed that women have inferior judgement. 

(1 Tim 2:9-12 NRSV) also that the women should dress themselves modestly
and decently in suitable clothing, not with their hair braided,
or with gold, pearls, or expensive clothes, ... 

Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. 

I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep
silent. 

(1 Tim 2:13-14 NRSV) For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was *not

deceived*, but the woman *was deceived* and became
a transgressor. 

So Eve was deceived, therefore the judgements of all descendent women are
inferior according to the Apostle Paul. 

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The Apostle Paul says that women should be silent in church and learn at
home from their husbands. 

(1 Cor 14:34 NRSV) women should be silent in the churches. For they are
not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as the law
also says. 

(1 Cor 14:35 NRSV) If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask
their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to
speak in church. 

(1 Tim 2:11 NRSV) Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. 

(1 Tim 2:12 NRSV) I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man;
she is to keep silent. 

(1 Cor 11:5 NRSV) but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled
disgraces her head--it is one and the same thing as
having her head shaved. 

(1 Cor 11:7 NRSV) For a man ought not to have his head veiled, since he is
the image and reflection of God; but woman is the reflection of
man. 

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A poor gentile mother begs at Jesus' feet for her little daughter and
Jesus' response is to refer to her and her daughter as dogs because they
weren't Jewish. 

(Mark 7:25 NRSV) but a woman whose little daughter had an unclean spirit
immediately heard about him, and she came and bowed down
at his feet. 

(Mark 7:26 NRSV) Now the woman was a Gentile, of Syrophoenician origin.
She begged him to cast the demon out of her daughter. 

(Mark 7:27 NRSV) He said to her, "Let the children be fed first, for it is
not fair to take the children's food and throw it to the dogs." 

Note: Jesus did eventually help, but he didn't need to be so rude to a
mother begging at his feet for her little daughter. This is inconsistent
with a "loving" Jesus. 

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Jesus says you will be rewarded if you abandon your wife and kids for for
the "kingdom of God". 

(Luke 18:28-30 NRSV) Then Peter said, "Look, we have left our homes and
followed you." 

And he said to them, "Truly I tell you, there is no one who has left
house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of the
kingdom of God, who will not get back very much more in this age, and
in the age to come eternal life." 

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Solomon has his competition (his brother Adonijah), his competition's
sympathizer, and an old turncoat murdered to ensure his rule. 

Solomon who was supposed to have "divine right" to the throne, feels the
need to execute his possible rivals immediately after ascending
to it. 

(First Adonijah) 

(1 Ki 2:24 NRSV) Now therefore as the LORD lives, who has established me
and placed me on the throne of my father David, and who
has made me a house as he promised, today Adonijah shall be put to death." 

(Then Joab) 

(1 Ki 2:29 NRSV) When it was told King Solomon, "Joab has fled to the tent
of the LORD and now is beside the altar," Solomon sent
Benaiah son of Jehoiada, saying, "Go, strike him down." 

(Finally Shimei) 

(1 Ki 2:46 NRSV) Then the king commanded Benaiah son of Jehoiada; and he went
out and struck him (Shimei) down, and he died. So the
kingdom was established in the hand of Solomon. 

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Here Jesus says it's ok to castrate yourself for the kingdom of heaven. 

(Mat 19:12 NRSV) For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and
there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and
there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the
*kingdom of heaven*. Let anyone accept this who can." 

The greek words for kingdom and heaven are: *basileia* and *ouranos*. 

932. basileia, bas-il-i'-ah; from G935; prop. royalty, i.e. (abstr.)
rule, or (concr.) a realm (lit. or fig.):--kingdom, + reign 

3772. ouranos, oo-ran-os'; perh. from the same as G3735 (through the idea of
elevation); the sky; by extens. heaven (as the abode of God);
by impl. happiness, power, eternity; spec. the Gospel (Christianity): --air,
heaven ([-ly]), sky. 

Note: This passage is purposely distorted in the NIV and Living bible to
appear to be dealing with marriage. There is nothing in the
original Greek for this verse that has anything to do with marriage. 

The greek word in this verse specifically is eunuch: 

2135. eunouchos, yoo-noo'-khos; from eune (a bed) and G2192; a castrated
person (such being employed in Oriental bed-chambers); by
extens. an impotent or unmarried man; by impl. a chamberlain
(state-officer):--eunuch. 

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Samson loses a bet, the "spirit of the Lord comes upon him" and he slays
30 Philistine men to get their robes to pay off the bet. 

(Judg 14:19 KJV) And the spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he went
down to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men of them, and took
their spoil, and gave change of garments unto them which expounded the riddle 

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Perverse men come banging on the door of a man of God and he gives them his
guest's concubine: 

(Judg 19:22 NRSV) While they were enjoying themselves, the men of the city,
a perverse lot, surrounded the house, and started pounding
on the door. They said to the old man, the master of the house, "Bring out
the man who came into your house, so that we may have
intercourse with him." 

(Judg 19:24 NRSV) (The old man) Here are my virgin daughter and his
concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish them and do
whatever you want to them; but against this man do not do such a vile
thing." 

(Judg 19:25 NRSV) ... So the man seized his concubine, and put her out
to them. They wantonly raped her, and abused her all through the
night until the morning. And as the dawn began to break, they let her
go. 

(later the poor innocent raped concubine returns and is sadistically
murdered) 

(Judg 19:29 NRSV) When he had entered his house, he took a knife, and
grasping his concubine he cut her into twelve pieces, limb by limb,
and sent her throughout all the territory of Israel. 

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To prove he is a man of God, Elijah has fire come down from heaven and burn
to death 51 men. 

(2 Ki 1:10 NRSV) But Elijah answered the captain of fifty, "If I am a man of
God, let fire come down from heaven and consume you and
your fifty." Then fire came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.

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A barbaric punishment for women who interfere with their husband's brawl. 

(Deut 25:11-12 NRSV) If men get into a fight with one another, and the wife
of one intervenes to rescue her husband from the grip of his
opponent by reaching out and seizing his genitals, 

you shall cut off her hand; show no pity. 

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Samson kills 3000 men and women with the help of "God strengthening him". 

(Judg 16:27-30 NRSV) Now the house was full of men and women; all the lords
of the Philistines were there, and on the roof there were
about *three thousand men and women*, who looked on while Samson performed.

Then Samson called to the LORD and said, "Lord GOD, remember me and strengthen
me only this once, O God, so that with this one act
of revenge I may pay back the Philistines for my two eyes." 

And Samson grasped the two middle pillars on which the house rested, and he
leaned his weight against them, his right hand on the one and
his left hand on the other. 

Then Samson said, "Let me die with the Philistines." He strained with all

his might; and the house fell on the lords and all the people who
were in it. So those he killed at his death were more than those he had
killed during his life. 

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King Solomon enslaves thirty thousand men to build his Temple (which has never
been found by archaeologists). 

.. Solomon's biblical Temple of which, like the king who made it, not one
trace has survived. - from Romer's book "Testament" 

(1 Ki 5:5 NRSV) So I intend to build a house for the name of the LORD my
God, as the LORD said to my father David, 'Your son, whom
I will set on your throne in your place, shall build the house for my name.'

(1 Ki 5:13-14 NRSV) King Solomon conscripted *forced labor* out of all
Israel; the levy numbered thirty thousand men. 

He sent them to the Lebanon, ten thousand a month in shifts; they would be
a month in the Lebanon and two months at home; Adoniram
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Moses is angry because women had been allowed to live by solders in a raid.
He says to take the virgins for yourselves and kill all the
nonvirgins and the male children. 

(Num 31:14-18 NRSV) Moses became angry with the officers of the army, the
commanders of thousands and the commanders of
hundreds, who had come from service in the war. 

*Moses said to them, "Have you allowed all the women to live?* 

These women here, on Balaam's advice, made the Israelites act treacherously
against the LORD in the affair of Peor, so that the plague
came among the congregation of the LORD. 

Now therefore, kill every male among the *little ones*, and *kill every
woman* who has known a man by sleeping with him. 

But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him,
keep alive for yourselves. 

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The Jabesh-gilead tribe of Israel failed to show up for a roll call and are
all killed, men, women, and children. 

(Judg 21:10 NRSV) So the congregation sent twelve thousand soldiers there
and commanded them, "Go, put the inhabitants of
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Elisha, angered by some children making fun of him curses them and she-bears
come out of the woods and mauled the children. 

(2 Ki 2:22-24 NRSV) 

...Elisha spoke. 

He went up from there to Bethel; and while he was going up on the way, some 
small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, 

"Go away, baldhead! Go away, baldhead!" 

When he turned around and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD.
Then two she-bears came out of the woods and mauled
forty-two of the boys. 

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King Saul is jealous because David slaughters 10 times more people. 

(1 Sam 18:7-8 NRSV) And the women sang to one another as they made merry,
"Saul has killed his thousands, and David his ten
thousands." 

Saul was very angry, for this saying displeased him. He said, "They have
ascribed to David ten thousands, and to me they have ascribed
thousands; 

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King David sees Bathsheba in the nude as she is sunbathing, impregnates her
and sends her husband off to be killed at the front line of a
battle. (Later God disapproves and kills the baby that is born) 

(2 Sam 11:4 NRSV) So David sent messengers to get her, and she came to him,
 and he lay with her. The woman conceived; and she sent
and told David, "I am pregnant." 

(King David thinks of a way to get rid of her husband) 

(2 Sam 11:15 NRSV) In the letter he wrote, "Set Uriah in the forefront of
the hardest fighting, and then draw back from him, so that he
may be struck down and die." 

(After he had her husband killed, he added her to his harem of 6 other women) 

(2 Sam 11:27 NRSV) When the mourning was over, David sent and brought her
to his house, and she became his wife, and bore him a son. 

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More murder by King David: 

(1 Sam 27:9-10 NRSV) David struck the land, leaving neither man nor woman
alive, 

When Achish asked, "Against whom have you made a raid today?" David would
say, "Against the Negeb of Judah," or "Against the Negeb
of the Jerahmeelites," or, "Against the Negeb of the Kenites." 

(2 Sam 3:14 NRSV) Then David sent messengers to Saul's son Ishbaal, saying,
"Give me my wife Michal, to whom I became engaged at
the price of one hundred foreskins of the Philistines." 

(2 Sam 8:13 NRSV) David won a name for himself. When he returned, he killed
eighteen thousand Edomites in the Valley of Salt. 

(2 Sam 18:7 NRSV) The men of Israel were defeated there by the servants of
David, and the slaughter there was great on that day, twenty
thousand men. 

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After King David sleeps with another man's wife and then sends that man
off to battle to die, God is not pleased, so he kills the innocent
baby. 

(2 Sam 12:14 NRSV) Nevertheless, because by this deed you have utterly
scorned the LORD, the child that is born to you shall die." 

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A man is killed for picking up sticks on the Sabbath 

(Num 15:32-36 NRSV) 

When the Israelites were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering
sticks on the sabbath day. 

Those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses, Aaron, and
to the whole congregation. 

They put him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done
to him. 

Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man shall be put to death; all the
congregation shall stone him outside the camp." 

The whole congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death, 

just as the LORD had commanded Moses. 

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King Solomon has 1000 lovers. 

(1 Ki 11:1 NRSV) King Solomon loved many foreign women along with the daughter
of Pharaoh: Moabite, Ammonite, Edomite, Sidonian,
and Hittite women, 

(1 Ki 11:3 NRSV) Among his wives were seven hundred princesses and three
hundred concubines; 

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The children of Israel (God's chosen nation) had slaves. Here is Here is a
law concerning their treatment: 

(Exo 21:20-21 NRSV) When a slaveowner strikes a male or female slave with a
rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be
punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, there is no punishment;
for the slave is the owner's property. 

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The adventures of Joab (servant of King David): 

(Joab is after Amasa and Sheba, he finds the first one) 

(2 Sam 20:9-10 NRSV) Joab said to Amasa, "Is it well with you, my brother?"
And Joab took Amasa by the beard with his right hand to
kiss him. 

But Amasa did not notice the sword in Joab's hand; Joab struck him in the
belly so that his entrails poured out on the ground, and he died. 

(Joab goes after Sheba in Abel of Bethmaacah, his forces start to batter
a wall down when a woman comes up with a plan to save her city) 

(2 Sam 20:21-22 NRSV) The woman said to Joab, "His head shall be thrown
over the wall to you." 

Then the woman went to all the people with her wise plan. And they cut
off the head of Sheba son of Bichri, and threw it out to Joab. 

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Jael kills her guest Sisera with a tent peg 

(Judg 5:24-27 NRSV) "Most blessed of women be Jael, the wife of Heber
the Kenite, of tent-dwelling women most blessed. 

He asked water and she gave him milk, she brought him curds in a lordly
bowl. 

She put her hand to the tent peg and her right hand to the workmen's
mallet; she struck Sisera a blow, she crushed his head, she shattered
and pierced his temple. 

He sank, he fell, he lay still at her feet; at her feet he sank, he
fell; where he sank, there he fell dead. 

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An instance of human sacrifice to the God of the Bible. 

A man burns his daughter as a sacrificial offering to the God of the
Bible in exchange for letting him kill the Ammonites. 

(Judg 11:30-31 NRSV) And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD, and said, "If
you will give the Ammonites into my hand, then whoever
comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from
the Ammonites, shall be the Lord's, to be offered up by me
as a burnt offering." 

(Jephthah's daughter came out to cheer his victory and Jephthah burns her
as a sacrifice to God) 

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Noah becomes drunk and passes out naked. Noah's son Ham sees Noah naked
and Noah curses Ham's son (*Canaan*). 

(Gen 9:21-25 NRSV) He (Noah) drank some of the wine and became drunk, and
he lay uncovered in his tent. And Ham, the father of
Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside.

Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders,
and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father;
their faces were turned away, and they did not see their father's nakedness. 

When Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son (Ham) had
*done* to him, he said, "Cursed be Canaan (Ham's son);
lowest of slaves shall he be to his brothers." 

It is thought that this story has been modified as it certainly makes no
sense in it's current form. It is possible that this story originally had
Ham castrating Noah, which would explain Noah's anger. 

By emasculating Noah, Ham would have deprived Noah of a fourth son who
would have replaced Ham's son as Noah's heir. 

There are many parallel castration myths (for example: Cronos castrates
his father Uranus). 

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According to the bible, disrespectful children are to be delt with
harshly. 

(Exo 21:17 NRSV) Whoever curses father or mother shall be put to
death.
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And your point is what?

Micki wrote:

 Gen 1:6-7 NRSV) And God said, "Let there be a dome in the midst of the
 waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." So God made the
 dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters
 that were above the dome. And it was so.

 Here God is imagined to create a solid sky dome that seperates the
 waters into two parts. One would become the oceans and the other would
 remain above the solid sky dome to provide an explanation of where water
 came from to cause clouds and rain in the absence of the knowledge of
 evaporation.

 (Psa 148:4 NRSV) Praise him, you highest heavens, and you waters above
 the heavens!

 This cosmological model was common to nearly all the cultures of the
 Mediterranean world at the time.

 Celestial bodies were thought to be attached to this sky dome.

 (Gen 1:14-17 NRSV) And God said, "Let there be lights in the dome of the
 sky to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and
 for seasons and for days and years, and let them be lights in the dome
 of the sky to give light upon the earth." And it was so. God made the
 two great lights--the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light
 to rule the night--and the stars. God set them in the dome of the sky to
 give light upon the earth,

 Notice that the lights, the Sun, the Moon, and the stars are set inside
 the sky dome.

 In Proverbs and Job it is mentioned that the sky dome is hard.

 (Prov 8:28 NRSV) when he made firm the skies above, ... (Job 37:18 NRSV)
 Can you, like him, spread out the skies, hard as a molten mirror?

 The Hebrews used the term "molten" to mean made of cast metal. Mirrors
 at the time were cast bronze polished and sometimes coated with mercury.

 In the Book of Job,  God is imagined to walk on top of the sky dome.

 (Job 22:14 NRSV) Thick clouds enwrap him, so that he does not see, and
 he walks on the dome of heaven.'

 In the folowing passages  notice that heaven has to be "opened" for
 things to pass through, things in and above heaven to be seen, and for
 rainwater to come through. One would think that would not be necessary
 unless the sky was imagined to be solid. Some would say that this was
 not be taken literaly, but the sky was imagined to be solid in most
 cultures for over 1500 years after the last books of the bible were
 written.

 (John 1:51 NRSV) And he said to him, "Very truly, I tell you, you will
 see heaven opened and the angels of God ascending and descending upon
 the Son of Man."

 (Acts 10:11 NRSV) He saw the heaven opened and something like a large
 sheet coming down, being lowered to the ground by its four corners.

 (Acts 7:56 NRSV) "Look," he said, "I see the heavens opened and the Son
 of Man standing at the right hand of God!"

 (Mat 3:16-17 NRSV) And when Jesus had been baptized, just as he came up
 from the water, suddenly the heavens were opened to him and he saw the
 Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. And a voice
 from heaven said, "This is my Son, the Beloved, with whom I am well
 pleased."

 (2 Chr 6:26 NRSV) "When heaven (same Hebrew word as sky) is shut up and
 there is no rain because...

 (Psa 78:23 NRSV) Yet he commanded the skies above, and opened the doors
 of heaven (same Hebrew word as sky);

 (Mal 3:10 NRSV) Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, so that there
 may be food in my house, and thus put me to the test, says the LORD of
 hosts; see if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour
 down for you an overflowing blessing. (talking about rain for crops)

 (Rev 11:6 NRSV) They have authority to shut the sky, so that no rain may
 fall during the days of their prophesying,

 (Gen 7:11-12 NRSV) In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the
 second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the
 fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens
 were opened. The rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

 In the Bible the earth is a round flat object with ends and which is
 immovable and set on pillars.

 Here God is imagined to draw a circle on the face of the waters to make
 the earth.

 (Prov 8:26-27 NRSV) when he had not yet made earth and fields, or the
 world's first bits of soil. When he established the heavens, I was
 there, when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,

 A circle is of course a flat round object. Some would say that the
 ancient Hebrews had no word for sphere so they used circle, but that is
 not true. There is a Hebrew word for ball used in the bible. A flat
 round earth was intuitive to these primitive people. If you picture
 yourself in their place, it would not be too hard to imagine the earth
 as being round and flat as you turn around to trace the outline of the
 horizon where the sky seems to meet the earth.

 Here God is imagined to sit above the circle of the earth looking down
 on it's inhabitants who are small like grasshoppers.

 (Isa 40:22 NRSV) It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and
 its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens
 like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to live in;

 Again a circle is a flat two dimensional object and there was a Hebrew
 word for ball which would have been more appropriate if the author would
 have been aware of the earth's spherical nature.

 Here the author of Daniel writes of a dream of Nebuchadnezzar where a
 tree grows at the "center" of the earth. Assuming that the tree grew on
 the surface, this is most certainly the center of a flat earth as a
 spherical earth would have no center on it's surface. Also notice that
 the tree grew so tall it's top reached heaven and was visible to the
 "ends of the earth". So these verses indicate that Nebuchadnezzar and
 the author of Daniel pictured a flat earth as everyone else did in their
 time.

 (Dan 4:10-11 NRSV) Upon my bed this is what I saw; there was a tree at
 the center of the earth, and its height was great. The tree grew great
 and strong, its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the ends of
 the whole earth.

 Here it is possible that this gospel author still imagined a flat earth
 as Jesus is able to see all the kingdoms of the world from a high
 mountain. This would not be possible on a spherical earth.

 (Mat 4:8 NRSV) Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and
 showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor;

 (Psa 93:1 NRSV) ... He has established the world; it shall never be
 moved;

 Actually it is moving several thousands of miles per hour, but Galileo
 had problems convincing the Pope of that over two milennia later . . .

 (1 Sam 2:8 NRSV) For the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and on
 them he has set the world.

 (Isa 24:18 NRSV) or the windows of heaven are opened, and the
 foundations of the earth tremble.

 Joshua was imagined to have commanded the Sun and the Moon to stand
 still over particular geographic locations like a helecoptor could be
 imagined to hover over a particular moutain or valley as if the Sun and
 the Moon were only a few miles high instead of 93 million (Sun) and 1/4
 million (Moon) miles away. To the author the Sun and the Moon were
 attached to a rotating solid sky dome, just a few miles above his head.

 (Josh 10:12-13 NRSV) On the day when the LORD gave the Amorites over to
 the Israelites, Joshua spoke to the LORD; and he said in the sight of
 Israel, "Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and Moon, in the valley of
 Aijalon."

 And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took
 vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar?
 The sun stopped in midheaven, and did not hurry to set for about a whole
 day.

 Finally, returning to Genesis 1, we find the creation order of the
 creatures and plants of world carefully listed, but in the wrong order.
 Trees and flowering plants before fish for example. There were fish in
 the seas long before there were any plants on land, and trees long
 before there were flowering plants.
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Some Bible problems with common Christian doctrines

Jesus doesnıt seem to think he was God in Synoptic Gospels

Jesus seems to think that works are important

Indications that Moses wasnıt a Bible author

New Testament says not to bother with back sliders

Problems with Godıs omnipotence - God rests

Problems with Godıs omnipotence - God fails

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Here is an indication that Jesus did not consider himself to be God (at
least not according to the Synoptic Gospels)..

(Mark 10:17-18 NRSV) As he was setting out on a journey, a man ran up and
knelt before him, and asked him, ³Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit
eternal life?²    

Jesus said to him, ³Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.

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This verse contradicts the idea of ³grace². Jesus says here you have to do
good works to get to Heaven.

(Context: Jesus is speaking)

(John 5:28-29 NRSV) Do not be astonished at this; for the hour is coming
when all who are in their graves will hear his voice

and will come out--those who have *done good*, to the resurrection of
life, and those who
have *done evil*, to the resurrection of condemnation.

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Some scriptures that indicate that Moses did not write any of the bible
(provided he even existed).

(Num 12:3 NRSV) Now the man Moses was very humble, more so than anyone else on
the face of the earth.

(This is of course not the sort of thing you would expect the humblest man on
earth to write about himself)

(And here Moses writes about how he died)

(Deu 34:5 NRSV) Then Moses, the servant of the LORD, died there in the land of
 Moab, at the Lordıs command.

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The bible clearly says that effort expended toward ³back slidden² people is a
waste of time.

(Heb 6:4-6 NRSV) For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who
have once been enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared
in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the
powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, since on their own they
are crucifying again the Son of God and are holding him up to contempt.

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Here God ³rests² and God ³walks². This of course are things you wouldnıt expect
an omnipotent, omnipresent being to have to do.

(Gen 2:2 NRSV) And on the seventh day God finished the work that he had done,
and *he rested* on the seventh day from all the work that he had done.

(note that although apologetics will try to say he just ³ceased², that is not
what this is saying, it is saying that he had to rest for a day from his work
as a being that was tired)

(Exo 31:17 NRSV) It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that
in six days the LORD made heaven and earth,and on the seventh day he *rested*,
and was *refreshed*.²

(Gen 3:8 NRSV) They heard the sound of the LORD God *walking* in the garden at

the time of the evening breeze, and the man and his wife hid themselves from
the
presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.

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This verse goes against the doctrine that God is omnipotent. God was ³with
Judah² but they could not drive out the plainıs people because they had
chariots
of iron. 

(Judg 1:19 NRSV) The LORD was with Judah, and he took possession of the hill
country, but could not drive out the inhabitants of the plain,
because they had
chariots of iron.
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snakes are more crafty than any other animal (Gen 3:1)
snakes are ³wise² (Matt 10:16)
snakes can talk (Gen 3:1-5)
snake image can protect against snakebite (Num 21:8-9)--(note that
it violates the second commandment)
snakes eat dust (Gen 3:14, Isaiah 65:25)
spiders (or lizards) and ants, locusts, badgers are exceedingly wise
(Prov 30:24-28)
stars can be seen in daylight (Gen 15:5, 12)
star can locate a town (Matt 2:9)
stars can fall to earth (Rev  6:13, Mark 13:25)
sticks turn into snakes and vice-versa (Ex 4:2-4)
sun will be darkened (Mark 13:24)
sun goes down at noon; darkens the entire (flat) earth (Amos 8:9)
sun stands still (Josh 10:13, Hab 3:11, Job 9:7)
sun goes ³backwards² (2 Kings 20:11; Is 38:8)
sun revolves around earth (³geocentrism²) (Eccl 1:5)
sweating blood is possible (Luke 22:44)
thunder explained as voice of god (Job 37:3-4)
tectonic forces and mountain uplifting denied (Is 24:20)
turtles have voices (Song 2:12)
unicorns exist (Num 23:22; Deut 33:17; Ps 22:21, 29:6; Job 39:9-10; Is 34:7)
virgin birth (human) can occur (Is 7:14; Matt 1:23; Luke 1:34)
walking on water possible (Matt 14:25, Mark 6:48, John 6:19)
walking through a door or walls possible (John 20:19, John 20:26)
water can change into wine (John 2:3-10)
water and food deprivation for 40 days is not lethal (Ex 34:28)
weather phenomena altered on whim (Matt 8:26, Luke 5:27, Luke 8:24)
whales are fish (Jonah 1:17, Jonah 2:1)
whales or fish can safely swallow a person whole (Jonah 1:17, Jonah 2:1
Matt 12:40)
wind emanates from storehouses (Ps 135:7; Jer 10:13, 51:16)
witches exist (Ex  22:18, 1 Sam 15:23, 2 Kings 9:22, Micah 5:12, Gal 5:19 )
withering of vegetation can be done by a mere glance (Matt 21:19, Mark 11:21) 
woman created from male tissue (Gen 2:21-23)
worms donıt die in hell-fire (Mark 9:47)

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Bible errors

Jesus said the end of the world would be in his generation

Jesus said that believers could handle snakes and drink poison

Problems with the Exodus story

Jesusı primitive astronomy

Problems with the Jonah story

Garden of Eden was not a fair test

Joshua makes the Sun stand still in the sky

Nebuchadnezzar has a flat earth dream

Ahaziah was 2 years older than his father

The Bible claims there are 4 legged insects

The Bible claims rabbits (hares) chew their cud

God draws a flat circle on the water to make the earth

Problems with the Tower of Babel story

Jesus incorrectly states that Moses wrote of him in his law

Jesus incorrectly states that noone has ascended to heaven

Author of Matthew miscounts his generations

Jesus quotes a scripture that does not exist in canonized bible

Problems with Paulıs signs of the last days

Problems with Jesusı signs of the last days

Problems with Satan tempting Jesus

Sorcery forbidden and yet practiced in the Bible

Jesus incorrectly states no man can serve two masters

Peter misquotes an Old Testament verse

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Jesus is talking of signs that will happen before the end of the world to his
disciples)

(Notice: Jesus probably thought the stars were little lights attached to
a solid
rotating sky
dome like everyone else at that time)

(Mat 24:29 NRSV) ³Immediately after the suffering of those days the sun will
be
darkened, and the moon will not give its light; *the stars will fall from
heaven*, and the powers of .heaven will be shaken

(Mat 24:30 NRSV) Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and
then
all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see Œthe Son of Man
coming
on the clouds of heavenı with power and great glory.

(Jesus now says to his disciples that their generation will not pass away
before
the end of the world)

(Mat 24:34 NRSV) Truly I tell you, *this generation will not pass away* until
all these things have taken place.

(Their generation did pass away, but the world didnıt end)

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Jesus tells his disciples that those ³who believe² can heal, handle snakes,
cast demons out, speak in tongues, and drink poison.

(Mark 16:17-18 NRSV) And these signs will accompany those who believe: by using
my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues;

they will pick up snakes in their hands, and if they drink any deadly thing,
it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will
recover.²

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The Exodus story is almost certainly a fabrication or at least extremely
exaggerated.

The bible says 600,000 men (hopefully accompanied by an equal number of women),
children, and a ³mixed² crowd supposedly left Egypt.

(Exo 12:37-38 NRSV) The Israelites journeyed from Rameses to Succoth,about *six
hundred thousand men* on foot, besides children. A mixed crowd also went...

This is somewhere around 1.5 million people (more than live in the city of
Dallas).

It is very unlikely that the Egyptians kept 1.5 million people enslaved,
controlled, and fed.

It is also very unlikely that hundreds of thousands of Israelites wandered
around on foot in
a desert region with little food or water for 40 years after they left.

There is no record anywhere of Egypt ever enslaving the Israelites. There is no
archaeological evidence to support the Israelites being in Egypt.

It is well established that the Egyptians themselves built all their cities and
monuments during the off season (farming).

There is no record in Egypt of 1.5 million people suddenly getting up and
leaving (The Egyptians were meticulous record keepers).

There is no archaeological evidence of anything more than a few scattered
encampments in the wilderness where supposedly at least hundreds of thousands
wandered and died in the Bible.

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Jesus was just a mortal man who had no special knowledge of modern cosmology.
Hereare some verses that indicate this: 

(Jesus is talking about the end of the world) (Mat 24:29 NRSV) ³Immediately
after the suffering of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will
not give its light; *the stars will fall* from heaven, and the powers of heaven
will be shaken.

Jesus is obviously talking about stars (to him little lights) falling from the
sky (to him just a few miles up) down to earth.

This was entirely feasible to people of his time as they did not know that the
stars are huge celestial objects like our sun (many, many times larger than the
earth) that were unimaginably distant.

We know today that stars are suns that are at such distances that light takes
dozens to hundreds of thousands of years to travel to us.

Even if they could travel instantaneously to earth, they could not ³fall to
earth² as they are up to millions of times larger than the earth.

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Here is the certainly mythical story of how Jonah lived inside of a fish for
three days:

(Jonah 1:17 NRSV) But the LORD provided a large fish to swallow up Jonah; and
Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

Lets assume that the story was talking about a whale which was incorrectly
dentified as a fish by this tale and that the whale would have some interest in
swallowing a person whole, letıs look at some of the other ways this is
fiction:                          

a) No oxygen.

b) Lot of poisonous digestive juices.

c) No drinkable water.

d) A whale has an enormously fast digestive system.

The Bible goes on to tell of how God ³talks² to the ³fish² and the ³fish²
³spews² the man on to dry land.

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The test in the Garden of Eden myth, was not a fair test considering it
requires the knowledge of good and evil to not do something evil, yet this is
what eating the fruit was supposed to give to the couple.

(Gen 2:25 NRSV) And the man and his wife were both naked, and were not ashamed.

(After eating the forbidden fruit)

(Gen 3:10-11 NRSV) (Adam) He said, ³I heard the sound of you in the garden, and
I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.²

(God) ³Who told you that you were naked?

Not knowing good from evil (Gen 3:5), they did something evil so God punished
them...

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The bibleıs primitive astronomy provides a longer day to complete the
killing of all the Amorite men, women, and children.

Joshua realized that he wasnıt going to have enough time to
completely slaughter all of the Amorites (even with God helping by
throwing boulders from the sky to crush the people that were fleeing) so he
commanded the Sun to stand still in the sky over Gibeon and the Moon to
standstill over the valley of Aijalon.

The author of Joshua like everyone else in his day was unaware of the earthıs
rotation and thought the Sun went around the earth and that the Sun and Moon
were only a few miles up in the sky, hence the command to make them stand
still over certain topographic features of the earth.

These very verses were used by the Church against Galileo when he suggested
that the earth turned instead:

(Josh 10:12-13 NRSV) On the day when the LORD gave the Amorites over to the
Israelites, Joshua spoke to the LORD; and he said in the sight of Israel,
³Sun, stand still *at Gibeon*, and Moon, *in the valley of Aijalon*.² 

And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance
on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped
in midheaven, and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.

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Here is the dream of Nebuchadnezzar as the author of the book of Daniel imagined
it. The author imagined a tree growing from the center of a flat earth and it
reached the sky which in his day was thought to be just a few miles high. The
tree was visible to the ³ends² of the flat earth.

(Dan 4:10 NRSV) Upon my bed this is what I saw; there was a tree at the center
of the earth, and its height was great.

The word hebrew word for earth here is ara:

772. Œaraı, (Chald.), ar-ahı; corresp. to H776; the earth; by impl. (fig.)
low:--earth, inferior

(Dan 4:11 NRSV) The tree grew great and strong, its top reached to heaven, and
it was visible to the ends of the whole earth.

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According to the bible, Ahaziah was 2 years older than his father Jehoram.

(Jehoram was inflicted with a disease by God that killed him after
an eight year
reign)

(2 Chr 21:20 NRSV) (Jehoram) He was *thirty-two* years old when he began to
reign; he reigned *eight years* in Jerusalem. ...They buried him in the city of
David...

So Jehoram died at the age of forty.

(2 Chr 22:1 NRSV) The inhabitants of Jerusalem made his *youngest* son Ahaziah
king as his successor; for the troops who came with the Arabs to the camp had
killed all the *older* sons.So Ahaziah son of Jehoram reigned as king of Judah.

(2 Chr 22:2 NRSV) Ahaziah was *forty-two* years old when he began to reign; he
reigned one year in Jerusalem. 

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The bible incorrectly says there are 4 legged insects. There are no insects
anywhere that have 4 legs.

(Lev 11:20-21 NRSV) All winged insects that walk upon all fours are detestable
to you.

But among the winged insects that walk on all fours you may eat those that have
jointed legs above their feet, with which to leap on the ground.

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The bible incorrectly states that rabbits (hares) chew their cud.

(Deu 14:7 NRSV) Yet of those that chew the cud or have the hoof cleft you shall
not eat these: the camel, the hare, and the rock badger, because they chew the
cud but do not divide the hoof; they are unclean for you.

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Here again the bible seems to be saying that the earth is flat.

Here are more verses describing it as God ³drawing² a flat 2 dimensional circle
on the *face* of the waters to make the earth.

(Prov 8:26-27 NRSV) when he had not yet made earth and fields, or the worldıs
first bits of soil. When he established the heavens, I was there, when he drew
a circle on the face of the deep

(Job 26:10 NRSV) He has described a circle on the face of the waters, at the
boundary between light and darkness.

(Isa 40:22 NRSV) It is he who sits above the *circle of the earth*, and its
inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a
curtain, and spreads them like a tent to live in;  

The hebrew word for circle here is chuwg

2329. chuwg, khoog; from H2328; a circle:--circle, circuit, compass

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Problems with the story of the tower of Babel (A myth to explain why there are
different languages).

(Gen 11:4-7 NRSV) Then they said, ³Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a
tower with its top in the heavens,

(Like most people in their time, the authors of Genesis thought that the sky
was
a dome that was just a few miles up)

and let us make a name for ourselves;otherwise we shall be scattered abroad
upon
 the face of the whole earth.²

(If they donıt make a name for themselves they will be scattered, this sounds
fairly contrived so far)

The LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which mortals had built.

(The Lord had to ³come down² cause he was ³up² in heaven not omni- present, but
imagined as anthropomorphic to this author. Also he had to come down because he
*couldnıt see the city and the tower* from where he was?)

And the LORD said, ³Look, they are one people, and they have all one language;
and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing that they propose
to do will now be impossible for them.

(God is afraid of these people when all they are doing is building. Look at the
pyramids in Egypt and Central America, and the structures *high* in the Andies
mountains by the Incas, and the sky scrapers we build today. There hasnıt been
any apparent divine intervention to spoil these projects yet)

Come, let us go down, and confuse their language there, so that they will not
understand one anotherıs speech.²

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Jesus incorrectly said that he was mention by Moses in his law.

(Luke 24:44 NRSV) Then he said to them, ³These are my words that I spoke to you
while I
was still with you--that everything written about me in the law of Moses,... 

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Jesus incorrectly states that noone has ascended into heaven except the ³Son
of Man².

(John 3:13 NRSV) No one has ascended into heaven except the one who descended
from heaven, the Son of Man.

(John 3:15 NRSV) that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.

(here is Elijah *ascending* to heaven)

(2 Ki 2:11 NRSV) As they continued walking and talking, a chariot of fire and
horses of
fire separated the two of them, and Elijah *ascended in a whirlwind into
heaven*.

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The author of Matthew says there are 42 generations from Abraham to Jesus.

(Mat 1:17 NRSV) So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen
generations; and from David to the deportation to Babylon, fourteen generations;
and from the deportation to Babylon to the Messiah fourteen generations. 
(3 x 14 = 42

The number of generations he actually lists is instead 41.

Matthew 1rst chapter:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Abraham Isaac Jacob Judah Perez Hezron Aram 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
Aminadab Nahshon Salmon Boaz Obed Jesse King David.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Solomon Rehoboam Abijah Asaph Jehoshaphat Joram Uzziah 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 Jotham Ahaz Hezekiah Manasseh Amos Josiah Jechoniah

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Salathiel Zerubbabel Abiud Eliakim Azor Zadok Achim 8 9 10 11 12
13 Eliud Eleazar Matthan Jacob Joseph Jesus

14+14+13 = 41

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Jesus quotes another scripture that doesnıt exist in the canonized bible.

(John 7:38 NRSV) and let the one who believes in me drink. As the scripture has
said, ŒOut
of the believerıs heart shall flow rivers of living water.ı²

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Paul gives a list of things that supposedly indicate the ³last days², but the
things he listed are things that are continually going on all the time.

(2 Tim 3:1-5 NRSV) You must understand this, that in the last days distressing
times will come.

For people will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, arrogant,
abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,

inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, brutes, haters of good,
treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than
lovers of God, holding to the outward form of godliness but denying its power.
Avoid them!

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Jesus lists things that supposedly indicate the ³last days², but his list is of
things that are continually going on throughout history..

(Matthew 24:3-14)

When he was sitting on the Mount of Olives,the disciples came to him privately,
saying, ³Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign of your coming
and of the end of the age?²

Jesus answered them, ³Beware that no one leads you astray. For many will come
in my name, saying, ŒI am the Messiah!ı and they will lead many astray. And
you
will hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not alarmed; for this
must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation,
and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in
various places: all this is but the beginning of the birth pangs. ³Then they
will hand you over to be tortured and will put you to death, and you will
be hated by all nations because of my name. Then many will fall away, and
they
will betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will
arise
and lead many astray. And because of the increase of lawlessness, the love
of
many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. And this
good news of the kingdom will be
proclaimed throughout the world, as a testimony to all the nations; and then
the end will come. ...

(Here is the only specific thing Jesus says and it is right before the
specific
³coming on the clouds of heaven²)

(Matthew 24:29) ³Immediately after the suffering of those days the sun will be
darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from
heaven,
and the powers of heaven will be shaken.

(Again vauge nonspecific things that have been going on throughout all history
(except for the Messiah statement which has only been going on since the
Babylonian Exile ~2500 years ago)

Preachers have been using vauge ³signs² ever since Jesus to claim that their
generation will be the last one. This has been going on for centuries and is
 being claimed today.

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Here is Satan telling Jesus (who was supposed to be God and owner of the world
according to christian religions) to worship him and he will ³give² him the
world?

(Mat 4:8 NRSV) Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed
him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor;

(Only possible on a flat earth, which the authors of the synoptic Gospels must
have imagined)

(Mat 4:9 NRSV) and he said to him, ³All these I will give you, if you will fall
down and worship me.² 

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The Deuteronomist outlaws foreign sorcery, but the bible authors use a
multitude
of their own sorcerers (called prophets) to contact a supernatural power (their
god) and to attempt to determine the future.

(Deu 18:10 NRSV) No one shall be found among you who makes a son or daughter
pass through fire, or who *practices divination*, or is a soothsayer, or an
augur, or a *sorcerer*,

³Sorcerer practices² or ³Divination and Magic² From Holmanıs Bible Dictionary:

An attempt to contact supernatural powers to determine answers to questions
hidden to humans and usually involving the future.

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Jesus here is simply wrong, a man can serve several masters and hate all of
them or love all of them.

Even though this is just an analogy, an analogy is suppose to draw a parallel
from something that makes sense.

(Mat 6:24 NRSV) ³No one can serve two masters; for a slave will either hate
the one and love the other, or be devoted to the one and despise the other. ...

(Mat 6:24 NRSV) ... You cannot serve God and wealth.

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The Apostle Peter (like the author of Matthew does many times) takes an Old
Testament verse out of itıs context to try to make it seem as though it was
forecasting a future event.

Some observers see people acting funny, speaking in tongues that they are not
capable of (this feat is never duplicated in modern day Assembly of God
churches) during their ³filling of the Holy Spirit² at the ³Pentecost².

They then conclude they are all drunk.

Peter tells them that they arenıt drunk, but they are filled with the Holy
Spirit, that is why they are acting strange.

(Acts 2:15-16 NRSV) Indeed, these are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only
nine oıclock in the morning. No, this is what was spoken through the prophet
Joel:  

(Peter then goes on to quote the prophet Joel, claiming that this filling of the
spirit means they are in the ³last days² before the coming of the ³great day of
the Lord².  

A) The prophet Joel was making another vague prediction about how Judah and
Israel are going to get back together and of a great war that the Jews would
have with many nations of which only they will survive (this is Joelıs ³Lordıs
great and glorious day²). Of course this prophecy failed because it never
happened. (Joel 2:28 - 3:21)

B) Peter was wrong as this has nothing to do with the Pentecost or Jesus.

C) Peter takes this prediction and turns it into a validation that they were in
the last days before Jesus was to come back which was his ³Lordıs great and
glorious day² (because it mentions a ³filling of a spirit² and ³prophesying².

D) It was natural for Peter and the Apostle Paul in his letters to assume this
because Jesus himself said he would come back before all of the disciples had
died. (Mat 16:28)

E) Jesus never came back, not then, and not in the almost 2000 years since, so
Peter was wrong about them being in the ³last days².

(Acts 2:17 NRSV) ŒIn the last days it will be, God declares, that I will pour
out my Spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall ...

(Acts 2:19-20 NRSV) And I will show portents in the heaven above and signs on
the earth below, blood, and fire, and smoky mist.

The sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the coming
of the Lordıs great and glorious day.
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Jesus doesn't seem to think he was God in Synoptic Gospels 

Jesus seems to think that works are important 

Indications that Moses wasn't a Bible author 

New Testament says not to bother with back sliders 

Problems with God's omnipotence - God rests 

Problems with God's omnipotence - God fails 

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Here is an indication that Jesus did not consider himself to be God (at least
not according to the Synoptic Gospels).. 

(Mark 10:17-18 NRSV) As he was setting out on a journey, a man ran up and
knelt before him, and asked him, "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit
eternal life?" 

Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. 

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This verse contradicts the idea of "grace". Jesus says here you have to do
good works to get to Heaven. 

(Context: Jesus is speaking) 

(John 5:28-29 NRSV) Do not be astonished at this; for the hour is coming when
all who are in their graves will hear his voice 

and will come out--those who have *done good*, to the resurrection of life,
and those who have *done evil*, to the resurrection of condemnation. 

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Some scriptures that indicate that Moses did not write any of the bible
(provided he even existed). 

(Num 12:3 NRSV) Now the man Moses was very humble, more so than anyone else
on the face of the earth. 

(This is of course not the sort of thing you would expect the humblest man on
earth to write about himself) 

(And here Moses writes about how he died) 

(Deu 34:5 NRSV) Then Moses, the servant of the LORD, died there in the land of
Moab, at the Lord's command. 
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The bible clearly says that effort expended toward "back slidden" people is a
waiste of time.

(Heb 6:4-6 NRSV) For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who
have once been enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared
in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the
powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, since on their own they
are crucifying again the Son of God and are holding him up to contempt. 
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Here God "rests" and God "walks". This of course are things you wouldn't expect
an omnipotent, omnipresent being to have to do. 

(Gen 2:2 NRSV) And on the seventh day God finished the work that he had done,
and *he rested* on the seventh day from all the work that he had done. 

(note that although apologetics will try to say he just "ceased", that is not
what this is saying, it is saying that he had to rest for a day from his work
as a being that was tired) 

(Exo 31:17 NRSV) It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that
in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he *rested*,
and was *refreshed*." 

(Gen 3:8 NRSV) They heard the sound of the LORD God *walking* in the garden at
the time of the evening breeze, and the man and his wife hid themselves from
the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 
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This verse goes against the doctrine that God is omnipotent. God was "with
Judah" but they could not drive out the plain's people because they had
chariots of iron. 

(Judg 1:19 NRSV) The LORD was with Judah, and he took possession of the hill
country, but could not drive out the inhabitants of the plain, because they
had chariots of iron. 

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